The Alberta Roundup with Isaac Lamoureux - May 13, 2023


Smith fights fires while Notley goes negative


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21 minutes

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185.16827

Word Count

4,055

Sentence Count

218

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

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Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey everyone, welcome back to the Alberta Roundup.
00:00:16.480 I'm your host, Rachel Emanuel.
00:00:18.060 We are back for week two of Election Watch.
00:00:20.880 That's a special edition of the Alberta Roundup in which we focus solely on the Alberta election
00:00:26.020 campaign.
00:00:26.600 This week, I am once again joined by Evan Menzies.
00:00:30.100 He's a political campaign strategist at Crestview Strategies, and he's also the former director
00:00:35.640 of communications for the United Conservative Party.
00:00:38.180 We're also again joined by Chris Sims, the Alberta director of the Canadian Taxpayers
00:00:42.080 Federation.
00:00:42.920 And this week, a new addition to the show, we're joined by Erica Brodies, a senior advisor
00:00:46.940 on the UCP campaign.
00:00:48.560 We'll head to them now.
00:00:50.360 Hey everyone, welcome back to the show.
00:00:51.860 So last week when we started, the wildfire crisis was really just emerging.
00:00:56.600 And that kind of broke out on Saturday to the point where Danielle Smith essentially
00:01:00.380 took a step back from her campaign for about three days, really, to deal with the crisis.
00:01:05.280 We didn't get a chance to discuss it last week, but I think it's important that we discuss
00:01:08.360 it now because it is really shaping this campaign and it's changing the face of it.
00:01:12.920 Evan, I'm going to go to you first.
00:01:14.060 Do you think the wildfire crisis is helping Danielle Smith as she has a chance to present
00:01:18.640 herself as a really stable and comfortable and consistent leader?
00:01:22.220 Or do you think it's hurting her because it is removing her from the campaign trail so
00:01:25.980 much?
00:01:28.200 Yeah, I think whenever a political leader has a chance to show that they can be, you know,
00:01:34.640 statesman-like, stateswoman-like, I should say, it gives a certain glow to the politician.
00:01:42.180 In this case, I think, you know, obviously it's a huge tragedy, the amount of Albertans
00:01:46.160 who are suffering and dealing with this right now.
00:01:49.000 I think Premier Danielle Smith has shown what she's shown since she's become premier, that
00:01:53.440 she's a pragmatist, that she listens, that she's responsive, and she's ready to be put
00:01:58.020 into action when the moment calls upon her.
00:01:59.920 So I think she's handled it certainly well.
00:02:02.560 It's, yeah, you know, Eric is on the call and she can attest to this, but both the UCP
00:02:08.560 and NDP certainly didn't have in their election scripts, losing an entire week of announcements
00:02:15.480 practically and being able to control that media narrative.
00:02:18.340 So I'm interested to see how the campaign set it up here over the final two weeks, because
00:02:24.260 yeah, now there's a full week of messaging days that were lost.
00:02:28.720 And, you know, we'll see how Albertans respond ultimately.
00:02:32.580 Evan, you're bang on.
00:02:33.340 Now the leaders have lost a week of the campaign, or at least Danielle Smith did.
00:02:37.080 And I expect we're going to see that continuation.
00:02:40.160 It is heating up here in the province.
00:02:41.620 Danielle Smith described it this week actually as a heat dome.
00:02:44.760 So I suspect we're going to see an increase in the wildfires yet again.
00:02:48.180 Erica, you're in the war room.
00:02:49.800 Can you describe some of the thinking that went into how should Danielle Smith respond to
00:02:53.660 the wildfires and how much time should she spend on the fires as opposed to actually campaigning?
00:02:59.760 Yeah, so to Evan's point, you know, there is an opportunity to show the state's woman that
00:03:05.400 she is, but from a campaign perspective, you never want to politicize the horrific events
00:03:10.840 of something like a wildfire.
00:03:13.080 So from the campaign side, obviously had to pivot and remove her from campaign centric
00:03:18.880 events and let her be premier.
00:03:20.880 I think that's the biggest priority for anyone that's in government.
