00:00:00.000Is there any accountability for the Republican Party, or do they just get to avoid punishment forever for breaking their promises?
00:00:07.580One of the problems we have in this nation, man, is that politics is a team sport, and we have universal suffrage, and so that's also a team sport.
00:00:16.660And so you want your team to win, and you have to have your team in power.
00:06:51.020So I never thought it was a great idea for Trump to go in.
00:06:56.800My kind of red line with him is whether or not he does a ground campaign.
00:07:02.280I think if he does that, it would be the ultimate disaster for his administration.
00:07:06.860I still think that support for Donald Trump as opposed to the alternative is still a much better proposition ultimately for the nation.
00:07:15.060But I understand the anti-war sentiment.
00:07:18.640Yeah, so I think that's kind of the key disagreement that we have there, because I think we both agree now, six months into the conflict, that it is a war and all that, and that it's not voting well, as you said, for the Trump administration.
00:07:28.860I agree. Here's where I stand. If we back him relentlessly into the hilt, it shows that our coalition is weak because we don't care about what we put him in power to do. What do you think about it?
00:07:40.100the alternative. Well, I mean, if you don't hold them to account in 2026, we're going to have a
00:07:45.520period where they're not going to be able to pack the Supreme Court. They're not going to be able
00:07:48.380to do much of anything. But if the electorate shows this is unacceptable, then in 2028, we
00:07:53.700could have a real populist platform. That's the alternative. I actually don't understand that
00:07:58.400position. How do we get to a populist platform from us giving up power? So one thing, one rule
00:08:04.560in politics, if you have power, you don't give it up ever. Uh, and the reason you don't want to do
00:08:10.460that is because the opposition will come in, undo everything that you've done and reverse your
00:08:15.700policies. By the time you get power back again, all you're doing is undoing. It's, it's just like
00:08:20.220an undoing after undoing after undoing. So you want to consolidate power to the right for sure.
00:08:27.100Do you think that are we in power right now? Like who is us giving up power? Cause the Republicans,
00:08:31.760they don't represent what we voted for, so I don't feel very in control.
00:08:35.240Most Republicans do represent what you voted for. There's a few defectors you probably don't like,
00:08:40.020but overarchingly, Republicans have been fairly decent when it comes to things like migration,
00:08:45.780when it comes to trans issues and social issues, domestic policy, they've been fairly decent.
00:08:50.760Yeah, I understand, but I'm looking at the totality of why it is that you don't want to
00:08:54.820give up power over a conflict you don't support. All right, but they didn't do what we voted for
00:09:00.280what I voted for because they didn't pass the War Powers resolution. So they're failing on that
00:09:04.520front. That's a big problem. Yeah, I'm certain that there's multiple policies that you would
00:09:09.000consider to be failures from the right or Republican Party, but that really doesn't
00:09:13.120have any bearing over whether or not, if you look at the totality of how it's going to be governed
00:09:17.220between the left or the right, it's going to be far superior under the right than the left.
00:09:22.500And so what I look at politically is I'm looking at political longevity. Who's the nation going to
00:09:28.520be better in the hands of ultimately. And it's going to be the right wing and it's going to be
00:09:31.840Republicans. And there's no ifs, ands, or buts about that. I've lived under Democrat rule. It's
00:09:37.060a nightmare. It's always a nightmare. It's going to be a nightmare again. So while I agree with
00:09:42.440you in spirit that there's many things here that we have disagreements with, we need to rein our
00:09:46.000party back in and tell them no war, things like this. That has no bearing ultimately on who I
00:09:51.500want to see governing. We will talk about that when we come back. Andrew Wilson, The Crucible,
00:09:56.520Rex Jones, Alex Jones Network. See you soon.
00:10:12.960The Patriots' choice and globalists' dread. Welcome to the Alex Jones Show.
