Danielle Smith’s Debate Knockout
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In this week's election roundup, we discuss the United Conservative Party's new policy, the Compassion Intervention Act, which would force addicts who are a danger to themselves or to others into some type of recovery. This is a huge policy from the government and shows that they are taking the addictions crisis seriously, but of course, it is not without controversy.
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hey everyone welcome back to the alberta roundup we are back for week three of election watch
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i am once again joined by chris sims that's the alberta director of the canadian taxpayers
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federation erica broody's a senior advisor on the united conservative party campaign
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and evan benzes he's a senior campaign strategist with crestview strategies and the ucp's former of
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director of communications we head to them now to discuss this week on the alberta election campaign
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so one of the first things that i wanted to talk to you all about this week is the compassionate
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intervention act danielle smith kicked off the campaign on monday with this huge announcement
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in my opinion it is one of the biggest policies the party has announced so far
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basically what it would do is it would force addicts who are a danger to themselves or to others
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into some type of recovery now we know that the government was looking at this because that was
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leaked by a tip request from the globe and mail this is a huge policy from the government it shows that
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they are really taking the addictions crisis seriously but of course it is not without
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controversy erica can you tell me a little bit about what the reception to this policy has been
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yeah well i definitely think you're right it was a very moving um announcement on monday definitely
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you know there was a lot of stakeholders there from the community people that are uh you know
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are struggling with addiction speaking out in support of this um so i do think you know it creates a
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position where the ndp is in quite a different contrast they're not taking a compassionate approach
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for um addicts and getting them off the street so everyone can can feel safe um you know i think it
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landed very well i think people were receptive um to this this movement because public safety is such
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a critical thing that everyone is facing right now and in order to do that we need to get to the root
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cause which is is dealing with those the addiction and mental health crisis erica you're absolutely
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right the premier was surrounded by former addicts and families that have been touched by addiction
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and there were some very moving testimonies on monday i want to play one of those clips for you
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right now this is from a woman named abby plessa she said she was addicted to drugs beginning at age 12
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and if her family had not received a court order to force her into recovery she believes she was
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dead so we're going to play that for you now i did start with the use of marijuana at 12 years old
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and quickly progressed to using methamphetamines and opioids at the age of 14. i was lost alone and
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hopeless i experienced multiple overdoses suicide attempts trips to the police station and psych ward
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these visits were short and provided only a temporary solution i had hit i had hit rock bottom and i
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didn't know how to get back up i truly believed i wasn't going to make it past 16 years of age
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i hated anyone or anything that stood between myself and my drug use and i was a danger to myself
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and others living in a world of darkness without a way out then something miraculous happened
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at the age of 16 my family or my family finally experienced enough pain and had the courage to
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step into my addiction and get a court order that placed me into detox before entering a long-term
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treatment program my parents were scared for my life and had no other choice i made multiple stops in
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the road before this and this final intervention saved my life it allowed them to show me the love and
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support i needed to overcome my addiction and gave both them and myself the tools and the support to
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recover i'm proud to say that i'm now 19 years old with three years of sobriety attending school
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and working towards a degree in nursing i have a great relationship with my family and friends and
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i can now live life on life's terms without the use of drugs and alcohol when this policy was first
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announced we know that ndp leader rachel notley was not a fan of it at the time she said it was too
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punitive i had the opportunity to ask her on monday how she felt about it and she didn't use
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quite as strong of language she simply said she didn't think it would work here's what that sounded
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like hi rachel manuel with true north just ahead of this announcement daniel smith announced that a
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re-elected ucp government would try to pass the compassionate intervention act which essentially
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force drug addicts into treatment what is your response to this well you know let me start by
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saying i think we can agree that there needs to be a tremendous amount of work focus and effort
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from the provincial government whoever it is in terms of addressing this issue because it's it's so
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critical and so damaging across so many communities and of course most importantly to so many people
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unfortunately as with the announcement they made last week this was another example of daniel smith making
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an announcement without first talking with the experts and the people on the front line who are
