The Alex Jones Show Live - 🚨THIS WILL HAVE MAJOR CONSEQUENCES： TRUMP APPEARS TO BE DESCENDING INTO OPEN INSANITY!

00:00:00.000 There is consequence to the things that Trump is doing now that he's never experienced before.

00:00:04.920 So, again, over 10 years, 12 years now of being president and being in the center of the political universe, Trump has never had a consequence for the things that he says.

00:00:17.420 He's never had consequence for the off-the-cuff remarks.

00:00:20.480 It's always benefited him.

00:00:21.880 This is the first time ever that Trump is experiencing a point where people say the things you are saying are off-putting, including to your base, and it's driving the base away from you.

00:00:33.380 It's making the base less enthusiastic.

00:00:35.880 It's actually making the base question the people you put around you.

00:00:38.900 So ultimately, whether it's Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance, Hegseth, God forbid, who wants to run for president in 28, maybe all three of them do, but he has actually damaged all of them.

00:00:51.880 All right, well, I've known Ben Schwann for about 15 years,

00:01:12.280 and he was a big mainline corporate TV host and broke with their system

00:01:17.420 and then got back in the national news and wouldn't be censored

00:01:20.500 than does an independent.

00:01:21.860 And I got to say, when I look at the waterfront

00:01:24.340 of who the most effective, accurate people are,

00:01:27.440 people like Tucker Carlson and Ben Schwan,

00:01:30.120 and Ben's super successful, reaches tens of millions a week,

00:01:32.640 but I think, quite frankly, he should be even bigger

00:01:36.060 because every day I watch and see what he does,

00:01:39.600 and I really appreciate him joining us here today.

00:01:42.700 I apologize a few days ago.

00:01:43.720 We moved back into the studios, you know, the technical stuff

00:01:45.880 just magically happened right before you came on

00:01:48.780 with some equipment being changed out,

00:01:49.860 You're here with us, Ben Schwan, S-W-A-N-N on X.

00:01:54.220 Ben Schwan is a former TV anchor turned independent investigative journalist.

00:01:58.420 We get into Trump midterms, Zelensky, October 7th false flag, pizza gate,

00:02:02.660 major official narratives collapsing.

00:02:04.220 I mean, that's really the issue is that the whole system of deception has collapsed.

00:02:09.180 No matter what they do, it doesn't work.

00:02:11.100 It's been the Davos meeting the last three years in a row is how to get trust back,

00:02:15.340 but they just keep lying even more intensely.

00:02:17.300 So, Ben, you're a great American patriot, a family man, and I don't know, you got the

00:02:22.340 fountain of youth, too.

00:02:23.080 I've known you forever.

00:02:23.620 You look the same age. 1.00

00:02:24.620 I'm not going to hit on you, so you got a great ass like Trump. 0.99

00:02:26.840 But the point is, the point is, great to talk to you, my friend. 0.99

00:02:30.860 Can't wait to try to get you in studio soon.

00:02:32.720 But where do you want to start?

00:02:34.260 Because, man, anybody ever saying it's a boring news day must be living in a cave.

00:02:38.720 Absolutely.

00:02:39.320 I mean, we're watching the most incredible news cycle, I think, that we've ever been

00:02:42.820 a part of.

00:02:43.520 And there have been some crazy ones.

00:02:44.920 But to watch especially, and I know you're on this every day because I watch yourself every day, but to watch the last two years of the Trump administration, we thought it was going to zig and then it zagged.

00:02:55.860 And we went in so many different directions.

00:02:57.940 And then some of it's starting to come back a little bit. 0.98

00:02:59.940 At least I hope that's the case with what's happening in Ukraine. 0.58

00:03:02.800 But, man, it's just every day there's something different.

00:03:05.860 Every day we're watching the most incredible stuff.

00:03:08.840 And obviously, today, what we're watching personally is what's going on with Ukraine, with Zelensky.

00:03:13.920 If this war actually comes to an end, it looks like Trump is finally pulling the plug on this little, you know, dictator in the in the green suit who runs around the world begging for money from everyone and sending all of his people off to die.

00:03:26.520 Someone's in his ear. But I noticed today, Alex, I'm sure you saw this.

00:03:29.940 You know, he spoke to Fox and he's talking about a ceasefire.

00:03:32.720 He's ready to freeze everything. Of course, he wants to freeze everything.

00:03:35.420 He wants to freeze it for two years, waiting and hoping that he gets a Democratic president the next time around and he can restart this whole thing again. 0.68

00:03:43.200 I totally agree. 0.53

00:03:44.140 But it's the first time he's agreed to give up territory, even though he'll try to go backwards.

00:03:47.880 It's because Trump, as Rubio, you know, two days ago admitted, they have cut the military grade star shield.

00:03:56.580 So this is Trump is finally making a move on Zelensky.

00:03:59.680 I don't think Zelensky has a choice at this point.

00:04:02.440 He doesn't have a choice.

00:04:03.640 I mean, when they cut that off, and remember, Starlink and Starshield are two totally different

00:04:08.980 programs.

00:04:09.880 Starshield is a military program.

00:04:11.480 Washington Post is saying that Elon Musk essentially said to do this.

00:04:14.940 He probably did.

00:04:16.000 But the bottom line is that Starshield was never supposed to be used for offensive military

00:04:21.600 action.

00:04:22.280 That's actually against the terms of service because Elon Musk is still running a private

00:04:27.580 company, and that private company does not want to be engaged in a war because you become

00:04:31.720 a target of war.

00:04:33.180 Your satellites in space become a target of war.

00:04:35.440 And so Elon's trying to stay out of that.

00:04:37.200 Obviously, Zelensky abuses every single thing that he touches.

00:04:41.500 And this is another example of that.

00:04:43.080 He wasn't using it to knock down Russian missiles.

00:04:46.180 He was using it to attack wild berries, the Russian version of Amazon. 0.90

00:04:50.300 He's using it to blow up refineries.

00:04:52.380 He's using it to hit targets all across Russia that are filled with civilians.

00:04:56.700 And so when you begin to use that technology as a form of offensive war,

00:05:02.760 You're dragging Starlink, Starshield, SpaceX.

00:05:06.940 All of it starts to become a target of a war if that war spreads.

00:05:12.100 Absolutely.

00:05:12.800 And I had Victor Boot on earlier, Duma member.

00:05:15.060 He agreed this is the biggest move yet by Zelensky.

00:05:17.440 He's always said we will not give up one inch of territory.

00:05:20.340 Well, it happens that the Russians have 25% that was always part of Russia before.

00:05:23.460 The eastern Ukraine and down there on the ocean, on their only deep sea port there, Crimea. 0.82

00:05:32.420 So he just said, I'll give you 25%.

00:05:35.260 I don't see how he goes back from that.

00:05:37.220 But I am concerned that NATO, who's desperate, might launch a false flag.

00:05:42.500 NATO is desperate, and they might launch a false flag.

00:05:45.880 Here's the problem that NATO has, is that every NATO country is burning right now.

00:05:50.160 I mean, look at what is happening across Europe and in France,

00:05:53.860 and every one of these countries is watching massive civil unrest.

00:05:58.480 Well, a big part of that is because you keep taking the treasure of this nation 0.82

00:06:02.320 and you keep money laundering it to Zelensky, who's giving everyone kickbacks. 0.74

00:06:07.260 I got that.

00:06:08.060 But think about the European status quo, right?

00:06:12.300 You have Starmer in the UK, out.

00:06:14.900 You have Mertz over in Germany, who is incredibly unpopular, and now he's out.

00:06:21.920 You have Macron, who has now timed out.

00:06:24.440 He's gone.

00:06:25.920 There's nobody left of this coalition of the willingness, they call themselves. 0.99

00:06:30.260 What a ridiculous name.

