The Alex Jones Show Live - Top UFO⧸Secret Space Program Researcher Reveals Why Trump Is Trying To Release Secret ET Files

00:00:00.000 You can't be behind that curve.

00:00:02.240 You have to be ahead of it.

00:00:03.420 So what's coming in relation to the UFO file and the threats that they've been dangling out there when they were rolling out threats during this whole period?

00:00:12.160 During COVID, when people were locked into their homes and had to be on the Internet or watching TV, whatever it was,

00:00:18.500 they started to roll out all of this TTSA junk with the UFO threat thing through Fox and all the rest of it,

00:00:24.440 showing the tic-tac, which was highly questionable in terms of UFO footage, in my opinion, by a long

00:00:29.960 shot, and also had been around since 2007. It had already been floated on YouTube in 2007.

00:00:35.760 So they're not even good releases. They just expect, as Alan Dulles did back in the CIA days,

00:00:40.580 saying, don't worry, the American public doesn't read. Well, some of us do, and we know how to

00:00:45.960 study this thing. The danger is being behind the curve, because when you're in the soup,

00:00:50.340 like with COVID, then you're really in it. And I would say the missing scientists are the canary

00:00:55.600 in the coal mine around the UFO subject, just like the missing and dead holistic doctors were

00:01:00.740 the canary in the coal mine around the COVID op. And once you're in it, forget it. There's all

00:01:04.760 kinds of things that are taking place. There's lockdowns. There's things you can't do. You're

00:01:09.220 closing restaurants. There are all sorts of things that go on that impact society. You can't wait

00:01:14.700 till you're in the soup. And this is something that I think many of your listeners have learned

00:01:19.160 over the years you have to be ahead of that curve and one of the things we've been able to do on my

00:01:22.860 show is be able to be ahead of the subject so that people coming to me now are like oh yeah

00:01:27.660 you know i remember when you were talking about this five years ago now they're rolling it out

00:01:31.580 and it seems like a dream that they're rolling it out with the threat and they're even having

00:01:35.400 people from norad and the continuity of government program starting to talk and we were able to

00:01:39.620 predict it all, because we see the pre-programming.

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00:02:19.400 want a pro-human future all right dark journalist joins us for the wall street journal you name it

00:02:25.760 author top filmmaker award-winning darkjournalist.com daniel list dark journalist on x i wanted to get

00:02:31.700 him on because he popped up for 20 minutes yesterday but he has more time to absorb

00:02:34.900 this data dump. Michikaku and others are on Fox saying the biggest thing ever, full disclosure

00:02:40.040 is coming. You know, to me, it was a nothing burger, a bunch of old videos, a few new ones,

00:02:44.460 Tic Tacs, some new documents that were interesting, a shot of a stretcher with a body bag on it.

00:02:49.580 Is there an alien in there? But the bigger issue is why are they doing this now? And just as

00:02:54.020 it's been predicted for decades and decades and decades, their critical is fear that the aliens

00:02:58.520 may attack. And there's this big fight over disclosure. And now what Liz said yesterday

00:03:03.460 They came out last night that, indeed, Trump wants more release.

00:03:05.880 He says it to be released.

00:03:07.120 The CIA is not releasing it, just like they said, bring out some of the Epstein stuff,

00:03:12.500 and then they gave them old information.

00:03:14.600 So to decipher this and break all this down is Daniel List.

00:03:18.360 We'll go through some of these clips.

00:03:20.320 But to me, the most important thing is what I can observe in my own eyes

00:03:23.500 and what the astronauts have said they've seen.

00:03:26.500 But all the ancient texts, whether it's the Mayans, the Aztecs, or 5,000, 6,000 years ago, the Egyptians, or all the other cultures in the Middle East, and what the Dogon tribe have to say, it's all the same story over and over again.

00:03:42.440 It's all not just in the book of Enoch that was pulled out of the Bible and found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, to be real, but it's in Ezekiel.

00:03:49.080 It's in Genesis.

00:03:50.340 It's everywhere, and it's just cut and dry. 1.00

00:03:52.780 But the Christian pastors are like, oh, the whole Bible's literal. 0.97

00:03:56.500 Until it's giant flying saucers landing and floating platforms with creatures with, you know, blue crystal bubbles over their head. 0.95

00:04:03.720 And, you know, it's all described and telling them about all this.

00:04:06.840 And God says that he's marooned these bad things here and you've got to watch out for them. 0.73

00:04:10.940 And then you read about the Anunnaki and you go read about all the other ancient civilizations saying the same story. 0.96

00:04:16.260 So to me, that's what's hardcore.

00:04:17.780 So Daniel List, a lot to unpack here.

00:04:20.320 Great to have you since we talked 24 hours ago.

00:04:23.060 What do we know now?

00:04:25.760 Fantastic.

00:04:26.500 to be here, Alex. And I'll tell you this, you're right on the money with this because what's going

00:04:30.680 on is they released stuff that basically is the dividing line between people who knew anything

00:04:35.000 about the UFO file and people who knew nothing about it. And the people who knew nothing about

00:04:38.980 it thought it was a release. But in fact, it is very, very dominated by stuff that's already been

00:04:44.940 in the public domain. The videos they released were, some of them were provably false and they

00:04:50.240 did that on purpose. They're leaving this wide open, but they were able to create the buzz while

00:04:55.200 not actually giving the public anything discernible in the way of real links back to the past what i

00:05:01.040 noticed was a big emphasis in there was this apollo 17 you know the sightings that they had

00:05:06.480 on apollo 17 and i put up some posts that we'll look at later but the deal is this immediately

00:05:12.000 after that jared isaacman came out and started talking about how the last time we were on the

00:05:16.480 moon was apollo 17. so the coordinating here with nasa and nasa of course holds the largest bag

00:05:23.360 the entire tranche of the ufophile images from the satellites and all the rest of it along with

00:05:27.840 the national reconnaissance office that's not the stuff that we got to see in the releases that were

00:05:32.960 going on there and it's very interesting because one of the things that the trump administration

00:05:37.200 did is they took victory day from world war ii and they used that as the day for this non-ufo

00:05:44.560 disclosure release day but um certainly that's you know again attaching the war aspect to the ufo

00:05:50.720 aspect is not good when they did the department of war and they said war.gov forward slash ufo to

00:05:57.280 get all the documents that wasn't good so you know they're attaching this war idea to the alien file

00:06:02.880 and to the ufo file aspect that's where the ufo threat comes in the total opposite of real

00:06:08.240 disclosure real disclosure would show that the cia the nro and the nga have been holding back

00:06:14.240 these files and manipulating them moving them through offices in the united states government

00:06:19.360 so that the public could never get at them through normal journalistic inquiries and the types of

00:06:24.840 things you would do like FOIAs and all the rest of it. So we're in a very squeezed situation where

00:06:29.660 Trump is trying to now retain that UFO file back under the executive branch, but is prevented from

00:06:36.200 doing it because the hold of those agencies, especially the Central Intelligence Agency,

00:06:41.020 is beyond. This is something many presidents realized once they got in the door. The CIA

00:06:45.700 a holds that power and what do you do to get it back you move in different ways to move the power

00:06:50.860 back under executive control in the case of the ufo file you have another group working between

00:06:56.520 the aerospace defense contractors and the central intelligence agency and we have to remember

00:07:01.240 certain things that there may be agencies that have been created out of the black budget that

00:07:05.460 we the public don't know anything about this is the core aspect really because we had the national

00:07:11.800 Reconnaissance Office created in 1963, actually under the JFK administration. We didn't find out

00:07:17.640 about it until three decades later. So the question is, what is the agency that's operating now that

00:07:23.640 is managing the UFO file and this disclosure while preparing the public for this UFO threat?

00:07:29.720 And we don't even know the name of the agency. Well, we need to get to who that agency is.

