The Alex Jones Show Live - EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW With America’s Top Independent Pollster & Political Futurist Mark Mitchell

00:00:00.000 You're starting to see a cycle in 28 where you're going to have the first leading candidates for president are going to be millennials.

00:00:06.140 And that's going to be very new because we can all look at J.D. and say, well, depending on what you think of him or even what his positions are, he talks very differently than Trump.

00:00:15.060 And he put definitely is worried about young people and reflects this, you know, need to put the constituent first.

00:00:23.580 And I think you could say that about the DSA people as well, because, you know, like people just don't get this.

00:00:29.000 but trump had a 60 approval rating with the under 40 voter and so did mom donnie six months later

00:00:35.080 you know what i mean like it's just like you can call a muslim all you want but at the end of the 0.98

00:00:39.540 day these young people are kind of tired of that crap it's about populism it's about populism 0.96

00:00:44.620 they want an america that works and i think they're increasingly seeing through things like 0.98

00:00:50.300 oh the lgbt culture war issue it's like fine yes a majority of people are against transing the kids

00:00:56.060 in the united states but at the end of the day if that's going to be your platform nancy mace

00:01:00.400 it's like you're not speaking to the things that these people care about you just you're not so i

00:01:06.320 mean like i don't know how republicans get them out of this particular situation they're in because

00:01:10.420 they basically like screwed the pooch in a way that's going to be looked back as like just this

00:01:15.280 legendary miscalculation of the american people and it's like because of people like me like they

00:01:20.980 had warning. Like I was, you asked before, when did it really hit the fan? So like those people

00:01:28.060 like, oh, and some people tuned out, right? Then liberation day happened. And some people were

00:01:32.280 like, oh, that's kind of chaotic. And some people tuned out, but Trump did have a plus four net

00:01:36.980 approval rating the day before Israel started the 12 day war in June of 2025. And it immediately 0.96

00:01:43.540 went down to negative eight. There was a 12 point drop in like a three week period. Now it's hard

00:01:48.020 to say it's all Operation Midnight Hammer because the one big, beautiful bill was getting pushed

00:01:51.240 through at the same time. Nobody really cared. And then Epstein hit. And so Epstein was so bad.

00:01:56.640 This case closed. Pam Bondi has to be like some kind of like subversive agent because she had 1.00

00:02:03.340 some of the most egregious, symbolic counter signaling statements. Case closed was one of 0.99

00:02:09.220 them. And we went into the field and found out that only 20% of Republicans agree that the case

00:02:14.200 was closed. And it's like, everybody thinks there's wealthy and powerful people that are

00:02:19.140 predators that need to go to jail. It was like over 70%. That's what made me done with it. That's

00:02:23.780 what made me done with it for good forever. That's what made me leave support of the administration

00:02:27.920 in any regard was, Hey, you have cash Patel, Dan Bongino, Pam Bondi, like get cash Patel,

00:02:33.220 Dan Bongino specifically running on this to get their appointments. And then you have Pam Bondi

00:02:37.400 who says, I have the files on my desk. I've seen the tapes, the videos of thousands of hours of

00:02:42.960 child porn. And they say, oh, Epstein's not even a pedophile. Have you heard this? 0.94

00:02:49.800 We like my polling, in my opinion, showed that about five to 10 percent of independents just

00:02:55.200 checked out and never came back from a Trump approval perspective. Right. After the Epstein 0.93

00:02:59.180 thing. And everybody was talking about it. It's like and of course, I was called to panic in

00:03:03.160 everybody who said something again, even though it was only a 20 percent position in the Republican

00:03:08.380 party, there was a coordinated online press by MAGA influencers and probably some foreign bots

00:03:13.920 to, you know, really like say, no, nothing to see here. Like we don't worry. Epstein's not,

00:03:21.340 this isn't what people voted for. Remember like Trump never said Epstein and like, it was just

00:03:27.360 obviously not going to work. Right. And then there were other things along the way. But by the time

00:03:32.180 I got to talk to Trump in November, remember he had gone after Massey so hard and MTG that he had

00:03:37.840 basically made them the primary enemies of his administration yes and these were people that

00:03:42.780 like americans whether you like massey or not it's like well he did stand up for america with

00:03:47.280 the epstein transparency act and marjorie taylor green was like og maga and it's like these things

00:03:52.900 matter when you fight mtg and massey more than you do john thune who's not putting any of your

00:03:58.620 legislative agenda through like what's going on here when you're endorsing rhinos up and down

00:04:04.880 all these tickets and fighting mtg and massey so one of the things i said to trump is like listen

00:04:09.380 you have to present a coherent vision going forward of what republican governance looks like

00:04:14.060 you got to stop gaslighting people that it's the golden age already just because like what you said

00:04:19.260 all of the consumer sentiment and all like there's a million poll numbers you know 58 percent of

00:04:25.220 americans say that in the last 12 months they've changed their grocery shopping habits because

00:04:29.240 they can't afford food anymore like all these numbers are just egregiously bad so you're gonna

00:04:33.460 say we're in a golden age and then fight the very people that americans are looking to for

00:04:39.580 leadership because you're screwing up your own agenda and i and i told them it's like you got

00:04:44.340 to fight fight fight for the american people and not for not against mtg and epstein right like

00:04:50.240 it was like water off a duck's back real time uncensored unstoppable alexjoneslive.com

00:04:59.260 take a stand share the link

00:05:02.160 do you want to fight you better believe you got one

00:05:07.160 i'm being joined now by top pollster mark mitchell been looking to have you on for a while

00:05:14.560 been a huge fan for a very long time he's the founder and head pollster of the honest polling

00:05:18.720 company a new public opinion research firm dedicated to representing the american citizen

00:05:23.320 that's nice and a lot of people representing us right now it will conduct election prediction

00:05:27.940 and public sentiment polling, as well as written and video commentary without regard to powerful

00:05:32.940 interests, political parties and the Washington establishment. You were the former head of

00:05:37.300 polling at Rasmussen, which at one time I think was Trump's favorite polling place. Mark, thank

00:05:42.580 you for coming on. Yeah, really great to be here. It's awesome meeting you. I like the way you

00:05:48.060 think. I think we've shared a lot of each other's tweets over the last couple of months for certain.

00:05:52.760 Yeah, no, absolutely, man. And that's what I've that's why it's a joy for me to have you on

00:05:56.920 today i'm just taking i'm sick of people telling me that the the sky is uh red and that the grass

00:06:02.740 is blue and all this insane stuff we try to live in reality right and it really hurts my feelings

00:06:07.560 it hurts my soul as somebody as a 13 14 year old that got my dad to support trump right like no one

00:06:14.380 has quote unquote turned against the president or come out against the administration out of some 0.88

00:06:19.460 like perverse desire to have like islamic foot washing stations everywhere that's not the reality

00:06:24.100 Although they try to sell you that we were loyal to the message, to the mission, which was America first, making America great again, releasing the Epstein files, stopping the war, cheap energy prices, Americans first period in every single regard.

00:06:38.060 Mark, just what have you seen these past two years?

00:06:40.780 well let me rewind and ask were you one of the original frog guys because i have no problem

00:06:47.600 saying that i was as well because i understood the value of an outsider coming and and attacking

00:06:52.940 and acting as an avatar for the people against a rotten system right and so i was there yeah

00:06:58.120 no here's here's how i see it trump was given like a metaphysical sword like the sword of liberty the

00:07:04.100 lady of the lake like lady liberty gave him this sword and we gave him the sword we're lady liberty

00:07:08.840 Right. That's what America is. It's the people that voted for him. Right. And in 2024, he took that agenda, which was so perfect, so beautiful, and completely threw it to the wayside. So, yes, I was one of those original people. I recognized when I was sitting in Schlitterbahn Waterpark with my dad when I'm like 13, 14 years old, watching the first debate, looking at Jeb Bush and looking at Trump. I say that guy is going to be president. My dad goes, you're stupid. But I was right. And I worked on him for months and months and months. And I finally got him to the degree was like, OK, I can see it.

00:07:38.200 I see how he's going to win the primary.

00:07:39.640 I see how he's going to win the general.

00:07:41.000 And then he had him on his show.

00:07:42.460 You know what?

00:07:42.680 You bring it up.

00:07:43.740 So I go, I'm going to have to play the clip.

00:07:45.620 Play clip number 13, y'all.

00:07:47.400 Go ahead and play clip number 13.

00:07:49.900 Okay, great.

00:07:50.380 That was his, and mine is make America great again.

00:07:53.440 So there's a little bit of a difference, but.

00:07:55.080 My son, my son, you know, finally sold me on being a bigger supporter of yours.

00:07:58.680 I mean, I liked you, love Americana, you're pure Americana, but I'm still, you know,

00:08:02.160 it was research, but, but my 13 year old son's really smart.

00:08:04.340 He has a lot of research.

00:08:05.260 He watches all the debates.

00:08:06.380 He just really loves you.

00:08:07.280 He is on cloud nine that you're here, Rex Jones. And it was his question, you know, which president was your favorite.

00:08:14.560 So there's my proof that that's my that's that's my substitute soul reaper card.

00:08:20.520 OK, like that's that's I've been around for a while. I've cared about this stuff for a while, but I didn't care about it on the YMCA dance red tie level.

00:08:28.540 I cared about it because I finally saw somebody that came out there and said something different that wasn't promising me lies.

00:08:34.000 And the first election I remember watching was Romney versus Obama. And I paid very careful attention to it. I followed with the candidates. I learned who they were, learned about Mitt Romney, learned about Barack Obama, who, of course, I knew from 2008. And it just was so phony and so fake. And the energy wasn't there. I was like, what is this? We don't have a real choice. And it seems like we're back in that time period because it's not the Trump of 2016 that's challenging the power structure, challenging authority in some ways.

00:08:59.920 And always, I would say he's become the very epitome of the swamp.

00:09:04.740 Yeah, I think he's been captured by a ruling kleptocratic oligarchy is the way that I've

00:09:10.200 been saying it.

00:09:11.040 I don't want that to be the case.

00:09:12.880 And let me just say a little bit about political bias for people who aren't aware is that I'm

00:09:18.280 one of the few pollsters out there that will acknowledge that all pollsters actually are

00:09:21.940 biased.

00:09:22.500 But the whole point is like I talk and I give you my numbers and you can make your own

00:09:26.900 judgment about my numbers and the track record and how it holds up as well as how objective I'm

00:09:32.240 being about the things I talk about. And the reason the Trump administration was important

00:09:37.180 to me and why I have no problems talking about the fact that it was very objectively good for

00:09:44.060 America that Trump won in 2024 was because that all of his policies were more popular than he was.