00:06:31.340 this group that was basically laundering all the money through Ukraine, they're all gone now. 0.95

00:06:36.720 And what's been left behind, I love the pictures you're putting up, are burning cities across

00:06:41.020 Europe because you have such massive civil unrest. And a big part of that is the cost of energy,

00:06:46.160 because the cost of energy makes everything more expensive. When you cut off, as Germany, 0.95

00:06:52.580 access to Russian oil, and you tell your people, deal with it. It's not our problem. That's your 0.58

00:06:58.000 problem. Well, guess what? The people are now making it your problem. And that's what's happening

00:07:01.300 all across Europe right now. There's a lot of reasons for it. But the biggest reason is when

00:07:05.240 you have massive increase in cost of living and cost to survive. And remember, winter is now

00:07:11.460 setting in into Europe. They're now beginning that winter season, and they have massive fuel

00:07:16.440 shortages and massive energy shortages. And that's only going to breed more unrest.

00:07:22.420 Yeah, and this big debate kicks off with, you know, Trump saying, oh, it's migrants.

00:07:28.540 And then others say, no, it's the communists.

00:07:30.300 No, the communists admit they're exacerbating the migrants.

00:07:32.880 They're exacerbating the people out of work, all of it.

00:07:35.980 But, yeah, it's communist on top of it, directing it. 0.87

00:07:38.920 But if you didn't have the giant migrant hordes, who you look at the videos, it's 90 percent, you know, non-French, then that's the basis. 0.83

00:07:47.300 So this big debate about, oh, is it communists?

00:07:49.480 Is it Muslims? 0.79

00:07:49.960 No, it's red-green alliances. 0.91

00:07:51.580 it's all the same thing. It is all the same thing. And by the way, if you want to see where that will

00:07:57.620 even be more stark, will be Ukraine in about two years, once this war comes to an end, because

00:08:03.360 Zelensky and NATO killed off the entire white male population of Ukraine. It's gone now. Trump 0.53

00:08:11.140 keeps alluding to this, but this is a massive issue. You have 40 million people when the war

00:08:16.220 starts. You're down to around 20 to 15 million that remain. And then of those, you have sent

00:08:22.660 off to die almost the entire male population of that nation. It's absolutely incredible. 1.00

00:08:28.340 And so we're watching this take place. And you have to wonder, what is the strategy? Well,

00:08:34.940 Zelensky says the strategy to replace that population is to import sub-Saharan Africans

00:08:40.700 to come in and to work in Ukraine. 1.00

00:08:44.100 And this is the answer. 0.95

00:08:45.580 This is now the solution.

00:08:47.140 It's absolute lunacy.

00:08:48.480 And it is a globalist wet dream 0.51

00:08:51.000 to watch what they have done in Ukraine

00:08:53.120 because they want to do it all over Europe. 1.00

00:08:54.820 They want to displace the entire population.

00:08:56.980 We watch those leaders in places like Germany and France 0.88

00:09:00.500 talk about the draft,

00:09:02.200 talk about calling up their men,

00:09:04.880 native only, by the way,

00:09:06.200 migrants are not included in that,

00:09:07.440 native only men who would be called up

00:09:09.260 to fight this war with Russia. 0.72

00:09:10.700 I mean, look at the look at the juxtaposition between what is happening with those migrant communities and the the abandonment of the native European communities who live still in those countries and all of it with the backdrop of massively expensive energy and cost of living.

00:09:30.100 Oh, and it doesn't matter if it's Australia, Canada, or blue cities in the U.S., 0.94

00:09:34.260 or the U.K., or Germany, or France. 0.82

00:09:36.720 Eighty-plus percent of the new jobs are given to the invaders. 0.88

00:09:41.540 Ninety percent of the crimes committed by them. 0.90

00:09:46.820 This is all a standardized operation. 0.97

00:09:49.680 This is replacement migration.

00:09:51.180 So what is the left doing?

00:09:52.780 Well, Macron's basically declared martial law ahead of elections in six months,

00:09:56.540 and he thinks the clampdown will somehow keep him in power.

00:10:00.320 What do you make of the left thinking they can trigger this,

00:10:03.700 they can engineer this, then Macron can get on TV and say,

00:10:06.860 why are French people doing this when 90-plus percent of them

00:10:09.900 are not French people doing it? 0.96

00:10:11.640 Well, they're not. 1.00

00:10:12.600 And again, this is all part of the playbook.

00:10:15.020 It's supposed to work this way.

00:10:16.740 They don't mind the chaos.

00:10:18.040 The chaos always serves them when you declare martial law. 0.95

00:10:21.980 We watched this happen in Ukraine, right, with Zelensky,

00:10:24.020 where he can't hold an election for at least six months,

00:10:26.180 he says, after the war is over, because we just can't do it. We don't have time to put this

00:10:30.640 together. He plans to stay in power forever. He's a dictator. Macron will probably try to do the

00:10:35.120 same thing. But I would predict that within about three weeks, if this continues, Macron will be

00:10:39.100 out. I don't I don't even think he'll make it to elections because the again, the whole thing is

00:10:45.180 devolving so quickly. The question becomes out. And we watch this problem here in the US. How do

00:10:51.380 You get these people out once they're in.

00:10:54.940 Yeah, that's the problem is where do you send them?

00:10:57.100 So let's talk about that.

00:10:58.100 And then I want to talk big picture, Trump midterms.

00:11:01.920 And, look, I mean, I know Trump forever has made jokes about that's a handsome guy or whatever.

00:11:06.920 But now it's really become weird. 0.99

00:11:08.700 Like if he was the president at 80 talking about that woman's got a hot, juicy butt, it would be weird. 0.99

00:11:14.540 So is it being inappropriate? 0.99

00:11:17.520 I mean, well, let's talk about the midterms.

00:11:20.760 record low approval rating

00:11:22.980 for Trump

00:11:24.240 he's doubling down

00:11:27.160 with all sorts of bizarre behavior

00:11:29.220 I don't want the Democrats, people think when I criticize Trump

00:11:31.380 I'm for the Democrats

00:11:32.580 I mean I know you certainly aren't either

00:11:34.260 I'm trying to get him to course correct

00:11:35.720 I think he needs to take a vacation

00:11:37.260 he needs to rest

00:11:38.720 that's what Bill O'Reilly has told him

00:11:40.340 I said it first year and a half ago

00:11:41.480 that's what a bunch of his other Laura Ingram has said

00:11:44.140 people that have dinner with him say

00:11:45.180 he is all over the map, totally exhausted

00:11:47.680 has huge swollen ankles

00:11:49.520 signs of the beginning of congestive heart failure. I'm really concerned about Trump.

00:11:55.380 And the left's like, well, screw him. We'll grate the Iran war as a disaster. We live here. 0.83

00:12:00.920 We need Trump to do as best as he can. Doesn't mean we're for him or against him. This idea that,

00:12:05.300 well, you're mad at Trump, so now you can't get him to course correct. I think that's stupid. 1.00

00:12:09.940 No, I totally agree. And I think the biggest problem that Trump has, look, is the circle 1.00

00:12:15.540 around him. He has the wrong people advising him. I think Susie Wiles is the wrong person to be in

00:12:20.780 his ear. I think she's kept him isolated. I think there's a lot of reporting that is accurate that

00:12:25.580 shows that she was the one who really kept Vance out of the room when it came to Iran, kept Tulsi

00:12:30.520 Gabbard out of the room when it came to Iran. I think eventually we'll learn much more about how

00:12:35.280 we got into this Iran war. And a lot of it was triangulation. It was getting Trump away from

00:12:39.680 the people who would be the most sensible voices and remind him of the kind of mandate that brought

00:12:44.860 him into office again versus those who have said, just trust us. This is the right move. People will

00:12:49.860 love you no matter what you do. I agree about the exhaustion thing. The way he's talking right now

00:12:54.920 and some of these rallies he does, and he loves the rallies, right? But at some point, you got to

00:13:01.160 take a step back and get some sleep and realize that just shooting off your mouth and saying

00:13:08.000 whatever pops into your mind at any time, whether it's inappropriate or not, is not the best

00:13:12.880 strategy. It's just not working. It's always worked for Trump in his career, I think, at least

00:13:17.600 in his political career. The problem he's having right now is it's the people who are exhausted as

00:13:22.420 well and who are staying home. That's what's going to cost the 2024 or 2026 midterms. It's

00:13:29.800 going to cause the real problem, the people who stay home. It's not about going out and voting

00:13:33.560 Democrat. You're not doing that. I know I'm not doing that. But am I excited about one thing

00:13:38.060 that's happening with Republicans right now? No. Am I going to bother running to the polls to try

00:13:41.740 to save Republicans from the choices they've made?

