The Alex Jones Show Live - See Highlights Of Anna Paulina Luna's MKUltra Mind Control Hearings Held On June 30th, 2026

00:00:00.000 Let me be clear what I believe that we are dealing with here.

00:00:03.860 Administering drugs to people without their knowledge or consent,

00:00:06.380 subjecting humans to psychological torture,

00:00:08.680 and using prisoners and hospital patients as non-consenting research subjects.

00:00:13.340 These are crimes against humanity.

00:00:15.880 The Central Intelligence Agency committed them,

00:00:18.260 and then the director of the CIA was ordering the destruction of evidence.

00:00:23.180 And this program, when it did end,

00:00:25.320 the men who ran it did not cooperate with investigators.

00:00:28.200 They did not come forward.

00:00:29.080 they committed another crime. They destroyed evidence. The documents this task force has

00:00:34.760 reviewed are unambiguous. In January 1973, the director of the CIA, Richard Helms, prepared to

00:00:41.180 leave office. He personally ordered the destruction of MKUltra records. The CIA official document in

00:00:47.100 writing states, over my stated objectives, the MKUltra files were destroyed by the order of DCI

00:00:54.140 Mr. Helms shortly before his departure from office. A separate internal account confirms

00:00:59.700 that Helms telephoned Dr. Gottlieb directly and instructed him to destroy, quote, all files

00:01:04.720 pertaining to drug research and associated activities. Is it in your expert opinion that

00:01:09.080 Jack Ruby and Manson were assets of the intelligence agency specifically pertaining to MKUltra?

00:01:16.100 Were they MKUltra? Yeah, theoretically, Manson, I've never been able to prove absolutely. Jack

00:01:21.600 ruby i believe this is something else the warren commission investigation uh on the warren

00:01:29.380 commission was alan dulles the former cia director who authorized and ran mk altar until he was fired

00:01:36.660 by president kennedy the liaison to the committee for the cia who handled the information coming

00:01:43.400 from the cia back and forth to the warren commission was richard helms who was a direct

00:01:47.700 supervisor of jolly west they knew who west was they knew that what west was capable of and what

00:01:54.820 they had paid him to do and what he had reported to them that he could do including inducing

00:02:00.500 mental disorders in people that was never disclosed to the commission as far as anyone knows

00:02:07.060 so i believe that west was put in there to keep jack ruby from telling his story in 1951 the cia

00:02:13.300 hired Gottlieb and directed him to launch what became MKUltra. Gottlieb believed that in order

00:02:19.680 to find a way to implant a new mind into someone's brain, you first had to find a way to destroy the

00:02:28.460 mind that was in there already. In its search for ways to destroy a human mind and body,

00:02:35.900 MKUltra conducted the most extreme experiments on human beings that have ever been carried out by

00:02:42.600 a U.S. government agency. By any standard, they qualify as medical torture. These experiments

00:02:49.880 took place in prisons, clinics, and safe houses in the United States, in Europe, in Asia, and even

00:02:56.240 in Latin America. When I was researching my book, I found what I think might be the first secret CIA

00:03:02.080 prison or black site. It's a nice chalet in Germany. And the guy who now owns it took me

00:03:08.260 into the basement. He said these were the cells where the MKUltra officers, working side by side

00:03:16.260 with Nazis, carried out those gruesome experiments, which were actually just continuations of the

00:03:25.360 experiments that those Nazis had been conducting just a few years earlier right down the road.

00:03:30.440 Just for timeline and clarification, these experiments were happening after the Nuremberg

00:03:34.000 trials, correct? So the CIA would have known that these were crimes against humanity.

00:03:38.260 I looked for an episode in which the Nuremberg doctrines were posted on the wall in some MK

00:03:43.920 Ultra or CIA office, and I was never able to find any indication that those Nuremberg principles

00:03:49.600 ever were even consulted, much less obeyed. What about covering up harmful side effects of vaccines

00:03:55.880 and the role that the NIH has played in that? What do you have to say about that, ma'am?

