Episode 130 LIVE： Congress Backs FBI – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz
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Summary
In this episode, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-GAZETTE) takes aim at the FBI and his amendment that prevents them from getting a massive new headquarters in Washington, D.C. Rep. Gaetz is joined by Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and Sen. Cory Booker (D -NJ) to speak against the FBI.
Transcript
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Matt Gaetz, the biggest firebrand inside of the House of Representatives.
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You're not taking Matt Gaetz off the board, okay?
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Because Matt Gaetz is an American patriot and Matt Gaetz is an American hero.
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We will not continue to allow the Uniparty to run this town without a fight.
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I want to thank you, Matt Gaetz, for holding the line.
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If we had hundreds of Matt Gaetz in D.C., the country turns around. It's that simple.
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He's so tough. He's so strong. He's smart, and he loves this country. Matt Gaetz.
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It is the honor of my life to fight alongside each and every one of you.
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We will save America. It's choose your fighter time. Send in the firebrands.
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We're broadcasting out of Room 2021 of the Rayburn House Office Building here at the Capitol Complex in Washington, D.C.
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And a big dispute over the willingness of Republicans to continue to back a corrupt FBI with all of their whims and demands has just brought down a major government funding bill.
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We've been talking about these single-subject spending bills.
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The single-subject spending bill that deals with general government appropriations, buildings, facilities, was not brought up today as planned because of a big fight over the FBI.
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You've heard me go over their abuses, their problems. We're going to revisit some of that now.
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But wherever you're watching from in the live streams, thank you for tuning in from North Carolina, Wyoming, Florida, Arizona.
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When I was in Arizona last, I was with Congressman Eli Crane.
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And in the many stops we made, people consistently were focused on why money and resources continue to flow to DOJ, FBI, ATF.
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And folks said, use the power of the purse. Stop it.
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And what Eli Crane and I had to tell those folks at Stop After Stop in Arizona is that when we bring up the amendment just to stop giving the FBI a new headquarters larger than the Pentagon, Republicans will betray us.
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They will vote against that amendment and they will stand with the FBI.
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Won't matter how many illegal searches, won't matter how many unjustifiable queries, won't matter what inspector general reports say, won't even matter what whistleblowers say.
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Republicans will bail on us and they will vote with the FBI.
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I bring you now to the floor of the House of Representatives for my amendment to stop the FBI from being able to have a new building, a new headquarters, a new Washington field office.
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The FBI wants a massive new complex for their Washington, D.C. area-based activities.
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They want to spend more than $300 million on that complex.
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Though the FBI has an employee base that's about 2.3% of the United States military.
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Mr. Speaker, they're literally asking for something that is larger than the Pentagon for the FBI.
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And so my amendment would disallow any planning, spending, distribution of funds for that purpose.
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I don't believe that the FBI deserves a massive new headquarters or Washington field office.
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The activities inside of Washington, the greater Washington metro area, have really driven a lot of the investigative work we have done.
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It's not bad folks from the FBI out at some field office in middle America or elsewhere in the country.
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It is the Washington, D.C.-based activities that have pressured other field offices for no good law enforcement reason.
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It's the D.C.-based entities that have suppressed credible investigative leads into criminal conduct over the objections of other bureaus and offices.
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And they've initiated investigations into American citizens merely for engaging in constitutionally protected speech.
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They've attempted to entrap members of the United States Senate by holding false classified briefings.
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That's testimony we got from Senators Grassley and Senator Johnson.
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They've also worked hard to censor factual information harmful to their preferred political candidates.
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Notably, the Hunter Biden laptop story that the FBI, based in the D.C. metro area, were involved in cajoling censorship of.
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Building a new headquarters would condone, reinforce, and enable the Washington field office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's nefarious behavior.
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We shouldn't do it, and we should adopt this amendment to ensure that's the case.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and my thanks to the minority side for giving me an opportunity to speak.
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I rise in opposition to the gentleman from Florida's amendment.
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We're not always going to hate the FBI, but what I do know is that when I toured the FBI headquarters,
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I saw it in a state of disrepair that is going to need the attention of the owners of that property, and that's us.
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The fact is, the building is crumbling, and there's going to be a need to do something.
