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The Alberta Roundup with Isaac Lamoureux
- April 25, 2024
‘This is not justice’ — member of Coutts 3 responds
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Hey everyone, welcome back to the Alberta Roundup. I'm your host Rachel Emanuel. Today
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I am joined by one of the Coots three. Alex Van Herc last week Wednesday was found guilty
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of mischief over $5,000 for his role in the Coots border blockade. He joins us now. Nice
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to see you, Alex. Good afternoon. Nice to meet you, Rachel, and happy to be on here with
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you. So as I mentioned, this case has been ongoing for a while. We got the results of
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that. A jury of peers down in a Lethbridge court found you and your two other colleagues
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guilty for your involvement in the Coots border blockade. Just wondering, you know, right
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now, how are you feeling? So I guess to some degree, quite shocked, I guess. I mean, to
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some degree, I guess we knew kind of what was coming for the fact of what happened. I mean,
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if you look at the charge itself of the mischief charge, it's pretty broad. So anybody that
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was with that, they could have picked out of there in that lineup would have been found
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guilty. So 20,000 people participated in Coots blockade and in Coots protest. So I had to have
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picked anyone there looking at how the judge had laid out his charges to the jury, they would have
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found anyone guilty of that. You know, so it's pretty tough to fight a mischief charge, which is
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actually a scary thought because that gives them pretty wide openness. They can charge anybody and
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find them guilty under mischief under that section 430. So you and the other gentleman, you now face up to
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10 years in prison for this charge. That sentencing hasn't come. It's expected later this summer.
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Do you know when you guys might receive that sentencing?
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So our, what they call pre-trial sentencing is in July 22nd, and then I'm not 100% certain how that
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works, but I believe that's when they kind of discuss what we can, who we are, what our businesses
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are to give the forward, the information to the judge. And then I believe they're looking
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at sentencing somewhere in September. And according to our lawyers, yeah, he says it could go anywhere
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from six months up to 10 years. And yeah, we, the scary part is they want to make an example
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of us. And there's a lot of things that kind of lead me to thinking that it could be worse
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than better, is the fact that we had applied, put an application in, in our pre-trial application
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for the judge to notify the jury of what they call a verdict nullification. And it hasn't
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been used too often. I believe the last time it was used in Canada was in 1982 with Dr.
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Morgenthaler. And even though I don't really agree with what the use of it was for there
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was he was doing abortions and they found him guilty of, of, of murder, but because of
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what he was doing, they overruled it and found them not guilty. And it dates back actually
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to, I believe, 1860. It was used in England. A pastor there was, was given a sermon. And
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at that time the king had allowed only five, uh, congregants to be, uh, under that pastor.
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And he had like a full house and they found them guilty of the king's order. But the people,
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the jury said it was a, it was wrong what he did, but for the righteous reasons, they overruled
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it. And then the king actually locked up the jurors for three days without food and water
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and tell that whole city, I'm trying to remember the name of the city it was, but where they overruled
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it. And that's where that actually law came into play. So we had hoped that our judge would have
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allowed that, especially in our case, because we weren't there for ourselves. We weren't there
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for a group of people. We were there for all Albertans and all Canadians fighting a tyrannical
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government as to, and tyrannical mandates that were in place to be freed from it. So we were hoping
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that, you know, he would look at that and give that opportunity, but it didn't happen.
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So when you actually talk about why you were there, your words echo that of your lawyer,
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your lawyer, Michael Johnston, he said that you essentially were there out of a, you know,
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you wanted to protect those with whom you share a similar political ideology. And in a Globe and
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Mail report, they actually said that your name specifically quote, rarely showed up in RCMP's notes.
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So given that, especially that latter note, that your name wasn't really found too often in RCMP
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notes when they were prosecuting this case, do you think that you will receive a lesser sentence
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than the others that are being prosecuted? Or do you think that you will all receive the same sentence?
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I'm hoping, I guess, that I would get a lesser sentence, but looking at it as my involvement in
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there, I mean, I was there, I participated alongside the other ones, and they still found us guilty pretty
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quick. The decision when they gave the verdict on each one of us was just as fast on all three of us.
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And a matter of fact, when my guilty verdict came in, my lawyer, Michael Johnston, asked that the jury
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be pulled, which I've never seen before, but they individually asked every juror what their verdict
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was, and each one of them was pretty quick to respond guilty. So I'm not sure how to judge whether
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he's going to look at my involvement in it, or just of the fact of the guilty verdict.
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So as my audience likely knows by now, I had the chance to interview Alberta Premier Daniel Smith
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last weekend. That exclusive interview aired on Saturday, and I was able to ask her to respond to
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this guilty verdict, and I asked her whether or not she was surprised. She said that there is never a
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reason to block critical infrastructure, including political ideology. We're going to play that clip
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for my audience now. Taking a look at the COOTS three, I know you said this is separate from my
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branch of government, the judicial branch is separate, and you don't want to make too many
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comments on that. I'm going to respect that. However, just one question on it. The jury made
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their decision. It was a guilty verdict on Tuesday night. We obviously are expecting the sentencing
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could be up to 10 years in prison for those three men. That'll come this summer. They did make
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their decision rather quickly. Were you surprised by that? They made it about a couple hours.
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It was, what I would say is that the legislation that we have in place for Critical Infrastructure
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Act, it doesn't matter what your ideology is, or what your cause is, or what your political
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perspective is. You simply cannot block critical infrastructure. So I don't support Extinction
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Rebellion gluing themselves to the bridges. I don't support days of action that shut down our
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railway lines, and I don't support inconveniencing neighbours and farmers and those who want to get
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goods transported by shutting down borders and highways. And I think that this is a caution.