00:04:01.180 the u.s history of human subject protection has evolved greatly numerous research improprieties

00:04:10.640 from the 50s to the 70s in the united states including the tuskegee syphilis study

00:04:16.080 forced congress to establish formerly federal i'm not asking you about that rules you know what i'm

00:04:21.660 asking you about i'm asking you about how nih handled covid obviously this is supposed to be

00:04:27.680 a hearing about mk ultra but when you gave your opening statement and i don't even know why you

00:04:32.060 were called to this hearing because you didn't offer anything about mk ultra but since you are

00:04:36.880 here and you're going to defend nih i'm going to call you out on it that's the most powerful thing

00:04:49.320 i've seen yet you see now what i'm talking about when you say that the nih doesn't have

00:04:53.960 integrity problems and trust issues did you hear the applause in this room that should tell you

00:04:59.860 right now that you're pretty tone deaf to what the public thinks about how the nih handled covid

00:05:04.580 and the cover-up not only the funding of it but the cover-up involved in the aftermath can you

00:05:10.880 acknowledge that mk ultra and before that you know operation artichoke and others the 50s 60s

00:05:23.680 and 70s, is some of the last stuff to be declassified.

00:05:27.840 The last time we got into this was in the 70s, and that was MKUltra

00:05:31.400 and MKNaomi and Artichoke before that.

00:05:35.320 And it's the government creating syphilis, weaponized, putting it in text

00:05:38.680 and releasing it on you and on the Cubans.

00:05:41.020 Anything they do to others, they do to us, criminal elements

00:05:43.620 of the government, and then putting LSD on the campuses,

00:05:47.560 creating the counterculture, creating ugly architecture,

00:05:50.860 or to demoralize us, creating the LGBT movement and pushing it.

00:05:55.980 I mean, there's been a lot came out, assassination of citizens, you name it.

00:06:00.340 But now most of MKUltra never got declassified.

00:06:04.600 And, of course, there's a lot more stuff going on, but this is what we know about.

00:06:08.600 Well, Trump ordered it declassified.

00:06:11.000 Gabbard was getting ready to. 0.85

00:06:12.360 They raided her.

00:06:13.420 She said, well, they didn't really raid it, but they said we shouldn't have given you that.

00:06:15.580 And they came and grabbed it from her offices, remember, a month or so ago, five weeks ago.

00:06:20.860 And then they were going to have hearings that Anna Paulina Luna, who has a lot of courage, was putting on. 0.84

00:06:25.000 Those got canceled for national security issues. 0.64

00:06:27.400 But now, starting this morning at like 9 a.m. Eastern, and they're in the middle of it now.

00:06:32.440 I think they're adjourned for late lunch.

00:06:34.940 This is going on.

00:06:38.080 So a lot of amazing clips.

00:06:39.940 Let's go to MKUltra hearing, Dr. Kinzer opening statement.

00:06:47.340 And, boy, it is all over the place.

00:06:51.700 You've got in documents Jack Ruby, who we knew was CIA, killing Lee Harvey Oswald was CIA, Charles Manson, CIA, which we always knew, but there it is.

00:07:04.740 MKUltra minority witnesses defend Fauci, I mean, which is a modern MKUltra.

00:07:10.340 Tom O'Neill, journalist, asked questions about MKUltra. It was ignored.

00:07:13.440 Annapolina Luna on CIA Nazis in Nuremberg, locating victims. 0.99

00:07:20.060 We brought up a bunch of the Nazis over to help set up the new CIA.

00:07:23.180 M. Kildred, Annapolina opening statement.

00:07:25.380 Let's play Annapolina Luna's opening statement, clip B.

00:07:29.860 Then let's play clip C, Dr. Kinzer, who's helping bring all this forward.

00:07:36.420 And then we'll look at more of the clips and then more that are coming in.

00:07:39.940 Obviously, we'll digest this.

00:07:41.860 Harrison Smith's coming in.

00:07:42.880 he's going to be really focused on this coverage.

00:07:45.720 I mean, I'm tempted to come in here on a Saturday

00:07:47.920 and like air six, seven hours of the whole thing

00:07:50.120 and just stop and start it.

00:07:51.680 I mean, this is, and this is confirming everything.

00:07:55.380 Oh, you always said Ruby was CIA.

00:07:58.440 You always, Rubowitz, you always said that Charlie Manson was CIA.

00:08:03.560 Yeah, we knew that, but now here it is in the documents.

00:08:07.620 Who else was CIA?

00:08:08.720 The Unabomber.

00:08:09.340 who was the doctor for sirhan sirhan rfk jr's dad's killer or supposed killer we know really

00:08:20.240 did it the skunkworks guy behind him who was the doctor to lee harvey oswald's killer jack ruby

00:08:31.060 same him killed for dr jolly and west who was the doctor to tim mcveigh jolly and west and he goes

00:08:37.180 He was like most of the killers, most of the lone wolves.

00:08:40.680 He was the deputy head of MKUltra under Dr. Ewan Cameron.