00:03:24.640 And, you know, she put down the partisanship sides and, you know, briefed the NDP and kept
00:03:30.340 them in the loop.
00:03:31.240 And many of the NDP or many of our candidates in those affected areas paused their campaigns.
00:03:37.160 So, you know, I think she did the right thing.
00:03:39.280 You need to focus on, you know, for your first title, which is premier over being the leader
00:03:44.400 of a party.
00:03:44.980 But now, you know, you saw it the rest of this week where once the fires were starting
00:03:49.600 to get, you know, more under control and evacuees could go back home for the most part, focusing
00:03:54.900 a little bit more on the campaign trail.
00:03:56.860 But as we all know, it's supposed to be a hot weekend again, and that could shift the campaign.
00:04:01.400 But I think, you know, to Evan's point, they've done a good job so far.
00:04:05.560 But, you know, there's a period where in the next two weeks, it's going to be critical
00:04:11.100 to do that balance of what are you going to do for your vision of Alberta and how are
00:04:15.220 you going to be premier at the same time?
00:04:18.480 So while Daniel Smith might not have politicized the fire, we all know Alberta NDP leader Rachel
00:04:23.620 Notley did in a press conference on Monday in Calgary.
00:04:27.000 Rachel Notley said Daniel Smith was insensitive.
00:04:29.680 That was an exact quote because the premier announced her state of emergency on Saturday
00:04:34.320 to some UCP supporters at a fundraiser event before announcing it to the general public in
00:04:39.340 a general press conference immediately following that fundraiser.
00:04:42.560 I had the opportunity to ask her why she thought it was fair to call the premier insensitive
00:04:46.480 while she herself was out campaigning in Calgary.
00:04:49.080 Here's what that sounded like.
00:04:51.740 Rachel Manuel, True Morph, Miss Notley, how is the premier showing insensitivity when you're
00:04:56.480 here in Calgary today hosting a campaign event and she's up in Edmonton dealing with the wildfires?
00:05:02.500 I believe that we are both continuing to work on the campaign.
00:05:06.040 Indeed, we've seen both of us do that.
00:05:09.340 And so that's what we're doing.
00:05:13.220 But in the meantime, when it comes to making announcements that impact the victims of the
00:05:20.800 wildfires, then that should be done in a political way.
00:05:24.400 So is the criticism the premier is receiving for the campaign event she attended over the
00:05:28.220 weekend or other campaign events she might choose to hold inappropriate?
00:05:31.780 Is it right for her to continue campaigning considering, as you said, we are in an election period?
00:05:36.200 My concern is only that she chose to announce the provincial state of emergency to her campaign
00:05:44.240 workers before she announced it to the victims, the tens of thousands of victims of the wildfires.
00:05:50.940 And that's all the time we have today.
00:05:52.220 Thank you so much.
00:05:52.840 Chris, I'm going to go to you first.
00:05:53.980 What do you think of Rachel Notley's decision to continue campaigning?
00:05:56.800 And do you think it was right for her to politicize the wildfires and try to make the premier look
00:06:01.580 bad?
00:06:02.440 This is always a tough call, right?
00:06:03.860 You're in the middle of a provincial campaign for all of the marbles to be able to come premier
00:06:08.220 and you have to behave as a premier should be expected to.
00:06:12.600 What's interesting is that I got a couple of calls from media outside of Alberta who kind
00:06:18.000 of have more of an overview impression and the images that they actually saw were those
00:06:23.060 images of premier Smith, Daniel Smith with Rachel Notley.
00:06:27.460 Some of those kinds of pictures that look like they're almost at like a cabinet emergency
00:06:31.700 meeting.
00:06:32.540 Those made a big impression on a lot of media from outside of Alberta.
00:06:37.080 And so those looked more stateswoman-like on both of their parts.
00:06:42.280 Communications-wise, it's always really tricky.
00:06:45.420 How closely do you provide emergency care and encouragement to people being a leader?
00:06:51.520 And how hard do you actually fight to win?
00:06:54.300 So I guess we'll have to see over the next couple of days how that plays out between these
00:06:58.900 two women.