00:09:49.780 This is the platform that America's wanted. Americans wanted economic reform. They wanted

00:09:54.520 the government held accountable. They really just want to return to order and a restoration

00:09:59.100 of the American dream. And so you have all these people that are now still part of MAGA who feel

00:10:05.080 kind of like they're on a sinking ship, to be honest with you, and unwilling to jump off,

00:10:10.280 not really understanding that criticism of Trump is really the only way that you have

00:10:16.900 to create a feedback loop in order to try and get him back on track for the things that Americans

00:10:23.020 voted for. And it has not really objectively worked very well. I mean, we saw the wheels

00:10:28.880 start to come off really around Liberation Day and Operation Midnight Hammer, and then the Epstein

00:10:33.520 stuff, and then the stuff he said in October and November. And each of these things ratcheted up

00:10:38.240 the concern, again, not in your person who voted for Romney and was happy about it, but in your

00:10:44.680 person that desperately wanted the people inside the Republican Party, like Romney, like Ryan,

00:10:49.700 to be punished the same way that trump was doing in those early debates and and that's when he won

00:10:55.560 me over you know it was like i want to see the republican party treated with the same disrespect

00:11:00.220 that trump treated all those people in the word i remember is wrecking ball i remember everyone

00:11:07.060 saying yeah he's going to be a wrecking ball for the system yeah you had michael moore say he was

00:11:12.520 going to be a molotov cocktail or something along those lines rolled down the aisle of congress

00:11:17.500 And it's like we can objectively say, well, I will admit that in 2016, my opinion of what was required for a person in the executive was a lower bar.

00:11:28.840 Like we are in a much worse place than we were back then.

00:11:31.580 But I would also say, I think objectively, and the voters agree with me, you know, everybody but about like over 50 percent of Republicans, everybody else says that this administration is worse than the original Trump administration.

00:11:43.980 Right.

00:11:44.420 So he doesn't even have all these Republicans on board. And by a margin of 50 percent to 33 percent, Americans say that he's delivered on his promises less than recent presidents, 50 to 33 percent.

00:11:58.740 So, I mean, you could bring up his approval rating, which is probably around 40, 41 percent, depending on the poll.

00:12:04.980 But there's this aspect of like he isn't delivering on what he promised.

00:12:09.980 And this is like you can argue about the level of deportations every month, and that would be a valid argument.

00:12:16.120 But that's not the way public opinion works.

00:12:17.920 You do not get to pick and choose what you get credit for.

00:12:21.980 And when you have a really hard time being a national leader and staying on message for your agenda that had a mandate, then you are going to piss off a lot of people.

00:12:33.180 They're going to feel like you're putting other interests first.

00:12:35.080 They're going to feel betrayed.

00:12:36.040 They're going to feel like you're not the same human.

00:12:38.500 We actually saw these things very early in the second Trump administration.

00:12:42.780 Remember Zuckerberg?

00:12:44.060 Everybody, including most Democrats, was like, why is Zuckerberg funding elections?

00:12:49.100 That's not right.

00:12:49.840 It was almost an 80% position to get this guy's money out of elections, and then he was one of the first people that got invited to wine and dine.

00:12:57.700 That's like 1890s Gilded Age plutocrat behavior, and you've seen it over and over again.

00:13:02.900 And that's so key to point out, and I've been saying this often.

00:13:05.520 History often rhymes, 1929 Great Depression.

00:13:08.220 It feels like we're in the Golden Age, really a Gilded Age, right?

00:13:11.080 And I think you described perfectly the psychosis, which is you'll criticize a policy.

00:13:15.820 It's like, hey, I'm anti-war.

00:13:17.420 I want cheap energy.

00:13:18.500 I want America to be first. And when you say those things, they go, stop attacking the president. And you go, well, if that counts as attacking the president to you, don't you understand that you're seeing it through the lens of your defending your dear leader instead of standing for what we all voted for?

00:13:33.100 yeah i i mean one of the conversations that sticks out to me most that i had with your dad

00:13:41.020 is about whether trump had said well he wants to be on mount rushmore and i think it's important

00:13:47.440 to point out that there are two republican presidents on mount rushmore one of them's

00:13:50.760 lincoln and he suspended habeas corpus and fought the civil war and emancipated the slaves and it's

00:13:57.160 like okay like good job buddy like you deserve it the other one is teddy roosevelt and apparently

00:14:03.060 Trump really likes Teddy Roosevelt. I haven't been there, but apparently he has the Teddy

00:14:07.740 Roosevelt room designed really nicely. And this guy inherited a very similar situation. He had

00:14:14.640 a degradation of the American culture due to a mass influx of immigrants who were undercutting 1.00

00:14:21.160 wages. He had a concentration of wealth and power. He had basically oligarchs popping up everywhere, 1.00

00:14:27.940 oligarchies they literally were writing songs back in the 1890s and 1900s uh popular songs about

00:14:34.300 how monopolies needed to be busted up and like you know the hand that holds the bread there are

00:14:39.380 some like you know this is a major part of what they were dealing back there with back then is

00:14:45.420 that basically your american citizen had absolutely no economic power or freedom because these people

00:14:51.860 were making backroom smoke-filled deals and that's the way the government was run and you know what

00:14:56.580 he did is he came in and said you know what no america is supposed to be fair and everybody

00:15:01.240 needs a square deal you know what i mean it can't just be like you know survival of the fittest

00:15:06.760 capitalism and expect things to to come out okay and people called him the great regulator because

00:15:13.700 he thought that the government's role was to regulate everything and make sure that there

00:15:18.060 was opportunity for people and right now you know it's great we had trump as an economic populist

00:15:23.320 But if you go to literally any Republican on the Hill in a think tank on a staffer position and ask them, do we want more or less regulations?

00:15:33.720 They would say, well, obviously, we need to deregulate.

00:15:36.740 And it's like, really?

00:15:39.140 You know what I mean?

00:15:39.860 Like, has that worked out for us over the last 40 years?

00:15:43.280 No, it has done free trade and globalization and offshoring.

00:15:46.540 But like 99 cents out of every dollar that gets spent of Republican donor bucks that goes to think tanks for economics is all to support those self same ideologies that have, in my opinion, assisted the Democrats in hollowing out the middle class for the last 30 or 40 years.

00:16:04.800 And so I had the chance, as I talked about with your dad, to talk with Trump and say almost a year ago that he was going to lose.

00:16:15.120 And if he couldn't stay on focus with the economic populist and government reform mandate, and it's like every day you have to wake up and hammer that.

00:16:26.060 And you could get away with other stuff. You could probably have gotten away with Iran if it hadn't done damage to the global economy. 0.93

00:16:32.420 but it just hasn't been a focus it's not what he's interested in and it's not what the people 0.95

00:16:37.580 who surround him are interested in it's not what's fox news certainly is interested in fox news is

00:16:43.440 one of their jobs in my opinion is to run cover for the the the republican leaning it's like north

00:16:49.060 it's like north korea media let's just be honest it's like hail the dear leader he makes the birds

00:16:54.020 sing in the morning he played a perfect game of golf when he was five years old and it seems to

00:16:58.700 me and you're the expert in this this is what i want to ask you it seems to me there's one

00:17:02.520 demographic in this country specifically the boomers the older people that have fallen for

00:17:06.460 this hook line and sinker and what i think it comes down to is like i'm 23 about to be 24 years

00:17:11.640 old i look at people that are millennials i look at people that are gen x and although they had a

00:17:16.080 longer period in the country where things were truly good and things were cheap and you really

00:17:19.860 had that advancement still the vestiges of the american dream uh we've all grown up or grown old

00:17:25.940 in a time period where the country is really declining and it seems like there's this one

00:17:29.480 group that is both insulated enough because of stock market purchases because of homes because

00:17:34.240 of xyz they've had time to get established where they can take the pain of the war they can take

00:17:39.140 the pain of the bad economy and they can justify it by saying i remember the america of the 1970s

00:17:44.360 1980s we were the true global hegemon we're the true kings and queens of earth we could go around

00:17:49.840 like roman citizens with our passports and do whatever we want and i think they still have

00:17:54.240 this perception of america as being in that 20th century time period when we're at we're a nation

00:17:59.980 that's been at war for over 30 years we're a nation that's in 40 trillion dollars of debt

00:18:04.600 we're a nation that's taken on tens of millions of illegal migrants we've we're a nation that's

00:18:08.820 expanded h1b programs we got people flooding in from all over the planet all over the world

00:18:13.580 and you have americans that not only vote for trump but a majority he wins the popular vote

00:18:19.440 in 2024, running on securing the border, no new wars, peace through strength, economic stability.

00:18:25.660 And I just see all four of those pillars as totally violated. And I think it does stem

00:18:29.760 from that population of older folks. I want to show crew, if we can get this up footage of this

00:18:35.500 latest rally. And it's the same thing I noticed about Byron Donald's, the same thing I noticed

00:18:39.840 about Ed Gowron. You go to these rallies or you watch videos of these rallies, the median age is

00:18:44.940 probably 75 years old. And I just I want to play this clip of this this rally and this lady talking

00:18:50.500 about her views on Trump here. Let's roll those back to back. I want to support our president. 0.91

00:19:01.200 He needs our support now more than ever, because he's got a fight on his hands against communism,

00:19:07.200 against liberal, far leftist. He's got to know that the American people still support him.

00:19:13.540 So I look back at 2024 where the back of the Democratic Party was broken. Joe Biden live on air 404 error code steam shooting out of his ears. Sparks coming out. He implodes Kamala Easter Bunny. Exactly. Dapping up the Easter Bunny. And then you got Kamala Harris, who is soundly defeated. You have the Republicans in ascendancy. I thought they were going to reign for a thousand years.

00:19:35.520 But now the only people that are still able to justify what the administration is doing, they're just parroting the talking points. And it's like, hey, you're afraid of the communists, right? Hey, you're afraid of the socialists, right? They're coming in to get you. These people were destroyed merely two years ago. Now they're in ascendancy within the youth simply because the older population, specifically the 60 out of 99 senators that are boomers that struck down the War Powers Resolution, our President Trump born in 1946, they're focused on their old worldview. What's your opinion of that?

00:20:04.980 I mean, this is the fight of the entire future of the right that we're talking about, and it is 100% true. 0.86

00:20:12.040 Now, before I get into the age discussion, I want to be very clear is that these are directional trends, and by no means are all boomers like this. 0.74

00:20:21.020 Sure.

00:20:21.120 There is really kind of like a break point at around the age 50, and it really is kind of like, did you grow up with the internet or not, is what separates a lot of this.

00:20:29.600 Do you watch Fox News, or are you on Twitter?

00:20:31.620 It very much, in my opinion, and the polling supports it, affects what these people care about.