00:07:34.500 And the way I've identified it is through the XProtect group and the people and the sources

00:07:38.640 in the background. The thing with X-Protect is you never get to see the members up front. You're

00:07:42.680 not going to see them in front of a microphone, but you can see the people that they push up to

00:07:46.600 the microphones. And most often those people are counterintelligence people promoting a UFO threat

00:07:52.180 that we need to fight back against. Now, Trump was very honest. One of the things when he was

00:07:57.220 talking about the Golden Dome and saying, well, this is Star Wars 2. In fact, this is SDI that

00:08:02.460 Reagan wanted to do, which was a gigantic missile defense system in the 1980s. And then supposedly

00:08:08.860 when the Cold War happened, that all went away. Well, no, it went underground. And this is what

00:08:12.880 took place. The SDI program continued on. And now Trump is saying we have the technology because

00:08:17.980 you've invested in it in the public after all for the past four decades. And we could fight off the

00:08:23.060 incoming alien invasion with the $300 billion boondoggle of the Golden Dome. Now you can say

00:08:29.200 there might even be an argument for the golden dome i'm not saying it's even you know a project

00:08:33.140 that shouldn't happen but it should be very clear what it is that is a ufo defense grid no question

00:08:38.560 about it and even trump as i said has put this across now reagan when he built sdi in the first

00:08:44.420 place he was actually thinking we're under an alien invasion we're under ufo attack because

00:08:49.180 he was being shown pictures of craft that were refueling in the rings of saturn yeah it's it's

00:08:55.060 on the record the scientists have talked about him being shown those videos uh scientists norm

00:08:59.960 berger and others like that so they came forward and did this to reagan and they said oh the you

00:09:04.660 know they're moving in on us and uh mikhail gorbachev of course famously with reagan had

00:09:09.320 that conversation and revealed it many years later and said yeah he came to me and said there's an 0.75

00:09:13.380 alien threat you're going to help us fight against the ufos when they attack and he made gorbachev

00:09:18.400 in reykjavik iceland agree to actually do that so this this is the type of conversation that goes

00:09:24.180 on in the background the problem is in terms of the ufo threat aspect that is completely created

00:09:30.340 by these groups and we have never seen you know the scientists the scientific aspect of the ufo

00:09:36.280 file is the most intriguing aspect because it looks like what we have with the ufo file

00:09:40.960 are groups that are coming in and looking at things and scientifically evaluating us are those

00:09:47.500 groups human groups that are just slightly ahead of us in terms of the technology that could very

00:09:53.080 well be. And we need to be aware of this possibility that it's not all extraterrestrial

00:09:56.840 to think about it that way. However, there obviously is something relating to, for example,

00:10:02.480 our excursions into space that has to be kept secret. And part of that may be ruins on the

00:10:08.020 moon, or it may be the fact that in 1972, one of the rumored aspects is that we continued building

00:10:13.840 up, but we were actually warned off the moon by a third entity. It wasn't the Russians,

00:10:19.060 it wasn't the americans it was something else so we need to keep this in mind when we look at this

00:10:23.620 the types of things that that deep state is managing on their own if we can see through them

00:10:27.600 to the things that they're afraid of then we start to get a real handle on what's happening in terms

00:10:31.780 of these releases this is like a g-rated fluff release that came out uh yesterday and you know

00:10:37.060 some people would say it's better than nothing and i can accept that what i don't like is that

00:10:41.280 it massaged this whole idea well look at that footage right there that looks completely that

00:10:45.240 looks completely fake yes yeah oh yeah there's there's a lot of fluff that's been moved in there

00:10:52.240 and you know what's fascinating is there are fantastic and i mean fantastic video that's

00:10:57.240 available for them to release we've seen it come out in leaks in various places etc they let out

00:11:02.640 like i said basically the walt disney g-rated version of things yesterday and um there are

00:11:08.840 a few things that you can read into it that are intriguing especially the aspect like i mentioned

00:11:13.200 around what they were showing in relation to the moon aspect.

00:11:17.240 And let's get to that in a moment, but let's go back to this.

00:11:20.560 Some people are saying, well, at least they're admitting it's real now after the denial,

00:11:24.380 so that's the big move, and that this was just announcing, okay, it's real.

00:11:28.320 Now we're going to start telling you.

00:11:29.720 Well, then why did you give us something real up front?

00:11:32.180 Well, separately, stuff we said yesterday went viral.

00:11:35.220 What I said about this is clearly trying to create an alien threat.

00:11:38.440 People said, oh, where do you get this?

00:11:39.940 but they didn't watch the full show where we described how this has been well-known.

00:11:45.320 Reverend Von Braun told his assistant, wrote books about it.

00:11:48.540 They had the space program.

00:11:49.940 I mean, this goes back really to the beginning.

00:11:52.480 Oh, there's no question about it.

00:11:53.920 The Central Intelligence Agency was created right after the Roswell incident.

00:11:57.420 You know, that should link those two together forever.

00:12:00.280 And the thing is, the development over Roswell, you know, there were crashes that had happened earlier.

00:12:05.100 In fact, Cape Girardeau had happened earlier.

00:12:07.520 That was in 1941.

00:12:08.960 Same circumstances.

00:12:09.940 the craft goes down. There are small bodies. It's all covered up. And the senator that's involved

00:12:14.560 becomes the president. That's Harry Truman. So you have to understand in the background,

00:12:18.880 the UFO file is a very big, it's a lot of clout if you have anything to do with it.

00:12:24.020 That's why I thought when Trump was dealing first off, when he was coming in in 2016,

00:12:28.020 all this UFO, UAP stuff was coming up from the Hillary campaign. And it was very interesting

00:12:32.780 because often Trump would go on the stump there during the campaign and say, oh, Uncle John,

00:12:36.940 uncle john trump you know and we know very well that uncle john trump was in those programs so

00:12:42.100 you know i'm not saying that trump is some time lord wizard who knows all about the ufo file but

00:12:46.340 he might have enough information to realize oh there's a whole second system of technology and

00:12:51.400 finance that goes on here that's a secret system of finance a secret system of technology completely

00:12:56.880 run by the deep state but the way that they do it you know the money goes out the back door and in

00:13:01.600 the public we have all these gigantic deficits alex when on earth do we have the ability to ramp up

00:13:07.100 to 40 trillion dollars in debt it doesn't make any sense unless there's a secret space program

00:13:11.800 that's sucking in all that money that's right and bottom line the old system's coming to an end

00:13:15.180 they need a distraction at one level they know they can't hire anymore and as you document this

00:13:19.480 has been documented there are different competing forces you believe trump is on the side that wants

00:13:23.080 it out the expert tech group has been documented to be real you predicted if trump goes for full

00:13:28.520 disclosure, we'll see a bunch of disappearances and death. Some people like Stephen Greer was on

00:13:32.920 a few weeks ago. He said the general probably is alive. He may be scared himself and gone to

00:13:37.400 hiding. Maybe he's a bad guy. Is there any way to that? Well, I have some very deep information

00:13:42.220 about McCaslin. I've been tracking McCaslin since he disappeared. And I'll tell you this. So we know

00:13:46.480 that he was involved at Wright-Patterson with redeveloping the UFO file. It's on record through

00:13:51.860 emails sent from Tong DeLong to John Podesta that came out through WikiLeaks. So it's a fact on the

00:13:57.240 ground that he was working on these programs. And he was helping to set up an entire team to do it.

00:14:02.380 But what he was doing in the background was working with his assistant, Monica Reza,

00:14:05.560 who also disappeared. And she had developed this Mondoloy, super alloy metal. And all of

00:14:11.280 our space engines started using that starting in 2012. We didn't need the Russians anymore to go 1.00

00:14:15.920 do a launch before we were begging them just to get into space. So that group, eliminating that 0.89

00:14:21.440 group was very important because what had happened, and this was just confirmed now by

00:14:26.180 a counterintelligence agent who came forward as a whistleblower, and his name is David Grush.

