00:00:00.000The pre-trial where they had all those influencers, a bunch of my friends, and then when I saw it, it was all scripted, the exact same statements, and I was just like, whoever's telling them to say this, and oh, we saw him up close, pull the trigger, and then that wasn't the case.
00:04:40.940Brandon Strock's putting it out, and he used a lot of just kind of facial mannerisms and
00:04:47.380acting like he was winning points, and they say he's this top debater in the known universe.
00:04:52.420I wouldn't say he's a terrible debater, and I've seen him win debates where I think he
00:04:56.140has the topic correctly, where he's on the side of the right.
00:04:59.000And I think you made some good points against her as well.0.72
00:05:01.740But we also have a little video showing Candace where she's flip-flopped some.
00:05:07.360And so there's become an orthodoxy where you're supposed to support anything she says and does or any theory she looks at, even though they're contradictory.
00:05:12.880And then I get demonized as a Mossad operative when I pointed out things that clearly aren't true and clearly aren't right.
00:05:18.600It's like I like Candace, but she's seen by her followers as like the word of God.
00:05:24.660And so that's where I've had some issues as well.
00:05:27.860But I think overall she won the debate. So here's where she doesn't know the charges.
00:05:34.120She does. Then he accuses her of secretly being given the information when clearly on the film, she doesn't have a phone in her hand.
00:05:39.640It's down in a purse or on a side. And that really double got him.
00:05:43.080It was a lot of things like that that just optically say who won it just from the way it came off.
00:05:48.360Not even so much the issues. It was this. And then we'll go to something that I think points out fair points where she has been extremely flip flopper.
00:05:56.740because she's basically said that TPSA killed him and the rest of it.
00:06:00.860Now she's like, oh, no, I never really said that.
00:09:43.660I make mistakes all the time, but at least be genuine in pretending that you care about this case enough to know one of the seven charges that are up against Tyler Robinson when you say the evidence is overwhelming that he's guilty.
00:09:54.700If you would like to move to final statements, I'm fine.
00:09:57.680I want to make sure Andrew has had the time that he has requested.
00:10:00.980I think your team would like to pull up the seven charges that he just asked you about.
00:10:04.500If you guys want to pull that up just to confirm the seven you went through.
00:10:11.140Aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm, obstruction of justice, which is counts three and four, five and six, tampering with a witness.
00:24:04.680The bottom line, however, yeah, Alex should have been able, Alex, Andrew should have been able to list off the seven charges, especially because they're overlapping.
00:24:11.800And some of them are more or less relevant.
00:24:14.900The obstruction of proceedings relevant only because they basically tried to argue that his advice, Tyler Robinson's advice to Lance Twiggs wasn't obstruction.
00:24:24.220It was altruistic, just looking out for the best interests of Lance Twiggs and not trying to impede with with official proceedings.
00:24:29.880But all that set that aside. We're not talking the trial right now.
00:24:33.520We're not talking the overwhelming evidence. That debate, in my view, should have been limited to Candace Owens trying to substantiate and flesh out and provide the evidence for the slew of statements she's made over the last 10 months that she's built this portion of her career on.0.98
00:24:48.720And when she gets a fine Alex, Andrew reacted badly to that. You don't accuse someone of having, you know, cheated to get the results of when they finally answer the question.
00:24:57.000the whole back and forth childish yeah that in my view should never have been the question it's not
00:25:02.160a relevant question he'll have a trial we'll decide what the overwhelming evidence is when
00:25:06.140it's all presented and um you know when the adversarial process has challenged that evidence
00:25:11.860right now it was hey candace for about the last year you've been talking about egyptian planes
00:25:16.940trap doors the french legion trying to kill you israel zionists being behind this what's your
00:25:23.380evidence and she gets out there and not i mean she said the word i feel or feels like a variation
00:25:29.720of which almost 60 times during that debate how anybody can say fine andrew didn't know the the
00:25:36.360charges don't go to him for the authority on the legal proceedings how anybody can continue
00:25:40.760listening to candace when she gets out there and says what's my evidence for israel was in on it
00:25:45.820first of all she backtracked everything oh i never said erica kirk was complicit in the killing or0.98
00:25:51.440the cover-up, bullcrap, bullcrap you did. And don't tell me I have to go watch all of your shows0.98
00:25:55.520in order to understand the context, because I'm not going to and I don't. But don't tell me that
00:26:00.340you didn't suggest Erica Kirk was in on the conspiracy or cover-up, and then backtrack to
00:26:04.760say, oh no, she was only complicit in the narrative that Tyler Robinson acted as the lone shooter.
00:26:10.460I mean, it's such a disingenuous backtrack, but set that aside. Sincerity versus disingenuousness.
00:26:16.460When he asked her what your evidence was that Israel was involved, and I'm not defending Israel,
00:26:21.100They have a history of extrajudicial assassinations in the most sinister, discreet ways possible.
00:26:27.020But it's fair to ask what the evidence is.
00:26:28.920That's what I said when they said it two days in.
