Episode 136 LIVE： Santos Expelled – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz
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On a historic day, Congressman George Santos of New York s Third District was expelled from the United States Congress by a more than two-thirds vote. We break down the arguments, who voted each way, and what it means for the House of Representatives.
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matt gates the biggest firebrand inside of the house of representatives you're not taking matt
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gates off the board okay because matt gates is an american patriot and matt gates is an american
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hero we will not continue to allow the uniparty to run this town without a fight i want to thank you
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matt gates for holding the line matt gates is a courageous man if we had hundreds of matt gates
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in dc the country turns around it's that simple he's so tough he's so strong he's smart and he
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loves this country matt gates it is the honor of my life to fight alongside each and every one of you
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we will save america it's choose your fighter time send in the firebrands
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welcome back to firebrand we are broadcasting live out of room 2021 of the rayburn house office
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building on the capitol complex in washington dc on a historic day when congressman george santos of
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new york's third district was expelled from the united states congress by more than two-thirds vote
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we're going to break down the arguments who voted each way and what it means for the house of
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representatives this effort was spearheaded by anthony d'esposito someone who has not yet served
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his first full year in the united states congress but somehow felt the need to set new precedent by
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advancing this expulsion and uh you had really uh quite the debate high emotions and for all the time
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that the united states congress has existed there's been pretty clear benchmarks as to what it takes
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to muster an expulsion and congressman d'esposito again not having served his first full year here
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believed it was upon him to set a new standard the d'esposito standard for due process and here is
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that brazen and that brazen admission take a listen the american people expect us to do the right thing
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the american people are watching for us to do the right thing and if we have an opportunity
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in this great institution to start a new precedent one that means we hold members of the house of
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representatives to a higher standard well ladies and gentlemen i'm pretty confident that the american
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people would applaud that i'm pretty confident that the american people expect that and i hope that
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tomorrow in this great chamber we set that precedent mr speaker we set a precedent that we as members
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of america's oldest institution are held to a higher standard
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i guess we are all so fortunate that we have anthony d'esposito to set the higher standard for all of us
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but is it a higher standard when you lower due process i had debate in response to congressman d'esposito
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that i offered on the floor take a listen i'd like to yield as much time as uh he may consume my
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colleague from florida mr gates gentleman from florida is recognized i do not believe that the long
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island crew is acting in bad faith just exceedingly bad judgment and here's why since the beginning of
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this congress there's only two ways you get expelled you get convicted of a crime or you participated in
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the civil war neither apply to george santos and so i rise not to defend george santos whoever he is
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but to defend the very precedent that my colleagues are willing to shatter now let's speak to due process
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mr santos hasn't been convicted of anything but we haven't even moved to expel the people who have
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mr bowman pled guilty to a misdemeanor for his little fire alarm stunt weeks ago so like while the ethics
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committee is marching to throw george santos out of congress they take no action as to someone who
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actually pled guilty to a crime what's that all about and then there's all this talk about well
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he could have come and testified to the ethics committee and he didn't so he had his due process
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but that belies the fact that he faces a trial and had mr santos testified before the ethics committee
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an argument could have been made that he waived any of his rights that he would have had at trial
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that any american would enjoy so it was a it was a procedural double bind that shouldn't be held
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against mr santos as some sort of adverse inference let's also talk about this precedent the fact
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pattern as to mr santos is remarkably similar to the fact pattern of former representative duncan hunter
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duncan hunter used campaign money on girlfriends and trips and home improvements and all sorts of personal
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lavishes he was indicted for those crimes and continued to serve in congress he pled guilty
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to a number of those crimes and continued to serve in congress he was in congress for like
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an additional pay period after having pled guilty to the very same things that were that mr santos has been
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indicted for and so i think it's it's persuasive to me that mr higgins and mr nell's two law enforcement
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officials with sterling reputations are here not necessarily to defend mr santos but to defend
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this precedent and this due process that is being shattered and i was struck when the author of this
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resolution said the quiet part out loud he didn't try to shoehorn the expulsion of george santos
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into some existing construct or precedent he said yep we're making a whole new precedent
