The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - Episode 121 LIVE： What Is Happening In The Middle East？ (feat. Curt Mills) – Firebrand with Matt …

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00:00:48.680 welcome back to firebrand live we are simulcast streaming from room 2021 of the rayburn house

00:01:00.120 office building here at the capitol complex on washington dc there's plenty of capitol hill

00:01:04.960 drama that we're going to get to with the speakers race a fast moving race people who

00:01:09.360 just 24 hours ago were deemed to be never jordans all of a sudden announcing their public support

00:01:15.900 for the speaker designate also some economic news regarding how americans are dealing

00:01:20.220 with bidenomics i'll get to that but we have a very special guest the contributing editor at the

00:01:25.960 american conservative kurt mills someone i speak to a great deal about foreign policy here to share

00:01:32.120 his perspective on what's going on in the middle east the american conservative of course is a

00:01:36.760 publication you should all be reading it is the fountainhead of intellectualism for a lot of the

00:01:42.540 non-interventionist right certainly emerging from a lot of the viewpoints of one of their great

00:01:48.360 founders pat buchanan kurt thanks so much for joining me you've got a a thought-provoking piece

00:01:54.320 at the american conservative the bear scenario for israel before we get into that piece give me your

00:02:00.940 perspective on kind of what what chapter we're in in the book here in this conflict and what do you

00:02:06.540 think is animating what what americans and people around the world are observing in gaza you know

00:02:12.180 i i think everyone's just sort of waiting uh the israeli response so far um you know needless to say

00:02:18.860 uh already a thousand plus palestinians have died um has been relatively restrained we haven't seen

00:02:24.820 uh the israelis go in and try to occupy the place gaza door to door a la uh you know the u.s

00:02:32.180 and iraq or fallujah um and we've everyone's just sort of waiting to see what happened um i think

00:02:39.080 uh a critical component of all of this is whether or not they can establish a link between uh

00:02:47.060 uh the palestinians uh hamas and iran now of course the iranians do finance hamas um there is

00:02:57.040 interchange there but that is a completely different uh situation than uh you know

00:03:03.240 allegations that there was you know pretty close coordination that there were meetings in places

00:03:08.120 like beirut and that the iranians had final say so uh there was a wall street journal to the that

00:03:13.680 effect a report to that effect last week uh but that has not been corroborated i i stress that has

00:03:18.980 not been corroborated by by you know anyone legitimate um and i think that would be a huge deal

00:03:24.220 because the iranian link to this a uh changes uh the nature of the israeli war who they target and

00:03:31.460 b uh would be the most likely thing that would draw the u.s into a wider war in a real way so so let me

00:03:38.020 let me pause there because i think this is the biggest difference in how the congress is observing

00:03:43.280 this conflict and how the administration is because really at a bipartisan level you've got most in

00:03:50.000 congress believing that this was not a surprise to the iranians that the iranian there would be no

00:03:55.780 hamas without iran that a an operation of this scale requiring this coordination synchronization

00:04:03.180 you know land air and sea that iran had to be involved the administration i believe has a very

00:04:09.880 different viewpoint i think that there are senior officials in the biden administration who believe

00:04:14.460 that iran was just as surprised by this attack as uh as the united states or israel were um and what i

00:04:22.860 think i want to get into with you is how this thing gets broader because right now you're looking at an

00:04:28.860 essentially an asymmetric conflict i worry that if iran in fact animated this attack this operation

00:04:38.260 they would have done so with the goal they would have done so full full knowing what israel's response

00:04:44.980 would be in gaza and if if the whole kind of geopolitical overlay here is iran is feeling isolated in the

00:04:51.400 middle east with the abraham accords with the you know red to dead water infrastructure with the israelis

00:04:58.080 and the saudis going into business together on technology deals and capital markets and with the qataris

00:05:04.180 and the israelis working together on liquefied natural gas that really what iran seeks is a

00:05:10.100 conflict with arabs on one side israelis on the other and uh and i worry that they're trying to use

00:05:16.180 they're trying to draw israel into an overreaction in gaza and then use that as a basis uh to launch

00:05:21.700 rockets out of iran into into israel what do you think yeah that's an interesting hypothesis i know that

00:05:27.540 actually felt it that way i think it's you know worth underlining uh for uh your viewership uh that of

00:05:33.780 course the iranians and hamas are fundamentally different in two major ways there are different