00:08:43.540 So a lot of this is already out from the 70s.

00:08:45.300 Now even more is out.

00:08:48.380 But see, because Congress is allowed to get it, even if the CIA tries to block it.

00:08:51.540 So we're being spoon-fed this by them.

00:08:53.580 But Congress is now saying they're going to publish this into the record.

00:08:56.640 I can't wait to see it.

00:08:58.700 But boy, are we not right again?

00:09:00.240 You're like, we already know all this.

00:09:01.260 Well, see what I told you.

00:09:02.300 and that's where we are.

00:09:08.400 So let's go ahead and go to these opening statements.

00:09:09.900 Here they are.

00:09:13.240 Annapolino Luna.

00:09:14.620 This hearing is about the crimes committed

00:09:16.740 by the Central Intelligence Agency

00:09:18.740 against the American citizens

00:09:19.900 and the decades of secrecy used to conceal them.

00:09:22.880 The American people deserve a complete and truthful record.

00:09:26.520 The victims and their families deserve acknowledgement

00:09:28.520 and this Congress has a constitutional obligation

00:09:31.440 to ensure that full declassification is not delayed any longer.

00:09:36.140 Project MKUltra was not a policy failure or an overzealous program that got out of hand.

00:09:40.800 It was a deliberate, systematic governmental operation that subjected American citizens,

00:09:46.380 prisoners, hospital patients, veterans, ordinary people to LSD, electroshock, hypnosis,

00:09:52.440 sensory deprivation, psychological torture without their knowledge or consent.

00:09:56.600 This went on for 20 years on American soil, funded by American taxpayer dollars,

00:10:00.520 and authorized by the very top of U.S. intelligence apparatus.

00:10:05.220 And this program, when it did end, the men who ran it did not cooperate with investigators.

00:10:10.040 They did not come forward.

00:10:11.380 They committed another crime.

00:10:13.040 They destroyed evidence.

00:10:15.040 The documents this task force has reviewed are unambiguous.

00:10:18.860 In January 1973, the director of the CIA, Richard Helms, prepared to leave office.

00:10:23.820 He personally ordered the destruction of M. Kulture records.

00:10:26.360 the CIA official document in writing states over my stated objectives the MKUltra files

00:10:34.380 were destroyed by the order of DCI Mr. Helms shortly before his departure from office

00:10:38.920 a separate internal account confirms that Helms telephoned Dr. Gottlieb directly and instructed

00:10:44.680 him to destroy quote all files pertaining to drug research and associated activities

00:10:50.220 Gottlieb compiled four people, spent an entire day tearing, burning down 152 files.

00:10:57.760 Then Gottlieb had his personal papers destroyed by his secretary before he retired.

00:11:02.360 The head of the CIA-owned records center protested the destruction in writing, but he was overruled.

00:11:08.720 That is obstruction of justice.

00:11:11.080 That is criminal destruction of federal records.

00:11:13.540 And neither individuals were ever charged with a crime for it.

00:11:16.680 Helms received a $2,000 fine for lying to Congress about an unrelated manner

00:11:21.640 and collected his government pension until he died.

00:11:24.860 Gottlieb retired in rural Virginia and wrote poetry.

00:11:28.220 No one went to prison.

00:11:29.780 No victim was ever formally compensated by the government for the harm that they caused.

00:11:34.960 By 1975, the Church Committee and the Rockefeller Commission had already established

00:11:39.140 their sworn testimony and the surviving 1963 Inspector General report that MKUltra existed

00:11:44.620 and that the CIA had run a program of human experimentation on unwitting Americans.

00:11:50.280 The scope and detail of what we know today is largely because of an accident.

00:11:55.180 In 1977, an archivist diligently complying with a FOIA request

00:11:59.840 discovered seven boxes of MKU financial records that had been misfiled and escaped the bonfire.

00:12:07.660 Those seven boxes included the names of institutions, the name of subprojects,

00:12:11.620 projects, the researchers who participated, the specific operation that the CIA had funded,

00:12:18.040 and without them, the vast majority of MKUltra would only be a rumor just as Helms and Gottlieb

00:12:23.280 intended. Those seven boxes revealed that MKUltra comprised at least 149 subprojects operated

00:12:29.860 across more than 80 institutions and involved 185 non-government researchers. They revealed that

00:12:37.600 the CIA covertly contributed $375,000 to a hospital research wing,

00:12:42.040 which was approved directly by DCI Allen Dulles, which Richard Helms' concurrence,

00:12:48.200 so the agency could use unwitting patients as experimental subjects

00:12:51.880 in what their own documents called a hospital safehouse.

