00:00:00.000If the West had not given up its religious heritage, it would have had a much stronger unified way to stand against the one to two billion people that are now going to attempt to take over the West with this ridiculous religion.1.00
00:00:18.540And it's not just the one to two billion Muslims. It's also the power elite of the West, the banking power elite of the West, particularly the Rothschild, Milner, Fabian circles that were the first in the 1890s to discuss the radical alteration of the makeup of the Western people groups by bringing in the untold amounts of this ridiculous sect.0.99
00:00:42.440Now, Bertrand Russell talked about it. George Bernard Shaw talked about it. Beatrice and Sidney Webb talked about it. Lord Rothschild and his circles talked about it, that eventually this might be the way to change the face of Europe to create a new type of Europe that was mongrelized their terminology and no longer had any cohesive people groups or any cohesive unity by which it could stand against this type of an alteration.
00:01:12.440so that it could be moved into a future technocratic world state.
00:01:17.520And then it becomes a battle of, well, is it going to be a Jerusalem-Tel-Aviv-centric world state,
00:01:23.540or will it be a United Nations-centric world state, et cetera, right?
00:01:27.680So you get some technocrats who don't care about the idea of the Middle East,
00:01:32.300and then you have this sort of Judaic supremacy type of view.
00:01:38.300And then you have this other player, Islam, which is really a tool that's used by some of these power elites to change the face of the West and the world.0.85
00:01:49.080And all of these players are really thinking of their own form of kind of New World Order.
00:01:55.280Back in the Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, it's Alex Jones.
00:02:02.080And once again, you are the Paul Revere's.
00:02:05.600Share the links and spread the word of this historic broadcast.
00:02:24.300Welcome to the fourth hour of the Alex Jones Show on your guest host, Jay Dyer of jasonalysis.com.
00:02:29.520So, you know, Alex had quite a tussle with Sneko, and Sneko wasn't interested in having a good faith debate or discussion.
00:02:39.340The exact same situation, Sneko said that he thought I was the best of the Christian apologists, but he didn't want to have a serious debate.
00:02:47.360But he's ready for anybody to debate his big brother and the imam squad that is on the Internet, which are quite a crop of characters.
00:02:58.680But we really need to understand what Islam is, what its history is, and why we're seeing what we're seeing in Europe right now with the collapse of Western civilization.0.90
00:03:08.580And I understand that this is a long-term plan.0.92
00:03:12.200There's also a long history, obviously, of battles with Islam between the West.0.98
00:03:16.860And when we gave up some of our crucial unifying elements in the West, this really helped Islam to figure out a way to combat us.0.98
00:03:30.480And they've done that not with just the aid of the globalists, but also our own acquiescence to their power, our acquiescence to their will to dominate.0.96
00:03:43.880And it's funny because as we get into Islam today, we're going to talk about some of the history.0.93
00:03:48.340We're also going to talk about the history of the church and how the church, which in the West fought Islam before many centuries, was eventually cuckified and not able to do anything.0.98
00:03:59.520And now we have the papacy for the last two or three popes openly saying, hey, let all of these migrants come in.0.99
00:04:06.860Let them rule over you. Let them dominate you.1.00
00:04:10.300There's no reason why, you know, you can't have them living in your house.
00:04:16.680Of course, the Vatican has the Leonine Wall around it.
00:04:20.500It's its own private state of its own, a city state with its own kind of constitutions and its own bank, which, as we saw, was lending – was lent money by the Rothschilds all the way back to the 1830s such that the Rothschilds became the official bankers to the papacy.
00:04:39.240So how do we get to that from where we were in the Middle Ages?
00:04:44.080Well, first of all, I have to understand that Islam is itself a religion influenced by the Talmud.
00:04:49.900A lot of people want to say, well, there's Talmudic Judaism and there's Christianity and there's this other sort of positive religion that we can make a right-wing alliance with.0.67
00:04:59.500No, no, it's not going to work because, for one, Islam believes and has, as it's codified teaching, child brides.0.85
00:05:05.640That's something antithetical to Western ideology, Western Christian theology wholesale.0.95
00:05:11.980But it also has a very this-worldly approach, much like rabbinic Judaism.
00:05:17.060It's not focused on the transcendent or the spiritual.
00:05:19.440In fact, Allah really doesn't have anything to do with this world other than that he basically causes every single event.
00:05:25.120But he's not present in the world, and you don't have a relationship with Allah like you have with God in the Bible.
00:07:11.420The Arab people needed their religion.0.94
00:07:13.200And so that's why early on you have these statements in the Quran like,
00:07:16.520the people of the book, everybody be cool, everybody be chill.
00:07:20.040and then as time progresses it's in the quran the phases of it and then it turns into no actually
00:07:27.240all the idolaters have to be killed and if you believe in the trinity you're an idolater because
00:07:31.820if the quran says christians make monks and priests into gods which is not true but0.99
00:07:37.520that's the logic of the quran um and as well as many other dozens of contradictions but
00:07:44.740But this is now admitted by scholars today that there's all of these copy-paste pieces of varying religions in the Quran and their traditions.