00:05:39.700 ethnicities uh the iranians are mostly persian um and hamas is arab um and hamas is also sunni

00:05:48.100 muslim and the iranians are mostly shia uh muslim the government is shia islamic um and so to a certain

00:05:55.060 extent uh this is a partnership of convenience and uh the exact level of coordination is murky but at the

00:06:01.620 end of the day uh definitely people within the irani elite basically view the hamas people as

00:06:07.140 savages and you know don't super care about them in a certain respect and you know would be fine if

00:06:13.780 it was you know a choice between them uh and the iranians to depict themselves um i do think it's

00:06:19.540 worth underlining of course that hamas is a useful foil uh to the israeli government um and that's why

00:06:25.780 there's there's such a level of coordination as to the actual stipulation that uh iran is intentionally 0.97

00:06:32.420 going in israel into you know a potentially very stupid war and like what i say it's stupid something 0.98

00:06:37.460 what are the israelis actually going to do uh i think killing two million people is obviously off the 0.99

00:06:43.700 table um it would be massively discrediting to israel as a nation state um but i think also a

00:06:51.140 potential occupation of gaza uh is a huge mess for the netanyahu government i mean if if the israelis

00:06:58.340 uh you know a thousand plus are already dead if they get ten thousand plus killed going door-to-door

00:07:05.060 in gaza uh i mean that's going to a bring down the netanyahu government and b you know they just

00:07:10.660 called up this three hundred thousand reservists a lot of these people are not hardened idf soldiers

00:07:15.220 like we think they're they're civilians uh like you or i um you know and the idea that they're

00:07:19.940 going to go door-to-door i think it's just pretty risky for the israelis so yeah it's just it's just

00:07:24.340 i i i don't think anyone knows what they're going to do um mostly because we don't know how this

00:07:29.460 happened i think as i got into my piece a little bit uh we just nobody had this nobody had uh hamas

00:07:36.980 is this powerful or at least this competent i mean nobody had uh the israelis this is asleep at the

00:07:42.580 switch the piece is the bare scenario for israel it's uh in at the american conservative.com and you

00:07:49.300 you write about netanyahu's agony what is what is the agony of of netanyahu yeah i mean so just you

00:07:57.300 know to sort of zoom out here uh netanyahu is the longest serving prime minister in israeli history

00:08:03.460 he's also the most important prime minister uh not from the founding generation so israel is founded

00:08:09.700 basically by these sort of center-left socialist types after world war ii um and netanyahu is obviously

00:08:16.340 a break uh he is a secular person himself he's not particularly religious but he is forged a merger

00:08:23.460 of basically hard hard line right-wing israeli nationalists with some of the most religious

00:08:29.620 people in the society and israel had really begun crafting itself as a sort of you know basically

00:08:37.300 very different western civilization at a time when western birth rates are falling off uh the cliffs and

00:08:43.780 a lot of people in the west as i'm sure you're aware uh you know are sort of self-hating and like

00:08:48.340 not proud of their countries the israelis have been really going in another direction with some

00:08:52.660 controversy there have been massive protests within israel but it appeared that you know uh netanyahu

00:08:58.420 he overperformed in last year's elections and came back to power really was on you know kind of on the

00:09:03.140 glide path to a forge a new country um i think now the idea that you know he his principal claim to fame

00:09:11.860 that he is the security guy was undermined was a is a big deal and i think you know there's a sort of

00:09:17.860 uh bias that the you know the palestinians are incompetent um and are just going to get you know 1.00

00:09:24.500 the israelis going to wipe the floor with them i think the palestinians are going to are going to 1.00

00:09:28.260 suffer massive fatalities uh but in a certain sense this is could be pretty close to checkmate in terms

00:09:34.980 of what the israelis are actually going to do i mean how are they going to take out all of hamas i

00:09:41.060 mean they may be able to do it in gaza but are they going to assassinate the hamas political

00:09:44.980 leadership in qatar and i mean i think that's just a real real crossing of the rubicon and pretty

00:09:51.220 dangerous stuff one of the questions you ask in the piece what if israel in this period ends up being

00:09:56.260 remembered as russia uh very provocative what what how do you think the tactics and and the

00:10:06.420 kind of judgment of history will weigh on on these endeavors yeah so i mean this is why you know

00:10:13.300 covering national security like you always you always hear this stuff like well the pentagon did