00:13:43.980 Absolutely not.

00:13:45.000 No interest in doing that.

00:13:46.500 And I think there are millions of us who feel that way.

00:13:49.980 Give us a reason to vote, and we will vote, as we have.

00:13:53.680 But you go back on those reasons, and you defy those reasons,

00:13:57.260 and then you tell us, well, it's better than the alternative.

00:13:59.780 Well, in some ways, maybe it is better than the alternative.

00:14:01.660 I still think as bad as Trump has been, Kamala Harris would have been worse.

00:14:05.400 Still absolutely.

00:14:06.080 Oh, absolutely.

00:14:06.860 We're not ashamed that Trump was a lesser of two evils,

00:14:10.360 and we supported him.

00:14:11.300 But now we're going to call balls and strikes.

00:14:13.500 But, I mean, I go back to, you know, Trump saying,

00:14:17.720 I don't care about any Americans' economic problems.

00:14:21.040 I don't care about Medicare and Medicaid.

00:14:23.260 Even if he thinks that, he shouldn't be saying it out loud.

00:14:25.740 People say, oh, you're telling him about a lie.

00:14:27.760 No, I'm saying it shows the mental decline.

00:14:30.440 I'm not defending him doing that.

00:14:31.800 Or as soon as he said, if you believe Epstein's real, you're not MAGA, 1.00

00:14:35.720 you're an idiot, it doesn't exist. 1.00

00:14:36.960 I said he'll lose five points. 1.00

00:14:37.980 He went from 57 to, like, 52 the next day.

00:14:41.320 Then when he said, I don't care about any American's economic peril, I said he'll lose five points.

00:14:44.580 He did. 0.99

00:14:45.280 All this gay stuff, jokes, whatever, he's plunged. 1.00

00:14:48.860 I mean, it's like I'm watching him sit there, and so it's not like I'm even giving him advice on how to be more deceptive. 0.98

00:14:55.140 I'm saying, why do you, even if you think you should cover up Epstein, which I don't agree with and I've exposed, why do you say it out loud?

00:15:03.100 Even if you don't care about the average American, why do you say it?

00:15:05.740 And it shows the no filter of frontal lobe dementia, and I believe that's what we're seeing.

00:15:11.480 It very well may be, because it doesn't make any sense that he says the things he does.

00:15:15.600 And honestly, 10 years ago, when Trump ran the first time, he was kind of a master of saying the right thing.

00:15:21.900 He would say outlandish things, but they always hit the right way.

00:15:25.660 He didn't have these statements that he would make that would make you say, what?

00:15:29.460 Why would he say that?

00:15:30.600 He seems to almost betray himself in the things that he's saying, which makes it very different this time.

00:15:36.020 Yeah, and it's been picked up literally by every major influencer.

00:15:39.000 or been on MSNBC or MSNOW.

00:15:40.860 It's like, Jones is telling Trump how to lie.

00:15:44.440 Jones is like, why are you going to cover up Epstein?

00:15:46.740 Do you say you're doing it?

00:15:48.060 I'm not defending the cover-up.

00:15:49.360 I've been exposing it before anybody.

00:15:51.020 My point is like, it's his, the angle is his brain.

00:15:54.940 Why would he cover it up in the worst possible way?

00:15:57.840 It's not a defense of the cover-up.

00:15:59.020 It's saying it shows he's cognitively degenerating

00:16:01.960 that he's doing it this way.

00:16:03.280 I'm not defending the action.

00:16:04.900 I'm saying, why is the action so insane?

00:16:07.100 Yeah, no, that really is it. I mean, you're absolutely right. And by the way, if you were telling them how to lie better, good for you, because somebody needs to. Somebody needs to tell this man how to fix this mess that he's in.

00:16:21.940 No, but seriously, the idea that he's just going to go out there and say whatever he wants to say, whenever he wants to say it, and there is no repercussion.

00:16:30.140 I think what you're seeing and you're rightly stating is that there is consequence to the things that Trump is doing now that he's never experienced before.

00:16:38.560 So, again, over 10 years, 12 years now of being president and being in the center of the political universe, Trump has never had a consequence for the things that he says.

00:16:50.540 He's never had consequence for the off-the-cuff remarks.

00:16:53.980 It's always benefited him.

00:16:55.600 This is the first time ever that Trump is experiencing a point where people say the

00:17:00.740 things you are saying are off-putting, including to your base, and it's driving the base away

00:17:06.380 from you.

00:17:06.840 It's making the base less enthusiastic.

00:17:09.340 It's actually making the base question the people you put around you.

00:17:12.400 So ultimately, whether it's Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance, Hegseth, God forbid, who wants to

00:17:18.140 run for president in 28, maybe all three of them do.

00:17:20.540 But he has actually damaged all of them.

00:17:23.340 Yeah, that's why Vance may not even run.

00:17:25.120 It's so damaging.

00:17:26.020 And that's been my point is exactly is Trump made a deal to lose to the Democrats.

00:17:33.320 And from all my research, no, that's not it.

00:17:35.360 He just does.

00:17:36.420 It was cute before with no filter.

00:17:38.100 Now it's like no filter turbo.

00:17:40.460 Yeah.

00:17:41.120 Yeah, I like the way you said that.

00:17:42.340 It was cute before.

00:17:43.160 Before it worked because no one had ever seen it before.

00:17:45.860 It was so shocking to see someone in the political spotlight who had no filter.

00:17:51.620 But when you reach a certain point where that filter is now betraying you, the lack thereof

00:17:56.960 is betraying you, you got to change course.

00:17:59.620 And the problem is, again, I would argue that Trump has no one in his inner circle who's

00:18:03.100 telling him this because I think the inner circle wants him to fail.

00:18:07.600 They actually want to kill MAGA.

00:18:10.080 Congratulations, you've done it.

00:18:11.760 You've done it.

00:18:12.100 You just answered the question.

00:18:13.060 It's not Trump deliberately killing MAGA.

00:18:15.960 It is the Democrat Party lawyers from Todd Blanche to the big pharma people and Netanyahu's

00:18:22.400 former campaign head, Susie Wiles.

00:18:24.520 They are directing him right into the icebergs here, and he's getting bad advice, whereas 1.00

00:18:29.520 before they all fought him, and then he had to—now they learn to kiss his ass, and then 1.00

00:18:35.240 he will take their bad advice. 1.00

00:18:37.500 And then they just turn him loose.

00:18:39.020 They wind him up like a toy, turn him loose in the wrong direction, and they watch him betray the base over and over and over.

00:18:44.940 And they keep him isolated and tell him things like, it's very popular, people love it, when they know, in fact, that they don't.

00:18:50.560 Look, I think what's actually happening here is there is a push to go back to the Republican Party of the Bushes.

00:18:58.820 That's the real.

00:19:00.280 And the real goal is to get back there by 28. 0.72

00:19:03.740 And the only way you do that is you have to kill MAGA completely. 0.98

00:19:06.960 and you have to not only kill it you have to make those who signed up for it despise it and only 0.98

00:19:12.580 trump could do that i totally in fact they've said that oh my god you just nailed it that's 0.96

00:19:17.380 what it is they've manipulated him to kill maga himself they have the israel firsters attack

00:19:22.460 those of us trying to get him back on track as traitors and now the neocons are bragging we're

00:19:27.840 back in business yes yes and they're they're they're excited because listen there was a couple

00:19:33.900 have i want to say it was almost three years ago there were a series of meetings held and you would

00:19:38.560 know this better than i would uh where the bushes were meeting specifically to talk about how they

00:19:44.380 were going to get control of the republican party again oh people drop the headline and bushes meet

00:19:49.120 with republicans and say jeb bush said we're returning we'll soon be back in control that

00:19:54.320 was a year and a half ago yeah and guess what that's a pretty good prediction when a year and

00:19:59.860 a half ago you would have said you guys have no chance this this man has completely changed

00:20:03.700 the Republican Party forever. It'll never go back to what it was. And yet here we are,

00:20:08.800 a year and a half later, all of a sudden, that entire coalition has been gutted. And again,

00:20:13.300 to your point, you said it better than I would, the only way to do it is you got to make Trump

00:20:17.460 do it himself. That's the only way. You can't kill it from the outside. It has to be killed

00:20:22.000 from within. Ben Swan, let me ask you this before we go to break. Is there any way to salvage this, 0.99

00:20:26.460 which I really want to do? I mean, we're 13, 12 days out from the midterms. I mean, wow.