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we're making whole new rules right now but he defends that by saying that the new rules are better
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that it's a higher standard so we should just throw away everything that's happened from the first
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congress to the 118th because the new precedent is more robust the problem is it's a lower standard for
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due process without merit mr speaker whatever mr santos did with botox or only fans is far less
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concerning to me than the indictment against senator menendez who's holding gold bars inscribed with
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arabic on them from egypt while he is still getting classified briefings today but he's not getting
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thrown out of the senate he's getting classified briefings under indictment for bribery but whoa what
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because because santos was was buying botox and only fans we got to throw him out
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if george santos is convicted he ought to be expelled but until then it is an incredibly
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dangerous thing for people in washington dc to substitute their judgment for the judgment of
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voters winston churchill said that you know in in a democracy people get the government that they
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deserve well the people of mr santos's district elected him and like this is not some district
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in rural mississippi with like one newspaper this is new york city and george santos rolls in there
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wins and you know what it's between him and his voters him and the justice system and the fact that
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the ethics committee has done this incredible violation of precedent will do grave damage to this
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institution for many years to come because now there is no requirement of any conviction there is a
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departure from the precedent from the duncan hunter matter and many others and i i fear what that
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may indicate lies ahead for the future of due process in the house of representatives i yield back
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there is no standard anymore for expulsion if the standard was conviction of a criminal violation
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then jamal bowman would have been subject to expulsion but congressman jamal bowman after his
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fire alarm stunt didn't even have a single adverse action against him by the ethics committee that's
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right the matter of jamal bowman was referred to the ethics committee and the ethics committee said
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nothing to see here we declined to take any action against someone who pled guilty to a crime
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so that's not the standard is the standard lying george santos told lies so we've got to throw him out
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if we're throwing out every liar in congress we can get rid of a lot of the seats on the house floor
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and by the way on the live stream you seem to take particular note of the fact that if we're throwing
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out liars why don't we start with adam schiff not george santos and what if it's just we throw out people
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we don't like how about rashida talib you see all of this is crazy there was a standard that held for
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hundreds of years but some new york freshmen who've been here for all of 11 months decide it's upon
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them to set a new precedent a higher precedent how foolish how short-sighted it's important to note
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this is not on mike johnson so some of you have asked me well if this was something that we shouldn't
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have done if it was something speaker mike johnson was against then why did mike johnson allow the vote to
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come to the floor and as we've discussed kind of the intricacies of procedure on this program when
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there are certain matters by house rule that are privileged which means they don't require the
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consent of either party's leadership or the floor managers or the leaders the speaker to have a vote
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any member can force a vote on something that is privileged and i gotta say i don't disagree with
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that paradigm because i've used it quite frequently i use the privilege of one member to force votes on
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where we ought to have u.s troops marjorie taylor green and i have used the privilege to try to advance
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impeachments that we think need to be voted on for people like mayorkas and i think perhaps
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considerably more folks within the biden administration joe biden himself
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you also have privilege to remove a speaker and so we don't disagree with the concept that any member
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should have privilege to bring certain things to the floor but it's important when you're trying
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to assess who is accountable for this foolishness to not visit that on house speaker mike johnson
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santos has been expelled the governor of new york has been notified there'll be a special election
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and let me just break down the math for you practically and what this means republicans had
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a four-seat majority okay expel santos that's a three-seat majority congressman bill johnson of ohio
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he's taking a job to be president of youngstown state no one can blame him for that kind of a dream
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job now it's a two-seat majority every photograph of kevin mccarthy's offices indicate that he's packing
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up and i don't think it's just for the holiday break so if mccarthy departs now you're down to a one-seat
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majority do you know how many octogenarians we have in the republican conference like god forbid
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any of them were to take their last breath this action unprecedented would be the reason
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democrats could take control of the house of representatives so the math is very very important
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there was uh there was more stirring debate more hypocrisy that i want to showcase for you