00:07:55.380And remember that in Islam, it's not just the Quran.
00:07:57.940You also have to follow the hadiths, and whether you're Sunni or Shia, both have their normative hadiths that you have to follow.
00:08:42.740There's also a long history of Islam having its own secret societies.
00:08:48.640For example, if you look at the history of al-Qaeda, which is sort of a Western-created group within Islam to be kind of a proxy,
00:08:58.160Al-Qaeda itself had a very secret society type of structure.
00:09:03.960We know it was this billion, multi-billion dollar organization of operatives and whatnot throughout the world.
00:09:10.480And it had not just suspicious ties to Saudi Arabia and their intelligence, but also to the West, British intelligence and other Western intelligence throughout that whole Cold War period.
00:09:24.080and um that's where we get you know osama bin laden as this sort of enemy of the west friend
00:09:30.640of the west enemy of the west front of the west the sort of back orwellian back and forth
00:09:34.880that we saw throughout that period but this is really no different from what islam always was0.58
00:09:42.320that's why when you go back to the early uh phases of islam in the days of muhammad and then
00:09:48.320the successive periods afterwards with the split with the Shia, with the battles and the story of
00:09:56.660Ali and all that. The either branch really is very similar in that it's a kind of broom, as the
00:10:05.400rabbis say, of Judaism, even though it fights with rabbinic Judaism and thinks that it is superior to
00:10:11.660rabbinic Judaism. And there is a legitimate battle going on there. Like if you read Maimonides, he
00:10:16.200talks about how he genuinely doesn't like the Hagarenes or the Ishmaelites, and they genuinely
00:10:24.600don't like him. There was a whole massacre that occurred in his day that he wrote about
00:10:28.040when they would have these battles. But it would be the same with Christians as well. Eventually,
00:10:32.540Islam would go to battle, go to war against the supposed people of the book, because that's all0.98
00:10:38.040really pragmatic policy. You can kind of justify whatever you need to do at the time with this0.96
00:10:43.720religion. That's why sometimes sultans have utilized the religion as just a tool of the state.
00:10:49.940Meanwhile, they do everything that they want privately without following the religion.0.59
00:10:54.120And then sometimes you have one principle that's applied, you know, when Muslims are minorities in
00:10:58.920a country and they say, oh, well, we were just here as your friends. We're all people of the book.
00:11:04.000Islam doesn't teach, you know, that we have to practice actual jihad or no, that's when they0.99
00:11:09.440become the minority or when they become the majority, then they do. And they've always done1.00
00:11:13.220this. This is, if you read the history of this religion, this is how it operates. And you have
00:11:17.860to understand that it's a religion influenced by, as we said, indigenous Arab paganism. It's a
00:11:24.680religion that's influenced by Christianity in terms of Aryan and Nestorian versions or sects
00:11:30.080of Christianity. And those are sects that deny the full deity of the person of Christ, the Trinity,
00:11:35.480et cetera. So then you get these stories from the Talmud that go very heavily into influencing the
00:11:41.060hadiths and the quran in various places and gnostic stories like jesus and the story of the clay bird
00:11:47.560or whatever so islam has this long history of a kind of a syncretist religion but that's very0.90
00:11:53.780that's a perfect tool for states that can create these sort of martyr armies right and that's what
00:12:01.000islam is very good for is being a very proficient tool of the state and it's always been that1.00
00:12:08.920I'm not saying it's not a demonic religion.1.00
00:12:11.680But I'm saying it's also a very perfect tool for the state, and particularly for people that are not very good at logically reasoning through positions.0.66
00:12:21.340Because there's so many weird, bizarre things in Islam and in the Hadiths that it's kind of like, kind of, it's funny that people would fall for that, right?0.93
00:12:30.820Because some of it's kind of ridiculous.0.97
00:12:32.620But oftentimes we find in religions these very ridiculous things.0.97
00:12:38.140that you're meant to accept. And sometimes that acceptance is just so that you will be0.83
00:12:44.920and prove yourself to be obedient. In other words, if you read, for example, the Dune stories,
00:12:50.880and I know Alex has talked a lot about Dune. We are lecturing through Dune on my channel. We've
00:12:55.700done parts one and two, both the movies and the books. And then the third one, where it gets
00:13:01.040really weird, there's, there are still some good insights you have. For example, the religion of
00:13:05.780Paul Muadi, when he did a universal galactic jihad, he's basically enforced everybody in the0.94
00:13:11.420universe has to kind of take this pilgrimage to Arrakis, where you pay homage to Paul, kind of0.65
00:13:17.020like a Muhammad figure. And there's this discussion with his sister when his sister takes over the
00:13:22.040empire, and they're talking about how she runs a religion. And she says that really, the only
00:13:27.960reason that they enforced this was to prove obedience and to make sure that you obey,
00:13:33.200because there's nothing about flying to Arrakis that gives you any power or, you know, God doesn't care about that.