00:20:37.240 Now, so what you're seeing now is that Trump undermined a 2024 coalition that included a lot more Democrats, independents, socialists, brown people, just a lot more of those kind of folks, young people, than your average Republican electorate has been.

00:20:57.040 Right. You got about 60 million of these boomers and silence and older Gen X's that will turn out no matter what for a Republican ticket. 0.76

00:21:04.180 And in fact, Trump probably lost some of them because he wasn't presidential or whatever. 0.89

00:21:07.360 Right. And those people do support mass deportations.

00:21:11.060 They do support like most MAGA things.

00:21:13.680 They will talk about wanting to be put first economically.

00:21:17.620 But at the same time, they're also more likely to do things like support the wars.

00:21:22.360 Like there's about 60 percent of current Republicans that do support the wars and stuff like that and do say that Trump is still doing a great job.

00:21:31.040 And a lot of it is because either, again, their news consumption patterns or because they're not aware of how bad it is for the youth or because they it doesn't affect them.

00:21:40.500 Right. And these people are very pro-capitalist.

00:21:43.600 And what you're seeing is that the under 40 voter now, socialism and capitalism are tied.

00:21:48.940 In fact, socialism wins under 40. It's tied with the 40 to 50 rules, right? Now, everybody thinks we live in a capitalist system, but the under 40 voters overwhelmingly by almost a seven out of 10 in margin think that our current capitalist system is unfair to young people.

00:22:05.240 And we know why we have tons of polling. And obviously, it's about their inability to get good paying jobs. And it's about the housing market. And it's and if you look at things like housing market, there is a very big incentive to lean into sort of the boomer side of that equation.

00:22:19.800 and as trump has done multiple times and as i told him it was unwise to do and i'm not saying

00:22:25.720 like crash the housing market but again it's like this is about how you talk about the future of

00:22:31.040 the country under republican governance he brags about it and the things that he said you're just

00:22:35.540 saying like you're telling these people there's no room for you in the future that republicans

00:22:40.300 envision that's what they're hearing and it's the same on the war same on h1b's student visas like

00:22:45.560 at all of these things. The 50-year mortgage was a slap in the face. But my point is,

00:22:51.900 is everything I'm talking about is about messaging. It's not about whether you did or

00:22:55.980 did not bring down the price of eggs. It's about whether you're going to actually come out and

00:23:00.960 support workers and appear to be at least somewhat inconvenient to large corporations who have gotten

00:23:07.380 their way over and over again. And the problem is, is that the older people, again, love capitalism, 0.93

00:23:12.280 think it's been working think trump can do no wrong and don't really care about the under 40

00:23:16.940 messaging and i will say like on some of these things are catching up so like we just asked

00:23:21.700 about israel versus palestine support not too long ago and only 34 of people support israel now

00:23:28.680 it's in the low 20s i think i think it was 24 among zoomers but the boomers are down to uh 52

00:23:36.760 And so they've come a long way. Like we're getting to a place where a lot of them sort of are like, quote unquote, waking up. But the problem is, is it's like you have this like voting preference, you know, what becomes the the core of the party's message. 0.97

00:23:53.400 And right now, what we're seeing is because we haven't had that great of a Trump second term, objectively, based on the polling, that they're reverting their messages to unhelpful, boomer-focused messages that are going to make the ability to get these youth back into the coalition very hard. 0.63

00:24:11.860 Yes. 0.53

00:24:11.940 And just to give you an example, it's like those people are crazy socialists, and they want to put you in a ditch and shoot you, and it's an existential fight between conservatism and socialism.

00:24:23.180 I'm sorry, but the under 40 voter, half of the voters that went to Trump under 40 say they would support socialists and they actually overwhelmingly support socialistic policies like wealth redistribution.

00:24:36.080 They just do.

00:24:36.760 They want capitalism and they're not socialists, but they say they would vote for somebody branded as a socialist.

00:24:44.160 And so, like, it's a very nuanced thing to unpack. 0.96

00:24:47.140 So it's like you look at Hassan Piker and he does want to put you in a ditch and shoot you. 0.98

00:24:50.820 He does. 0.95

00:24:51.200 And some of these DSA candidates are 100% Marxist Trojan horses. And some of their voters are insane and violent. They absolutely are and are socialists and want the state to run the economy. But not most of them. Most of them are saying socialist because they just think that that's why like, you know, Norway has good health care, right? Like that's what they really want. And most of the people under 40 are not ideological. 0.99

00:25:17.420 Like you say conservatism to them. They're like, well, screw you. Conservatism doesn't work. Why would I support it? What these people are is they want accountability and brutal action. And so when you look at all these things like like Doge was most popular with the under 40 voter arresting people for things like the auto pen or the rate of Mar-a-Lago, like overwhelmingly, the younger people are more likely to want arrests blowing up narco boats. 0.99

00:25:44.220 It was most popular with people under 40. And so when you say, well, we have to be a constitutional conservative country and you know what I mean?

00:25:53.460 And but like there's there's so many problems what's going on. So now it's like let me come in here really quick.

00:25:58.980 It's really about getting back on message, right? Like that's what people like they say, criticize Trump.

00:26:04.020 I really am against Trump now. I have to be honest because I think he's aiding and abetting a genocide that Netanyahu is doing.

00:26:08.860 You talk about fighting the cartels. We spent over $100 billion, not including destroyed bases, radars, planes, missile defense, air interceptors, blah, blah, blah. We spent over $100 billion fighting a 39-day war with Iran. Why can't we fight the cartel in Mexico? Why can't we fight the cartel in South America? That's not the priority. And I think it's key to point out, you talk about oligarchy earlier, we live in a mixed economy. 0.55

00:26:32.860 This is not capitalism. When the government owns NVIDIA, when the government invests in AI and does all these things, that ultimately is the kleptocracy oligarchy that you're talking about. So when you tell young people this is capitalism, when it's really not, when you tell young people this is the fight against communism, when it's really not, it's about enriching and grifting, right, for the administration, in my view.

00:26:53.040 when that is the the messaging of course you're going to have young people that don't know

00:26:57.100 anything about politics they're going to sign up with this on piker because at least he's saying

00:27:00.980 something different and ultimately what it comes down to i like this analogy that lady the lake

00:27:05.360 that gave trump that sword it was a weapon okay it was a weapon to slash the swamp to defeat the

00:27:10.280 swamp and he turned around and he used that blade on us but before so in 2016 2020 of course his

00:27:16.560 entire thing of calling out the leftist from day one he used that same sword on them so they were

00:27:21.560 wounded in a justifiable way but now they can say look at my wound you have the same wound from the

00:27:26.680 same sword don't you want to pledge yourself to me and my banner and this is why i really think

00:27:31.220 we do need that new side of the right the tucker mtg joe kent wing to really come forward to make

00:27:36.320 themselves prominent because they can say hey we were wounded by this same weapon and we were

00:27:40.720 wounded in an unjustifiable way just like you were we were loyal to the promises of the administration

00:27:45.340 we were loyal to peace through strength no new wars bring an economic prosperity back

00:27:49.400 And instead of getting that, we were kicked out of Congress. We had to resign on principle X, Y, Z. I mean, look at him up there. He was given that blade by the American people, the Lady of the Lake, Lady Liberty. And he turned around and he rammed that sword through our gut. And the only people that don't see it that way are over the age of 50. And that's kind of just the reality. And I've done these street interviews. I've talked to these people and they'll say, Iran is the evil theocracy. We must do anything to stop them because the Ayatollah runs around with the club and box women on the head.

00:28:17.940 in reality we're 47 years yeah hold on it's a 47 year war but it's also not a war we might have 0.97

00:28:25.840 to fight it another 20 years though and you're like what i i thought we were going to stop foreign

00:28:30.440 wars i thought we were going to abolish foreign entanglements i thought we were actually going

00:28:33.300 to make maga uh make america great again have maga it's turned into mega make israel great again and

00:28:39.980 the president he he let it slip he said make iran great again i think we all really know what that

00:28:45.300 means. And it's really disgusting to me specifically as a young person, as someone that

00:28:49.180 wants to be an American, I want to have that like a Roman level of sovereignty to see my nation 0.89

00:28:54.280 brought low and made to fight these foreign wars, not just right now, but over the past 30 years

00:28:59.560 to ensure another country's regional and eventually global hegemony. And I think young

00:29:04.440 people are waking up to that. You had that poll talking about the Israel versus Palestine issue,

00:29:08.540 of course, and young people was a number again for that. Down to about one in four zoomers support 0.99

00:29:14.540 Israel over Palestine and Palestine, I think, was in the 40s. So overwhelmingly popular. A lot of 1.00

00:29:19.940 people are saying not sure. But the message is that inexorably over the last three years, Israel 0.84

00:29:24.920 has literally destroyed its support. Yes. To the level where, depending on the poll, four to one 0.62

00:29:30.220 people think five to one, I think it was Israel had too much influence in the Trump administration.

00:29:35.560 And that's a dangerous place to be. It simply put, it's live stream genocide. And the thing is, 0.67

00:29:40.520 when you have young people under the age of 50 that were raised with the Internet, know how to

00:29:43.740 use a cell phone it's undeniable the weapons that we give them what they use them for they murder

00:29:48.940 little children they carpet bomb cities and they want to say there's not a genocide they want to

00:29:53.700 say only 30 000 people have died but then 80 000 people have died in iran and they just throw these

00:29:59.100 numbers out like nobody's going to notice and i gotta say i mean i got a mexican friend who works

00:30:03.580 at a taco trump or taco truck voted for trump in 2024 i got my co-host tim tompkins a black guy

00:30:09.400 from new york who voted for trump after being a lifelong democrat you got those people on board

00:30:13.780 because they believed in the promise of actually having that peaceful prosperous nation and that's

00:30:18.240 the exact opposite of what we've gotten what do you think the moment was for trump where he truly

00:30:24.000 lost all that support was it operation midnight hammer with the young people was it the iran war

00:30:28.400 starting february 28th was it before that was it another policy what sticks out to you as a pollster

00:30:33.580 as a watershed moment let me just say one thing first i agree with 100 of what you're saying

00:30:40.900 and not all boomers think like that but the way the reason we single them out is because there

00:30:46.940 is a very specific set of boomer arguments which are colloquially referred to as the same set you

00:30:52.320 know the pull yourself up by your bootstraps iran has been in a war for 47 years with us

00:30:57.540 And the reason why there's a problem here is that because when you stack rank a video of murdering children against some Fox News generated boomer argument or somebody like Dan Bongino going out and doing Air Ninja against the Black Pillars, like, guess which one is going to win that argument?