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this was an exchange between ohio congressman max miller and george santos and just for for background
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here congressman miller previously served in the trump white house and had a romantic relationship
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with stephanie grisham stephanie grisham then wrote a book saying that max miller used to beat her
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i don't think max miller beat anyone i don't know but i don't jump to conclusions based on allegations
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i've lived too much life and gone through too much to pass judgment just on the face of allegations in
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the absence of evidence but max miller and george santos had quite the testy exchange on the house
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i myself have been a victim of george santos and as well as other members of congress in terms of
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defrauding through public donations i had received an ethics complaint from the fec which i had to spend
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tens of thousands to defend myself you sir are a crook i know i should direct my comments to the
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chair i yield back gentlemen gentlemen's time has expired uh gentlemen from new york mr santos is
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recognized i'd like to move to have the gentleman from ohio's word stricken from the record please
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gentleman's request is not timely but i would remind members to direct their remarks to the
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hypocrisy as i mentioned my colleague wants to come up here call me a crook
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same colleague who's accused of being a woman beater are we are we really going to ignore the
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facts that we all have passed and we all have the media coming out against us on a daily basis
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we're back live and a lot of you are asking about senator menendez you on the live stream are
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very very upset about the fact that bob menendez is caught with these gold bars from egypt while he
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was the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee and he's still in the senate getting
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these classified briefings and yet george santos is expelled and here's something quite rich a tweet
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that we get from olivia beavers of politico who notes that senator menendez's son who serves in the
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house of representatives actually voted to expel george santos so someone should ask representative
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menendez if he believes that allegations alone justify removal and guess what it looks like he does
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that's what his voting card says would he vote to remove his own father maybe we ought to have a
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sense of congress that senator menendez shouldn't be serving in the senate put that up and see how
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representative menendez votes on it and and what it again it goes back to the point i made at the top
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of this report there is no standard there is no bright line it's now a function of your popularity in
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congress and that that is so beneath the dignity of this institution so who did it what republicans
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joined with democrats to weaken our majority to erode precedent and due process because they had to
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expel george santos 105 of them let's put those up let's put those names up i'm going to leave them up
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so that you have an opportunity to see the 105 republicans who think it's better to set a new
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precedent and diminish the important due process that our nation is founded on and and there are there
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are a few names here that are particularly interesting to me because four of the people who voted to expel
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george santos from congress stood in the way of impeachment of mayorkas
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those representatives would be cliff bentz of oregon virginia fox of north carolina mr duarte of
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california and mr buck of colorado those four members sought fit to expel santos but protect
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mayorkas that is a tough tough sell that's bens buck duarte and fox
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no impeachment for mayorkas but expulsion for george santos unreal uh there was also activity
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in the senate that was bizarre and weird this week that i want you to be able to see now the senate of
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course has the advice and consent function in the constitution for federal nominees to the bench
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to article three courts so the judiciary committee spends a lot of time in the senate going over who
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the president is nominated to serve on one bench or another they debate they discuss sometimes i refer
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to the senate as the house of lords they have they have no real time constraint when they're on the floor
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they call themselves the most exclusive club in the world the most deliberative body in the world
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senator dick durbin of illinois is the chairman of the senate judiciary committee and just remarkably
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he started moving to votes in the absence of full robust and complete debate on the nominees
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usually the senate is viewed as the collegial body right they're the saucer that cools the tea
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see if this looks deliberative to you take a listen
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mr chairman mr chairman don't we get the opportunity to speak we're in a roll call
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so you're telling us to shut up even though multiple members you want us to shut up is that what you're
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saying a lot of people didn't speak on the two nominees before we've done i would you raise your
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hand if you did not speak i did not have a chance to speak senator blackburn had a chance to speak
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we've got several folks mr chairman who didn't have a chance to speak we want to tell you again why
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these nominees are awful mr wells or in senator corin's case tell you for the first time you're just