00:06:59.560 But I must say, I got calls from individual people outside of Alberta, both of whom were
00:07:04.220 remarking on, whoa, both of those women put down the gauntlet, tools down for a little
00:07:09.220 while, and at least did this picture consultation.
00:07:12.280 So it made a big impression.
00:07:14.520 That's absolutely fair.
00:07:15.560 And, you know, it might be true that Notley's comments didn't really get that much media
00:07:18.900 attention.
00:07:19.940 Erica, I'm going to go to you next for the partisan response.
00:07:22.720 What was the reaction in the war room when Rachel Notley called Danielle Smith insensitive
00:07:27.060 after, you know, the premier had sort of reached out an olive branch and sought to include
00:07:31.220 Notley in some of those discussions around the wildfire?
00:07:33.420 Yeah, I mean, it was just like, this is not the time.
00:07:36.500 This is not appropriate.
00:07:38.300 You want to be premier and this is not premier-esque.
00:07:42.160 So, you know, you never want to, we didn't opportunity, you know, use this opportunity
00:07:47.300 to showcase that.
00:07:48.760 The campaign decided to stay above it, that we are, you know, kind of creating a divide
00:07:52.900 between government business and the politics that are happening.
00:07:57.080 But I can say, you know, I don't always love the left media, but when a media individual,
00:08:04.600 I think it was Safe Kaiser, came out and asked Rachel Notley, she couldn't even defend it,
00:08:08.860 right?
00:08:09.040 Like she held a press conference where she essentially was going up talking about nothing and she
00:08:14.840 was called out for it.
00:08:15.840 So I think that that was their misstep.
00:08:18.300 I'm always happy when the NDP make significant errors that show who they truly are.
00:08:23.360 And it was, I think, exposing Talbertans that it's just distasteful.
00:08:27.760 So Danielle Smith was finally able to return to the campaign trail in Calgary on Thursday.
00:08:34.440 Otherwise, she's pretty much been up in Edmonton dealing with the wildfire and hosting a couple
00:08:38.420 events up there.
00:08:39.620 In that very first campaign event of her back in Calgary, we had some protesters disrupt
00:08:43.760 the event.
00:08:44.340 Now, for my viewers who haven't seen that, we're going to play that clip for you now.
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00:09:01.940 Madam Premier, anything to say?
00:09:03.420 Madam Premier, no?
00:09:05.200 You got lots to say about this not so long ago.
00:09:06.960 Madam Premier, hospital for sale, anything?
00:09:08.800 Yeah, you had a whole show to talk about this.
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00:09:27.160 Certainly a little bit of a goofy protest there.
00:09:30.540 We know that the NDP actually advertised the UCP's location of that event, so it's quite
00:09:35.480 likely the protesters were able to learn of Premier Smith's location because of that
00:09:39.100 tweet.
00:09:39.940 I also asked Rachel Notley about that.
00:09:41.500 She said, you know, the UCP tweeted out their location first, but the war room has told me
00:09:45.320 that is, in fact, not the case.
00:09:47.800 At that announcement, Danielle Smith took the opportunity to announce some cost-saving
00:09:51.500 measures for seniors.
00:09:53.040 She announced a 25% reduction in medical exam for licenses and camping fees.
00:09:57.620 Interestingly, on Monday, Rachel Notley also took the opportunity to announce cost-saving
00:10:01.440 measures for seniors, including investments in home care.
00:10:05.260 Chris, we're seeing a lot of similarities in the campaign here.
00:10:07.760 A lot of focuses on cost-saving measures, tax cuts, as well as public safety.
00:10:12.640 We know both Danielle Smith and Rachel Notley have promised to increase officers on the streets
00:10:17.480 to deal with the public safety crisis that we're seeing.
00:10:19.860 Do you think that this is something that's resonating with voters, or is it kind of maybe
00:10:23.940 turning into a little bit of a boring campaign?
00:10:25.880 We here at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation like boring campaigns, because that usually
00:10:31.160 means that they're not trotting out multi-billion dollar pie-in-the-sky moonbeam ideas.
00:10:36.080 And when they're actually focusing on things like reducing fees for seniors and cutting income
00:10:40.700 taxes and making sure that we still don't have an Alberta fuel tax, we have the lowest fuel
00:10:46.720 taxes in all of Canada here, and it's because we don't have a provincial fuel tax.