00:31:17.900 And so there's an aspect of inauthenticity about this administration that makes them feel like a boomer focused administration because they're, yeah, they're like, they're referring to 20, 30, 40 year old talking points.

00:31:29.820 They're hearkening back to the days of 2003 when Republicans were all supposed to hate Muslims, but I'm old enough to remember when we had Muslims for Trump in Dearborn, Michigan and stuff like that.

00:31:39.720 Right. And everybody was all happy about that. And that was only two years ago. So something has flipped. 0.74

00:31:44.060 And I do think part of that is that we are there's the fourth turning coming. I think there's going to be a youth political revolution because about two million boomers die a year and about four million young people are added to the electorate every year.

00:31:57.820 That's like a 6 million vote net impact in an electorate that's only 150 million people, and it's going to accelerate.

00:32:04.680 And these people, again, the millennials specifically were brought up 9-11.

00:32:11.240 They were brought up through COVID.

00:32:12.920 They were brought up through all of the statist overreaches of the Biden administration.

00:32:17.040 They've seen a lot of psychological operations, and they are very, very, very good at spotting when somebody has somebody else's interest.

00:32:24.380 And so this is, in my opinion, one of the critical failures of the Trump administration. And your question about when did it happen? I think it was a very gradual process, right? And I think it's been some waking up.

00:32:34.820 Like, I think the first sign, like we all saw things like, oh, John Thune got selected.

00:32:40.740 OK, well, maybe it's not that bad.

00:32:42.140 Right.

00:32:43.020 Or, you know, like all the early stuff, it was definitely being overpowered by the Project

00:32:49.440 2025 executive orders is definitely being overpowered by the stuff that Elon had said.

00:32:54.960 But the first big rug pull was Doge because Doge said they're going to cut a trillion

00:32:58.820 dollars in deficit.

00:32:59.820 It had huge support.

00:33:00.980 72% of America wanted Doge style audits in every federal government.

00:33:04.820 And everybody thinks that the complete the government is just completely full of waste for an abuse.

00:33:09.380 That was the best thing Republicans ever had.

00:33:12.000 They had a 60 percent youth approval rating.

00:33:13.760 And as far as I can tell, Trump and Republicans killed Doge behind the scenes because they were not willing to deal with either the political blowback of firing federal workers.

00:33:24.500 But I think the young people wanted to drink the tears of federal workers.

00:33:27.700 And it was your MSNBC, Karen, who didn't like the idea of these people being fired.

00:33:31.720 I'm generalizing here.

00:33:33.120 um and like these people wanted a caesar in march these younger people wanted a caesar and trump

00:33:38.840 did have an opportunity as i told him because we asked a question about trump's quote does he

00:33:44.540 does he who saved his country violate no laws and i'm pretty sure it was close to 60 percent of the

00:33:50.580 under 40s that agreed with that but it was like maybe in the 30s among older people the older

00:33:54.880 people are like no the system still works and that's like ultimately the problem why there's

00:33:58.900 going to be a youth uprising because boomers in the silent generation hold pretty close to 65% 0.70

00:34:04.880 of the wealth in this country. But guess what? They also receive about 60% of the entitlement 0.97

00:34:10.220 programs. And so there's, you see the problem. Can I come in here? Yeah, I'm never getting these

00:34:16.560 entitlement programs. I'm not getting social security. I'm not getting Medicare. I'm not

00:34:19.740 getting Medicaid. And I understand why that is, but the average voter, average young voter doesn't

00:34:24.600 get that. And I want to come in and talk about this three takeaways from what you just said.

00:34:27.860 When we talk about the boomer thing, I understand not all boomers. We can't use it as a monolith. Got plenty of people that are older and awake and are also in the fight and want the truth and want to stop the wars and want to bring prosperity back to America. But the neocon spirit exists and was generated by that generation. This is the key. We were in ascendancy. We were the world hegemon after World War Two that their parents fought in. And it's kind of this stolen valor that was carried forward and they hold it over our head as an excuse. But we don't live in the same country anymore.

00:34:54.900 The demographics aren't the same. The culture is not the same. The spirit's not the same. And when you have somebody like Lindsey Graham and all these other never Trumpers who I know you remember because I remember as well, all these people who literally ran against Trump, who hated Trump, they are now the only people that he has left.

00:35:11.140 And this is what's truly shocking to the younger voter, right? I'm a fan of Thomas Massey. I'm a fan of MTG. I'm a fan of Tucker. These are Trump's, you know, not Massey, but MTG and Tucker. These are really Trump's most staunch, loyal people that he relied on and depended on during his darkest hour, during his darkest day.

00:35:27.500 And now all the same people that were laughing and clinking champagne glasses when he was indicted were saying he was going to go to jail forever.

00:35:34.720 Those people are now in the White House or on the phone with him or giving him orders.

00:35:39.140 And what you're really talking about here with all this stuff, with the youth getting upset enough to do something about it, is the super cycle.

00:35:45.360 You call it the fourth turning.

00:35:46.460 I like to call it the super cycle.

00:35:47.720 We're coming up against that now.

00:35:48.940 You can feel it.

00:35:49.880 You can taste it in the air.

00:35:51.160 And there are still people that are covering their hand in front of their eyes, and they can't see the writing on the wall.

00:35:57.500 it's obvious to you it's obvious to me because we cover this stuff every single day you at a much

00:36:01.660 deeper level uh is it undeniable at this point i mean something messy is going to happen because

00:36:08.760 all the metrics have just been getting worse and worse we got up to 43 percent of americans

00:36:12.960 thought a civil war was likely in the next couple of years and if you ask americans who their

00:36:18.260 biggest enemies are and include the republican and democrat party you get china democrats russia

00:36:23.940 than Republicans, basically, is how it shakes out, depending on when you ask the question.

00:36:28.000 Iran, by the way, is like fifth or sixth. Nobody cares about Iran, obviously, because they're 0.88

00:36:33.060 worried about domestic policy. They're worried more about domestic terrorism than foreign 0.84

00:36:37.060 terrorism by almost three to one. And it's like, I think what we're going to see, I think the young 0.91

00:36:42.440 people are smart enough to know this and are starting to pick this up, which is why we can

00:36:48.080 get to it. I'm very positive and optimistic about what Tucker's doing for a very specific reason.

00:36:53.940 But when they – I think it's fair to say that both establishment parties, the Republicans and Democrats, are owned by corporate interests. 0.72

00:37:02.940 They might have their pet industries, but they're both part of the uniparty kleptocracy.

00:37:06.940 So when people say uniparty, there is this red-blue kabuki theater specifically to maintain corporate status quo.

00:37:14.940 Now, there is in the presidency a lot of power to do things from a foreign policy perspective.

00:37:20.420 And so when you get a Democrat or Republican, those things, the pendulum does swing. And I think it's fair to say that the general impetus behind Democrat neoconservatism is the Bolsheviks that are anti-Stalinist Russia that still want to wage a land war with NATO and take over Russia because that's what we saw under Biden, right?

00:37:39.300 Right. And then under Republicans, it's increasingly Zionist neoconservatives who want to use their influence over the government to fight to blow up brown people in the Middle East, basically. Right. And so that is the system that we're captured under. And we're starting to see the tactics they use.

00:37:55.680 So the Bolsheviks will unhuman the right and call them MAGA extremists and shoot Charlie 0.99

00:38:02.380 Kirk and talk about how CEOs need to die. 0.99

00:38:06.520 And it's effective because the blue people drink up this brainwashing and they have this 1.00

00:38:11.740 violent tendency, but they're also very afraid of the right. 1.00

00:38:15.320 The left is more afraid of the right than the right is of the left. 0.96

00:38:18.480 And then on the right, what you have is basically, oh, they're all Muslims and all Muslims have 0.99

00:38:24.540 to go. And we, you know, like these things like, oh, they're socialists. They want to put you in 0.98

00:38:29.060 a ditch and shoot you. And so there's these very divisive scare tactics that I think have been

00:38:34.960 used partly out of expediency, partly to cover for their own failures, but also to make sure

00:38:40.720 that there isn't a threat to the status quo by some type of collaboration or coalition of

00:38:48.280 specifically, it would be the youth because they're more angry with the system. They have

00:38:53.420 less to live for. Increasingly, they're underemployed and they're not getting married

00:38:57.420 and they're a powder keg. And at the same time, they are not, again, a monolith. So remember,

00:39:04.080 the under 40 Trump voter is very socialistic and they're all very extreme in what level of force

00:39:11.160 they want applied in order to correct the system. I did some polling that showed that 55% of under

00:39:16.940 40 conservatives actually said they would support putting control of the legislative process in the

00:39:24.660 United States at a federal level in charge of an governed by an advanced AI. So they literally want

00:39:30.900 Mecca Hitler. Like that's, we talked about it on the show back in the fall. And so that's not

00:39:37.000 conservatives need to win and socialists need to go into a ditch. That is not what we're talking

00:39:41.560 about. And it's not even deport all Muslims because Sharia law is our biggest threat in America. 1.00

00:39:45.820 like these people see the government as a threat they see people getting away with murder at a

00:39:51.620 federal government level is a threat they see these big corporations as a threat and they don't

00:39:55.380 think the system works for them so now when you look at a tucker i think something very important

00:40:00.060 is going on because this is a fourth turning thing so we have a post-world war ii um era of

00:40:05.560 peace and harmony and social cohesion because we went through a major crisis and they formed the

00:40:10.860 people who did that formed strong institutions and they institutions tend to be focused on on

00:40:16.880 principles things like you know spreading democracy things like remembering the holocaust

00:40:23.340 and being uh free market conservatives and those things have failed like they're falling apart like

00:40:29.680 our our systems don't have integrity anymore and this is the cycle you're talking about

00:40:34.220 And so what happens is you get leaders from a younger generation who realize that these the core of our society has no morals and values and they build new institutions around morals and values.

00:40:46.780 So what did Tucker come out with? Everybody's like, well, there's no policies. How can how can you govern with that? Well, no, he put out the morals and values that many people can agree with.

00:40:56.680 And the reason I think like just to give you an example, that's very important, is that Trump had a policy, for instance, mass deportations.

00:41:02.900 And he didn't really say like, like, you know, he's like, we got to get them out and they're violent criminals.

00:41:08.020 And like he had reasons. Right. But I think a lot of people mapped onto that.

00:41:13.560 Well, it's because the rule of law or it's because it's fair and it's not fair to me that they're here.

00:41:19.360 And then it's like, OK, well, when he turns and no longer supports full deportations and actually supports a lot of these people who are hard workers and wants a path of amnesty for them, then clearly it wasn't about the fairness.