00:29:31.060obviously you're not black op murderers0.99
00:29:32.620and black op killing crews don't get wide conspiracies0.99
00:29:35.580you to join in on it that's very amateurish you can't just think you can't shoot a rifle on the0.79
00:29:40.140ground it hits your eye you know she has a lot of blank spots and he and both of them told me no we
00:29:45.300talked to cash a lot and we said why don't you and they're like well we know they did that but
00:29:49.880probably did know it was gonna happen but we can't prove that they were accomplices so we don't want
00:29:54.320to have a loss to me i'm no lawyer or prosecutor but i study it if you have this group in support
00:29:59.740of him that's the proof right there that they saw it so you make them turn state's evidence the fact
00:30:04.680that the fbi didn't want to touch that that is that is big and but notice candace i'm mad at
00:30:10.140candace but she never seems to get into the cover-up the trans community they're saying
00:30:14.300we're going to kill charlie kirk they're a very violent group there's they sit and then they
00:30:18.440celebrate it and we're not supposed to look at that and all i ever said was is no we have to0.66
00:30:23.200look at this and accomplices and i think it's a very reasonable avenue of investigation go ahead
00:30:27.940Sorry. No, in as much as they think Israel had the incentive, which is you can theorize a men's0.58
00:30:35.080raya and intent in as much as they think Israel had that intent because Charlie Kirk was going
00:30:39.020to sway a generation of conservatives away from supporting Israel. So, too, did the LGBTQ furry0.79
00:30:44.360trans community with the stated purpose of having done that in the past. In as much as Charlie said
00:30:49.200he's nervous that, you know, Israel is going to get taken out for his changing views. He was also
00:30:54.040concerned about the violence from the trans community so it's the you know the blinders0.55
00:30:58.940that they don't even apply the same logic and this is candace to israel that to the trans
00:31:03.880community that they do to israel but the bottom line she had the chance what was your evidence
00:31:08.240and she gets out there and says well i don't believe the narrative that tyler uh you know
00:31:11.940did it did it out of a heat of passion for trans rights because lance twigs who i now trust said
00:31:16.280they never discussed politics oh and then he went and ate at a chick-fil-a which is exactly what a
00:31:21.020lgb2 and let's not forget twigs has been given immunity which makes him very suspect well he was
00:31:26.700given use immunity so that means that he could he cannot be uh prosecuted for the statement that he
00:31:31.380provided but if they find evidence of wrongdoing through other means he can still be prosecuted
00:31:34.820it's not blanket immunity it's a big distinction and the argument will be that they wanted at
00:31:39.760least to be able to convict one individual my point is it is immunity on the statements is what
00:31:45.680i meant yes immunity on the statements and some people are angry about that but they can still
00:31:50.240If he committed a crime, if he partook of it, if he was the one on the roof that actually took the shot, which incidentally, I could believe that as well.
00:31:57.720When there's the slightest piece of evidence to substantiate it, they can still prosecute Lance for crimes he may have committed if they can find the evidence through means other than that statement.
00:32:07.840But they're not going to go against their official story now.
00:39:39.600I don't blame anybody questioning it but then if I'm going to spend my time because everybody wants
00:39:43.960me to to analyze each point I've got integrity I'm going to tell you what I think is accurate
00:39:48.360and what isn't and maybe I'm wrong maybe you can disprove me but it doesn't mean I'm a Mossad0.77
00:39:52.520agent I just spent an hour exposing Israel and the horrible stuff they're doing well Alex I mean
00:39:58.100in the same day literally I get called a Jew hater and a Zionist I mean I got you know I get called0.65
00:40:04.100you know doing this for to benefit the administration when I took when I had people
00:40:09.960calling for my deportation when I was criticizing you know vigorously the rollout of the Epstein
00:40:14.300debacle and when I was criticizing the strikes in Iran going back to Operation Midnight Hammer0.51
00:40:19.480you know it's it is tribalism on steroids and the people out there who now say you know
00:40:25.780this is COVID 2.0 and the people who are buying up the Fed slop are the trust the science peoples
00:40:32.540there is an inability not only to understand nuance there is the compulsion to view things as
00:40:39.580basic black and white tribalist uh adherence and lionel whatever his name is lionel media1.00
00:40:45.280coming out saying vivos against candace i thought he was one of us what kind of idiotic thought0.97
00:40:50.440process is that i i'm first of all i'm a pretty lone and independent individual i mean i'm pretty0.95
00:40:55.920much as lone wolfish as you can get in terms of not i mean i believe you believe what you're
00:41:00.160saying most of the time you're right you're a guy of integrity and everything you're saying is true
00:41:03.640about where you stand exactly you're really trying to figure this out and and the idea that if we0.63
00:41:10.020don't just say you know the official story is totally true we're called scum by what i'm i'm
00:41:14.800attacked by people that hate candace and i'm attacked by people that love her because i have
00:41:19.000integrity and i'm just sitting here calling what i see well alex you know what the greatest uh
00:41:24.380gift was to the pizzagate story the dude who got uh you know convinced to go to comet pizza
00:41:30.120and shoot the place up, because as of that moment,
00:41:32.780nobody ever talked about the Podesta emails again.
00:41:34.800Nobody talked about the freaky art that talks about, you know,
00:41:37.740a handkerchief with pizza-related maps on it.0.98
00:41:40.900As of the time one individual was goaded into doing something stupid,0.89
00:41:44.600it gave the powers that be the moral, ethical authority0.97
00:41:48.520and even obligation to disregard all of that crazy Pizzagate talk.