00:10:17.300 a war game and you know it's just it's sort of it's sort of laughable uh all of these projections uh

00:10:24.660 given what we know about how a lot of this stuff looks when we actually get on the battlefield people

00:10:29.460 did not think you know the smart set did not think the us is going to struggle as much as it did in

00:10:34.020 iraq and the smart set did not think that russia would struggle as much as it would in ukraine um

00:10:39.940 and so yes israel serious country uh top five mil top five military capabilities pound for pound

00:10:46.500 intelligence capabilities pound for pound but in an actual war full-on war uh with hamas uh can israel

00:10:53.780 achieve its objectives and do so at a reasonable cost to its own country and i think that's an

00:11:00.100 open question right like because i mean because putin could you know take ukraine by nuking the place

00:11:06.340 and being persona non grata uh on the global stage he is elected not to do that he could also mobilize

00:11:13.060 everybody in russia to fight for the war and presumably gain territory that way he doesn't think

00:11:18.100 he can do that so can netanyahu do that of course the israelis don't uh you know uh concede that they

00:11:24.580 have nuclear weapons but they do and but they can can they use nuclear weapons on a territory contiguous

00:11:30.340 to them probably not there was definitely concern concerns from the russians doing the exact same thing

00:11:34.820 in ukraine it's still pretty close to home to do a nuclear blast so again uh i think israel comes out 0.95

00:11:41.380 of this no matter what major civilization very important very powerful but their military options

00:11:46.420 potentially are way way more limited than people uh had even realized i think israel comes out of

00:11:52.340 this a larger country not a smaller country i think that you're going to have to have a lot of these

00:11:58.020 gulf monarchies involved in almost a martial plan for gaza after you know the israelis lay siege to

00:12:04.820 gaza and i think it's really interesting you point out like the the political goals of israel right now

00:12:11.060 have to align to what you observe in the military operations but that there are no real political

00:12:15.460 goals of of hamas uh you talk about you uh quoting now from the piece it is clear that hamas has now

00:12:21.940 removed itself from all talks aside from hostage negotiations for a ponderable future hamas rules

00:12:29.220 gaza because the majority of the population believes in its agenda uh that's uh that's a quote that uh you uh

00:12:36.420 you're bringing from an idf lecturer so you know with hamas having no goals with israel having goals

00:12:44.660 that have to align to the military operation how do you think it ends uh well i mean again i think the

00:12:53.220 big question is whether or not there's going to be an iran war about this i mean this this is sort of my

00:12:58.420 bug-bearing concern uh you could definitely see a scenario i mean again uh zooming back 20 years

00:13:06.260 ago so if this is israel's 911 uh the us got into afghanistan dispatched the taliban government from

00:13:12.660 power pretty quickly chased al-qaeda out of the country but of course you know the leadership of

00:13:18.100 al-qaeda uh bin laden famously lived 10 more years and then in the long run of history the taliban is now 0.98

00:13:24.020 in charge of the same territory 20 years ago um you know there is just the danger here of the war

00:13:30.180 widening and people forgetting why this even started um if that does not occur and netanyahu is able to

00:13:38.660 run a disciplined operation uh in gaza and what does the discipline operation look like uh essentially

00:13:46.500 vaguely limiting civilian deaths in the in the area and successfully assassinating uh the leadership of

00:13:53.300 hamas so i think the key ones here uh would be the leadership the political leadership in gaza

00:13:58.980 there's a there's a there's a head of it who's been in charge of it since the elections in 2006.

00:14:03.460 there is this guy called the guest el-dif they basically move him from house to house that's 0.79

00:14:08.580 why he's called the guest if they can get him uh and then maybe if they can get the head of the

00:14:13.940 basically the hamas you know rival group to the far far extreme even of hamas the head of islamic

00:14:21.300 jihad then maybe that's going to be enough scalps for them to claim uh victory but again hamas's

00:14:27.940 leadership political leadership also exists in qatar as do a lot of islamist leadership throughout the

00:14:34.260 region um and you know i don't think israel is beginning to uh continence a uh invasion of qatar

00:14:42.340 or you know defenestration of the qatari government and you know i think it's not even particularly

00:14:46.900 advisable because the reality is qatar serves a useful purpose it's it's a moderating uh you know 0.67

00:14:54.820 force on a lot of these a lot of these countries and and and you know i mean it didn't come out of