00:20:31.340 Yes, I think I think there absolutely is a way to do it.

00:20:34.960 And I think the way you do it is that Trump has to throw out the people around him after the midterms.

00:20:39.980 You're going to lose the midterm. The way you salvage your legacy and MAGA, you throw out Susie Wiles, you get these people away from you and you go hardcore on what you promised in 24.

00:20:49.420 And you say, I have two years to deliver. I won't be deterred.

00:20:53.380 I totally agree. If he apologized, something he never does to Tucker Carlson, if he said, look, I made mistakes, everyone would forgive him more than ever, wouldn't they?

00:21:02.960 They would. And that MAGA coalition would be stronger than ever.

00:21:06.220 If you end the wars, if you do the things you promised to do, you start killing the deep state.

00:21:11.240 You've got the CIA. You've got the FBI. You do the things you promised.

00:21:15.100 Release the Epstein files. Whoever's in them, be damned. 1.00

00:21:17.940 do what you promised you would do do what you campaigned on and the people rallied around you 0.99

00:21:23.200 for if he will do that trump won't just save his coalition he will save his legacy he will go down

00:21:29.240 as one of the greatest presidents of all time because it'll be the perfect final chapter to his

00:21:34.000 presidential story and again people say to us why do you care about him no we're talking about his

00:21:37.660 psychology he is obsessed with legacy so if we can get him to do the right thing for ego great

00:21:42.600 I have articles here in my stack that I've confirmed are accurate.

00:21:46.220 He is already telling them, if you gave me bad advice, you're all out.

00:21:49.840 He's telling Netanyahu that, too.

00:21:51.980 And so he's preparing to blame all of them.

00:21:54.160 He really should blame himself.

00:21:55.420 But whatever, blame them. 0.98

00:21:57.220 But, yeah, then who does he bring in as a lame duck now? 0.76

00:22:00.660 Wow, this is going to be spectacular. 0.96

00:22:02.820 And as a lame duck, you don't even worry about what Congress thinks about it.

00:22:06.280 You wait until they go on recess every five minutes, and you make recess appointments so that you don't even have to deal with them.

00:22:11.540 And you bring back people like Tulsi Gabbard, and you bring in people like Douglas McGregor,

00:22:16.240 and you say, I'm going to pick the people who are going to piss you off the most.

00:22:19.900 That's who I'm going to do with.

00:22:20.240 No, I agree. 0.72

00:22:20.680 Then why is he, how did he get Kennedy to turn against Ma like this? 0.82

00:22:25.360 The Kennedy thing is, I can't even describe how that's happening. 0.88

00:22:30.220 I have no idea how that's happening.

00:22:31.500 For him to talk about measles and telling people to go take the vaccine, and this is,

00:22:35.380 I mean, this man is a man.

00:22:38.320 And the quote Fauci, Fauci says, Fauci says it's good.

00:22:41.540 right right he wrote a book the real anthony fauci now he's like fauci says and i agree you

00:22:47.840 need to fauci is the authority it's like unreal unreal i don't know what happens in those halls

00:22:55.020 i just have no idea it's demonic but these people get they go in there and they just get captured

00:23:00.500 and it's maybe maybe it's a good thing there's only two years left because you wouldn't bring

00:23:04.700 the right people in and maybe they can last they can last those two years incredible ben you got

00:23:09.100 to get back on more with us. We'll come right back with more

00:23:11.120 of the big stories you're breaking. Ben Schwann,

00:23:13.420 if I should follow him on X right now, we'll be right

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00:23:39.100 all right ben schwan is our guest i want to talk about the october 7th false flag and

00:23:55.820 i want to be one trillion percent clear when i bring up israel and corruption evil of israel

00:24:01.980 i don't put provisos in there because i'm scared the israel lobby's gonna come after me they've

00:24:05.620 already been doing it forever because i've been a straight dealer israel is a powerful group and

00:24:10.860 it's got all these billionaires and it wants control of the u.s the ndaa section 219 we just

00:24:16.280 call balls and strikes but i refuse to get down on that level and say oh only israel does corrupt 0.77

00:24:21.900 evil stuff china does our own elites it goes on and that's why they particularly don't like me 0.77

00:24:26.560 because they want to make it anti-semitic and just about jews so that then that more evil players can 1.00

00:24:33.560 play victim and get all the donations from Jews around the world and force them out of their own

00:24:37.920 countries. Israel's been caught hundreds of times staging false flags to bomb synagogues and make 0.96

00:24:42.340 Jews move back to Israel. It's evil. It's wrong. And the point is, is that Israel is the most 0.99

00:24:50.340 unpopular country in the world right now. They did manipulate Trump into this Iran war. His own 0.75

00:24:54.940 family's telling him it's a disaster. The Joint Chiefs are telling him that. But Israel would

00:24:59.240 attack the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. They would just

00:25:01.220 attack me and Tucker Carlson and

00:25:03.340 you know, a few other people like

00:25:04.860 we just made this up.

00:25:06.920 That said, it isn't about the Jews in my view.

00:25:09.220 It's about Benjamin Netanyahu

00:25:10.460 and what he's doing. And so the fact is you

00:25:13.140 have the vice president refusing

00:25:15.280 to endorse him because he knows

00:25:17.160 it's political suicide.

00:25:19.720 Israel is now about to pass 0.66

00:25:21.060 Rubicon to be unpopular with boomers.

00:25:23.280 Two years ago, 65% of boomers

00:25:25.080 supported him. It's like 53 right now.

00:25:27.140 In a few months, it'll be 50.

00:25:28.280 In young people, it's like 80% against Israel. 0.97

00:25:32.140 That doesn't mean I'm for the Muslims either. 0.60

00:25:34.140 It's a false paradigm, but we shouldn't have Israel being the main issue controlling our country.

00:25:40.560 So I wanted to get Ben Schwann, who I've known for 15 years.

00:25:42.600 He certainly doesn't run around in secret Hitler underwear.

00:25:46.100 He, I know, wants sovereignty and control of our country. 0.57

00:25:48.400 We don't care who it is trying to run our country. 0.90

00:25:50.460 But what's going on with Israel? 0.92

00:25:52.460 It's even in their own news, the October 7th stand down that you covered three years ago.

00:25:57.800 I mean, this is a big deal.

00:25:59.200 So how do we deal with this Israel issue, and where is this going?

00:26:02.760 Well, I think that's a great setup, because the reality is that there are so many problems

00:26:07.900 with October 7th and with the way that Israel, specifically Netanyahu, but also people around

00:26:14.260 like Ben Gavir, have justified horrific war crimes against the Palestinian people, and

00:26:21.400 they've justified it on the basis of an attack that came against them.

00:26:25.080 But if you go back to October 7th and you look at the real story behind that day, what you find is that Netanyahu referred to it as Israel's 9-11. 0.99

00:26:36.740 And I would actually agree with that in a lot of ways. 0.95

00:26:38.500 And one of the ways that I agree with that is that it's very clear from the information that's out there.

00:26:42.860 And again, this is information that's been made public out of documents that have come from the Israeli government as well as reporting in the Israeli media.

00:26:50.260 And what they have found is that Israel had plenty of warning.

00:26:52.920 They knew about this 18 months before it happened. 0.68

00:26:55.640 They had the plans for it, everything.

00:26:57.340 For everything from the gliders that you see there on your screen, they knew that was going

00:26:59.940 to happen, to the way they were going to come across, the way they were going to drag soldiers

00:27:03.400 back across the border.