00:13:40.700But it's done pragmatically on the power of the state to ensure that you are obedient, to prove that you are loyal.0.90
00:13:49.680So likewise, I think Islam is very pragmatic in that way where you have all these things that make no sense.0.74
00:13:55.900For example, in the Koran, many of the early surahs, you have these chapters about things that are just sort of randomly from the book of Leviticus and Numbers, talking about like purity, ritual washings, all these sort of mosaic ceremonial Judaic commands.0.92
00:14:17.060And in Islam, they really have no purpose whatsoever, right?0.92
00:14:20.180So why are we doing all these ablutions and these washings?1.00
00:14:25.900And the answer is because Allah wills it.
00:14:28.140Okay, but why does Allah will that, right?
00:14:29.940In Christianity, you have the idea that all the ceremonial typological aspects are fulfilled in Christ.
00:14:36.460And so the Mosaic ceremonies have a purpose beyond just arbitrarily not eating pork, right?
00:14:42.660Paul says, for example, that the dietary laws were pedagogical, teaching you the difference between unclean animals and clean animals is a moral pedagogical lesson about virtues and vices.0.67
00:14:55.500Right. That's the same principle with not sewing two patches on the same garment is teaching you about not uniting yourself with evil.
00:15:04.440Right. Good and evil don't go together. They're like oil and water.
00:15:07.760So there were pedagogical teaching devices that had their fulfillment in the work of Christ on the cross, etc.
00:15:14.760So they get fulfilled. Thus, the older purpose is no longer there in terms of the actual performance of the mosaic ceremonies.
00:15:22.620But if you cut them out of that context and just sort of arbitrarily say, no, you still have to do every single little minutiae, you get the insanities of not just, you know, sort of extreme Hasidic religion where people wake up and they have to figure out whether God wants you to tie your right shoe first or your left shoe.0.53
00:15:40.880And they put strings around the whole neighborhood so that they're not violating the Sabbath by going outside because there's a string around the whole neighborhood so you're not outside.0.70
00:15:49.700So it turns into this ridiculous sort of playing tricks mind game.
00:15:54.120But as we saw, a lot of that is not actually just playing tricks to trick God.0.97
00:15:59.560It's actually a way to enforce obedience with ridiculous commands, ridiculous laws.0.85
00:16:04.840And that's what Dune is talking about in their version of the Hajj, your Mecca, your trip to Mecca on Arrakis versus your trip to Mecca in the real world of Islam.
00:16:15.740And wasn't Frank Herbert prescient when he talked about the future religion being Catholicism merged with Islam or some form of Sunni pagan Islam into the religion of Paul Muad'Dib, which is a fake religion?
00:16:32.100Because by the third book, Paul's religion is exposed as a fake religion.
00:16:35.960So although I don't think that Frank Herbert really cared about the religion, I think he was just projecting what he saw, the elite, the establishment.
00:16:44.960He was a GOP speechwriter, so he was projecting what they would be doing with the clash of civilizations to merge and to smash Islam against the West and that this would create some dialectical synthesis religion that we're now getting from the papacy itself talking about the merging of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism into this pseudo-religion of a kind of generic theism where you have the papacy setting up.
00:17:14.960this um abramic faith center a couple years ago where it's three giant you know sort of cubes
00:17:21.920where all the religions come and worship a cube it's really bizarre but it's basically proving
00:17:28.800that this idea that we all worship a generic masonic supreme being deity is a perfect tool
00:17:35.440for the manifestation of the creating of a global fake world religion now how that will go about
00:17:42.720what manifestation exactly that'll take we don't know it could go in the direction of you know ai
00:17:48.080antichrist who knows but we are seeing already that spirit manifest with the idea that all the
00:17:54.400world religions already sort of have a root common generic theism and islam is one of the perfect
00:18:01.360versions of that idea um in fact there was a debate a couple days ago that we covered on
00:18:06.960my channel after alex and and nick and other people were having this sort of back and forth
00:18:11.120with sneko and sneko was backing out of doing a debate sneko was on with myron and they were
00:18:15.760having this debate about whether or not america is a christian nation and they were both going
00:18:21.840back and forth and both of them were incorrect because in one sense it is one sense it isn't
00:18:26.000because they kept arguing over whether the generic god that's referred to you know one nation under
00:18:31.040god etc whether that's the christian god or whether it's all religions together worshiping
00:18:36.240some generic God. And this is really the trick that everybody falls for. But Islam is perfect
00:18:41.080because Islam has this very similar position about who Allah or God is to what you find in0.95
00:18:47.580the history of Islam. I mean, excuse me, the history of Freemasonry. Freemasonry posits that
00:18:52.040there is a generic sort of God out there, but it's not the God that refers directly to the person of
00:18:59.140Christ as the second person of Trinity. It's not Jesus as the son of God that saves you. It's just
00:19:04.580generic god and all the religions are sort of mass of that one uh supra religion and so that's
00:19:11.380a very similar position to what islam has about who quote god is or allah and that's why if you
00:19:17.460go to the masonic monument in dc where they honor washington the washington masonic monument i'm not
00:19:22.980talking about the the um the big phallus i'm talking about the actual alexandria washington