00:14:59.460 this whole cloth qatar was allowed to keep the lights on uh in gaza because the israeli government

00:15:05.060 feared the alternative but now the status quo is obviously unacceptable i i think it's a really

00:15:10.180 important point about how in the middle east with these shifting alliances and you know you've got

00:15:16.900 the obvious tensions that that persist between the uae and qatar qatar and the saudis you know

00:15:22.740 the saudis and the iranians perhaps in some sort of de-dollarizing you know uh new phase of their

00:15:29.620 relationship with the chinese uh very important i i did uh before i let you go kurt i want to get your

00:15:35.460 reaction uh to speaker designate jim jordan putting out a plan for the house of representatives

00:15:43.140 he says additional steps we must take to destroy hamas and support israel iran sanctions for funding

00:15:49.300 and arming hamas enforce existing sanctions on iranian oil more interceptors for israel's iron dome

00:15:56.340 more precision guided munitions more ammunition rounds more intelligent sharing replenish drained u.s

00:16:02.980 stockpiles that's a lot your reaction yeah yeah i mean i i look in republican politics in american

00:16:11.860 politics right now uh it's it's pretty uh safe to to you know target the iranians for more sanctions uh

00:16:20.740 the previous administration sanctioned them you know pretty much to the the brink of bankruptcy um it's

00:16:27.140 just a question of what you know these these sanctions really do i think we've also seen the russia

00:16:31.860 case the limits of sanctions on a lot of these economies and particularly for some of the

00:16:36.580 de-dollarization uh you know aspects that you just mentioned and then referenced elsewhere um i think

00:16:44.900 uh it will be interesting though to see uh how this all gets kind of framed i mean a a sort of cut

00:16:54.420 on this that i could see happening is whether or not somebody's going to convince president biden

00:16:59.380 to enter uh basically uh a war of all against all in defense of liberalism right uh you know uh gotta

00:17:08.100 fight ukraine over here gotta do the china war there and gotta take out hamas and iran and then oh by the 0.89

00:17:14.020 way we have to take out uh you know the would-be tinbot dictator in our own country who just happens 0.99

00:17:18.740 to be our principal political rival that would obviously convulse uh u.s politics but i think jordan's

00:17:26.020 uh statement there is is well in line with uh republican consensus at the moment curt mills

00:17:32.980 contributing editor at the american conservative one of the people i call frequently to discuss

00:17:37.140 foreign policy issues thanks for sharing our conversation with my viewers man thanks so much

00:17:42.260 take care uh we we now are gonna react to the latest from fbi director christopher ray sasha go ahead and play that clip

00:17:50.100 in this heightened environment there's no question we're seeing an increase in reported threats and

00:17:59.540 we've got to be on the lookout especially for lone actors who may take inspiration from recent events to

00:18:06.740 commit violence of their own so i'd encourage you to stay vigilant because as the first line of defense

00:18:15.140 protecting our communities you're often the first to see the signs that someone may be mobilizing

00:18:21.620 to violence i'd also ask you to continue sharing any intelligence or observations you may have and on

00:18:28.820 our end we're committed to doing the same so that together we can safeguard our communities

00:18:37.860 we are back live be vigilant that's the message from fbi director christopher ray the very same fbi

00:18:43.940 director who oversaw an organization that turned a lot of anti-terrorism capabilities and functions

00:18:50.660 internally against political opponents against people who supported the second amendment or who

00:18:56.260 didn't want unchecked immigration into our country now they're saying because of our open border because

00:19:01.860 of threats to the country keep calling in those tips i think we need an fbi that's actually focused on

00:19:09.140 potential harm to americans not becoming a political enforcement wing of either political party and

00:19:16.180 unfortunately that's what we've seen under both republican and democrat administrations the fbi unaccountable

00:19:23.860 breaking the law and there's an opportunity cost and you see it laid bare by the fbi director right

00:19:29.700 there there's also cost to bidenomics and before we get into the ins and outs of the speaker race we bring

00:19:36.100 you to a tweet that really caught my eye from unusual whales go ahead and put that up sasha americans

00:19:43.220 filed more than 39 000 bankruptcy cases in august an 18 increase from the same point last year so if

00:19:52.180 americans are going bankrupt at a considerably higher rate if our economy isn't growing as we would expect

00:19:59.380 if inflation remains stubbornly high it becomes very difficult for the biden white house to tell you that