00:10:18.940all right we are back with andrew wilson for the remainder of the third hour andrew i want to talk
00:10:28.260about the original stream that we did in the initial uh first seven weeks of the war i want
00:10:33.160to read a quote uh from before that actually let me find that really quick from the time with owen
00:10:39.180and i believe that when was the debate with owen when did that occur in timeline with the conflict
00:10:43.960I don't exactly remember it was very early on all right the crew will fact check that really quick I'm going to read this quote and this is in response to something we'll get into later in the next segment which relates to our Epstein disagreement right so I want to say this in context I'm not saying this is exclusively an Iranian war argument but it does reference kind of your feelings towards the Iranian people I'm going to read this not only that I'll tell you something really interesting I do know of a satanic type religion of pedophiles and right this second Trump is blowing them up
00:11:13.960Right this second as we speak, he blew up their leadership. The Ayatollah Khomeini instituted child marriage as young as nine years old inside of Iran, and we're killing them overwhelmingly. You want to talk about pedophiles? Let's talk about pedophiles. Where are they at? I can tell you who are blowing up right now. Who are pedophiles? That would be Trump blowing up pedophiles. That's what he's doing currently. Is that the way you feel about all the civilian deaths in this war as well? What's your take?0.99
00:11:40.180What I was doing there was testing the logical consistency of the pedophile craze for Epstein.0.99
00:11:48.580So the idea was, from Owen's position, was that the most important thing was to stop the pedophiles who are in government and who are eating children and all this shit, right?0.99
00:11:59.740So I said, look, if that's the case, if it's really just about pedophiles, then we can point out that there's another nation that's completely filled to the brim with them and we're blowing them up at the moment.0.99
00:12:10.400It's just to test the logical consistency.
00:13:18.760and it's uh it was a very short conflict that led to what looked like uh possibly a ceasefire
00:13:24.500but that fell apart and it does look like it's becoming a hot war yeah right a regional conflict
00:13:30.160a regional war and like this is this is the reality like there's no brakes on this train
00:13:34.480this is why it grinds my gears when people still support the president over this and say there's
00:13:38.600some reason to this there's not this is a covet of choice in my view would you disagree with that
00:13:42.560oh yeah so i'm not supporting do you agree with me that we don't have to support every position
00:13:49.800of donald trump to still understand that he's the lesser of two evils here i think there's a
00:13:55.300hierarchy i think when you do like the grand ultimate sin i think it really counts against
00:13:59.540you i think that's what he's done with the war the peace president i don't think that that's the
00:14:03.620grand ultimate sin the grand ultimate sin is yielding right-wing power to progressive insane0.98
00:14:10.060lunatics. Okay. These people are lunatics. I've seen what they do when they're in power. Again,1.00
00:14:16.140that I think is the ultimate sin. I think that, and by the way, I'm not even sure
00:14:20.360that having progressives in power would stop any foreign conflict. It hasn't before.
00:14:26.160Like what foreign conflict do they ever stop? I've never seen them stop any of them.
00:14:29.680I always see them get expanded under progressives. In fact, got expanded under Obama,
00:14:34.480Clinton bombed foreign nations. Every time a progressive is in power, I see them do this.
00:14:38.980So I don't I don't even know that that follows that voting in progressives is going to even stop any of the conflicts anyway, at least if we're in power and can apply some sort of pressure on Republicans and the Republican administration.
00:14:51.740I mean, that's superior to when if we had progressives in power, I think.
00:14:56.060Is there any accountability for the Republican Party or do they just get to avoid punishment forever for breaking their promises?
00:15:03.340One of the problems we have in this nation, man, is that politics is a team sport.
00:15:07.680And we have universal suffrage, and so that's also a team sport.
00:15:12.420And so you want your team to win, and you have to have your team in power.
00:15:57.340Look at munitions. Call it another few billion, whatever we want to say. Look at the global energy crisis, ramification for people at home.
00:16:04.040People are spending more money. Ultimately, you're looking at like around a 200 billion dollar price tag for, you know, 150 days or six months of war.
00:16:12.200It's going to be more than that before it's done.
