00:00:40.280Oh, the guys that got kicked out were the same players.
00:00:42.800United Fruit, William Pauly, the guy that gave the Air Force to Chiang Kai-shek.
00:00:48.580All of the same players show up in Cuba from an oligarch standpoint.
00:00:53.500And so they had, and of course the mafia, they have to get Cuba back. They were using Cuba as a heroin staging point from Sicily into the United States. So they really wanted it back in the worst way.
00:01:07.120So Lyman Lemitzker writes Operation Northwood. Well, it gets better because Lyman Lemitzker, after having written Operation Northwood and briefing it to JFK, JFK goes, what the hell? We're not doing that shit. We're not killing Americans.
00:01:22.620So he had just had to be a pig's fiasco. And the generals all hate him. And so he doesn't see firing him like making him retire as a palatable thing without a full on revolt. So he decides to move him. And where did he move him? He moved him to NATO commander, the same NATO running Operation Gladio.0.99
00:01:48.480So Lyman Lemusker as a four-star general is now in charge of the worldwide Operation Gladio program. And during this time that he's the commander, the headquarters is still in Paris. And Charles de Gaulle had over 30 attempts on his life during his presidency from his own OAS Gladio unit, over 30.
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00:02:36.440And it was just another attempt on Charles de Gaulle's life.
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00:10:19.480And I'm really impressed with the interviews I've seen that she talks about because I've interviewed the people that ran Gladio operations.
00:10:27.440Not all of them, but Steve Pachenik ran the stuff in Italy and things, created a whole grand jury investigation like when he first admitted it 15 years ago on my show.
00:10:35.340He co-wrote the books with Tom Clancy.
00:10:38.940But that was her window into this, and then how al-Qaeda, ISIS, all these groups are run by Western intelligence.
00:10:44.460It goes back to the British, basically creating Saudi Arabia, using them to attack neighboring areas.
00:10:50.180So it doesn't mean that radical Islam isn't real and isn't a threat and isn't a danger.
00:10:56.100The issue is that it's then used to take our rights and our liberties.
00:11:01.720And we're told that we've got to fight them over there instead of over here,
00:11:06.040but now we have 15 times the Muslims in the West than we did before 9-11.
00:11:11.780So you can go wherever you want, Colonel.
00:11:13.040It's great to have you. So much knowledge. You can start with a year and a half ago, the leader of al-Qaeda in charge of Syria.
00:11:19.320But we've got to give our rights up and have TSA grop us.
00:11:21.600Or you could go back to the beginning, talk about what you learned in the military.
00:11:25.080But it's so great to have you here. Thank you so much for all you've done.
00:11:28.780Thank you for having me, actually, Alex.
00:11:31.420So what I want to start off with is a lot of people understand silo pieces of what the CIA and Western intelligence do, but they don't ever move out to the 30,000 foot look to put them all together in a holistic way.
00:11:52.200For example, as you mentioned, we know that the CIA during the 1980s was funding the Mujahideen through ISI, the Pakistani intelligence, and that morphs later into ISIS and al-Qaeda.
00:12:07.440We also know that the CIA hasn't been involved in multiple assassinations.
00:12:12.820We also know that they overthrow governments.
00:12:15.740We also know that they've been involved in drug operations.
00:12:20.480We know that there's a lot of evidence that the CIA was involved in JFK's assassination, and we also know that through MKUltra that there was a lot of effort put into creating Manchurian candidates, both on the assassination piece of that.
00:12:42.240But one of the things that fascinated me is looking at how they had set up scholarship programs to bring foreigners into the United States and educate them with the intent of putting many of them back in their countries to be Western-facing heads of state.
00:13:03.340And I'll give you two recent examples. Most of your audience probably knows that Obama's dad was brought over here on a CIA sponsored scholarship to Hawaii and that the man that was behind those fielding of these candidates was a guy by the name of Maboya, who was in Kenya.
00:13:24.400But he also, many of your audience may not know, is responsible for bringing Mondami's dad over here as well.
00:13:32.840And he came over on one of those CIA-sponsored scholarships, too.
00:13:37.740So I'm just going to leave that there for a minute.
00:13:43.680People look at all of those as they're isolated incidents.
00:13:47.620But what I found in discovering Operation Gladio is none of that is isolated.
00:13:53.160And it's all part of an effort to what we all know is they're in gold of establishing one world government.
00:14:03.240So a lot of people don't know how this started.
00:14:07.400Operation Gladio is critical to understanding this, but Operation Gladio actually started with Operation Sunrise.
00:14:15.600Operation Sunrise was a meeting in northern Italy by Alan Dulles, who was then part of the OSS.
00:14:21.340and Lyman Lemesker, who was a two-star general at the time on Eisenhower's staff in Germany.
00:14:29.340And at that meeting, they met with a Nazi general by the name of Karl Wolf.
00:14:35.660And he actually was in charge of what Hitler called werewolf units.
00:14:42.540And they were citizens by day and killers by night.
00:14:45.800They had set up extensive networks all over Axis territory with caches of weapons.
00:14:53.800And these weapons were, and the trained people, if the, like, for example, on the Eastern Front, if the Soviets were to push back into Germany, they were to spring up behind them and do operations to attack from the rear.