00:20:05.220 everything is awesome that the economy is improving the reality is that more and more americans are

00:20:11.060 finding themselves in a circumstance so dire that they are filing bankruptcy at a higher rate it shows

00:20:17.540 that the interest rates that people are having to utilize to accrue debt are crushing people there is a direct

00:20:25.620 link between the government spending that i am fighting against and rising interest rates rising apr and

00:20:33.380 increased bankruptcies these things are connected it's important you know that and the lived experiences of americans

00:20:39.780 i think are going to be very very uh reflective in how people think about the economy not just some empty white

00:20:47.460 house briefing on the subject all right uh we're gonna get into what's going on uh in in the speakers race

00:20:54.820 uh rules changes uh big news a jim jordan putting out a letter uh to really try to rally republicans to his cause

00:21:02.900 and this this is a letter i'm going to read you parts of it that showcase where a lot of uh these

00:21:09.300 discussions are going what's being highlighted and how jordan intends to respond so it's an october 16

00:21:15.860 dear colleague letter jordan says the principles that unite us as republicans are far greater than the

00:21:22.420 disagreements that divide us he continues the country and our conference cannot afford us

00:21:27.780 attacking each other right now it is time we unite and get back to work on behalf of the american people

00:21:34.660 we may not always agree on every issue or every bill and that's all right we don't march in lockstep

00:21:41.460 like our democrat colleagues we value the discussion and robust debate that generates effective public

00:21:47.780 policies rooted in common sense conservative principles we've discussed frustrations about

00:21:53.540 the treatment of kevin mccarthy and steve scalise and the events of the past month the role of speakers

00:21:59.460 to bring all republicans together that's what i intend to do we will make sure that there are more republican

00:22:05.380 voices involved in our major discussions our goal will be to empower our committees and committee chairs

00:22:11.060 to take the lead on the house's legislative work through regular order this will bring us together

00:22:16.660 to pass responsible legislation to fund our government and support our military i will tirelessly work

00:22:23.220 to defend and expand our majority and help every republican member back at home when republicans come

00:22:29.300 together there is no measure to what we can achieve for the american people signed jim jordan and that is

00:22:37.300 the message from the speaker designate a closing argument if you will before we head to the floor

00:22:42.500 and there has been a lot of progress there have been some big breakthroughs taking you through the

00:22:47.780 timeline when jordan first you know uh was in this contest for speaker following the withdrawal of

00:22:54.580 steve scalise from the race 81 people originally voted against him they voted for austin scott of georgia

00:23:00.740 who's now supporting jim jordan we had a ratifying vote thereafter that 81 had fallen to 55 and time and

00:23:10.500 again we are seeing people who were in that 55 now say that as a consequence of their one-on-one

00:23:17.700 discussions with jim jordan their uh interactions with constituents the feedback they've received

00:23:24.100 from the various groups uh here in caucuses that they're a member of they are coming to jim jordan's

00:23:29.620 side mike rogers from alabama has announced his endorsement of jim jordan and we're very excited about

00:23:36.340 that neil dunn of florida indicated that he will support jim jordan and wagner she was viewed as a

00:23:43.860 potential significant holdout she now has had her concerns addressed and by the way these members have

00:23:49.380 a right to have a meeting to have a discussion and to go through where they'd like to bring the house

00:23:55.140 of representatives and i think if jim jordan is that leader uh that i know he can be the type of leader

00:24:01.540 reflected in this dear colleague letter that he's going to win folks over and he's going to chip it

00:24:06.660 away i count about you know a dozen republicans that we can still clearly identify in the anti-jordan

00:24:15.700 camp but that is again i mean if we're really down to about a dozen that's down from 55 down from 81

00:24:23.060 and there may be a few others that haven't publicly identified opposition to jordan but may not have

00:24:28.660 agreed to support him but we're working that list down and i'm really proud of of speaker designate

00:24:34.580 jordan for winning over people who might not have originally been all that receptive to his message

00:24:41.060 there's still a number of floridians that i pray and hope come to the conclusion that jim jordan is

00:24:46.980 the right choice currently carlos jimenez of florida john rutherford of florida verne buchanan of florida

00:24:53.780 mario diaz balardo florida all people i respect greatly they're not there yet and we hope that

00:24:59.700 they get there and that's why right now i know that speaker designate jordan is having those

00:25:05.300 conversations listening to people's concerns and i think it's important for the american people to

