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00:00:00.000 We've got a big Saturday live transmission lined up for you right now.

00:00:12.300 It's 12.03 central.

00:00:13.880 We're in a debate.

00:00:15.060 The Candace Owens, great conspiracy, Charlie Kirk assassination cover-up debate.

00:00:19.860 It happened yesterday.

00:00:20.600 It's my view.

00:00:21.020 She won.

00:00:21.900 It doesn't mean I endorse everything she thinks or says or gets into.

00:00:25.620 But we're going to be laying it all out today.

00:00:27.120 But that's in the second hour.

00:00:28.680 and I'm going to be debating Viva Frye, who thinks I'm wrong.

00:00:31.000 And I respect him.

00:00:31.680 We don't have to hate each other over that.

00:00:33.460 Live Saturday show, Israel launches its biggest attacks on Lebanon

00:00:36.120 one day after Trump demands they stop.

00:00:38.380 Trump publicly calls Netanyahu the enemy.

00:00:40.840 Plus, yours truly, Alex Jones, a debate, Viva Frye,

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00:00:57.200 you've got all the power use the power you're not the tail you're the head you're the whole wolf 0.99

00:01:02.180 you're the whole war you're the victory i release your power and now i'll roll over and die

00:01:27.200 look at what we've done together talk about an impossible mission we have woken the world

00:01:46.540 after the globalists they're in deep crap i've got massive proof today i can feel all the energy

00:01:51.920 of humanity rising. 0.98

00:01:54.080 Share the live feed now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now.

00:02:10.060 We're 168 days into this disastrous 0.82

00:02:12.860 Israeli BlackRock planned war. 0.86

00:02:15.280 It is 1205 Central Standard Time.

00:02:18.020 I'm your embattled and battle-hardened host,

00:02:20.520 Alexander Emmerich Jones coming to you from deep in the heart of Texas, Austin, transmitting in

00:02:25.020 defense of liberty and resistance to tyranny worldwide. All right, ladies and gentlemen,

00:02:37.340 coming up in an hour, Viva Frye. And we're friends and I like him. He's a lawyer and I

00:02:41.740 respect him. And he disagreed with me last night when I did a post when I'd finally gotten done

00:02:46.980 of my duties here. At about 5 o'clock, I then watched most of the debate. I skipped through

00:02:52.200 some of it, fast-forwarded through some of it, where they were just debating just mindless

00:02:57.100 minutiae. And I have to say, Candace Owens won the debate. That doesn't mean that everything 0.98

00:03:05.040 she's looked into and everything she's investigated and some of the stuff she said I agree with,

00:03:09.060 I don't. And she's definitely basically said TBSA had a major hand in it, and Erica did,

00:03:14.620 And she backed off of that because she knows Los Angeles City's coming.

00:03:17.340 And I just know how things work.

00:03:18.660 I know how the complexities of government operations, and that's a whole other 10 hours of information I've already covered.

00:03:23.760 But they didn't have 12 colonels at Fort Huachuca planning his murder the day before and, you know, all the rest of that stuff.

00:03:32.360 And I was critical of that.

00:03:34.120 But we brought the goods and broke that Cash Patel ordered a cover-up of foreign connections and involvement.

00:03:40.900 I got even more information from Joe Kent when I met with him last weekend and interviewed him up in Dallas.

00:03:46.080 That was all killed by the president.

00:03:48.500 And so when you got that going on, the whole thing now is beyond suspect.

00:03:53.400 It doesn't mean every conspiracy theory about it is true, but Americans have been lied to so much.

00:03:58.080 We've had a loss of confidence in the system.

00:04:00.420 And so people trying to act like we got three heads or, you know, or crazy because of this are just flat wrong.

00:04:05.920 The official story is full of holes like Swiss cheese.

00:04:08.960 But we'll be looking at that coming up. I'll be getting to some of the debate highlights before Viva joins us. But we obviously have the Iran war that Israel brags they drug us into coming to a big head right now with hands down the most massive developments of the last 168 days. 0.97

00:04:29.660 This is just unprecedented. And I started, you know, saying this. 0.56

00:04:35.600 On Monday, I said, this is a real break that Trump's trying to make from Netanyahu.

00:04:41.740 Because he understands that this war was basically a setup and he understands it's killing him in the polls. 0.51

00:04:47.580 And he's decided to go back just to sanctions and the stuff that was working in his first administration and get out of this. 0.65

00:04:53.160 And Israel is continuing to bomb Lebanon. Israel's turned the settlers loose in the West Bank and everywhere else.

00:04:58.020 just to engage in what the State Department called extreme terrorism.

00:05:04.300 And then in response to that three days ago, the settlers went completely ape 0.72

00:05:09.580 and have engaged in a whole bunch of new war crimes with the support of the IDF they're overseeing. 0.53

00:05:15.900 Attacking folks, hooking back up the electricity to the last Christian town they're destroying. 0.89

00:05:21.460 Diverting all water out of Gaza and creating a giant open-air lake swimming pool for the Israelis. 0.98

00:05:26.460 and, well, they laugh at them over the wall. 0.88

00:05:28.820 We have footage of that. 0.99

00:05:31.040 Catapults, firebombing, and just burning Lebanon indiscriminately, 1.00

00:05:35.720 Christian areas, you name it. 0.65

00:05:38.300 Trump says, stop bombing them two days ago.

00:05:42.940 Quote, I order you to, and Israel launches its biggest attack yet ever on Lebanon,

00:05:50.220 not just of the last few years.

00:05:52.140 mainstream news AP biggest attacks yet devastating attacks they've blown up hundreds of churches

00:05:58.440 thousands and thousands of homes and and they hit hundreds and hundreds of targets

00:06:02.380 um 400 plus targets yesterday and today and the last time Trump a few months ago posted on true

00:06:10.140 social enough's enough stop bombing Lebanon stop indiscriminately blowing up whole neighborhoods

00:06:15.300 and Netanyahu's answer was I'll do whatever I want in a speech he gave then he just did it again

00:06:21.180 and they just blew the living snot out of Lebanon and then turned the settlers loose just to torch

00:06:27.840 every church they can get their hands on in what is Israel, formerly Palestine, formerly Israel, 0.88

00:06:34.560 Judea, whatever you want to call it. Very contested land there. And again, just because

00:06:39.160 we're criticizing Israel doing horrible, bad stuff that's destroyed its name worldwide doesn't mean

00:06:44.360 that we're for the Islamists or the mullahs. You can be upset and worried about both groups.

00:06:50.660 There's this mindless psychology where you're supposed to pick a side.

00:06:53.500 No, I'm not with the Democrat Socialist of America and the Red-Green Alliance

00:06:57.200 and the Islamist in Mondami and AOC and Ilhan Omar.

00:07:02.140 And I'm not with Netanyahu, primary members of our Congress

00:07:07.400 and bragging of foreign powers in control and trying to take over our military

00:07:10.540 for the 2027 National Defense Authorization Act that's passed the House now in the Senate.

00:07:16.320 You know, you can have a lot of out-of-control predator groups we're dealing with,

00:07:20.480 It's like people saying, oh, you're talking about China controlling a lot of the Democrats

00:07:24.620 and infiltrating us and having spies everywhere, which is true. 1.00

00:07:27.260 You're covering up for Israel. 0.87

00:07:28.640 And now you have all these top rabbis that advise Netanyahu saying, no, we're giving

00:07:34.020 all the secrets we get to China. 0.82

00:07:35.600 They're the enemy. 0.99

00:07:36.680 The West is the new Rome. 0.99

00:07:37.800 We're going to destroy America, destroy Europe. 0.91

00:07:39.900 And China is our ally, which is known. 0.95

00:07:42.200 And India is Israel's ally.

00:07:43.500 And they say our number one enemy is the West because Titus, under the orders of Emperor

00:07:49.500 Pompeo um sacked Rome Rome sacked Jerusalem in 70 AD and I've got hundreds of top rabbis say

00:08:01.560 including Netanyahu's rabbi that I played yesterday so for people criticizing me saying

00:08:05.900 well you're just cherry-picking rabbis I talked to Harrison because he's the guy that put out

00:08:10.040 eight front war documentary that went super viral tens of millions views I mean we're talking like

00:08:13.100 100 million views this one version is like 24 million views and I've seen a bunch of versions

00:08:17.040 over 10 million views. I said, listen, you're going to make 8 Front War 2.0. I don't sit there

00:08:21.700 and tell my host what to do except every once in a while. I'm like, that's your project. I asked him

00:08:26.060 to do it. He was already aware of it. And now everybody's becoming aware of it. But that was

00:08:30.720 almost a year ago. I said, I want 8 Front War 2.0. So he called me this morning. He said, boss,

00:08:35.080 I've been working on it for months. He goes, I just, there's so much. And I said, well, you got

00:08:40.240 at some point cut it off. And he's like, well, there's like 500 rabbis I've got. And I said, 0.78

00:08:44.040 they make it two hours long. Just have it rabbi after rabbi. We're going to kill you. We're going 0.97

00:08:47.740 to destroy you. We hate America. We're going to blow you up. And China's going to nuke you and 1.00

00:08:51.440 destroy you, and you deserve to go to hell. I think the Christian Zionists need to see this. 1.00

00:08:57.420 Now, again, I want to be clear. I've done deep study of this, and there's no way to quantify 0.91

00:09:01.960 it exactly, but I'd say about a third of the rabbis have this idea that we have to be destroyed

00:09:08.500 because we're the new Rome, and that's what their prophets said that came after the Old Testament.

00:09:15.320 And it's just an excuse to engage in evil activity. The majority of the rabbis do not

00:09:19.880 believe this and say this. It doesn't matter. This school of rabbis that the media calls

00:09:24.160 right-wing, I don't even see how that is applicable, but right-wing rabbis are the

00:09:28.940 ones in charge of Israel right now, and they're the ones running the agenda. So it doesn't matter 0.54

00:09:34.380 of two-thirds of the rabbis don't agree with that and love America and love the West and say nice

00:09:39.280 things and, you know, the rest of it. The group in charge, it's like, you know, in Germany, a lot of

00:09:45.900 Germans didn't like Hitler, but he was in charge. And if you actually compare how Israel behaves to

00:09:51.280 its neighbors and other people and its statements about genocide and Amalek and we're going to get

00:09:55.060 rid of all of you, and they openly say, you know, that we're ordered to destroy Rome and the West 0.96

00:10:04.820 is Rome. This is what they're saying, and you can't get away from this. You can't get away with

00:10:12.160 every few days the last few villages of Christians, whether it's in the West Bank, whether it's in

00:10:17.420 Bethlehem, whether it's in Gaza, are being targeted directly. And so that's the first big tranche of

00:10:24.180 news that i'm going to hit because it's a big deal now let's put the live show headline up again it's

00:10:30.760 pretty powerful trump has come out and said that netanyahu is the enemy now what he said specifically

00:10:38.360 is he's his own worst enemy but because he's drug us into all these policies that are destroying

00:10:45.160 america and the dollar and getting all these people killed and destroying our name around 0.59

00:10:49.480 the world and causing mass inflation, the true statement is, if Netanyahu is an enemy of his

00:10:56.620 himself, meaning Israel, and U.S. interests as well, he is the enemy.

00:11:04.540 Anybody that's ever had a grandparent or something get dementia, totally nice, wonderful,

00:11:08.620 good person, and suddenly you're dealing with a demented nutcase, they are their own worst enemy,

00:11:12.980 and they're also an enemy of your tranquility and safety. And so that's what this is. What

00:11:19.460 What did the Defense Intelligence Agency a couple months ago say one day after the NDAA 2027 passed out a committee and Netanyahu sent a letter to the committee saying, thanks for putting what I wrote, Section 224, now Section 219, in the bill?

00:11:34.140 I wrote the bill to turn over our military to Israel.

00:11:38.840 And I said, Israel is now the number one national security threat to the United States. 0.95

00:11:43.140 China was. 0.98

00:11:44.240 It's a close second still. 0.98

00:11:45.840 But it's now Israel. 0.96

00:11:47.100 And I said, if the military and the Pentagon was doing its job, they would call out Israel's number one threat to our national security and sovereignty. 0.95

00:11:55.600 The next day, and I played these clips, they came out with the defense intelligence report. 0.86

00:12:00.240 But they weren't doing that because I said that.

00:12:03.320 We were just simpatico.

00:12:04.720 Turned out that report had been delivered to Trump seven days before and that no change was made.

00:12:12.520 So the Defense Intelligence Agency, our military, leaked it to the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times.

00:12:23.020 So that's where we are. 0.66

00:12:24.900 You know, whenever we criticize Israel dragging us into these wars and being out of control and trying to control our foreign and domestic policy and having great success at it, they'll cherry pick a Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones and just say, oh, they're Hitler, they hate Jews, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:38.500 Now, when the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Cain, came out five days before the war and said, don't do this, that just got ignored. 0.58

00:12:50.120 When the Pentagon assessment said, don't do it, and since then they've issued three more assessments saying the Moodles aren't going to fall,

00:12:54.840 they're going to keep the straight close, it's a disaster, do an off-ramp, use sanctions, declare victory, which they're now trying to do.

00:13:00.760 Trump's finally listening.

00:13:03.200 The media ignores that. 0.60

00:13:05.580 They make it about, oh, Alex Jones, you know, the guy, the crazy man, he's just saying this.

00:13:11.880 No, it's the consensus of the Pentagon.

00:13:16.980 When I interviewed Joe Kent last weekend, he made that point without me even bringing it up.

00:13:19.380 He said, you know, he also said in a debate that hasn't aired yet, he said, you know, everybody keeps acting like this is my opinion.

00:13:27.480 And the other side demonizes me and attacks me, but, you know, you say I'm really smart.

00:13:30.860 He goes, I'm not really that smart, which, of course, anybody that is smart says that.

00:13:37.060 Socrates, I know that I know nothing.

00:13:41.800 He said, this is the known assessment that's been massively war-gamed and now proven right.

00:13:47.720 It's not just like the Pentagon's super accurate at making predictions.

00:13:50.560 You've now seen the prediction come true.

00:13:52.260 You don't need to sit there and wonder if the Pentagon assessment was right.

00:13:55.100 Like I said 168 days ago on that Saturday show, a few hours into the war,

00:13:59.840 I said, here's what's going to happen.

00:14:02.020 And I said, I don't just believe a Pentagon assessment.

00:14:03.820 I'm on the ball.

00:14:04.940 I've studied this. 0.95

00:14:05.860 This is damn accurate.

00:14:07.040 And we got the declassified version. 0.84

00:14:09.640 Kent said, I can't tell you about the classified version.

00:14:13.600 But does Kent get invited back to the White House and thank Trump begging him to come back?

00:14:17.460 No.

00:14:17.880 Kent resigned two weeks in to say, this will be a disaster.

00:14:20.480 I'm doing this to bring attention.

00:14:21.620 Thanks for letting me serve.

00:14:22.640 I still appreciate you.

00:14:23.920 But I can't sit here and watch you commit the country and yourself to total disaster.

00:14:27.900 And for that, a bunch of never-Trumpers call him a traitor.

00:14:33.920 I just want to point out to everybody that said we were wrong and we're kooks

00:14:36.660 and we're Qatari agents and all the rest of this.

00:14:39.100 You guys are the ones that are discredited.

00:14:42.520 Qatar funded Hamas.

00:14:45.500 Qatar spends $4 billion a year mainly on universities and brainwashing here in the U.S.

00:14:50.000 But Qatar also gave Trump a $300 million airplane that they upgraded

00:14:55.140 with another $700 million to be the new Air Force One.

00:14:57.220 I'm not saying Trump's even bad doing that. 0.98

00:14:59.300 My point is I ain't even talking to any Qatar. 0.99

00:15:02.000 He's never been there. 0.70

00:15:03.120 Know all about it, read about it, study it.

00:15:05.800 But to just say I'm a Qatari agent when I had nothing to do with Qatar,

00:15:09.500 you got Netanyahu with him secretly for years giving hundreds of millions of dollars,

00:15:13.960 hell, billions overall, to them.

00:15:16.540 You look at me and say I'm connected with no proof,

00:15:19.080 and then you got Israel funding al-Qaeda to take over Syria,

00:15:23.000 and then Netanyahu is constantly running his mouth about if you don't fight for us, 0.99

00:15:26.360 year for Muslim extremists when Israel's funding every damn Muslim extremist group under the sun 0.99

00:15:32.340 except Hezbollah. And that's the Iranian group. So that's just the reality of Lindsey Graham 1.00

00:15:41.960 would call everybody that was against these wars Muslim sympathizers. And then he, it turned out,

00:15:46.660 was the biggest bag man at USAID and State Department, getting billions of dollars to

00:15:52.600 Islamic extremists for decades? I mean, it's just like, it's crazy. They're on record the

00:16:01.800 paymasters of ISIS and Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama turned the Muslim Brotherhood 0.88

00:16:07.340 loose, gave them billions to overthrow our ally, Egypt, and blew up hundreds of churches and killed 0.90

00:16:12.140 tens of thousands of Coptic Christians and all the rest of it. And then we got to sit here when 0.85

00:16:16.900 we're exposing this and told we're muslim operatives really i'm the one of the most 0.98

00:16:21.980 famous islamophobes there is because you know i also don't like black widows you have a phobia 0.96

00:16:27.880 for reasons called a good instinct i'm standing at the edge of a cliff i get butterflies and you

00:16:32.340 know pull back i don't have any irrational fears i'm not scared of open wide places i'm not i'm

00:16:38.240 not you know people that have irrational fears i mean i have real instincts

00:16:42.220 like i like sitting in a campfire looking at the pretty flames it's god's television but

00:16:48.280 that he gave us but i i don't want to stick my hand in it i'm scared of white hot coals 0.69

00:16:52.760 so just let it sink in the never trumpers that are on the payroll of israel that is paymastering 0.79

00:16:59.680 all these islamic groups so they can destabilize things so israel has an excuse to then have the 0.83

00:17:04.100 terrorists they fund pull back so they can blow up the country and take it parts of lebanon parts 0.96

00:17:08.840 Syria, you name it. Gaza, West Bank, you name it. It's a very sophisticated game.

00:17:15.960 But Israel's declassified they founded Hamas. So there wouldn't be, imagine they had Mahatma

00:17:20.560 Gandhi's in Gaza. It'd be all beautiful hotels and swimming pools and like a Cancun resort right

00:17:27.820 now. And Israel said, we're not doing that. We're funding radical scum to control you to be in

00:17:31.640 charge. And then we're going to knock them down later. And 40 something years later, they just 1.00

00:17:36.760 knocked them down. Doesn't mean they run Hamas, they wind it up. That is key to understand how 0.95

00:17:43.980 this works. So thank you for joining us on this live Saturday transmission. It is 1221 Central.

00:17:50.580 Next hour, we're going to do part two of the Candace Owens Charlie Kirk conspiracy debate.