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going to sit there and ignore us i'm waiting to be heard on the nominee i've requested several
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times to be heard on the nominee so now i guess senator durbin's not going to allow women to speak
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either i thought that was sacrosanct in your party next is judge yumi lee nominated to the u.s
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district court for the mr chairman who has not been allowed to speak on that mr chairman you just
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destroyed yeah one of the most important committees in the united states senate chair would and you
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set a precedent the chair will be repeated every time one party or the other takes advantage and
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takes the low road it sets a precedent that will then be come the norm congratulations on destroying
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the united states senate judiciary committee up next to judge yumi lee nominated to the u.s district court
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who has not spoken on this nominee i don't know what drives this dick i really don't mr chairman
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is it you driving it or is it your staff driving this this is completely inappropriate not to let us
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be heard on these nominations and you know that yes senators don't really like it when you cut them
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off and don't give them the opportunity to give remarks but it begs the question what about the
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debate from lindsey graham or senator cornyn or senator blackburn was like so concerning to dick durbin
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that he didn't want to hear it i know one thing dick durbin didn't want to have happen and marsha
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blackburn was was pretty sharp on this point so you've got a real move in the senate to try to discredit
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the supreme court right now they don't like the decisions that have come out of the supreme court
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with trump having fundamentally remade the court and decisions starting to align with originalism
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through through the work that they're doing and the decisions that are coming out so they want to
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discredit the court and they've really put a target on clarence thomas we've talked about that a lot on
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the program and so they're sending out all these subpoenas all of these demands to try to just kind
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of rough up smear and imperil the court and so senator blackburn marsha blackburn out of tennessee she's
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really one of my favorites over there she's a firecracker and she thought well if we're sending
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out subpoenas how about we send some out for the epstein flight logs how about get that information
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senator durbin how about the judiciary committee be more worried about who was flying around with
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epstein rather than who was flying around with clarence thomas here's how that went take a listen
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and since we're in the business of issuing subpoenas now here are a few more that i've filed
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a subpoena to jeffrey epstein's estate to provide the flight logs for his private plane given the
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numerous allegations of human trafficking and a sexual abuse surrounding mr epstein i think it is
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very important that we identify everybody that was on that plane and how many trips they took on that
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plane and the destinations to which they arrived so senator blackburn made that request and senator
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durbin blocked it blocked the request to send a subpoena for the epstein flight logs you have to
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wonder why you see the democrats don't like when republicans like senator blackburn punch back and she
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did effectively and sometimes you you really reveal more about how these folks are thinking
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by what they're willing to imperil rather than what they're willing to advance incredibly revealing now
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i saw that on the gateway pundit a website that i read they do breaking news they do investigative
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reporting they do opinion pieces they publish op-eds the gateway pundit is a great website it's a great
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source for analysis and information and opinion well we went back to harvest the clip to show you on
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this program from the gateway pundit and i have breaking news for you the united states house of
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representatives has blocked access for congressmen and congressional staff to the gateway pundit that's
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right if you try to go to the gateway pundit the website is blocked according to house of
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representatives policy so we're going to fix that i don't know who thought that was an appropriate
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action but we're going to get to the bottom of it i'm going to be speaking with the house
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administration committee chairman style speaker of the house if necessary we're not going to have the
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house censoring our access to conservative news into conservative analysis speaking of blocking
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access to information that is the story of what's going on with unidentified aerial phenomenon right
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now we've had congressman tim birchett of tennessee on the program before to talk about uaps ufos
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and right now we're in the process of negotiating the national defense authorization act and we are
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trying to get provisions into that bill that require the dod and the cia and the faa and the nsa and the
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fbi and state and local authorities to get this information available for review by members of
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congress and ultimately the american people the government has been holding secrets for too long
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on uaps and i'm not here to tell you that they're little green men witnesses have told us that witnesses
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have talked about biologics that are non-human that are not of earth origin whistleblowers have come
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forward from the cia to talk about aircraft that have been recovered but i'm about the facts and the