00:14:31.220 I've spoken to him, and one of the things that he had to say was that McCaslin was on a hostile

00:14:38.040 witnesses list that people like Burleson and others wanted to bring forward. So he was going

00:14:44.140 to be compelled to testimony just before he disappeared. This is important because by putting

00:14:49.440 him on that list it may have made him a greater target or they may have said well we can't have

00:14:53.200 this guy out there talking about redeveloping ufos at wright patterson and at los alamos so

00:14:58.520 what are we going to do not only do we have to get rid of him we have to get rid of his team

00:15:01.940 and if you look at the missing scientists uh piece and we put some exhibits up about the

00:15:06.900 missing scientists i think it's like three or four and um the three or four is the number of

00:15:12.040 the exhibit those missing scientists were all associated with this team and they had an

00:15:17.040 administrative assistant who had a top secret clearance as well. But it was McCasland,

00:15:21.960 Monica Reza, who was his assistant, who created this patent on this amazing alloy that they got

00:15:27.380 from redeveloping UFOs. And she disappeared in June of 2025. He disappeared February 27th,

00:15:33.600 2026. And Melissa Casios, the administrative assistant who disappeared under strange

00:15:39.400 circumstances, she went missing in June also of 2025. They got rid of the entire team.

00:15:46.400 And the guy we're looking at there, Mark McClandish, is somebody who was at a secret space conference that we sponsored.

00:15:52.000 In fact, we did it in Bastrop, Alex, right up there.

00:15:55.660 And I think they have right now, they have Elon Musk has his star base there.

00:16:00.640 But we did that conference.

00:16:02.840 He came forward and McClandish had shown so many things.

00:16:06.180 One of the things he had done, and I'll see if I can get the number here of the model, but he had put up this model for what he had seen.

00:16:12.880 It's exhibit six.

00:16:13.840 Let's take a look at this, because he was an aviation illustrator who knew people inside of the military and in aerospace.

00:16:21.480 They had shown him these advanced craft, and he had detailed the look and the study of this.

00:16:25.940 This was at Norton Air Force Base in the 1990s.

00:16:29.400 Look at those craft.

00:16:30.440 They don't look like anything we've exhibited in the meantime.

00:16:32.780 Those are redeveloped.

00:16:34.180 They call them alien reproduction vehicles, or ARVs.

00:16:37.240 mcclandish was found dead uh the gentleman in question who did our conference and put many

00:16:42.620 things out about this including a documentary about the arv he died and he was found dead in

00:16:47.900 2021 of a self-inflicted shotgun wound and you'll find a whole group of scientists who die under

00:16:53.200 suspicious circumstances like that dealing with the ufo file but it's obvious uh from this and

00:16:59.600 from his flux liner that he was revealing too much he had put too much on the record you have

00:17:04.460 the same case with Amy Eskridge. She was somebody else who was in Huntsville. And her dad had worked

00:17:10.300 in very, very secret projects relating to anti-gravity. And so they were on the cusp of

00:17:15.260 something. She founded the Institute for Exotic Science. She shows up dead, self-inflicted gunshot

00:17:21.380 wound in 2022 after saying McClendish had been killed by the X-Protect group. So we need to keep

00:17:26.960 these things in mind. This is what's moving in the background. And those people receive tremendous

00:17:31.360 amounts of pressure when they're working in these projects. If we want to understand the

00:17:35.540 disappearance of Major General William Neal McClasland, we're going to have to get to his

00:17:41.040 work in the UFO file. That's what has to go before Congress. And, you know, I was happy to hear that

00:17:46.080 Luna and Burchette were doing this MKUltra hearing on May 13th. But I'll tell you, I'd be happy to

00:17:51.240 table that thing and go straight for the missing scientists in Congress. Why aren't they doing that

00:17:55.360 while the trail is hot right now? I've put the story forward. It's been picked up by Rolling

00:17:59.340 stone cnn and everybody else that's where they should be going in congress with this how are you

00:18:03.580 going to get to the bottom of it if you wait years and years to do it and just grandstand and take

00:18:07.960 selfies on twitter that's not going to do so the question is why is it all coming to a head in a

00:18:11.560 moment but first i want to go back because the crew was grabbing it uh we we have this footage

00:18:16.760 they released from a gun camera on a fighter jet and they're saying it's an anomaly you know from

00:18:21.700 the sun on the lens probably is who knows but it looks like and here's some screenshots i was put

00:18:26.440 it on screen and because other ones have been photographed that look like this you put that on

00:18:29.860 screen that'd be great and so you have things like this photograph other places and you have it in

00:18:34.600 this gun camera uh flying around looking the same uh and and then you have in all these ancient

00:18:40.400 uh medieval paintings similar things in ancient egyptian paintings similar things aztec mayan

00:18:47.260 and then now look at the movie superman when he's escaping krypton and it looks exactly like this

00:18:55.380 I just want to play a clip because they're always telling with predictive programming what they already know from Superman back in the early 1980s.

00:19:25.380 Their planet's dying because they were using the nuclear power out of it.

00:19:39.000 It's imploding.

00:19:40.180 And they send off top scientists' sun.

00:19:42.380 Everybody knows the story.

00:19:43.340 But look at the craft.

00:19:55.380 so just an interesting parallel i thought of danielus

00:20:11.200 jim absolutely and we all know that these things are run first through the movies that's why you

00:20:18.120 have spielberg out there saying june 6th this disclosure day that's when his movie is coming

00:20:22.760 out after all this is years in planning you can see it all lined up how staged it is people ask

00:20:27.300 i don't know what stage all the pr all the rollouts well uh alex you're great for tracking

00:20:33.160 the way that messages come in and how there's a fingerprint of different types of groups that are

00:20:37.620 involved if you have victory day as from world war ii as the day you release aspects of the ufo

00:20:43.760 file for disclosure what is the message that you're saying there in my opinion it's some kind

00:20:48.100 of warlike message that's saying we will triumph over the evil ufo threat and uh in the case of

00:20:53.460 these videos you know what we're looking at they call them the star uh ufos or the chandelier ufos 0.74

00:20:58.480 some people might say well you know it's a lens flare whatever it happens to be but there's no

00:21:02.260 question i've never seen a lens flare like that yeah exactly well one thing you can say for sure

00:21:08.200 also is that over the middle east the they have appeared we have seen more of these star type

00:21:14.280 images over the Middle East, which is very odd. You don't see them in places like, you know,

00:21:18.860 Japan or— And what led the three wise men to Jesus in Bethlehem but a star?

00:21:24.040 There's no question. There's no question about it. And there is, you know, there's all kinds

00:21:28.160 of things when you relate back to the Bible that incorporate this type of imagery. I mean,

00:21:32.140 even mana in the desert, something is feeding them, you know, directly out of this cigar-shaped

00:21:37.500 UFO, right? I mean, there are messages along this line, and you need to keep that in mind.

00:21:42.520 There's also the Ezekiel vision, and there's no question around this.

00:21:46.600 I think it's laced in that there's something that's been side by side with us, and it's not necessarily just an extraterrestrial aspect.

00:21:56.600 It's just something that's more advanced than we are, and there may be more than one group in relation to that.

00:22:01.100 In fact, this was studied by the Brookings Institute in 1963.

00:22:05.160 They came back and recommended to the president, you know, everything we know about UFOs don't put out there because the public can't handle it. 0.99

00:22:11.400 But that was a great excuse for these people to accumulate tremendous wealth, tremendous knowledge, tremendous technology in the background working on these black projects. 0.91

00:22:21.220 So when you get into the idea of breakaway groups, ex-tech groups, they're working with very, very sophisticated technology that the rest of the public has been left out of. 0.97

00:22:30.660 And let's be clear, a lot of the top thinkers I talk to and what I've been told is dead on, which you've alluded to many years, is that with AI and all this, if they've already broken away, then they can get control of time travel, which the AI simulation is already doing in computers faster than life.