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What that something is, I'm not an expert on, but I think it would be wrong for us to be taking this action today,
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pursuant to this amendment, without having at least a hearing and an opportunity for the people responsible for the facilities,
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FBI, GSA, any other stakeholder, to be able to help us understand what the situation is today and what the needs are of tomorrow.
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Gentlemen from Wisconsin Reserve, gentlemen from Florida is recognized.
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Mr. Speaker, it is not my grave concern that the FBI's building is crumbling.
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It is my grave concern that the civil liberties of Americans are crumbling,
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and I wish we were more worried about that and less worried about whether or not we got new carpet and wallpaper at the FBI building.
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My colleague from Arkansas says that the FBI headquarters is in a state of disrepair.
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Mr. Speaker, it is the FBI itself that is in a state of disrepair.
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And so while my colleague from Arkansas may be right that we may not always hate the FBI,
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how about while we are most concerned about the things they are doing, we not go build them a new $300 million building?
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Well, let me tell you about the hearing that mattered to me, and frankly, many of my Democrat colleagues who are also worried about civil liberties.
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The hearing where we learned that the FBI has conducted over 278,000 illegal queries on the FISA system.
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Or the hearing that said that the inspector general found that 38 times an hour these people were violating FISA.
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The notion that we would stand here and defend them, frankly, is deeply disappointing,
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and I think those folks deserve to sit in the rat-infested J. Edgar Hoover building
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until they get their act straight with America's civil liberties, our reserve.
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We are back live, and the person you heard debating against me wasn't a liberal Democrat.
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So a Republican was leading the debate against my amendment
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to not allow these hundreds of millions of dollars to go out the door for a new FBI headquarters.
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Now, Lisa on Facebook says it's time to dismantle the FBI and start over.
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I think if we started with a blank sheet of paper, even with the concept of federal law enforcement,
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and we would build in, I think, a lot more of the capabilities at the state and local level
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to be able to solve crimes, and we wouldn't have this intelligence-gathering,
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political, predictive apparatus at the FBI that's been corrupted.
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A DEMA on Facebook says they need to move out of Washington, D.C.
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There actually was a proposal to move them out of the D.C. metro area to Huntsville, Alabama.
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I wonder how my fellow Florida men and women feel about that.
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I think we should have all of the SEC states as like a buffer.
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I hear Nome, Alaska is lovely, never been myself.
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Maybe the Mariana Islands or Guam, that'd be a better place for the FBI.
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And Minnie on Rumble says she wants, Minnie wants names.
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Who were the 70, 70 Republicans who voted with Steve Womack and against my amendment?
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Don Bacon, and again, these are all Republicans who voted with the FBI.
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Don Bacon, Andy Barr, Cliff Bentz, Stephanie Bice, Mike Bost, Vern Buchanan, Ken Buck, Ken Calvert,
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Mike Carey, John Carter, Lori Chavez de Reamer, Tom Cole, Anthony D'Esposito, Mario Diaz-Balart,
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John Duarte, Chuck Edwards, Jake Elze, Randy Feenstra, Drew Ferguson, Brian Fitzpatrick, Mike Flood,
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Andrew Garbarino, Tony Gonzalez, Jennifer Gonzalez-Cologne, Kay Granger, Sam Graves,
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Brett Guthrie, Ashley Hinson, David Joyce, Tom Keen, Mike Kelly, Kevin Kiley, Young Kim,
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David Kustoff, Darren LaHood, Nick LaLoda, Doug Landborn, Mike Lawler, Laurel Lee, Julia Letlow,
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Frank Lucas, Blaine, Luca Meyer, Nicole Malliotakis, Richard McCormick, Patrick McHenry,
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Daniel Muser, Max Miller, Blake Moore, James Moylan, Greg Murphy, Dan Newhouse,
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Zach Nunn, Jay Obernolte, Mike Rogers, Hal Rogers, Maria Elvira Salazar, Austin Scott,
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Pete Sessions, Mike Simpson, Jason Smith, Chris Smith, Lloyd Smucker, Dale Strong,
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Glenn Thompson, Michael Turner, David Valadeo, Derek Van Orten, Ann Wagner, Brad Wenstrup,
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Those are the people who have not yet been sufficiently convinced that there is corruption
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in Washington, D.C. that would warrant not giving the FBI hundreds of millions of dollars
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and additional resources to have a massive headquarters here. Now, is this an indictment
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of every single person who works for the FBI? No. But what we learned in our investigations
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is that good people who worked at the FBI and other places, Wichita, Boston, they were getting
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misinformation, disinformation, bad information, bad instruction, and bad intentions that was all
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coming out of the rot of the swamp of Washington, D.C., where people here in the FBI actually think
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that their job is to function as some sort of political enforcement wing, not a law enforcement
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wing. And you don't have to believe me, as we've showed you before, but it is worth visiting again
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on the heels of that vote. Here is George Hill, an FBI whistleblower, talking about how the badness
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The SSA in Boston said they were going to a political rally, which is First Amendment
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protected activity. No, we're not uploading. We're not starting cases on these people.