00:17:58.740 That's really what it was. And I think she won the debate. I think most people agree with that,

00:18:04.140 that I've seen, but it doesn't mean I endorse everything she's saying. I want to be clear about

00:18:06.460 that i'm saying if you watch the debate just technically and what happened she had some 0.70

00:18:10.320 incredible gotcha moments uh and it was it didn't go well for the other side and the fellow she was

00:18:18.060 debating i have been i've publicly invited him uh to come on the show to debate me i debated him

00:18:22.820 he was on the neocon panel uh last saturday i was on the side with joe kent that was uh brandon

00:18:27.880 struck put that out about in a week or so i'm told megaviral probably no doubt uh but i want to get

00:18:33.420 it going now i want to get it on he can come right here we go in our interview studio we can do five

00:18:39.220 hours commercial free if he wants lincoln douglas debate no rules uh because i'm not going to debate

00:18:45.860 the debate he says i'm having about this i don't know exactly what happened i just know the official

00:18:50.780 story isn't true so everybody has a right to not believe whatever we're being told and i'll get to

00:18:54.560 that coming up but they try to frame the debate as something different that i think everything

00:18:58.620 candace owens does about egyptian planes and fort wechuca nope that's not what i think i know

00:19:05.640 why this is officially bullshit but does it mean that i know exactly what happened i just know

00:19:11.800 what we're being told ain't true so let's now plow into the technicals of what's happening 0.90

00:19:23.020 in israel right now and that is drug us into this war midnight hammer was designed to get us into

00:19:27.960 full war. Charlie Kirk called and thanked me for exposing that just to show what a great guy he 0.95

00:19:34.900 was. But the reason I mentioned that is they say he wasn't critical of Israel. He was publicly

00:19:38.340 critical of Israel. And he called and thanked me for trying to stop the war and saying, you're

00:19:41.800 damn right, Midnight Hammers, trying to get us into full war. And then sure enough, now you see 0.77

00:19:46.260 where it is. And Netanyahu now admits that was the plan. But back at the time, they're like, no,

00:19:49.320 it's limited strike. Shut up, Jones. Stop saying it's about to go to full war. This is not because 0.99

00:19:53.340 they wanted to get to that and didn't want us to speak out against it and stop it.

00:19:57.820 They want us to sleepwalk into this.

00:20:01.320 So let's look at these headlines and get to the videos.

00:20:03.640 Look at these headlines.

00:20:05.420 Iran defined on straight, as Trump tells Americans who accept high gas prices.

00:20:09.200 So he's trying to get them to do a deal. 0.96

00:20:12.240 They control the straight.

00:20:14.080 They close it and say no deal.

00:20:15.820 So he closes it.

00:20:17.000 It's already closed and says, I'm in control.

00:20:19.920 It's now the straight of America.

00:20:21.280 and it's all just talk and and that's just the reality oh we got a deal you know 50 something 0.95

00:20:28.520 times oh now it's not a deal now i'm gonna obliterate them now i'm not now the straight's

00:20:32.500 open now it's not oh it's really secretly open the ships are getting through fox news said but

00:20:37.080 oil prices and gas prices are exploding and the strategic reserve has basically been completely

00:20:42.960 drained so see that's not true that's gaslighting straight of america trump says he'll

00:20:51.240 declare Hormuz straight U.S. territory after Iran defeated. And he made these new, incredibly

00:20:58.680 tone-deaf, disconnected, callous statements. Oh, the sailors have been out there for 200 plus days

00:21:07.080 and it's rotting food and they're committing suicide. And he goes, has this war gone on too

00:21:11.520 long? He goes, no, the war hasn't gone long enough. I thought you wanted to get it over with. I thought

00:21:16.700 it wasn't a war thought you had already won a bunch of times so which Trump am I supposed to

00:21:21.960 believe and then he also came out we'll show you the clip and said hey the gas prices is not hurting

00:21:30.560 you a little bit of money no diesel up at almost six and farmers can't buy it and we're gonna have

00:21:37.340 food shortages and huge food price increases already happening and a third of the fertilizer

00:21:41.220 cut off the straight and a third of the gas and oil and Africa's had a half of its fertilizer cut

00:21:46.120 off because it's half of it from the straight. And then they're now going to have huge migrant 1.00

00:21:49.480 surges and all the rest of the is now happening. And Trump's just saying, everything's fine.

00:21:55.280 Everything's great. Everything's wonderful. But in reality, he is trying to get the off-ramp.

00:22:02.460 But Iran's not letting you get out of it now. They want reparations. They want to officially 0.66

00:22:05.980 be recognized to control the straight and put a toll on it. And Trump's not going to do that

00:22:09.640 because Iran is asking, I think, for too much of being belligerent because they think they

00:22:13.860 hold the cards, so they're going to press this in the danger that Trump may swing back to a

00:22:19.740 ground invasion and nuking him, which has been on the table. So Iran's playing with fire, too.

00:22:25.980 This is a real gamble for everybody. That's why we shouldn't have done it. 1.00

00:22:30.740 The Pentagon called it a gamble with very low probability of the outcome you want,

00:22:35.980 Mr. President. Well, roll the dice. You might want to go spend your discretionary money at

00:22:40.360 Las Vegas if you're not a generic gambler, but you certainly don't roll the dice for the whole

00:22:43.720 world on it trump shrugs off concerns about conditions on uss abraham lincoln says deployment

00:22:50.500 has not been nearly long enough so everything's sarcastic everything's a big joke

00:22:55.720 the buck stops nowhere else a look at trump's tendency to avoid blame when things go awry

00:23:02.780 oh he definitely does that then it continues hegseth ship of horrors hope i don't wake up

00:23:09.540 tomorrow new york times supply problems after iran base hit the main food supply base in bairn

00:23:16.760 was almost completely destroyed

00:23:18.940 we've evacuated all these dozens of bases but the warhawks say hey we don't need logistics

00:23:27.540 they're like well we've got maximum 5 000 marines and 10 000 airborne that's not enough to take

00:23:33.420 the straight hormones and lindsey ram just said i believe in our marines okay well the big ships

00:23:38.940 can't come in to even land them because of all their artillery and missiles that they haven't

00:23:42.400 even used, the up-close stuff. And they go, I believe in our Marines. You guessed our Marines

00:23:48.500 there, boy? One of our Marines could take Iwo Jima. Took 110,000 in World War II. Shut up,

00:23:54.360 Qatari agent. How many times did I tell you they're going to set up Iran with a surface-to-air 1.00

00:24:00.400 missile assassination plot and Israel's going to do it and kill Trump? Now we learn years after I 0.64

00:24:04.340 said this would first become a big issue that it was a surface-to-air missile threat when he

00:24:08.840 got on the food truck and went on another Air Force plane, but they've now turned into a big

00:24:13.480 fiasco. It was Israel told him that. And I said, specifically, it'll be Israel that shoots him down

00:24:17.720 years ago and says Iran did it. And then when Israel tells him that, he'll then say, if I ever

00:24:23.880 get killed, it's Iran's fault. So that sets Israel up to kill Trump, get rid of him so they can 0.98

00:24:28.860 control things more here domestically, because sometimes he challenges them. And 0.82

00:24:32.060 then they can use that to get the war expanded.

00:24:38.840 And then, wow, what a weird thing to say back the day after he got shot in Butler

00:24:43.020 when I started hammering that.

00:24:44.660 And then they, over the years, created the exact narrative I said.

00:24:48.100 And now, oh, what broke today, the Pentagon says, and the CIA says,

00:24:53.460 it's a false assessment, it wasn't true, but Israel told Trump

00:24:56.420 they're there with service-to-air missiles to shoot down your plane.

00:24:59.400 trump plane switch specific threat was from shoulder fired surface-to-air missile

00:25:10.340 that's at alexjoneslive.com with links to the cia the pentagon all the reports

00:25:16.560 about it being a surface-to-air missile according to the new york times

00:25:19.540 and it goes on into that so that's what israel told him what a weird thing people said back

00:25:27.340 after butler and even before that what oh even before oh god a few months before butler i said

00:25:33.240 they're going to save iran killed him with a service-to-air missile uh-huh i did that then

00:25:36.800 too and we have an obnoxious promo piece we we looked today couldn't find

00:25:41.040 the raw footage of me saying which is okay but we did find a little joke promo

00:25:46.440 that some of the crew made because they you notice they make jokes about me getting mad

00:25:49.880 behind the scenes they're great but and they've got good humor and but when i do get a little

00:25:54.840 OCD they make it's like the Darth Vader pieces about where's clip 50 I all I want is clip 50

00:26:00.140 and then I start destroying everything so so so so yeah I'm not mad at the crew let's find that

00:26:07.240 and play that next but but but here's one that Dan one of our great researchers editors put

00:26:11.340 together uh and and and this has clips before Butler so in his promo he already had a promo

00:26:17.060 about surface air missiles and my obsession with it now they're gonna try to kill Trump

00:26:20.240 with surface air missiles so he needs missile defense when he was on Trump force one before

00:26:24.080 he had that he did a few months later actually get air force support with anti-missile defense

00:26:27.580 planes that followed him what a weird thing i was bringing up to when nobody else was that's

00:26:31.720 tomorrow's day and then after butler i got even more specific and said that israel be behind it

00:26:36.200 and we'll shoot him down and uh so i have the have the archivist find that i said it like a day after

00:26:42.280 and two days after and i've said it hundreds of times since then so most of you watching are like

00:26:46.000 yeah we've heard you a hundred times but see how my brain works see how my brain works i'm just

00:26:49.300 trying to get you into the level mindset i don't mean like i'm super cool or anything

00:26:54.080 I understand how all this stuff operates.

00:26:56.800 And we're at more danger than ever of Israel killing him now.

00:26:59.680 They may set off a nuke, do a big cyber attack and blame Iran, maybe both or all, 0.99

00:27:03.880 or just kill Trump, and then the default is blow up Iran, 0.97

00:27:07.020 and they get rid of Trump, who does a lot of what they say, 0.99

00:27:10.040 but still gets in fights with them.

00:27:11.520 And they don't like that.

00:27:12.920 So they could use him to get everything they want

00:27:15.360 and get all this public opinion against him shifted over. 0.63

00:27:18.100 So I'm warning of an Israeli assassination, a Netanyahu assassination of Trump.

00:27:23.340 and I know there's smart people around Trump

00:27:26.240 that actually agree with my analysis.

00:27:28.540 Like, for people that don't know,

00:27:30.060 viewers and listeners,

00:27:30.600 I'm kind of known for Demarsons today.

00:27:31.860 I'm kind of known by the Defense Department

00:27:34.040 and the CIA as being a super good analyst,

00:27:37.880 and also they want to control me,

00:27:39.560 so that's why I got job offers from them repeatedly,

00:27:41.580 but I didn't take it.

00:27:43.740 But I've been asked to come in

00:27:44.980 and be one of their big brain people.

00:27:46.900 Well, you can watch the show, guys,

00:27:48.180 get the big brain things right here,

00:27:49.420 but this stuff to me is not even hard to figure out.

00:27:53.340 Yeah, there's another one somebody found, Alex Jones Classics.

00:27:57.900 It's a fan site.

00:27:58.800 Today in Alex Jones' history on this day, 2022, at Real Alex Jones discussed assassination threats against Trump

00:28:03.560 and disputed reports blaming Iranians around Mar-a-Lago.

00:28:07.380 Oh, yeah, they even did that, too.

00:28:08.800 That's not even the old stuff.

00:28:11.060 Three months before they tried to kill Trump and Butler, I said they're going to do it,

00:28:16.580 and they're going to claim it's an Iranian. 0.99

00:28:18.260 I said they're going to try to shoot him at a public event and say Iranians did it. 0.80

00:28:20.760 They're going to try to shoot down his claimant service to air missiles and say Iranians did it. 0.94

00:28:23.340 They're also going to try to smuggle it in through a reporter's bag

00:28:28.300 and say Iranians did it.

00:28:32.640 And then right after Butler, I went through it all. 1.00

00:28:34.300 I mean, you've all heard it.

00:28:35.100 I'm going to stop and move on here because I had a lot of the settler violence

00:28:37.340 and insane stuff we haven't gotten to yet and a bunch of clips of Trump saying

00:28:41.440 and doing what I said he did.

00:28:42.440 I want to show you, not just say he did it.

00:28:44.100 You know, it's all over the news.

00:28:45.000 They were saying, don't worry about gas prices.

00:28:46.260 And, yeah, the ship hadn't been out there long enough,

00:28:48.200 and the war doesn't go long enough, and contradicting himself.

00:28:50.880 I mean, you know he said it, but we're going to play it.

00:28:52.300 We're going to play it because we said it.

00:28:53.340 But let's play just the service-to-air missile rant.

00:28:57.260 This is months before Butler, if memory serves.

00:29:00.860 I know I said it before Butler, and then after.

00:29:02.860 And what a weird, you're like, what is he doing?

00:29:04.860 Iranians, missiles, blame them? 0.62

00:29:06.820 Long before these wars? 1.00

00:29:08.320 Because I can see how the enemy operates.

00:29:10.320 I can see the pre-programming.

00:29:12.040 There's all these data points where I, when I try to go, how do I know this?

00:29:15.080 I can sit back for like an hour and go, this, this, that, that, oh, yeah.

00:29:17.700 And I have to like reassess.

00:29:19.340 Because the subconscious mind is hundreds of times more powerful than the cerebral cortex is a narrow focus on your brain.

00:29:25.760 I'm able to just go and then like and then get the answer.

00:29:29.480 Then I have to pull back if I want to analyze how I know that and that can always track it back to how I know it.

00:29:34.080 But you have that power, too, when you train yourself to have enough data and learn what real data is real and historical analysis and background groups on certain organizations and what their modus operandi are and all these thousands of integration points and thousands of other integration points.

00:29:46.940 and then you can come up with this. Just once you understand how we know this, okay?

00:29:52.160 When I say me, it's me and all my ancestors because I can access their memories. All right,

00:29:57.060 so can you, but if you really start doing it, it's a lot more fun. Okay, so let's go ahead now

00:30:04.680 and go to the service-to-air missile clip, and then you can, this is a joke video the crew made

00:30:08.640 out of me getting mad that they played the wrong thing. That was a separate thing about the bomb

00:30:12.200 on the plane and then um play another one of the crew's jokes we deserve a little humor here

00:30:17.880 about darth vader not mad at the crew here it is so i'm not trying to get into a bunch of

00:30:22.680 metaphysical stuff here but all right let's stop right here it's no big deal i talked fast this

00:30:28.620 morning i said three out two hours ago i said hey get me the clip of where i say iran's going to use

00:30:33.640 service-to-air missiles but it's not going to be iran they're going to blame iran for service-to-air

00:30:36.820 missiles the main threat is a service-to-air missile yes i also said they put a bomb on the

00:30:40.400 plane but a bomb on the plane is not a surface to air missile so i want the archive is defined i

00:30:48.460 said it like 500 times it won't be hard surface to air missile and when we put this as an archive

00:30:53.660 to x later today the full show i want that added in there will cut me explaining it out but i'm

00:30:58.240 gonna say it because it got missed service to air missile service to air missile service to air

00:31:02.660 missile service to air missile service to air missile service to air missile service to air

00:31:06.700 Service to Air Missile

00:31:09.420 I want the clip I'll be talking about

00:31:10.980 Service to Air Missile

00:31:12.080 and Trump needs Anti Missile defense systems

00:31:14.000 Bing Bing 0.64

00:31:14.700 Bomb 0.85

00:31:15.060 Bomb

00:31:15.780 B

00:31:24.940 Service to Air Missile

00:31:26.980 I want the clip I'm talking about

00:31:27.900 Service to Air Missile

00:31:29.440 and Trump needs Anti-Missile defense systems

00:31:32.060 Service to Air Missile

00:31:32.980 I want the clip I've been talking about service to air missile and Trump needs anything that's 0.98

00:31:48.000 Shut up! Shut the f*** up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! 1.00

00:31:59.800 Shut up! 1.00

00:32:10.060 Finishing up now with Israel, because I don't want to just tell you this stuff, I want to show it. 0.98

00:32:15.600 here is trump saying oh i'm not you know worried about the ship being out there for 200 plus days 0.70

00:32:21.800 and rotten food you know this war hasn't gone on quite long enough i thought you wanted to end it

00:32:26.300 but now they admit it's a siege mode smotris the israeli finance minister says that's what this is

00:32:31.140 about regime change well that hurts everybody else too with the strait being closed and trump

00:32:35.540 told people last night he said we'll play that clip he's like yeah you should have a little pain

00:32:41.260 a little increase in gas uh how about gas is up 40 something percent how about diesel 60 70 percent

00:32:48.400 and that feeds in every other every other layer of the economy we're on the verge of collapse we

00:32:53.840 knew that we needed your recovery to work so this is like his some of his high level staff members 0.62

00:32:58.740 saying you know don't bitch about 20 burritos uh and just this let them eat cake thing where he

00:33:04.460 said i don't even worry about the average american's financial problems i worry about the war even if 0.79

00:33:09.140 believes that which is marie antoinette level let them eat cake why is he saying it uh now he's also

00:33:16.680 broken with israel big time calling netanyahu basically the enemy we'll get to that next and

00:33:20.600 then get into the charlie kirk uh aftermath debate here in just a moment but but these are

00:33:25.660 more callous remarks that are i think really uh not good here they are okay what else do i have

00:33:33.080 that ship is moving no they're not that ship is moving right now or very shortly and it's being

00:33:45.080 replaced with another very similar ship no no no not nearly long enough thank you everybody

00:33:53.240 so I just say this so for you to pay a tiny little bit more for your gasoline just remember

00:34:04.920 you're doing it so that a very evil country cannot have a country really it's the number one 0.81

00:34:09.880 state sponsor of terror in the world we don't want to have them have a nuclear weapon so remember

00:34:15.540 that when you have to pay a little bit more you're at four dollars it's okay I mean it's I'm not I'm

00:34:21.720 I'll never apologize.

00:34:23.120 I did the right thing.

00:34:24.440 But you could, you know, if you didn't have, you'd be.

00:34:29.840 And now we got to get the strait open.

00:34:31.540 That's the main point of the war that was open before the war. 0.54

00:34:34.200 And Iran's refusing to open it.

00:34:35.680 So Trump just says he's closed it.

00:34:37.040 And it's now the strait of America.

00:34:39.800 Now, look, Navy carriers' problems are tied to attacks on U.S.

00:34:43.340 base early in the war that was obliterated in Bahrain.

00:34:46.960 Most of the bases got heavily damaged and evacuated.

00:34:50.260 So this is about logistics. 0.80

00:34:51.280 But, oh, Lindsey Graham wanted a ground invasion. 0.97

00:34:53.420 The Pentagon said there's not the logistics to do any of this.

00:34:57.520 Okay?

00:34:59.300 So continuing, Trump's callous response to U.S. sailors throw themselves overboard in our grand war.

00:35:05.140 Our grim photos of food emerged.

00:35:07.480 Nightmare slop.

00:35:08.820 But it's a lot worse than that. 0.94

00:35:13.400 Now, shifting gears to what's really big news here, and that is what Israel's up to. 0.87

00:35:19.100 Look at this.

00:35:20.300 Trump said to call Netanyahu his own worst enemy as PM vies for election endorsement.

00:35:26.000 Trump refused to endorse him.

00:35:27.940 So that war is heating up.

00:35:30.380 And less than 48 hours after Trump said stop hitting Lebanon and pull out,

00:35:34.840 now Israel says they want part of Lebanon and Syria,

00:35:37.780 Israel launches its biggest attacks yet on Lebanon,

00:35:42.080 just carbon bombing, indiscriminately Christian, Muslim, Shiite, Sunni, you name it.

00:35:47.360 and then Israel even admits they're deliberately starting wildfires in southern Lebanon

00:35:53.800 indiscriminately using catapults loaded with napalm. How about getting medieval just to burn

00:36:01.280 the whole place down? That is a war crime, and we've got footage of that we'll get to in a moment. 0.80

00:36:07.420 Then we've got settlers attack municipal crews trying to fix electrical lines

00:36:11.800 into besiege Christian homes in the West Bank that even the U.S. ambassador from Israel,

00:36:19.800 Mike Huckabees, not the U.S. ambassador to Israel, called horrific acts of terrorism.

00:36:25.040 So that's the heat getting turned up as this split intensifies, which is good. We shouldn't

00:36:29.820 have Israel running our foreign policy. Reuters, we have video of this, Israel settlers divert 0.96

00:36:34.320 Palestinian water completely to fill West Bank pool, not for the people in the West Bank, but

00:36:40.340 for the Israelis. So they're like bathing in water while people literally go thirsty. This is

00:36:47.400 absolutely insane. And then the optics are horrible. Remember the U.S. ambassador to Israel,

00:36:54.400 Huckabee says Israel settlers are terrorists who committed horrific terrorist acts.