00:41:31.480 you know what i mean because now all of a sudden it's fairness to the illegal is what we're worried

00:41:35.880 about and so all of a sudden like this is what's driving these betrayals is that people mapped all

00:41:41.320 these morals and values the younger people onto trump's policies and it turns out that in many

00:41:46.240 cases it was just a load of crap that's super key elected that's super key the older voter has just 0.95

00:41:51.580 this faith in the system oh they're going to figure it out it's designed to work we're going 0.98

00:41:55.620 to have you know just this general evolution where things get better the young people say

00:41:59.400 general evolution where things get better things have gotten worse for my entire life and like

00:42:03.500 myself as a small business owner okay i sell retail goods i sell supplements i ship them

00:42:07.820 and manufacture them i do the whole thing nose to tail and consumer sentiment about buying products

00:42:13.380 is now basically at an all-time low and i'm seeing this where i was doing business under

00:42:18.160 biden i was mad at biden i thought it was bad i mean holy hell look at what we have now and i got

00:42:23.200 friends losing jobs i got friends losing family members to drugs all the same problems and they're

00:42:28.160 essentially just telling you to work harder and figure it out and it's like you're saying young

00:42:31.980 people aren't trying to vote for liberalism or conservatism they're either voting for like a

00:42:36.360 hassan piker communist land or mecca hitler and it's just it's a it's a completely foreign world

00:42:42.320 to somebody that was born immediately after world war ii in my view and opinion and here's why that 0.53

00:42:46.840 matters even more so than the voters that's who we have in office right now that's what the president

00:42:51.460 is what do you think about that it's 100 and it's going to change and it's going to change very fast 0.79

00:42:56.940 just like the other numbers, over 60% of our legislated federal representatives are boomers

00:43:05.020 or silent generation. I think it's like single digits are zoomers and millennials. It might be 0.65

00:43:10.460 over 10% now. Well, that's going to flip in about 10 years. And you're starting to see a cycle in

00:43:16.640 28 where you're going to have the first leading candidates for president are going to be millennials.

00:43:21.520 And that's going to be very new because we can all look at JD and say, well, depending on what

00:43:25.040 you think of him or even what his positions are he talks very differently than trump and he put

00:43:31.140 definitely is worried about young people and reflects this uh you know need to put the

00:43:36.980 constituent first and i think you could say that about the dsa people as well because

00:43:41.660 you know it's like people just don't get this but trump had a 60 approval rating with the under 40

00:43:47.160 voter and so did mom donnie six months later you know what i mean like it's just like you can call 0.99

00:43:52.480 a Muslim all you want but at the end of the day these young people are kind of tired of that crap 0.98

00:43:57.040 it's about populism it's about populism they want an America that works and I think they're 0.99

00:44:03.420 increasingly seeing through things like oh the LGBT culture war issue it's like fine yes a

00:44:09.260 majority of people are against transing the kids in the United States but at the end of the day

00:44:13.460 if that's going to be your platform Nancy Mace it's like you're not speaking to the things that

00:44:17.560 these people care about you just you're not so i mean like i don't know how republicans get them

00:44:23.400 out of this particular situation they're in because they basically like screwed the pooch

00:44:27.200 in a way that's going to be looked back as like just this legendary miscalculation of the american 0.63

00:44:32.880 people and it's like because of people like me like they had warning like i was you asked before

00:44:39.060 when did it really hit the fan so like doge people like uh and some people tuned out right

00:44:45.240 Then Liberation Day happened, and some people were like, oh, that's kind of chaotic, and some people tuned out.

00:44:50.060 But Trump did have a plus four net approval rating the day before Israel started the 12-day war in June of 2025, and it immediately went down to negative eight.

00:44:59.880 There was a 12-point drop in like a three-week period.

00:45:02.740 Now, it's hard to say it's all Operation Midnight Hammer because the one big beautiful bill was getting pushed through at the same time.

00:45:07.160 Nobody really cared, and then Epstein hit, and so Epstein was so bad.

00:45:11.720 this case closed. Pam Bondi has to be like some kind of like subversive agent because she had 1.00

00:45:18.440 some of the most egregious, symbolic counter signaling statements. Case closed was one of 0.99

00:45:24.320 them. And we went into the field and found out that only 20% of Republicans agree that the case

00:45:29.300 was closed. And it's like, everybody thinks there's wealthy and powerful people that are

00:45:34.240 predators that need to go to jail. It was like over 70%. That's what made me done with it. That's

00:45:38.860 what made me done with it for good forever that's what made me leave support of the administration

00:45:43.020 in any regard was hey you have cash patel dan bongino pam bondi like get cash patel dan

00:45:48.440 bongino specifically running on this to get their appointments and then you have pam bondi who says

00:45:52.860 i have the files on my desk i've seen the tapes the videos of thousands of hours of child porn

00:45:58.580 and they say oh epstein's not even a pedophile have you heard this

00:46:02.200 like we like my polling in my opinion showed that about five to ten percent of independents

00:46:10.100 just checked out and never came back from a trump approval perspective right after the epstein thing

00:46:14.600 and everybody was talking about it it's like and of course i was called to panic in everybody who

00:46:18.760 said something even again even though it was only a 20 position in the republican party

00:46:23.960 there was a coordinated online press by maga influencers and probably some foreign bots

00:46:29.020 to you know really like say no nothing to see here like we don't worry we're the Epstein's not

00:46:36.300 this isn't what people voted for remember like Trump never said Epstein and like it was just

00:46:42.460 obviously not going to work right and then there were other things along the way but by the time

00:46:47.280 I got to talk to Trump in November remember he had gone after Massey so hard and MTG that he

00:46:52.800 had basically made them the primary enemies of his administration yes and these were people that

00:46:57.880 like Americans, whether you like Massey or not, it's like, well, he did stand up for America with

00:47:02.380 the Epstein Transparency Act. And Marjorie Taylor Greene was like, oh, gee, MAGA. And it's like,

00:47:07.420 these things matter when you fight MTG and Massey more than you do John Thune, who's not putting

00:47:13.120 any of your legislative agenda through, like what's going on here when you're endorsing rhinos

00:47:19.340 up and down all these tickets and fighting MTG and Massey. So one of the things I said to Trump

00:47:23.820 It's like, listen, you have to present a coherent vision going forward of what Republican governance looks like.

00:47:29.360 You got to stop gaslighting people that it's the golden age already.

00:47:32.820 Just because like what you said, all of the consumer sentiment and all like there's a million poll numbers.

00:47:39.120 You know, 58 percent of Americans say that in the last 12 months they've changed their grocery shopping habits because they can't afford food anymore.

00:47:45.560 Like all these numbers are just egregiously bad.

00:47:48.040 So you're going to say we're in a golden age and then fight the very people that Americans are looking to for leadership because you're screwing up your own agenda.

00:47:57.500 And I told them, it's like, you got to fight, fight, fight for the American people and not for not against MTG and Epstein.

00:48:04.460 Right.

00:48:05.060 Like it was like water off a duck's back.

00:48:07.740 Like it just wasn't like it was no, no, of course I'm going to continue to fight.

00:48:10.960 They're my biggest enemy.

00:48:12.120 And so what we've seen since then is just this increasingly horrifying circular firing squad where there's there's grifters, foreign influence, and probably some like political action committee funded bots who are just very committed to making sure MAGA stays a very particular thing.

00:48:34.220 And I mean, it's just it's a cult now.

00:48:36.540 It's become a cult fully because what's the rule of the main what's the main rule of the cult?

00:48:40.500 You can't criticize the leader. Right. And you can't criticize Trump. And he attacks people like Tucker, MTG, my father, Thomas Massey. You just go down list. You name it. Everyone that he's tweeted about. And I'm about to read one of these tweets here. He attacks them in the same way that he attacks the Democrats like they're equivalent.

00:48:56.540 And when you do that to an independent voter, if it was a Tucker that brought him in or an Alex Jones that brought him in or Thomas Massey that brought him into the coalition, like, wow, you're ragging on my favorite person that sold me you as a political product because they believed in your platform.

00:49:11.960 And now you've completely divorced yourself from that political platform. You're attacking them. You're attacking the Democrats. Why should I care about anything the GOP ever has to say again?

00:49:20.880 you made a key point earlier i'm going to read this tucker or tweet about tucker mtg in a second

00:49:24.860 from the president where he says praise allah to tucker mtg and massey we'll get into that what

00:49:30.020 are we doing man i know it did dude it's it's like waking up every day and being on hallucinogenic

00:49:34.660 drugs watching is this not insane like we were not expecting this right this is the guy that was

00:49:42.200 the the king of twitter right you cannot be the king of twitter without astutely understanding

00:49:48.760 public opinion and like learning from the feedback loop that is an open dialogue he is in an echo

00:49:54.700 chamber quite objectively i think right now because remember in 2016 who is he fighting he

00:49:59.660 was fighting obama he was fighting neoconservatives and he's fighting rosie o'donald on twitter

00:50:05.100 those were the people he was fighting and now it's like like your dad and tucker like what are

00:50:10.660 we doing here like what are this is who his biggest enemies are right now and the biggest

00:50:15.200 rift, I hate to say it, but the biggest rift between the people who are on his list of enemies

00:50:19.660 and the people who are on his side now, his friends, is one little postage stamp in the

00:50:26.100 Levant. Like, that's the problem, in my opinion. Yes, it's a problem where we have the kabuki

00:50:31.840 theater, like you say, of all the Democrats and Republicans. We're going to we're going to mess

00:50:35.840 each other up. But then when Netanyahu comes to town, he gets nine standing ovations and they

00:50:40.380 don't agree on anything else. They don't agree on anything else. But when he comes to town,

00:50:44.180 They all stand up and they clap like seals because, in my opinion, that's who really runs the U.S., at least our foreign policy.

00:50:50.340 They take us to war.

00:50:51.580 Mark, another country took us to war.

00:50:53.480 Marco Rubio, and I quote, Israel was going to attack.

00:50:57.000 We feared American soldiers would die in the retaliation. 0.96

00:50:59.440 So we had to join in.

00:51:00.520 It was only going to be 24 to 48 hours.

00:51:03.280 That's literally the stated explanation as to why 18 American soldiers are dead now, over 500 soldiers, most of them severely injured with traumatic brain injury.