00:12:56.540 The CIA's inspector general said in 1963, his classified report concluded that the program

00:13:01.460 had exceeded the agency's legal chapter, and covert testing on unwitting subjects

00:13:06.040 place the rights and interests of U.S. citizens in jeopardy. The program ran for a decade that we

00:13:11.920 know of, and they ignored their own watchdog. Let me be clear what I believe that we are dealing

00:13:18.420 with here. Administering drugs to people without their knowledge or consent, subjecting humans to

00:13:23.280 psychological torture, and using prisoners and hospital patients as non-consenting research

00:13:28.360 subjects. These are crimes against humanity. The Central Intelligence Agency committed them,

00:13:33.500 And then the director of the CIA was ordering the destruction of evidence.

00:13:39.540 Today we will hear from two witnesses who have spent years unraveling the cover-up that our government ordered.

00:13:45.680 Stephen Kinzer documented the life and crimes of Sidney Gottlieb in his book Prisoner of Chief,

00:13:50.880 and Tom O'Neill spent over 20 years investigating what the CIA buried and what they obscured

00:13:56.980 that, in my mind, constitutes some of the worst notorious crimes against humanity in the 20th century.

00:14:03.480 Their persistence in the research in this hearing is possible simply because they are patriots.

00:14:09.240 The American people deserve the complete record.

00:14:11.500 The victims and their families deserve acknowledgement, accountability, and justice.

00:14:15.680 And this Congress has a constitutional obligation to make sure that the CIA never does this again.

00:14:21.720 With that, I'm going to be opening up first questions, and I'll hold my questions to the end.

00:14:26.180 All right, let's stop right there.

00:14:27.140 I'm going to go to more of this, and the real meat and potatoes coming up.

00:14:29.040 And I want to get her opening statement, because she's really been pushing this.

00:14:31.180 And she's learning a lot

00:14:33.580 She's a great lady

00:14:34.240 But I talked to her

00:14:35.220 Some of her information

00:14:35.980 But she's moving along here

00:14:38.000 Getting into this

00:14:38.580 M. Kilder is a tiny part of all this

00:14:40.940 But it's one of the places

00:14:42.480 That they slipped up

00:14:43.420 And it came out

00:14:44.020 And it's horrible

00:14:45.000 Look at this article today

00:14:46.580 Spy chiefs in revolt

00:14:48.140 Over Trump demand

00:14:48.980 For master list

00:14:49.920 Of every secret agent

00:14:51.920 Fearing a catastrophic risk

00:14:55.560 So the president

00:14:56.660 Can't be trusted

00:14:57.460 And all the secret agents are

00:14:58.740 Because they're in corporations

00:15:00.140 They're in the church

00:15:02.160 They're in the lighthouse

00:15:03.200 They're everywhere

00:15:03.920 That's at alexjoneslive.com

00:15:07.320 If you want to read that article by Sean Miller

00:15:09.060 U.S. spy agencies refused to give Trump a master list of spies

00:15:14.780 So there you go

00:15:17.780 Just to show you how this is the tail wagging the dog

00:15:20.500 These people are out of control

00:15:22.760 The 1947 National Security Act basically made the CIA above the law

00:15:26.500 Set it outside of the other branches of government

00:15:29.440 some oversight by Congress, but then they get caught spying on Congress, blackmailing Congress.

00:15:34.360 It's out of control. They're talking about Gottlieb all day. He's at the top of it,

00:15:39.120 but it was Ewing Cameron really ran it, and then Jolly and West under him. And I mean,

00:15:43.760 like dozens of the lone killers, and the bombers, and the McVeighs, and the Unabombers, and Sirhan

00:15:51.320 Sirhan. It's all him, him, him, him, him, him, him, him, him, him. So it's a big deal, but all

00:15:57.160 the geoengineering, the 5G, the Prozac, the drugs, all that is an externalization of the

00:16:03.220 testing of MKUltra and MKNaomi and Artichoke before that and many others. And the secret

00:16:08.680 testing is also about seeing the military and private groups and intelligence will do lethal

00:16:13.560 tests on people or quasi-lethal or deadly, dangerous, to then compromise them with the

00:16:18.980 fact that they've now committed crimes. Why do you think Fauci has all these different groups

00:16:23.280 get dogs, remove their larynxes, put flesh-eating worms on them, screw worms, to eat their bodies.