00:37:02.260 That's a big deal to have that rhetoric coming out. It shows that Trump realizes how serious 0.69

00:37:07.060 the situation's going. So let's play a clip with audio of the catapult and then of the new swimming

00:37:12.600 pool that the Israelis have created with the people's water they need. Just absolutely flagrant. 0.86

00:37:19.860 And here it is.

00:37:27.440 Talk about precision guided munitions. 0.90

00:37:30.860 Just burn down all the forest. Burn everything down. 0.99

00:37:34.160 Israeli settler Yishai Schreiber enjoys a pool filled with fresh water diverted from Palestinian 0.77

00:37:39.120 land. 0.93

00:37:40.120 They're afraid, terrified to death, right? 1.00

00:37:43.780 Any Arab family that came here would simply run away.

00:37:47.600 The spring was a lifeline for the nearby village of Fassail in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

00:37:52.920 But in June, settlers cut off the Palestinians' irrigation pipes and siphoned the water for

00:37:59.420 their own use, including filling this ancient pool.

00:38:04.760 Settlers soon advertised it as an Israeli tourist attraction.

00:38:08.480 Welcome to Herod's Pools, the sign reads, bearing the logo of the party of Israeli far-right

00:38:13.320 minister and settler Betsal El Smotrich, who pledged financial support for the development.

00:38:19.860 There are no Palestinians here, only Israeli families. 0.75

00:38:24.780 When you show them what the truth is, meaning you show who is strong, who is really the 1.00

00:38:28.800 owner of the house, then they will simply flee."

00:38:32.520 Nearby Saad Nemr's crops are dried out.

00:38:35.140 His greenhouses would usually be full of eggplants, zucchini and watermelon.

00:38:39.560 We haven't had a drop of water for the past three months, the Palestinian farmer says,

00:38:44.820 and many families in Faisal will lose their livelihoods.

00:38:48.860 Nemr said settlers had threatened him and beaten up an employee for attempting to approach

00:38:53.540 the spring as far back as two years ago.

00:38:56.620 He showed Reuters land ownership documents, including one from Israel's Kogat military

00:39:01.020 agency, proving both the spring and the pools were on his land. 0.63

00:39:06.120 We cannot go fix it or do any maintenance work since two settlers arrived there and

00:39:12.940 prevented us.

00:39:17.020 Neither Kogat nor Smotrich responded to requests for comment.

00:39:22.000 far-right government has backed a massive expansion of settlements across the west bank

00:39:26.400 where settler attacks on palestinians and seizure of their resources have risen sharply

00:39:33.840 since the start of this year alone at least 160 sites related to water and sanitation came under

00:39:39.440 settler attack according to u.n data palestinian activist faris fuqaha estimates that settlers

00:39:47.040 have seized control of 95% of springs in the northern Jordan Valley, displacing communities.

00:39:53.360 It's heartbreaking, he says, while Adil Yassin of the Palestinian Water Authority

00:39:58.720 pulled it part of a water war to force Palestinians off the land.

00:40:03.840 It harms the Palestinian side more than shooting at them. A bullet kills one person,

00:40:08.240 but cutting off a water source kills a community.

00:40:12.160 These natural springs are some of the last still accessible to Palestinians.

00:40:16.320 They're near the city of Nablus, and in the past,

00:40:18.660 rarely faced settler raids.

00:40:20.720 But hundreds descended this summer to sit at the tables

00:40:23.920 and wade through the pools.

00:40:25.860 Nizam Faris owns the park.

00:40:29.060 People have become scared and jumpy.

00:40:32.260 They come and ask if the settlers have come or not.

00:40:36.380 We don't see peace and tranquility.

00:40:38.180 We see things going from bad to worse.

00:40:39.980 so it's wrong to do that to the palestinians but you understand there's christians there too

00:40:49.800 who have had all the fight all churches have been blown up there's none left they've cut

00:40:54.360 out the electricity they drive through like road warrior and firebomb them at night

00:40:57.220 and finally huckabee has called it horrific terrorism and you notice who's running it

00:41:02.400 it's smotrich who said this war is ideal america's fighting our enemy and this is going to bankrupt

00:41:07.640 Iran, and we don't care about everybody else because the U.S. is the modern Rome, and we'll

00:41:15.040 get them next. And I already played clips of that yesterday. I mean, these are not nice people 0.99

00:41:19.380 running Israel, okay? This is really, really evil. All right, Viva Fry, I apologize. We had

00:41:23.780 technical issues. I'm going to play these two short clips, then come back to you, and we're

00:41:27.900 going to have this discussion, you know, debate. You said last night that you thought I was wrong

00:41:32.800 saying she won. I respect that view. We don't hate each other. We like each other. It's okay

00:41:36.560 to have debates when something's open like this.

00:41:38.600 I think you've always been very friendly to everybody you disagree with,

00:41:41.580 and so am I.

00:41:42.720 I don't think everybody should hate each other when we disagree.

00:41:44.860 There's real perspectives on both sides.

00:41:46.680 We'll talk about it when we come back.

00:41:49.740 But here is a clip where I think that the man she was debating

00:41:53.980 really, really, really lost the debate.

00:41:55.840 I debated this fellow, Andrew Wilson, when I was up in Dallas last Saturday.

00:42:04.360 It's going to be airing soon.

00:42:05.040 Brandon Strock's putting it out. And he used a lot of just kind of facial mannerisms and acting

00:42:11.820 like he was winning points. And they say he's this top debater in the known universe. I wouldn't say

00:42:17.460 he's a terrible debater. And I've seen him win debates where I think he has the topic correctly,

00:42:21.720 where he's on the side of the right. And I think he made some good points against her as well.

00:42:25.920 But we also have a little video showing Candace where she's flip-flopped some. And so there's

00:42:32.160 become an orthodoxy where you're supposed to support anything she says and does or any theory

00:42:35.240 she looks at even though they're contradictory and then i get demonized as a massad operative

00:42:38.680 when i pointed out things that clearly aren't true and clearly aren't aren't aren't right it's like

00:42:43.160 i like candidates but she's seen by her followers as like the word of god uh and and and and so

00:42:50.680 that's where i've had some issues as well but i think overall she won the debate so so here's

00:42:54.140 where she he doesn't know the charges she does then he accuses her of secretly being given the

00:43:01.240 information when clearly on the film she doesn't have a phone in her hand it's down you know the

00:43:04.560 purse or on the side and that really double got him it was a lot of things like that that just

00:43:08.740 optically if you have to say who won it just from the way it came off not even so much the issues

00:43:13.980 it was this and then we'll go to something that I think you know points out fair points where

00:43:18.960 she has been extremely flip-flopper because she's basically said you know that TPSA killed him and

00:43:24.360 the rest of it now she's like oh no I never really said that come on you did say that okay you know

00:43:28.880 about crowds and killers and conspiracies and stuff you're not going to have a bunch of people

00:43:33.360 in the group that have been called out all together on this that's just not how this works

00:43:37.640 and these railies are supposedly involved they're going to get this whole group involved that don't

00:43:41.200 have a history past or operation and they try to create these histories with erica kirk and stuff

00:43:46.120 it's just it's just so people say well which side are you on i'm on the side of truth going through

00:43:49.920 this uh and and so i don't dislike candace i don't like just like tb usa i'm just everybody's

00:43:55.120 into this and loss of faith in the systems and i'm analyzing it and and giving you my take you

00:44:00.720 don't have to agree with me doesn't mean i have all the answers either so here's these clubs that

00:44:04.300 will go right to viva fry stay with us the question you're just not following it enough

00:44:09.900 it seems pretty like if you're going to engage and you're going to say the evidence is overwhelming

00:44:13.460 that tyler robinson is guilty i just think that you should all right can you tell me one then

00:44:18.060 let's do the counter you can really hang out this is a great gotcha you just got to ask me play

00:44:22.780 clips out of context put me in the hot seat so please just answer this is fair name all seven

00:44:27.560 since you've been following the case okay sure you know you name one yeah you named all seven

00:44:32.240 i'm happy to do that but can you name one i think he's i think he's been charged with murder

00:44:36.120 that's actually okay great now name all seven he doesn't even this is like name all seven and and

00:44:41.620 and i can you name all seven i i can't do it sure you don't have to do it no do it i'll count them

00:44:47.440 go ahead you don't have to put your fingers up okay hang on name them yeah sure name them uh the

00:44:52.200 first charge is aggravated murder because that's what carries a death sentence no that's not that

00:44:56.720 is literally not murder okay and so just for people no don't i don't have to do it in a time

00:45:00.520 limit there's nothing going on and just to explain people the difference of why that really matters

00:45:04.120 and shows that he doesn't actually care about this at all is because aggravated murder uh it's

00:45:08.900 it's narrowly defined and because it carries a death sentence i'm not i'm going to answer the

00:45:12.800 question okay you're just going to recognize that your strategy of thinking that people are

00:45:15.980 intimidated when you try to put a time constraint doesn't work and you'll be better the next time

00:45:18.960 you did i got it i got it give me give me the other ones the more you cut me off the longer

00:45:23.200 i'll take do you want to just wait for me to finish of why that's a big difference so that

00:45:26.360 no i just want you to list the charges yeah i'm gonna do that you just don't get to pretend that

00:45:30.940 there's a time constraint for me to do that well how how long does it take you to list seven

00:45:33.920 charges because i'm speaking you just got it sounds like you're just delaying it because

00:45:37.620 you don't know i i know all seven of them and i'm gonna say again because you're gonna get

00:45:41.360 embarrassed i you don't have to rush this i'm also showing an example of a very flawed debate

00:45:47.220 strategy. I actually am under no time constraint. I got one. Great. The second charge is the felony

00:45:53.580 discharge of a weapon. The next two charges are for obstruction of justice. Okay. The next two

00:46:00.580 charges are for witness tampering. And what's the specific charges though? That is them.

00:46:06.120 Obstruction of justice, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, witness tampering. Okay.

00:46:09.860 And there's no other specifics to them. Well, I can tell you why he's being charged with it. No,

00:46:13.320 no, no. Just the charges and then seven. Yeah. See, the bad thing is when you try to be

00:46:17.100 an a-hole, and it doesn't work. What's the seventh?

00:46:19.060 The last charge is violent

00:46:20.860 in front of a minor. Okay, got

00:46:23.100 it. So then, he's being charged

00:46:25.020 with murder. You just say aggravated murder.

00:46:28.320 That's the distinction?

00:46:29.660 You just want to... It's a massive...

00:46:31.280 Massive. One's premeditated, one's not.

00:46:32.920 One's a death penalty, one's not.

00:46:34.920 This gets to the entire crux of why

00:46:37.060 him being up for the death sentence,

00:46:39.180 and I actually find

00:46:41.240 the defense is

00:46:43.040 filing about why this is not aggravated

00:46:45.200 to be...

00:46:47.100 very compelling of why it's not aggravating murder.

00:46:49.760 Actually, if the state was going to even try to pull this off,

00:46:53.320 they should have charged him with just murder.

00:46:55.280 And then I do also, again, want to stress to audiences

00:46:59.020 that that debate strategy gets some sport.

00:47:02.140 I think he thinks it's a blood sport.

00:47:03.180 It's not.

00:47:03.780 It's about being right and being principled when you're engaging.

00:47:06.440 And you can make mistakes.

00:47:08.240 I make mistakes all the time.

00:47:09.660 But at least be genuine in pretending that you care about this case enough

00:47:13.220 to know one of the seven charges that are up against Tyler Robinson

00:47:16.100 when you say the evidence is overwhelming that he's guilty.

00:47:18.880 If you would like to move to final statements, I'm fine.

00:47:21.840 I want to make sure Andrew has had the time that he has requested.

00:47:25.140 I think your team would like to pull up the seven charges that he just asked you about.

00:47:28.680 If you guys want to pull that up just to confirm the seven you went through.

00:47:33.820 Can you guys zoom in a little bit?

00:47:35.500 Aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm, obstruction of justice,

00:47:42.000 which is counts three and four, five and six, tampering with a witness,

00:47:44.800 and count seven violent I said offense in the presence of a minor child yeah so five six

00:47:51.400 tampering witness third degree felony now I did notice something I just was curious about if I'm

00:47:56.680 just wondering when you pulled out your phone just before you asked that question did somebody by

00:48:00.960 chance text you that question you can check my phone I'm just curious no you can absolutely not

00:48:04.860 I didn't I have not had one communication with a single person not even my producers who are in

00:48:09.560 there this whole time we were here you want to check my phone I'm happy to do it because you're

00:48:13.040 going to get double embarrassed where's my phone you want to see it i'm just curious you can

00:48:16.960 literally do that here you go pbd you're the moderator take it let's see if anyone was

00:48:22.560 texted at all during this debate all right about the violent charges or anything

00:48:29.920 i'm looking through this you give me permission you have full permission to go through my phone

00:48:33.440 i don't need to cheat the last one has nothing to do with it it's just a compliment i haven't

00:48:39.360 haven't even read my tech messages that's a compliment he's reading them you're okay you'll

00:48:43.220 give me perfect i'm just going to read three elements 11 32 because after that i don't need

00:48:46.420 to read it any other texts could have been telegram could have been oh i have a signal

00:48:50.740 you can check that too i only have signal telegram i used in russia and that was it i

00:48:56.320 downloaded for i'll take your word for it yeah i don't need to like i deeply care about this case

00:49:00.580 i don't need to pretend i get it if you care about the case i just you know i have my other

00:49:04.840 question is about steakhouse receipt she has said charlie's murder quote had to be approved by

00:49:09.820 charlie's friends and then suggested those friends might have her murdered too for quote knowing the

00:49:16.180 truth i never said that obviously in the context that he put it in we're going to need to hear the

00:49:21.480 full sentence because you're trying to context it in a way that is just um just untrue i just want

00:49:27.120 know why charlie i want to know why um the decision was made to murder charlie kirk a decision that

00:49:36.960 very clearly had to be approved by charlie's friends that's all i have i want to know i want

00:49:43.380 to know why i think we deserve to know why and instead we're going to be sued um i guess is this

00:49:49.480 going to be the pathway forward you're going to start murdering more people in broad daylight for

00:49:53.980 knowing is that our consequence? Is that like the sleeve consequence? Is that like, you know,

00:49:58.940 catching a sleeve and cutting off their limbs? People have watched the show. They know exactly

00:50:04.520 what I've said. And I tend to stand by what I've said. And I do stand by everything that I've said.

00:50:09.660 No one, and I mean absolutely no one outside of my husband and Erica Kirk has the power to shut

00:50:17.520 me up. There's nobody that has the capacity to get me to shut up about this except for

00:50:23.740 Erica Kirk and my husband.

00:50:25.360 I'm not going to stop unless Erica Kirk asks me to stop.

00:50:29.060 If Erica Kirk asks me to be quiet, I will be quiet.

00:50:32.380 To stop. To stop.

00:50:34.760 I just, I just do not accept any of that.

00:50:37.140 I was in this aggrieved stage and I really didn't poke my head up until weeks later.

00:50:44.160 When like, like I could like stop crying about it every second.

00:50:47.360 Charlie Kirk, my friend, is dead.

00:50:49.520 First, this is fantastic that Preborn is doing this.

00:50:52.900 I just want to remind you guys about Pure Talk.

00:50:55.420 Also reminding you guys about American Financing.

00:50:57.500 Also reminding you guys about GNO Land.

00:50:59.820 Also telling you guys about Just Thrive.

00:51:01.780 You head over to our website, CandaceOwens.com.

00:51:03.700 You can sign up, buy yourself a hat.

00:51:05.580 I was totally in a cloud of grief, okay?

00:51:08.520 You remember, I had to go away to Wyoming just to breathe.

00:51:11.820 Like, what am I doing wrong here?

00:51:13.220 That I have to go away and cry for a long time

00:51:17.160 and everyone else just kind of seemed giddy.

00:51:20.840 That's what I can describe it, like giddy.

00:51:22.100 That emotion shouldn't be possible.

00:51:24.540 It shouldn't be possible, actually.

00:51:26.560 I certainly didn't suspect Turning Point USA would be, as I believe, involved in a cover-up.

00:51:31.640 It doesn't necessarily mean they were involved in plotting to kill him, and I've never said that.

00:51:35.860 Cam Higby is on the payroll of Turning Point USA, the very organization that just had its leader assassinated in broad daylight in front of the entire world.

00:51:43.660 Obviously, for this to have been pulled off, there had to have been multiple people involved.

00:51:47.260 There had to have been people at Turning Point that were complicit in having this happen.

00:51:50.860 You said that people at Turning Point were complicit in his murder.

00:51:54.440 No, my exact sentence that I said was that there were people at Turning Point who are engaged in a cover-up.

00:52:00.780 No, you didn't. Sorry, you didn't.

00:52:02.200 I believe that thoroughly.

00:52:02.880 Candice, you didn't say that.

00:52:04.280 There had to have been people at Turning Point that were complicit in having this happen.

00:52:08.000 You said there were people at Turning Point complicit in his murder.

00:52:11.860 Okay.

00:52:13.140 That's what you said.

00:52:13.960 She has accused us of lying about Charlie wanting Erica to take over for him if he died.

00:52:19.500 Never happened.

00:52:20.860 in the event of his untimely death, like, you know, in the third notebook, he was like, oh,

00:52:24.980 and if I accidentally get shot on campus, here's what you should do. Call Erica. And then after

00:52:28.360 you call Erica, come find this notebook. And if during this process of our imagination,

00:52:34.640 common sense comes on and we're like, oh, but wait, Charlie, wasn't he like a boy genius?

00:52:40.680 He's a pretty bright kid. Wouldn't he have maybe formalized that succession plan outside of like

00:52:46.520 a diary never happened and thinking that a shot went off from here if that was just maybe like

00:52:53.580 decoy number two and actually charlie was shot from beneath him which then could maybe explain

00:52:59.520 why there was no exit wound maybe everyone's looking up when we should be looking below right

00:53:04.560 maybe we should be looking below people are doing very what i would say credible videos people that

00:53:10.620 certainly have the credibility are ballistics experts that are saying that what we see in the

00:53:15.640 front is an exit wound on an entry wound theory that is being floated that charlie was shot from

00:53:22.760 the back and i'm telling you this 100 charlie kirk was shot from the front uh and at least

00:53:31.020 a fragment of the bullet was recovered from his neck what i can state rather unequivocally is

00:53:37.380 that there is now more evidence more evidentiary support that charlie may have been killed by a

00:53:42.440 rigged explosive device that was on him.

00:53:44.540 I never dismiss the exploding mic theory.

00:53:46.740 I was always clear to my team

00:53:48.320 that I thought there was something there.

00:53:49.680 And then my producer has a note

00:53:50.980 that there are a lot of comments

00:53:52.120 asking about the microphone theory.

00:53:53.480 Here's what I will say about that.

00:53:54.820 When I looked at image from the side,

00:53:56.860 the microphone is still on him afterwards.

00:53:59.400 So when you see it, it looks like it kind of disappears,

00:54:01.800 but then it kind of shifts.

00:54:03.700 When you look at the perspective slightly to the left,

00:54:08.540 you see that it actually stays on him

00:54:09.900 and it's just in the fold.