00:10:51.320 Our folks, our supporters, want to see lower taxes, less waste, and accountable
00:10:55.660 government.
00:10:56.580 And if the parties are promising those things, and it's making for more of a boring campaign,
00:11:01.020 our folks are really happy with that.
00:11:04.320 Evan, I'm going to go to you next.
00:11:05.780 Are you surprised to see how much similarities there's been in the campaign so far?
00:11:10.760 I'm not too surprised.
00:11:12.000 The NDP's goal is campaign is pretty simple.
00:11:15.200 They want to win Calgary, and they're going to drift closer to the centre, centre-right, and
00:11:20.260 they've been pretty clear about making that appeal.
00:11:23.320 They see they've been mimicking and copycatting a lot of UCP policies from the budget.
00:11:30.380 They've been trying to shield message against claims that they will raise taxes.
00:11:39.260 And they say they won't.
00:11:40.020 I remember last election and before they became government in 2015, when the carbon tax came
00:11:45.460 after the election, despite having no mandate to do so.
00:11:48.000 Nevertheless, I'm not surprised to see it.
00:11:50.840 You know, I think for Daniel Smith and the UCP team to have a more boring day-to-day election
00:11:58.200 process is to their advantage.
00:12:00.160 And if the NDP can't get extra steam, extra controversy, whatever else, they, quite frankly,
00:12:08.140 in my view, have a bit of a ceiling on their vote count in Calgary right now.
00:12:10.980 So they have to scratch and claw for everything.
00:12:13.200 For the UCP, their challenge over the next couple of weeks needs to be, while it's boring,
00:12:17.720 they also have to figure out a way to get their voters excited to get out and vote at
00:12:22.560 advanced polls on election day.
00:12:23.780 So they, you know, can go both ways when you're running a boring campaign process, but yeah,
00:12:29.740 they need to figure out a way to remind their voters that a NDP term is something that they
00:12:34.960 will not enjoy if Rachel Notley is premier on May 20th.
00:12:40.200 Another big story that broke this week that I actually don't think got very much attention
00:12:44.740 in the mainstream media whatsoever was the UCP released two letters they sent to Elections
00:12:50.240 Alberta requesting investigations into NDP-affiliated unions.
00:12:55.040 They are concerned that these unions are breaking elections law.
00:12:58.720 Erica's here.
00:12:59.300 You can break down the story for us.
00:13:00.800 What exactly is going on here?
00:13:02.200 And have you received a response from Elections Alberta yet?
00:13:05.720 Yeah, so there hasn't been a response that I'm aware of.
00:13:09.760 I think we'll be very public in confirming that an investigation, because we think it's
00:13:14.440 quite and quite needed during this election campaign, is some of the major big unions,
00:13:20.240 a lot that Rachel Notley, you know, directly reports to, have been violating, not releasing
00:13:26.100 their donor list.
00:13:26.920 So there's no transparency.
00:13:28.720 So we're calling on Elections Alberta to make sure that the voters are aware of exactly who's
00:13:34.000 backing the NDP and, you know, that they're following the rules.
00:13:38.700 So, you know, it started AFL is a big one.
00:13:43.460 You know, the QP Alberta chapter we've now seen in the second letter to your point was
00:13:48.260 about the Alberta Teachers Association.
00:13:49.860 So the ATA, these are people that, and our leader, Danielle Smith, has talked about it
00:13:55.220 a lot, is they're on the provincial executive.
00:13:57.960 So, you know, you say, well, the NDP always has unions on their side.
00:14:02.240 Well, this is actually, like, in their decision-making process as a party.
00:14:06.900 So it's completely unfair that they're not being looked into.
00:14:11.420 And so we've, that's exactly the purpose of the letter is to ask Elections Alberta to
00:14:17.780 promptly look into this and properly investigate.
00:14:20.740 We still have a couple of minutes left here.
00:14:24.380 So one last thing I wanted to ask you guys something about is something I'm hearing a
00:14:27.580 lot about from voters right now is the amount of mud slinging going on in this campaign.