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evidence i'm a lawyer by trade so just as in the santos matter allegations alone are insufficient but
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when we see the allegations and then we try to do the investigation to find out okay is this you know some
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debris is this a foreign adversary is it something even more concerning and nefarious all we get is
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the runaround well a few of us had had enough we had a bipartisan press conference to go over what
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we were doing to try to get answers take a listen we are here today because all of the whistleblowers
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the hearings the investigations the discussions the work that we have done have culminated in a
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negotiation that is happening in real time right now over the national defense authorization act a
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piece of legislation i care deeply about as a member of the house armed services committee
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and in that negotiation we are fortunate that the amendment congressman birchett offered to the house
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version of the ndaa provides a beachhead for us to be able to get the answers and to be able to
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demand the transparency that is necessary it is insufficient though to seek this transparency
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from the department of defense alone we have to have cooperation so that title 50 authorities through
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the intelligence community are also subject to review that the faa the nsa the fbi even state and local
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authorities that have information are able to have that catalogued assessed and then put out before the
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public it is my belief that the birchett amendment is the strongest position uh when when coupled with
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the additional authorities and additional agencies that i've just mentioned in order to be able to get to
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that productive result unfortunately we have members of the house intelligence committee and the senate armed
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services committee who right now are frustrating the effort that we are putting forward in order to be able to
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to obtain the information and to move forward i think it is productive that senator schumer has engaged
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on this issue he's not an insignificant person in this town but i am concerned about embracing a disclosure
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paradigm that mirrors the jfk assassination disclosure paradigm i don't know that there are any americans
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who would view the jfk assassination disclosure paradigm as some sort of vaulted standard time and again we've
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seen that that system fail i also don't believe that pursuant to the schumer language we would have to wait 25
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years in order to get this information 25 years is a long time when you consider what mr birchett said
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about the uh the uh the lack of of veracity that the government has provided to the people up into this
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point and so we're here to call for the most inclusive most robust provisions possible to be included in the
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ndaa we don't want to see a lot of log jams created and in the event that there's any designation of a national
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security concern regarding disclosure we believe that this information can no longer be siloed with
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the entities that have frustrated disclosure that there should be broader briefings to members of
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congress that the oversight committee which many of my colleagues here serve on should be receiving
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those briefings that the armed services committee should be receiving those briefings and it should
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not just be the fiefdom of the intelligence committee and uh the intelligence community and if we
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achieve that objective i think we can start to restore some of the trust the public has but as we
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work through the finer points of that legislation we felt it was important today to come forward and
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express where the log jams exist where the opportunities lay before us and we will pursue those with great
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vigor i also wanted to specifically thank house armed services chairman mike rogers he allowed the
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birchett amendment to go on the bill without objection and i think he is to be commended for that
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and also when uh my my colleagues uh miss luna and mr birchin and i were at an air force base and
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were told by air force officials that we weren't allowed to see information that whistleblowers had
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expressed to us existed it was in fact chairman rogers himself who personally engaged with the office of
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the secretary of defense and gave us the opportunity to view the images that were taken by pilots of some of
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these unidentified aerial phenomenon so uh work to be done but we hope that this gives you clarity as
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to what our goals are how the scope and depth of uh of the mission ahead
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we are back live and uh that was congresswoman anna paulina luna standing behind me in retro on youtube
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says she makes plaid look good quite quite the observation so we often share information with you about how the
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government works with private companies to go around your fourth amendment rights and it's
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too often that i have to report to you time and time again of these egregious examples of federal
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government malfeasance you are not going to believe what the federal government has been up to
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with at&t and this time senator wyden a democrat from oregon seems to have stumbled on a real big
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violation of civil liberties it's called the hemisphere project man if that doesn't sound like the name of
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some sort of bond villains evil like project i do not know what does so apparently the hemisphere project
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is a program where the white house office of national drug control policy pays at&t to provide all