00:41:52.320So if I would have zero trouble even believing if Israel were involved,0.66
00:41:58.320I mean, I'd say maybe they would probably go about it in a more discreet manner like they've done with other assassinations.0.93
00:42:03.160They like to kill you in hotel rooms.0.83
00:42:05.300Well, certainly. And people bring up the pagers.0.99
00:42:07.500And it's like, first of all, the only reason Israel went with the pagers to kill the Hamas people,0.76
00:42:11.540A, it was extremely risky and didn't take them out more often than not.0.71
00:42:15.400The only reason they did it is because they had no access to bring in men to poison or assassinate.
00:42:20.500The idea that they would go with the riskiest, most, I would say, easily traceable method of assassination,1.00
00:42:27.300it defies logic but set that aside i would have zero problem believing accepting that some foreign
00:42:33.220or domestic uh agents were involved because charlie kirk was going to be the next president
00:42:38.180he was going to be a next conservative president he was a singularly unique human with the power
00:42:43.560of persuasion that very few people have on this earth because he was so sincere and likable zero
00:42:48.160problem to believe it but you've got to give the slightest shred of evidence which is not the
00:42:53.340absence of evidence well i know israel did it because cash patel wouldn't look into it after
00:42:57.600joe kent uh suggested they look into a foreign nexus is not evidence of an act and this is all
00:43:03.140that the evidence has ever been is suggestions running theories you know debunked uh outright
00:43:09.260disinformation but they want to believe it's so bad they shout out at the people who ask the
00:43:15.280questions to challenge their theory let me ask you this though what happens when they have the trial
00:43:18.840Because, you know, you're a lawyer. You came and covered one of my show trials in Texas, and you accurately reported on how it was total fraud.
00:43:28.200And I've talked to a lot of reporters that are at this trial. They say so far it looks like the judge is being somewhat fair and stuff's transparent.
00:43:34.160They call the pretrial stuff the actual trial, which it wasn't. But I've been in show trials, so then it makes me kind of a little bit suspect of other ones.
00:43:42.040But gut level, or look at this, as this unfolds, how long is the trial going to take? How are people going to respond to this?
00:44:34.020Nestor is in on it because they didn't raise certain elements that they could have raised when people believe that the text messages were fabricated, falsified, whatever.
00:44:42.840if this goes to trial and there's a conviction it will never convince people if it goes to trial
00:44:48.380and there's an acquittal it'll spawn a whole new slew of conspiracies if he pleads out because this
00:44:54.620is you know i think maybe more likely where it's going to go because i think the defense probably
00:44:57.940knows more stuff than candace owens if he pleads out after they strike a deal that removes the0.96
00:45:02.380death penalty from the table people are going to say this is more evidence of the corruption
00:45:06.860because this is what the feds do they overcharge to coerce a settlement and it's you know this is
00:45:11.980the problem of the system which is a legitimate criticism as well and then you never get to
00:45:16.120exploring alternative not alternative theories potential accomplices um and so that'll not
00:45:21.880satisfy anybody or god forbid if he gets epstein or dies or takes his own life you got a whole new
00:45:28.600slew of conspiracies going on i was about to say i was about to say uh exactly i think there's a
00:45:34.380really good chance of that because it's got the same federal forces swirling around it my issue
00:45:38.780with Andrew Wilson is this, he's debated my son a few times. It's not just my son. I just so
00:45:43.940happen to have seen those. And then I saw him in some other debates that they saw some of them on
00:45:49.520Rogan. So I debated him last Saturday and I actually didn't do as good as I would have in a
00:45:56.140four hour debate because, and we won it and they admitted we won halfway through. They go, you're
00:46:00.840right. The war is wrong. We shouldn't throw Trump out the window. And you guys are just Trump0.68
00:46:04.940derangement syndrome and we should just back trump in the war because it's gonna hurt us too
00:46:09.160bad to have the democrats and i'm like that's two separate things but he did so many little weird0.85
00:46:13.620tricks and appeals to emotion and laughing and and and then like we all know uh that it's ridiculous
00:46:22.480that the ndaa merges us with israel right we all know it and he's like we all know we all know the1.00
00:46:28.060damn bill says it then y'all who wrote it and at a certain point i was like you're full of crap man0.97
00:46:32.600okay and you know just and and and so what i'm saying is i'm a little prejudiced in i'm gonna0.99
00:46:38.700be completely honest he comes off as very swarmy and really villainish i i i'm gonna be honest
00:46:44.240andrew and i want him on the show i want to debate him i don't like him and and so candace for all
00:46:49.140her issues and all the cultishness around it and her surrogates that she fully backs going
00:46:53.920completely ape when you question anything and i have real problems with her and but i'll have
00:46:57.780problems the whole thing because i can't figure it out and it's because the loss of trust and i
00:47:01.120I mean, it's a whodunit that just won't go away.
00:47:03.880It's like a pain in my neck that won't go away.
00:47:35.080But it's only because that's not the part of the debate that I think is relevant at all.
00:47:39.800You're a lawyer, so you were trying to look at facts.
00:47:42.940Well, I was trying to I think it's improper to have a debate on the overwhelming nature of the evidence at this stage because it hasn't been through the adversarial process.
00:47:51.240I think that entire discussion is a losing discussion.
00:47:53.600And that goes back, because you're right, that goes back to the – because that goes back to the pretrial where they had all those influencers, a bunch of my friends, and then when I saw it, it was all scripted, the exact same statements, and I was just like, whoever's telling him to say this, and we saw him up close pull the trigger, and then that wasn't the case.