00:27:04.600 They knew it was coming.

00:27:05.700 They planned for it.

00:27:06.520 They had a task force set up.

00:27:07.800 It was their number one priority.

00:27:09.620 And then all of a sudden, about six months before October 7th happens, everything shifts.

00:27:14.100 And not only did the government stop talking about it, the military and the IDF stopped

00:27:17.140 talking about it, but they actually made it illegal for people who were living on the

00:27:21.160 border in hibbutz communities across from gaza to even listen to radio traffic because those people

00:27:26.020 could see on the other side of the border the hamas practicing these exercises training and

00:27:31.780 the month before the israeli government banned a bunch of the jewish militias in those towns

00:27:36.040 so so so this came out of the time i covered it general flynn covered it you covered it 0.67

00:27:41.160 we're all traitors anti-semitic now it's all over the israeli press and netanyahu admits it's true

00:27:45.800 he says the military didn't tell him he said they say he didn't tell them so again nobody's above

00:27:52.600 the law we know netanyahu doubled funding to hamas in the two years before we know israel founded

00:27:57.440 hamas so we're not defending hamas the point is this was a wind-up toy as you said earlier

00:28:02.460 in this false flag situation so big picture now how big is it though that it's all over the

00:28:07.660 israeli newspapers well i think it's big because the israeli newspapers are publishing it even the

00:28:12.720 New York Times is talking about this, and they've stayed away from it. Why? Are they anti-Semitic?

00:28:16.780 No, it's because the goal is to remove Netanyahu at this point. Because just like with what we

00:28:21.400 just talked about with the Trump administration, right, somebody's got to go down for the fact

00:28:25.520 that Israel is the most unpopular country in the world right now. Somebody has to go down for the 0.77

00:28:29.740 fact that Israel has committed the genocide they have against Gaza. Somebody has to go down for

00:28:34.760 their continued push into Lebanon, and it's not working right now. So someone's going to take the 0.57

00:28:39.940 fall. And at this point, it looks like the easiest person to peg everything onto is to Netanyahu.

00:28:46.220 So if you can remove Netanyahu, what comes after that is everything's going to be, it was all him. 0.55

00:28:52.340 He knew about it ahead of time. He ignored warnings. He let our people die. He was the

00:28:56.580 one who ordered the Hannibal directive. Watch the Hannibal directive come back once Netanyahu's out. 0.96

00:29:01.840 All of a sudden, he'll have been the one who ordered it. And so, and I'm not saying that 0.96

00:29:04.900 none of that's true. What I'm saying is it's- The point is he's the sacrificial lamb. We're

00:29:08.700 not defending Netanyahu we're totally you're right they are preparing him to be the scapegoat

00:29:12.760 we're not defending him the point is it should be bigger than that not just Netanyahu that's right

00:29:17.480 because if you think it's just Netanyahu then you're missing the point which is this is the

00:29:20.960 policy of the Israeli government and the next prime minister you get in in Israel may be worse

00:29:26.380 if you get someone like a Naftali Bennett Naftali Bennett would be worse than Netanyahu in my

00:29:30.440 opinion because he's going to turn around to go to Turkey Ben-Gavir would be worse he's the one

00:29:35.600 who actually ordered the Hannibal Directive in actuality.

00:29:38.380 We have evidence of that.

00:29:39.460 For folks who don't know, Ben, tell them about the Hannibal Directive.

00:29:43.180 So the Hannibal Directive essentially is an old directive

00:29:46.020 that was created in the early 2000s, late 90s, early 2000s by the Israelis.

00:29:50.960 And the reason they came up with it was because when Israeli soldiers,

00:29:54.740 IDF soldiers, were taken hostage, right, they didn't want to have to negotiate.

00:29:58.620 So there's a famous case, I think it was 2004,

00:30:00.780 where about four IDF soldiers were taken hostage

00:30:03.400 and then Hamas traded them for something like 1,100 Palestinian or Hamas fighters.

00:30:09.680 And they say Hamas fighters, but, you know, that also gets tricked. 0.94

00:30:12.460 It could just be Palestinians, right? 0.94

00:30:14.200 And so they had this swap.

00:30:15.880 And so the Israeli government created an actual protocol that said,

00:30:20.100 we're not going to allow these swaps to take place anymore.

00:30:22.020 So the Hannibal Directive says, if there is a hostage taken,

00:30:24.560 remember the movie Speed, there's a scene right at the beginning

00:30:27.760 where they're going like...

00:30:28.500 Yeah, Keanu Reeves.

00:30:29.220 But bottom line, that's why you have the helicopter footage, 0.99

00:30:31.960 the Apache helicopters killing Jews, the order was, we don't just not negotiate, we kill the 0.99

00:30:37.320 hostages. Right. Because in that movie, he says, shoot the hostage, right? That is the Hannibal 1.00

00:30:41.680 directive. The Hannibal directive is shoot the hostage. Don't worry about the guy taking him. 0.99

00:30:45.600 We'll get him later. But if you kill the hostage, there's nothing to negotiate with. That's a very 0.80

00:30:49.660 real policy that exists in the Israeli government. Now, they claim that around 2015, 2016, they got

00:30:55.460 rid of it. They didn't get rid of it. Because we know on October 7th, Ben Gavir ordered it.

00:30:59.520 He said, take them all out.

00:31:01.580 And we can't finally put it in post.

00:31:04.140 It shows the Apache helicopters coming in and just blowing up even the settlers while they're fighting them.

00:31:10.100 They just killed everybody. 0.68

00:31:11.400 They kill everybody. 1.00

00:31:12.760 That's that's that.

00:31:13.800 It's not that it's collateral damage.

00:31:15.480 That's the wrong terminology, right?

00:31:16.940 We would call that in the U.S. collateral damage because it's unintended.

00:31:20.680 They're not collateral damage.

00:31:22.240 It is the intent.

00:31:23.820 It is solely the intent. 0.92

00:31:25.660 But let's go back to Israel helping found Hamas in 1979. 0.82

00:31:29.520 and then using Qatar with Israeli money to fund them,

00:31:37.380 doubling the funding to Hamas,

00:31:39.120 they literally helped supercharge this. 1.00

00:31:42.220 I just wonder why Hamas was so stupid to literally carry this out. 0.99

00:31:48.280 Again, just because I'm against what Israel is doing, 1.00

00:31:50.480 these Muslims are out of control. 1.00

00:31:54.800 What's your take on that, Ben, 0.97

00:31:56.240 about how Hamas has held the Palestinians hostage as slaves, 0.66

00:32:01.020 but it was Israel put them in because they would be a good demon to fight. 0.98

00:32:05.220 That's so sick. 0.56

00:32:07.000 That's what people have to understand is that Hamas is not a friend

00:32:10.260 of the Palestinian people, but the Palestinian people didn't want Hamas.

00:32:13.340 You know, I cringe when you hear U.S. politicians say,

00:32:18.040 well, the people shouldn't have voted for Hamas. 0.96

00:32:20.540 That's what you get when you vote.

00:32:21.480 They don't have a choice, but they did have a choice in the 70s

00:32:24.760 And they didn't have a choice in the 80s when Hamas was a very small group that no one ever heard of in a primarily agnostic and and and what's the term?

00:32:35.020 Secular. Secular. Thank you. Secular society that was Gaza and Palestine.

00:32:41.080 Palestinians, they were highly educated. They knew how to negotiate.

00:32:44.600 And the Israelis were in the news admitting we put a bunch of hillbilly crazy scum in to take over because we can blow them all up. 1.00

00:32:50.960 So it isn't that they run Hamas, they literally funded garbage, radical Muslims, and then I'm supposed to feel sorry? 1.00

00:32:58.160 I feel sorry for the Jews that got killed, but for their elites? 0.99

00:33:00.600 No, you created this. 0.98

00:33:02.380 You put this Frankenstein out there and then play the victim. 0.99

00:33:06.020 It's bullcrap. 0.99

00:33:07.700 It is. 0.98

00:33:08.440 And the thing is, it's the same tactic that our CIA uses all over the world as well.