00:15:10.740It's a great strategy, but what it manifested itself into in the like the Ukrainian area, it gave birth to people like Bandera and Stetsko and several other Nazis who manifest themselves over the decades into the Azov battalion that we're very familiar with.
00:15:32.500And another group, which most people don't talk about, which is also called Right Sector, they trace their roots to these Nazi stay-behind units that was part of Reinhard Galen and Otto Skorzeny's creation on the Eastern Front, because those are the two people that were responsible for the Eastern Front.
00:15:52.600And that goes back to the rat line and Operation Paperclip, bringing over all these SS officers and people so they could actually basically be the shadow commanders of these operations throughout the Cold War.
00:16:04.540Correct. And so Reinhard Galen, Alan Dulles creates the Galen Organization, which morphs into the German BND, which is their equivalent of the CIA.
00:16:16.120And so he's operating their intelligence capability and he's a Nazi general. But the piece most people don't know is Otto Skorzeny was his trainer. And post World War Two, he is the guy that is he was originally supposed to be in Paris because that's where they were going to set up NATO headquarters.
00:16:38.300And but he gets spotted right away because of his distinctive scar face.
00:16:43.620And so they have to relocate him to Madrid, which at the time was under the control of Franco, the fascist guy.
00:16:52.460And so he basically harbors Otto Skorzinni and they set up what would be what we would think of as the terrorist training camps in Pakistan to train the Mujahideen.
00:17:03.120They did the exact same thing in Spain to train the Gladio operators throughout Europe.
00:17:08.720And, of course, they're actually called stay-behind units if anybody wants to do additional research.
00:17:14.220But Gladio was the specific name of the Italian group.
00:17:21.840And Portugal had one called Agenter Press.
00:17:25.780Turkey had one called the Gray Wolves.
00:17:27.740But everybody in NATO had to have them.
00:17:31.700Danielle Ganser wrote a book called NATO Secret Armies, and he describes this entire process.
00:17:36.680You had to sign an agreement in order to enter NATO as a NATO member, saying that you would set up these same capabilities.
00:17:46.320And, of course, it took me about a year into this research, which I've been doing for about the last four years, to realize, holy crap, we're in NATO.
00:18:00.280And you talk about Otto Skorzeny, he was Hitler's favorite commando, and he was then also hired by Israel and the Mossad to help set up a bunch of their assassination teams, and he went around killing people for decades.
00:18:14.200So when we hear, oh, the Jews and Simon Wiesenfall hunting down Nazis, that was all PR, folks.
00:18:22.220They weren't hunting down Klaus Barbie in South America.
00:18:24.700They weren't hunting down the Nazi enclaves in Argentina.
00:18:27.040Now, the Nazis, how did Israel fit into this from your research?
00:18:33.300So that's a very interesting question.
00:18:49.920And so with the blood thicker than water, they all collectively work together, but they also have disagreements occasionally.
00:18:59.040And my research makes clear that the intelligence agencies don't work for their governments or the CIA would have never killed JFK.
00:19:10.120And so if you look at them across the board, they have done lots of things, all documented in the books that I've read, that was not done with the knowledge of the president.
00:19:22.060And that is clearly illustrated in the CIA operation against President Trump.
00:19:28.400You don't think President Trump had the CIA Eric Charamella guy being the quote unquote whistleblower.
00:19:38.720Well, that's right. Just to illustrate that briefly, Crossfire Hurricane and then all the stuff that came out of it, I told Trump this back at the time, Obama in the Defense Authorization Act for 2017 put billions in to countering Foreign Disinformation Propaganda Act that established a stay-behind network to the State Department and CIA of propagandists and saboteurs.
00:19:57.380So not military commandos, but people to sabotage Trump agenda.
00:20:01.280Now he's figured out some of that and for a while was getting him out, but it seems like we're now losing the war and he's bringing a lot of them back in.
00:20:07.860More neocons, not really Obama-Hillary operatives, but Obama set up a stay-behind network to basically sabotage Trump.
00:20:18.180And that's a great illustration of how this works, because most people just assume that they're the field units that are out there that fall in on these caches of weapons.
00:20:29.700And wasn't it interesting that we found out that the Institute of Peace, when it got raided, had a cache of weapons in it?
00:21:33.460So one of their favorite places to stash or hide CIA agents is in their global security.
00:21:42.020Every international company has a global security office.
00:21:46.540And that's where we find the woman that was the Secret Service chief.
00:21:52.760Where did she go when she left Secret Service?
00:21:55.420She went to PepsiCo's global security office to hang out there until Biden came back in.
00:22:02.940And those, so you have to understand that I get asked a lot, well, who's behind all of this?
00:22:11.340Well, the only people since the post-World War II that's benefited from this network is the oligarchs.
00:22:17.160I call them the international syndicate.
00:22:19.320And any time their resources in a foreign country was in jeopardy, for example, I ran in 1953 when the Anglo-Iranian oil company was being nationalized because they refused to renegotiate the contract.
00:22:38.020They launched Operation Ajax against Mohamed Mosaddegh.
00:22:41.340Well, the one before that was actually done by MI6, and they failed.