00:22:44.480 then they would send a group forward into the future and they would obviously start coming back

00:22:49.280 and then trying to manipulate the future by the past which when google was founded in in 98 they

00:22:55.160 said the plan was to have a giant neural interface giant cyborg with the computers plugged into

00:23:00.220 billions of people not just so they could predict the future but then manipulate stimuli and even

00:23:04.540 control the present into the future and then finally be able to even jump back in the past

00:23:08.980 to control the future that way.

00:23:11.520 Well, it's fascinating.

00:23:12.620 You don't even need time travel for it

00:23:14.640 because when you have a group of psychics

00:23:16.920 or remote viewers who can do this type of activity,

00:23:20.140 they would have the ability

00:23:21.200 to project themselves into the future.

00:23:22.840 How many people do we know,

00:23:24.660 you know, from Nostradamus to Edgar Cayce and others

00:23:27.440 who were able to see this is what's going to happen.

00:23:29.780 You know, there's going to be earth changes.

00:23:30.980 There's going to be world wars.

00:23:32.040 There's going to be these different things that come in.

00:23:34.080 They are the modern day prophets, right?

00:23:36.160 And this is the nature of the thing.

00:23:37.480 the whole idea of prophecy, even revelation is a prophecy. He's looking forward. So he's going

00:23:42.140 across time. So in a consciousness sense, they go straight across time. The idea of deliberate

00:23:47.360 actual time travel was brought up by T.T. Brown. And I spoke to his daughter, that's Thomas Townsend

00:23:52.760 Brown, one of those deepest, blackest project scientists that was going on. And he had a 1.00

00:23:57.680 tremendous conscience for the work that he was doing. And the people like Curtis LeMay and

00:24:02.340 others who were forcing him to use it for military means really caused his conscience to have a great

00:24:07.380 deal of problems but one of the things that he said when he was working with his assistants

00:24:11.800 uh and she she told me about this conversation that they had he asked him do you think that

00:24:16.580 you know time travel exists to the assistant and the assistant said yeah i absolutely think

00:24:21.160 there is time travel and he said what would you do if you could go back in time and he said oh

00:24:25.740 i'd save my sister and the assistant's daughter uh sister had died in a drowning accident when

00:24:32.420 she was five or six and he said i would go back and save her and tt brown looked at him and said

00:24:37.540 well there's rules in place against doing that so you know that's very interesting that he even went

00:24:44.680 to that point but he had developed something and this is this is open to interpretation but go

00:24:50.160 ahead no no i was listening to you and i thought i was talking back telling the crew roll more of

00:24:54.900 the videos they released uh yesterday so many of so many of which i was asking you next we've

00:25:00.820 already seen so again just like i predicted which wasn't hard to do this is the same people doing it

00:25:06.520 just like they gave us old epstein stuff and held up the binders that only enrages people what what

00:25:11.520 is the point of that and again back to the bigger question why is that why are they doing this now

00:25:15.780 well that's a gigantic pr exercise if you compare it on the epstein side it's also very interesting

00:25:22.040 because they get people to compete against one thing or the other and so when somebody talks

00:25:26.420 about epstein they say well they should look into ufos or if they talk about ufos they say oh there's

00:25:30.360 a distraction from the epstein files but all of it's ridiculous all of it should be out there

00:25:34.540 there's room for all of these subjects bring them forward there's no one thing that needs to well

00:25:38.800 that's the key thing you said i noticed on the internet and i love the people so i follow what's

00:25:42.020 happening with them not a minority i mean i'm not a majority but still a big minority get mad and

00:25:47.480 territorialize only one subject when you cover other subjects that are older connected they

00:25:51.500 get mad and say you're covering up no you have to have a full field analysis unified filter to

00:25:55.840 even understand this yesterday everything it is you walk and chew gum at the same time when you're

00:26:00.700 studying these things and here's the thing we've been under the balkanization of the independent

00:26:04.500 media now it's crowded in with corporate money you know i've done the studies through fortune

00:26:08.580 magazine and through others you have all kinds of money rolling into these podcasts and they are

00:26:13.820 about as independent as you know people who are lobbyists for the white house i mean this is

00:26:19.620 ridiculous they're not independent at all you know and the thing is the money that's rolling in there

00:26:24.140 tremendous because they see oh the mainstream media their message has failed they can't keep 0.91

00:26:28.780 this block in place around the ufo file we need to move into the podcast space and we need to distract

00:26:34.460 and that's what they've been doing and they do have incredible obfuscation operations you know

00:26:38.860 you remember our our late friend jim mars who wrote tremendous books back in the day one of

00:26:43.900 the things that he told me is the greatest tool that they have at their disposal uh working you

00:26:49.820 know in the background for the deep state is obfuscation that is flooding the zone and that

00:26:55.100 part of that flooding the zone going on is putting out a lot of wrong information in relation to ufos

00:27:00.700 and it's funny because you know you and i look at a lot of this stuff and we say oh you know here

00:27:05.100 they are talking about oh there was a craft that sighted over maury island in 1947 you know anyone

00:27:11.500 who knows the subject understands that this took place you know it's just that they're rolling this

00:27:15.660 out and pretending oh here's this great big disclosure for you these are things that were

00:27:19.840 available in fact in you know the late 1990s or the 2000s so um you know a lot of this is an iq test

00:27:27.680 it's a stress test to see what it really is because they release a bunch of old stuff like

00:27:32.360 they're revealing it and they're just finding out who is a newbie who doesn't understand all of this

00:27:36.920 and then we have all the hollywood movies and all the pre-packaging and like you said close

00:27:41.760 encounters a third time and obviously a propagandist for the system steven spielberg now

00:27:48.040 multi-years of production for this perfect time releasing it in june telling me we should see a

00:27:54.420 peak and some cresting around there because this is so pre-programmed what do you think

00:27:57.560 oh there's no question about it and not only that but you know you have the top gun maverick people

00:28:03.280 doing their own version of a ufo movie they have the ufo whistleblowers like grush and these other

00:28:08.700 people who work with the melon the dod billionaire is controlling a lot of this they're in the

00:28:13.100 background rolling out these movies they just did a new bob lazar movie and all the rest of it with

00:28:17.660 big hollywood productions they're moving into it because what they decided at a certain point

00:28:21.820 they had really thrown a lot of spaghetti against the wall in the podcast field and they didn't feel

00:28:25.660 that they got in my opinion the buzz that they were looking for they leapfrogged over the

00:28:29.900 investigative process and they went straight for hollywood which isn't going to ask any questions

00:28:34.380 after all. And the podcast space, a lot of these people who would come on these programs and talk

00:28:38.800 about, you know, I was in this program, I was in that program. Nobody would ask them a tough

00:28:42.560 question. And then when I went into their backgrounds, you know, a lot of them were CIA

00:28:46.440 counterintelligence people. Well, they're the best trained liars on the planet. Why would you believe 0.96

00:28:50.480 those guys around the UFO file? And so there's a real knowledge gap that's going on there. I think

00:28:56.360 the way to solve it is something that you've pointed out. And I think it reflects the danger

00:29:00.620 of the current time and the place that we're in because one of the things you've pointed out is

00:29:05.180 you can't be behind that curve you have to be ahead of it so what's coming in relation to the

00:29:10.600 ufo file and the threats that they've been dangling out there when they were rolling out threats

00:29:15.620 during this whole period during covid when people were locked into their homes and had to be on the

00:29:21.200 internet or watching tv whatever it was they started to roll out all of this ttsa junk with

00:29:26.940 the UFO threat thing through Fox and all the rest of it showing the tic-tac, which was highly

00:29:31.680 questionable in terms of UFO footage, in my opinion, by a long shot, and also had been around

00:29:36.580 since 2007. It had already been floated on YouTube in 2007. So they're not even good releases. They

00:29:42.740 just expect, as Alan Dulles did back in the CIA days, saying, don't worry, the American public

00:29:47.520 doesn't read. Well, some of us do, and we know how to study this thing. The danger is being behind