00:16:28.920 It's about making the staff do it before they commit some new horrible, horrific thing.

00:16:33.920 We've got some news about torturing animals to death coming up today that ties into PETA

00:16:37.640 that nobody else is covering you don't want to miss. In fact, I'll hit that after we get into

00:16:41.040 the MKUltra stuff because it's a spinoff of MKUltra through a particular professor.

00:16:46.740 And the whole animal rights movement is as well. We'll explain how that works.

00:16:50.160 But right now, let's now go to the opening statement of Dr. Kinzer.

00:16:58.400 This is important.

00:16:58.980 Here it is.

00:17:00.140 Thank you very much, Madam Chairman.

00:17:02.360 Let me begin by expressing my gratitude to this task force for confronting the enormous issue of overclassification of government documents and the culture of secrecy that enables it.

00:17:14.200 I'm especially gratified by your interest in MKUltra, the project the CIA carried out

00:17:20.240 through the 1950s in an attempt to find the secret of mind control.

00:17:25.820 MKUltra was one of the most secret government programs in American history.

00:17:31.220 The chemist who directed it, Sidney Gottlieb, lived in total anonymity.

00:17:36.580 My book, Poisoner in Chief, may be the most complete account of MKUltra that exists in

00:17:42.140 public, but I'm painfully aware that I have discovered only a small portion of what MK

00:17:49.180 Ultra was and what Sidney Gottlieb did. In 1951, the CIA hired Gottlieb and directed

00:17:55.680 him to launch what became MK Ultra. Gottlieb believed that in order to find a way to implant

00:18:02.120 a new mind into someone's brain, you first had to find a way to destroy the mind that

00:18:09.920 was in there already. In its search for ways to destroy a human mind and body, MKUltra conducted

00:18:17.960 the most extreme experiments on human beings that have ever been carried out by a U.S. government

00:18:24.240 agency. By any standard, they qualify as medical torture. These experiments took place in prisons,

00:18:32.560 clinics, and safe houses in the United States, in Europe, in Asia, and even in Latin America.

00:18:37.900 Now, officers of MKUltra were authorized to travel to foreign countries, preferably those

00:18:45.040 under formal or informal U.S. occupation, and ask the local CIA station to provide them

00:18:51.980 with expendables, human beings who would not be missed if they disappeared.

00:18:58.620 Gottlieb had what amounted to a license to kill issued by the U.S. government.

00:19:05.020 neither the number of mk ultra victims nor the number of those who were experimented to death

00:19:13.860 is known gottlieb as a result of this license to kill might have been the most powerful unknown

00:19:22.700 american of the 20th century some information about mk ultra spilled out during the 1970s

00:19:30.480 but senior CIA officers had intentionally let Gottlieb operate without supervision.

00:19:37.420 So they were able to claim that they knew nothing about his excesses.

00:19:41.520 This was a way for the CIA to deny its institutional role in MKUltra

00:19:46.580 and to portray it misleadingly as the product of one man's sadism or excessive zeal.

00:19:55.400 Investigating MKUltra is challenging because when Gottlieb and his mentor Richard Helms

00:19:59.540 left the cia in 1973 they illegally ordered that its records be destroyed

00:20:04.220 soon afterwards under dci stansfield turner a cia analyst as you pointed out madame chairman

00:20:10.980 discovered a catch of mk ultra documents hidden among financial records turner credited that

00:20:16.900 analyst with doing a very diligent job of sherlock holmzing that same diligence i believe could bring

00:20:26.140 results today. One of the great mysteries of MK Ultra has to do with the death in 1953 of an MK

00:20:34.960 Ultra scientist, Frank Olson, who had announced his intention to quit the project. His plunge from

00:20:40.940 a New York hotel room was described in the press as the suicide of an army scientist. He was not

00:20:48.340 an army scientist. He worked for the CIA. And evidence suggests that his death may not have

00:20:54.320 been a suicide so there could be hidden documents that could illuminate this case i would also point

00:21:00.920 out that i had a shot on it's real about the window unknown documents this committee could

00:21:06.480 do a tremendous service by simply asking for the end of redactions on the documents that we now

00:21:13.340 have there are reams of documents about mk ultra that have heavy sections redacted in the 1970s

00:21:20.780 This was justified by the argument that it had only been 20 years since these terrible things had happened

00:21:26.140 and revealing details might affect national security.

00:21:29.260 Now 70 years have passed.

00:21:31.300 That argument can no longer be valid.