00:19:29.140masonic museum monument um they will they have a whole huge mural there dedicated to mecca
00:19:36.160and the idea is that all the religions are really teaching the same things uh this is silly because
00:19:41.440it ignores and excludes all the particularities and the different things that the religions
00:19:46.820100 contradict over they don't all teach the same thing and just because some things are in common
00:19:52.780doesn't mean it's a fallacy to say that because there's some things in common therefore they all
00:19:56.600the same common root that's a fallacy it simply doesn't follow things can have things in common
00:20:02.680without having the same root uh they can also have all kinds of contradictions as well so in
00:20:07.640other words you can have 98 differentiation because you have two percent overlap it doesn't
00:20:13.160follow from that that you have the same common you know origins you can think of easy examples
00:20:19.880of this like you know just because i use an apple in my uh you know if i draw a picture of an apple
00:20:26.680and apple computers has an apple as their logo it doesn't follow that both apple and i are coming
00:20:31.800from the same root somebody told us both to have the same logo right it's just doesn't feel silly
00:20:36.280it's a dumb argument so likewise this whole premise uh of the kind of perennial view of0.99
00:20:41.400religion that they're all the same religion because they have similarities is really stupid1.00
00:20:46.760it's very easy to to refute but on the part of the state though and on the part of the history0.98
00:20:52.200of the state it's very useful to manage and control and steer the religions through this
00:20:58.360kind of ideology that they're all essentially the same they all have the same root or they have0.74
00:21:02.280commonalities therefore they're basically just the same i mean christianity says you can't have
00:21:07.640like nine-year-old six-year-old brides right you can't just go slaughter everybody or you're not
00:21:13.720supposed to well islam has uh saints teachings that no actually you can do that so obviously
00:21:18.840these are very different religions on very basic points and we don't worship the same god but one
00:21:26.520of the ways that we got to this and we're going to talk a little bit more about the history of the
00:21:30.680battle between islam and the history of orthodox christianity and the history of the latin papal
00:21:37.640western church in terms of the crusades and whatnot um you have to understand some of that0.56
00:21:43.400history understand of where we got to because now we're in this cycle again where islam is basically
00:21:49.080stepping up to the plate and getting the upper hand but it's not because of any superiority of0.98
00:21:54.680their intellect or their prowess or their uh engineering skills they're not sending all their
00:22:02.040doctors over to italy and france it's because of global elites who are helping that and fostering
00:22:11.080it by design for over 100 years. And this is a strategy, a technique that's been used to fight
00:22:18.100via proxy against people that you see as your enemy. And of course, remember, we've all figured
00:22:23.580out now in the last couple of years, via all the rabbis that have talked about it, they see all of
00:22:28.280Western civilization and Christianity as Edom, as their enemy. And so it's justified to destroy the0.99
00:22:34.600West by bringing in all of these people to destroy Christianity, because they think that the West1.00
00:22:39.680christianity has to be destroyed before their moshiach their jewish messiah appears and so0.94
00:22:46.720this is all part of their necessary sort of tikkun ulam style you know work that they got to do0.98
00:22:53.440and islam is just as bad in fact islam is perhaps you could argue a little bit worse because i mean1.00
00:22:59.520islam will just openly come and sort of you know lop your heads off uh they'll burn your city down1.00
00:23:05.040openly, right? Versus, you know, do you want to be under usury or do you just want to have your1.00
00:23:10.020head lopped off? I guess I'll take usury over having my head lopped off. But again, they're0.92
00:23:13.780really both kind of the same sort of root ideology, which is a variant of sort of Talmudic
00:23:20.880pragmatic statecraft or kind of a secret society type of religion. And the papacy itself,
00:23:28.760unfortunately, eventually succumbed to that same sort of inner, outer, secret society model of
00:23:35.400governing the church or their church by the 11th and 12th century. And that's precisely why we got
00:23:41.900this horrible situation in the West where the church ends up split and divided. I'm going to
00:23:46.880show you something pretty fascinating that hardly anybody knows about, which is that right after the
00:23:51.480church split in 1054 between East and West, that same Pope, Gregory VII, wrote a really interesting
00:23:57.220letter to the Muslims. And I think you're going to be surprised when you see what it says, because
00:24:02.680this idea that we're all kind of worshiping the same God. I mean, like, what's the big deal?
00:24:07.860Who cares? Aren't we all on the same team here because we believe in God? No. I mean,
00:24:12.780it depends on what we're talking about. I mean, if I believe that there's one God and that God
00:24:17.840is Satan, then obviously because we worship one God, it's not the same God. This is obvious,
00:24:23.260right it's kind of it's kind of silly but many people fall for this right well we all believe
00:24:28.220in god well i don't believe in what the mormons think god is they think god is a graduated dude
00:24:35.420like adam who has a body right with a bunch of space wives a bunch of mormon space wives
00:24:41.740uh no i don't believe that that's kind of crazy okay but that's what mormons mean when they say
00:26:48.320You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.