00:59:19.580And I wasn't a bad kid, but I was flamboyant, and I was like 12 years old, and I'd been in a bunch of big fights, even at the country club with older kids and stuff.
00:59:26.940So I was seen as the villain, so everybody knew who we were.
00:59:28.920We lived in a big house on the hill and all the rest of it.
00:59:31.140And so we'd been to church and gone to the cafeteria, and we pull in about 2 o'clock, and there are the police, and there's the golf course association manager.
00:59:40.880And so we get out of the Bronco, my mom, my dad, and me.
00:59:47.140and the police are there and they're standing there oh mr jones talked to him and my dad goes
00:59:52.860over you know in in the in the in the yard and talks to the golf course manager and my dad walks
00:59:59.380back over there and he starts talking to the cops and then they start talking in front of me and he's
01:00:05.180like alex come over here alex did you just rob the boat enclosure because they just this old man
01:00:09.520had just caught kids robbing the boat enclosure everybody parks their boats that aren't in the
01:00:13.440marina. And the old man goes, yep, that's him. I just saw you robbing the boat and closed in front
01:00:18.220of the cops. And my dad looks at him and he says, I got a Luby's receipt right here. We were just at
01:00:23.180this church. We just stayed here. And then we pulled through and got gas. Here's my gas receipt.
01:00:28.060And the cops were looking at it and they go, you want to retract your false report? And the old man
01:00:31.900goes, no, and runs off. But my point is, that's what receipts are about. And so it's the same
01:00:37.120thing with the steakhouse. But those old people were like so convinced of it, they didn't want1.00
01:00:42.120admit they were wrong and and that's the example i'm talking about here where once they accuse0.54
01:00:46.540somebody they're that they won't get off of it well it's it's the um you know a question of ego
01:00:52.920a question of pride a question of also there are a lot of people out there who operate on the basis
01:00:56.880that others will use an apology or retraction the way they would which is to weaponize it
01:01:01.540and not actually accept it but just use it as hey you were wrong you're you're permanently
01:01:05.880discredited whenever i make a mistake i try to make the correction more public than the mistake
01:01:10.640you know just the nature of the beast is sometimes mistakes go viral and then the
01:01:14.880correction never gets as much traction i'm lucky that it hasn't been too serious other than you
01:01:19.280know mistaking a tweet for real and uh making it making a coming to a conclusion that proved to
01:01:24.720be false well to finish the story i didn't finish it because i'm now remembering it so the cops after
01:01:29.12010 minutes leave and my dad talks to the old man and his wife and a few of the other golf carts
01:01:34.380that were there the old angry committee and my dad walks back in he goes man i hate that guy
01:01:40.300I go, why? He goes, well, he said, all right, it wasn't Alex because it was another blonde haired0.94
01:01:44.720kid and his brother. We later learned how it was because I'm gone. This was, they just robbed it
01:01:48.580like an hour before. They caught him in there stealing stuff out of the boats, stereos or
01:01:52.260whatever. The old man goes, we know it wasn't your son. We know we're wrong, but we know he's a crook
01:01:57.140and we're going to get him. I was never stealing stuff. Okay. All I'd done was like beat up some
01:02:01.840older kid in front of them at the country club. They couldn't believe it because it was like one,
01:02:04.620you know, their cool kid or whatever, knock some kid's teeth out. But the point is, is that that's
01:02:08.800how this works once you're once once a narrative is there people are investing in it was my only
01:02:13.340point no no i was good about this was one of my lessons growing up as my dad when we'd get into
01:02:17.680trouble i was like i didn't i didn't do it you know i didn't do what you're yelling at me for
01:02:20.880now he's like well i know you did something else that you got away with so you know it offsets
01:02:24.700that's exactly what the guy said yeah yeah well it's different when it's your parent versus when
01:02:29.520it's someone who's trying to we we get that get that point but so the bottom line everybody ask0.94
01:02:35.420all the questions you want at some point however you also do have to appreciate if you ask dumb0.57
01:02:40.400and distracting questions you're no longer contributing to a discussion you're distracting
01:02:44.420from it and then people say who made you the hall monitor nobody i'm we're all discussing0.97
01:02:49.320you'll convince me why it's not uh you know a stupid theory that they've all got their special
01:02:55.300investigation committees and i go look and it's like memes and then when we question they go who0.94
01:03:00.020are you authorized to even engage in the holy sacrament only joan of arc 2.0 candace and i
01:03:06.120don't dislike candace but it's like the cult like and that's another question i'm no rocket scientist
01:03:12.400but i know this she's boosted by youtube boosted by everything we're blocked why is she boosted by
01:03:18.120the by the big tech i uh would not i don't know if that's true alex i do know what i see and oh
01:03:25.040it's true it is it is interesting but that being said you can get into what might be an inorganic
01:03:32.000boost for the purposes of of creating or exacerbating a political divide to the detriment
01:03:37.120of these united states of america and to the benefit of any of its adversaries we can go down
01:03:41.460that rabbit these are also things where i make observation i observe things i'm not necessarily
01:03:46.020comfortable enough to make the broad accusation some people are going to say viva it's it's sour
01:03:49.800grapes you're not getting as much traction as she is and you know you're you're not grifting as well
01:03:54.420as she is so you're you're bitter it could be it could be not but uh i've noticed it as well and
01:04:00.240it's you know it plays into what's going on online i have a sneaking suspicion there's an inorganic
01:04:06.180movement to embolden the people who are organically believing this and it's sort of the