00:21:33.440 So I would urge this committee to try to fill out all the blank spaces in the documents that we have

00:21:39.980 because we know that is there.

00:21:41.900 this task force could also consider trying to determine whether some new incarnation

00:21:49.020 of mk ultra exists today when the main phase of mk ultra drew to a close in the early 1960s

00:21:56.540 sydney gottley concluded that it had failed that in fact there is no such thing as mind control

00:22:03.940 even if he was right however he may have been right only at that time in the many decades since

00:22:12.920 then there have been enormous advance advances in cyber technology in artificial intelligence

00:22:20.100 in neuroscience covert agencies may have access now to tools for mind control that sydney godley

00:22:27.820 could not even have imagined. It may well have been true in 1963 that mind control is

00:22:34.580 a myth, but whether it's still true is uncertain. And that question of whether mind control

00:22:45.720 might now be possible under our new circumstances is something that has presumably occurred

00:22:52.980 to scientists who work for secret services, including our own.

00:22:58.080 This task force has a chance to connect the past to the future.

00:23:03.040 A renewed effort to find MKUltra documents from the 1950s and to fill out the redactions

00:23:09.360 of those that have been released might shed new light on how the CIA operated during that

00:23:14.580 period.

00:23:15.740 It could also inform a new inquiry into whether any mind-control projects are now underway

00:23:21.380 inside the U.S. security apparatus.

00:23:24.440 That might help prevent the emergence of a 21st century MKUltra

00:23:28.540 that could be even more destructive than the original.

00:23:31.300 What do you think social media is?

00:23:33.880 It's all externalized now.

00:23:35.220 It's gone from beta to operational.

00:23:37.420 Why is it we only have some stuff from the 50s and 60s?

00:23:42.800 Why are they redacting the Epstein files?

00:23:44.860 That's all mind control.

00:23:45.780 That's all compromising.

00:23:46.740 That's all the same crap.

00:23:49.380 But more has come out of the documents.

00:23:52.200 MKUltra, Jack Ruby, Charles Manson were CIA assets.

00:23:57.500 MKUltra, minority witnesses defend Fauci.

00:24:02.660 MKUltra, Anna Paulina, Luna, the CIA Nazi connections.

00:24:08.160 We'll play those clips.

00:24:09.600 Tom O'Neill, journalist, has questions about why MKUltra was ignored,

00:24:13.540 why it was ignored.

00:24:14.240 It was a project.

00:24:16.140 Then I'm going to give the number out and shift gears into all this other news.

00:24:21.580 But don't forget what I just covered five minutes ago.

00:24:25.300 Spy chiefs in revolt over Trump demand for master list of every secret agent.

00:24:32.140 Trump has a right to know that.

00:24:35.260 That was what the ODNI was set up for.

00:24:38.220 That was her task, but they would not give it to Tulsi Gabbard.

00:24:40.720 Well, then why did Trump run her out when she was the one that did?

00:24:45.300 what he told her to do that was constitutional.

00:24:48.220 It's very paradoxical from Trump.

00:24:49.960 Nicer way to say it's paradoxical.

00:24:51.320 Other ways, say it's very contradictory,

00:24:54.060 very schizophrenic, like the whole Iran thing.

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00:27:22.640 Let me finish up with a few MKU Ultra clips.

00:27:24.160 There's even more, but I want to give the number out and cover some of the news

00:27:26.720 because there's so many of them I need to kind of go over and decide what we're going to air

00:27:30.440 because there's so many.

00:27:31.540 I suggest you go watch the full hearings.

00:27:33.160 We just kind of set the table there earlier because it just validates so much of what we told you,

00:27:37.800 what we've gone over.

00:27:39.300 I intend to open the phones up, and I am right now, on any subject, any issue you wish you

00:27:44.300 discuss, any topic.

00:27:46.400 Agree with me, disagree with me.

00:27:47.500 We don't screen your calls other than have a clean phone line and make your point.

00:27:53.180 My pet peeve, and I love you all, is when you say, can I talk about this?

00:27:56.960 Can I talk about that?

00:27:58.900 And if you just want to punch my buttons, do that, because we're not censoring. 0.98

00:28:04.160 The only way you do is you cuss a whole bunch.

00:28:06.360 We have a delay that runs out for the radio stations.

00:28:08.600 They can get in trouble with that.

00:28:09.880 So we can only cut so much of your cussing out.

00:28:12.120 So if you do that, it's a good way to be hung up on.

00:28:13.800 But that's your way to hit, you know, the eject button on yourself.