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confronting this problem and as a result uh she doesn't have the support of those folks and the idea
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doesn't have the support of those folks and and it's another reason why uh we can't really trust her
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leadership uh i think the the uh plan that they have uh to invest in more uh recovery is excellent i think the plan
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they have to eliminate the accommodation fee is excellent uh but i think that unfortunately the
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the rest of it and the failure to to take a more comprehensive approach um is going to lead to a
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a failure to succeed i'm afraid and and that is coming from folks on the front line who we've been
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engaging with uh quite extensively for some time on this issue evan i want to go to you next with the
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polls being so close do you think this is a policy that will resonate with moderates in calgary that
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are feeling unsafe given the amount of violent criminal activity we're seeing in the city right
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now especially along the transit lines yeah it uh you know there's a pretty obvious contrast that
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united conservatives have when it comes to addictions treatment versus the ndp uh during their term
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they focus very heavily on so-called safe supply which certainly uh makes sure that the drugs that
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folks are using um aren't as dangerous but it does nothing to help them in their long-term recovery
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and so i i think united conservatives and danielle smith should be applauded they're actually trying
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to save people's lives making sure that they have pathways to recovery and some folks simply just
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no longer have the capacity to help themselves and so i think this policy is worth trying and it's
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it's it's a serious issue it's one that obviously has something to do with safety but i think more
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importantly just has to do with um seeing each individual in society as someone of value and
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and worth uh saving and rehabilitating so i think it was a great announcement i think it's something
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that albertans should be proud of and uh it shouldn't be non-partisan i think the ndp should
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also take a serious look at the ucp approach absolutely just when we talk about safe supply i just
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want to mention for my viewers that rachel notley was also asked about that at a press conference on
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monday and she's doing her best to distance herself from her past comments supporting safe supply
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saying that an ndp government isn't really interested in that she's actually been fairly
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supportive of what the ucp government has done on the addictions file such as removing the 40 a day
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fee for care she's touted those as being good policies but she did say you know she's not really
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in agreement with this forced treatment she doesn't think it's going to work so whether she's actually
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changed her stance on that or if she's just trying to appeal to moderates is definitely something that you
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the viewer can ask yourself and i think you can probably figure out the answer the next thing
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that i want to move to now is the polling numbers so last weekend as we were headed into the weekend
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some polling numbers came out that had some of the conservatives i talked to a little bit nervous
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they were showing a consistent upwards trend for the alberta ndp and conservatives were starting to
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wonder if they had something to worry about on the ground then come monday a new poll was leaked
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from janet brown she is the most respected pollster in alberta because she gets it right so often
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and often her takes are a lot different than everyone else's she's typically a bit of an
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outlier but she has a different method one that reaches more traditional conservative voters
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for example she makes a really big effort to reach people on landlines and she'll call repeatedly
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throughout the day to make sure she can get a hold of a wide variety of people so when that poll was
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released on monday it actually showed 56 seats for the ucp compared to the ndp's 31 seats and most notably
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perhaps it showed that the ucp had 51 support in in battleground calgary compared to the ndp's 39
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so evan i'm going to go to you most of the other polls have been showing you know a little bit up for
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the ucp a little bit down for the ndp vice versa this was definitely an outlier how are things looking
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for the ucp right now yeah you know i it really comes down to ground game now but i think the ucp should
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feel optimistic about uh some of the trend lines that we've seen him pulling uh there's a couple
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of posters that i watch i think have a lot of credibility one was the janet brown one that you
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you mentioned on the lead in here but also i saw ipsos came up this week and showed that there is a
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lead for the ucp in calgary that rachel notley's numbers aren't as hot as the ndp campaign seems
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to want to suggest so i think there's a couple of really good fundamentals and trend lines for the
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ucp now there's we're in the final stretch here i think uh you know i'm sure we'll talk about in a
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bit but the the debate this week i think the ndp kind of missed their window to uh dislodge any ucp
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voters from the daniel smith camp and to create any kind of wave of undecideds in their direction so
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for both teams now i think ucp have some reason to be confident but they really got to hustle on
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their ground game advanced polls open next week and that will be the focus and i i really believe if
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the ucp can get their uh vote motivated and to turn out that they'll have a good night on election