00:54:11.040 would imagine if anything did sling into him uh with that kind of a force it would fall off and

00:54:17.320 I can tell you it doesn't fall off yeah I never changed my mind maybe we should be looking below

00:54:21.080 Charlie was shot from the back Charlie Kirk was shot from all right now again a lot of Candace

00:54:27.040 Owens fans are going to be mad at me for even playing this this is what she said not against

00:54:30.500 Candace I've looked at things that I think are legitimate and giving my opinion may not be right

00:54:34.700 I've looked at stuff that I think is correct covered it so this is a big whodunit there's a

00:54:40.020 lot of problems the official story and you know we're the ones that broke the catch till order

00:54:44.620 to cover up a foreign involvement it was harrison smith that was with high level tp usa saying

00:54:49.120 charlie thinks israel is going to kill him a month before he died we published that uh i'm not saying

00:54:54.040 israel did it i'm just saying we we've been covering whatever's real meat and potatoes and

00:54:58.320 now the footage that they said showed you know at the pre-trial stuff him clearly shooting him it's

00:55:02.600 not clear it adds a lot more questions than not and then they're like oh see it shows the shooter

00:55:06.820 but it's not him. Well, now they're away from the exploding microphone, and they say, no,

00:55:10.360 it is the exploding microphone. So I'm going to shut up. Heber Fry's been holding a while 0.72

00:55:13.640 to get on here. So I'm going to try to give him like 10 minutes to open up with what he saw,

00:55:18.620 any angles he wants to go to, any clips he wants. I'm sure he sent the crew. I told him to do that,

00:55:23.760 so he may have done that. I've got a bunch of more clips here, but I think at the end of the day,

00:55:28.200 there's a loss of trust in the system, and this thing is a disaster. You didn't have a grand jury

00:55:34.540 indict I think it's the only state that can do this where the prosecutors did it Viva's the lawyer

00:55:39.100 he can correct me but this is really unprecedented and then the chat GPT confession that is to me

00:55:46.040 looks fake and then just everything changing and just on and on and and George Zinn jumping up a

00:55:52.120 second later I did it I did it so quote the sugar and get away and then a bunch of other people turn

00:55:55.800 around clearly the shot came from I think did come from you know not up close but off and they're

00:56:01.420 like yay like they knew the 10 posts the three days before he'll be dead tomorrow and then and

00:56:06.480 then that day see we told you we and then cash patel was told by tbusa high level so we're not

00:56:11.640 looking at that we know they were involved we can't prove it so we're not going there well you

00:56:15.420 have his support network that's even more proof uh and then they said oh he's confessed and all

00:56:21.040 this and then i've talked to some of the family and heard recordings and done other things they

00:56:24.620 say they're scared and can't talk but what they're being what you're being told is it true so i don't

00:56:28.700 know the truth i just in my opinion think she overall from just tactics and and big gotcha

00:56:35.860 moments perry mason moments one if i was just a regular viewer that doesn't mean she won on the

00:56:41.800 facts of the technicals that is my opinion viva fry had a comment on x is why he's here and i'm

00:56:46.120 gonna shut up because i want to give him the floor but let's let's put his x post up there if we can

00:56:49.700 the guys found it uh and you know he just said i like alex jones but there it is he goes i like

00:56:54.780 Real Alkshones on X, but he is flat-out wrong here.

00:56:57.740 Let's even accept the premise Andrew couldn't name the charges.

00:57:01.400 Who flipping cares?

00:57:02.860 Totally irrelevant to the actual substance.

00:57:04.780 Candace had nothing of substantive theories, nothing on Israel,

00:57:07.940 nothing on Tyler, the patsy.

00:57:09.700 She couldn't even substantiate the Cowboys' receipt, and it just goes on.

00:57:14.460 And it just goes on. 1.00

00:57:15.700 There is a conspiracy here, and Candace is a pathological liar, 1.00

00:57:20.400 and she will take you down if you side with her lies. 0.97

00:57:24.240 Well, I'm not siding with her lies and Mitch Snow and the 12 colonels and all the rest of it.

00:57:31.160 I'm saying if you watch the debate, the way the whole thing came off, I think for the average viewer, you would say that she won.

00:57:37.480 Like when, you know, Trump says to Hillary, yeah, you'd be in prison.

00:57:40.920 You'd be a leftist, disagree with his policies.

00:57:42.560 I think he won that last debate with Hillary.

00:57:44.240 But enough of me.

00:57:45.300 Viva Frye, thanks for being here.

00:57:46.820 Sorry we got you on late.

00:57:48.580 No, don't worry about it.

00:57:49.460 And my also, you know, things read much harsher.

00:57:51.620 that last sentence was the you in the broad sense if you listen to candace owens you will end up

00:57:56.580 getting embarrassed much like everybody who said and went into great detail as to how tyler robinson

00:58:01.880 couldn't be the shooter because he couldn't have gotten from the cowboy steakhouse in pangwich

00:58:06.060 to orm to send the text message an hour and 13 minutes later because it's a three-hour drive

00:58:11.320 and then she has to concede in that debate that they never tied the receipt at the steakhouse

00:58:16.720 to tyler robinson after having publicly come out and said hey when i asked her do you have the

00:58:22.100 receipt can you publish the unredacted receipt to which she says stay tuned and then in the debate

00:58:26.680 yesterday says oh no the stay tuned was only so that the journalist who was reporting it she

00:58:31.420 doesn't name his name but she throws him under the bus it's his story to follow up on as if it's his

00:58:35.600 fault when this thing doesn't pan out but the point of my i said i wouldn't i'm gonna walk out

00:58:40.980 of the room and actually listen to you in my head seconds i won't be able to shut up and because

00:58:43.660 this isn't, we're debating the debate of the insanity, but I'll back you up. Whenever I got,

00:58:50.440 we had people go look at the Egyptian planes. A bunch of others did, found out almost none of it

00:58:54.180 was accurate. She said, oh, I've got it. Stay tuned. That never happened. I'm not trying to

00:58:58.260 attack her, folks. I legitimately go research. I'm looking for the truth. I like Candace. We

00:59:02.040 discovered her, put her on the map. I'm going to shut up now, but you're right. It's like once

00:59:06.600 something isn't proven right, she moves to something else, but that doesn't still mean

00:59:10.260 that the official story's got more holes in the Swiss cheese.

00:59:12.560 But go ahead.

00:59:14.220 And again, the last two lines of my tweet also,

00:59:17.620 I don't believe the official narrative.

00:59:19.400 First of all, let's back it all the way up to the beginning.

00:59:22.020 Why I think you're dead wrong,

00:59:24.780 the purpose of that debate,

00:59:25.860 and I think it's a problem with the nature of that debate,

00:59:27.980 to even get into the, quote, overwhelming evidence.

00:59:30.360 It's a term I've never used.

00:59:31.780 We can't talk about overwhelming evidence

00:59:33.860 at this stage of the proceedings.

00:59:35.880 It's a preliminary hearing for probable cause.

00:59:38.420 If you want to say the overwhelming evidence

00:59:40.240 to substantiate probable cause has been met fine to get into a substantive debate about the

00:59:46.360 overwhelming nature of the evidence before you get into the adversarial process of a trial where

00:59:51.420 someone is innocent until proven innocent unless proven guilty it's it's not a debate that should

00:59:56.020 be having you know taking place right now and so if you want to give andrew the l because he didn't

01:00:01.760 name the charges you know okay fine somebody should know all seven charges fine i think it's

01:00:06.740 just an L to even get into the debate of the so-called overwhelming evidence at this point

01:00:10.800 in time because it's not the proper stage of the proceedings you'll do that after there's been an

01:00:14.780 adversarial process at the trial right now it's preliminary hearing probable cause in my view

01:00:19.640 there's zero doubt they satisfied that threshold which is a very low threshold and this will

01:00:24.060 proceed to trial when you know coming out also when Candace says no there's a big difference

01:00:28.740 between aggravated murder and murder and I don't know why they wouldn't charge him with murder

01:00:32.340 because they're not going to get away with aggravated murder in her view my understanding

01:00:36.280 first of all all aggravated murder is murder but not all murder is aggravated murder and i even

01:00:41.960 think that the lesser and included in aggravated murder is murder so if they don't prove the

01:00:46.320 aggravated part they'll still prove the murder part or at least they'll try to a trial but isn't

01:00:50.840 aggravated in that state is the same thing as premeditated it's the it's the element that

01:00:56.380 carries with it the death penalty whereas with i guess murder or the lesser but included in

01:01:01.160 aggravated murder it doesn't carry the man slaughters an unintentional killing murders

01:01:05.800 where you're mad or didn't know you were into it but you killed somebody and then and then and

01:01:10.520 then you've got aggravated murder as you were planning to do it and did it and i guess you

01:01:13.840 call like a president or a cop that's capital one right well i i won't you know i don't pretend to

01:01:19.060 know all the details of specific states i just know in this particular case it's the they need

01:01:22.640 to prove the aggravated element in order to seek the death penalty which they wouldn't have with

01:01:26.880 a standard called standard murder charge the bottom line however yeah alex should have been

01:01:31.180 able alex uh andrew should have been able to list off the seven charges especially because

01:01:34.460 they're overlapping and you know some of them are more or less relevant you did the obstruction

01:01:40.140 of uh proceedings relevant only because they basically tried to argue that his advice tyler

01:01:45.400 robinson's advice to lance twigs wasn't obstruction it was altruistic just looking out for the best

01:01:50.840 interests of lance twigs and not trying to impede with with official proceedings but all that set

01:01:55.280 that aside we're not talking the trial right now we're not talking the overwhelming evidence

01:01:59.240 that debate, in my view, should have been limited to Candace Owens trying to substantiate and flesh

01:02:05.400 out and provide the evidence for the slew of statements she's made over the last 10 months 0.97

01:02:09.600 that she's built this portion of her career on. And when she gets a fine Alex, Andrew reacted

01:02:16.040 badly to that. You don't accuse someone of having, you know, cheated to get the results of when they

01:02:20.260 finally answer the question, the whole back and forth childish. Yeah, that, in my view, should

01:02:24.880 never have been the question. It's not a relevant question. He'll have a trial. We'll decide what

01:02:28.820 overwhelming evidence is when it's all presented and when the adversarial process has challenged

01:02:35.360 that evidence. Right now, it was, hey, Candace, for about the last year, you've been talking about

01:02:40.380 Egyptian planes, trap doors, the French legion trying to kill you, Israel, Zionists being behind 0.90

01:02:46.300 this. What's your evidence? And she gets out there and not, I mean, she said the word I feel 0.99

01:02:52.160 or feels like, a variation of which,

01:02:54.320 almost 60 times during that debate.

01:02:57.020 How anybody can say, fine, Andrew didn't know the charges,

01:03:01.100 don't go to him for the authority on the legal proceedings.

01:03:03.800 How anybody can continue listening to Candace 0.98

01:03:06.100 when she gets out there and says, 0.92

01:03:07.860 what's my evidence for Israel was in on it?

01:03:10.020 First of all, she backtracked everything.

01:03:12.100 Oh, I never said Erica Kirk was complicit

01:03:14.420 in the killing or the cover-up. 1.00

01:03:16.380 Bull crap, bull crap you did. 1.00

01:03:18.100 And don't tell me I have to go watch all of your shows 1.00

01:03:19.700 in order to understand the context,

01:03:21.520 because I'm not going to and I don't.

01:03:23.620 But don't tell me that you didn't suggest

01:03:25.280 Erica Kirk was in on the conspiracy or cover-up

01:03:27.640 and then backtrack to say,

01:03:29.160 oh no, she was only complicit in the narrative

01:03:31.700 that Tyler Robinson acted as the lone shooter.

01:03:34.640 I mean, it's such a disingenuous backtrack,

01:03:37.000 but set that aside, sincerity versus disingenuousness.

01:03:40.620 When he asked her what your evidence was

01:03:42.180 that Israel was involved, and I'm not defending Israel,

01:03:45.540 they have a history of extrajudicial assassinations

01:03:48.640 in the most sinister, discreet ways possible.

01:03:51.040 But it's fair to ask what the evidence is.

01:03:53.100 That's what I said when they said it two days in.

01:03:55.380 I said, I want to see the evidence.

01:03:56.820 You're a Mossad agent.

01:03:58.080 I'm just like, show me the evidence.

01:04:00.140 No, and not just that.

01:04:01.420 It's one thing to not believe something.

01:04:03.740 It's another thing to want to believe something. 0.57

01:04:06.060 If you want to believe Israel was somehow in on it,

01:04:09.040 you want to ask the questions to test the theory.

01:04:11.320 You want to see the evidence so that you can know how those who are going to try to disprove it

01:04:14.600 are going to try to disprove it.

01:04:15.900 The bottom line, for those who have been saying it's a Zionist conspiracy cover,

01:04:19.520 she had her chance yesterday.

01:04:21.040 What's that evidence? Well, the first part of her answer was Gish Gallop garbage, where she goes 1.00

01:04:26.740 into, well, I don't believe the official narrative that Tyler Robinson, who's into the 2SLGBTQ

01:04:32.280 furry stuff, but he never talked about it with Lance Twiggs. First of all, that's entirely a

01:04:36.580 diversion, but very interesting all of a sudden that while they say, I don't trust Lance Twiggs,

01:04:40.880 he got use immunity for a statement, but now I'm going to rely on his testimony, which is

01:04:44.500 self-serving to say we never discussed politics or LGBTQ politics. That's self-serving because

01:04:48.880 i wouldn't be surprised if lance twiggs is heavily involved in this i just know that i can't

01:04:54.020 substantiate that statement right now oh man i agree with you he comes off as uber creepy and

01:04:59.640 then all just coming off all the connections not knowing any of it and then a lot of the weird

01:05:05.140 videos look like he's at the scene i mean i gotta say my spidey sense goes off the chart when i look

01:05:09.320 at that guy well and again people say viva you're carrying the fed slope i'm not i believe that there

01:05:15.440 is a conspiracy here but all of this diversion has now allowed the authorities to say we don't

01:05:20.000 need to entertain any of these questions because you're up with the Egyptian planes trap doors 0.86

01:05:24.000 and exploding microphones you guys are nuts we don't have to address the legitimate questions

01:05:27.580 yeah I think it's weird that Kash Patel if to the extent it's true and I do believe Joe Kent when 0.84

01:05:32.780 he says it I mean Joe Kent told me that to my face last weekend we all we were we were in the

01:05:39.200 same rooms yeah and you know it's I believe Joe Kent when he says it and then people say well

01:05:43.560 that's that's proof that israel was a lot first of all absence of proof is not proof of something

01:05:47.920 you say if that's your evidence and that's the reason why i don't have any evidence well that's

01:05:53.300 a legitimate thing okay i would find the evidence if they did the proper investigation is not

01:05:57.380 evidence of an act and so it's the impossible unfalsifiable the evidence is that the evidence

01:06:02.920 doesn't exist because we weren't allowed to get the evidence which i know exists but we weren't

01:06:05.780 allowed to get it the issues you know might be more that it could have shown a domestic uh

01:06:11.360 It could have shown confidential human sources, agents, assets involved in these online communities that radicalize people.

01:06:18.840 We've seen it with Gretchen Whitmer.

01:06:19.520 Hold on, hold on.

01:06:20.200 It's not that it may have shown that.

01:06:22.020 There were, I've counted them, 10 messages in the three days before, six the day before saying he'll be dead tomorrow.

01:06:27.740 Three of them came out and said, see, I told you he'd be dead.

01:06:30.800 And then Zinn knew to be there instantly to yell, jump up and scream, it's me, it's me, so he could get away.

01:06:35.760 A bunch of people turned around and cheered instantly.

01:06:38.540 The word was out. 0.59

01:06:39.880 I mean, and I was told, I'm not going to name names, I talked to two high-level TV USA people, I mean, right at the top, not Erica Kirk, it wasn't her, and they said, point blank, I said, hey, you guys are getting blamed for this, I don't think you're involved, I know a bunch of guys for years, obviously you're not black op murderers, and black op killing crews don't get wide conspiracies and get you to join in on it, that's very amateurish, you know, Candace thinks, you can't shoot a rifle on the ground, it hits your eye, you know, she has a lot of blank spots, and both of them told me,

01:07:09.000 no we talked to cash a lot and we said why don't you and they're like well we know they did that

01:07:13.880 but probably did know it was gonna happen but we can't prove that they were accomplices so we don't

01:07:18.380 want to have a loss to me i'm no lawyer or prosecutor but i've studied it if you have this

01:07:23.040 group in support of him that's the proof right there that they saw it so you make them turn

01:07:27.780 state's evidence the fact that the fbi didn't want to touch that that is that is big and but

01:07:33.060 notice candace i'm not mad at candace but she never seems to get into the cover-up the trans

01:07:37.220 community they're saying we're going to kill charlie kirk they're a very violent group

01:07:40.900 there's they sit and then they celebrate it and we're not supposed to look at that and all iver

01:07:45.380 said was is no we have to look at this and accomplices and i think it's a very reasonable

01:07:50.100 avenue of investigation go ahead sorry no in as much as they think israel had the incentive which

01:07:56.900 is you can theorize a mens rea an intent in as much as they think israel had that intent because

01:08:02.480 charlie kirk was going to sway a generation of conservatives away from supporting israel

01:08:05.640 so too did the lgbtq furry trans community with the stated purpose of having done that in the past

01:08:12.060 in as much as charlie said he's nervous that you know israel or you know he's gonna get taken out

01:08:15.980 for his changing views he was also concerned about the violence from the trans community so

01:08:20.520 it's the you know the blinders that they don't even apply the same logic and this is candace

01:08:25.700 to israel that to the trans community that they do to israel but the bottom line she had the chance

01:08:31.480 what was your evidence and she gets out there and says well i don't believe the narrative that

01:08:35.120 Tyler, you know, did it did it out of a heat of passion for trans rights because Lance Twiggs, who I now trust, said they never discussed politics. 0.72

01:08:41.980 Oh, and then he went and ate at a Chick-fil-A, which is exactly what a LGB too. 0.62

01:08:46.140 And let's not forget Twiggs has been given immunity, which makes him very suspect.

01:08:50.180 Well, he was given use immunity. So that means that he could he cannot be prosecuted for the statement that he provided.

01:08:55.920 But if they find evidence of wrongdoing through other means, he can still be prosecuted. It's not blanket immunity.

01:08:59.940 it's a big distinction and the argument will be that they wanted at least to be able to convict

01:09:05.200 one individual my point is it is immunity on the statements is what i meant yes immunity on the

01:09:11.560 statements and some people are angry about that but they can still if he committed a crime if he

01:09:15.560 partook of it if he was the one on the roof that actually took the shot took the shot which it's

01:09:19.700 i i could believe that as well when there's the slightest piece of evidence to substantiate it

01:09:24.640 And they they can still prosecute Lance for crimes he may have committed if they can find the evidence through means other than that statement.

01:09:31.940 But they're not going to go against their official story now.

01:09:36.360 Look, that they acted alone.

01:09:37.840 And the problem is, I don't know who believes that that Tyler acted alone to the extent that he did this.

01:09:42.540 You have people with advanced knowledge.

01:09:44.340 You have George Zinn, a man who was subsequently arrested for CSAM on his phone.

01:09:48.860 He had a fan club instantly celebrated when the shot happened.

01:09:52.440 yeah people celebrate it there were advanced warnings george zinn is there pretends to be

01:09:57.840 the shooter for his stated purpose of letting the shooter get away has see sam on his phone

01:10:02.300 my operating theory is that there were these discord chats that radicalized tyler george

01:10:07.200 zinn was in on them larping as a pervert teenager uh getting his rocks off with these people they

01:10:12.080 they had discussed it whatever he had to incline he knew that this was going to happen and he goes

01:10:15.480 there and he thinks he's going to get in somebody's good books by letting his lover boy get off i mean

01:10:19.520 that's my operating theory except you know we don't have the evidence to substantiate that

01:10:23.540 i can appreciate that i can say something and know that i don't have the evidence to

01:10:27.020 substantiate that the problem is however the question has not yet been answered by either

01:10:32.000 the fbi i agree with that makes a lot of sense because twigs is much more serious and competent

01:10:35.960 uh the other guy looks like he's been electroshock torture or something and then there's a lot of

01:10:40.240 video that looks like the the build and the shoes and things of twigs i've thought that was since i

01:10:45.080 saw him in the in the hearing from the from the interviews that made my skin crawl in the whole

01:10:50.200 background sounds like he's the mastermind and then his lover is mind controlled or something

01:10:55.440 and and basically is taking the fall and they think because it isn't him actually doing it

01:11:00.100 Robinson that they think it'll be a dead end at the end of it this is some master thing they

01:11:04.620 cooked up but we can appreciate when we are theorizing versus when we don't have concrete

01:11:10.940 evidence to substantiate those theories that's right and if people criticize you and I saying

01:11:14.840 And that has a lot of that should be looked into.