00:25:10.740 also continue to be enthusiastic about the republican speaker designate who can bring us all together we

00:25:17.380 also hope that uh that my friend steve womack who's out there in arkansas a guy i know well a

00:25:23.620 guy who's helped me with a number of matters in the congress we hope that congressman womack comes on

00:25:27.860 board and certainly the rules chairman tom cole we want to see chairman cole right there as one of the

00:25:34.100 very respected and senior members of the house of representatives come onto the team support jim jordan

00:25:41.460 tom cole's always been a team player in the past so we hope he's a team player now that the captain of the

00:25:46.340 team is is a guy like jim a virtuous man a godly man someone i don't agree with on every subject

00:25:53.060 someone i've had very spirited disagreements with but someone who i i firmly believe can take the house

00:25:58.580 in a better direction and an inspired direction frankly uh he's got that kind of capability some of

00:26:04.980 the concerns that people have about the speaker contest right now are about the rules and the rules that

00:26:12.020 we negotiated heavily for in january some people want to renegotiate or change or modify and

00:26:21.300 i'm negotiable to a point because we've you know when we designed those rules it was the first time

00:26:26.900 anything like that had really been constructed and there are some other things that uh that i'm fighting

00:26:32.020 for that i think might provide just as much accountability or even more accountability

00:26:37.060 one of those things is to ban members of congress from trading individual stocks if we want to have

00:26:44.420 a stock ban in the united states congress we don't need a bill we don't need a law we just need to put it

00:26:50.340 in our house rules that doesn't require joe biden to agree it doesn't require the united states senate to

00:26:55.780 agree we could set rules that ban our individual members from trading stocks and i am negotiable to other

00:27:03.380 rules changes in order to achieve that objective it was the subject discussed on the hills program

00:27:10.100 rising recently with particular mention for one member of congress who had been trading some of

00:27:16.180 these war stocks take a listen according to unusual wales politics which keeps tabs on congressional

00:27:24.100 trades lawmakers on capitol hill have been purchasing war stocks both republicans and democrats

00:27:29.140 bought general dynamic stocks and while republicans bought more on the energy and oil front democrats

00:27:35.060 poured their money into cyber security stocks the heavy wartime stock buying didn't just happen

00:27:40.420 following the onset of the war in ukraine but there was a surge that hasn't receded in august mississippi

00:27:46.260 congressman michael guest purchased about fifteen thousand dollars worth of exxon mobile stock

00:27:51.220 currently up and trading at a hundred and nine dollars per unusual wales numerous politicians

00:27:56.180 from both sides of the aisle tailoring their investment portfolios based on these defense

00:28:00.900 contractors and energy companies all of which lobby capitol hill heavily uh this is just another reason

00:28:08.020 we really gotta ban members of congress from stock trading or else um how can we trust that their

00:28:16.580 foreign policy decision making uh to the extent congress you know exerts any influence or oversight over

00:28:23.380 the foreign policy perspective to begin with but they might be making decisions that are not in the

00:28:27.940 best interest of u.s foreign policy or the safety of americans but are lining their own pockets

00:28:34.740 lining their own pockets not something we should see from members of congress trading individual stocks

00:28:40.020 michael guest is a mississippi congressman identified in that report from the hills the rising

00:28:45.380 and get this he's the chairman of the house ethics committee so the very person who was buying the

00:28:53.620 individual stock referenced in that report critically that wouldn't be allowed

00:28:58.100 if my rules changes were adopted is literally the chairman of the ethics committee think about that

00:29:04.180 it's quite something but if we're going to get this done if we're going to take on the swamp for major ethics

00:29:09.540 reforms we have to do it in a bipartisan way and i'm working with california democrat roe connor who

00:29:15.860 disagrees with me on a whole host of subjects but i'm working with him on these ethics reforms uh rising

00:29:21.860 had commentary on that as well take a listen the truth is that it's still a a narrow slice of electeds

00:29:30.820 people like matt gates roe connor who has often been out of step with his own party on these issues as well

00:29:35.380 who are willing to go here and actually do something about it despite the fact that the

00:29:38.740 overwhelming majority of americans do not want their congress members to be profiting off of

00:29:44.420 stocks that have serious implications for both foreign and domestic policy and look how matt gates is

00:29:49.780 being treated by the the mainstream commentary even some conservative commentators as as in the way as