00:28:19.560 People call in and go, I'm about to talk about Israel.

00:28:21.660 I bet you're going to cut me off.

00:28:22.960 That's another pet peeve.

00:28:25.720 It's popular to attack Israel.

00:28:27.380 It's the cool thing to do.

00:28:29.660 Okay.

00:28:30.140 But I'm right where I was before on Israel.

00:28:32.380 It's just another big power block with some corrupt interests we have to deal with.

00:28:35.880 And it front and center is trying to take the country over right now.

00:28:38.100 it's a big problem. And I was on Eric Bolling yesterday. I thought it was a good 20-minute

00:28:43.900 interview. So I'm going to air that at the end of the broadcast today. I think I explained it,

00:28:50.600 but I'll get to that when that comes up. I've got some other things to say, but I want to give the

00:28:54.700 number out. We'll put the number on screen for you right now. And if you're calling from outside

00:28:59.540 of the country. Just do your country access code and 512-266-0642. 512-266-0642. Again,

00:29:08.400 it's really simple. 512-266-0642. And it can be first-time callers, long-time callers. It's

00:29:16.240 total free for all. 512-266-0642. All right. Let's finish up with some of the meat and potatoes

00:29:24.540 that they started getting into in the MKUltra hearings.

00:29:32.220 Let's go to Anna Paulina Luna, clip A on the Nazis in MKUltra,

00:29:37.260 which is all over it, and the Rat Line and Paperclip, Operation Paperclip.

00:29:41.580 And then we'll get into Jack Ruby, Charles Manson were MKUltra assets.

00:29:48.240 Pretty amazing to have that in Congress.

00:29:50.020 That's big.

00:29:50.660 And then we have the minority party witness defending Fauci's never ends when he's just an extension of this whole mad scientist cult that MK Elder was just a small part of, as you heard the expert say.

00:30:03.620 So let's play those clips back to back.

00:30:07.120 Operation Paperclip brought over 1,600 German scientists into the United States government after World War II, including individuals who had conducted human experimentation and concentration camps.

00:30:16.760 The CIA military were aware of their backgrounds and recruited them anyways.

00:30:20.660 In your research, did you find direct documentation between paperclip scientists and the development

00:30:25.200 of M. Kiltra's experimental protocols, specifically the use of mescaline hypnosis and sensory

00:30:30.600 deprivation, which were techniques also documented at Dachau?

00:30:35.280 Absolutely.

00:30:36.540 Kurt Bloma, who was the chief of biological weapons development for the Nazi government,

00:30:42.820 came to work for the CIA.

00:30:44.840 So did Walter Schreiber, who was the surgeon general of the Nazi army.

00:30:48.480 i can just tell a brief story when i was researching my book i found what i think

00:30:54.800 might be the first secret cia prison or black site it's a nice chalet in germany and the guy

00:31:01.820 who now owns it took me into the basement he said these were the cells where the mk ultra

00:31:08.140 officers working side by side with nazis uh carried out those gruesome experiments which

00:31:15.940 were actually just continuations of the experiments that those nazis had been conducting just a few

00:31:23.440 years earlier right down the road just for timeline and clarification these experiments

00:31:27.420 were happening after the nuremberg trials correct so the ci would have known that these were crimes

00:31:31.520 against humanity i looked for an episode in which the nuremberg doctrines were posted on the wall

00:31:37.940 in some mk ultra or cia office and i was never able to find any indication that those nuremberg

00:31:43.780 principles ever were even consulted, much less obeyed. Thank you. Is it in your expert opinion

00:31:50.700 that Jack Ruby and Manson were assets of the intelligence agency specifically pertaining to

00:31:57.240 MKUltra? Were they MKUltra? Yeah, theoretically, Manson, I've never been able to prove absolutely.

00:32:03.460 Jack Ruby, I believe this is something else. The Warren Commission investigation

00:32:09.200 on the Warren Commission was Alan Dulles,

00:32:12.920 the former CIA director,

00:32:15.140 who authorized and ran MKUltra

00:32:17.920 until he was fired by President Kennedy.

00:32:20.500 The liaison to the committee for the CIA

00:32:22.960 who handled the information coming from the CIA

00:32:26.300 back and forth to the Warren Commission

00:32:27.980 was Richard Helms,

00:32:29.180 who was a direct supervisor of Jolly West.

00:32:31.860 They knew who West was.