01:04:12.120it's the new iteration of mass formation psychosis where you have people who seem to be getting
01:04:16.880encouragement from organic or inorganic sources well you notice all the big top democrats even
01:04:21.820national host they are they love this infighting they love and i'm not saying no question but i'm
01:04:28.520saying they're sitting back with popcorn watching this burn down maga which stops which which goes
01:04:34.000to trump who ordered cash patel to shut down foreign involvement and to shut down domestic
01:04:38.580involvement so in a way trump deserves it it's just sad to see it well it's terrible to see
01:04:44.840because ultimately nobody believes what's going on and it allows them to believe whatever on earth
01:04:49.860they want and however outlandish and conspiratorial it is however many people need to be in on the
01:04:54.100conspiracy they say well i've lost so much faith in the system you know i'm going to law school
01:04:58.660type thing but just getting back you know get back to the debate there were some l's for andrew
01:05:04.640there were some tactical you know stylistic things that he could do what were the wins what
01:05:08.340were the losses yeah what do you want to say instead of me guiding this there's a lot of you
01:05:11.240you have to say well i i didn't i thought it was i thought it was um not inopportune you're never
01:05:15.880going to win the argument about ballistics. So Andrew getting in and explaining why he thinks
01:05:19.680it could have been a bullet and not a microphone. These are not discussions that are going to
01:05:23.800convince anybody because the people making them are not experts and people still don't even trust
01:05:27.500the experts. So that was, I think, not a red herring, but a losing, diverging path to go down
01:05:33.660in the first place. I don't like the fact that there's a discussion to discuss the overwhelming
01:05:37.920evidence right now because it's premature and it's judicially and legally inappropriate unless
01:05:42.540it's just to argue that probable cause has been met and it's going to move to trial and then we'll
01:05:46.240determine the nature of the so-called overwhelming evidence. But other than that, Candace has been
01:05:50.820making a business of this day in and day out for the last 11 months with a moving target of
01:05:56.880different conspiracy theories, a moving target of different individuals who are complicit, who were
01:06:01.360involved, who had to have done something, has turned it into a debacle that is a travesty to
01:06:09.040the legacy of charlie kirk and might incidentally result in uh you know potentially the responsible
01:06:15.340individuals not being brought to justice if you constantly are looking to israel despite admitting
01:06:20.440you have zero evidence to substantiate it and not diverting those resources and that attention and
01:06:25.760those online investigators to the more probable potential conspiracies who was in those discord
01:06:31.700chats what's up with george and now that that just went away and that's where you might actually
01:06:37.660for whatever the reason profit you know misguided attention uh misguided sincerity you might result
01:06:44.620in actually not bringing justice to those who partook in this because charlie kirk was killed
01:06:50.020and in as much as there's people out there who are pontificating that charlie's still alive that
01:06:55.580it was all staged it was all cgi everybody on the ground is lying they haven't he's alive and in
01:06:59.260witness protection you can ask those questions and i can call you absolutely insane for asking
01:07:04.880them distracting from the discussion and i'm trying by the way let's just stop though let's
01:07:08.200just stop because people this is really important what you're saying okay and this is a debate a
01:07:14.040debate about how we don't know what's going on we know there's a cover-up we're both debating the
01:07:18.200black hole that this is so when i say this is a debate it's a real debate and i and i and i want
01:07:22.440criticism to try to help me you know think more and and when i ask for calls and read people's
01:07:28.380comments i get a lot of information from that and it helps stimulate me everybody who's got a brain
01:07:34.760knows. I legitimately want to know the truth. I want to be accurate. I'm neurotic about wanting
01:07:39.060to get things correct. We have a really good track record to be some of those accurate people
01:07:42.640out there. But I mean, that's exactly where we're at now, where we're questioning it,
01:07:48.680and then the TPUSA gets mad at us. Because I'll get calls from TPUSA, and they'll send me texts.
01:07:53.340I don't even respond to it, like, why are you doing this? Well, this looks like a real avenue.
01:07:56.880I've got to cover it. And then the other side, oh my God, you're fed slop with the Israelis.1.00
01:08:01.140Why are you doing this? Well, no, this theory isn't accurate. And I'm not claiming I'm the1.00
01:08:05.140arbiter or the guy that has all the answers, but I've got as much right to investigate this as
01:08:10.380anybody else does. And I don't see a lot of serious work going on. I see a lot of people,
01:08:17.300particularly on the Candace side, that it has become a cottage industry. It has become a
01:08:21.660Charlie Kirk assassination industry. I'm not going to even say her, but everybody else,
01:08:25.340where they always love the next minutia and the next serialization of it instead of getting
01:08:30.440somewhere and you hit the key. I got multiple calls from people in the cabinet meetings that
01:08:35.500were really upset about Charlie and about being told, stand down. And later it came out what I
01:08:40.960said was dead on and Joe Kitt and others confirmed it was declassified. That, yeah, this is true.0.91
01:08:44.980Trump killed it. And then they also killed the others. So no one ever wants to touch that. You0.98
01:08:49.720do. No one wants to touch all the other pieces that are in this that show there is a cover up.
01:08:57.460I notice what gets boosted and what the influencers that are the great patriots do is they go for the sensational, easily debunked stuff that becomes a black hole that gets debunked and they just move on.