00:29:53.800 the curve because when you're in the soup like with covid then you're really in it and i would

00:29:58.380 say the missing scientists are the canary in the coal mine around the ufo subject just like the

00:30:03.280 missing and dead holistic doctors were the canary in the coal mine around the covid op and once

00:30:08.520 you're in it forget it there's all kinds of things that are taking place there's lockdowns you know

00:30:13.160 there's things you can't do you're closing restaurants there are all sorts of things that

00:30:16.880 go on that impact society you can't wait till you're in the soup and this is something that

00:30:22.320 i think many of your listeners have learned over the years you have to be ahead of that curve and

00:30:26.460 one of the things we've been able to do on my show is be able to be ahead of the subject so

00:30:30.960 that people coming to me now are like oh yeah you know i remember when you were talking about this

00:30:34.680 five years ago now they're rolling it out and it seems like a dream that they're rolling it out

00:30:38.800 with the threat and they're even having people from norad and the continuity of government

00:30:42.940 program starting to talk and we were able to predict it all which as we see the pre-programming

00:30:47.000 speaking of jim march what a good friend uh and what makes me mad about being censored is most

00:30:51.400 our archive was on YouTube and on Instagram and on Facebook.

00:30:55.940 So I'm even trying to find like films we made,

00:30:58.040 deathbed confession of E. Howard Hunt, you know,

00:31:00.300 running the, you know, killing Kennedy.

00:31:01.840 It's all erased.

00:31:02.880 We've got it on hard drives.

00:31:03.720 We've got to put it back up.

00:31:04.720 But I'm trying to find all these documentaries we made,

00:31:06.600 us in the field, UFO investigations, you name it.

00:31:08.900 And I can't find it.

00:31:09.800 The crew can't find it either.

00:31:10.480 Just to show it's all been expunged.

00:31:11.660 We'll find it re-uploaded.

00:31:13.120 But it just, what a precious guy, Jim Mars.

00:31:15.000 Talk a little bit about him.

00:31:16.060 I mean, he was working at the Fort Worth Star-Telegram

00:31:17.640 when Kennedy was killed.

00:31:18.920 he went to the same incredible club strip bar you know in a nightclub with jack ruby he reported on

00:31:25.400 it when it happened i mean what a living legend he was well he was fantastic and you know some

00:31:31.420 of his best shows were those shows that he did with you and he would come in studio and i i

00:31:35.760 remember those and they were classic they got me thinking all kinds of things when mars was on

00:31:39.720 when i got to know him i had done a documentary and he he got in touch with me about it and we

00:31:44.960 did a series of interviews but i didn't realize that he was so astute and had written alien agenda

00:31:50.620 and other books relating to the ufo file this guy was remarkable and he understood that they

00:31:55.600 were using the same techniques from the deep state side of covering up uh you know in relation to who

00:32:01.880 was the real shooters the groups that were involved the central intelligence agency etc he was so far

00:32:06.680 ahead of the game and when it got into the ufo file he started to see the same types of tactics

00:32:11.800 So that was a real warning bell.

00:32:13.460 And he told me that the groups that were involved around the UFO file were also involved in genetic manipulation and that I should look into things like cloning and that I should look into things on the genetic side.

00:32:26.340 I thought that was the thing because I was rereading some of his books a few years ago.

00:32:29.500 God, he had died like already 10 years ago.

00:32:30.840 What a sweetheart, eight years ago.

00:32:32.560 But just a great Texan, great friend, knew his wife well, knew his mom, all of them.

00:32:37.240 And we hung out a lot.

00:32:38.440 We come to town, we go to dinner, we drink some beer together.

00:32:41.520 He was just awesome.

00:32:42.960 A real, it's just that the nostalgia of 32 years on air

00:32:46.260 constantly reminded all these amazing people.

00:32:49.360 Well, so what would he think about what's happening right now?

00:32:52.680 Can you imagine what Mars would be dealing with?

00:32:55.320 He would know exactly what the government was up to,

00:32:58.020 staging a threat and how basically the consolidation of power,

00:33:01.300 the authoritarian aspects were kicking in here.

00:33:04.680 But what you're talking about also is this human connection

00:33:07.100 on the research side.

00:33:08.140 And you really brought that out by bringing on the best people and working with the best people and delivering on the subject.

00:33:14.480 So whether it was 9-11 or the COVID op and all these things that have happened, the financial coup d'etat.

00:33:19.680 Well, Jeremy, I could have easily had people on that said they saw reptoids or this and they never have any proof.

00:33:23.640 He was like a real guy actually off the documents and what did he prove?

00:33:27.940 There's no question about it.

00:33:29.280 That's very important because there's an easy pop-click world out there right now, which is plug in the podcast.

00:33:34.940 And what's going on with that field is very interesting because, you know, there's tremendous promise in the idea of an independent media that could do that.

00:33:41.280 But I've read and, you know, I've done my research on the backside of this.

00:33:45.600 This is Fortune magazine going into it and saying, well, they're moving $95 million behind this podcast and 14 producers.

00:33:52.880 Do you think that I think that that's independent when they do that? 0.93

00:33:55.460 That's ridiculous.

00:33:56.700 So, you know, you can see when things have a background and they start up. 0.64

00:34:00.560 think about your own beginnings on radio and how it grew into this whole worldwide movement around

00:34:05.880 people. And then you see these things pop in out of nowhere and they have tremendous, you know,

00:34:10.180 they have Sam Altman behind them and they have tremendous, you know, technical abilities and

00:34:15.700 all this stuff going on and 14 producers telling the people what to say and them reading off

00:34:20.120 transponders. It's very interesting when I've been doing the missing scientist report, the,

00:34:24.780 what I consider, you know, the disinformation side of this has been putting out an ex

00:34:28.600 fbi woman and she's been trying to refute the points and all this stuff and it's very funny

00:34:33.860 because when i look at her research she gets so many details wrong but they don't care as long

00:34:38.620 as they have this counter line going on you know recently atlantic magazine came out and said oh

00:34:43.960 this missing scientist thing you know it's ridiculous to even think about it and for the

00:34:48.280 sake of the families don't even look into it because you're upset it's always for the families

00:34:52.560 yes we're not supposed to question anything or next we're pissing on their graves

00:34:57.240 and they just make it up.

00:34:59.360 Now, looking at these videos they released yesterday

00:35:01.500 and the photos and some old reports,

00:35:04.340 overall, what's the stretcher with a body bag on it?

00:35:07.540 But I'm not an expert like you,

00:35:09.140 but when we see this Tic Tac flying

00:35:12.620 with something hanging off of it,

00:35:14.640 from my own research, that's probably a human craft

00:35:17.980 or one of these rebuilds.

00:35:20.300 Did you see anything that looks like alien

00:35:22.160 or is it all just rehashed human technology or copies?

00:35:27.240 No, I think there's very advanced drone activity now that we've learned how to mimic how the UFOs go.

00:35:33.040 There is tremendous, you know, I can point you to a 1977 video that blows everything away in terms of what they released yesterday.

00:35:42.400 But I would say that nonetheless, for an average person, it's interesting to look at these things that move in unfamiliar ways and that literally have none of the, you know, they don't respond or correspond to anything having to do with the laws of aerodynamics.

00:35:55.740 That's a fact.

00:35:56.660 I think a lot of this has been redeveloped, and I believe they're releasing the safe stuff.

00:36:01.020 In terms of what they have, what they're able to show is absolutely incredible.

00:36:05.260 They have footage of actual motherships.

00:36:07.540 They have footage of craft going up to the motherships after taking vegetable samples and plant samples and all this other stuff.

00:36:15.080 And then they have video of going over to the vegetable and plant samples and seeing the whole area.

00:36:19.860 By the way, that is some of the documents in the release I saw.

00:36:22.960 But exactly, they're talking about, you know, going back to even Eisenhower and stuff,

00:36:27.420 the things landing, little men getting off, ships going up to bigger ships.