00:32:33.880 They knew what West was capable of

00:32:36.700 and what they had paid him to do

00:32:38.000 and what he had reported to them that he could do,

00:32:40.380 including inducing mental disorders in people,

00:32:44.600 that was never disclosed to the commission as far as anyone knows.

00:32:49.120 So I believe that Wes was put in there to keep Jack Ruby from telling his story.

00:32:55.640 Wow.

00:32:56.520 In closing, I just want to thank you all for being here today.

00:32:59.660 And we will be following up, Dr. Kinzer, on your request to fully redact.

00:33:04.960 I'll be following up personally with the director of the CIA.

00:33:07.220 the mkltra files that we do have also as i noted earlier there will be more that will be

00:33:12.840 declassified specifically pertaining to newly found records that were located in what we were

00:33:19.160 discussing earlier i did also want to just state that for the record in regards to what statements

00:33:25.600 were made earlier regarding the german government we will also be following up on that if there are

00:33:29.720 indeed people that were victims of this that have been buried we would like to know who those people

00:33:34.100 are and who their families are as well, in order to correct the historical wrongdoings of this

00:33:39.020 government. Without further ado, I would like to state that all members have five legislative days

00:33:45.020 within to submit materials and additional written questions for the witnesses that will be then

00:33:49.280 forward to them. If there are no further business without objection, the task force stands adjourned.

00:33:54.540 And right now we're ceding our leadership in biomedical research to China. That's what's

00:34:00.080 happening right now. What about covering up harmful side effects of vaccines and the role

00:34:04.600 that the NIH has played in that? What do you have to say about that, ma'am? The U.S. history of human

00:34:12.560 subject protection has evolved greatly. Numerous research improprieties from the 50s to the 70s

00:34:20.560 in the United States, including the Tuskegee syphilis study, forced Congress to establish

00:34:26.020 formally federally mandated rules. I'm not asking you about that. You know what I'm asking you

00:34:29.860 about? I'm asking you about how NIH handled COVID. Obviously, this is supposed to be a hearing about

00:34:36.100 MKUltra, but when you gave your opening statement, and I don't even know why you were called to this

00:34:40.500 hearing because you didn't offer anything about MKUltra, but since you are here and you're going

00:34:45.320 to defend NIH I'm going to call you out on it that's the most powerful thing I've seen yet

00:34:57.660 you see now what I'm talking about when you say that the NIH doesn't have

00:35:01.680 integrity problems and trust issues did you hear the applause in this room that should tell you

00:35:07.560 right now that you're pretty tone-deaf to what the public thinks about how the NIH handled COVID

00:35:12.280 and the cover-up, not only the funding of it,

00:35:15.140 but the cover-up involved in the aftermath.

00:35:17.940 Can you acknowledge that?

00:35:20.320 I'm sorry, that's not my understanding.

00:35:29.180 That is what's important, as I said earlier.

00:35:32.980 They've gone from beta with MKUltra and things to it's widespread.

00:35:35.940 What do you think, saying it's the law, you've got to take the shots?

00:35:38.980 We've run out of patience with you.

00:35:40.780 as Biden said, you must take the shots.

00:35:43.000 You don't get coveted if you take it.

00:35:44.580 It protects everyone.

00:35:46.580 That's violating informed consent.

00:35:49.600 And when you're pushing an experimental shot

00:35:50.960 on somebody, it's even worse.

00:35:52.480 And then they stopped doing it to the military

00:35:54.220 and said it was illegal.

00:35:55.040 Now they're trying it again.

00:35:56.800 This is a major scandal, folks.

00:35:59.280 It violates the Nuremberg Code.

00:36:00.980 It's punishable by death under our laws.

00:36:04.340 But it goes on, and that's what Fauci

00:36:05.860 and all these mad scientists are.

00:36:07.220 Here's Eric Burleson getting into

00:36:09.100 holding these people accountable last clip.

00:36:10.780 I think one of the most shocking things we've determined is the Operation Midnight Climax that occurred in the early 1950s, 60s, where the CIA had safe houses.

00:36:23.620 Dr. Kinzer, obviously this is extremely disturbing behavior that was happening where you had American citizens who were being lured into these brothels and then dosed with a hallucinogenic and then filmed during their sex acts.

00:36:43.660 Was there anyone prosecuted for this, for these crimes?

00:36:46.560 No, there have been no prosecutions for any crime related to MKUltra as far as I know.

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The Alex Jones Show Live - June 30, 2026

See Highlights Of Anna Paulina Luna's MKUltra Mind Control Hearings Held On June 30th, 2026

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