00:33:12.860 You find the—we did it with ISIS and we did it with al-Qaeda. 0.57

00:33:16.200 We did it with the Mujahideen. 0.99

00:33:17.420 You find the worst elements. 1.00

00:33:18.920 You fund them and train them.

00:33:20.580 You give them an advantage over the general population and you allow them to take over because you think, well, then we have a good enemy to fight.

00:33:28.000 And that's when the white supremacists get mad at me and you because I'm like, yeah, Israel does these dirty tricks and so do we.

00:33:34.920 They're like, oh, God, you're covering up for them. 0.57

00:33:36.660 No, I'm not giving Israel cover, but we don't just say, oh, only Israel does this.

00:33:40.860 No, they learn from the British and the U.S.

00:33:43.460 If you know the history as you do.

00:33:45.280 That's right.

00:33:45.920 That's exactly right. 1.00

00:33:46.840 We're the ones, and the British are the ones who actually created this playbook. 0.98

00:33:52.960 And by the way, it's still used to this day. 0.98

00:33:55.020 It's being used here in the U.S. on us right now.

00:33:58.260 It's being used on our own soil right now. 0.51

00:34:00.900 Explain that. 1.00

00:34:01.960 Well, that's the whole point of importing massive numbers of migrants into this country.

00:34:05.940 What Biden was doing by opening up the border and letting in 11, 12, 15 million people, who knows how many people he let in. 0.95

00:34:11.680 He brings those people in here. And among those people, you know, these aren't just a bunch of people from South America and Latin America. They're Chinese. They're Iranian. They're Syrian. They're from all over Africa who are swarming into our country.

00:34:27.340 Well, when you bring those people in, you intentionally create chaos by moving them into 1.00

00:34:31.840 communities. We saw this during the election. There was a lot of talk about this. Remember

00:34:34.860 the famous, they eat the dogs and the cats? By the way, they do. That is happening. And it was

00:34:40.020 happening in Minnesota. But you have these people who were brought here. And the reality is,

00:34:47.320 I can have sympathy for those people who are being brought into our country and say they're

00:34:52.460 not all monsters, but they culturally do not understand where they're being put. And so they 0.99

00:34:57.480 are, it is a design for them to fail. It is a design for the community they're being dropped

00:35:03.140 into to fail. It is exactly, we talked about this in the first segment, what is happening across

00:35:08.740 Europe right now. You have, when we spend over 25 years destroying the Middle East and creating 1.00

00:35:15.340 gigantic refugee crises so that Syrians are fleeing, Iraqis are fleeing, Iranians are having 0.95

00:35:21.920 to flee. You create these horrific systems so that the Libyans all flee. What did Gaddafi say 1.00

00:35:26.900 before we killed him? If you kill me, all of Africa will be in Europe. He was right. 0.99

00:35:33.820 It all went into Europe. And so they're now dealing with these migrant crises. 0.86

00:35:38.640 The migrants aren't all monsters, but they don't have the ability to work. They can't be supported 1.00

00:35:43.740 in these systems. And so they create criminal gangs and they riot and loot and burn. And so

00:35:50.880 the people, if you're going to be mad at someone, should be at the globalists who are at the top

00:35:55.440 of this, just like in your little video here, who are the ones who are playing the game with

00:36:00.020 everyone. Because they don't love the migrant, they abuse them. They don't love the native

00:36:04.860 European or the native American or the American who's been here for 200 years. They despise them.

00:36:10.900 And they know that by crossing these groups to each other, they can create chaos. And the more

00:36:16.080 chaos you create, the more we fight each other, the more they can do whatever they want to do.

00:36:20.880 this is a great video by the way i can't hear it but it looks fantastic oh this is uh definitely

00:36:25.520 what's going on this is uh this is a ben sapiro running the show here and then the fight starts

00:36:31.800 and he just laughs about it so now that the game is known though by more and more people

00:36:37.340 what are the bad guys going to do and let's go back to that video while he talks go ahead

00:36:40.800 yeah no i i guess that's that's the real question right as the game becomes known i guess the

00:36:47.540 question becomes, just because you can now see it happening, is it too late to do anything?

00:36:53.300 I don't think it is. I think it's going to take certain leaders who have a different view. I

00:37:00.200 think you're going to have to begin mass deportations. I love when you guys put your

00:37:05.540 cat turd person in there. He's in everything. So good. It's so good. But we have to be able

00:37:13.720 to deal with this. And one of the ways you do that is strong leaders from different countries

00:37:17.660 who recognize this. And I know people will say, this guy is such a Putin apologist. Listen,

00:37:22.460 Putin, I think, has a very clear understanding of what's going on with globalists. I think Xi

00:37:27.300 has a good understanding of what's going on with globalists. I think they have done a good job of

00:37:30.940 trying to protect their countries from it. And this is where, again, going back to Trump,

00:37:36.760 now this conversation about a possible trilateral Trump, Putin, and Xi, I think that right there

00:37:42.720 could be the start of something really important and and could be the start of something exactly

00:37:48.560 that cuts out the global it's not the putin or g or any of that the point is they're not on the

00:37:52.740 offense the globalists have in our name and trump would just step into his power instead of wasting 0.64

00:37:57.700 his time with israel and all this other stuff israel is not going anywhere just israel stop

00:38:02.140 expanding stop having a war for your re-election the whole world should not orbit around netanyahu's 0.97

00:38:07.760 reelection i mean that is just bullshit yes yes a country the size of new jersey that has absolutely 0.94

00:38:14.060 no natural resources like why are we all so worried about them and i don't have a hard on 0.99

00:38:18.720 to blow up israel i know you don't either just like stop israel thinks they're so smart their

00:38:24.120 leaders they're not thinking multi-level ahead like this is really bad for israel what they're

00:38:29.520 doing long term well if you think if you want to look at the long-term thinkers and some people

00:38:34.580 may not like this, but look at Iran. Iran has done a great job of thinking for the last 40 years,

00:38:41.040 watching what's happening around them, and saying, we are going to prepare ourselves to survive. 0.76

00:38:46.200 Well, let's be clear, they were in decline until this attack happened. Now they're the regional

00:38:50.160 power in them. They are, I would say, the fourth regional power in the world, because they

00:38:56.960 absolutely dominate the Middle East. And they are setting themselves up now to be the peace 0.81

00:39:01.680 broker of the Middle East and the real

00:39:03.600 force of the Middle East. Which is why the Joint Chiefs told

00:39:05.560 Trump not to do it.

00:39:08.260 This is what you'll do. 1.00

00:39:09.700 Wasn't it smart by Israel to attack 0.94

00:39:11.540 me and Tucker and others and not

00:39:13.460 attack the chairman? Because no one would

00:39:15.500 buy that. So we were like, the chairman's right. Don't do

00:39:17.580 this. Oh, no, you're a traitor. You're a 1.00

00:39:19.280 Qatari. 1.00

00:39:21.380 Let me tell you, Mark Levin and Ben 0.83

00:39:23.460 Shapiro politically need to pay for what

00:39:25.400 they've done. I agree.

00:39:27.640 I agree. Absolutely.

00:39:30.420 Because we

00:39:31.160 still live in this insane culture that says

00:39:33.200 you can get up and you can push and push

00:39:35.320 and push for all this stuff and when you're proven once

00:39:37.200 again to be famously wrong in everything

00:39:39.340 you said you should

00:39:41.420 pay a price for it but they won't

00:39:43.520 they'll make another 0.98

00:39:44.840 shitty movie that nobody will want to watch 0.98

00:39:46.800 and go back to

00:39:48.960 ranting and raving about

00:39:50.540 how unfair everything is for them

00:39:53.220 and I think by the way there should

00:39:55.240 be a similar

00:39:56.000 value

00:39:59.460 given to people like you

00:40:00.920 who are consistently right in the thing that you say over the years,

00:40:04.800 proven, proven, proven, proven guys like you and me.

00:40:07.080 When, when we go through decades of being proven right over and over and

00:40:10.620 over again, there should also be a end result for that as well.

00:40:14.320 Not just the, the, you get to survive.