01:09:09.880So when I sit back and I look and I go, whoever really did this, I think, behind this is some of my Army buddies that are still in and pretty high up, let's just say, in psychological operations and some Navy people I know that are pretty smart.
01:09:23.680without even them knowing i'm talking to different people they they're all very cynical they think
01:09:29.000owens is in on it they think this is a big psyop um and and and i would i would never i mean i i
01:09:35.560know people make that accusation and and it could be an organ i would never make it period and by
01:09:40.620the way i'm not accusing her of it i'm just asking i'm serious i'm being sarcastic i'm just i don't
01:09:44.840think that's the case but i'm saying guys that do this all day which i do it organically and i'm
01:09:49.000probably way better than these guys just saying because i do it like literally 24 7 i'm just
01:09:53.360saying and the other big group of military delta force army rangers green berets navy seal seal
01:10:01.120team six i mean you even saw the guy that reportedly killed bin laden most respected
01:10:04.780seal nobody's saying o'neill in the badass o'neill thinks it's a cover-up and and a bunch of those
01:10:09.320guys a bunch of those guys behind the seat the only reason o'neill thinks it's a cover-up is
01:10:14.440because he's repeating candace talking points without even thinking them through and the
01:10:18.400ultimate irony no he knows a 30-odd six goes through your neck he knows you don't slap a
01:10:23.020telescopic soap on and have it well i mean it doesn't go through it doesn't go through your
01:10:26.620neck unless you're martin luther king and then you know your jawbone can stop it but not a spine
01:10:30.780spinal of a spine bone not a spinal cord but but even though his statements were very wishy-washy
01:10:37.000it was just repeating the same candace talking points even referencing candace in this and the
01:10:40.980ultimate irony in all of this is the people who are just asking questions well my goodness it
01:10:45.500takes three hundred thousand dollars to get them to the table to have a discussion well i will say
01:10:49.640Hold on, hold on, hold on, let's do that now.
01:10:51.680Do we, maybe you know, because I don't know.
01:10:53.380Why is, I'm not saying money, you got to pay crew and stuff,
01:12:16.500they send another influencer like insulting her very genre which by the way you know that comes
01:12:23.120from the greek philosophers an influencer didn't use real facts they just use rhetoric i am not an
01:12:27.940influencer i am a patriot i'm a truth seeker i have a journalist hat a pundit hat a comedy hat
01:12:34.140but it's all about truth i i reject the term influencer people don't know what it means
01:12:39.000stop using it it's i don't take it as an insult when people say it but i you know humorously
01:12:45.380retort i'm an analyst what i'm saying is i agree the antecedent of it the progeneration of it is
01:12:50.760bad is what i'm saying yeah no well for sure because the idea is i'm an analyst commentator
01:12:55.920if my analysis or comments carry influence it's because of the quality of the thought
01:13:00.360and and the analysis itself which is why you know exactly it's the accuracy of the payload that has
01:13:05.680the influence whereas under greek an influencer does it with flim flam with trickery more like
01:13:11.460you know manipulation as opposed to convincing well well that's what the guy debating can it's
01:13:16.500all about puffery and acting like you won look yeah but meanwhile he got he got the admissions
01:13:21.660out there which i was just shocked were so easily um provided that at the end of the day she's got
01:13:27.700zero concrete evidence and you say call it positive evidence of israel's involvement even
01:13:32.880though hypothetically theoretically it's more than possible there's just zero evidence to
01:13:36.940substantiated despite literally having built the movement on this the fact that every time i say
01:13:42.040something seemingly uh you know not supporting a narrative but criticizing candace or challenging
01:13:48.580her uh assertions i get called a zionist it's the excuse that people need to stop thinking and stop0.86
01:13:54.860addressing the substance oh it's a retarded way to change the subject like the word conspiracy0.77
01:13:59.420theory existed in a few literary areas but it was came out in the frank church committee hearings0.86
01:14:03.360I saw candidates attacked by fact checkers that the first time it said in 1886 or whatever.
01:14:08.060No, it was declassified in 75, the Frank Insurance Committee, that they had all these JFK questions and they had Jim Garrison and all the stuff coming out.
01:14:15.160So they said, call it a conspiracy terrorist.
01:14:18.180Don't engage in the debate because we can't win the debate.
01:14:52.360But, you know, Tyler Robinson could come out and admit to everything.0.92
01:14:56.080And then they're going to say, the Zionist got to you.0.70
01:14:58.740And by the way, instantly, for what it's worth, even if you were to come out and admit to everything,0.90
01:15:01.960I would need to see him make statements of knowledge that only he would have and only he could prove
01:15:06.680in order to know that it's a legit confession and not one that has been coerced to spare his life.
01:15:12.460But it's where we're at in terms of the level of thought and critical thought.