00:22:46.620And Mossadegh kicked them out of the country.
00:22:49.380So they had to pick up the phone and call Standard Oil and Allen Dulles and say, hey, we need some help because we don't have anybody on the inside anymore.
00:22:58.880And so they sent in Kermit Roosevelt, and then you've got the United Fruit operation, all of it.
00:23:04.800Yes, and he, of course, is Teddy Roosevelt's grandson.
00:23:07.860And when they went in, who benefited from that? Well, British oil only got the 50 percent that Bosidek was offering him because 34 percent of the proceeds in the aftermath of Ajax went to Standard Oil.
00:23:22.860And, of course, Sullivan and Cromwell, John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles' former law firm, was a representative of Standard Oil.
00:23:33.900And so the same thing in Guatemala the following year, United Fruit, when that president, democratically elected, was saying, hey, you're only using 20 percent of your farmland.
00:23:45.700We want to use the other because it was all acquired through corrupt land deals and we'll pay you for it, but we don't want it just to stay unused.
00:23:58.000And they said no. So they just pick up the phone. And of course, Sullivan and Cromwell used to represent United Fruit as well.
00:24:05.240And they went in and overthrew the government and United Fruit got to keep all of their farmland because there was a military dictator installed afterwards.
00:24:14.260And so you just see this thing repeated over and over again. The same thing happened in Chile. It happened in Brazil for Nelson Rockefeller. And so this entire operation, and you see, to my surprise, when I first started this, you see the same people over and over again.
00:24:34.080You see the same people that was in Korea, in Vietnam. You see the same people in Vietnam, in Latin America, during Nicaragua in the 1980s. And every one of these follows a particular pattern. There's drugs around. There's narcotics around.
00:24:53.460And so we have the whole Southeast Asia theater where we're in Vietnam. We know it's all about the heroin. We're in Afghanistan. We know it's all about the heroin. And then we're in Latin America where we know it's all about the cocaine.
00:25:08.240So, again, all of these are connected. They are not isolated incidences. There's an effort to fund these covert operations that they're doing in the overthrowing of governments with covert funding.
00:25:25.040And that's why it's very important that the CIA be able to have this narco network around.
00:25:31.300It's also why it's very important for them to have continuous warfare, because if you go back to the Korean War, where did the excess weapons after the Korean War went?
00:25:40.260They all got bought up by CIA front companies. Where did the excess weapons go from Vietnam?
00:25:46.020Same thing. Then you had them create banks like BCCI and Nugent Hand in Australia.
00:25:52.960And they're the ones that create the bill of sales.
00:25:55.820They're the ones that create all of the documentation to transport all of these weapons around and sell them on the black market.
00:26:02.640And it also provides them the opportunity to money launder.
00:26:05.960And the reason this is so important is it's the same model with Fast and Furious, millions of guns shipped to Mexico to go to al-Qaeda and ISIS.
00:26:12.800It's the same story, collapse in Afghanistan, $80 million of weapons and stuff.
00:26:18.220A whole bunch of it's in is shipped in to take down Assad.
00:29:36.600But what's incredible is after 9-11, I would have all these experts on them,
00:29:39.980You know, former, you know, embassy head exposing John Brennan, ordering him to let the hijackers, the decoys of the U.S., the name Springman.
00:29:48.900I mean, I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of these people.
00:29:50.660I've interviewed the guy hired by the CIA and the FBI to cook the bomb for the First World Trade Center.
00:29:55.160Then they cooked a real bomb, so he taped them saying, let the bombing go forward.
00:31:46.580So we were talking about the money laundering, and that's an important part of this.
00:31:52.480Initially, Operation Gladio, in order to transfer out all of the German caches of weapons that was a master in World War II, the OSS created a thing called Detachment A.
00:32:09.140And Detachment A's activities was not even declassified until 2014 from 1940s, like 44, 45 is when these operations were going on.
00:32:21.420declassified in 2014. What a lot of special forces guys don't know is that's the beginning
00:32:28.160of special forces, and that's where you get the term ODA, Operational Detachment Alpha.
00:32:35.020It came from Detachment A. It was also the basis for the 1980s TV series, The A-Team,
00:32:44.320because that was their nickname. And so as these operations unfold, the initial funding line for
00:32:53.220this was the Rockefeller Foundation, as documented by Paul Williams in his book called Operation
00:32:59.300Gladio, as well as the Marshall Plan. Most people don't know the Marshall Plan had a covert line of
00:33:06.020funding in it, and that's what was used to replace all of these German weapons in these caches.
00:33:11.260And it was the A-team that went in. And there's videos on their website. They actually show these tents. And the tents are several tents in an area surrounded by Constantine wire. And they're digging up the old caches of weapons because at Operation Sunrise, that was part of the deal.
00:33:28.740Here's the list. General Wolf gave Alan Dulles a list.
00:33:31.940You ratline all of these guys out, provide them safe passage, and we will give you all of the diagrams on where these caches of weapons are and any of the Soviet documentation that we collected on our eastward push.
00:33:46.580But post-World War II, Marshall Plan's going away, so we need another funding.
00:33:53.320And that's where we're going to get into the narcotics with Chiang Kai-shek over in China and the OSS slash CIA protection of him, moving him initially to Burma.