00:36:31.860 But even when I was out in Big Ben last year, when it was a clear sky,

00:36:35.280 and again, I'm out there with binoculars and stuff, the iPhone wouldn't zoom enough to get it.

00:36:39.260 You see the satellites come across.

00:36:40.660 Everybody knows what that is.

00:36:41.500 It just goes in a straight line.

00:36:42.500 Yes.

00:36:42.980 But, I mean, I would see, like, little red lights, and they would run around and chase each other

00:36:46.900 and zip off, little white ones.

00:36:48.700 And, again, it's the orbs, the orbs, the orbs.

00:36:50.520 And like you said, there's film footage in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and people out on ships, you name it, here come the orbs.

00:36:56.560 So we know this is here, and we know it's in all the ancient texts.

00:36:59.720 So regardless, there's definitely something here.

00:37:02.940 Well, there's a very famous case, actually, from a Japanese pilot who was flying Alaska Airlines.

00:37:09.480 And he's going from Alaska to Japan, and he's looking, and he said, there's a craft beneath me that's bigger than two football fields.

00:37:16.800 And all of his audio is available.

00:37:18.580 It's still one of these classic cases, unexplained.

00:37:21.140 But if you look really deep into that case, what you're going to see is he's looking down and he says at a certain point, oh, I can see through it.

00:37:28.860 So what does that mean?

00:37:30.320 It means the thing that he's looking at is not completely here necessarily.

00:37:34.780 So it's popped in with a technology from somewhere else, but it's not fully here because he can see through it.

00:37:40.820 So he can see to the other side.

00:37:41.940 He can see the sky below it.

00:37:43.380 And by the way, I'm interrupting you only because I haven't seen this footage.

00:37:45.940 I guess I haven't watched it, although they're telling me this is from the data release yesterday.

00:37:50.140 It was literally hazy a week and a half ago, 4.30 a.m., get a cup of coffee, can't sleep,

00:37:55.760 go out, had a half-smoked cigar, fire it up, and I'm literally, I'm just being graphic.

00:38:01.180 Here's what's happening.

00:38:01.580 I'm peeing on a tree in the backyard, and I see this big stony meteorite go,

00:38:06.520 biggest I've ever seen, like it was like a comet, boom, and I went, oh, there'll be more.

00:38:10.780 And it's sure if another little one came in, all of a sudden I saw exactly, look, hazy sky,

00:38:14.640 everything just but that's what came out was like 10 or 15 of them they went around little circles

00:38:19.180 like they were acclimating and then they all just zipped off it went like 20 seconds I mean what

00:38:24.200 what I literally saw that a week and a half ago remember I described that to you last week before

00:38:27.940 this came out that's what I saw what is that wow incredible you know I will tell you this when it

00:38:34.760 comes to this type of things that people are seeing and the things that you saw and also the

00:38:39.840 fact that it seems to have a swarm around a particular area i know that when you were telling

00:38:44.720 this about austin i was getting all these emails from people right in that area saying this is what

00:38:49.740 we're seeing so it's remarkable i put up an exhibit there about jeff bezos and his new company

00:38:56.200 neo hunter and the neo hunter is all about hunting down asteroids and suddenly we had this whole

00:39:02.980 flood of these fireballs now they know the fireball activity is increasing something and i believe it

00:39:08.960 could be a planetary object is dragging itself into the system and it has all this junk coming

00:39:13.720 along with it and they are aware of this and they're way on top of it and so we are looking

00:39:18.980 around and seeing all these fireballs and seeing what's going on with that and that could have i

00:39:22.340 mean i'm purely speculating here but i swear on my soul this is absolutely true like i told you

00:39:27.420 the story like a month ago i'm out there early morning nine red lights clearly human just looks

00:39:32.200 like standard drones but i can't make them out but they're low they go out like a mile or so

00:39:36.240 and then merge into a white light and then disappear.

00:39:38.980 And then I was in Mexico before and saw something similar,

00:39:43.000 like a display at a hotel.

00:39:43.900 So that was a human standard commercial drone.

00:39:45.840 Why is it flying around at 5 a.m. over West Austin?

00:39:48.680 So I knew what that was.

00:39:50.020 Then again, like a week and a half, two weeks ago, I'm out there,

00:39:52.700 and I was describing how it could have been a meteorite, a spaceship,

00:39:56.780 maybe it was interdimensional, had a field around it,

00:39:58.360 this big blue-gray thing, but it just kind of went like a dud,

00:40:01.900 like a white flash.

00:40:03.940 And I was like, God, I ever saw a stone meteor like that, but that's – and then I saw exactly like on that footage they just showed they released yesterday, they just kind of milled around out of where the explosion happened, and then like more appeared, and then just – and they went year, year, and – and so that's why it was so eerie because it looked just like little white dots, but I wasn't watching this on Fox News or in some government database.

00:40:28.480 I saw it with my own eyeballs.

00:40:29.840 And exactly like you said, that's what other people are saying is that when these explosions happen,

00:40:34.020 when these fireballs come in, it's been caught on tape, things come out of them and then leave.

00:40:37.520 So is it interdimensional delivery coming in to our dimension?

00:40:40.620 Is it a mothership?

00:40:42.500 What is it?

00:40:43.580 Do you have any idea?

00:40:46.020 One of the things, well, what's interesting is the pattern that you're talking about is something that's been tracked before

00:40:50.980 when three or four of them show up and then they unite into one object and take off.

00:40:55.400 I find that's interesting.

00:40:56.300 There's a fascinating case called the Allagash case where this group was abducted up in the Allagash in Maine.

00:41:02.600 And I talked to one of the guys, Charlie Foltz, and he said, well, the first thing that they saw was these objects.

00:41:07.300 And then they all merged into one big moon object.

00:41:09.740 And then they lost their memory for six hours.

00:41:12.220 They had a gigantic bonfire that was going on.

00:41:14.540 The bonfire went out, and they didn't have any memory for years about what had happened to them.

00:41:18.840 Later, they figured out they had been abducted.

00:41:20.900 And the way that they described the beings that had abducted them, they literally said to me, oh, this thing looks like a bug, but it was wearing something like spandex.

00:41:30.460 And it's very interesting because if you look into the history around the study on this, the physicist Robert Sarbacher, who was right up there with Oppenheimer before they wrote him out of the books for talking about these things, he said, oh, we had studied the UFO file.

00:41:44.580 We had looked at the craft.

00:41:45.560 We had redeveloped the craft and seen it was far beyond anything of the technical capabilities that we had.

00:41:50.540 but the beings inside we studied them we figured out somebody had constructed them and they had

00:41:56.020 constructed them to be insect-like to deal with all the incredible g-force and all the other

00:42:01.260 things that would completely wipe out so they're a biomechanical android biomechanical android yes

00:42:06.840 no question about it and uh one of the things i would say though it's interesting with how you're

00:42:12.180 looking at these things when you see this craft and stuff like that it's very interesting to me

00:42:16.340 because you talk about how you feel when you see it.

00:42:19.320 That's how you generally can decide

00:42:21.300 what a genuine UFO encounter is

00:42:23.980 versus some drone running around.

00:42:25.540 The feeling is different.

00:42:27.340 And I'll tell you, of all people,

00:42:28.580 the celebrity Dan Aykroyd talks about this

00:42:30.700 because he saw this incredible wave

00:42:34.580 where he was living in upstate New York.

00:42:36.340 And he came out at a certain point,

00:42:38.580 was looking outside of his house

00:42:39.780 and he saw this incredible craft that was going by.

00:42:43.120 And so it's very interesting to see

00:42:44.660 a lot of the celebrities coming out

00:42:45.960 and talking, feeling like they can talk about these experiences. One of them, which I think

00:42:49.920 would be very interesting, and I think he should come on and talk to you about it, is Kurt Russell

00:42:54.120 because Kurt Russell, as we know, is a pilot as well as an actor.

