The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - Episode 145 LIVE： Who Is The J6 Pipe Bomber？ (feat. Rep. Thomas Massie) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

00:00:00.000 matt gates the biggest firebrand inside of the house of representatives you're not taking matt

00:00:08.400 gates off the board okay because matt gates is an american patriot and matt gates is an american

00:00:13.720 hero we will not continue to allow the uniparty to run this town without a fight i want to thank 1.00

00:00:20.880 you matt gates for holding the line matt gates is a courageous man if we had hundreds of matt gates

00:00:28.300 in dc the country turns around it's that simple he's so tough he's so strong he's smart and he

00:00:35.060 loves this country matt gates it is the honor of my life to fight alongside each and every one of you

00:00:42.860 we will save america it's choose your fighter time send in the fire brains

00:00:48.520 can you tell us how the second pipe bomb was found at the dnc again i'm not going to get into

00:01:00.180 that here 900 days ago is when this happened and you said you had total confidence we'd apprehend

00:01:06.100 the subject we've found video that looks like somebody a passerby miraculously found this pipe

00:01:12.360 bomb at the dnc and then notified the police miraculously i say because it was it specifically

00:01:18.980 the same the precise time to cause the maximum distraction from the events going on at the

00:01:24.200 capitol can you show this video that we have please i'd like to know if the director has seen this

00:01:29.680 this is somebody with a with a mask on wearing a hat they're walking in front of the dnc which is

00:01:35.480 out of the view on the right hand side you'll see him come into view he goes to one police car

00:01:40.840 he goes to another police car he's holding a backpack he's got a mask on he's talking to the

00:01:45.120 police and within a minute they start scrambling you'll see the camera turn to the pipe bomb the

00:01:52.060 location of the pipe bomb by the way that's i believe the metro police are now getting out of

00:01:56.020 their car and that's uh vice president elect detail in the black suv i believe parked about 30 feet from

00:02:04.560 the pipe bomb eating lunch okay now we go over to the location of the pipe bomb the cameras are

00:02:10.120 scrambling it it appears to me that that's not a coincidence that the person with the backpack who

00:02:17.480 walked by that bench and then went up to the police uh and the detail didn't it didn't do that

00:02:25.600 accidentally they had a purpose in mind and then what transpired after that was the result of

00:02:30.800 information that person gave to them if that person found the pipe bomb would they be a suspect

00:02:36.820 well again i don't want to speculate about specific individuals i will tell you that we have done

00:02:43.280 thousands of interviews uh reviewed something like 40 000 video files of which this is uh one

00:02:51.180 assessed 500 something tips have you interviewed the devices we we have conducted all logical investigative

00:02:59.280 steps and interviewed all logical individuals at this point then you need it's 900 days you need to

00:03:05.040 tell us what you found because we're finding stuff you haven't released into the public

00:03:09.240 we are live that was kentucky's thomas massey he joins us now on firebrand you asked director ray

00:03:18.560 these questions about the person who found the pipe bomb because you believe that that could tell us more

00:03:24.700 about this really exquisite event on january 6th that was unlike anything else that happened on january

00:03:30.400 6th there were no weapons that were found on people that were around the capital but before we get into

00:03:36.620 this person who found the pipe bomb the work of your staff above and beyond to go and ascertain

00:03:42.860 these video movements just for a moment talk about the significance of the pipe bomb in the overall

00:03:50.780 january 6th narrative and how it's been used against people well i mean the narrative they're trying to

00:03:55.460 push is this was an insurrection the problem is there were no weapons you know you would think to

00:04:00.140 bring a weapon to an insurrection but the only weapons there were were weapons of mass destruction

00:04:05.340 these two pipe bombs right uh it heightens basically the chances that you're going to get indicted

00:04:11.640 these are these pipe bombs are mentioned in the statements to indict people it brings up the overall

00:04:17.300 tenor of what was going on that day and um so it's significant if these were real or not

00:04:23.420 and um you know their theories on why they were there were they diversions who wanted a diversion

00:04:29.680 who wanted to make it easier to get into the capital that day and when the government wanted to have

00:04:35.820 higher criminal acuity and charging documents the pipe bombs were referenced even probably factoring

00:04:41.740 into the sentencing decisions of some judges for people that were blocks away and had nothing to do

00:04:46.580 with these pipe bombs so you have been like a dog on a bone you've been uh questioning the director

00:04:51.840 of the fbi and others about this pipe bomb and one of the things that i learned yesterday in one of

00:04:56.820 our discussions with house judiciary colleagues is that this pipe bomb is substantially similar to the

00:05:02.700 pipe bombs that are used for certain types of training is that right yeah it looks identical to

00:05:07.760 the training pipe bombs they build um or train with that the fbi uses so it so i just want to draw a fine

00:05:15.980 point on it the very type style function that the fbi trains on is substantially similar to what was

00:05:22.560 found right down to the 60 minute kitchen timer now here's the problem with the 60 minute kitchen

00:05:27.020 timer on these bombs both of them had identical 60 minute kitchen timers the fbi claims that these

00:05:34.080 bombs were placed 17 hours before they were discovered and so the you know that begs the question that i

00:05:40.180 asked the assistant director in charge of washington dc field office how because he he still claims they