00:51:12.980 like ultimately they want to blame us the people that were loyal to the ideology and the mission

00:51:17.820 of MAGA that we voted for in 2024 the campaign ads that are going to be run I want to talk to

00:51:22.840 you about this of the coffins coming home of Trump saying I like it when inflation goes up

00:51:27.400 I like it that houses are more expensive I like that uh it's good for the economy essentially

00:51:32.560 everything bad that's happening you put that in a commercial people that don't know anything about

00:51:37.540 politics are going to hear that and it's going to piss them off right yeah I didn't even think

00:51:42.360 about some of those because there's an even more egregious one that's coming and the Democrats have

00:51:46.960 been preparing it for a very long time what is it so you have the Epstein Transparency Act that

00:51:51.980 was signed by Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey it was bipartisan and the Democrats voted for it right

00:51:58.900 and Trump came out hostile against the Epstein Transparency Act and his DOJ didn't even actually

00:52:05.480 follow the law as far as releasing everything I think it could be said right and so they very

00:52:11.420 predictably created an issue out of this they're calling trump the epstein class and he's surrounded

00:52:15.940 by a lot of billionaires he looks like a plutocrat he behaves like one with the ballroom and the

00:52:21.340 fixation on these these things the billions as well of grifting yeah and so yeah and and and and

00:52:27.800 and they're raising money right and so he's creating his own problem here where i think

00:52:33.360 what we're going to see is that for over a year they've been preparing real investigations into

00:52:38.260 corruption within the trump administration and so they're going to start dropping i heard september

00:52:42.900 1st i think what did axios run a story or somebody's talked about how rocanna said this

00:52:47.440 stuff is coming out and they've they're going to go after apparently the foreign business deals

00:52:52.480 with the trump family they're going to subpoena the corporations involved in some of these

00:52:58.060 they're going to go after what happened in antitrust i think they might go after the

00:53:02.000 pardon sales i don't know but like when you when you run an ad and it's like look at this epstein

00:53:08.480 class trump fought this release and he's surrounded by billionaires and all he cares

00:53:14.280 about is billionaires and not you and they're stealing from you and here's why that's going

00:53:19.380 to be really damaging and they created that like situation themselves and it's like like you

00:53:26.720 literally gave it to the democrats on the silver platter like this isn't they had to leak some call

00:53:31.320 with Zelensky and Nancy Pelosi had enough votes to put together some like dog and pony show like

00:53:39.160 they have a plan and they've learned not to impeach Trump Trump's out there saying they're

00:53:43.340 going to impeach him I think that they would be wise not to and literally just decimate his entire

00:53:48.640 administration with these horrible things and it'll be like trust us we're the government and

00:53:54.820 he's an outsider and he stole everything and the billionaires are bad and vote for Democrat

00:53:58.820 a socialist like it'll be that kind of thing this is my question okay what is the pardon mean because

00:54:04.040 he said oh the the pardon is the most powerful thing that i have and uh there's been a lot of

00:54:08.520 implication made in the past about the auto pin going after biden going after fauci all these

00:54:13.580 reasons i think that would be low-hanging fruit right 2014 that pardon starts for anthony fauci

00:54:18.520 why is he pardoned in 2014 well that's when the payment started going from eco health alliance to

00:54:22.920 the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a la COVID-19. But in my opinion, in my view, he can't ever call

00:54:29.760 those into question because he doesn't want his called into question. What do you think about the

00:54:33.240 potential of that? Well, I would I would issue a challenge to Trump. And first, let me say Fauci

00:54:39.220 is actually even still more popular than the people that conducted the auto pen thing. If you

00:54:44.160 explain to people the auto pen pardon and then ask if those people should be arrested or not, 0.70

00:54:48.280 especially the young people, it's a strong majority. So there's still people who like

00:54:51.860 trust fauci believe it or not like not all of them right but but like this is an easier one

00:54:56.620 right it's like we know this it went through house oversight committee they they gave criminal

00:55:01.540 referrals i think to the doj about the ardent uh pardon the pardon autopend thing and nothing

00:55:07.160 happened well one can only conspiratorially wonder why the the sitting president wouldn't want to

00:55:13.120 undermine his own pardon power right but here's here's a person who hasn't been pardoned uh

00:55:18.720 Mayorkas has not been pardoned oh yes

00:55:20.800 Alejandro Mayorkas

00:55:21.940 yeah and he objectively

00:55:24.160 managed the largest

00:55:26.480 violation of US national sovereignty

00:55:28.820 in the history of our nation 0.99

00:55:31.040 right like that was him

00:55:33.020 why don't we see him in front of

00:55:34.920 like what are we doing

00:55:36.380 if you can't get that guy

00:55:38.200 and like this is on top of like the Brennans of the world

00:55:40.960 right it's like you haven't even

00:55:42.840 heard that name Mayorkas why is

00:55:44.460 that why have we not heard

00:55:46.820 anything about that guy and it's like okay not in the interest of the the people who backed the

00:55:52.520 republican party to actually really get to the bottom of any of these things and i think what

00:55:57.620 we're seeing again is still theater unfortunately to maintain the status quo has trump always been

00:56:02.600 this person no but i think in the last year or two again it's it's like i don't want to blame

00:56:08.720 him too hard like i i'm sure it would have captured everybody but like he's just i think you can see

00:56:14.940 Yeah, my reality with this, I just got to go deep and dark with it, because I think that's where the truth is on this. I think when he gets shot at in Butler, Pennsylvania, I think that was supposed to kill him. I think immediately after that, he probably got a call and they said, listen, we can do this again. 100, 200, 500 times. You'll never be safe. Your family will never be safe. Don't you want to make a lot of money, Mr. Trump? Don't you want to be president?

00:56:35.740 Yeah, exactly. Plata or Plomo, a la Pablo Escobar. That's a great point to make. And I think he took the money. And I think it's obviously financially, I think he's enriched himself between two to four billion dollars. He took the money. I think it's obvious with that kind of echo chamber circle that he's rolling with now that he took the money. And can you blame him? I think you can, because if you take that job, you're not just doing it to be the boss of America. You represent all of us. We the people.

00:57:00.780 okay we have a representative democracy a constitutional republic and you got to be that

00:57:05.600 man in the arena and that's what he always purported himself to be when you say fight fight fight what

00:57:09.920 that really means is i'm willing to die if you're truly willing to die if you're truly willing to

00:57:14.460 put your life out there on the line then i think you deserve to be the american president i don't

00:57:18.380 think we've had one of those guys in quite a long time i think trump was probably the first guy in

00:57:22.400 quite a long time that was directly threatened but in the reality i want to go ahead and throw

00:57:26.440 this tweet up the uh praise be to Allah first Alex who wrote man in the arena by the way Teddy

00:57:31.520 Roosevelt oh okay yeah that guy again exactly that that's a that's a great point I want to go

00:57:38.000 ahead and throw this up the uh Trump tweet this is like lame duck stuff man this is just sad at

00:57:42.940 this point when I see this it doesn't give me like a big oomph like he like it did when he came out

00:57:47.260 against my dad the first time or Tucker the first time now everyone sees this and they roll their

00:57:51.840 eyes. I don't know. Try to find the Trump meme where he's where he's crying a little bit and

00:57:56.380 he's got like a long screed of paper. If we can throw that up, this is just something I look at

00:58:01.440 it and I just go, man, your nickname Marjorie Trader Green or Marjorie Taylor Brown because

00:58:07.380 Green turns to Brown under stress. That's that's not funny in the nursing home.

00:58:12.880 I don't I don't care what you say. I'll read a little bit of it. Tucker Carlson just met with

00:58:17.420 lightweight former congress congressman congresswoman uh tom oh okay thomas massey and

00:58:22.920 marjorie taylor green losers all tucker's views and quotations have fallen through the floor

00:58:27.860 that's not true at all tucker's bigger than ever and will only get worse nobody cares about him

00:58:32.900 any longer this is projection confession by projection and that he has become totally

00:58:37.460 irrelevant and happens to be surprisingly a very low iq individual he could barely get out of 0.97

00:58:42.420 college let's talk about wharton business school and maybe he didn't but only really dumb people 0.90

00:58:46.820 can't make it through that wonderful four-year time in life that's just showing his privilege

00:58:49.920 man because i didn't go to college i actually didn't have that opportunity tucker wants to

00:58:53.720 run for political office but he should have been required to take a cognitive test he's got no

00:58:57.640 chance but he could probably take a couple of points away from whatever republican ticket happens 0.98

00:59:01.680 to be tucker is a loser and always has been well it was if he was always a loser why was he your 0.79

00:59:06.520 friend trump and i i just i want to pause there what do you think about that does that still have 0.98

00:59:11.440 any bite anymore to anybody in like the polling world statistically like is this just for the

00:59:16.160 over 50 demographic so if you take any standalone pollster in order to have an apples and apples

00:59:24.280 comparison like a new york times or an emerson and you take trump's current approval rating

00:59:29.900 and compare it to george w bush's 2006 approval rating at the same time what you're going to see

00:59:35.480 is like within a point they're in the same place and he was a nicer person you know what i mean

00:59:40.540 like i think we could all agree and maybe that particular war was a little bit more unpopular

00:59:45.120 so there are some offsets but we're essentially looking at somebody i mean bush left the uh final

00:59:52.920 month of his office with like a 32 approval rating or something like really down there so this could

00:59:58.340 get a lot worse and i think we're seeing things like this that show that it might because again

01:00:03.000 remember 10 years ago it would have been one sentence long it would have been deadly smart

01:00:09.240 It would have been focused on an actual enemy.

01:00:13.560 And what we're doing here is basically chopping off our own appendages.

01:00:17.220 And so it's like you can argue about whether Tucker Carlson has more or less viewers than he's ever had, but he's still got millions.

01:00:24.480 And so you're basically picking an enemy of people who should be the safest part of your coalition, right?

01:00:30.980 And then look at that, and it's like throw it through an AI and ask an AI to pick objective adjectives that describe the tone of that.

01:00:39.240 And I think you'll see things like petty and thin skinned and like divisive and insular. 0.66

01:00:46.420 Like, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:00:47.080 It's just all the things.

01:00:48.020 And there's no substance.

01:00:49.240 There's no substance.

01:00:50.380 He's not able to criticize him on anything because what they're loyal to are his old

01:00:54.340 policies. 1.00

01:00:55.000 So he can just call you a loser, call you a traitor, call you low IQ, call you dumb, 1.00

01:00:59.600 but it's chopping the nose off to spite the face. 1.00

01:01:02.620 Wouldn't you agree?

01:01:03.240 Even they're loyal to the underlying values of his old policies, which means that they're continuing to support what he originally represented.

01:01:16.740 Right. You know what I mean? And it's like, again, are it's not going to go one way or another.

01:01:22.440 You're just you're just splitting the movement here and you're making it more demoralized.

01:01:27.080 And there is a case to be made based on the polling that the Republicans are going to underperform because most of these polls in the generic ballot that have a Democrat lead of on average about seven points, it's narrowed a little bit.

01:01:40.860 It's back to Democrat plus seven.

01:01:43.980 You know, most of those are registered voters.

01:01:46.180 They're not really looking at likely voter behavior.