00:26:53.920Welcome back to the fourth hour of The Alex Jones Show.
00:26:55.920We're talking about the history of Islam in the West, relationship to Christianity, to Judaism.1.00
00:27:01.280We're talking about the creation of a false one world religion.0.91
00:27:05.560And we have to go back to immediately after the schism between the East and the West in 1054, you have this pope named Gregory VII, who in the year 1076 wrote a letter to the Islamic king of Mauritania, King Anzir.
00:27:26.440And he wrote in this letter that he wanted to have good relationships between Christians and Muslims because they worship and adore the same God.
00:27:36.520He says, for although we believe and confess one God, it is done in different ways.
00:27:43.080We praise and worship him daily as the creator of all ages, for he is our peace who has made us both one.
00:27:48.980Applying Ephesians 2, which is about Jew and Gentile in the church, to the relationship between Christians and Muslims.
00:27:56.440which is ridiculous so in 1076 and by the way this is an an old text this is a this is cited
00:28:05.480in vatican ii this is in the roman catholic official dogma text the christian faith which
00:28:11.320is an updated version of denzinger which is their dogmatic collection list so this is not me making
00:28:17.960this up this is in their dogmatic text and that text right there is cited in vatican ii
00:28:23.000in the documents that deal with the relationship between Christians, Muslims, and Jews.
00:28:27.320Noser Tate III and Lumen Gentium XVI, two Vatican II documents.
00:28:30.480So those are official dogmatic Roman Catholic teachings, not just first said in the year 1076,
00:28:36.760but repeated and restated at the time of Vatican II in the 1960s.
00:28:41.640And they've been consistent Roman Catholic dogma since Vatican II,
00:28:46.200as all of the popes post-Vatican II have acted on that same position,
00:28:50.700praying together in the mosques towards Mecca, praying in the synagogues, like John Paul II
00:28:57.040did as the first pope really to ever do that publicly. And so this whole model of an ecumenist,
00:29:04.220syncretist, one-world religion, the very thing that Frank Herbert said would be the religion
00:29:08.940of the future in his Dune stories, that's what the papists actually acted on. They've been doing
00:29:15.580the same thing acting on the same thing as if it's not clearly what's taught in their documents
00:29:22.140right I'm speaking of the mindset of the Roman Catholic to defend it like they want to say well
00:29:26.080that's not really what it means and it's like well how do the popes act do they act on this as if
00:29:30.460that's what it means absolutely now how does this relate well if the west had not given up its
00:29:37.140religious heritage, it would have had a much stronger unified way to stand against the one0.89
00:29:45.620to two billion people that are now going to attempt to take over the West with this ridiculous1.00
00:29:51.780religion. And it's not just the one to two billion Muslims, it's also the power elite of the West,1.00
00:29:59.320the banking power elite of the West, particularly the Rothschild, Milner, Fabian circles that were0.71
00:30:04.580the first in the 1890s to discuss the radical alteration of the makeup of the Western people0.77
00:30:11.200groups by bringing in the untold amounts of this ridiculous sect. Now, Bertrand Russell talked0.90
00:30:17.960about it. George Bernard Shaw talked about it. Beatrice and Sidney Webb talked about it.
00:30:23.300Lord Rothschild and his circles talked about it, that eventually this might be the way to change
00:30:28.760the face of Europe to create a new type of Europe that was mongrelized their terminology
00:30:36.560and no longer had any cohesive people groups or any cohesive unity by which it could stand
00:30:43.040against this type of an alteration so that it could be moved into a future technocratic world
00:30:50.500state. And then it becomes a battle of, well, is it going to be a Jerusalem Tel Aviv-centric
00:30:56.680world state or will it be a united nations centric world state etc right so the the you get some
00:31:02.760technocrats who don't care about the idea of the middle east and then you have this sort of judaic
00:31:07.660supremacy type of view that's the battlegrounds and then you have this other player islam which0.87
00:31:14.380is really a tool that's used by some of these power elites to change the face of the west and0.97
00:31:21.700the world. And all of these players are really thinking of their own form of kind of new world
00:31:27.500order. So the main power, though, of course, in the West is this banking structure that has this
00:31:34.020rabbinic ideology that they can then extract the wealth of the population and then destroy that
00:31:41.320existing population because of this divine mandate they think that they have. Some of them, not all0.98
00:31:46.340them. And you have people who wrote about this 100 years ago, not just from the Fabian Society,
00:31:54.580but their friends like Count Kuttenhoff-Kalergi, who wrote the book Practical Idealism, which is
00:32:00.460known as the, quote, Kalergi plan. And it's his open plan to destroy Western civilization and
00:32:07.240destroy Europe to integrate it into a kind of world state. And he says that the purpose of0.54
00:32:13.400this really is to get rid of western peoples as they are and then to integrate them because1.00
00:32:19.200they're the problem right and then to integrate them into a judaic supremacy future society that's
00:32:24.740not a conspiracy there he says that in the book there's multiple places i've got a mark where he
00:32:29.140says that that's the purpose he says for example the new master race and this is the section called
00:32:37.620Judaism and the future nobility, the new master race will be a Judaic supremacist
00:32:43.780future nobility. That's the future nobility, according to Count Kudnov-Kalergi.0.98
00:32:53.120And this whole position is really about sort of integrating the West, integrating Europe
00:32:58.440into this new society. Now, his plan was not taken in total by the Royal Society elites,
00:33:06.380But they did like his plan, and they combined his plan with Lord Curtis's plan.