00:16:14.060Absolutely. Absolutely. So how on, quote unquote, our side, quote unquote, the right.
00:16:19.860How is that not the ultimate sin? I'm going to put that back to you.
00:16:22.980Because domestic policy is even more important than foreign policy is, significantly more important.
00:16:30.300And the domestic policy under Democrats is going to look like this.
00:16:33.680They're going to institute corporate tax increases immediately, which Trump tried to offset with tariffs, which is going to increase the amount that you pay for your goods significantly.
00:16:43.600They tried to say that Trump was doing that when he instituted tariffs.
00:17:16.100There's a foreign policy blunder that's going on, and it really sucks, and I hope we can rein it in.
00:17:20.580but I'm telling you right now that the alternative of putting progressives in power is going to
00:17:25.480destroy the nation even further than it's been destroyed significantly more. Right now you have
00:17:30.920who on the left? You have Mamdani, you have communists coming out of the east, which is where0.96
00:17:35.680they've traditionally come from, moving their way out westward. You want these people in power? No,0.96
00:17:41.980you don't. You don't want them in power. Even if it was the case that they reigned in some of these
00:17:46.460wars which i doubt i doubt but let's just give them the benefit of the doubt they will still
00:17:50.960destroy you domestically they're handed the keys to the kingdom though when we have coffins come
00:17:56.240home draped in american flags and i just the whole narrative about mom donnie he's in the oval office
00:18:00.820shaking hands with donald trump hanging out so the whole narrative oh the great communist enemy
00:18:05.220the evil enemy i just see these as different factions that want to destroy the country do
00:18:09.020you not see the republicans as a different faction that wants to destroy no i've never
00:18:13.320believed the ideal that this was a two-headed snake uh with with one single body that's not
00:18:18.620the case the the case of the matter is is that if you have universal suffrage you're always going to
00:18:24.120be reduced to a single party even in places where they have round vote rounds of voting like they do
00:18:29.800in the uk it often comes down to just two parties which are the two major parties there's not much
00:18:34.500you can do because there's a couple of wedge issues that parties can build their platforms
00:18:38.000around that people will endlessly fight about that is the truth of the world the idea that mom donnie
00:18:43.760is going down and shaking hands with trump means nothing that's politics man that's how that works
00:18:48.080that doesn't mean he doesn't hate him that doesn't mean he's not smiling waiting to put a knife in1.00
00:18:52.320his back and in the back of the republic because they are these people are psychopathic lunatics1.00
00:18:57.520and they're communists and their entire ideology is the destruction of capitalist america that's0.99
00:19:03.200That's what they want more than anything.0.52
00:19:05.100Yeah, and when America supports and props up genocides that Israel and Ukraine commit, and then people like Mamdani can run on being opposed to that, we hand them a free win.0.83
00:19:14.960Yeah, look, I agree with you that politically this was a bad idea for Trump, that it's going to weaken his base support and already has, that it is the case that many of the right-wingers are going to be extremely upset about this, and they are.0.75
00:19:30.320There's nothing you're saying there which is untrue.
00:19:32.160I know, but it wasn't your initial. This wasn't your initial position here that you're saying, though, that also or that I'm saying that's untrue either.
00:19:40.400Both things are true. It is true that his support is being eroded because of this conflict.
00:19:45.880There's no ifs, ands or buts about that. But it's equally true that if we have progressives in power or domestic policies are going to turn to absolute Shinola and they are going to destroy us.
00:19:54.960Both things are true at the same time. So what's the pathway forward is what we're discussing. Right.
00:19:59.660Well, how do you hold the idea is like, what do we do?
00:21:14.280It depends on which party and which platform you're looking at.
00:21:17.320If you're looking at the Democrat and Republican, the dialectic there, they're mostly held by huge donors, by NGOs, and their constituency and what their constituency wants.
00:21:28.040One thing both constituencies agree on is they want to move away from the Iraq conflict, but NGOs and donors on both sides may not want to do that.