01:11:17.540 We're not going to get mad at people and call them Assad agents.

01:11:20.800 No, no. And not just that.

01:11:22.180 I would argue I would, you know, theorize or suggest that the reason why these particular questions, which are direct and relevant and foreseeable, understandable questions.

01:11:32.540 The reason they don't have to address them anymore is because we all get lumped together in trapdoor Egyptian planes, getting the time zones wrong.

01:11:39.900 And so we all get lumped together with crazy people, not just people asking questions.

01:11:44.480 The question I've had since the beginning, has the FBI or the Utah State investigators confirmed that they have identified, verified, and cleared everybody involved in any text or Discord message with Tyler Robinson or Lance Twiggs?

01:11:58.340 There hasn't been an answer to that yet.

01:12:00.800 Yeah, why don't we learn who else they were talking to?

01:12:05.120 By the way, also, relevant.

01:12:07.620 These are dots, and you can connect them.

01:12:09.000 It would appear if you believe that Tyler Robinson was radicalized online as per, you know, something of the narrative is something, you know, his parents said, yeah, within the last year he got radicalized.

01:12:18.040 It's the same time frame within which Thomas Crooks had gotten radicalized.

01:12:21.740 Thomas Crooks, who we were told to told and lied about his social media footprint.

01:12:26.900 And, you know, this is what I guess at some point the blame not all comes back to the DOJ, but some of it does understandably.

01:12:35.280 So when you have an FBI DOJ that has misled you under this administration, lied to you, or at least provided inaccurate information to you under this administration about Thomas Crook's social media footprint, and then they go after Tucker Carlson for revealing that information, Brianna Morello for revealing that information, when you have that FBI come out and tell you, despite everything we've said over the last five years, Epstein killed himself, we have a video that shows it.

01:12:58.080 and the video doesn't show it and nobody believes it and then you got a doj coming out and saying

01:13:01.860 we all signed off on that you know agreement as to what happened with epstein except they didn't

01:13:06.000 sign off on that memo that was leaked to axios when you have a an fbi doj doing that you can't

01:13:10.960 blame people for not believing anything they ever have to say the flip side however and this is where

01:13:16.440 people i think are going down the conspiracy psychosis alley which is it's different to say

01:13:21.660 i don't believe anything they say versus i'm going to believe the exact opposite out of a reflex or

01:13:26.480 i get to believe whatever the hell i want at this point and when people are coming out saying

01:13:29.880 israel did it israel just shot charlie kirk it's the zionist yada yada yada fine it might very well

01:13:34.760 be what was your evidence candace nothing she had her moment to show all of her evidence nothing

01:13:41.860 other than a convoluted explanation like you know lgbt people don't what about what about erica

01:13:47.560 they say they have photos of the fort wechuca hotel i keep waiting for that yeah fort wechuca

01:13:52.840 hotel that eric there was a secret meeting i mean it's it's first of all everybody's reflex to say

01:13:58.720 well you know more often than not a spouse is involved when the other spouse gets killed

01:14:02.200 context matters like when they get randomly shot okay fine you'd have to say well that's

01:14:07.180 like saying jackie kennedy was involved in the murder of jfk

01:14:10.040 people have lost their minds over this and i won't it's not a question of her marketing it

01:14:17.200 your montage of candace at the beginning is more ruthless than anything i would put together but

01:14:22.240 you know it's i'll just assume that she righteously believes everything she's saying

01:14:26.700 at some point you put out enough garbage that is disproven and you know unsubstantiated at some

01:14:34.060 point you have to own up for it yesterday was the comeuppance fine andrew wilson couldn't name the

01:14:38.420 charges i don't think it's appropriate to have a discussion about the overwhelming evidence at

01:14:42.240 this stage of the proceedings even when i was doing you know the analysis of the preliminary

01:14:45.560 hearings just the name of the debate was skewed against candace what i'm saying is i don't think

01:14:50.120 Candace is a bad person. A lot of what she's brought up real. The problem is every avenue

01:14:54.120 she investigates has to be accurate, even when she changes the view. And then we take, take,

01:14:59.460 take Mitch Snow. She's like, here's this guy. He saw this. Doesn't make sense. 12 kernels,

01:15:03.400 all this. I know that. I go look. And then here's the footage his wife put out. He's convicted

01:15:06.880 of him taking the keys, beating the car, attacking her with a hammer, barricading her in the garage.

01:15:11.800 He's convicted of it. He's on air begging for money, saying his wife did it to him

01:15:15.860 when there's footage and he's convicted and then her supporters go i mean to a man well it doesn't 0.52

01:15:22.060 matter if he's a known convicted con man and liar he the wachooka is real and i go it doesn't matter

01:15:27.620 if someone a whole bunch of other famous con artist stuff and convictions like this guy is

01:15:31.540 like catch me if you can and i'm like this this guy's probably bringing this in on purpose he's

01:15:36.260 not just a grifter to discredit the whole thing like shut up massad agent i mean and to me the

01:15:41.640 mitch snow thing is just spectacular well again like i don't know candace and i don't need to

01:15:47.420 attribute malice or ill intent to what she's done the outcome is the same you know the theories have

01:15:53.980 been bogus and and the explanation from her crowd is will she her her opinions evolve as time goes

01:16:00.480 on if you make your bed with inadequate information you don't get to change the sheets and say well

01:16:06.320 you know like new information came in no you you you posited things based on inaccurate information

01:16:11.660 and you came to conclusions based on insufficient inadequate non-existent information or outright

01:16:16.500 wrong well in any trial if a witness gets caught in even one lie they're discredited

01:16:20.700 so this new idea that mitch knows a known super con man thoroughbred and everything he says is

01:16:26.880 caught on video and convictions being the opposite of reality he's not even that sophisticated he

01:16:30.420 just reverses reality and then we're supposed to believe him as if it's the word of god and and

01:16:36.020 And someone's past lies don't matter in the future.

01:16:38.700 That is the murder of logic and common sense.

01:16:42.240 And I just go back to that.

01:16:43.520 And, again, people say, well, wait, are you four canister against her?

01:16:45.660 No, we exposed the stand.

01:16:47.820 We exposed, they said, don't look at foreign environment. 0.63

01:16:49.700 We exposed obvious accomplices.

01:16:51.580 We exposed the confession like a Chad GPT where you can't throw a telescopic scope on like that

01:16:56.640 and put this rifle together in that time.

01:16:57.940 That's proven that whatever the gun was they had isn't the one they found at the chicken coop.

01:17:02.200 Okay, so I don't believe any of it.

01:17:04.540 I don't blame anybody questioning it.

01:17:06.020 But then if I'm going to spend my time, because everybody wants me to, to analyze each point, I've got integrity.

01:17:11.180 I'm going to tell you what I think is accurate and what isn't.

01:17:13.180 And maybe I'm wrong.

01:17:14.080 Maybe you can disprove me.

01:17:14.940 But it doesn't mean I'm a Mossad agent. 0.61

01:17:17.160 I just spent an hour exposing Israel and the horrible stuff they're doing.

01:17:21.200 Well, Alex, I mean, in the same day, literally, I get called a Jew hater and a Zionist.

01:17:25.740 I mean, I got, you know, I get called, you know, doing this for to benefit the administration.

01:17:31.540 when i took when i had people calling for my deportation when i was criticizing you know

01:17:37.000 vigorously the rollout of the epstein debacle and when i was criticizing the strikes in iran

01:17:41.940 going back to operation midnight hammer you know it's it is tribalism on steroids and the people

01:17:47.980 out there who now say you know this is covid 2.0 and the people who are buying up the fed slop are

01:17:55.400 to trust the science peoples there is an inability not only to understand nuance there is the

01:18:01.640 compulsion to view things as basic black and white tribalist uh adherence and lionel whatever

01:18:08.140 his name is lionel media coming out saying viva's against candace i thought he was one of us what 0.98

01:18:13.180 kind of idiotic thought process is that i i'm first of all i'm a pretty lone and independent 0.94

01:18:18.420 individual i mean i'm pretty much as lone wolfish as you can get in terms of not i mean i believe 0.99

01:18:23.840 you believe what you're saying most of the time you're right you're a guy of integrity and

01:18:26.720 everything you're saying is true about where you stand exactly you're really trying to figure this

01:18:31.360 out and and and the idea that if we don't just say you know the official story is totally true

01:18:36.920 we're called scum by what i'm i'm attacked by people that hate candace and i'm attacking people

01:18:41.760 that love her because i have integrity and i'm just sitting here calling what i see well alex

01:18:47.180 you know what the greatest uh gift was to the pizzagate story the dude who got uh you know

01:18:52.960 convinced to go to Comet Pizza and shoot the place up. Because as of that moment, nobody ever talked

01:18:57.620 about the Podesta emails again. Nobody talked about the freaky art that talks about, you know,

01:19:01.920 a handkerchief with math, you know, pizza related maps on it. As of the time, one individual was

01:19:07.240 goaded into doing something stupid. It gave the powers that be the moral, ethical authority and 0.98

01:19:13.020 even obligation to disregard all of that crazy Pizzagate talk. So if I would have zero trouble

01:19:19.800 even believing if Israel were involved. 0.99

01:19:22.580 I mean, I'd say maybe they would probably go about it

01:19:24.080 in a more discreet manner

01:19:25.400 like they've done with other assassinations. 0.98

01:19:27.340 They like to kill you in hotel rooms. 0.77

01:19:29.460 Well, certainly, and people bring up the pagers. 0.96

01:19:31.680 And it's like, first of all, 0.92

01:19:32.380 the only reason Israel went with the pagers 0.92

01:19:34.060 to kill the Hamas people,

01:19:35.700 A, it was extremely risky 0.92

01:19:36.840 and didn't take them out more often than not.

01:19:39.620 The only reason they did it

01:19:40.300 is because they had no access to bring in men

01:19:42.300 to poison or assassinate.

01:19:44.820 The idea that they would go with the riskiest,

01:19:46.920 most, I would say, easily traceable

01:19:49.760 method of assassination, it defies logic. But set that aside. I would have zero problem

01:19:55.160 believing, accepting that some foreign or domestic agents were involved because Charlie

01:20:00.980 Kirk was going to be the next president. He was going to be a next conservative president. He was

01:20:05.500 a singularly unique human with the power of persuasion that very few people have on this

01:20:09.960 earth because he was so sincere and likable. Zero problem to believe it. But you've got to give the

01:20:14.920 slightest shred of evidence which is not the absence of evidence well i know israel did it

01:20:20.020 because cash patel wouldn't look into it after joe kent uh suggested they look into a foreign nexus

01:20:24.160 is not evidence of an act and this is all that the evidence has ever been is suggestions running

01:20:30.120 theories you know debunked uh outright disinformation but they want to believe it's so

01:20:35.700 bad they shout out at the people who ask the questions to challenge their theory let me ask

01:20:41.080 what happens when they have the trial because you know you're a lawyer you came and covered

01:20:45.520 one of my show trials uh in in texas and you you accurately reported on how it was total fraud

01:20:51.160 um and i've talked a lot of reporters that are at this trial they say so far it looks like the

01:20:55.620 judge is being somewhat fair and you know stuff's transparent you know they call the pre-trial stuff

01:20:59.340 the actual trial which it wasn't uh but i've been in show trials so then it makes me kind of

01:21:04.500 a little bit suspect of other ones but gut level or looking at this as this unfolds how long is

01:21:09.500 the trial going to take how are people going to respond to this where do you see this going because

01:21:13.500 i see the more we debate it the bigger a black hole it becomes and i just don't ever see how

01:21:18.460 we do find the truth we just know the official story obviously uh doesn't add up so so so where

01:21:23.500 does this where does this go in your view well i'll add an important distinction your trial

01:21:28.820 was a show trial because you never had a trial they went straight to quantum it would be basically

01:21:32.920 like defaulting tyler robinson into guilt and then only having a trial to determine if it's

01:21:36.840 the death penalty. You don't even have a pretrial or a trial. You just skip right to sentencing and

01:21:41.960 the judge puts onto the jury why you're guilty. Let's assume it gets to a trial where you have

01:21:46.640 full production of the evidence. People will never be satisfied. People will always say

01:21:51.740 they're all in on it. The judge is in it. We've gotten to the point now where people are saying

01:21:56.020 the defense attorneys are on it. What's her name? Nestor is in on it because they didn't raise

01:22:01.320 certain elements that they could have raised when people believe that the text messages were

01:22:05.680 fabricated, falsified, whatever. If this goes to trial and there's a conviction, it will never

01:22:10.780 convince people. If it goes to trial and there's an acquittal, it'll spawn a whole new slew of

01:22:15.940 conspiracies. If he pleads out, because this is, you know, I think maybe more likely where it's

01:22:20.660 going to go, because I think the defense probably knows more stuff than Candace Owens. If he pleads

01:22:24.780 out after they strike a deal that removes the death penalty from the table, people are going

01:22:29.180 to say, this is more evidence of the corruption because this is what the feds do. They overcharge

01:22:33.360 to coerce a settlement and it's you know this is the problem of the system which is a legitimate

01:22:37.660 criticism as well and then you never get to exploring alternative not alternative theories

01:22:42.260 potential accomplices um and so that'll not satisfy anybody or god forbid if he gets epsteined or dies

01:22:50.560 or takes his own life you got a whole new slew of conspiracies going on i was about to say i was

01:22:55.440 about to say uh exactly i think there's a really good chance of that because it's got the same

01:23:00.600 federal forces swirling around it. My issue with Andrew Wilson is this. He's debated my son a few

01:23:05.360 times. It's not just my son. I just so happen to have seen those. And then I saw him in some other

01:23:12.380 debates that they saw some of them on Rogan. So I debated him last Saturday. And I actually didn't

01:23:18.600 do as good as I would have in a four hour debate because and we won it. And they admitted we won

01:23:24.200 halfway through. They go, you're right. The war is wrong. We shouldn't throw Trump out the window.

01:23:27.640 and you guys are just Trump derangement syndrome and we should just back Trump in the war

01:23:31.760 because it's going to hurt us too bad to have the Democrats in.

01:23:34.280 I'm like, that's two separate things.

01:23:36.140 But he did so many little weird tricks and appeals to emotion and laughing and then like, 0.99

01:23:43.240 we all know that it's ridiculous that the NDAA merges us with Israel, right? 0.99

01:23:49.040 We all know it. 0.99

01:23:50.240 And he's like, we all know, we all know the damn bill says it. 0.99

01:23:53.640 Then Yahoo wrote it. 1.00

01:23:54.780 And at a certain point, I was like, you're full of crap, man. 0.98

01:23:56.800 okay and you know just and and and so what i'm saying is i'm a little prejudiced in i'm gonna 0.98

01:24:02.880 be completely honest he comes off as very swarmy and really villainish i i i'm gonna be honest

01:24:08.400 andrew and i want him on the show i want to debate him i don't like him and and so candace for all

01:24:13.320 her issues and all the cultishness around it and her surrogates that she fully backs going

01:24:18.100 completely ape when you question anything and i have real problems with her and but i'll have

01:24:21.960 problems the whole thing because i can't figure it out and it's because the loss of trust and i

01:24:25.300 And it's a whodunit that just won't go away.

01:24:28.060 It's like a pain in my neck that won't go away.

01:24:30.940 So I'm just mad at everybody.

01:24:32.240 And he was likable in ways, but it was still like my spidey sense was like,

01:24:35.580 man, I'm not going to turn my back on this guy.

01:24:37.820 And I just think the swarminess, I mean,

01:24:40.120 I was watching this double speed just trying to get through him.

01:24:43.700 And I just, what I meant when I said he lost, I think her bearing,

01:24:48.200 he got a lot of shots in, I'm not saying that,

01:24:49.960 but just the way she handled it and just his likability.

01:24:54.140 And I think the Internet agrees with me.

01:24:55.480 I think she won the debate.

01:24:56.240 You still think I'm wrong?

01:24:57.320 Well, no, I still think you're wrong.

01:24:59.240 But it's only because that's not the part of the debate that I think is relevant at all.

01:25:04.120 You're a lawyer, so you were trying to look at facts.

01:25:07.100 Well, I was trying to I think it's improper to have a debate on the overwhelming nature of the evidence at this stage because it hasn't been through the adversarial process.

01:25:15.280 I think that entire discussion is a losing discussion.

01:25:17.780 And that goes back, because you're right, that goes back to the – because that goes back to the pretrial where they had all those influencers, a bunch of my friends, and then when I saw it, it was all scripted, the exact same statements, and I was just like, whoever's telling them to say this, and we saw him up close pull the trigger, and then that wasn't the case.

01:25:36.660 Sorry, go ahead.

01:25:38.200 No, I mean, look, there have been things that I know or I suspect people would rephrase if they could.

01:25:43.600 When they came out and said, you know, it was clear, we saw him take the shot.

01:25:47.760 I mean, I understood how they were doing it or how they were getting there because I understand how the chain of identification in that video montage worked.

01:25:56.620 Where they say like, okay, this is him here, this is him here.

01:25:58.560 Now you don't know that it's him.

01:26:00.160 You wouldn't know in abstract and if that's him, but now he's here on the roof.

01:26:03.180 Here's taking the shot.

01:26:04.100 But they weren't clear when they said that.

01:26:05.960 Yeah, yeah.

01:26:06.840 Well, I say they were worse than not clear.

01:26:08.720 They were definitely overselling it, even if semantically what they said was accurate.