00:40:17.200 Well, that's what I'm saying, Ben.

00:40:18.120 And you got to get on the show a lot more.

00:40:19.500 I don't know how a decade goes by and we don't talk more.

00:40:22.020 You, you are just great.

00:40:23.340 Your reports that are the best.

00:40:24.480 I mean, they're, they're like the best, like a plus level, like, you know,

00:40:28.080 of the platinum Dom Perignon level, on air and interviews, you are super smart.

00:40:33.460 And so I just want to invite you back a lot more.

00:40:34.900 We've got some time left here, but let's hurry through this.

00:40:37.260 The Epstein-Zelensky connection, where people can see the reports on your site,

00:40:40.720 they're incredible. 0.87

00:40:41.660 Iran destroyed, let's see, we already hit that.

00:40:44.480 USAID funding wrapped, collapsed, so did communism.

00:40:47.620 Seven wins in Latin America since that happened.

00:40:49.580 And the 9-11 official narrative has collapsed again.

00:40:53.280 So let's, you got the floor here.

00:40:54.940 Let's go through the rest of these facades falling.

00:40:58.960 Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:59.860 Well, the, you know, Epstein, what's happening with the two of them, you had, once again, Epstein trying to broker power and control of Ukraine for his purposes.

00:41:16.660 But the problem is his purposes were not just sexual and it wasn't just about the abuse of children and young girls.

00:41:21.580 It was about controlling technology and science and being a power broker around the world.

00:41:27.040 And he found a guy in Zalinska.

00:41:28.020 Let me just be clear.

00:41:28.780 The sex slavery, I know you're saying this. 0.99

00:41:30.380 The sex slavery is a piece of cheese in the mousetrap. 0.99

00:41:32.840 Exactly. 1.00

00:41:33.300 That's just the way to set people up.

00:41:34.480 Sorry, go ahead.

00:41:36.480 Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:37.600 But I want to mention, too, real quick, the USAID thing.

00:41:39.820 I think this is one of the most untold stories.

00:41:41.180 We're actually working on a film about it for 2027.

00:41:43.740 But the USAID thing is such a big story.

00:41:45.980 You know, if you look at rap music, top 40, right, there had not been a rap song that had not been in the top 40 in over 25 years.

00:41:55.620 And then all of a sudden, in October of 2025, not a single rap song charts, not a single one.

00:42:02.060 And then it happened again the next cycle, the next cycle.

00:42:04.380 Three cycles now it's happened.

00:42:05.880 By the way, among that time, people who released albums in the rap community, Drake, the number one rap artist in the world, did not chart.

00:42:13.260 bad money did not chart and it's like how could this happen well then you go and look at well

00:42:19.480 correlation is not equal causation but what does correlate to this and you look at what happened

00:42:23.900 in september of 2025 just one month before usaid is defunded we also know for a fact because of

00:42:31.400 of cia declassified documents that if you look at like a jackson pollock remember the artist

00:42:36.880 the modern artist just throwing they funded brutalist architecture ugly art to sabotage

00:42:43.100 society well let me give you i've never said this i'm gonna go ahead and say it in five minutes

00:42:46.200 next hour but i'm gonna go ahead and just say it and there's a lot of their names but um billy

00:42:52.300 corrigan told me that he got told in the 90s it's only rap gangster rap the cia runs it all

00:42:58.480 so did dave mustaine i got taken to a birthday party with some of the top executives they openly

00:43:03.640 bragged about it and then you've had so many other examples of this come out and that that that this

00:43:12.600 was the plan, and now as soon as that

00:43:14.440 billions a year is pulled 0.99

00:43:16.160 from the gangster rap, everybody to kill themselves,

00:43:19.300 pass-track to prison, 0.66

00:43:20.760 thug culture, now

00:43:22.600 the whole thing falls 1.00

00:43:24.700 apart, but that's

00:43:26.740 what everybody was told in the early 90s is

00:43:28.400 you will, they all told them, they called them and said

00:43:30.620 you're going to do gangster rap now, they said, and then you

00:43:32.600 saw some collabs early on,

00:43:34.560 Megadeth and, you know, all of them,

00:43:36.620 the Beast, everybody, but this

00:43:38.620 is on record, so I hope that

00:43:40.140 Billy Corgan and Dave Mustaine

00:43:42.480 that told me about that, now this is all

00:43:44.460 out there, but I also had Professor Griff

00:43:46.360 who I was interviewing like 25-30

00:43:48.540 years ago, come out and

00:43:50.440 say they wouldn't go with that

00:43:52.200 but they were told the same thing

00:43:53.780 and I knew KRS-One, I know all those

00:43:56.500 guys, so I was told this by all of them

00:43:58.520 they all got called in by executives and told

00:44:00.120 this is a government operation, you put 0.99

00:44:02.480 out, kill the police, civil war, kill 1.00

00:44:04.520 Whitey, we boost you to the top 1.00

00:44:06.120 and a bunch of them said I'm not doing it 1.00

00:44:07.680 Yeah, I absolutely believe it

00:44:10.540 and then you start to look at what

00:44:12.060 what was taking place during that time and you watch the the the gangster rap turned into just

00:44:19.120 kind of sex and drugs rap which now has turned into mumble rap which means nothing they're just

00:44:24.400 not even saying words anymore and it's this is all about removing protest from society dumbing

00:44:31.300 down society can create a fomenting you know hatred for other groups and and it's all a cia 0.95

00:44:37.880 It was about setting black people up to line them up for prison and have a toxic culture. 0.95

00:44:42.520 You see the effects. 0.94

00:44:43.040 And look, that stuff was told to me in confidence, but I've said if something's criminal, not

00:44:46.800 that they were criminal, Dave Mustaine or, you know, Billy Corgan, and others told me

00:44:50.740 this, I mean, my point is this is the time.

00:44:54.920 People are ready for this now.

00:44:56.560 I hope Dave Mustaine, Billy Corgan, and others I haven't named, they were all called in.

00:45:01.020 They were told this.

00:45:01.760 This is smoking gun.

00:45:03.120 Like, folks, these people know me on record.

00:45:05.240 I mean, I didn't make this up.

00:45:06.760 Call them.

00:45:07.120 you know see i mean i was told this wow yeah i i absolutely believe it and and that's what

00:45:14.400 we we are hoping to expose with this and the reason we want to expose it is because people

00:45:19.060 need to recognize that when the cia is running operations in your own country the same way we

00:45:23.540 have around the world for many many decades to control the way the population thinks what they

00:45:29.360 listen to what they believe how they operate this is not what we're supposed to be paying well the 0.96

00:45:35.160 The CIA didn't just on record, congressional testimony in the early 90s, give black people the ingredients to make crack and ship the cocaine in. 0.82

00:45:43.280 They created the gangster rap to create the crime wave. 0.95

00:45:46.780 So we look at all this thugism that's now spreading to everybody. 0.98

00:45:49.640 We're like, well, OK, blame the black thugs, but also blame who taught them how to do it. 0.98

00:45:54.020 Yeah. And blame who funded all of it, because because all this doesn't happen without massive funding. 1.00

00:45:59.000 And I remember talking to freeway Ricky Ross about the fact that, you know, he believed he was the greatest businessman in the world.

00:46:05.560 And he found out it was the CIA that was running all of it.

00:46:07.820 And they created a former jail guard named Rick Ross to take his identity.

00:46:12.260 They tried with me.

00:46:12.900 In fact, get Rick Ross, the real Rick Ross, back on.

00:46:15.020 You're dead right.

00:46:16.020 Interviewed him for 20 years.

00:46:17.820 Yeah.

00:46:18.340 And taught himself to read in prison and actually fought for his own freedom.

00:46:22.540 But, yes, you're right.

00:46:23.220 than to take his name and to hand it to someone else and to say,

00:46:27.440 you know what, it's an insult to injury kind of thing.

00:46:30.940 Not only did we do this to you, not only did we use you the way that we did,

00:46:34.440 but your name belongs to us.

00:46:36.860 Well, that happened to me with The Onion and Bloomberg.

00:46:38.640 They literally, they don't just shut you down.