00:34:04.100And he's a Chinese warlord who lost their civil war to Mao.
00:34:08.300And then they put him on a Chinese island called Formosa and just changed the name of it to Taiwan.
00:36:23.180Then a few years later, they move the U-2 spy planes to Japan, and the young Lee Harvey Oswald is stationed there but doesn't have to do any work.
00:36:33.100because people said he had special clearance.
00:36:36.180It was like the officers treated him like the boss.
00:36:38.500Then he does a fake defection to the Soviet Union,
00:36:41.040but then is allowed to move back to Texas
00:36:42.860and then lives with famous expat white Russians,
00:37:01.420They were the ones that began the opium trade into China and later used that to control and break up China, later leading to the Boxer Rebellion.
00:37:08.620So it's the same story over and over again.
00:37:11.440It is the same story over and over again.
00:37:13.960So I don't know if you know this, but I found this reading a book about how a lot of this, because it involves the oil barons, involves oil pipelines.
00:37:25.780And so Alan Dulles first met George DeMorgenshield, the white Russian you're talking about in Dallas that was instrumental in the JFK setup, when he was 10 years old.
00:37:38.140Alan Dulles was over buying an oil field for standard oil for the Rockefellers in Azerbaijan.
00:37:45.400And the representative that was representing the Nobel family from Sweden or Denmark, wherever they're from, his dad, George DeMorgan Shield Sr., was the guy that Alan Dulles was dealing with.
00:38:05.420So he has known George DeMorgan Shield the entire time.
00:38:09.340And that was just mind-blowing to me when I found out that.
00:38:13.340And you've got Lee Harvey Oswald married to his daughter living with him.
00:38:17.760Well, and to your point about Lee Harvey Oswald, he was also in Russia when we lost the U-2 over Russia.
00:38:31.580That's in a declassified U-2 document from the CIA.
00:38:35.500So let's talk about this myth that Venezuela interferes in our elections.
00:38:40.140There is a book called Stolen Elections that was just recently rushed out with a ton of spelling errors and all kinds of other things that the primary source, one of the primary sources is a CIA agent.
00:38:56.060And in the book, they blame Venezuela pretty much for everything.
00:38:59.480What he doesn't tell you is there's really nothing Venezuelan about Smartmatic.
00:39:05.140Smartmatic. Smartmatic was created by expats in the Miami area that left Venezuela right about
00:39:15.460the time Chavez come into office. Now, they are representative of the same people that left Cuba
00:39:23.020after Castro took over. They are the landed wealthy elite that can't survive under someone
00:39:31.280that is not controlled by the CIA or Western influences.
00:39:34.880So they all basically leave the country.
00:39:37.200And those three expats that were in Miami,
00:40:44.700He talks about us basically merging in the special relationship.
00:40:48.040So as the British Empire kind of faded, it just merged with us.
00:40:51.080And all of its evil proclivities are now here.
00:40:54.160And so when you look at all this modern propaganda manipulation, white supremacy groups, radical black groups, all this is being funded by the very same interest.
00:41:01.980And many times it's the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the people that set all this up post-World War II that are still in control today.
00:41:11.900And you find the hereditary links everywhere.
00:41:14.840So as this comes into its own, some of the highlights of stuff that I have found, for example, since we were talking about the Vatican, the attempted assassination of John Paul II.
00:41:30.400If you go back and look at who actually got arrested and convicted for that, those two guys were Turkish gray wolf Operation Gladio operatives.
00:41:41.240it was a clear signal to John Paul II. He had been using, so we've already established their
00:41:49.000money laundering for this entire operation. He was using portions of the money that the Vatican
00:41:54.660was raking off the top of the money laundering to fund efforts in Poland with solidarity in
00:42:02.140order to try to get them separated. And he was having back channel communications with the
00:42:08.600Soviet Union. And you're not allowed to do that because any reasonable negotiations with the
00:42:15.960Soviet Union would denigrate there being the big bad bullies that we're going to use in order to
00:42:21.780justify everything that we do. Because what you find out is every regime change up until the 1990s
00:42:28.680was because there's some communist presence, right? So they needed the boogie. And what you're
00:42:32.820saying is very, almost no one knows this, but George Herbert Walker Bush was later admitted
00:42:37.400to and personally classified, when the Soviet Union fell in 1991, he freaked out.
00:43:00.440It was Bush Sr., but it's John Paul II that really is credited with that.
00:43:07.400So John Paul II was in active negotiations to get Poland outside of the Soviet Union, and that was his warning shot because the guy was almost point blank range. These are trained assassins. They don't miss.
00:43:20.640That was a wound. And it was his warning to stop funding this backdoor channel and giving money to the to Poland.
00:43:30.640And he did stop. And so I would recommend I'm of a different mind now since I've done this research about Ronald Reagan.
00:43:40.460We're in the middle of a book called Safe for Democracy, The Secret Wars of the CIA by John Prados.