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and chris you're based down in lethbridge but of course you talk to people from all over the
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province what are you hearing are you noticing any trends in the polling right now so polling to me
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is kind of wizard magic i know pollsters and the way they're actually able to do this is kind of
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mind-boggling to me however uh we talk to our supporters all the time within the taxpayers federation
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and we talk to them about really substantive stuff like balancing the budget cutting taxes
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making life more affordable and what we're hearing back from our supporters is that same message and
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so whichever party doesn't matter which penny your color is you know orange blue polka dots if they
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focus on those issues of affordability of lower taxes and balanced budgets i think that that will
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so the next thing i wanted to talk about with you guys is the ethics commissioner report which
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dropped on thursday just ahead of the debate now there's really two parts to this report the one part
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of the report is that the ethics commissioner found no evidence of emails from the premier's office
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two crown prosecutors pressuring them about coots blockade or covet 19 prosecutions that story first
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broke in january in which cbc news relied on anonymous sources to say the emails existed after
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they first published the story they then went back and added a note saying that cbc hadn't seen the
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emails in question so in many regards this report really absolved danielle smith of those claims of those
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emails existing cbc is the only one to allegedly have that story and these emails no one's been able to
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find them the non-partisan civil service also conducted a review and did not uncover the email
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so that was definitely some good news for danielle smith however i noticed that in the legacy media
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reports of the ethics commissioner they totally bypassed that major omission and seemed to focus
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on the negative aspects of the report which was that danielle smith was also found guilty of breaching
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the ethics act because she had talked to justice to her justice minister that's tyler shandro about
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whether it was still in the public interest to pursue cases relating to covet 19 we know that
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danielle smith did not approve of the government overreach that we saw during the covet 19 pandemic
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that is something she campaigned on during the united conservative party leadership race
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of course the big question here is is this a story that's going to resonate with voters
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i think if breaches of ethics law did resonate with voters prime minister justin tudot probably
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would no longer be prime minister but erica you're in the war room what's your take on this
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story do you think it's going to impact voters and were you guys surprised that the report dropped on thursday
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yeah i mean i think it's it's unique and kind of odd um that it would have landed yesterday um i'm
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really glad we're actually having this conversation because you did mention snc lavalon um and other
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reporters um you know have been talking and comparing the two which is i think absurd you know snc lavalon was
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continuous efforts by the prime minister's office and pressure on the justice minister um and to which they
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admitted in this case the justice minister tyler shandro said no like as soon as he said that this
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is not appropriate that that was the end of it where um it's very different i think it's apples and
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oranges and i don't think it's fair to to compare these two um you know i do think to some degree this
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is very inside baseball um the ndp were probably celebrating do i think that there is a potential
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impact absolutely but do i think it's significant um no i don't think it's going to shift supporters
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um that are already away there might be you know a few undecideds but when people to chris's point go
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to the ballot uh box on on you know go to cast their ballot on may 29th it is going to be at the
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end of the day comparison of records of ndp versus um ucp and on those affordability the economy public
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safety questions and you know if you're if you're comparing that between notley and smith um i don't
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think it's going to to be the tsn turning point as i've been calling it or what the ndp is trying to
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make of it yeah i think you're exactly right i think this election really is a ballot box question
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about which leader do voters trust more do they trust danielle smith despite the ndp's efforts to
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try to paint her as someone who's crazy and someone who's untrustworthy or are they willing to give the
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alberta ndp a second chance even though most people who lived in alberta during that period really were
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not fond of that government evan i want to go to you next so we know that danielle smith is really
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trying to highlight the positive parts of this report which is that which was that the ethics commissioner
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didn't find evidence of those emails that was arguably the bigger concern here that she was
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directly interfering with crown prosecutors we found no evidence of that do you think she's been
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successful in changing the channel and highlighting the positive parts of the report or do you think
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that legacy media's efforts to really just ignore that altogether has kind of overshadowed the premier's
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efforts yeah i think uh i mean campaigns are weird one of the advantages was that this happened on
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debate day as well and so some of the story kind of got weaved into debate coverage which i think was