00:33:09.800That's mentioned by Quigley, by the way, in the Anglo-American establishment.0.92
00:33:14.500And the idea was that they could merge these two plans together to create this kind of mongrelized Western civilization that could then collapse with bringing in the Islamic hordes to alter this whole society.0.62
00:33:30.380and then integrated it into much more easily into the future technocratic system of, you know, whichever one, pick your flavor.0.99
00:33:40.640That's actually what we are living through right now.
00:33:46.760And I remember reading about this back in 2000, and I want to say seven was the first time I'd heard about the Calurgi plan and this kind of stuff.
00:34:00.380And then you go and you read this stuff and it's like, no, actually, yeah, they're very, very open about it.
00:34:04.640But I think they they don't think about really people reading these texts or really people knowing about it.
00:34:10.260But it's really important to understand it's a coordinated plan.
00:34:13.580And the plan is is it's necessary within this plan, within this overall strategy to really deracinate and to destroy the relationship of the church to the state.
00:34:25.940I know that there's a lot of Protestants in the audience and a lot of Protestants have a tradition, an idea that, well, Jesus doesn't have anything to do with civil government.0.60
00:34:34.300Jesus is your perfect, you know, private, personal, devotional God.
00:34:38.800And you can go to church, but we got to have this division between church and state.
00:34:43.300Well, even the founding fathers, the ones that were Christian, even they didn't think of a division between church and state.
00:34:49.680They thought about a separation between church and state.
00:34:51.920And even the earliest reformers couldn't have been successful, whether Luther or Calvin, without some degree of support from the state.
00:35:01.200The German princes, for example, supported Luther in his reformation.
00:35:07.040But the reason I'm saying this is because it's important to understand that the power structure that we're talking about many times over explicitly discuss their desire to sever Christianity from the state.0.71
00:35:21.920When Christianity had an influence on the state, when you had Christian states, there were laws and rules in place that would not allow, for example, the massive importation of these other groups, not allow for child brides, not allow for usury.
00:35:38.100The first thousand years of Christianity, when it became normative after Christian law took its place after, say, Theodosius or Justinian, you can't practice usury in the Christian imperium.0.92
00:35:53.620So this would limit the power of certain groups that were proficient at practicing usury.0.82
00:35:59.860But as the church split in the West, when you get this division between the East and the West, the first entity to begin to allow usury in the West wasn't Jews.0.85
00:36:09.920The papacy reversed its position and said, no, actually you can do usury in some cases.
00:36:15.740This is the same period when the papacy, by the way, officially printed the Talmud.
00:36:20.080So if you get up into the Renaissance era papacy, there's massive changes that occur in the Latin papal church, including the allowance of usury and including the official publication and printing of the Talmud.
00:36:35.360Now, Roman Catholics ignore all of that when they try to defend the papacy and blame Zionism or Judaism for everything.
00:36:40.540But in fact, these two entities are really working together, and there was a lot of affinity that many of the Renaissance popes had for Kabbalah and for mystical Judaism.
00:36:50.080And that allowed Western Europe to massively change and turn into a situation where eventually when the church became the state, and I'm speaking of the papacy here, I'm not saying there weren't Christian kings, but more and more and more throughout these centuries, the papacy began to claim more and more state power.
00:37:12.480In the 11th century, under that same pope that wrote the letter to the Muslims, Gregory VII had already stated in Dictatus Pape that the papacy was above all emperors and kings, was essentially the god emperor on earth.
00:37:26.080And if you didn't agree with him, he could excommunicate your whole nation, and he had standing armies, and he could also perhaps conquer you.
00:37:34.400By the 1830s, that power had gotten so insane that they had begun to lose that power, the actual political power, that, as we said, the papal states were going bankrupt.
00:37:49.400They had to get loans from the Rothschilds, and there was a series of these loans from the 1830s on that made the Rothschilds the official Vatican bankers because the Vatican has its own bank, Institute of Religious Works.
00:38:02.140That's what it eventually became called. So you understand that the papacy then ends up sort of a subservient entity to what we're talking about.
00:38:09.760And within a few years, you get more and more liberalizing in the Roman Catholic Church to where what were formerly dogmatic teachings about the necessity of the duty of the state to God and to the church to have a Christian state, they essentially abandoned that doctrine or the Protestant doctrine of religious liberty.
00:38:32.140And this might be hard for a lot of Protestants to hear, but many of the Protestant reformers were Judaized, and they had various versions of Judaizing teachings.
00:38:41.540And so they, except for Calvin, who was very Judaic in his approach, they were also favorers of religious liberty.
00:38:51.860In other words, to sever the relationship of church and state so that the state could operate supposedly independently of the church.