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There's a way to be able to make your point known. There's a way to be able to advocate,
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but you can't block critical infrastructure. Alex, what's your response to this?
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Well, I see it again. I listened to it on Saturday, and it's like, I'm appalled. We weren't there for
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ideology, right? We weren't for certain ideology. We were there fighting the tyrannical government
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that was imposing illegal mandates, which have been proven now through that Ingram decision. So I'm
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saying there was no personal gain out of this. I'm shocked if it was critical infrastructure, if they
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want to charge us under the critical infrastructure act, there is a law in place for that, that we
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could have been charged under. But they chose explicitly to use mischief to set a precedence,
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I believe, to for future protesters to never protest again, if they give us a heavy enough
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sentence and charges on the mischief is going to deter any future protesting from taking place.
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I mean, it's sad that she's labeling us as a certain group or a certain ideology. We sure as
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heck weren't there for that. We were there for all Albertans fighting tyranny and illegal mandates
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that they were imposing on us.
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So we know that Premier Smith, when she was immediately elected, she said that she had actually
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initially hoped to grant amnesty or clemency for people charged for breaching COVID-19 restrictions.
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Later on, you know, at the beginning of the January 2023, she came back and said,
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actually, you know, I've looked into it. And this is something I'm not able to do
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just the way that our systems are designed here in Canada. I don't have the power to legally grant
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anyone amnesty. Often when I cover this story, I see people in the comments saying the Premier
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needs to get those people off. She needs to grant them clemency. What do you personally think about
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this? Do you think that there is a way for her to grant you clemency or have you accepted that she
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doesn't have the power to do that? Well, and there's two sides to it. I understand
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that she maybe doesn't have the power to, but she does. She has to look at what was happening in our
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country at the time and the mistakes that the government had made. And I feel that she has to
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say, you know what, based on what was happening under Jason Kenney's rule, that it was being done
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illegally, which forced good citizens to have to participate in such a thing to force their hand,
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I guess, in dropping these mandates. I know our judicial system is separate from our political
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system. I understand that. And it sets a precedence to, I guess, for further groups or anything to say,
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well, if they can get away with it, then we can, down the road, you'll see all kinds of groups
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doing these kind of measures and civil disobedience. But I believe this was outside of any group or
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personal gain. This was a fight in the tyrannical government, which she agreed with. She said coups
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needed to happen to stop what was happening in our province and country at that time. And she publicly
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said that. And now to retract that saying, you know what, I believe there's a way that she could
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have, even if she would have said that she couldn't agree with the blocking of it, but she agreed with
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the stand that we took on it, fighting against the tyranny that was happening.
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Something else I have to ask you is, you know, some conservatives might make the argument of law
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and order. I personally wouldn't make that argument myself, but they might say this is just a case of law
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an order. But even if we were to take that argument for what it is, there's also so many cases of people
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committing much worse crimes and being let off for much more. And not to even mention the catch and
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release system that we have going on. So how do you feel about that? Just sort of the, what seems to
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be unfairness of it, all of you guys being prosecuted for this. And we have actual violent criminals
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who are back out on the streets in no time.
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And you're 100% right, because she, they had an opportunity to charge us there again, under that
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critical infrastructure defense act, which was implemented, I believe in 2018, when that train
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tracks were blocked by the natives in Ontario. And that's when they are, maybe it was Northern
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Alberta, I can't remember where it was, but they brought that infrastructure act in place
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for that. And if, if she would have had that opportunity to speak to Mickey Amory, Mickey Amory,
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our Minister of Justice, to say, hey, you got these charges, charge them under the infrastructure act,
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because she was well aware of what we were charged with, but she chose to still allow this to go
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through. So it tells me that she had no intention of trying to get us off of this.
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When we talk about what the Premier is able to do, we know that she had asked her Justice Minister
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to look into the charges about COVID-19, see if there was cases of reasonable prosecution.
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Later, she received an ethics violation for that. The ethics commissioner said she should
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not have had those conversations with her Justice Minister. So even despite that ruling,
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you still think there's more she could have done?
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So I do believe there's more that she could have done, maybe not directly outside, but behind the scenes
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to, you know, had the Justice Minister look at it and say, hey, you know what,
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I'm not allowed to interfere. But you know what, maybe drop the charges from mischief to critical
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infrastructure, give us a fine, where it wouldn't have affected anybody, and it wouldn't have changed
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nothing. And nobody would have known the difference whether she was involved or not, because it would
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have been a separate lake. But she could have just said, hey, can you get these charges changed?
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She has that power and ability to do so.
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Alex, you said that you can expect to see that sentencing in September. How are you spending
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these next few months until we have that amount, what the actual sentencing is going to be?
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Well, it's going to be tough for me. Like I run not a large scale operation, but we feed about 7,000
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head. I have seven kids and nine grandkids, three more on the way. Within the next six,
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eight weeks here, I'll have three more grandkids. So it depends on the length of the sentencing.
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But I have a lot to switch over to my kids, you know, to put this weight on them. We run 350 cow-calf
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pairs. We farm about 2,500 acres. And yeah, to be able to all of a sudden let all that go for
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something I felt that we stood up for, for all Albertans and all Canadians. And I would like to
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hope and see that Albertans now are going to stand up and lobby against our Premier and ask the Premier
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to somehow do something to stop what's happening, because this is not justice. You know, it's how do
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you word it? I guess legally we were guilty, but morally we weren't.
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Alex, thank you so much.
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You're more than welcome.
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To the rest of our audience, we'll be back on Saturday with our regular programming. Thank
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you so much for tuning in today. Don't forget to subscribe to Tune North and like this video.
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I hope that you all have a great week and God bless.
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