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To which they said, well, we're going to call your SAC. And the SSA said, go right ahead. Because
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when you're pushing back, you know, you want to make sure that you have your six covered. So
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the SAC and the ASAC were intimately aware of these kinds of exchanges that were going on.
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And again, to his credit, Joe Bonavallanta said, no, we're not opening up cases on people who went
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to a rally. And I forgot a key part. The SSA for CT2 said, happy to do it. Show us where they were
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inside the Capitol. And we'll look into it. To which WFO said, we can't show you those videos
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unless you can tell us the exact time and place those individuals were inside the Capitol. To
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which the SSA responded back. And I was privy to these conversations firsthand. Why can't you show us,
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why can't you just send us, give us access to the 11,000 hours of video that's available?
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Because there may be, may be UC's undercover officers or CHS's confidential human for confidential
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human sources on those videos, whose identity we need to protect.
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Don't you see? We need more George Hills in the FBI. People who just want to get the facts. But you
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had all kinds of gamesmanship and politics and even seeding the January 6th riot with confidential
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human sources, perhaps undercover agents. Not perhaps, it's been functionally acknowledged.
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The problems arise when more of the decision-making in the FBI is made within the beltway, within the
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influence of DC, not when good patriotic Americans sign up to be part of a premier law enforcement
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agency and are just trying to do good. We saw that from so many whistleblowers. We also saw systemically
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how the FBI has just blown through our civil liberties. Used to be Democrats cared about civil
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liberties. But when I think about the abuses of the FBI, I cannot get past their illegal queries of
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the FISA system. And again, you don't have to believe me. Listen to the Obama-appointed Inspector
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General Michael Horowitz talking about how abusive the FBI is to the Constitution and our civil liberties
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and our laws. Take a listen. I want to get into the 3.4 million backdoor searches that the ranking
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member pointed out in his opening statement. Mr. Inspector General, how should the public think
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about those? Well, I think what we've seen in the various public reports, and I'm limited in what I can
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say about what's public, which I think is one of the issues, by the way, that's worth talking about is
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transparency here. It's obviously very concerning that there's that volume of searches and particularly
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concerning the error rate that was reported on in the last two years in the public reporting.
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And that error rate was what? I believe it was around 30 percent. I think, fellow members, I think it's
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around 30 percent. Well, 30 percent. I'm a lawyer, not a mathematician, but 3.4 million, about 30
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percent. You're talking about seven figures of error in terms of these searches. I'm wondering,
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how many people can perform these backdoor queries? I'm going to defer to board members because you have
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the review ongoing. I'm afraid I don't have those figures at my fingertips in terms of the number of
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people that can conduct those types of searches. But I share the concern expressed in the question
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that we need to have greater safeguards, and I urge Congress to incorporate a requirement for FISA
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court review of these kinds of searches to protect Americans' Fourth Amendment rights.
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Yeah, 3.4 million backdoor searches, more than a million of them in error. If I represent to you that
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we believe there may be north of 10,000 people in the federal government that can perform those queries,
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would anyone here have a basis to disagree with that assessment? No.
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10,000 people violating the law 38 times an hour for the period they were reviewed to get your
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information without a warrant. Sometimes they were searching their neighbors, other families that went
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went to school with their kids, their exes. It's just devious stuff. So when we had
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that amendment fail by 70 votes, and you all seem quite worked up about it.
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Preg Mima on Getter says, Lord, protect George Hill. And I agree with that. But when our amendment went
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down, we got the conservatives together and said, well, then guess what? We're not going to pass a bill
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to continue this type of funding. So the entire general government bill did not get voted on today.