01:15:17.820The people asking the questions, the second they get asked a question or challenged in their assertions,0.88
01:15:22.160everyone becomes a zionist fed slopper gobbling the official narrative which by and large is never0.81
01:15:27.680the case but it just it absolves them of having to substantiate their outlandish theories and0.91
01:15:32.240it's not how discussion happens it's actually how you don't get to the truth if that's truly what
01:15:38.200you wanted and how potentially people who may have been involved in this are gonna get off
01:15:43.860because everybody's been whipped up into you know believing it was a foreign nation in the absence
01:15:48.920of any concrete shred of evidence but that's the takeaway from the debate well let me raise this
01:15:53.860though go ahead make your point on that but i don't want to ask you because you covered go ahead
01:15:57.560as far as everybody goes you know the overwhelming nature of the evidence you deal with the evidence
01:16:01.340we have right now for the legal thresholds that we have right now and wait for the trial a lot of
01:16:05.500wild things can happen at trial and if it comes out that some of the evidence has been fabricated
01:16:10.200and it wasn't brought up at the preliminary hearing to challenge you know when faced with
01:16:14.640probable cause we'll cross that bridge when we get there well what do you make what do you make
01:16:18.540of them saying they can't match the bullet and then finding a five five six bullet on the roof
01:16:23.420i mean that is wild well the bullet i mean look that's another one where you said like okay how
01:16:28.480on earth did a bullet get there i've listened to a number of people who i consider to be if not0.96
01:16:32.440smarter than me at least more experienced than me and they say look stupid things happen in0.80
01:16:36.760investigations cops drop guns you got michael bird the guy who shot ashley babbitt left his gun in a0.98
01:16:42.500bathroom so the idea that a cop dropped a bullet on a roof oh it wasn't the other roof so why would0.72
01:16:47.040you've been there look stupid things happen in investigations the not matching the bullet to the0.94
01:16:53.040rifle you know from my understanding not an expert but i've i've i've listened to what smarter people0.79
01:16:57.880have to say is more often than not in the in the you know in these types of cases now 30-06 doesn't
01:17:03.380break up very often i don't bother well it was it was you know we now know it was a remington core
01:17:09.320lock which apparently is a very low quality uh ammunition that has the tendency to break up
01:17:15.300And then, you know, it was supposed to mushroom but not fragment.
01:17:19.000Again, if the argument is going to be someone else took a shot from a different location or it was someone else with a different gun from the same location, fine.
01:17:27.620I'll wait for that evidence before entertaining the theory.
01:17:30.620But to simply come out and say now, I don't believe anything, so I'm going with an exploding microphone.
01:23:26.340and not understanding what was likely done to that image
01:23:29.960in its enhancement, in its modification
01:23:33.000to just make it look a little bit not like Tyler Robinson.
01:23:36.840But meanwhile, while we're all watching
01:23:38.440the Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens reality show,
01:23:41.860the data centers are going in, the wars are continuing.
01:23:44.180my issue is what percentage of the time so i think on the internet now when it comes to waking up
01:23:49.060exposing the globalists half our time has been on charlie kirk and i think he's important i think
01:23:53.100we should spend some time should it be should it be 99 of the time spent or is that kind of a cover
01:23:57.480about 100 of the time should be spent on this nothing else well and i get accused of obsessing
01:24:04.040over this and fixating on it first of all i don't i i know what my respective focus is on on my live
01:24:09.320shows you know daily at three in the sunday show yeah whether or not i spend a lot of time on this
01:24:13.500on x only the requisite amount of time to deal with it and address the disinformation in real
01:24:18.400time and address the legalities in real time i try to talk about this people are going to laugh
01:24:23.180as little as possible i did a show on it yesterday because they had the debate and by other than that
01:24:27.880i try to stick to the other stuff even if i don't find it quite as interesting and even if i'm not
01:24:31.640so enmeshed in it but you're right i mean this is at least from the online community the majority
01:24:37.540of the discussion and it's almost like we've stopped talking about the war in iran because
01:24:41.720it's been you know won and and back on so many times i've had people i see people on x all over
01:24:47.600going why are you covering up charlie's murder covering iran well because iran can get us all
01:24:52.280killed it's already killing the economy no but well first of all you're going to get that no
01:24:56.160matter what you do it's you're spending too much time on charlie kirk you're not spending enough
01:24:59.440time on charlie kirk i mean it's the nature of the beast when you reach however many millions
01:25:02.520of people you're reaching however you know whatever reach i have is people are going to say
01:25:06.020too much time not enough time why didn't you say this you said too much of this and you know
01:25:10.240Literally, they'll have arguments with themselves and their own imaginings of what you're doing.
01:25:13.440But no, look, I try to keep up with what's going on in Canada.
01:25:16.840However uninteresting it is, because people are like, this is what we want to talk about right now.
01:25:21.180I'm not going to brand myself or my analysis on this Charlie Kirk stuff the way others have literally made it their industry over the last year.
01:25:30.640What do you predict? Gut level. It's not a prediction, but how do you feel, to use her term, how do you feel it's going to end up for Canada's owns?