01:26:12.420 but i know these guys and i i know jack i know benny as well but i know jack better um i'm sure

01:26:17.200 he would have rephrased it differently and also you know again i don't attribute malice to these

01:26:23.120 to these um you know their actions i understand that they are in fact personally invested they

01:26:27.520 knew charlie not exponentially better well they're also invested in saying they believe the official

01:26:32.960 story and the trans folks said we're going to kill him and celebrated it so it's not i understand

01:26:37.500 and so i don't think it's a conspiracy they all kind of saw it they were in there they after they

01:26:41.440 go god that was pretty good proof but my point was when i saw them come out though i saw the

01:26:45.740 talking point and i went you guys should have at least changed your talking point up a little bit

01:26:49.800 this is obvious well i i wouldn't even accuse them of having a you know a standard talking

01:26:53.960 point overwhelming evidence is sort of the standard catchphrase when you talk about evidence

01:26:58.000 in a trial not at a preliminary it's over you can see it incredible proof you know it's all done

01:27:04.320 folks go home you know well and if they're if the argument is well okay they meant in terms of the

01:27:08.820 I didn't retweet it at the time

01:27:12.180 because I wanted to verify exactly what they saw

01:27:14.100 and when I understood what they saw

01:27:15.380 I was like, ugh, social media is not going to be friendly

01:27:17.820 to them on their statements

01:27:19.140 but the bottom line, I appreciate when you thought

01:27:21.720 Andrew, his debate tactic

01:27:24.300 can rub people the wrong way

01:27:26.340 you can go for demeanor

01:27:27.980 you can go for style

01:27:28.880 maybe he lost there

01:27:30.800 and maybe he comes off as a bit smarmy if you want to

01:27:33.720 or he comes off as a little bit condescending

01:27:35.360 well he does a confidence act

01:27:36.840 like oh i got you like oh do you know the seven oh and then she knows she goes oh you had a little

01:27:42.240 trick up your sleeve where's the phone sweetie i'm sure he is self-reflective enough to go back 0.99

01:27:47.840 to that part of the debate and say that was stupid like don't ask questions i've never seen such a 0.98

01:27:53.320 it's like when jordan jumps over five players and like flies and does the i mean he it's not even 0.98

01:27:59.240 the candace is that good she did a great job he teed himself up for a double smackdown i mean i

01:28:05.200 agree but that that wasn't the purpose of the that wasn't the purpose of the debate call it that and

01:28:11.300 it's without consequence because we're not at the point where we should be talking about the

01:28:15.280 overwhelming nature of the evidence we're at the preliminary hearing and that debate was for

01:28:20.000 candace to flesh out some of her evidence to substantiate her multiple claims and she utterly

01:28:24.900 failed on that and that was that was the only thing i was interested in i mean she didn't she

01:28:28.360 didn't back up her well the what i really think was where she if you want to look for someone

01:28:32.740 that actually follows it because I was saying one for the general public I said that too I said 0.98

01:28:36.140 in the general eyes the general people in my opinion she would win in optics it doesn't mean

01:28:40.500 the technicals but where she were if I was judging it as someone like a tactician on the facts

01:28:45.120 that I can't believe I had no all these I'm so it's like you're just sucking all the oxygen down

01:28:49.420 she was backpedaling on saying tpusa and everybody was involved she was backpedaling

01:28:55.040 on a whole bunch of other stuff so her then going no I never said that no I didn't do that no no

01:28:58.480 that's not what i meant i sat there and watched it yeah no no imagine her saying that when she

01:29:05.100 said stay tuned for the unredacted receipt it was stay tuned for the coverage by uh diligent

01:29:10.740 denison i mean imagine having the audacity to say that you got baron coleman in one of his episodes

01:29:16.200 going on for i don't know how long saying he couldn't possibly have gotten from pangwich

01:29:20.840 to oram so it can't possibly be him and they're basing it on a receipt which they say they saw

01:29:27.500 which doesn't prove what they are concluding it proves and then during that debate she has to

01:29:34.060 concede that they never tied that receipt to tyler robinson how that and that she'll update her

01:29:40.000 timeline if someone comes out and proves and debunks it by showing that it doesn't correlate

01:29:44.600 to the bank account which she assumes is going to happen and if it doesn't she'll revise her 0.85

01:29:48.340 timeline how the hell do you have the balls to do that how do you have the audacity to come out 0.93

01:29:52.640 and say things like trapped i'm just exploring theories no that was my biggest problem with her 0.98

01:29:57.260 is and i've seen the timelines you said i was brutal and that that's not my compilation but i

01:30:00.560 didn't see it all set oh it's an accurate compilation it was it was i mean that's that's

01:30:04.020 just a steel man at alex they're gonna say oh well now she's re-exploring the microphone theory

01:30:09.360 because you know she said that he was shot early on and now new information has come out

01:30:13.240 you know at some point you know a broken clock is right twice a day and at some point you don't get

01:30:18.220 the benefit of having said a and not a because over the course of a year you've been so wild

01:30:22.880 you've said both a and not a it sort of it goes back to like the argument with trump well trump

01:30:27.360 always said that iran can never have a nuclear weapon trump always said that iran's been fighting

01:30:31.480 us forever well true but you know someone doesn't get to say now because i said both contradictory

01:30:36.500 statements that it means i was you know being forthright but it's worse than that the lion's

01:30:40.860 share was you vote for her world war three i won't go to war with iran i'll end the russia

01:30:44.740 war the first day the lion's share was vote for me to stop war and he didn't do it in the first

01:30:50.480 term so i thought it had real credibility no and and if you notice it you can go look up how these

01:30:56.580 terms get used the idea that iran had been at war for 47 years really only started picking up after

01:31:01.900 people got the idea that well this is where we have to pivot to right now but you don't get the

01:31:05.780 benefit because you said both a and not a at some point over the last 10 years to then say well i

01:31:10.860 didn't mislead you you misunderstood or you didn't hear me when i said it the first time when candace

01:31:14.940 comes out and says exploding mike theory he was shot from the back he was shot from the front he

01:31:18.860 was shot from the down he wasn't shot oh he doesn't just say he was shot from the front then back she

01:31:23.840 says i've always said from the front it is the front it is the front next i've always said it

01:31:29.600 was an exploding microphone bro and then and then like oh look it's on the roof it's a different

01:31:33.480 shooter see from the front and then now our people are like no it's exploding mic and a shooter and

01:31:38.200 i'm just like guys please stop i don't mean stop questioning just stop but here's the thing you

01:31:43.600 got a lot of people that aren't that smart that have finally woke up some and now they're trying

01:31:47.920 to invest i'm not trying to be mean to him but viva this is what happens when you get the the

01:31:52.060 unwashed masses which i'm good to have awaken but it's kind of a process for them they're like two

01:31:57.340 year olds with the finger painting right now i think well this is what happens when you get into

01:32:01.820 the by the way alex people thought i was calling you psychotic because i guess they didn't realize

01:32:05.660 that you used the term back in the day but this is when you've been lied to so much you get into a

01:32:11.160 frame of mind where everything is the wildest conspiracy out there i practiced litigation for

01:32:17.020 a long time and i said this happens after people are involved in litigation for a long enough period

01:32:20.760 of time everybody's against them the judge is against them their own lawyers against them their

01:32:24.600 mothers against them if you've ever been around a kid that's been abused i've only seen it a few

01:32:27.900 times but i've read about it and saw it and you'll just move your arm or you'll reach to get something

01:32:32.380 and they do this it doesn't mean you're beating them but somebody else has been beating them

01:32:36.680 so they have that reflex and exactly i don't blame the public not believing anything but

01:32:40.700 you know you got people that think the capital was built 5 000 years ago because we can't build it

01:32:45.780 a day even though there's photos of it being built and you know people's ancestors wrote books about

01:32:49.780 it that are following you know there's people like the earth's flat and i'm not even attacked

01:32:53.280 they they don't have any context they just think they're being lied to which they are at many

01:32:57.580 levels so now they think everything's fake and it's pretty pretty scary well it's it's it's a

01:33:03.300 post-truth world but the problem is i i actually had people defending candace when you know i said

01:33:08.840 at least now she's admitting that charlie was shot and they're like oh no it would still be

01:33:12.220 technically shot if it was a projectile coming off an exploding microphone because it behaves

01:33:15.720 the same way i'm like this is not asking questions anymore this is cultish she comes out she comes

01:33:21.380 out and goes look the shooter's got bigger muscles he runs he clearly doesn't put it together there's

01:33:27.020 not time which is true if it's the gun they say and then and then but it's also but it's still

01:33:31.340 exploding microphone it's like you guys like like we don't believe the official story but we're 0.95

01:33:36.060 investigators trying to find out what it is and all of this horse shit is obscuring it and and 0.91

01:33:42.640 appreciate that the people who say we're just asking questions are literally trying to shut 0.93

01:33:47.440 up the people who are testing their theories it's i literally had one of candace's gangs i don't know

01:33:52.340 who they are uh saying we're gonna you know we're gonna bully you off the internet i was like oh you 0.60

01:33:57.340 guys are the ones asking questions and now you're trying to shut down shut up and harass into silence 0.61

01:34:01.360 everybody who's testing your theories and everybody out there i'm not telling anybody not to ask

01:34:05.880 questions period full stop by the way you know my show it is classic talk radio i say this is what

01:34:11.600 i'm thinking i'm not sure because i actually want to hear people say it's very thought-provoking i'm

01:34:15.740 not just like oh tell me what you think so you feel good i'm like i go read commas to try to

01:34:19.200 get angles and links and when i don't when i because usually i can figure something out but

01:34:22.240 when i can't we brainstorm it and and then i want to be challenged that's great radio anyways

01:34:27.800 well but but that's also how you test your own theories operate on the basis that i want tyler

01:34:32.880 robinson to be innocent i have no care one way or the other and i believe that other people were

01:34:37.220 involved if tyler robinson is the one who took the shot or had any involvement but let's just

01:34:41.440 assume i want it to be uh i want tyler hold on a minute when you go back to a minute when you

01:34:45.480 mildly criticize me here and there i've the crew's great but a few of them like you know and i've 0.95

01:34:49.660 even had listeners well that's son of a bitch let's get him not not the crew but other people 0.92

01:34:53.620 and i'm like he mildly criticized me and if he was right this is good i'm a public figure 0.98

01:34:59.700 we're big boys and we need to get to the point where this is normal you're you're a reasonable

01:35:05.960 intellectually honest individual and if you're wrong you will reassess period but the the idea

01:35:11.540 that people say like i'm trying to shut candace up ask all the questions you want and you want

01:35:16.260 people to ask you the questions that's another thing they do that's another thing not just with

01:35:19.180 heard it's all over the place and i love owen but this is part of the reason he quit i would

01:35:24.220 sometimes on air say i saw owen say this yesterday i disagree with it and he would tell me and crew

01:35:28.840 i don't want to be censored like this dude me disagreeing with five percent of what you say

01:35:33.900 we should have more debates than that that's not censoring you for me to have an opinion

01:35:38.620 that's not censoring it's not censoring to say you're wrong and people should know that you're

01:35:44.880 wrong if it's i don't know owen whatever but with with candace but well he was kind of right he was

01:35:49.080 madder at trump earlier than me which i'll concede he was probably actually right on the point the

01:35:53.240 point was me mildly saying don't be pure black billed a lot of goods happening my point was he

01:35:59.000 thought that like but i see with the left they're like if you criticize what they're saying they go

01:36:03.520 oh, you're censoring me.

01:36:04.680 No, that's not censoring.

01:36:05.760 That's called debate.

01:36:06.500 No, it's actually called an invitation to speak up more.

01:36:10.440 But back up to the, you know, if I want it to be Tyler Robinson

01:36:13.700 and I want to prove that he was at the Cowboy Steakhouse,

01:36:16.380 these are the questions I'm going to ask.

01:36:18.060 How do we know that that receipt identifies him?

01:36:20.700 How do you reconcile the waiter saying,

01:36:23.300 I identified Tyler Robinson there and he drank two beers,

01:36:25.640 but there's no beers on the receipt?

01:36:27.840 If you want it to be true, that's when you have to question it the most.

01:36:31.180 Or if you just want to be intellectually rigorous,

01:36:32.800 you question everything all the time but being let me tell you a story let me tell you a story

01:36:36.460 i'm gonna go back to this we grew up on a golf course community on the the lake in you know in

01:36:41.960 dallas in rockwall texas a suburb and i wasn't a bad kid but i was flamboyant and i was like 12

01:36:47.560 years old and i've been in a bunch of big fights even at the country club with older kids and

01:36:50.920 stuff so i was seen as the villain so everybody knew who we were we lived in a big house on the

01:36:54.040 hill and all the rest of it and so we've been to church and gone to the cafeteria and we pull pull

01:36:58.900 in about two o'clock and there are the police and there's the golf course association manager

01:37:04.280 and so we get out of the bronco my mom my dad and me my sister wasn't born yet she came up

01:37:10.000 a few years later and the police are there and they're standing there oh mr jones talked to him

01:37:15.780 and my dad goes over you know in in the in the in the yard and talks to the golf course manager

01:37:21.820 and my dad walks back over there and he starts talking to the cops and then they start talking

01:37:28.480 in front of me, and he's like, Alex, come over here. Alex, did you just rob the boat enclosure?

01:37:32.460 Because they just, this old man had just caught kids robbing the boat enclosure where everybody

01:37:36.140 parks their boats that aren't in the marina. And the old man goes, yep, that's him. I just saw you

01:37:41.500 robbing the boat enclosure in front of the cops. And my dad looks at him, and he says, I got a

01:37:45.660 Luby's receipt right here. We were just at this church. We just stayed here. And then we pulled

01:37:50.520 through and got gas. Here's my gas receipt. And the cops were looking at it, and they go,

01:37:53.780 you want to retract your false report? And the old man goes, no, and runs off. But my point is,

01:37:58.480 that's what receipts are about. And so it's the same thing with the steakhouse. But those old

01:38:03.240 people were like so convinced of it, they didn't want to admit they were wrong. And that's the 1.00

01:38:08.260 example I'm talking about here, where once they accuse somebody, they won't get off of it.

01:38:13.620 Well, it's a question of ego, a question of pride, a question of also, there are a lot of

01:38:19.740 people out there who operate on the basis that others will use an apology or retraction the way

01:38:24.020 they would which is to weaponize it and not actually accept it but just use it as hey you

01:38:28.760 were wrong you're you're permanently discredited whenever i make a mistake i try to make the

01:38:32.920 correction more public than the mistake you know just the nature of the beast is sometimes mistakes

01:38:37.760 go viral and then the correction never gets as much traction i'm lucky that it hasn't been

01:38:41.660 too serious other than you know mistaking a tweet for real and uh making it making a coming to a

01:38:48.140 conclusion that proved to be false well to finish the story i didn't finish it because i'm now

01:38:51.260 remembering it. So the cops after 10 minutes leave. And my dad talks to the old man and his

01:38:57.280 wife and a few of the other golf carts that were there, the old angry committee. And my dad walks

01:39:03.100 back in. He goes, man, I hate that guy. And he goes, well, he said, all right, it wasn't Alex

01:39:07.560 because it was another blonde haired kid and his brother. We later learned how it was because I'm

01:39:11.160 gone. They just robbed it like an hour before. They caught him in there stealing stuff out of

01:39:15.200 the boats, stereos or whatever. The old man goes, we know it wasn't your son. We know we're wrong,

01:39:20.300 but we know he's a crook and we're going to get him i was never stealing stuff okay all i'd done

01:39:25.180 was like beat up some older kid in front of them at the country club they couldn't believe it

01:39:28.220 because it was like one you know their cool kid or whatever knock some kid's teeth out but the

01:39:31.480 point is is that that's how this works once you're once once a narrative is there people are

01:39:36.640 investing in it was my only point no no it's good but this was one of my lessons growing up as my

01:39:40.900 dad when we'd get into trouble i was like i didn't i didn't do it you know i didn't do what you're

01:39:44.420 yelling at me for now he's like well i know you did something else that you got away with so

01:39:47.320 you know it offsets that's exactly what the guy said yeah yeah well it's different when it's your

01:39:53.060 parent versus when it's someone who's trying to we we get that get that point but so the bottom

01:39:57.900 line everybody ask all the questions you want at some point however you also do have to appreciate

01:40:02.960 if you ask dumb and distracting questions you're no longer contributing to a discussion you're

01:40:08.140 distracting from it and then people say who made you the hall monitor nobody i'm i'm we're all 1.00

01:40:13.100 discussing you'll convince me why it's not uh you know a stupid theory that no they've all got 0.76

01:40:18.820 their special investigation committees and i go look and it's like memes and then when we question 0.80

01:40:23.620 they go who are you authorized to even engage in the holy sacrament only joan of arc 2.0 candace

01:40:29.980 and i don't dislike candace but it's like the cult like and that's another question i'm no

01:40:35.920 rocket scientist but i know this she's boosted by youtube boosted by everything we're blocked

01:40:40.700 why is she boosted by the by the big tech i uh would not i don't know if that's true alex i do

01:40:48.040 know what i see and oh it's true it is it is interesting but that being said you can get into

01:40:54.700 what might be an inorganic boost for the purposes of of creating or exacerbating a political divide

01:41:00.260 to the detriment of these united states of america and to the benefit of any of its adversaries

01:41:04.520 we can go down that rabbit these are also things where i make observation i observe things i'm not

01:41:09.940 necessarily comfortable enough to make the broad accusation some people are going to say viva it's

01:41:13.460 it's sour grapes you're not getting as much traction as she is and you know you're you're

01:41:17.740 not grifting as well as she is so you're you're bitter it could be it could be not but uh i've

01:41:22.840 noticed it as well and it's you know it plays into what's going on online i have a sneaking suspicion

01:41:29.220 there's an inorganic movement to embolden the people who are organically believing this and

01:41:35.560 it's sort of the it's the new iteration of mass formation psychosis where you have people who

01:41:40.380 seem to be getting encouragement from organic or inorganic sources well you notice all the big

01:41:45.000 top democrats even national hosts they are they love this infighting they love and i'm not saying

01:41:51.520 no question but i'm saying they're sitting back with popcorn watching this burn down maga which

01:41:56.560 stops which which goes to trump who ordered cash patel to shut down foreign involvement and to

01:42:02.140 shut down domestic involvement so in a way trump deserves it it's just sad to say it well it's

01:42:08.440 terrible to see because ultimately nobody believes what's going on and it allows them to believe

01:42:13.140 whatever on earth they want and however outlandish and conspiratorial it is however many people need

01:42:17.820 to be in on the conspiracy they say well i've lost so much faith in the system you know i'm going to

01:42:22.420 law school type thing but just getting back you know get back to the debate there were some l's

01:42:28.380 for andrew there were some tactical you know stylistic things that he could do what were the

01:42:32.120 wins what were the losses yeah what do you want to say instead of me guiding this there's a lot

01:42:35.220 you have to say well i i didn't i thought it was i thought it was um not inopportune you're never

01:42:40.060 going to win the argument about ballistics so andrew getting in and explaining why he thinks

01:42:43.860 it could have been a bullet and not a microphone these are not these are not discussions that are

01:42:47.820 going to convince anybody because the people making them are not experts and people don't

01:42:51.020 still don't even trust the experts so that was i think not a red herring but a losing uh diverging

01:42:56.800 path to go down in the first place. I don't like the fact that there's a discussion to discuss the

01:43:01.680 overwhelming evidence right now because it's premature and it's judicially and legally

01:43:05.420 inappropriate unless it's just to argue that probable cause has been met and it's going to

01:43:09.100 move to trial and then we'll determine the nature of the so-called overwhelming evidence.

01:43:12.980 But other than that, Candace has been making a business of this day in and day out for the last 0.99

01:43:19.220 11 months with a moving target of different conspiracy theories, a moving target of different

01:43:23.540 individuals who are complicit, who were involved, who had to have done something,

01:43:27.540 has turned it into a debacle that is a travesty to the legacy of Charlie Kirk and might incidentally

01:43:36.140 result in potentially the responsible individuals not being brought to justice.

01:43:41.720 If you constantly are looking to Israel, despite admitting you have zero evidence to substantiate

01:43:47.000 it and not diverting those resources and that attention and those online investigators to the

01:43:52.160 more probable potential conspiracies who was in those discord chats what's up with george and now

01:43:57.520 that that just went away and that's where you might actually for whatever the reason profit

01:44:04.180 you know misguided attention uh misguided sincerity you might result in actually not

01:44:10.040 bringing justice to those who partook in this because charlie kirk was killed and in as much

01:44:16.140 as there's people out there who are pontificating that charlie's still alive that it was all staged

01:44:20.520 it was all cgi everybody on the ground is lying they haven't he's alive and in witness protection

01:44:24.060 you can ask those questions and i can call you absolutely insane for asking them distracting

01:44:29.840 from the discussion and i'm trying by the way let's just stop though let's just stop because

01:44:33.140 people this is really important what you're saying okay and this is a debate a debate about

01:44:38.740 how we don't know what's going on we know there's a cover-up we're both debating the black hole that

01:44:43.040 this is so when i said this is a debate it's a real debate and i and i and i want criticism to

01:44:47.300 try to help me, you know, think more. And when I ask for calls and read people's comments, I get a

01:44:53.320 lot of information from that, and it helps stimulate me. Everybody who's got a brain knows

01:44:59.200 I legitimately want to know the truth. I want to be accurate. I'm neurotic about wanting to

01:45:03.400 get things correct. We have a really good track record to meet some of those accurate people out

01:45:07.020 there. But I mean, that's exactly where we're at now, where we're questioning it, and then the

01:45:13.240 db usa gets mad at us because i'll get calls from db usa and they'll send me texts i don't even

01:45:17.780 respond to it like why are you doing this well this looks like a real avenue i've got to cover 0.51

01:45:21.620 it and then the other side oh my god you're you're you're fed slop with the israelis why are you

01:45:25.640 doing this well no this theory isn't isn't accurate and i'm not claiming i'm the arbiter

01:45:29.740 or the guy that has all the answers but i've got as much right to investigate this as anybody else

01:45:35.160 does and and i don't see a lot of serious work going on i see a lot of people particularly on

01:45:42.080 the Candace side, that it has become a cottage industry. It has become a Charlie Kirk assassination

01:45:46.820 industry. I'm not going to even say her, but everybody else, where they always love the next

01:45:51.000 minutiae and the next serialization of it instead of getting somewhere. And you hit the key.