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Not exclusively, but in large part because of the way these guys were treating our conservative
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amendments. People on this list of 70 continuously vote against the amendments to reduce spending and
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provide accountability offered by Republicans. And so we're not going to vote for government spending
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bills that continue the status quo and the problems and that don't showcase that the accountability and
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oversight work we do has to be lashed to money consequences to these different fiefdoms within
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our government. That's how it has to happen. So the bill that was planned to be passed off the floor
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today did not get a vote because it did not have the votes because too many so-called Republicans
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keep voting against actual Republican conservative amendments. Speaking of so-called Republicans,
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we're now going to address the curious case of Carlos Jimenez. Carlos Jimenez had quite an interesting
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reaction from a from a crowd last evening in Miami-Dade County when President Trump mentioned his name. But
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before we get to that, we have to get to we have to get to the backup. During the speaker contest,
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there were some people who disliked me so much for whatever reason, they wouldn't vote for Jim
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Jordan. They wouldn't vote for some other conservative options that we'd put together.
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And just so that you see how personal this was, take a listen to Carlos Jimenez as we were ousting
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I think it's despicable. I think that Matt Gaetz is looking for clicks. A lot of the things that he said
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that were wrong were actually going right. Look, I don't think it would, it has to do with Kevin
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McCarthy. I think it has to do with anybody who was there. This would have happened because Matt
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Gaetz wants attention. And so Matt Gaetz is Joe Biden's favorite Republican, without a doubt.
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What this has caused, this is causing damage to the Republican Party.
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People are telling, are calling me, not calling me, but there's, there are tweets about me that somehow
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I'm going to vote for Jeffries for, uh, for Speaker of the house. I was one of the guys that voted to
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keep Kevin McCarthy. All right. The only way that Jeffries can become Speaker of the house is because
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of the chaos that was caused by Matt Gaetz. And so no, look, I've been very consistent.
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Uh, Congressman Gaetz tweeted this out. He said that picking up on something that Congressman
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Ro Khanna put out that they'd raised the, the, the motion to vacate threshold up if they,
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if there were certain compromises, like a ban on congressional stock trading term limits to 12
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years ban on political donations from lobbyists, would that be a framework that you would be
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interested in and raising the threshold to vacate? No, I'm not going to be held hostage to eight
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people. Sorry. And it's going to happen. So no negotiation in your mind. No, no, no outcome.
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We can negotiate maybe, but no, this is like, again, a gun being held here and had,
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Hey, we can create chaos anytime we want. We want these things. Well, let's, let's debate those
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things inside the conference. Does the conference wants those things just because eight people,
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four people, five people want that. That is not the American way that's hostage taking
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and you don't negotiate with us. We're back live. Did you not see Carlos Jimenez? They're
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shilling to block a ban on congressional stock trading, shilling to block a vote on term limits,
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shilling to block a vote on a balanced budget amendment. These are substantive policy issues,
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but you just see in his tone and in his reaction, he's just so personally worked up over his dislike
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for me that he's unwilling to engage in good faith negotiations to try to change Washington and fix the
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House of Representatives. So he went on. It's quite something when someone criticizes me for
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attention seeking and then goes and seeks every opportunity to launch that criticism. But you know
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what? I think it's okay. I think the marketplace of ideas requires us to put our vision and our
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viewpoint before the public. And then guess what? We have elections and we have opportunities to see
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how the public will react to the positions that we take. And we got to see last night how a crowd in
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my, a Republican MAGA crowd in Miami-Dade County reacted to even the mention of Carlos Jimenez. Take a listen.
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And your Congressman Carlos Jimenez. Do you know him? Carlos Jimenez. Some people say Carlos Jimenez. Oh,
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you don't like him? What's going on? Carlos. Come on, Carlos. We got to get that straightened out.
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Carlos. I don't think President Trump really appreciated how negative that reaction would be
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with just the mention of Carlos Jimenez. If Carlos Jimenez had been on that stage in Miami-Dade County,
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he would have been booed off of it. And maybe it's the fact that in 2016, he said that he was voting
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for Hillary Clinton. And maybe in 2018, it was that he voted for Andrew Gillum. But maybe it was his
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most recent attacks against our efforts to try to improve the House of Representatives that were met
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with a righteous ire in lovely Hialeah in Miami-Dade County. Stay strong to Miami-Dade and to our great
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MAGA friends, and we will continue our work up here to change Washington. One person who seems to have
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changed his view on Ukraine. This next clip, I don't even know how to introduce it to you because
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when I first saw it, I thought it might've been an AI deepfake. This is Senator Lindsey Graham
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talking about his perspective on Ukraine. And this is a real video. Take a listen.