00:21:38.120So, yes, both parties are seized by NGOs.
00:21:41.240There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that, and also they have some sort of beholdenness to their own constituency.
00:21:47.580So it's a coalition of factors and not a single factor.
00:21:50.680So if it's being run by donor by donor money and not by the will of the people, the will of the voters, then how are we bad for wanting to hold them to account by doing the only thing we can do by not voting for them?
00:22:02.460Yeah, that's not how is that going to help, though?
00:22:05.260Like, what is that going to do for you?
00:22:10.920Stagnation in Washington, D.C., perhaps a passing of the War Powers Resolution into the Iran conflict, impeachment charges for Trump for war crimes blowing up the school.
00:22:21.280Okay, so let's just assume that you get all of that.
00:22:24.160That's going to take a progressive majority.
00:22:37.320Well, then that's not an that's not a real impeachment. Right. The question comes down to this. What do you get if progressives are in office? Tell me what I'm going to get. What do I get? Probably not. What is the average? Probably not. OK, great. I know. I'm not asking what I don't get. I'm asking what I do get. What do I get? Well, I told you, I consider that to be the supreme thing. You're going to make arguments. Are they going to pack the Supreme Court? No, I don't get anything. So. So, OK. The conflict in Iran goes away.
00:23:07.320Which it wasn't there for most of Trump's presidency, first and second term.
00:30:03.240The Democrat going to censor me and throw me in jail.
00:30:06.060that doesn't follow power oh the democrats are going to save us from world war three yes that
00:30:10.800doesn't follow we need accountability andrew tell people then tell people right now if they're
00:30:15.860how many how many pumps how many dead soldiers how many uncle sam's railing you right now is
00:30:21.720it going to be 19 20 21 pumps 22 how many more deaths will you justify how many times do i have
00:30:27.600to say i don't support the war but you support donald trump who's doing the war that that's the
00:30:31.920whole point of the argument i don't support yes you do you support donald trump you're telling
00:30:36.720people to vote for his party rex you can't cut me off in the middle of the sentence you've been0.97
00:30:40.780cutting me off the whole time man that's bullshit it's funny the thing is funny here man is like0.97
00:30:45.360i don't support donald trump's war in iran i do support him on domestic policy and the things0.97
00:30:51.260that he's gotten done it's not a deal breaker for you think for a second not yet unless there's a
00:30:56.040ground invasion and i gotta tell you man you're saying that there's going to be world war three
00:30:59.740Democrats are going to save us. That's nuts. They're not going to save us from anything.
00:31:03.760And if you really believe that they were, why wouldn't you tell people to go vote for them then?
00:31:08.760Why? 2026, we're not voting. 2028, we're voting for somebody to take over the party just like
00:31:13.860Trump did. Respond to my position. That's my position. 2026. That's a stupid position.
00:31:20.020Respond to it. Don't just say it's stupid. What happens? 2028, we take over the party.1.00
00:31:24.140Here, I'll help you out here. Okay, so here's what happens in 2026. You get obfuscation.
00:31:29.000If you get Democrats in, you get a lame duck.
00:31:31.840You're right that you've got gridlock.
00:31:33.500But what Democrats will come out and say is they'll be like, look, this the Republicans have completely failed you while they obstructed every bit of their agenda.
00:31:50.060And what's really funny about this is, again, now that I've responded to you, can you please respond to me?
00:31:54.960Why won't you tell people if you really believe that Democrats are going to save us from World War III and that's the wedge issue, not to vote for them in 2026?