00:14:32.800 To be specific, a lot of voters are finding that the Alberta NDP are throwing anything
00:14:36.860 they can at Danielle Smith and hoping something will stick.
00:14:39.920 We've all seen the videos.
00:14:41.000 They are combing through all of the premier's old podcast appearances, trying to, you know,
00:14:45.980 get her out of context, saying something a little bit weird, removing context of her
00:14:50.220 discussions to make her look silly or weird, or to try and argue that she is going to say
00:14:54.700 privatize healthcare or make you pay for your family doctor.
00:14:58.260 I don't believe we've seen this really coming from the UCP towards the NDP.
00:15:02.040 Certainly a lot of us in independent media have been pointing out some of these stories
00:15:05.700 of the Alberta NDP and some of their candidates also having a bit of a questionable history,
00:15:10.660 but we're not seeing that same level of mud slinging from the premier towards Rachel
00:15:14.600 Notley.
00:15:15.420 Erica, is this something that's intentional?
00:15:17.040 Are you guys purposely focusing on positive campaigning?
00:15:20.320 Some say the bubbles in an Aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.
00:15:25.000 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light.
00:15:28.660 Rich, creamy, chocolatey Aero truffle.
00:15:31.500 Feel the Aero bubbles melt.
00:15:33.540 It's mind bubbling.
00:15:35.340 Yeah, I mean, call it boring, but this is about being government and about running the province
00:15:40.780 and talking about things that matter to people, which is the economy, affordability,
00:15:46.260 you know, creating opportunities for, you know, for access to healthcare as well as feeling safe.
00:15:52.260 Those are the things that we're going to talk about as a United Conservative Party,
00:15:55.220 about creating the best lives and livelihood environment that we can in our province.
00:15:59.260 And if they want to get dirty because they don't have a plan, let them, right?
00:16:03.860 I think that media has done a good job of exposing some of their extreme views.
00:16:09.140 And we'll continue to take, you know, the high road to show people that we are the best to manage the economy,
00:16:15.400 create opportunity, and also just make sure our fiscal house is in order.
00:16:19.260 Evan, you're our campaign expert.
00:16:21.160 What do you think about this?
00:16:21.940 Do you think it's a missed opportunity for the UCP to not throw back some of that questionable history
00:16:26.660 that we're seeing in some of the Alberta candidates?
00:16:28.340 Or do you think that this is the better route for them?
00:16:31.300 Yeah, I think for the UCP, their job over the next two weeks, again, I referenced it earlier,
00:16:37.460 but I do think there is a requirement to remind their voters and folks who are on the fence either way
00:16:45.480 that Alberta simply can't afford to go back to an NDP government.
00:16:50.900 There's obviously lots of candidate stories that we can go back and forth with,
00:16:54.980 but on those macro issues on economy and affordability,
00:16:58.320 the NDP mandate in 2015 to 2019 was not a good period for Alberta.
00:17:03.980 We saw billions of lost economic investment, increased red tape.
00:17:07.480 The health care system performed quite poorly.
00:17:10.780 Albertans given a bit of an edge on the health care file,
00:17:13.160 but quite frankly, the UCP term has been much stronger on health care.
00:17:17.040 And so I think it's important for the UCP to remind people about that bad record.
00:17:22.580 I wouldn't call that mudslinging.
00:17:23.780 That's just basic political communication.
00:17:26.220 So I think they have to really lean into that over the next couple of weeks.
00:17:29.480 There will be some shine.
00:17:31.000 I don't think the premier has to weigh in.
00:17:33.520 She is the leader and she's creating a nice sort of glow around her of not getting into the mud.
00:17:40.000 Rachel Notley and the NDP have not hesitated to jump in the mud.
00:17:43.160 And I think a lot of Albertans recognize and see that.
00:17:46.080 They haven't hesitated in spending a significant amount of ad revenue or ad spending attacking UCP.
00:17:54.380 And that can be effective, but it also can leave a bit of a bad taste in voters' mouths.
00:17:59.320 So that's what I'll be watching over the next couple of weeks.
00:18:02.180 Okay, guys, that's all we have time for today.