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This is the same administration that is having more illegal immigrants cross our border illegally
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than all presidents combined. They don't know what they're doing on the border. They don't know
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what they're doing when it comes to bad guys. If you had Donald Trump as president, we would secure
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the border tomorrow. People would listen to him in Mexico and other places because they're afraid of
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him. If he were president of the United States, this stuff with Iran would end. The only thing
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that works with bad guys is to be strong. Our border is broken. Our policies don't work. It's a
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matter of time that a bunch of Americans get killed. I will not vote for one dime for any country,
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including Israel, until we first secure our own border.
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We're back live. I never thought I'd hear those words from Lindsey Graham. The prioritization over our
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border or Ukraine's or Israel's or any other country. It's welcome news. And guess what?
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This shows that the feedback that people are giving right now to their elected representatives
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and to their senators is getting through. We are moving the Overton window on all of this unpaid
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for foreign aid that subjugates our priorities to some sort of secondary status. The people will not
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take that anymore and we'll see if the things that Senator Graham says on Hannity are actually
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reflected in how he votes and acts in the Senate. I hope they are and I hope that we're able to get
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that border legislation up and we should pressure Schumer on it because they're getting hammered in New
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York. Turns out when you invite all of the third world's problems to New York City, it's no sanctuary.
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It's a hell hole and the people are living in that hell hole and they should be contacting Senator
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Schumer and maybe he'll make a pivot or a move like we saw from Senator Graham. One person who's had
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to make a move is Kevin McCarthy, former speaker. And honestly, I hadn't thought about him in a while,
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but it seems I'm on his mind. We're just getting this report from CNN. They asked McCarthy if I ought to be
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thrown out of the Republican conference. And he said that the GOP would be better off tremendously
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if I were no longer in the party. McCarthy, directly being quoted here, says, quote,
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he doesn't have a conservative bent in his philosophy, just the nature of what he focuses on.
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Matt's goal was his goal to be the TV congressman. I think if you go and line up the number of TV
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interviews I've had with the number that McCarthy's had, he was sort of the TV speaker in the absence
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of substance. See, this is what they do. When I want to talk about budgets that balance, term limits,
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releasing the January 6th tapes, real accountability over the deep state, over the Biden family,
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they want to just say, oh, it's all personal. It's all personal, but they can't address the substance
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because they would be greeted a lot the way Carlos Jimenez's mention was greeted in Miami-Dade
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County. And hear McCarthy again on whether or not he thinks the GOP should expel Gates. Here's McCarthy.
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That's up to the conference. But I mean, I don't believe the conference will ever heal if there's no
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consequence for the action. Mr. Former Speaker, thoughts and prayers as you're going through all of
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your stages of grief here. I know that you mocked and made fun of Tim Burchett for praying about his
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decision to vote to remove you, but you're still in our prayers. And maybe if you didn't mock prayer and
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engaged in some, you would have better peace and comfort. And at the end of the day, we all expect Kevin
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McCarthy to go back and return to the people who he's always represented in Congress, on K Street, of
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course, not in Bakersfield. I don't think you'll be seeing him walking the streets of Bakersfield anytime soon.
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But the notion that the Republican conference is going to kick me out for doing something that was
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The decision to fire McCarthy and replace him with Mike Johnson has been popular. Popular with
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Democrats, popular with Republicans, popular with independents. It may be one of the most popular
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things House Republicans have done. Now, the potential with Mike Johnson is admittedly unfulfilled. I think
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we've got to give this guy the opportunity to lead. We've got to work with him. Where we disagree, we've got to
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present our ideas. We've got to demand that we be heard. We've got to seek not just process, but outcomes that
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advance the American people. And I know that's what Mike Johnson wants. But if what Kevin McCarthy wants is to make a
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motion to throw me out of the Republican conference, I guess all I can really say is bring the effing motion.
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