01:45:56.160 I got multiple calls from people in the cabinet meetings that were really upset

01:46:00.560 about Charlie and about being told to stand down. And later it came out what I said was dead on and

01:46:06.040 Joe Kitt and others confirmed it was declassified. That, yeah, this is true. Trump killed it. 0.91

01:46:10.280 And then they also kill the others. 0.98

01:46:11.680 So no one ever wants to touch that.

01:46:13.780 You do.

01:46:14.420 No one wants to touch all the other pieces that are in this that show there is a cover-up.

01:46:21.840 I notice what gets boosted and what the influencers that are the great patriots do is they go for the sensational, easily debunked stuff that becomes a black hole that gets debunked and they just move on.

01:46:33.720 So when I sit back and I look and I go, whoever really did this, I think it's behind this.

01:46:39.000 It's some of my Army buddies that are still in and pretty high up, let's just say, in psychological operations and some Navy people I know that are pretty smart.

01:46:48.040 Without even them knowing I'm talking to different people, they're all very cynical.

01:46:52.740 They think Owens is in on it.

01:46:54.120 They think this is a big side op.

01:46:55.440 um and and and i would i would never i mean i i know people make that accusation and and it could

01:47:02.320 be an organ i would never make it period and by the way i'm not accusing her of it i'm just asking

01:47:06.700 i'm serious i'm being sarcastic i'm just i don't think that's the case but i'm saying guys that

01:47:10.880 do this all day which i do it organically and i'm probably way better than these guys just saying

01:47:14.860 because i do it like literally 24 7 i'm just saying and the other big group of military

01:47:20.400 delta force army rangers green berets navy seal seal team six i mean you even saw the guy that

01:47:27.320 reportedly killed bin laden most respected seal nobody's saying o'neill in the badass o'neill

01:47:31.280 thinks it's a cover-up and and a bunch of those guys a bunch of those guys behind the seat

01:47:35.980 the only reason o'neill thinks it's a cover-up is because he's repeating candace talking points

01:47:40.500 without even thinking them through and the ultimate irony no he knows a 30-odd six goes

01:47:45.340 through your neck he knows you don't slap a telescopic soap on and have it well i mean it

01:47:49.740 It doesn't go through your neck unless you're Martin Luther King, and then your jawbone can stop it, but not a spine bone, not a spinal cord.

01:47:58.320 But even though his statements were very wishy-washy, it was just repeating the same Candace talking points, even referencing Candace in this.

01:48:04.800 And the ultimate irony in all of this is the people who are just asking questions.

01:48:08.920 Well, my goodness, it takes $300,000 to get them to the table to have a discussion.

01:48:12.780 Well, I will say, let's do that now.

01:48:16.020 Maybe you know, because I don't know.

01:48:17.300 why is i'm not saying money you got to pay crew and stuff but pay people to fly there what was

01:48:22.760 this about cash purses and who wins and how do you decide and well what was that i well i don't know

01:48:28.560 look i know that owens or not owens um sorry andrew wilson in order to see his name i get

01:48:33.800 mixed up because it's owen wilson the actor and you got candace owens and andrew wilson it's okay

01:48:38.280 um uh wilson offered the 300 000 i don't know if it was as a a joke or whatever to entice the

01:48:44.320 debate and you know she counted with 500,000 and then he counted with a million and he'll get to

01:48:48.100 keep half and then they ended up at 300,000 I don't know if he's if she's actually going to

01:48:52.000 take the money I don't know if he's you know I don't know any of that I don't know if even if

01:48:55.880 she gets the money if she's going to donate it to a worthwhile cause or or or keep it well Mitch

01:49:00.440 Snow got like 200 and some thousand but it is the bottom I mean look just what I find curious is

01:49:07.780 that I've invited Ian Carroll has been on my show back in the day and has not come back on since

01:49:13.420 I have an open invitation.

01:49:14.840 I have an open invitation to Candace, 1.00

01:49:16.860 but then people say, Viva, you're a grifter. 1.00

01:49:19.020 She doesn't need to platform you.

01:49:20.340 I was like, oh, okay.

01:49:21.200 So I'm the grifter for wanting to have the discussion with Candace,

01:49:24.260 and she's not the grifter for saying I'm below her standards

01:49:27.340 and threshold of following.

01:49:30.400 But the people who make these statements are very reluctant

01:49:32.880 or seemingly don't go to any adversarial individual.

01:49:37.140 I love how she said to Andrew, they won't send me a TPSA.

01:49:40.760 They send another influencer.

01:49:43.040 like insulting her very genre, which, by the way, you know that comes from the Greek philosophers.

01:49:48.560 An influencer didn't use real facts.

01:49:50.740 They just used rhetoric.

01:49:51.540 I am not an influencer.

01:49:52.980 I am a patriot.

01:49:54.220 I'm a truth seeker.

01:49:55.540 I have a journalist hat, a pundit hat, a comedy hat, but it's all about truth.

01:49:59.460 I reject the term influencer.

01:50:01.840 People don't know what it means.

01:50:03.460 Stop using it.

01:50:06.020 I don't take it as an insult when people say it, but I humorously retort.

01:50:09.960 I'm an analyst.

01:50:10.640 what i'm saying is i agree the antecedent of it the progeneration of it is bad is what i'm saying

01:50:16.100 yeah no well for sure because the idea is i'm an analyst commentator if my analysis or comments

01:50:22.080 carry influence it's because of the quality of the thought and and the analysis itself which is why

01:50:26.660 you know exactly it's the accuracy of the payload that has the influence whereas under greek an

01:50:32.040 influencer does it with flimflam with trickery more like you know manipulation as opposed to

01:50:37.680 convincing well well that's what the guy debating can it's all about puffery and acting like you

01:50:42.680 want look yeah but meanwhile he got he got the admissions out there which i was just shocked

01:50:47.140 were so easily um provided that at the end of the day she's got zero concrete evidence and you say

01:50:54.340 call it positive evidence of israel's involvement even though hypothetically theoretically it's more

01:50:59.000 than possible there's just zero evidence to substantiate it despite literally having built

01:51:03.780 the movement on this the fact that every time i say something seemingly uh you know not supporting

01:51:09.580 a narrative but criticizing candace or challenging her uh assertions i get called a zionist it's the 0.89

01:51:16.540 excuse that people need to stop thinking and stop addressing the substance oh it's a retarded way to 0.78

01:51:21.320 change the subject like the war conspiracy theory existed in a few literary areas but it was came 1.00

01:51:26.300 out in the frank church committee hearings so i saw candace attacked by fact checkers that the

01:51:30.060 first time it said in 1886 or whatever no it was declassified in 75 the frank insurance committee

01:51:34.740 that they had all these jfk questions and they had jim garrison and all the stuff coming out so

01:51:39.420 they said set call it a conspiracy terrorist don't engage in the debate because we can't win the

01:51:44.600 debate so it was popularized by the cia and and and and and so that's definitely what's going on

01:51:50.760 for sure but the coming out and the reflex from the people just asking the questions are to call

01:51:56.900 everybody a zionist or a fed sloper it's like calling you a conspiracy theorist yeah well but

01:52:03.040 also it's it's the result of 10 months of unsubstantiated blaming of a country and now 0.90

01:52:07.880 when anyone's challenged on why they believe that the reflex the reflex is you work for that country

01:52:14.020 i mean i make the joke i don't do memes good but you know tyler robinson could come out and

01:52:18.440 admit to everything and then they're going to say the zionist got to you uh you know and by the way

01:52:23.620 instantly for what it's worth even if you were to come out and admit to everything i would need to

01:52:26.880 see him make statements of knowledge that only he would have and only he could prove in order to

01:52:31.600 know that it's a legit confession and not one that has been coerced to spare his life. But it's where

01:52:37.780 we're at in terms of the level of thought and critical thought. The people asking the questions,

01:52:43.820 the second they get asked a question or challenged in their assertions, everyone becomes a Zionist

01:52:48.080 fed slopper gobbling the official narrative, which by and large is never the case. But it

01:52:52.760 just it absolves them of having to substantiate their outlandish theories and it's not how

01:52:57.880 discussion happens it's actually how you don't get to the truth if that's truly what you wanted

01:53:02.840 and how potentially people who may have been involved in this are going to get off because

01:53:08.680 everybody's been whipped up into you know believing it was a foreign nation in the absence of any

01:53:13.700 concrete shred of evidence but that's the takeaway from the debate well let me raise this though go

01:53:18.460 Go ahead and make your point on that, but I don't want to ask you because you covered it.

01:53:21.460 Go ahead.

01:53:21.900 As far as everybody goes, the overwhelming nature of the evidence,

01:53:24.800 you deal with the evidence we have right now for the legal thresholds that we have right now

01:53:27.660 and wait for the trial.

01:53:29.140 A lot of wild things can happen at trial, and if it comes out that some of the evidence has been fabricated

01:53:34.380 and it wasn't brought up at the preliminary hearing to challenge when faced with probable cause,

01:53:39.940 we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

01:53:41.360 Well, what do you make of them saying they can't match the bullet

01:53:44.220 and then finding a 5.56 bullet on the roof?

01:53:47.580 i mean that is wild well the bullet i mean look that's another one where you said like okay how

01:53:52.660 on earth did a bullet get there i've listened to a number of people who i consider to be if not 0.96

01:53:56.620 smarter than me at least more experienced than me and they say look stupid things happen in 0.90

01:54:00.940 investigations cops dropped guns you got michael bird the guy who shot ashley babbitt left his gun 0.98

01:54:06.320 in a bathroom so the idea that a cop dropped a bullet on a roof oh it wasn't the other roof so

01:54:11.000 why would he have been there look stupid things happen in investigations the not matching the

01:54:16.200 bullet to the rifle you know from my understanding not an expert but i've i've i've listened to what 0.95

01:54:21.480 smarter people have to say is more often than not in the in the you know in these types of cases

01:54:26.260 now 30-06 doesn't break up very often i don't bother well it was it was you know we now know

01:54:32.360 it was a remington core lock which apparently is a very low quality uh ammunition that has the

01:54:38.620 tendency to break up and then you know it was supposed to mushroom but not fragment again if

01:54:44.340 the argument is going to be someone else took a shot from a different location or it was someone

01:54:48.980 else with a different gun from the same location fine i'll wait for that evidence before entertaining

01:54:53.800 the theory uh but to simply come out and say now i you know i don't believe anything so i'm going

01:54:59.280 with an exploding microphone you know it's not it's not logical it's actually well i know this

01:55:04.040 i know this and i agree with you overall this goes back to the trump cover-up with with cash

01:55:10.340 That's why everybody's asked these questions.

01:55:12.580 But is it this emblematic of the fact that nobody trusts the system?

01:55:17.080 And you can say who won.

01:55:18.480 I think at the end of the day, you're right and I'm both right.

01:55:20.760 And I'm not just putting the baby here.

01:55:21.860 I really, once I said she won the debate, once I saw what you said and others, I thought about it a lot today.

01:55:26.160 And I thought, really, everybody is already in their camp, or 90% of people, where they either believe, you know, that it was a cover-up and it wasn't the trans people and it was Israel or they believe the official story.

01:55:38.240 And both sides just want us to cover whatever the orthodoxy is.

01:55:42.020 And you and I are that weird 10 percent that really realize clearly we don't know the truth here and are trying to investigate.

01:55:49.020 And all these other groups have already made up their mind.

01:55:51.240 They just take whatever confirms their normalcy bias.

01:55:54.840 And so that's why we're in this position of being attacked universally, because we are the only people actually investigating.

01:56:00.380 And I'm not like saying, aren't we great?

01:56:01.840 But I watch your show.

01:56:02.780 I know what I think.

01:56:03.840 I don't know.

01:56:04.460 This is this is I can figure stuff out.

01:56:06.600 i have not figured this out yet i'm trying to figure stuff out and then i'm the bad guy

01:56:10.520 well you know it's like they say when you when you walk in the middle of traffic you get hit

01:56:14.400 from both sides and i'm not it's not a question of walking in the middle of traffic like fence

01:56:18.160 sitting i i would entertain anything for which there's the slightest shred of evidence but when

01:56:23.060 you say when someone says israel did it i'm like okay what's the slightest bit of positive evidence

01:56:28.120 that you have other than a narrative that you can write into a john grisham novel well they say well

01:56:34.020 I'm not on the inside. I would never have access to that stuff. And Israel's so good at it. They

01:56:37.880 never leave any evidence. I'm like, congrats. That's an unfalsifiable premise that is based

01:56:43.540 on the absence. By the way, Israel has been caught a bunch of times in assassination. So

01:56:47.620 is Saudi Arabia. So have we, there's all, we, we criticize Israel. We have so much real stuff

01:56:53.500 Israel's doing. I spent an hour before you came on going, look at this unprecedented terrorism, 0.98

01:56:58.740 them evil but like there's no logic there like here i am exposing israel but then because i'm 0.96

01:57:04.920 not 100 sure they did it i work for israel you know and not like i don't i don't make it my

01:57:09.840 brand to criticize israel but i've been skeptical of how october 7 could have ever happened let

01:57:15.040 alone at the degree to which it happened skeptical and critical of the response which

01:57:19.000 two years three years later is going to confirm all of the conspiracy theories that people had

01:57:23.000 at the time of it being a lee hop so that they can go and decimate gaza and expand their borders 0.92

01:57:28.120 I've been wildly critical of the debacle of the Epstein rollout. 1.00

01:57:33.340 I've been critical of Israel in terms of how they acted during COVID 0.93

01:57:36.160 and basically testing the Pfizer shot on their entire population. 0.72

01:57:39.560 But the second I say, what's your evidence for Israel being behind this, 0.59

01:57:42.520 I become a Zionist shill on the $7,000 shekel payment. 0.75

01:57:46.260 I mean, that's another one. 0.68

01:57:47.380 Anybody uses these terms, understand you are the new NPC.

01:57:51.260 You've had the chip put in your, you know.

01:57:53.180 Meanwhile, the Israel lobby claims you're on Qatari money

01:57:56.280 if you criticize them that well that that it is true and i'm sensitive to this as well that you

01:58:01.960 get the bots on both ends and i'm i have no doubt buckley carlson gets the you're an anti-semite

01:58:07.140 bot i mean i get them also sometimes sorry to me to shout i get them also i get a response saying

01:58:12.220 i'm an anti-semite on team candace and it's clearly a bot because they don't even understand

01:58:17.040 the context of the discussion accusing me of being on team candace so by the way you're not

01:58:21.180 being too loud give us a war growl viva fry come on i can't do let me see your war face

01:58:31.240 that's not scary work on it let me see your war face show me i'll work on it

01:58:39.440 i'm not i'm not give me a war face i can't do that

01:58:43.680 just let me see your war face let me see it viva now ah ah come on no no i can't do it i can't plus

01:58:54.360 i don't know if i have food in my teeth um but i'll come on the bottom of me for once in your

01:58:58.040 life go yeah how loud is it gonna get now you're you said you don't want to be loud please that

01:59:04.940 was good oh god i missed do it again okay now bring it back to the beginning we're not going

01:59:10.800 to convince 90% of the people. There is zero people watching that debate or who watched it

01:59:15.900 who are on Andrew Wilson's side that could have conceivably been convinced by Candace Owens.

01:59:21.500 I like to think maybe there's a 10% somewhere in the middle who understood that Candace,

01:59:26.900 for all of her bluster over the last 10 months, did not substantiate her accusations. They might

01:59:32.480 still think that there's not overwhelming evidence. I like to think there's 10% of the

01:59:36.400 people who are going to at least now say yeah and as this pans out over time and as more stuff

01:59:42.040 becomes debunked you know it goes down the it goes down on the uh the filing as egyptian planes

01:59:47.340 utc uh trap doors exploding mics panguage receipts one thing that i'm predicting don't forget them

01:59:54.820 french foreign legion also that image the still image of of the muscular guy who doesn't look

02:00:00.720 like tyler robinson i'm like yeah that doesn't look like tyler robinson and i will i mean

02:00:06.120 guarantee you that something was modified either in that picture or in the video from which that

02:00:11.760 that photo was drawn but this is the thing that picture doesn't look like Tyler Robinson I want

02:00:17.540 to make sure that that photograph is authentic when that photo or that still cannot be drawn

02:00:22.600 from the surveillance video without you know requiring some modification you got to come to

02:00:27.320 the conclusion that either that photo was modified somewhere down the line or the original video was

02:00:33.280 modified and where does the candace crowd go uh the surveillance footage that was submitted to court

02:00:37.960 was the one that was modified because when do you ever see compact cars you know mushed up cars like

02:00:42.300 that not understanding the nature of surveillance videos and the correction that was done in order

02:00:47.660 to extract that image to make the cars look proportionate and not understanding what was

02:00:52.800 likely done to that image in its enhancement in its modification to just make it look a little

02:00:58.920 bit not like tyler robinson meanwhile while we're all watching the charlie kirk hannis owens uh

02:01:04.840 reality show the data centers are going in the wars are continuing my issue is what percentage

02:01:10.320 of the time so i think on the internet now when it comes to waking up and exposing the globalist

02:01:14.120 half our time has been on charlie kirk and i think he's important i think we should spend some time

02:01:18.040 should it be should it be 99 of the time spent or is that kind of a cover about 100 of the time

02:01:23.080 should be spent on this nothing else well and i get accused of of obsessing over this and

02:01:28.740 fixating on it first of all i don't i i know what my respective focus is on on my live shows you

02:01:34.060 know daily at three in the sunday show yeah whether or not i spend a lot of time on this on x

02:01:38.300 only the requisite amount of time to deal with it and address the disinformation in real time

02:01:42.860 and address the legalities in real time i try to talk about this people are going to laugh as little

02:01:48.000 as possible i did a show on it yesterday because they had the debate and by other than that i try

02:01:52.580 to stick to the other stuff even if i don't find it quite as interesting and even if i'm not so

02:01:56.040 and meshed in but you're right i mean this is at least from the online community the majority of

02:02:01.900 the discussion and it's almost like we've we stopped talking about the war in iran because

02:02:05.900 it's been you know one and and back on so many times i've had people i see people on x all over

02:02:11.780 going why are you covering up charlie's murder covering iran well because iran can get us all

02:02:16.460 killed it's already killing the economy no but well first of all you're going to get that no

02:02:20.340 matter what you do it's you're spending too much time on charlie kirk you're not spending enough

02:02:23.620 time on charlie kirk i mean it's the nature of the beast when you reach however many millions

02:02:26.700 of people you reach and however you know whatever reach i have is people are gonna say too much time

02:02:30.840 not enough time why didn't you say this you said too much of this and you know literally they'll

02:02:35.100 have arguments with themselves and their own imaginings of what you're doing but no i look i

02:02:38.500 try to i try to keep up with what's going on in canada however uninteresting it is because people

02:02:43.240 are like this is what we want to talk about right now i'm not going to brand myself or my you know

02:02:48.080 my analysis on this charlie kirk stuff the way others have literally made it their industry over

02:02:52.640 the last year but i'm not going to sit back what do you predict gut level it's not a prediction but

02:02:56.860 how do you feel to use her term how do you feel it's going to end up for candace owens

02:03:00.380 uh not a question of feeling i the prediction is going to be at some point the chickens are

02:03:05.800 going to come home to roost people are going to understand it others are going to be too far down

02:03:09.880 the manipulation uh rabbit hole to admit that they were you know manipulated and they'll cloak

02:03:16.260 it in i was just trying to get at the truth it's normal yada yada the easiest person to lie to is

02:03:20.660 yourself. So I mean, I think there's going to be a number of people who are going to realize that

02:03:26.220 maybe they got too far into it. I have a, you know, a deep optimistic desire that Candace Owens

02:03:32.600 is going to look back at this and say, yeah, I got I got a little too righteously involved. And

02:03:37.100 what I did was not fair to the people involved. I mean, I would imagine hope at some point in time

02:03:42.440 going back and saying, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have accused Erica Kirk of child trafficking

02:03:46.580 from an orphanage in Romania. I'm not sure if Candace made that specific allegation,

02:03:50.360 but that was one of the well she definitely fanned it well i say maybe at some point she'll

02:03:55.780 look back and say i that that 12 part miniseries the bride of charlie was not something i should

02:04:00.620 have done to the woman that the man i say i cared about loved like maybe i should have done that to

02:04:04.680 my murdered best friend terrorize his wife maybe i should maybe i regret some of it um i think

02:04:11.000 there's going to be a lot of that at the end of the day but at the end of the day also if it

02:04:14.800 continues the way it's continuing now, I will proudly rest my hat on my track record in terms 0.92

02:04:20.780 of asking questions and calling out the bullshit when it happens and being critical when it happens

02:04:26.500 versus having made a series of mistakes that might've been popular with my audience, but not 0.77

02:04:32.580 good for my integrity and not good for my soul. So that's where I think it's going to go.