00:29:57.380 inconvenient it's just crazy that he's done something totally insane and unprecedented um in order to advance

00:30:03.540 policies some of the policy i don't agree with every policy he's probably trying to get um achieved

00:30:09.620 everywhere but mostly he's making a stand about funding for ukraine that is clearly popular that's

00:30:14.580 what republicans actually want it's what they want their leaders to do is to reign in some of this

00:30:19.220 spending for every other nation on earth and he took a stand on that and he wants to stop on on the on

00:30:24.660 the the the the stock front something that you could pull americans it's just overwhelmingly popular

00:30:29.940 that's what they want and he's being treated like he's a a procedurally crazy person yes for trying

00:30:35.940 to get those policies they totally get me on rising they i am being perceived as procedurally crazy

00:30:44.340 because i'm fighting for things that i think the american people want banning members of congress

00:30:48.580 from becoming lobbyists banning lobbyists and special interest money from congressional campaigns

00:30:54.660 and not allowing members of congress to trade these individual stocks i think that that could restore

00:30:59.940 so much confidence in the institution for all the criticism i get for being an anti-institutionalist

00:31:06.020 i actually think that this would advance the interests of the institution and the american people and guess

00:31:12.500 what then the things that matter to you would actually get addressed faster than whatever pack could

00:31:19.220 shuttle whatever amount of money into some powerful chairman or subcommittee members uh campaign account

00:31:25.700 and leadership account it's just not the way we should govern anymore and it's it's truly what we are fighting

00:31:31.060 against uh just got breaking news as we've been in this program florida congressman verne buchanan

00:31:40.180 publicly announces his support for jim jordan so that's outstanding verne buchanan great guy uh super

00:31:47.460 generous guy just uh one of the warmest hearts uh you could ever uh hope to encounter now supporting

00:31:53.540 jim jordan let's hope that the dam breaks with some of my other florida colleagues who uh who still

00:31:59.060 aren't there yet again we want to encourage them in the most respectful and thoughtful way because

00:32:04.580 we want to see jim jordan get that gavel assume the speakership and unite this republican caucus

00:32:10.260 one step closer just as we've been talking with verne buchanan there's other breaking news that i want

00:32:15.300 to discuss regarding the legal uh lawfare tortured pursuit of president trump there's now a gag order

00:32:25.700 that was issued by judge chutkin in the matter that is before the dc courts and in that gag order she

00:32:33.300 seems to be to separate things that president trump can say that constitute protected first amendment

00:32:40.020 activity and then anything to do with this particular matter and the line she seems to have drawn is that

00:32:45.540 any mention of any person in any way involved in the fact pattern of january 6th is now somehow

00:32:54.660 off limits for president trump whereas he can still categorize the prosecution as politically motivated

00:33:02.980 and he can make critique generally of the prosecution one of the people that president

00:33:10.420 trump is i guess limited in talking about is mike pence who's running against president trump for the

00:33:15.380 presidential nomination so this gag order is to date the most severe uh effort at election interference

00:33:24.740 that we've observed i mean even the indictments themselves didn't stop president trump from talking

00:33:29.700 but think about this they want to weaponize the u.s justice system against this man because he is

00:33:37.460 the leading contender for president of the united states and then when he wants to go defend himself

00:33:43.380 and talk about these matters they're doing everything they can to ratchet a gag order on him so part of the

00:33:50.740 government's request here was denied in an oral ruling from the bench part of it was uh was affirmed we're

00:33:58.740 going to break it down i'm sure there'll be a lot more on it i'll probably want to bring in one of my

00:34:02.900 colleagues from the judiciary committee or get some perspective on how a gag order like this interfaces

00:34:08.100 with the u.s election system and what equities the congress has to protect federal elections and stop

00:34:14.500 judges from limiting the speech of candidates for federal office i am certain congress has equities

00:34:22.900 there and if we don't defend them they're going to be eviscerated by judge chutkin someone who i think

00:34:28.500 is well beyond the guardrails of a jurist and is actually engaging in in political activity from

00:34:35.380 the bench that we should not tolerate as the article one branch of government vested with a lot a lot of

00:34:44.260 equities in federal elections so thank you guys so much make sure that you are subscribed that you've

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00:34:53.940 kurt mills contributing editor at the american conservative for joining us there'll be a lot

00:34:58.580 more going on this week can't wait to check back in with you roll the credits

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