00:38:59.760But what you actually get is a kind of secular religion, you get another version of the church.
00:39:09.220This is the whole error of the Enlightenment philosophy is that there's these neutrality positions, that we can have a neutral constitution, a neutral state, a non-ethical, or excuse me, a non-committed, you know, 10 basic natural law positions.
00:39:27.180okay natural law under what deity just like we saw with the idea of the supreme being
00:39:33.040the masonic idea like what are you talking about what is this deity if it's a deity that's a deistic
00:39:38.960thing that we don't know that's an irrelevant deity it doesn't even it's not even more talking
00:39:43.260about so obviously that's not the same thing that christianity is talking about whether you believe
00:39:46.640it or not they're obviously different right because christianity is not doesn't teach deism
00:39:50.420it doesn't teach the masonic idea of a generic god it teaches the trinity and the deity of christ
00:39:54.800that's the basics of christianity so obviously these are different positions likewise within
00:40:00.080the idea of classical liberalism or natural law what are you talking about natural law i mean
00:40:07.520which natural law philosopher are we even talking about because they differed amongst each other
00:40:11.280right when i look at nature i see predator and prey is that natural law what are you talking
00:40:15.120about no we mean obviously the rights of the individual the human you know the human dignity
00:40:19.840where's that in nature i mean if i look at nature i see lions eating gazelles i see all kinds of
00:40:26.880predator prey relationships so it doesn't make sense to say well you just look at nature and you
00:40:30.640can derive these natural law principles right i just debated stuff on molyneux we had a big debate
00:40:35.920at word war debate shout out to sam tripoli and word war debate great great time in nashville
00:40:41.600if you watch that debate some of what i'm talking about right now came up in that that debate with
00:40:45.520with Stefan Molyneux. I'm not hating on Stefan. I like Stefan in terms of, you know, we've had a
00:40:49.960lot of good exchanges back and forth over the years. I had Stefan on Fourth Hour, what, maybe
00:40:55.240a year or two ago. So I'm not hating on Stefan. I'm just pointing out that the liberal, classical
00:41:02.260liberal enlightenment ethos, which is essentially premised on not just natural law and natural
00:41:08.980rights but also the idea of uh neutrality that we just look at the thing and it's just a brute fact
00:41:17.300it's just obvious what it is you just you just list the principles of natural law and that's
00:41:22.500just what they are okay and but what what under what god what are you talking about well we all
00:41:28.340know god right no we don't like if you go talk to a scientologist what they think god is is very
00:41:34.180different from what a mormon thinks god is from what a chosen witness thinks god is from what a
00:41:38.660a muslim thinks god is and western civilization was not built on a generic god it wasn't built
00:41:49.220on the masonic supreme being principles western civilization with the most powerful successful
00:41:55.780empire in world history the roman eastern roman empire the byzantine empire was built on orthodox
00:42:03.640Christianity, the Trinity and the deed of Christ, and Christian law, and a Christian state.
00:42:09.820After Byzantium fell, Russia continued this idea of the necessity of some earthly political power
00:42:18.300having the sword. And we say that because Paul says in Romans 13 that the state has a duty under
00:42:25.620God to exact Christian law and Christian principles, not saying that we go and try to
00:42:30.920take over the state. That's not what Christianity does. Christianity tries to convert people.
00:42:35.440And then eventually, downstream from that is the Christian state. This is the whole history of the0.92
00:42:40.560church. And I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. Protestants, that's the reality of it.
00:42:44.340Protestantism is very new. It's only, what, 1600s, 16th century era stuff. Okay. And prior to that,
00:42:51.060there was all kinds of Christianity before you guys. And there were Christian states, Christian
00:42:55.220kings, great kings of Serbia that fought Muslims for centuries, who became martyrs, became saints0.93
00:43:02.340in the Orthodox Church for fighting Islam. Just look up the Serbian kings that fought Muslims for0.94
00:43:07.740centuries. Even Dracula gets a bad rap because Dracula was pretty much kind of based. People
00:43:14.560think of him as this nasty, evil figure because he would put heads on poles or whatever. But if0.89
00:43:21.180you actually read the history of dracula uh the count he lived in this period when he was sort of
00:43:27.840on the border of like uh latin papism and orthodox christianity um and he was a great defender of
00:43:35.160romania and transylvania etc from the muslim hordes and so he's gotten this bad rap as being
00:43:41.240this sort of like i don't know if you watch francis or coppola like he's some sort of satanist
00:43:46.200that's drinking blood or something like that's not that's not at all true um i mean he's not
00:43:50.800necessarily a saint i'm just saying like he was just uh the normal sort of european uh ruler who
00:43:56.760defended his lands from the muslim invaders so um that's the real history of the christian state
00:44:05.140is protecting people from the islamic invaders and the crusades and there were multiple motivations
00:44:11.820for the Crusades. I'm not saying that they were the best idea, but I do think that even these1.00
00:44:17.040corrupt popes thought that they were necessary at the time. And so they were sending these
00:44:23.580warriors to go defend the Christian sites against Muslim invaders, Christian pilgrims.0.75
00:44:30.800Now, I'm sure there were other motivations of, you know, greedy kings, sure. And there were0.80
00:44:36.300Most of the Crusades, I think, I mean, there were some successes, but also the papacy in 1204 massacred the Orthodox Christians.