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federal state local and tribal law enforcement agencies with the ability to request searches
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of trillions of domestic phone records dating back to at least 1987 plus the four billion call records
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that are added every single day senator wyden thinks that these searches are usually occurring without
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warrants that is awful but not entirely unbelievable when you look at the faiza abuses that our own
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government's engaged in so at&t of course claims that any of this information would have been
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compelled by a subpoena warrant or court order but it's hard to know who to believe the dea of course
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can issue subpoenas even without the need of courts what we do know is that hemisphere is not subject
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to a federal privacy impact assessment due to how it's being funded apparently the white house provides a
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grant to the houston high intensity drug trafficking area which is a partnership between federal state
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and local law enforcement agencies and then this partnership in turn pays at&t to operate its
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surveillance scheme potentially outside of the bounds of the constitution now if hemisphere were subject
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to a federal privacy impact assessment that would mean the public would be able to see a report
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that includes how any analysis of personally identifiable information is handled a federal privacy
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impact assessment is both an analysis and a document detailing the the outcomes and the impacts of course
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but we'll never see such a document because the feds are trying to keep all of this very hush-hush
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hemisphere is also not subject to the freedom of information act because the justice department has
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labeled the program and its documents all law enforcement sensitive this designation prevents the documents
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from being publicly released so they really don't want you to know what's going on behind the scenes
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senator wyden's law enforcement source a whistleblower has called hemisphere google on steroids and it appears
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that hemisphere can pull in phone records of everyone who communicated with the target of an investigation
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that is a huge net and at&t is quite literally casting that net for the feds
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the white house is dodging having to explain the ins and outs of the program and my guess is that's
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because they'd have a hard time explaining it to the courts to the american people and as we continue to
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investigate we'll learn more about this suspect program and we'll see just what big brother is trying to hide from us
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the federal intelligence apparatus has morphed into a complete and total police state instead of
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respecting the spirit of the fourth amendment they're working overtime to try to go around it undermine it
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get private companies to do what they couldn't do directly but then they pay those private companies
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congress has to put a stop to this and hold the government accountable to the people that's exactly
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what i plan to do as we move forward with this investigation and senator wyden should be commended for
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his work and his development of the whistleblower who has brought this forward i also want to give you a
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key update regarding the border we get this report from the daily caller texas border sector at 169
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migrant capacity uh the border patrol nationwide has about 20 000 migrants in their custody
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the arizona tucson sector 175 capacity nationwide the capacity is just absolutely brimming now you know what i
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think about the border detain or remove detain or remove if we don't have a bed for somebody
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then they need to go home they need to be rejected at the border of course that's not what the biden
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administration is doing they they just want more money to process more people into the country and
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they think that's the sweetener to give conservatives to get us to vote for more money for ukraine which is
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crazy i will never do that write it down you have my commitment the final story i want to update you
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on this comes from newsweek seth rich's laptop to be turned over to the fbi a judge has ordered the fbi
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to turn over the laptop of murdered democrat staffer seth rich rich was killed on july 10 2016 while making
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his way home in washington dc and in this case it appears as though the records on that laptop have
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not yet been uncovered and they want to get to the bottom of it rich's death sparked a wave of conspiracy
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theories claiming he was responsible for publicly leaking thousands of dnc emails this according to newsweek
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but are they conspiracy theories i guess we'll find out one person's you know there's there's an
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interesting cycle in washington right first it's a conspiracy theory then it's russian disinformation
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then it's true but not that big a deal and then it's a basis to go and target prosecute defame
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conservatives well a lot of people have been trying to get to the bottom of the seth rich thing for a
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while and i think that requiring this laptop to be turned over might give us more answers than we've
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received to date thank you so much for joining me today on firebrand again a historic day
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with the erosion of due process and precedent in the house of representatives with the expulsion
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of george santos it was an act of self-mutilation by the house republican conference 105 republicans voting for
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it even including four who stood in the way of accountability for failed homeland security secretary
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