00:18:06.060 Thank you so much for joining the show today and we'll see you all next week.
00:18:09.540 Okay, guys, and before I ended the show, I just wanted to take a minute to do my weekly comment roundup.
00:18:14.520 I know we missed it last week, but I really enjoy doing this.
00:18:17.600 You guys know that I read through all your comments underneath my show and I love to hear what you think about it.
00:18:22.040 And since we're doing something new, I am especially curious to hear what the input is.
00:18:25.580 So I'm going to do that right now.
00:18:27.380 YouTube user Biddy Diddab said, great clarification from a couple of great guests.
00:18:31.800 I can't imagine that a thinking population would ever consider Notley for Premier anymore than any Canadian would vote for Trudeau.
00:18:39.660 Glad to know that you're enjoying the guests.
00:18:41.800 User Robert Carlyle said, why are they not talking about the NDP taking free speech away from Albertans like Bill C-11?
00:18:49.740 Robert, that's a really great question.
00:18:51.140 And something that I also want to note to you guys is that I'm having a really hard time getting access to Alberta NDP events.
00:18:56.940 They won't send their campaign events to True North.
00:18:59.580 We have to get them from somebody else.
00:19:01.160 And sometimes they don't even let me ask a question at the event.
00:19:03.840 In fact, in that very first clip at the beginning of the show, if you're wondering why I'm yelling,
00:19:08.700 it's because the NDP communication staffer would not hand me the mic to ask a question.
00:19:12.960 After they got through all the legacy media journalists,
00:19:15.500 they decided to turn to the phones and not take any more questions from the room,
00:19:19.420 even though it was just me and a Western Standard reporter left.
00:19:22.960 Huh, very interesting.
00:19:24.400 So anyways, I just decided to yell out my question.
00:19:27.400 And luckily the NDP heard it and Rachel Notley actually answered it.
00:19:31.520 At another campaign event later in the week, they did hand me the mic to ask a question.
00:19:35.700 So hopefully moving forward, they'll have a bit of a better policy.
00:19:39.080 But at that other second campaign event,
00:19:40.620 they didn't allow Western Standard or Rebel News to ask their questions.
00:19:43.660 So I'm not entirely sure what the policy is.
00:19:46.700 And it does leave me concerned that what would happen under an Alberta NDP government
00:19:50.780 would conservative media outlets and independent media outlets be able to get any questions in?
00:19:55.600 It certainly doesn't seem that way.
00:19:58.060 However, I think the reason the UCP aren't campaigning on this is because
00:20:01.000 they're really looking to appeal to moderates within the Calgary and Edmonton area
00:20:05.200 and some swing ridings there.
00:20:06.960 And I don't know if the topic of free speech is something that really resonates with moderate voters.
00:20:11.080 That's just my take.
00:20:12.080 And finally, one last comment here.
00:20:14.180 Canadian Starman said,
00:20:15.320 Rachel Emanuel, you've got what it takes to be a great journalist.
00:20:18.160 Keep up the good work.
00:20:19.620 I genuinely appreciated this compliment so much.
00:20:22.020 It was such a nice thing to say.
00:20:23.500 I take a lot of heat online for being a conservative woman in politics,
00:20:27.220 as I'm sure you guys can easily believe.
00:20:29.320 People are very disgusting on the internet,
00:20:31.200 especially when they're hidden behind an anonymous account.
00:20:33.780 So I really appreciated this generous compliment.
00:20:36.100 Thank you so much.
00:20:37.040 Okay, guys, that's all I have time for today.
00:20:38.940 Before I let you go, I just wanted to let you know that if you're interested in seeing more of my coverage of the Alberta election campaign,
00:20:45.440 I would recommend that you follow me on Twitter.
00:20:47.380 I am hot on the campaign trail right now, and I am posting so many videos and articles of what I am hearing and seeing.
00:20:53.960 So you can head over to Emanuel underscore Rach to find me and to see all my content.
00:20:59.620 As well, if you're interested, you can also listen to the Daily Brief.
00:21:02.700 That's True Norse Morning Podcast, of which I am currently the host.
00:21:06.060 And we certainly spend a lot of time discussing the Alberta election campaign.
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