00:43:45.940um ronald reagan was very actively involved in a lot of this stuff well we know he was an fbi
00:43:52.020informant he was anti-communist and i agree he knew a lot of it and they tried to protect him
00:43:56.260by not involving him and everything but i also know that nancy not just public people that knew
00:44:00.040her privately thought that the bushes were involved shooting him and and and and the fact
00:44:04.900that they wanted to get rid of him at many levels we know he didn't like bush who ran against him
00:44:09.500in 79-80, but he was forced to put him on the ticket. Correct. As many presidents are. Same
00:44:17.540thing happened with Eisenhower and Nixon. If you go back and reread history from legitimate sources,
00:44:24.200not the stuff they put in schools. So anyway, we're talking about all of this stuff. If you
00:44:31.300go back to italy and you look at the um piazza bombings in the 1970s they were um blowing up
00:44:39.800um train stations and banks and you ask well why would they be doing that to their own citizens
00:44:46.700well let me point you to the 1962 operation northwood where the same guy that i just mentioned
00:44:59.700Lyman Lemniser, the guy at the table at Operation Sunrise that set this entire thing up, wrote Operation Northwood.
00:45:08.580Operation Northwood talks about using Cuban exiles from Miami, who are all trained by the CIA, to launch domestic operations in the United States to kill Americans, bomb buildings, fly down.
00:45:24.400drone aircraft into buildings. That sounds familiar. Blow up ships in the harbor dressed up
00:45:30.860as Castro's army in order to justify a land invasion into Cuba. And who do we find in Cuba?
00:45:40.020Oh, the guys that got kicked out were the same players. United Fruit, William Pauly, the guy that
00:45:44.680gave the Air Force to Chiang Kai-shek. All of the same players show up in Cuba from an oligarch
00:45:52.600standpoint. And so they had, and of course the mafia, they have to get Cuba back. They were
00:45:58.820using Cuba as a heroin staging point from Sicily into the United States. So they really wanted it
00:46:05.740back in the worst way. So Lyman-Lemitzker writes Operation Northwood. Well, it gets better because
00:46:11.860Lyman-Lemitzker, after having written Operation Northwood and briefing it to JFK, JFK goes,
00:46:18.680what the hell? We're not doing that shit. We're not killing Americans. So he had just had to be1.00
00:46:25.020a pig's fiasco and the generals all hate him. And so he doesn't see firing him like making him0.97
00:46:32.640retire as a palatable thing without a full on revolt. So he decides to move him. And where
00:46:41.180did he move him? He moved him to NATO commander, the same NATO running Operation Gladio.
00:46:48.680So Lyman Lemusker, as a four-star general, is now in charge of the worldwide Operation Gladio program.
00:46:56.020And during this time that he's the commander, the headquarters is still in Paris.
00:47:01.400And Charles de Gaulle had over 30 attempts on his life during his presidency from his own OAS Gladio unit, over 30.
00:47:14.000And I don't know if you're aware, but during JFK's trip to Paris, France, there was a plan, and depending on who you talk to, there's two different people that comes up in the research, that was approached by the CIA to assassinate JFK in Paris and pass it off as someone who was a bad shot, and it was just another attempt on Charles de Gaulle's life.
00:49:47.840Great, because we've got to go to break, because I want to – let's do 20 more minutes so we can talk about – I know the history is key to know history, or you're doomed to repeat it.
00:49:54.340But I want to get your take on currently what's happening and your military background, your research background, your business background, what you think is coming next and what we can do.
00:50:01.860This is what we're up against, because let me tell you, it got declassified partially.
00:50:04.840The CIA and DOJ ran all the operations against me, the lawsuits, all of it, funded it all.
00:50:10.540And then it was being investigated by Ed Martin, and then the current AG killed that investigation.
00:50:14.180That's public information, ABC News, six months ago.
00:50:17.560So believe me, I know about it because I've experienced it myself.
00:50:21.900And if I told you some of the stories, I mean, like, they'd be – it's so insane.
00:50:27.460You could write 10 books just on this.
00:50:29.380It's like a James Bond movie with these people.
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00:54:41.900Well, the age of naivete is really ending. The Great Awakening, the fourth turning is here,
00:54:47.240and more and more really smart people are digging into what's happening, and the bad guys are in
00:54:51.300trouble. But it doesn't mean that humanity's won yet. Colonel Roxanne Towner Watkins is our guest.
00:54:57.240Found her show on Rumble every day, 4 p.m. Colonel Towner on X. Very smart ladies with us. Another
00:55:01.14020 minutes um so so so you you've been to a lot of war colleges air force war colleges
00:55:06.440and you hadn't learned about gladiator you thought well that's crazy they have such huge
00:55:09.580archives you you were saying you went back what did you find okay i found nothing actually um not
00:55:16.060a single book in the entire library for all professional military education for the entire
00:55:21.580air force um i've also had a conversation with a retired three-star general who ran air university
00:55:29.000And he had never heard about Operation Gladio either. But I did find in the periodical section an article that was in Defense and Diplomacy called The Night of the Short Swords.
00:55:41.660One article in one magazine, and the immediate next issue, which I had to get a copy of, is a rebuttal to the previous edition called Debunking Gladio.
00:55:59.400And you'd never guess who wrote the article.
00:56:04.200And he basically says in his rebuttal, yeah, no, that didn't exist.