02:04:36.760 The truth will come out sooner than later. And it's only going to be a question of whether or

02:04:40.940 people say she was deliberately lying it was sort of she believed it opportunistic or you know

02:04:46.000 whatever the alternatives are one thing i don't support and never have not with you not with

02:04:50.740 others is using lawfare to criminalize speech uh you know and i i don't know that she's there yet

02:04:57.240 i i still well let's raise it i think you're going to sandy hook so you covered i'm actually

02:05:01.880 i'm going to mackin with with with candace like i i've been defending candace in the context of

02:05:07.040 that defamation lawsuit, because, A, I, you know, I...

02:05:09.760 So stop.

02:05:10.680 A lot of people aren't up on this.

02:05:13.120 This is our final topic here, and I appreciate your time.

02:05:15.560 Let's unpack that, because you early on looked at Sandy Hook,

02:05:18.780 said I was being set up, clearly was, showed trials,

02:05:21.020 already found guilty, all the rest of it.

02:05:22.920 And that makes me kind of prejudiced not to trust the courts

02:05:25.020 is what I went through there, but I've seen some courts,

02:05:27.120 you know, aren't corrupt.

02:05:28.260 We've had some courts rule in our favor, but I've witnessed it.

02:05:32.060 But clearly they've tried to make the parallel,

02:05:34.740 which you commented on, they took out of context.

02:05:36.260 I saw the full context and actually agree with you that I was saying in general, once you've seen so many lies, then everything seems like a lie.

02:05:42.440 It's like a group psychosis.

02:05:43.780 I wasn't saying I had psychosis.

02:05:45.460 You were quoting me, and then they said you're saying I have psychosis.

02:05:48.240 I get what you were saying.

02:05:49.460 I think it was legitimate.

02:05:50.960 What I'm getting at here is that they're saying, oh, we're going to get Candace like we got Alex Jones for what he did.

02:05:59.480 Nobody peed on graves.

02:06:00.720 Nobody harassed these people.

02:06:02.380 None of what they said was true about me.

02:06:04.160 And I'm not attacking her.

02:06:05.880 I'm just saying, comparing me to Candace with what she said,

02:06:08.960 which I believe she has first been the right to do,

02:06:10.820 is orders of magnitude more than what I ever did on record.

02:06:15.460 I mean, Harrison Smith did the famous thing where he looked at from the time

02:06:18.080 of Sandy Hook till the time that Hillary loses,

02:06:21.220 there's no news articles about me and Sandy Hook in a Google search.

02:06:24.180 Zero, because it wasn't my thing.

02:06:26.280 I barely even talked about it.

02:06:27.500 I covered a few times the internet not believing it.

02:06:29.760 But then they latched on to me, latched on to Trump,

02:06:32.180 made it this huge thing, raised all this money off of it.

02:06:34.020 With Candace, there is a legitimate compendium of this.

02:06:37.940 I don't want them to set an anti-free speech deal with her, but if they could get judges to rig trials against me, as I told her the last time she was on a year ago when they first filed suit on her to the Macrons, I said, you got serious issues if you think you're going to get justice out of the courts.

02:06:52.200 But just them comparing what I supposedly did versus what she's done, how do those two things being compared come together in your mind?

02:07:00.120 Well, I mean, that was the argument as to why I'm out in left field suggesting that Candace has the slightest chance in her Brigitte Macron case, because you're going to get in front of an activist judge or an activist jury.

02:07:10.040 And, you know, they'll find you guilty whether or not you are or at least liable in the case of defamation.

02:07:16.700 When it's come to, like, some of the things that Candace has said, actionable.

02:07:20.740 No, suggesting people are complicit in murder is under the law.

02:07:27.040 Some will say it's defamation per se.

02:07:29.100 When you're accusing someone of murder or being an accessory to murder, these are defamatory statements.

02:07:36.560 There's defamation laws. 1.00

02:07:38.280 I don't think Candace should get sued for what she's doing. 1.00

02:07:42.360 I still think it's wildly immoral and just ultimately factually incorrect and destructive. 0.98

02:07:48.020 But what people are suggesting is that they're going to try to use lawfare to shut Candace up, incidentally,

02:07:54.120 and that's going to be the evidence as to how true what she's saying is.

02:07:57.040 Which is also the other reason for which I, you know, even tactically, even if you think that she should get sued, you don't want it because you know exactly what's going to happen.

02:08:04.660 They're going to use the fact that she's getting sued to say that's how right she is and that's how you know that the others are involved.

02:08:09.980 That being said, I don't know that anyone at TPUSA or Erica Kirk has threatened to sue her yet, certainly not to bankrupt her.

02:08:16.800 But there are more than one lesson to learn from any one of these incidents. 0.97

02:08:21.560 And Sandy Hook, my underlying theory all along is that it was co-opted or weaponized to get you to say something stupid that they would ultimately then use as the basis to employ lawfare to bankrupt you and shut you up. 0.97

02:08:37.680 That was always their goal. 0.98

02:08:38.840 And it didn't matter how they got there.

02:08:40.280 That was one of the mechanisms through which they got there. 0.99

02:08:42.620 Have some insiders plant some stupid idea that they get you to repeat and they say, ha, we got him now. 0.99

02:08:47.720 Now we can go after him. 0.99

02:08:48.780 When it comes to Candace, it wouldn't be hard to think that people want Candace to get out there and get people to believe insanity so that it makes it harder to get to the truth. 0.99

02:08:58.960 Or if someone is malicious and wants to find an excuse, plant a theory and get Candace to repeat it so that she can get sued.

02:09:06.560 But the bottom line is she should not be sued into silence, nor is she being for that matter.

02:09:12.200 I think she's got a good argument in the Matt Collin case, but I'm told, you know, she's dead to rights.

02:09:16.440 I don't think she is.

02:09:17.200 i don't think anybody hears that and thinks that she's making statements of fact but rather

02:09:21.060 putting out her own theories and and you know conspiracy theories um but it's not also fair

02:09:27.780 to say you're trying to get her sued now to shut her up so you guys should stop uh you know

02:09:32.500 challenging her on what she says because that just that emboldens them but so the bottom line 0.81

02:09:37.160 i don't think candace should get sued for what she's saying right now though she is legally

02:09:41.700 you know walking pretty close if she's sure what i'm saying is i don't like what i did compared to

02:09:48.040 her do you agree it is not attacking her but i'm saying compared to what they claim i did she's

02:09:52.940 like light years further if one wanted to go down that someone's going to say viva's now saying she

02:09:58.080 deserves it more than alex did you never deserved it period i don't like the idea of using it

02:10:02.960 against candace but for what you said i just don't like what she's done i'm not even saying

02:10:06.820 she's bad i'm saying what she's done is not what i did so me being compared to that's not right

02:10:11.880 here's a quick clip we're going to end this here in a minute but clearly this was a setup because

02:10:15.800 it was later admitted megan kelly because they never had me saying what they wanted came to

02:10:20.380 interview me to get the statute of limitations opened up so they could sue me with the sandy

02:10:25.740 hook but still i didn't do it so owen reading a zero hedge article questioning a father when the

02:10:31.720 police said they never saw the dead bodies saying they saw the dead bodies was how i was sued and

02:10:35.980 Now they opened up the suit and then found me guilty before I even had a trial.

02:10:39.200 So clearly, I think this clip here is accurate.

02:10:41.860 The pre-planning question to create a lawsuit.

02:10:44.920 And here's a clip of him trying to get her to clearly state this.

02:10:50.640 I think to open it up, here it is.

02:10:53.080 One thing, though, that I am, I want to just directly ask you is,

02:10:57.100 do you actually believe that anybody in TPUSA or Erica Kirk or Erica actually participated,

02:11:05.100 had foreknowledge of, or facilitated the murder of Charlie Kirk?

02:11:09.820 I'm not going to get myself into a legal pickle here.

02:11:13.400 Everything I've said is on my podcast.

02:11:15.700 How would that get you in a legal pickle?

02:11:16.800 I think firmly that if I was the investigating officers,

02:11:22.100 I would seat them all, and I would ask questions.

02:11:25.060 I would, at this space.

02:11:27.360 So what do you mean by that?

02:11:29.180 Well, I mean, first of all, the follow-up question from Andrew was,

02:11:32.240 how do you know that they didn't do that?

02:11:33.600 because, you know, my understanding is they did talk to them

02:11:35.940 and it's not like they found text messages on Erica's phone

02:11:38.000 trying to hire a hitman through Tyler Robinson to kill Charlie Kirk.

02:11:42.440 It seems, I mean, look, she doesn't want to say it for fear of being sued,

02:11:46.940 but it's already out there in her 10 months of coverage of this

02:11:49.700 and you've pulled some of the clips.

02:11:52.520 Look, she probably believes it and doesn't want to say it so clearly 0.96

02:11:56.940 because it might lead to a lawsuit.

02:11:58.480 But the very big distinction, Alex, is anybody who can assess things accurately would say what she has said and done on a comparative basis, not that it would justify the lawfare, is on a scale of multiple factors worse than what you said.

02:12:14.840 Anything you said, especially the amount of time you dedicated to it, which I think was like 19 minutes over seven or eight years.

02:12:21.680 Someone might want to say, why hasn't Candace been sued into oblivion to shut her up?

02:12:26.580 And the easy answer is what you were doing, Alex, was influencing people against the system. 0.62

02:12:32.360 And what Candace is doing right now is creating internal fighting that the system loves.

02:12:36.540 So why would you ever want to shut her up for what she's doing sincerely or maliciously when it's benefiting whatever system there is in terms of causing the infighting among the conservatives and the political chaos that that's causing?

02:12:49.580 So the fact that they went after you was a sign of your effectiveness in a way that they found unpleasant.

02:12:54.820 And the fact that nobody's gone after her yet, and I don't think they will, but who knows, except for Brigitte Macron, might be because, A, she's not as effective, or she is effective, but for means that they want to allow to keep going for the political destruction that it is bringing to the conservative side right now.

02:13:11.740 But no, the reality, it's true. Some of the things that she has suggested are exponentially, I would say, even if they're comparatively equally as bad, so much worse in terms of frequency and duration.

02:13:25.420 And you apologized and retracted all of it. You weren't allowed to mention that at the trial.

02:13:30.980 And thus far, there has not been apologies, retractions, corrections or any form of erratum.

02:13:35.520 and those were before they sued me because i figured it out so i apologize to stuff i didn't

02:13:39.920 do because the lawyers are like do it the law says do this and it meant nothing and i was trying to

02:13:45.100 defuse it i thought it was just demonized trump saying i did all these horrible things i didn't

02:13:48.460 get it was part of a larger plan all right how do people find your show very interesting discussion

02:13:52.080 debate people fry thank you first of all thank you for everybody understand adults can disagree

02:13:57.480 with each other without disagreeing with each other there's a difference between saying someone

02:14:02.000 is wrong versus someone is wrong you'll understand it when you think about it afterwards um i'm on

02:14:06.620 xv viva fry uh rumble daily three o'clock viva fry and uh viva barnes law dot locals dot com

02:14:14.660 with robert barnes we've got our awesome community there and uh that's where you can find me put in

02:14:18.380 viva fry you'll find all of it i got a hot sauce coming out uh too as well uh it's on king of

02:14:23.560 built on i'm quite a snob on hot sauce but i'm an expert on it so we'll see candace did say i'm

02:14:28.980 I'm sending you something, Alex.

02:14:30.560 Candace did say one thing about, I can give you the facts,

02:14:32.740 but I don't know if you're smart enough to understand them.

02:14:34.000 I forget the exact quote, but I thought it was.

02:14:36.080 Yeah, so I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

02:14:38.320 Ha ha, we've all heard that cliche.

02:14:40.160 Yeah.

02:14:41.220 Let me explain something to you.

02:14:42.520 If you haven't tied the receipt to Tyler Robinson,

02:14:46.280 you have no business saying it's in your timeline,

02:14:48.820 and it's an evidence that Tyler Robinson couldn't have made it

02:14:51.280 to Orem for the text message.

02:14:52.680 That's not rocket science.

02:14:54.000 Well, wait, I don't think Candace is wrong.

02:14:56.480 I want to see, she said, the Egyptian plane debunking was debunked.

02:14:59.880 I believe her.

02:15:00.900 I want to see that proof she said six months ago.

02:15:04.580 I mean, don't you want her to release the Egyptian plane proof?

02:15:08.200 Well, I asked her if she even still believes that the Egyptian planes carry the key to the Charlie Kirk assassination.

02:15:13.940 And it was like, did you watch the episode?

02:15:15.520 Go watch the episode.

02:15:16.480 It all makes sense.

02:15:17.140 Yeah, in order for us to comment and hold her to account, we've got to watch every single one of the last episodes over the last year.

02:15:24.660 and we get called the grifters in all of this.

02:15:26.940 It's unfortunate, but at the end of the day,

02:15:30.580 vindication is worth more than compensation, as I say.

02:15:34.060 And those of us who have been asking the righteous questions 0.96

02:15:36.740 and calling out the bullshit on both ends 0.93

02:15:38.620 will be vindicated sooner than later. 0.99

02:15:41.240 No, I mean, I agree with that.

02:15:42.420 That's all I'm trying to do.

02:15:43.380 All right, Vibhafra, thanks so much.

02:15:45.260 Thank you very much.

02:15:46.640 All right, great job with the crew today.

02:15:48.400 And I know we had some hiccups.

02:15:49.760 It happens like once a year, twice a year with the streams,

02:15:52.460 but don't worry if you missed any of it.

02:15:54.000 And we're going to take the first 45 minutes before the stuff messed up.

02:15:57.220 We're going to put it on the rest of this.

02:15:58.520 It was live right now.

02:15:59.500 We're still live right now at 304 Central.

02:16:01.720 And we'll have that out for you on X and Rumble and at AlexJonesLive.com

02:16:05.840 so you can share it.

02:16:07.100 But I've spent my time now on the Charlie Kirk thing.

02:16:12.860 I don't see any restitution to it.

02:16:14.680 I'm pretty smart, and I can't figure it out.

02:16:16.560 I know there's a cover-up, and it's bad.

02:16:20.140 And so much of what people are saying is the proof of what happened.

02:16:23.460 you follow that that's not true the official story is not true there is a cover-up and it's

02:16:29.020 it's a black hole folks it's a very bad black hole but we're like miles to flame we'll give

02:16:35.760 you what you want plus i mean i'm i'm i focus on it too but i feel really guilty when i do because

02:16:40.600 there's no restitution in this i i i don't think anything no one's ever going to agree

02:16:45.220 people are basically in their two camps i'm still searching for what the truth is and i'm trying to

02:16:50.660 figure it out. But I think that Alex Stein had a really good point that he made about the real

02:16:58.620 loser in all of this is Charlie Kirk. So we'll end with this, and then we'll run a few promos

02:17:04.220 while they're going to have to grab the first 45 minutes, you know, that we have the recording when

02:17:09.900 it was all choppy streaming, so we can sandwich that into the rest of this, so we can restream

02:17:14.520 it for any of you that want to see it and want to witness it. But I know this, Israel's openly 0.52

02:17:19.820 trying to take over our Pentagon and our intelligence. They got catapults firebombing 0.87

02:17:24.840 Lebanon. Trump said stop it 40 hours ago since they launched the biggest attack. They've cut the 0.98

02:17:29.180 energy and the water off the Christians that are killing them. Even Huckabee says it's 0.96

02:17:33.100 unprecedented terrorism. I don't have a hard-on for Israel, but I'm done doing that proviso.

02:17:38.500 Israel is acting psychotic and evil, and it's wrong, and that's the first 45 minutes really 0.94

02:17:45.260 powerful information. I mean, this is crazy. So as soon as that restream grows and as soon as they 1.00

02:17:51.560 got that together, as soon as that's posted to X, get that because this is crazy. And even if you're

02:17:56.840 like super pro Israel, which I don't want to blow up Israel, I'm not against Israel. What Israel's 0.85

02:18:00.660 doing is turning the world against it and is some type of sophisticated setup. So I want to close 1.00

02:18:06.120 out with Alex Stein talking about who the real loser is in all this, and that's Charlie Kirk.

02:18:11.460 and then I'll be back tomorrow night

02:18:13.960 4 p.m. Central right here

02:18:16.060 at the Alex Jones Network, AlexShonesLive.com

02:18:17.840 Great job the crew, God bless you all

02:18:19.360 True loser of this debate was Charlie

02:18:22.020 Charlie lost in this debate

02:18:23.660 Watching this debate

02:18:25.220 the only thing that I can deduce

02:18:27.680 is that Andrew Wilson

02:18:29.980 was not the winner, Candace Owens

02:18:32.320 was not the winner, and the true

02:18:34.240 loser of this debate was Charlie

02:18:35.700 Charlie lost in this debate 0.95

02:18:37.340 because we lost an American hero

02:18:39.820 we lost a future president

02:18:41.120 and he knew that he was in the crosshairs not metaphorically but literally and i just hope that

02:18:48.960 we do get justice and i hope that everything comes to light and i'm we want to have a positive

02:18:54.340 outlook like that's going to happen but i've lost a lot of faith in the system and i don't know if

02:19:01.080 this debate really changes the narrative whatsoever it's just people are going to believe whatever

02:19:06.500 they believe before they watch it and probably just going to confirm their biases so we lost

02:19:10.520 an American hero. It makes me incredibly sad to think that Charlie basically predicted his death

02:19:15.060 and the only person that lost this debate was Charlie. He's the glue that was keeping the

02:19:20.780 conservative party together and I don't think we'll ever be the same. I want to be remembered

02:19:26.840 for courage for my faith. That would be the most important thing. The most important thing is my

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02:20:18.620 Get a hold of yourself, Pumpkin Jugs. 0.92

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02:20:24.540 And the blood of the fallen rise 1.00

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02:21:06.580 No, I can't even read.

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The Alex Jones Show Live - August 15, 2026

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