01:01:47.980 They're not layering on top of that.

01:01:49.880 The fact that Democrat voters have a 10 point, very enthusiastic lead and that they've been crushing turnout across the board and Democrat primaries and that they Democrats have outperformed the polling in almost every special election that we've had since the 2024 election.

01:02:06.720 And so again, tough to predict what might happen, but we're going to see a lot of negative stuff come out about Republicans in the Trump administration between now and November. I don't think it's fair to say that we're going to see some resurgence of a cohesive feeling of momentum, which is what Trump would need in order to outperform the polling. And so in my opinion, the case is going to be made that these are like solid pickups of the Democrat House and then probably the Senate, but he never had the Senate anyways. And the House is where all the action is going to be.

01:02:34.700 That's literally what I was going to ask you is your opinion on 2026 and then 2028 moving forward. Where do you see kind of the like widening political field? Is there some sort of bloodbath in the White House? Heard Fuentes talk about this, the idea of people saying, hey, I'm going to go work for Rubio's campaign. Hey, I'm going to go work for Vance's campaign. Hey, I'm just going to get out of here because it's getting too hot.

01:02:55.540 I think it's getting a little hot in that White House. And I think specifically, like I'm a politics and war guy. I cover a lot of geopolitics. This has been a very like domestic policy heavy show for me today, like thinking about the American people, because when I think about the American people, I think about the war because the war is undeniable.

01:03:12.000 They say it's not a war, but it's been going on for 47 years. Might need to stay in another 20 years to finish it, but it's already over. So it doesn't even matter. The four latest deaths in the war, Michael, Sarah, Tyler and Angel, they didn't die in Operation Epic Fury. That's what Trump says. He says, hey, you know, it's a military operation, but it's not even a military operation and it's not even a war, but it's also a war.

01:03:33.200 I think you reach a level where the fallout in the midterms is going to be so extreme that that message is going to be seen by people in the administration as undeniable and like they can't be a part of it anymore.

01:03:44.600 I think that's when you're really going to start to see the splintering.

01:03:46.780 What is your opinion on 2026 and 2028 last like five minutes that we got you here?

01:03:51.720 Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you conjecture as well as, again, the polling case.

01:03:55.720 Right. So Democrat plus seven should be adequate for them to take the House.

01:03:59.680 And again, the most of the cases that I could make are that they will overperform the polling.

01:04:04.740 Now, there's a ton of caveats.

01:04:06.340 If you look at like the Cook Political Report, they have 19 toss ups and they're not going to they're not picking a winner right now.

01:04:12.140 Fifteen of those 19 toss ups are Republicans.

01:04:15.200 And most of those, like 13 of them, were only won by a margin of single digits, like under five.

01:04:22.160 And so those could be close.

01:04:24.040 But we've also had redistricting.

01:04:25.900 And so the Republicans won the redistricting fight, might have like a 15-whatever seat advantage there, but the redistricting was all based on a Trump 2024 turnout, and so maybe we aren't going to see that.

01:04:39.580 And then you have the whole financial situation and how good the advertising is going to be, and then you also have the aspect of Democrat ballot harvesting, which I still think is a major issue.

01:04:48.660 So, again, it's tough to predict an actual seat pickup, but I think it's fair to say, and the betting markets agree, the Democrats are going to take the House.

01:04:57.300 And, again, I don't care that much about the Senate.

01:04:59.480 There's reasons to think that the Democrats are going to flip a whole bunch of things that should be safe Republican seats like Ohio and Iowa just based on the polling and where things are probably going to go between now and November.

01:05:11.080 And, like, that's basically it, right?

01:05:13.140 So now, like, look at what's happening in the White House.

01:05:16.160 You haven't seen a lot of turnover.

01:05:17.320 you're going to start to see more turnover that just happens naturally but these people are going

01:05:21.720 into work every day and a lot of them are trying to fight for the american people and they come in

01:05:26.100 and they see this kind of tweet that trump wrote at 3 a.m with like natalie harp probably uh

01:05:31.260 unsupervised by anybody and they're like oh like you know what i mean like this is now something

01:05:35.000 else that they have to to deal with and my feeling of the white house when i went there

01:05:41.080 is that that yeah they got their cabinet people the cabinet's doing the cabinet things and they're

01:05:45.780 run in the government, but that there wasn't necessarily some kind of like overarching

01:05:49.200 strategic plan at the White House level.

01:05:51.840 It felt like the White House staff was really just like responding to what Trump did every

01:05:55.600 day.

01:05:56.400 And so I don't see any reason to think that that's not going to change.

01:05:59.780 And potentially, like with him losing political capital and getting more of a lame duck status,

01:06:05.080 you're already starting to see people treat him like lame duck.

01:06:08.000 You know, people distancing themselves, allowed to distance themselves on the campaign trail.

01:06:12.360 That's that's a bad sign.

01:06:13.480 people already trying to redefine the Republican party into something that it was decidedly not

01:06:18.080 what OG MAGA was. If he loses the house and these, like there is going to be a palpable

01:06:23.540 feeling of he is over his political hill. And so people are going to start looking towards the

01:06:28.860 future. And what, and what they're going to say is that like, I don't think there's going to be

01:06:33.500 this appetite of Trump sitting in Mar-a-Lago and being a MAGA kingmaker. I think people are going

01:06:37.700 to realize that there needs to be more definition behind what the movement stands for and what MAGA

01:06:42.780 means and or america first or whatever it's going to be right he will not coronate the new leader

01:06:48.200 he will not coronate the new leader that's a key point to make whoever he coronates is going to

01:06:52.040 lose the primary in 2028 in my opinion well that's why i think jd is the best of the people

01:06:57.800 who currently exist only because i know him i think he's genuine and i think he really is an

01:07:02.760 economic populist and he's shown himself to be very capable as a messenger like i think he could

01:07:08.740 do better. The problem is, is he's got the toughest job in America because he can't criticize Trump,

01:07:14.040 but he's also not going to have as many coattails as he would hope. Let's just put it that way.

01:07:18.680 And that he's surrounded by the entire Republican fundraising apparatus that definitely doesn't

01:07:24.000 want somebody who's not Israel first and definitely doesn't want somebody who's anti-oligarch.

01:07:28.560 And so the structure is going to try, in my opinion, to resist him like a virus.

01:07:33.420 And I don't know how that pans out. He's got to be the world's best political organizer and

01:07:38.360 builder in order to do some kind of structure to make some new kind of fundraising pipeline to

01:07:43.500 take over the rnc and and and because he talks about populism and and it's like they're going

01:07:51.100 to fight every aspect of that the young people that's why the young people are revolted when

01:07:55.420 they hear about money when they hear about ads like it's pissing me off right now because i'm

01:07:59.140 thinking about the way these things are actually one it's not even on ideological basis it's about

01:08:03.200 how much money you can raise and i think that's what made trump different the first time around

01:08:06.880 He said, hey, I'm a billionaire. I'm going to lose money so I can be the president. That's why I'm the guy for the job. But he has turned into this Miriam Adelson machine. And as we've seen with James Tallarico here in Texas, Miriam don't care about Democrat Republican. Miriam cares about Miriam and Israel and money. Right. And that's what the donations roll in for.

01:08:25.900 And as a young person, I hear you say those things about JD. I don't personally endorse JD Vance. I'm like a Tucker guy. I'm like a Joe Kent guy. That's where I stand. It's just you're going to need somebody that was wounded by that sword. And I don't think JD Vance, besides being put in a horrible position by Trump, having to kind of be the good cop, bad cop in the Marco Rubio dynamic. I just I don't think he's got that metaphysical energy that was put on him because I think you do have to be hurt by the administration in order to win.

01:08:51.580 And I think you're going to see a scenario where it's like 2016, where you've got a random guy that's almost in the middle of the stage, but not totally in the middle of the stage, and he's going to make either Marco Rubio or J.D. Vance look like Jeb Bush.

01:09:02.800 Who could that person be, potentially?

01:09:05.080 What's the likelihood of that?

01:09:06.280 Is that a pipe dream? 0.99

01:09:07.360 Is it still – there's still too many old people, still too much old money, power access? 0.97

01:09:11.340 Just in closing, your take on that question. 0.80

01:09:13.360 Yeah, like the majority of the Republican electorate is still your boomer con. 0.61

01:09:20.280 Like it just is.

01:09:21.080 I'm sorry.

01:09:21.580 And they're never going to build that same 77 million vote coalition that they had without like re-attracting those people who have all feel like they've been betrayed.

01:09:31.440 And there's a very good case to be made, whether JD is the best candidate or not, that he would be well advised not to run in 2028 just because people are going to be pissed and there's going to be anti-incumbency bias.

01:09:42.100 And I think that that is the case.

01:09:44.380 And in that kind of environment, like also, listen, I think an outsider could come along and be very successful.

01:09:50.540 The problem is third party is very hard because you have Republicans everywhere and they control elections like it's hard.

01:09:58.660 You don't have all those volunteers, but you can run as an independent or you can run in the primary.

01:10:04.600 You could probably do both in the primary.

01:10:06.680 You could be a forcing function and maybe do very well and siphon off a lot of votes, maybe even win the primary as an outsider.

01:10:13.160 It would have to be a very charismatic person who is a very big national populist who does it right this time, right?

01:10:21.640 Or that person can run as an independent spoiler and earn five to eight points and make sure that the Republicans have a generational schlacking that takes them out, you know, like down, way down in the stack ranking, gives an opportunity.

01:10:34.660 This is the Nick Fuentes plan, right?

01:10:36.120 Destroy the Republican Party so it can be rebuilt in a new image.

01:10:39.980 And that's possible.

01:10:41.540 Like that's something that a Joe Kent, Tucker Carlson ticket could do.

01:10:44.980 What would be hilarious is if you even saw something like maybe Ro Khanna and Massey run together as a Democrat and you saw like Kent and Tulsi run together as a Republican ticket or something like that, or both as independents, just to see who siphons off more votes on both sides.

01:10:59.340 Like, let's have a free for all.

01:11:00.580 Like, why not?

01:11:01.380 Right.

01:11:01.740 And we just totally confuse Americans. But I think there's an opportunity if we can get past these establishment division tactics for some kind of not single issue, but for a laser focused coalition, again, on national populism.

01:11:17.860 But the system is going to fight that so hard. All the billionaires, all the foreign countries. And it would be very, very, very fragile.