00:46:40.200 They create a fake you.

00:46:42.200 Yes, yes.

00:46:43.240 But I think the hilarious part of that was how horrifically unsuccessful

00:46:50.620 in a flop it was.

00:46:51.800 like they thought they were going to have this great rolling ongoing hilarious joke and nobody 0.98

00:46:57.080 thought it was funny nobody liked it at all it was like this is pathetic and weak in fact just 0.86

00:47:02.400 bring us back alex because that's what we care about anyway and you don't see in the news we're 0.78

00:47:05.700 civil rights suing them they are collapsing right now it's not in the news folks we are wrecking

00:47:11.000 that we have whistleblowers insiders cia funding i mean you can't make this up folks i learned about

00:47:17.600 this from Professor Griff

00:47:18.420 like 28 years ago.

00:47:20.360 He contacted me,

00:47:21.680 super OG rapper,

00:47:23.420 Army veteran,

00:47:23.980 you know what I mean?

00:47:24.400 He told me all this.

00:47:25.260 I'm like, what?

00:47:25.840 The CIA did this?

00:47:27.040 I'm like, okay, whatever.

00:47:28.240 And then all of a sudden,

00:47:28.880 later, I'm learning

00:47:29.440 from Dave Mustaine

00:47:30.300 and Billy Corgan.

00:47:31.100 I'm like, what?

00:47:32.380 You know, I mean,

00:47:33.620 I was told this

00:47:34.220 by Professor Griff.

00:47:35.720 I think he's still alive.

00:47:36.720 We should get

00:47:36.940 Professor Griff back on.

00:47:38.400 Do five more minutes.

00:47:39.220 Ben Swan is on fire.

00:47:41.660 Be sure and follow him

00:47:42.560 on X at BenSwan, 0.88

00:47:43.960 S-W-A-N-N.

00:47:45.440 Where else people 0.80

00:47:45.940 find you, Ben?

00:47:46.480 you can find me on Instagram

00:47:48.940 and we still have up the site

00:47:50.000 truthinmedia.com

00:47:51.420 truthinmedia.com

00:47:52.940 five more minutes

00:47:53.700 stay with us

00:47:54.380 all right Ben Schwann

00:48:04.320 is here another five minutes

00:48:05.320 incredible investigative journalist

00:48:07.520 Ben

00:48:09.200 final subject

00:48:10.740 because I know you're doing reports on this

00:48:12.480 you have

00:48:13.840 all these articles where

00:48:15.580 Oh, Trump's about to purge when they lose the midterms.

00:48:18.620 Everybody's finger pointing.

00:48:20.060 Who's to blame?

00:48:20.900 Big shakeups in the White House.

00:48:22.220 What's your intel on that?

00:48:24.100 Yeah, there's a lot going on.

00:48:25.400 You've got Stephen Miller, who's kind of in a riff right now with Jared Kushner.

00:48:29.160 He calls the Iran war Jared's folly and says that we should never have gotten into it.

00:48:33.980 And it was all Kushner who did it. 0.52

00:48:35.180 Kushner is attacking Stephen Miller, saying, well, if you hadn't been doing this Gestapo

00:48:40.060 ICE roundup everywhere, then Hispanics would still want to vote for us. 0.79

00:48:43.720 So they're attacking each other on the domestic and foreign. I love one of the articles about it says, and they're both right. But then, of course, you have the final part, which is Pete Hegseth. So Hegseth, my prediction is going to be is immediately after the midterms, Hegseth is going to be out. But it's not going to be before there is a very loud set of people from inside the Pentagon who come out against him and say he's the reason for the Iran war. 1.00

00:49:06.460 bad intelligence to the president, did not make clear to the president what was going on with

00:49:10.900 the Strait of Hormuz, which we know is not true because the Joint Chiefs Chairman did,

00:49:14.940 Tulsi Gabbard did. But they're going to say he didn't know. They're going to say he didn't know

00:49:19.040 about the munitions, and they're ready to get rid of him. So what's going to happen is Trump's got

00:49:23.780 to throw somebody overboard, and the guy who's got to go overboard is going to be Hegseth. Why?

00:49:28.060 Because he's got to get out of Iran. And one way he can get out of Iran is to say, 0.80

00:49:31.980 I was misled by my own people, incompetent people who put us in this position, and that's

00:49:38.160 why I've got to get out of it now.

00:49:40.140 Absolutely.

00:49:40.940 And the whole Stephen Miller fight that's kicking up, and I had to pick somebody, Stephen

00:49:45.660 Miller is right. 0.94

00:49:47.300 You have Don Jr. leading to the Atlantic that he's been against the Iran war.

00:49:51.340 So definitely Trump is getting ready, which is great.

00:49:54.780 Blame people, off ramp it. 0.99

00:49:56.500 My question is, the Iranians, if they hold the cards, they could be belligerent. 0.93

00:49:59.980 i would advise the iranians make a deal don't push too far yeah i think i think that you could 0.77

00:50:05.600 get a little confident and a little too much hubris i suspect i don't know this but i suspect

00:50:10.820 that's what the lavrov meeting was this week i think lavrov when he probably met with them said

00:50:15.760 listen because i think the russians are very good at knowing they have a lot of power but still

00:50:20.120 being very humble with that power uh and i think what he probably told him was look you're gonna

00:50:24.960 have a chance for an off-ramp here you can have a chance to end this thing it is better to end it

00:50:29.160 and walk away saying, look how well we did,

00:50:31.980 than if you push too far and you get hit with a nuke.

00:50:34.480 And they do come in and do something.

00:50:35.580 I was about to say, because you don't want the United States of America

00:50:37.500 to be put in a corner.

00:50:38.680 It's not good.

00:50:40.300 There's a famous story where Vladimir Putin says that as a child,

00:50:45.300 a little boy, he chased a rat and he cornered it inside of a basement.

00:50:50.560 And that the rat then turned when it was cornered and it attacked him

00:50:53.060 and it bit him all over, right?

00:50:54.460 He tells the story because he says it was his first lesson in warfare,

00:50:57.440 which was never leave your enemy without an exit. 0.75

00:51:00.520 And the problem is, is that if Iran pushes too hard and they leave the U.S. without an exit, 0.71

00:51:04.760 and the only option is walk away, embarrassable, that we escalate. 0.54

00:51:09.740 And there's been a lot of push to stop Trump from doing that.

00:51:13.120 Start over. Your Zoom broke up right at the wrong moment.

00:51:15.540 We're going to get a new system in soon.

00:51:17.520 You were saying Putin learned with the rat, leave him with an exit. 0.69

00:51:22.220 Leave him with an exit. 0.96

00:51:23.280 And the problem is, is that if the Iranians leave the U.S. with only two options, one is to be embarrassed, and the other option is to use a tactical nuke, there's going to be a real problem here. 0.90

00:51:36.140 So don't leave them with no options. 0.97

00:51:38.200 If you have the ability to end this thing, walk away as the victor.

00:51:41.180 Walk away saying, look how well we did.

00:51:42.880 No shame in that.

00:51:43.740 Iran has done very, very well.

00:51:45.940 But you can overstep and put yourself in a position where your people suffer as a result of your own hubris.

00:51:51.720 exactly if he with israel advising they need to make a deal i mean that is the smartest course

00:51:59.540 been very impressive ben swan join us again very soon look forward to coming on your show ben swan

00:52:05.200 on x again where people find you where else they find you yeah you go to truthinmedia.com and of

00:52:10.120 course on instagram it's all ben swan underscore on x and on instagram and both of those locations

00:52:15.160 as well i also want to mention real quick um if you if you look up the website to my sons and

00:52:20.500 daughters i have a podcast i just started it's not political at all but it just talks about faith

00:52:24.480 and family and trying to teach young people how to navigate the system that we're in we've just

00:52:29.040 started this recently but check that out as well it's called to my sons and daughters.com i'm a big

00:52:33.020 fan so i'm gonna be watching and listening to my sons and daughters.com yes ben talk to you soon

00:52:39.360 we'll be right back stay with me more news straight ahead incredible ben swan is knocking

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