00:42:58.340 I love Kurt Russell. I'd love to get Kurt Russell on.

00:43:01.080 Yeah, absolutely. Well, he was a pilot and he saw the Phoenix lights. He witnessed the entire craft

00:43:06.660 and he said, well, you know, I haven't ever talked about this really, but, you know, because I saw

00:43:11.080 this gigantic craft hovering over Phoenix when I was a pilot, I know the story's real. Well,

00:43:15.640 that's pretty remarkable testimony and it's very interesting to note goldie hahn his long-time

00:43:21.300 girlfriend she just recounted an entire experience that she had where she had been abducted in the

00:43:27.960 1960s and they you know it's very strange because very often you will find people who have ufo

00:43:33.480 encounters they will end up you know either being related or they'll end up in marriages or whatever

00:43:39.420 it is and they both have a history of this type of activity and here we are with these celebrities

00:43:44.000 is doing it so i think one more question on that i'm purely speculating because i know i saw a giant

00:43:49.200 what looked like stone meteorite but i mean normally you see even a big one it's like flick

00:43:52.800 and then the stone eats up and then explodes and then it's gone and you can tell what it's a metal

00:43:58.380 meteorite it does different because it just keeps on coming like nickel maybe it's something in this

00:44:04.160 dimension that whatever came through was triggered because they were like flying around like bees

00:44:08.900 around it maybe they were grabbing what was coming out of it maybe they were the response to it or

00:44:13.380 maybe they didn't come from it i'm purely speculating that is absolutely fascinating

00:44:18.080 they went um in world war ii we had something when we were doing our military exercises called

00:44:23.920 the mothership and the mothership would be you know basically the place that all aircraft carriers

00:44:29.060 and other things that would come back to it and they use the terminology in secret ufo documents

00:44:34.320 when they were studying at the robertson panel and some of these other groups project grudge

00:44:37.980 they were like you know there seems to be these large cigar shaped motherships and then these

00:44:42.380 smaller craft so what was going on it's very interesting in that period of time we were

00:44:46.900 developing and part of the secret space program development we're creating craft just for the

00:44:51.560 purposes of chasing ufos to get more detail about what they were but they were so fast

00:44:56.240 and they were so you know basically beyond our own capability that the astronauts who were involved

00:45:02.020 later went on the record and said those things could imitate anything that we were doing and

00:45:07.060 they would mimic us so the intelligence is just like if they were flying some kind of formation

00:45:11.620 on the pilot side the ufos would start imitating their formation and then they would zoom out of

00:45:16.520 sight and disappear within half of a second so um you know they're aware and it's almost like

00:45:22.120 they're they play with the people that are out there flying and our first exposure to it so

00:45:27.920 there's no question yeah just like we would play with a kitten or or a beetle yes right exactly

00:45:34.900 and i want to put this on the record so people can check this out you know there's a whole thing

00:45:39.600 way back there in the 1980s where granada was invaded that little tiny island off there if you

00:45:46.020 go back and check out the statements by the president of granada he had petitioned with

00:45:51.560 gemini astronaut gordon cooper the un in 1978 and 1979 just before this invasion that we should

00:45:59.880 acknowledge these off-world visitors we should acknowledge the ufo file and all the rest of it

00:46:04.720 And that he had had craft, land, and crash in the island of Granada.

00:46:11.580 Well, it's very interesting because the island of Granada was our first military exercise in the Reagan administration of any merit.

00:46:19.140 And they actually moved in very strangely into this thing where they said, oh, a hospital is being taken over.

00:46:24.520 That is a huge missing chapter in the whole UFO.

00:46:28.100 Yeah, were they really retrieving craft?

00:46:29.640 So in closing, and I appreciate your incredible time, darkjournalist.com on ex-darkjournalist, Daniel West.

00:46:35.860 I know you like to speculate, but big picture with the different factions, clearly they're getting ready for something big.

00:46:40.380 They're hyping the alien invasion.

00:46:41.840 They're lining for something big in June with Steven Spielberg's movie.

00:46:45.400 What could it be?

00:46:46.680 What could we expect?

00:46:48.300 Is the expert tech group, the bad guys, are they happy or are they on their heels right now?

00:46:54.360 You know, just big picture.

00:46:55.860 Obviously, this roller coaster is just climbing up to the top.

00:46:59.380 We're not even there yet.

00:47:00.560 What will it be like once we go down the roller coaster?

00:47:03.840 Yeah, that's the problem.

00:47:05.540 It's the nature of the problem.

00:47:06.720 You can see when they do the drone swarms and they, you know, when they did that whole thing in New Jersey, et cetera, those are ex-protect exercises.

00:47:13.580 And those types of things happen.

00:47:15.220 They're related to NORAD.

00:47:16.580 They're related to the continuity of government program.

00:47:18.620 The risk is if they think that they can get away to a gullible public of pulling a sky event UFO threat, they were in a tremendously bad situation.

00:47:28.060 because you know if you study continuity of government all they have to do is flip the switch

00:47:32.040 the president is out there you have the head of norad he becomes the cog combatant commander he's

00:47:39.040 also the head of northcom he's a three-time loser and that's so there's no doubt this is like the

00:47:43.860 fire actually break an emergency they admit they've definitely got a fake ufo invasion they 0.59

00:47:48.520 think they're about to be knocked out of control yeah exactly and i think they've looked at cog for

00:47:53.480 a couple of different reasons including you know cyber threats and things like that but the ufo

00:47:57.360 event they've been building up for eight decades and there's a group inside there that thinks they

00:48:01.240 can pull it off and maintain the secrecy remember the whole thing is about maintaining the secrecy

00:48:05.960 so when they let things like this out and they get they let the press talk about it they're

00:48:09.780 gal lighting they're preparing the ground yeah yes there's no question about it and i'll tell

00:48:14.520 you this they have that atomic clock that moves closer to midnight about when they think there's

00:48:18.740 going to be a nuclear exchange i think that uh with the release of the ufo files we've just moved

00:48:24.200 closer to midnight in terms of the ufo threat being activated because there's a group back there

00:48:30.200 ultimately in the background they know things are coming out and they're going to have to co-op the

00:48:34.480 entire message around the ufo file they've been preparing for it in the background they've been

00:48:39.120 hoarding the technology in the aerospace companies in the defense contractors and that is completely

00:48:44.740 anti-constitutional it's extra constitutional activity and they've been able to get away with

00:48:49.840 it because they've had the help of the intelligence agencies but if they are able to pull off a

00:48:54.140 ufo threat if they get trump in the golden dome shooting at ufos and all the rest of it then

00:48:59.200 you're in the soup then it is that's the downside of the escalator you're talking about and we can

00:49:03.380 stop that for sure by putting this before congress and just raising our own awareness around it and

00:49:08.020 putting the message out all right a few minutes left thank you for your time on this saturday

00:49:12.500 i've asked a lot of questions in the last 45 minutes what else do you want to impart that

00:49:16.960 people haven't looked at haven't haven't talked about i keep going back to the missing scientist

00:49:22.580 his story because um you know we we launched the story after the death of nuna larero who was up

00:49:28.420 here and the technology that he was working on he was the head of the mit plasma lab now if you know

00:49:34.580 there's a lot of people in the ufo community who are studying plasma as a possible explanation for

00:49:39.380 how these ufos are operating and the kind of consciousness level of the plasma etc well he

00:49:45.120 was engaged in very advanced uh experiments around plasma but he was working on something

00:49:50.360 i found out about that wasn't listed in his resume and that was the neutron star merger neutron star

00:49:57.100 merger literally this is somebody who wanted to take a little piece of a black hole about the

00:50:02.620 size of some dice and put it in the laboratory recreate the effects you can only imagine the

00:50:08.800 types of possibilities if you can create a black hole in your laboratory they had this whole thing

00:50:14.300 about the shooter who came up to get him and he shot up brown university first claudio valente