01:11:25.860 and people are scared of that sword man they're scared of that power because even though it's

01:11:30.280 good even though that american populism that is the lady of the lake giving us excalibur even

01:11:34.760 though that is the reality people see that and they see trump wielding it against them and they're

01:11:38.320 terrified of it now and i think this is what i see a lot when i talk to young people that might

01:11:42.460 be more independent or left-leaning when i talk about being a nationalist when i talk about being

01:11:46.720 america first they go oh what about trump he said the exact same things and look at what's happened

01:11:51.160 of the country i think that's the real danger and that's why from an ideological basis i had

01:11:56.040 to start broadcasting again man is because somebody's got to say this stuff you know but

01:12:00.180 go ahead these are why the values and morals are very important and it's because like for instance

01:12:05.100 on deportations okay you know maybe guilty is charged maybe you as well but i was happy at the

01:12:13.140 cathartic pump reels we were getting about ice back in january and february of 2025 right but

01:12:18.880 It's like if we're really moral Christians, right, if we are constitutionalist conservatives, you know, we do think America is fair.

01:12:29.700 We do respect people's natural rights.

01:12:31.600 And so we shouldn't be tear gassing people in the face and and busting down doors and using shock gloves.

01:12:37.960 And it's like the ability for us to wage economic warfare against Iran and not economic warfare against illegal aliens to get them out.

01:12:46.680 for instance it's like that would be probably the most humane way to do it and most effective way 0.89

01:12:51.740 and i've said it was i've said it over and over and over again can't work here can't get a car

01:12:57.620 can't bank just go home and it's non-violent that's what fishback proposed and that policy

01:13:02.820 would be a lot more effective at actually getting the tens of millions people out of here that came

01:13:06.680 here just in the past five years okay i don't care people say established roots blah blah blah

01:13:11.280 20 million people came here under biden all of them have to leave all of them have to leave but

01:13:15.980 But what you do by using ICE, which was founded right after the Patriot Act, and I think a lot of people don't know that, when you use ICE as this cudgel and you do these things, and ultimately when American citizens, for whatever reason, die in the street, when you go to that independent voter or that more left-leaning voter, maybe an Obama person that transferred over to Trump in 2016, maybe somebody that didn't have a political ideology but just liked the policies of making America first again, they say, hell no, I don't support that.

01:13:40.180 And sadly, they're going to be a lot more likely, in my view and opinion, to support radical socialist globalist policy.

01:13:46.640 And that is the disease, in my opinion.

01:13:51.040 Yeah, I mean, it's the pendulum is going to swing back and we have a Democrat rising tide of Democrat socialists who, again, all of their voters aren't socialists, but a lot of them are on SSRIs.

01:14:04.500 A lot of them are meant like, you know, inflamed like there is a change in the Democrat Party.

01:14:10.180 And but the problem is, is it's like they are probably going to get in power and be statist and extreme and do all these division tactics.

01:14:17.840 And then the Republicans are not going to like learn from their experience and they're going to regress and do the same thing because they want to go back to this right left division kabuki stuff.

01:14:27.400 And again, I'm I'm very confident that the youth are most likely than anybody to see through this.

01:14:34.260 And hopefully, like, again, you would have to bury hatchets like we used to have political compromise in this country.

01:14:40.180 and now of course the political compromise is just who gets to spend on their special pork stuff

01:14:45.280 right right but it's like okay we want to deport everybody because it's a rule of law thing and

01:14:50.700 it's not fair and it will help americans economically if we do that and then they say 0.99

01:14:55.540 well we don't want like real citizens who are hispanic to worry about having to show their 0.89

01:15:02.340 papers at walmart you know what i mean it's like if we had that open dialogue then we could say 0.77

01:15:07.560 well, the best way to do this is to tax remittances or something, right? And so that's

01:15:12.700 what a coalition might look like. And that's what compromise might look like. But to do that,

01:15:18.260 you have to understand that there are aspects of the way that Trump ran this presidency 0.54

01:15:21.780 that played into all of the things that gave the Bolsheviks ammunition to weaponize against the 0.54

01:15:27.400 right, not least of which is January 6th. You know, they do think that MAGA is violent extremists.

01:15:33.320 and so like that okay back to tucker we're americans we share things there's a shared

01:15:40.780 cultural vision we want this experiment to work we need to be able to see through these division

01:15:46.220 tactics and understand who the real enemy to the extent there is one exists and what it is is an 0.95

01:15:52.080 entrenched uniparty oligarch kleptocracy of global homo you know like that's what's absolutely no 0.97

01:15:59.200 it's the global homo agenda it's everyone else first except for americans and i say this all 0.99

01:16:03.780 the time i care about foundational white americans foundational black americans foundational hispanic 0.94

01:16:08.660 americans if you have parents grandparents great-grandparents that are here and fought

01:16:12.040 for that american project i think it's incredibly disgusting to tell someone hey your grandfather 0.89

01:16:17.580 died in vietnam well we're gonna have you know 50 million illegal illegal immigrants come in your 0.73

01:16:22.260 country and that's fine they're just as american as you and i don't care what your background is

01:16:26.500 that should piss you off and i think it does piss you off and i think there is that consciousness

01:16:30.400 there but the guilting has begun the guilting on this is what america is this is globalism this is 0.84

01:16:35.920 israel first this is the trump policy this is what maga actually meant it was never maga it was

01:16:40.460 always mega why won't you try socialism why won't you give it a chance you don't care about people

01:16:45.260 look at all the videos people being hurt look at all the videos people going bankrupt this is what

01:16:49.420 trump represents and it's like no or this is what america first represents and it's like no that's

01:16:54.460 what trump decided to pervert his platform into becoming i think these are all very powerful

01:16:58.320 points we do have my dad coming up downstairs in studio is stewart rhodes at 2 p.m mark i really

01:17:03.920 i'm a huge fan i really appreciate you it's been an incredible honor having you on the show where

01:17:08.660 do people find you i gotta have you on again on my personal please uh really appreciate it thanks

01:17:13.780 again this was great i'll come on anytime love what you guys are doing sorry that you're uh

01:17:18.480 victims of the trump administration but i think it's we're coming out of the the tunnel you know

01:17:23.000 there's a light, right? Um, so I used to be work at Rasmussen reports. I found in my own company,

01:17:28.720 the honest poll less than two months ago, we're doing our first national tracking poll. Now

01:17:32.900 follow me on Twitter at honest pollster. But if people want to hear my story, I just put a video

01:17:37.680 out a day and a half ago on YouTube. I'm rebuilding my YouTube channel. It's at honest poll. Please go.

01:17:43.300 If you want to hear, it's like a 20 minute video about exactly what happened and what the honest

01:17:47.440 poll stands for, which is independent representation of the American electorate and not dark money

01:17:52.800 NGOs, not political action committees, not lobbyists, not corporations. It's the American

01:17:57.940 people. And there are not a lot of people like me out there doing this. There are going to be a lot

01:18:02.260 more though. American liberty is rising. Patriotism is rising. I think that's the silver lining on

01:18:07.580 this cloud that's over us right now is it's always darkest before the dawn. And I do truly believe

01:18:12.280 this. And now we know, at least now we know what the problem is. Like you say, transnational

01:18:16.820 capital is what I call it a lot of the time, the oligarchy, kleptocracy. This is what we face.

01:18:21.640 This is what we war against. And if we don't have an actual populist American first America first mission, then ultimately we're kind of doomed to fail. We got to have people like you, man. Thank you for coming on the show.

01:18:31.380 Great to be here. Thanks again.

01:18:32.720 Thank you so much, Mark Mitchell. You got to follow him at honest pollster guys. Check out the YouTube channel as well. This is super important. We got men in the arena right now fighting for our values, which are everyone's values in America.

01:18:44.500 America first what MAGA used to mean to you and me and this is just the reality of what we're

01:18:50.040 dealing with that guy was a soldier that guy was finding the truth presenting it to Trump

01:18:54.840 giving him the information that he needed to get back on track and like he said it's water off a

01:19:00.480 duck's back that's what all this stuff is turned into he doesn't listen to us anymore he doesn't

01:19:05.760 care about us anymore he doesn't even think about us anymore it's about the money it's about the

01:19:10.300 power interest it's not about we the people and whoever has that we the people message whoever was

01:19:15.480 wounded by that same energy in a righteous way not in a or in an incorrect way not a righteous way

01:19:20.840 that's going to be the people that rise to the top i think that's going to be people like tucker

01:19:24.900 like mtg like a thomas massey like a joe kent i i really think that is the core group people that

01:19:30.840 we have right now standing against this and you see at immense personal risk and personal loss

01:19:36.480 All these people have tried their best to stay true to the values of what they campaigned for in 2016 and 2024 and beyond. And it's not us that changed. We aren't the ones that changed. We're all still saying the same things about what we wanted, the policies that we wanted.

01:19:51.200 And when people say, oh, you criticize the president, you want Islamic foot washing stations, you criticize the president, you're a pro, I don't know, like elective trans baby surgery or something crazy like that. That's not the issue. OK, that's not the problem. That's like a pimple when the person has stage four terminal cancer. And that's what the country has right now. And it's summed up in one word, mega make Israel great again, because if another country can take us to war, if another country can dominate our foreign policy, then we don't really have a chance.

01:20:20.280 And it's not even the people over in Israel necessarily. Of course, they're serving their own interests. They want power for themselves. They're willing to slit the throat of our empire. It's our own people that support these policies. It's our own people that deny them. It's our own people that still think we live in 1975 or 1990. We don't. We live in the year 2026. And look at this. Democrats are gearing up for a wave of investigations into Trump and his allies.

01:20:44.500 he put himself in this position. He'll probably definitely have to pardon himself. And that's why

01:20:49.260 you're not going to see the arrest of Mayorkas. That's why you're not going to see the arrest of

01:20:52.580 Fauci. That's why we're never going to get the things we voted for is because he's in the club

01:20:56.680 now. He's in the club now like 50 cent. I started having seizures like a few years ago and everybody

01:21:03.140 in my family knows I'm a neuroscientist. What did you do to fix it? Methylene blue. I'd take it.

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01:21:12.940 as well. Yeah, RFK Jr. told me about it. Yeah, man, it's fantastic. What is Bobby Kennedy Jr.

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01:21:28.960 He must be doing something right. That ripped bod is 73 years old. You shouldn't have to tell a

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01:21:47.540 the brain fog where you're actually, you know, able to focus more clearly. You feel instant energy,

01:21:53.800 but without the jitteriness of caffeine and focus. What I feel, what I felt was focus,

01:21:58.500 mental focus. For me, it's like a fog lifted, but it was like a veil lifted off, you know?

01:22:03.620 Incredible. It's really interesting. I almost like feel smarter. With methylene blue,

01:22:08.220 I do notice that it does seem to give me more mental energy.

01:22:11.820 I knew what that did for me.

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The Alex Jones Show Live - August 22, 2026

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW With America’s Top Independent Pollster & Political Futurist Mark Mitchell

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