00:56:09.480And it was written in 1991. Operation Gladio was admitted to on the 2nd of August 1990 by Prime Minister Andriati to their Senate in Italy.
00:56:24.040He actually just came out in the open and said, yes, we did it. We shouldn't have.
00:56:29.140And all of the rest of Europe, with that revelation, was asked, hey, are we doing this? Of course, they all denied it.
00:56:37.260So then in two months later, NATO had a meeting because they had two offices set up to coordinate all of Operation Gladio.
00:56:45.740One was called the Clandestine Planning Committee.
00:56:48.240The other one was called the Allied Clandestine Committee.
00:57:13.320A long knife or dagger, which was the name of the Nazis taking out their political enemies, Ernst Röhm, and the SA after Hitler was able to take over in 33.
00:57:22.440So what is the meaning of knight of the short swords is?
00:57:36.980Yeah. So a couple other things, just so that people can do a little additional research before we get back together again. I ran across a very interesting company that allowed all of this to transpire.
00:57:51.840The name of it is Crypto AG. Crypto AG is a company that originated via the NSA and was a result of World War II and encryption and all of that other stuff.
00:58:07.500And so it appears like it's a private company, but it is not.
00:58:12.020There was a back door that was set up into these machines, and they set up this company using the guy that was basically the inventor of it.
00:58:27.780Hold on. Stay there. We have a one-minute break to join a bunch of stations.
00:58:30.820Come right back here because from the beginning of computers and machines, they've always been about control, back to IBM.
00:58:36.280And after that, day one, it's always about back doors.
01:01:31.620So we were talking about Crypto AG, and it really goes to the extent of this operation.
01:01:38.800So Crypto AG was an encrypted device sold to countries out of neutral Switzerland with this front company that was basically backdoored not just to the CIA, but also to the German BND, which at the time was Reinhard Galen, the former Nazi.
01:01:58.820And they sold it as something that a country could use to communicate with all of their embassies around the world, encrypted.
01:02:07.520And so I want people to understand, since the end of World War II, the CIA has been able to intercept every single cable sent from a State Department to their embassies around the world in real time.
01:02:25.180And over 100 countries bought this system.
01:02:28.320And what was very interesting to me when I was doing the research, the company finally was shut down in 2020 during Trump's first term.
01:02:39.700um the whole south american network of how they were able to do operation condor which is kind
01:02:48.060of like a kissing cousin to operation gladio was through crypto ag and crypto ag had a mainframe
01:02:54.020on the army base in panama right near the school of americas which for if your audience doesn't
01:03:00.660know is where they trained all of these people like auto scores in each training center school
01:03:06.400of Americas was on a military base in Panama doing basically the same thing in Latin America.
01:03:13.880And just kind of as an aside, funny, because this is not funny at all.
01:03:20.440Recently, before we nabbed Maduro, he made the comment to the press that he couldn't
01:03:26.360possibly be a dictator because he wasn't trained at the School of Americas.
01:03:30.560And that's kind of a blowback because everybody in Latin America knows that all of the military
01:03:35.060dictators that the CIA installed when they overthrew the governments down there was a
01:03:39.420graduate of the School of Americas. And I don't know if you caught this, but recently, right before
01:03:45.560Matt Gaetz left Congress, he was drilling the APRICOM commander. And because that school didn't
01:03:52.340go away, they closed it. They got kicked out of Panama. It's now called the Western Hemispheric
01:03:57.980Institute for Security and Cooperation. It's located at Fort Benning. And Matt Gaetz asked
01:04:06.200the APRICOM commander for a list of all of the graduates that had graduated that are now
01:04:15.020basically military dictators in Africa. And I got in touch with Matt Gaetz after he asked that
01:04:22.140question because I was floored that he even knew about it. And he said he never did get that list.
01:04:32.520So, Colonel, what is the state of the secret state right now from your research?
01:04:39.880I mean, surely they can't be happy that there's such an awakening to it that we see their counterstrike trying to be in total control and societal division.
01:04:48.660You see Trump declassifying a lot of stuff.
01:04:52.300And where do you see Trump's position in this?
01:04:54.140Because he was definitely against the deep state before, but about halfway into his new term, about 10 months ago, he began to see a shift.
01:05:03.920So I believe, just as you articulated earlier, that because this is so embedded, what I see happening is at the bottom end of the scale that a lot of people were frustrated with the bombing of these boats in the Caribbean saying, you know, that's not the real, you know, threat.
01:05:29.500No. But again, from my aircraft mechanic days, I worked on electrical systems.
01:05:37.240Everybody knows that when you plug a circuit tracer in, the rest of the system lights up.
01:05:44.360And so what I see happening is there's been a top down approach of trying to shut off the top pieces of this.
01:05:51.300The illicit oil cells generating that Venezuela was doing, that Iran is doing or has done in the past, because that provides another whole black market of funding.
01:06:03.740So I think there's a top down approach, but I also see a bottom up approach where they're cleaning up some of the bottom pieces.
01:06:11.780And every time they take out a node like what's happening in Mexico right now, it lights everything up upstream.
01:06:18.140and you can't simply just decapitate this monster0.97
01:06:23.020because it'll just grow a new head0.99
01:07:43.220I remember the New York Times headlines.