00:39:42.520very out of how do you hold them accountable for breaking with their promises yeah so you can do
00:39:46.640political punishment especially through acts of congress that's the best way to do it get them to
00:39:50.660defund things they can pass legislation they can restrain them you can go to courts there's a
00:39:54.600million different ways to restrain the president you're against a million different ways to
00:39:58.220restrain uh uh your parties in congress including lobbying your own ngos including lobbying your
00:40:03.980own lobbyists there's a million different ways to restrain them your way to restrain them is
00:40:08.860let's vote in progressive lunatics we're going to destroy the nation that's not how you do this bro
00:40:14.060that's the opposite of how you want to do this all right so you've got another position which0.95
00:40:19.500is pretty interesting which is the epstein position and there's you there's michael tracy
00:40:24.220gavin mcginnis who had on yesterday also kind of holds to this uh kind of i don't know if you'd put
00:40:29.120it this way this is what gavin said that epstein's just a pervert i want to get into this with you i
00:40:33.420want to define what your position is on epstein again not trying to put words in your mouth i
00:40:37.640want to hear what you have to say yeah so i think um you i think tracy has most of this right that
00:40:44.480you have to separate mythology from fact so epstein was a hyper predator in florida who
00:40:53.200was preying on essentially high school girls or younger um pedophilia most likely right um
00:41:01.140so yeah he was he was up to all sorts of like horrific things there's no ifs ands or buts
00:41:05.980about that. And Glenn Maxwell also was. But the mythology aspect is the Zorro Ranch. They were
00:41:13.520eating kids. They had like child bakeries there. The mythology is the Lolita Express that there
00:41:21.520was blackmail operations which were going on. And those blackmail operations were utilizing video
00:41:26.740in order to make sure that various political figures and things like this could be blackmailed
00:41:33.540essentially. So that's where the mythology aspect of it comes in. So as long as people separate
00:41:39.140mythos from what we know as fact, I don't really have a problem with it. I don't even have a
00:41:43.980problem with the idea of the mythology if it's the case that people have good evidence for why
00:41:48.620it is that they believe some of the things inside of the mythology. Okay. Okay. So I just want to
00:41:55.080ask you right off the rip, is Epstein a pedophile and was he involved in child trafficking?
00:42:00.080well undoubtedly he was he was involved in child trafficking the question is is was he involved in
00:42:07.780child trafficking to himself or was he involved in child trafficking to other people that's where
00:42:13.180the question comes in crew can we get really quick crew can we get the doj charges for southern
00:42:18.140district in new york uh jisland maxwell punched up on the screen really quick andrew continue
00:42:22.120Yeah. And then the other thing on the question of pedophilia, yeah, I mean, most likely. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he, the way that I understand it, it's a mix between you have pedophilia and then hepophilia and then, you know, everything after that.
00:42:42.320pedophilia is classified as prepubescent children and then hepiphilia is classified as uh they're
00:42:48.280like possibly post pubescent but they're still underage so i think that he falls in the hepiphilia
00:42:54.440category but it wouldn't surprise me if he fell in the pedophile category as well all right so0.52
00:42:59.700there's underage hijinks going around we can kind of just leave it at that so he's a thousand percent
00:43:05.080yeah so so he's so he's on record or just lands on on record because she's spending 20 years in
00:43:10.420jail for conspiring to and committing child trafficking with and for jeffrey epstein like
00:43:15.400those are the charges so for me yeah to jeffrey when i when i hear that so somebody like michael
00:43:22.440tracy come out there and say oh well there's no evidence of this this is a satanic panic basically
00:43:27.240i look at the redactions and i say well if there are all these redactions for all these quote
00:43:31.700unquote victims who is being protected and what's being hidden in your view uh well a lot of the
00:43:37.420Redactions are coming out of victim advocacy groups, various lawsuits that are happening, and those are done through the court, which is separate actually from what Trump's powers are for redactions and even congressional power.
00:43:49.900A lot of that comes out of the courts. Tracy has some pretty good segments on this, on how the victim's advocacy groups push for these redactions through courtrooms.
00:44:00.080And I kind of understand why, because if you take what happened, for instance, with Ro Khanna, when Ro Khanna doxed those various people who were on the list, and then it turns out that they weren't even involved in any pedophilia at all.
00:44:11.800It's like there's a reason why there's a lot of those redactions which are there.
00:44:16.340We have the Epstein Transparency Act, and they've been going back and forth on this based around the idea of the video and the redactions.