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fairly favorable for what the ucp's aims were in yesterday's coverage i i think she's been
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consistent like if folks heard or saw her clips she got her message out um she recognizes that there
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are better ways to talk with the justice minister the and she looks forward to work working with the
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ethics commissioner on on how that should look but uh you know i i think erica's right the the huge uh
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concern and the one that caused a lot of attention uh in the fall and spring legislative sessions was
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this accusation around being in contact with crown prosecutors and there's still absolutely no tangible
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evidence that this was the case and uh i think uh premier smith and the ucp team uh should be taking
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some time to walk people through that because that was where everyone was putting all their bluster and
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energy and there's still nothing to show for it so we've touched a little bit on the debate now i think
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that would be an important topic for us to go over a little bit i'm under the impression that quite a few
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albertans actually tuned into thursday night's debate a global ipsos poll that i reported on earlier
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this week said that about half of albertans were planning to tune in i don't know if the number was quite
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that high but some ucp volunteers that i've spoken with said that they were door knocking in calgary
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and every one of three houses that they went to were watching the debate during the hours that it
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was playing so that's pretty significant we know that danielle smith needed to deliver during that
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debate erica i'm gonna go to you first what's your take on the debate did danielle smith get her
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message across and was there a clear victor yeah i mean i think rachel notley is a strong debater and
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she she did hold her own to to some degree but i do think danielle smith took it i was in the war
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room and we were all smiling uh at the end of of this debate you know there is a huge population of
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undecided a little bit higher one-fifth of the population so i do think that this debate was
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important um for those undecideds and it did really secure the base i mean i think danielle smith
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nailed a lot of it some of her points on health care and education uh you know items that typically
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the ndp should kind of dominate um pushback um you know rachel notley was was on the on
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her heels for a lot of the debates so i do think that danielle smith drove her message she showed
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too in contrast to the rachel notley attack style we saw um she showed premiership she showed states
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woman um she came off very confident and confident and i think that that's a big thing that people want
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to see in who they're going to vote for for the next premier and she she called the the ndp out on
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their disastrous record um which is a good reminder for for albertans too as they head to the polls
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yeah of course danielle smith and rachel notley both have so much experience public speaking but
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i felt that rachel notley was a bit caught off guard she seemed a little bit rattled when she started
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she had to kind of check her notes repeatedly in her introduction remarks she did seem to kind of
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catch up a little bit later but she was on the back foot and i felt like she was responding to a
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lot of what the premier was laying down she did have one attack she tried to bring up danielle
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smith's floor crossing days we're going to play that for you now uh yes well i mean i think the
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fundamental problem here is that albertans are deeply concerned at the notion of a danielle smith
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led government reforming health care in any way shape or form she claims she's guaranteed that nobody
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will ever pay for a doctor but you know miss smith uh i was with you in the legislature in 2014
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you stood up and you guaranteed you would never cross the floor three weeks later you crossed the
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floor your understanding of the word guarantee is very different than that of most albertans
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and most people are deeply deeply troubled at the prospect of you reforming health care based on your
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15 year record of advocating to make people pay out of pocket chris this was just so funny to me
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because i doubt that people who would vote for the ndp really care about daniel smith's floor
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crossing days in fact most of the people who are really upset about the floor crossing were people
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that were able to forgive danielle smith after years of listening to her on the radio and then
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turned out to vote for her in the ucp leadership race so i'm not sure that conversation is super
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that's a great question so i do still hear it mentioned uh but it's in the same context that
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you just raised it's like oh well you know have we forgiven her or not and those typically how do i
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put this they're typically not your ndp voter who are talking about that it's usually those who would
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be assumed to be a right of center or uh ucp style voter and so i found it interesting that
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ms notley tried to bring that up what i found super weird just as somebody who's observed politics my
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entire life and moved here from british columbia is that pre notley was a former premier and it was
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strange not to hear that well when i was in the job i did this this this and this if you're applying for
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a job again you'd usually be like hey boss these are the things that i achieved while on the job
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and i did so well you should hire me again it was very interesting to not hear that kind of language