01:07:44.380If Trump declares Mexican drug cartels terrorists, that'll crash the stock market.
01:07:48.600Now, there is labeling cartels could hurt the U.S. economy.
01:07:52.660Trump is literally hitting that red button that Catherine Austin Fitz talked about, about cutting the drug money off.
01:07:57.780That brings down the entire deep state system.
01:07:59.860But if you don't replace it with massive investment of AI or, you know, industry, oil, all the things he's doing, 20 trillion promise, 10 trillion already coming in.
01:08:09.380That's why I was so against this Iran thing, because in all the numbers, if they even close the strait in a few months, that creates inflation that is baked in that then, you know, kills the recovery.
01:08:17.420And then we end up going bankrupt, which is what BlackRock wants.
01:08:21.320But yes, Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico, it's all connected to the deep state.
01:08:25.180It all goes back to the CIA, the international networks that, as you said, go back to the British East India Company and the trust that set up Skull and Bones that was the arm of that here in the United States.
01:08:39.380So it all goes back to these shadowy networks.
01:08:44.020And so I did see Trump literally starting to cut it all off.
01:08:47.020And he had Elon in there, just like a bull in a China cabinet, taking down their stuff.
01:08:51.560And then it was like suddenly that's enough.
01:08:53.820And then we didn't see any movement against the deep state.
01:08:55.860We're starting to see some indictments.
01:08:57.780And we're seeing some good moves on stopping the gerrymandering.
01:09:00.700So it is way better than the Democrats.
01:09:03.100It's just that I have a real problem when I've done deep research on Trump and know all the different angles.
01:09:08.540that if they had Epstein stuff on him, they would have used it before.
01:09:12.040But then he told MTG, and he said it publicly since,
01:09:15.220oh, it just hurts the country, the stock market.
01:10:23.160But they just think it's too bad to bring out.0.99
01:10:25.020And I said at the time, and I talked to people in the cabinet, I said, the deep state's going to turn around and sting you in the ass and now act like you're involved.0.99
01:10:32.680they're going to double cross you. Just like I said, the Pentagon's right. 90 plus percent chance0.99
01:10:37.840the Mullahs don't fall and they close the strait and that kills your recovery. Can't you think
01:10:42.640like that? Like Trump's not dumb, but then sometimes he doesn't think multi-layer into0.99
01:10:47.540something. And then he ends up being handed the bag. We lose the midterms. The Democrats0.98
01:10:52.900then really will try to impeach him. It's so frustrating. And then the neocons spin it like,
01:10:58.180oh, I just hate Trump. I'm a Democrat now. I'm on the Iranian payroll. No, I want him to succeed.
01:11:02.360So that's a mouthful. But in closing, how do you respond to that?
01:11:06.920So obviously, Trump knows a lot more than any of us.
01:11:12.740He was embedded in the system. And that's one of the things that through my research, I came to realize that every facet of how the CIA operates, whether it was in Hollywood, he was there.
01:11:24.880When he bought international resorts down in the Bahama, that was a mafia organization.
01:11:59.640Trump and his whole family, like his uncle, have been super spooked up from the start.
01:12:05.240Well, I wouldn't say they've been spooked up.
01:12:08.780If I was going to, and you can go to Operation Gray.
01:12:11.380No, no, I don't mean low level as an actual agent.
01:12:13.660I mean, they've been at the they've been watching at the upper echelons how it all works.
01:12:18.880Correct. And so that's what I'm saying. He's not going to leave any tenant of this organization in existence.
01:12:26.800I believe that it's all coming down. How much of it we're all going to know about.
01:12:33.520Obviously, I have no idea what that's going to be. But I will also say, since we all know all of this, it cannot not be addressed.
01:12:41.480This is all none of the information that we're talking about is classified.
01:12:46.460It's all been declassified. And until there's a reckoning of what actually happened to RFK, what actually happened to JFK, we can't move on as a country.
01:12:56.840I'm sorry. We just can't. Well, I know this.
01:12:58.820The deep state, both neocon and liberal and global, was so scared of him, came after me when I supported him like nothing I've ever seen.
01:13:05.240So that to me was verification. He was good. Then he didn't start new wars the first time, did all this great.
01:13:35.460Okay, so Paul Campo, a name most people don't know,
01:13:39.660He was the deputy director in the DEA for money laundering detection of drug money.
01:13:47.680He was indicted for money laundering after he retired.
01:13:52.440Now, my research clearly indicates, and it's written about in many different books, that the DEA has been integral.
01:14:00.640They even had an office inside the DEA that had CIA officers in it in the whole drug trafficking.
01:14:11.360And there was an effort in the early 70s called CENTAC, C-E-N-T-A-C, that was a special group that was set up that went all over the world.
01:14:21.100They had more bust of drug operations than any other entity in the American government ever for the amount of money that they were given.
01:14:29.020And every single one of them in the book says that they could only go so far up the chain before they hit the CIA and was told to stand down.
01:14:40.380So there's when Campo was indicted, he was indicted with a guy, his his co-conspirator by the name of Robert Sensei.