00:44:26.840So I would love to see it all, and this is Tracy's position too, which is interesting.
00:44:30.980He would prefer to see it all redacted and released, and so would I.
00:46:19.060Do you believe he was an international sex trafficker?
00:46:23.540I don't think that there's evidence to support that Epstein was involved in international sex blackmail operations.
00:46:31.000There seems to be a lot of evidence that he was at least tied to intelligence agencies, which doesn't surprise me because he was a banker for Rothschild.
00:46:38.960and he was an investment banker for other large banking operations.
00:46:44.200So that wouldn't surprise me at all if he had intelligence links.
00:47:43.820The Podesta emails and spirit cooking had to do with some lunatics art project, and that was conflated and tied in to the fact that Podesta was diddling kids, and then that was tied into Pizzagate.
00:47:58.740But if it's just a lunatics art project, then why are the most powerful people involved in it, and why are they involved with pedophiles?
00:48:03.760like the same reason that most for the same reason most elites get involved in art because
00:48:08.860it's a massive racket worth billions of dollars and they they hide their money through it so
00:48:13.900billionaires have been doing that for years and years and years do you really think that they're
00:48:18.020buying a painting that was made from somebody for 50 million bucks go back to that in the slideshow0.98
00:48:23.280do you think this is a part of art scam where they got you know the the fat guy like raping0.96
00:48:28.080the silhouette of the little kid on the bed is that a part of yeah that's gross i wouldn't surprise1.00
00:48:31.520me if Podesta was a total absolute scumbag of the tallest order. The problem that you have is0.99
00:48:43.340you have to separate mythology and weirdness and grossness and sickness from reality. The reality
00:48:50.360is there was never, ever, at Rocket Pizza, a basement where kids were getting tortured
00:48:56.700and they were being essayed that's just not true factually it's not true and you can be upset about
00:49:04.120it all you want but that is in fact the case right now factually you don't have evidence
00:49:09.060that Epstein was flying children around the world as part of blackmail operations
00:49:13.600you don't have the evidence for it we have evidence you can have great suspicions
00:49:17.600we have evidence that he trafficked children we have evidence that he did it with Ghislaine
00:49:21.660maxwell she's in jail for 20 years to himself which is laying to himself right exactly so if
00:49:26.980he did if he trafficked children to himself and he's this billionaire with all these insane
00:49:31.020connections wouldn't it not be a crazy leap of logic to assume he's doing this with other people
00:49:35.580of images it wouldn't be no of course not it wouldn't be a great leap of logic but there's
00:49:39.780just not any good evidence there to support it that's the problem that you have that's why you
00:49:44.500have to be very cautious because you can build up huge mythologies around what is called you know
00:49:50.540logic gaps or evidence of the gaps. Meaning, look, I don't actually know, but my speculation
00:49:56.600becomes the logic. And then I can make these logical leaps based on my speculation.
00:50:02.440Now we get into these are truth claims. And it's like, you can't make those truth claims because
00:50:07.260they're not true. You have to at least have the evidence to back up the truth claim, or you can't
00:50:12.780really make the claim, right? You can just say I have suspicions of, if that was it, if people were
00:50:17.060like, look, I have suspicions of this. This is really weird. This needs to be followed up on.
00:50:22.300We want more answers to this. I think that that would be fine. But this has transcended that.
00:50:27.580And it is, in fact, the case that there is a psychosis, which is happening in the United
00:50:31.840States around this, where people now believe that at the top levels of government, we have people
00:50:37.680who are eating children, that they're eating their pineal glands, that they're eating their0.94
00:50:41.780sexual organs, that they're killing them and murdering them, and they're essaying them.
00:50:46.020And it's like, that's a hell of a thing to say without good, compelling proof, man.0.99
00:50:52.360I take that point. I can take that point. I can understand it. The problem is, though, he's on record as a child trafficker. He's a billionaire. He has these connections. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I don't believe that.