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coming from ms notley and again i was really happy from a taxpayer's perspective to hear the issues of
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balanced budgets fuel taxes carbon taxes all of those big meat and potato affordability issues
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talked about at length there wasn't a lot of wasn't a lot of interruption wasn't a lot of
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crosstalk they didn't waste a lot of time i actually wished it was about half an hour longer
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yeah i think you raise a really good point i think it could have been a little bit longer especially
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because there was so many commercial breaks and you raise a point that we had a we had a live show
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over at true north discussing the debate we discussed extensively rachel notley doesn't seem
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interested in running on her record as premier she seems to be sort of appealing to the moderates
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right now and you're right she didn't bring up her record as premier because i think it
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was a very unpopular time for the ndp in the party's history now one of the other things we
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discussed in our pre-show was who was going to go for the jugular first and i said it would be
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pretty hard for rachel notley not to go for the jugular because their whole campaign has been
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really negative campaigning strategies so how can you all of a sudden switch when your talking points
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are basically based on a lot of lies or at least regurgitating things that daniel smith discussed
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in her podcast at some point but not policy she's actually put forward in her position as an elected
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official that being said daniel smith did have one little zinger when rachel notley accused her
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of breathing ethics law the premier responded well at least one of my ndp one of my mlas didn't hack
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the vaccine portal system we're going to play that one for you now the other thing i would say i've
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been in office since 2008 i have never actually breached the conflict of interest legislation
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miss smith cannot say the same well i guess i guess you're you did have an mla who hacked our
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health care system i can i can tell you do you really want to talk about our candidates and our
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mlas seriously i do not think you're going to win that one that is not one you want to do i have to
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tell you when i'm putting together our affordability payments to have to ask whether it was going to be
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hack proof from the ndp that's not something that ms notley should be very proud of what i all will also
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say is that when she came out with her costing document it was almost immediately discredited because
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todd hirsch said he hadn't done the analysis on what kind of impact it would have on chasing away
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investment others did trevor toome did jack mince did there are several business reporters who did
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the alberta chamber of commerce did and what they have said is that would create instability and the
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instability would chase additional uh investment out it would chase jobs out and we would go back
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and have a rerun of what we did in the period of time that ms notley doesn't want to talk about which
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was when she was premier evan what did you make of this little exchange this to me was one of the
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funniest moments of the debates and i think it really appealed to danielle's supporters yeah a
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hundred percent listen um one of the things that doesn't get the amount of media coverage uh that
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it deserves is the ndp bench is incredibly weak and they have no shortage of controversies or issues i
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know the media like to focus on on the ucp ucp side um but yeah uh thomas dang uh with is trying to
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get involved uh hack whatever you call the ethical hacking of the health system with the former
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premier's uh data they've got countless examples of when she was in charge of errors with her caucus
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i mean for goodness sakes they have four candidates right now who seem to be promoting or avowed
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communists uh an ideology that killed hundreds of millions in the last uh century so they have some
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issues on their bench and i think daniel smith and ucp are definitely wise to highlight it
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okay well i think that's a great place to leave it for today thank you so much for joining me this
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week and we'll see you guys all next week okay everyone and before we head out i'm just going to
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do a quick comment roundup from last week's episode in which we discuss danielle smith missing out on some
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of the campaign to fight fires and rachel notley's negative campaigning cheryl roy says daniel smith
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is too much a lady to use the slandering insults that notley throws at danielle smith what do you
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guys think about that why do you think daniel smith hasn't returned the alberta ndps negative
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campaigning barking lizard said please keep up your good work and expand your reach life is better when
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derek boychuck said maybe send a request over to the ndp group asking for a list of questions
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considered acceptable to be asked or a list of answers that no questions have been asked yet yes i think
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that you are exactly right i think that's what they want me to do they want me to get my questions
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approved in advance it's probably why they only really want mainstream media reporters asking
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them questions because they all kind of ask the same thing and their questions are usually pretty
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irrelevant to the ongoing election campaign usually it just has something to do with the latest hit
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piece on danielle smith or some other candidate from comments they made a bajillion years ago okay guys
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