00:50:20.980 he comes up here to brookline and then he shoots lorero and then suddenly we have this massive

00:50:27.100 wave of missing or dead scientists so the lorero case is very key and crucial by the time you get

00:50:33.580 to february 27th of this year with the disappearance of mccaslin who was redeveloping the ufo file

00:50:39.160 this is in fact the real story and it's funny when they say well is there a distraction going

00:50:43.700 on with them putting out the ufo information before you know it's time that was going to come

00:50:48.080 out in july they moved it up to may uh in my opinion the only distraction that could be going

00:50:52.700 on is they may want to distract from this missing scientist story because those people are deeply

00:50:57.380 involved in black budget technology and black projects that aren't anywhere you know there's

00:51:03.080 nowhere there's no paper trail for them and when people go looking for it they're like oh well you

00:51:07.520 know i can't find this program the government the cia i asked them they said it doesn't exist 0.98

00:51:11.640 well, if you end your investigation there, it's absolute idiocy. Any kind of a journalist, 0.97

00:51:17.560 any kind of reporting at all is going to realize, oh, this is a secret black project. I need to 1.00

00:51:22.320 figure out the dots by connecting the people that are involved. In this case, we're just lucky in

00:51:27.040 the case of McCaslin. But because we have the WikiLeaks email that shows he was related

00:51:31.840 directly to the redevelopment of the advanced properties exotic technology inside the UFO file.

00:51:36.940 so we know that we know that he was involved with those programs therefore the fact that he's missing

00:51:42.720 it should be like one of our major nuclear scientists is missing you know and the activities

00:51:47.800 of those scientists again taking their phones wiping them out leaving them behind looks like

00:51:53.820 they're not being killed they're disappearing well i know this i heard this early on before

00:51:57.220 we got elected the first time 10 years ago and he's made statements like this he wants to release

00:52:02.160 He says all the forbidden disruptive technology, he wants innovation.

00:52:06.720 And I think in many ways, with drugs and everything else, he's been set up with that.

00:52:09.680 He has tried that.

00:52:11.180 And so I think that's really legitimate.

00:52:12.620 I think that's the answer to grow our way out of this debt.

00:52:14.680 But the globalists don't want that.

00:52:16.320 I want to play you a clip from Fox News with an interview of one of these famous scientists.

00:52:21.940 And he's saying, no, this is a great thing.

00:52:23.620 They're finally going to bring it all out.

00:52:24.880 He believes this is just the first sign that the big news is not the nothing burger. 0.50

00:52:29.300 I guess that's Mijikaku who always says his name wrong in Japanese.

00:52:32.160 He's saying the big mission is the government admitting, at least it's real, that that is huge.

00:52:36.480 I want to get your take on it.

00:52:37.080 Here it is.

00:52:39.380 Dr. Michio Kaku is a theoretical physicist.

00:52:42.860 Doctor, on a scale of 1 to 10, how excited are you about this UFO release?

00:52:49.300 I would put it at a 10 because we're at a turning point.

00:52:52.600 For decades, we had to rely upon eyewitness accounts of housewives, truck drivers, people would snicker and laugh at them.

00:53:00.700 Now we're talking about huge files that are top secret that for the first time in modern history are being given to the American public.

00:53:10.440 So I'd like to congratulate President Trump for having the nerve to go against recommendations by the FBI and the CIA to release these files so that independent researchers, scientists can go over them.

00:53:24.580 And we can make up our own minds rather than having the CIA make up our minds.

00:53:30.140 And the CIA apparently is still fighting the full release.

00:53:33.560 When you hear or see about a UFO that goes like that, up, down, left, right, at 90 degree angles so fast you can't even believe it, what does that tell you?

00:53:43.760 It tells me that the laws of satirical force should crush the bones of the people inside the flying saucer.

00:53:52.160 So either there is basically an automated flying saucer, so there are no bones to crack as the thing goes zigzagging left and right, or it represents a very high level of intelligence to create something like that.

00:54:06.140 So in other words, we humans cannot get into a spaceship that goes zigzagging like that.

00:54:11.120 Only aliens can, but even their bones would break.

00:54:14.420 So it must be a very high level of automated computer technology.

00:54:19.180 So he almost convinced me there.

00:54:21.200 We know this is a nothing better for people that are informed, but the government admission of all this, that is a big deal.

00:54:27.220 Absolutely.

00:54:27.900 Well, Trump deserves a lot of credit for saying back in February, right before the general disappeared, by the way, that he wanted to put all this out.

00:54:35.160 So he does get credit on that.

00:54:36.920 The problem is actually not with Trump on the UFO file, oddly enough, unless he's being talked into the war aspect by Hegseth and others, which would be a big mistake.

00:54:47.200 And combining UFOs with the war aspect is the ultimate trap.

00:54:51.200 But Trump, I think, has moved and has taken advice saying, well, this would be good to move some of this front and center because it hits out at a number of groups, including the defense contractors like Lockheed Martin and others who are so independent now of the government.

00:55:06.580 And he actually tried to pull Lockheed Martin with a purchase of stock underneath the executive branch, which was also remarkable.

00:55:13.440 it didn't work but you can see the efforts to restore just like the space force something back

00:55:19.280 under the executive branch to have control over the ufo file lost over 60 years ago and this is

00:55:25.760 the problem that group like he mentions the cia there you know that's one aspect of what's going

00:55:31.680 on there cia nro nga they have control of all of this and to be honest with you the presidents 0.89

00:55:38.560 don't have the control this is the nature of the problem and this is trump trying to claw it back 0.57

00:55:43.120 And the CIA, they're even admitting, isn't releasing what he said to release, just like they did with JFK.

00:55:47.640 All right, Daniel, it's very impressive.

00:55:49.720 Thank you so much for spending so much time with thestarjournalist.com.

00:55:52.060 Talk to you soon.

00:55:53.420 Alex, it's great to see you.

00:55:54.680 Very exciting time to be alive.

00:55:56.060 Like he said yesterday, we found the clip.

00:55:58.760 To get to that, we're out of time.

00:55:59.820 We've got this big tape interview about the air.

00:56:03.000 Daniel is still there.

00:56:04.340 When did, I found the clip, but when did the vice president say, oh, coming up on May 8th, we're going to have disclosure?

00:56:10.940 No one else had said that.

00:56:12.080 No one was sure.

00:56:13.120 And he obviously wanted to float that for some reason.

00:56:16.600 He did.

00:56:17.420 And how did he know?

00:56:18.380 I mean, he was so on with this.

00:56:19.960 He released it originally to a journalist group that follows him.

00:56:24.260 And he said, you're going to be happy.

00:56:25.980 That was back in March.

00:56:27.380 So the Vice President Vance knew that on May 8th, he was going to make them happy as they had been asking about UAP files and things of this nature.

00:56:36.880 So Vance was way on top of it.

00:56:38.420 How he had the vision to say what's going to happen on May 8th is quite remarkable.

00:56:43.120 Well, he told me two months before he was nominated by Trump, he said, no, I've got it when I met him in Detroit.

00:56:48.180 So he just wanted to let me know how I got it.

00:56:49.940 That's fascinating.

00:56:51.100 Yeah.

00:56:51.540 Well, you also, you've been right at the epicenter of getting very interesting leaks, like the ones that have come from the White House before.

00:56:58.560 And I think that you would be, you know, the type of person that they would put this out there and feel it out there because they'll know that you'll reach a wide audience.

00:57:05.020 Oh, they told me I could break the Kennedy thing.

00:57:06.500 Within five days, he would endorse him, either in Arizona or California.

00:57:10.880 And it happened.

00:57:11.260 It's just weird how these people work.

00:57:12.660 Daniel Lewis, thank you so much.

00:57:14.340 Excellent.

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The Alex Jones Show Live - May 09, 2026

Top UFO⧸Secret Space Program Researcher Reveals Why Trump Is Trying To Release Secret ET Files

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