01:25:36.140uh not a question of feeling the prediction is going to be at some point the chickens are going
01:25:41.700to come home to roost people are going to understand it others are going to be too far
01:25:45.400down the manipulation uh rabbit hole to admit that they were you know manipulated and they'll
01:25:51.780cloak it in i was just trying to get at the truth it's normal yada yada the easiest person to lie
01:25:56.180to is yourself um so i mean i think there's going to be a number of people who are going to realize
01:26:01.260realize that maybe they got too far into it i have a you know a a deep optimistic desire that
01:26:07.680candace owens is going to look back at this and say yeah i got i got a little too righteously
01:26:12.140involved and what i did was not fair to the people involved i mean i i would imagine hope
01:26:17.100at some point in time going back and saying yeah maybe i shouldn't have accused erica kirk of
01:26:21.400child trafficking from an orphanage in romania i'm not sure if candace made that specific
01:26:25.680allegation but that was one of the well she definitely fanned it well i say maybe at some
01:26:30.820point she'll look back and say i should that that 12 part miniseries the bride of charlie
01:26:35.220was not something i should have done to the woman that the man i say i cared about loved like maybe
01:26:39.820i should have done that to my my murdered best friend terrorize his wife maybe i should maybe
01:26:45.040i regret some of it um i think there's going to be a lot of that at the end of the day but at the
01:26:48.980end of the day also if it continues the way it's continuing now i will proudly rest my hat on my0.56
01:26:55.420track record in terms of asking questions and calling out the bullshit when it happens and
01:27:00.980being critical when it happens, uh, versus having made a series of mistakes, uh, that might've been
01:27:06.600popular with my audience, but not good for my integrity and not good for my soul. So that's
01:27:10.880where I think it's going to go. The truth will come out sooner than later. And it's only going
01:27:16.020to be a question of whether or not people say she was deliberately lying. It was sort of,
01:27:19.540she believed it opportunistic or, you know, whatever the alternatives are. One thing I don't
01:27:23.980support and never have not with you not with others is using lawfare to criminalize speech
01:27:29.840uh you know and i i don't know that she's there yet i i still well let's raise it i think you're
01:27:34.880going to sandy hook so you covered i'm actually i'm going to mac mac calm with with with candace
01:27:39.800like i i've been defending candace in the context of that defamation lawsuit because a i you know
01:27:45.100i so stop let's a lot of people aren't up on this this is our final topic here and i appreciate
01:27:50.380your time. Let's unpack that because you early on looked at Sandy Hook, said I was being set up,
01:27:55.420clearly was, showed trials, already found guilty, all the rest of it. And that makes me kind of
01:27:59.780prejudiced not to trust the courts is what I went through there. But I've seen some courts,
01:28:02.940you know, aren't corrupt. We've had some courts rule in our favor, but I've witnessed it. But
01:28:08.020clearly they've tried to make the parallel, which you commented on, they took out of context. I saw
01:28:12.360the full context and I actually agree with you that I was saying in general, once you've seen
01:28:16.440so many lies, then everything seems like a lie. It's like a group psychosis. I wasn't saying,
01:29:03.520I covered a few times the internet not believing it.
01:29:05.580But then they latched on to me, latched on to Trump,
01:29:08.000made it this huge thing, raised all this money off of it.
01:29:10.140With Candace, there is a legitimate compendium of this.
01:29:13.760I don't want them to set an anti-free speech deal with her, but if they could get judges to rig trials against me, as I told her the last time she was on a year ago when they first filed suit on her to the Macrons, I said, you got serious issues if you think you're going to get justice out of the courts.
01:29:28.020But just them comparing what I supposedly did versus what she's done, how do those two things being compared come together in your mind?
01:29:35.940Well, I mean, that was the argument as to why I'm out in left field suggesting that Candace has the slightest chance in her Brigitte Macron case, because you're going to get in front of an activist judge or an activist jury.
01:29:45.860And, you know, they'll find you guilty whether or not you are or at least liable in the case of defamation.
01:29:52.520When it's come to, like, some of the things that Candace has said, actionable.
01:29:56.560No, suggesting people are complicit in murder is under the law.
01:30:02.860Some will say it's defamation per se. When you're accusing someone of murder or being an accessory to murder, these are defamatory statements that there's defamation laws.
01:30:14.080I don't think Candace should get sued for what she's doing.0.97
01:30:18.180I still think it's wildly immoral and just ultimately factually incorrect and destructive.
01:30:23.400But what people are suggesting is that they're going to try to use lawfare to shut Candace up, incidentally, and that's going to be the evidence as to how true what she's saying is.
01:30:32.860Which is also the other reason for which I, you know, even tactically, even if you think that she should get sued, you don't want it because you know exactly what's going to happen.
01:30:40.320They're going to use the fact that she's getting sued to say that's how right she is and that's how you know that the others are involved.
01:30:45.560That being said, I don't know that anyone at TPUSA or Erica Kirk has threatened to sue her yet, certainly not to bankrupt her.
01:30:52.620But there are more than one lesson to learn from any one of these incidents.0.97
01:30:57.380And Sandy Hook, my underlying theory all along is that it was co-opted or weaponized to get you to say something stupid that they would ultimately then use as the basis to employ lawfare to bankrupt you and shut you up.0.97
01:31:24.580When it comes to Candace, it wouldn't be hard to think that people want Candace to get out there and get people to believe in sanity so that it makes it harder to get to the truth.0.99
01:31:34.800Or if someone is malicious and wants to find an excuse, plant a theory and get Candace to repeat it so that she can get sued.
01:31:42.380But the bottom line is she should not be sued into silence, nor is she being for that matter.
01:31:48.020I think she's got a good argument in the Matt Collin case, but I'm told she's dead to rights.
01:31:53.020I don't think anybody hears that and thinks that she's making statements of fact, but rather putting out her own theories and, you know, conspiracy theories.
01:32:02.260But it's not also fair to say you're trying to get her sued now to shut her up.
01:32:06.360So you guys should stop, you know, challenging her on what she says, because that just emboldens them.
01:32:12.040But the bottom line, I don't think Candace should get sued for what she's saying right now, though she is legally, you know, walking pretty close if she's.
01:32:20.640Sure, what I'm saying is I don't like what I did compared to her.