00:44:45.660So even the papacy supposedly apologized for that some years back.0.79
00:44:50.360But the reality is that you can't have a neutral state.
00:45:42.120And certainly the spiritual is above the temporal.
00:45:45.420But Jesus also established the heads of states providentially in the Bible.
00:45:51.400That's why Romans 13 says the state, the ruler is a diakonos in the Greek.
00:45:57.220And Paul is at that time talking about a Roman emperor.
00:46:00.360The Roman emperor is the diakonos, which is the same word for deacon, under God.
00:46:04.560So he has a duty and a role under God.
00:46:07.420By the time of the Christianizing of the Roman Empire, when the Orthodox Catholic Church took over and basically established the Christian Imperium, not saying that was the primary goal, the gospel and the liturgy, et cetera, that's the primary goal.
00:46:23.100The secondary effects would be things like the Christianizing of law and the Christianizing of the state.
00:46:29.600I just did a talk on this at the Ludwell Conference.
00:46:33.200you can go to my channel and check out in the video section my hour-long talk on the history of
00:46:38.400christian law byzantine law and how you can't get away from a christian state no matter how
00:46:44.000much classical liberalism you want this was all really promoted by uh the protestant and jewish
00:46:50.720powers at the time to de-christianize the state whether catholic or orthodox because they wanted0.84
00:46:56.080a neutral state of religious liberty religious freedom so that they could go and have usury and
00:47:02.080there could be a rise of the merchant class which is exactly what happened in western europe
00:47:06.400and then that merchant class all right gave rise to even worse situations uh you eventually get
00:47:12.960over time the rise of marxism and socialism from these same entities all because of this
00:47:19.600of the forfeiting of the idea of a christian state and i'm not saying oh that means we have
00:47:25.040to join with doug wilson and create his crazy calvinist protestant christian nationalism
00:47:45.620And what's the entire history of Christianity from the time of Constantine and Theodosius and Justinian up until the Reformation?
00:47:53.820Christian kings and Christian states that are connected to at least the idea of a church,
00:48:00.220whether it's the Latin Western papal church or the Eastern Orthodox Catholic church,
00:48:06.100there's still a church, right? The idea that you could have a Christian nationalism
00:48:10.580with 30,000 different Protestant sects is completely ridiculous. It's retarded.1.00
00:48:15.680So no, I'm not saying we join with Doug Wilson or anything like that. I'm saying that1.00
00:48:19.960you have to have a church that is speaking to the state in symphonia. That's the model of
00:48:27.300symphonia. That's what worked in Western civilization's own history already. And we
00:48:32.700think, oh, but we're so much more advanced, right? We're beyond all of that. We have iPhones and we
00:48:38.740have all that now. Yeah, but so what? Like, what does that have to do with whether or not the
00:48:42.660society is actually virtuous? What does it matter if you have all this, the tack and all this,
00:48:46.960you know complexity if the society collapses and degrades without any basic moral compass
00:48:53.620and you don't get a basic moral compass from just natural law well we just look at the natural law
00:48:59.540natural law with what context with what worldview what is nature what are you even talking about
00:49:04.600you can't say these things about some worldview that gives them meaning or context the only
00:49:10.440worldview that makes sense of it is a historic christian paradigm a christian worldview
00:49:14.300that's the worldview that banned usury for the first thousand years of Christianity
00:49:20.120the orthodox imperial banned usury but now we think we're smarter than all that and we're
00:49:26.200going to have a neutral classical liberal state where we worship mammon and we allow usury to
00:49:32.900come back because that's just advanced and that's progressive no it's not uh that's why we're in all
00:49:38.700the problems that we're in is the idea that we can forfeit the duty of the state to God
00:49:45.140And you can't have the duty of the state to God without some existing group of normative authority, namely a church, that speaks to the state.
00:49:54.620I'm not saying that there aren't spheres of authority.
00:49:57.340If you look at the Byzantine double-headed eagle, there's two heads.
00:50:00.620The two heads are supposed to symbolize the two separate domains of church and state.
00:50:05.600So they are separate and distinct, but they're not divided.
00:50:09.160That's what doesn't make any sense because it's the people that are the one body.
00:50:12.200and that people have a spiritual side to them and they have a temporal side to them.
00:50:17.900So church and state, the spiritual and the temporal, work together in symphony and harmony.
00:50:23.620Ever since the Reformation and the classical liberal revolutions and the Marxist-Socialist revolutions,
00:50:28.720we're told that no, the severing of that body into half to create a dialectical tension of the people versus their own nobles and kings,
00:50:38.780which is obviously a Marxist socialist dialectical trick
00:50:43.120the people versus the oppressed and presser dynamics
00:50:46.800and that's a tool that other elites use