01:14:51.900And all you have to do is look up Robert Sensei. And as soon as I saw his name in the indictment, he's the guy that went to jail for Iran-Contra shit during the 80s.0.89
01:15:04.600And I'm like, that's the guy you pick to be your co-conspirator? And so that just indicates to me this guy's been dirty for a very long time.0.96
01:15:14.360That was a huge arrest, and it didn't even stay in the news for 24 hours.
01:15:18.880And that's why I say I think there's a lot of things going on that until you understand Operation Gladio and all the players in it,
01:15:26.240you're not going to see a lot of the stuff that's happening because it's not, number one, it's barely covered in the news.
01:15:33.660And number two, even when it is covered, it's only in the news for 24 hours, and then it mysteriously disappears, even though it's huge.
01:15:50.880I'm just saying, I'm very optimistic about what I'm seeing here, both on the international narcotics thing, which is a huge funder of all of this.
01:16:02.300But it includes more than just narcotics, the weapons trafficking and all of that other stuff.
01:16:13.180under the quote-unquote refugee. And where do we get the refugees from? Oh, all of the CIA regime
01:16:19.900changes overseas. And that's another part of this entire piece of the puzzle. People, again,
01:16:25.640don't see them collectively. When the CIA goes in and overthrows the government, not only do they
01:16:32.360get a Western-friendly, usually military dictator, so the oligarchs can go in and get cheap labor,
01:16:38.460But you also have a flood of refugees, which is human trafficking.
01:16:43.440They are brought into the United States and they set up like the Somali fraud network.
01:16:50.100And this is all part of their operation because they're trying to weaken America at the same time because they want us in this one world government.
01:16:57.940And so you cannot separate the weapons trafficking, the narco trafficking, which also has a very negative effect on America, and the human trafficking piece of this outside of Operation Gladio, because the whole regime change nature of them overthrowing foreign governments generates this entire thing.
01:17:17.940simply incredible right after you leave you'll probably remember one other point or two other
01:17:24.940points you want to make any other pieces of the puzzle and and again back to this what can the
01:17:29.400public do well let me just throw one other thing it'll be the teaser for the next time we do this
01:17:35.140jfk assassination this is a little known fact that um i mentioned about the guy that um
01:17:41.660was implicated in the proposed assassination in France with de Gaulle.
01:17:50.880But did you know that there were two OAS agents in Dallas on 22 November 1963?
01:17:57.440I did. And George Herbert Walker Bush was there, too.
01:18:00.560He was. Well, the two OAS assassins that were in Dallas that day,
01:18:07.220one of which was picked up by a Dallas police officer and given a ride to the Mexican border.
01:18:14.420And the reason we know that is because Charles de Gaulle sent a cable to his Mexican ambassador saying,
01:18:22.620I want that guy tracked because I have a trip next week to Mexico and I may be next.
01:18:29.380And when you read about this in the Fairview books that actually document it, they say he was deported.
01:18:35.260He was not deported. He was escorted to the border by a Dallas police officer.
01:18:39.900And of course, we also know that over 50 percent of the Dallas police force was a member of the 488th Military Intelligence Unit that was co-located outside of Dallas.
01:18:50.620And we also know that two years before the 1975 investigation into assassinations to include JFK, St. Louis mysteriously had this massive fire that burned all of the records.
01:19:06.760Just like the key records on the Clinton's corruption and MENA, Arkansas, and the CIA drug dealing got blown up in Oklahoma City bombing.
01:19:18.580So talk about Oklahoma City bombing. Do you remember the name, Andreas Strasmeier?
01:19:28.440You know, he's German. His dad was the interior guy in Germany during Operation Gladio when they had all the domestic bombings in Germany.
01:19:38.280And he is he was their trainer and he, too, was allowed to leave, you know, like no big deal.
01:19:47.280Just go ahead and leave the country. You see.
01:19:50.160And I talked to people that worked in the building that survived who saw him there the week before with the deputy head of the ATF, Rex and others in the building.
01:19:59.840So I know you covered Waco a lot. When I was looking at Waco, do you know who the Fort Hood commander was out during Waco?
01:20:08.280I do remember. Tell us. Wesley Clark. What was his follow on job eventually? Oh, he was a NATO commander, too, during Bosnia, which also was a regime change.
01:20:24.060And they wanted to launch a domestic war against the American people that came out in declassified documents. These Delta Force kill everybody there at Waco.
01:20:30.480just it's unbelievable and mcveigh was at waco uh as a sheep dip operative of the cia and the
01:20:37.360pentagon uh and then he didn't want to bomb the marrow building so they set him up and then who
01:20:41.940was his doctor from the time he was arrested until he was executed jolly and west the deputy head of
01:20:46.980the mk ultra program who was also the doctor for um sirhan sirhan jack ruby and basically every
01:20:55.880other lone gunman it's all connected it's unbelievable and of course the unabomber was
01:21:02.780cia that's declassified all right very impressive colonel roxanne towner watkins learned a lot from
01:21:08.560you always good to talk to somebody that knows what's going on amazing look forward to seeing
01:21:11.580you again soon thanks for having me alex find our show is it four central on rumble
01:21:17.500all right yes no eastern prime sorry all right all right thank you so much amazing all right
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