00:05:46.460 all still claim these were viable pipe bombs i said how does a 60 minute kitchen timer set off a bomb

00:05:53.580 17 hours later and he said it can't it won't it doesn't right so so they they had to they essentially set a

00:06:01.940 17 hour fuse with a timer that was only an hour right because i guess the training manual only shows

00:06:09.440 you how to build one with a kitchen timer on it so your staff then goes to look at the video and you

00:06:16.800 send your team to look at the different angles and you come up with what we're showing on the screen now

00:06:21.940 and you see a very specific person who ends up finding this pipe bomb and ends up reporting it uh was there

00:06:31.060 anything about these behaviors you're seeing that immediately piqued your curiosity well first of

00:06:36.740 all the lackadaisical response to the um to the notification that there's a bomb nearby in in that

00:06:44.420 video that i showed christopher ray we had to speed it up and take out parts of it to get that all that

00:06:51.340 done in a testimony because they mill about they finish their lunch in their cars after the guy with the

00:06:57.720 backpack comes up and says hey there's a bomb over here they sit in their cars eating lunch for a

00:07:03.100 while the secret service looks it looks like the secret service had got in the the mpd car and was

00:07:10.940 having lunch with them and it takes it about four minutes for them to get out by the way in the

00:07:16.420 meantime their school children walking past what they've been told is a bomb sitting there man so so

00:07:22.660 you're you're immediately taking note of the lack of sense of urgency around this you know belief that

00:07:29.360 uh an explodable bomb has been discovered right and then one other thing matt you know when i first saw

00:07:35.960 the video we didn't have as much information as we have now we've we've got more information my first

00:07:41.900 thought is who is that person who found the bomb like because and i asked antoono in in a transcribed

00:07:48.800 interview wouldn't that be a suspect and he said that's investigation 101 dan tuano is the assistant

00:07:54.040 director in charge of washington dc field office the guy in charge of this investigation for two years

00:07:59.140 okay and so and so you recently met with capitol police correct today today and what did you learn

00:08:06.500 in that meeting i learned that uh backpack guy january 6 backpack guy not to be confused with

00:08:12.460 january 5th backpack person uh the backpack guy was a uh non-uniform you know plainclothes

00:08:22.200 police officer in you know in the employ of the capitol hill police

00:08:27.440 the the person who found the pipe bomb the person who di antoono who was leading the investigation say

00:08:36.560 oh yeah the person who found it it'd be investigation 101 that they would be a suspect initially until ruled

00:08:42.060 out you're saying that person was an undercover plainclothes capitol police officer and the capitol police

00:08:49.420 confirmed that to you today they confirmed that to me today yes uh uh which so by the way

00:08:55.540 it what does that mean to you well it it heightens some of my concerns and and uh reduces some of the

00:09:02.620 other concerns okay one of the concerns that's heightened was you know trying to give the the

00:09:09.300 secret service and the metro police department the benefit of the doubt when they took four minutes

00:09:14.780 you know they finished their lunch before they went and dealt with this pipe bomb i wanted to give

00:09:19.040 them the benefit of the doubt and think that well if it's just some random passerby and he said hey

00:09:23.020 there's something shiny over there could be a lawn sprinkler you know not sure maybe want to check it

00:09:28.640 out but that's not what it was it was it was a person who was you know they say again when i relate

00:09:36.500 this to you i'm relating what the capitol police have told me they say it was a capitol police officer

00:09:41.860 who found this bomb and that he told them it was a bomb and he radioed it in said we've we've got the

00:09:50.100 device we found another device remember here's the other just amazing timing is that the first pipe

00:09:58.960 bomb the one at the capitol hill club now they call it the rnc pipe bomb but they really should be

00:10:03.960 calling it the capitol hill pipe bomb i mean the the two buildings are next to each other

00:10:08.240 but it was like the capitol hill club which is an entity where republican members of congress

00:10:13.920 socialize and fundraise right um the reason i'm making that distinction is darren beady who's done

00:10:21.080 amazing work on this okay he's the guy who's said hey you should be asking some of these questions and

00:10:26.880 i said you know what you're right i will be asking those questions he points out that the rnc dnc

00:10:32.540 narrative was was made up after the fact you know it was really the capitol hill club dnc narrative

00:10:39.180 that they should be talking about but it if it just sounds a lot better that oh we knew to go look

00:10:43.820 at the dnc once we found one at the rnc interesting well if you thought somebody was going to blow up the

00:10:48.820 rnc and they don't they hate republicans why would they also want to blow anyways so um you know they

00:10:56.640 come down this this plainclothes police officer who had been in the vicinity of that one they had

00:11:02.600 just found that the timing is remarkable because it found oh it was found five minutes before the

00:11:08.460 breach of the bicycle racks uh near at the perimeter of the capitol just a miraculous timing that you

00:11:15.680 know would have provided exactly the right timing to distract after sitting in an alley for 17 hours

00:11:22.240 you know by found by somebody who says she was going to go do her laundry okay then within they

00:11:30.560 respond to that uh they secure the area and 15 minutes later they find this other bomb like what

00:11:36.880 miraculous timing well i i definitely don't believe that the capitol police would purposefully go

00:11:44.100 and set a bomb anywhere that could potentially blow up and do anyone harm i i i am not there that they

00:11:50.260 would do something like that however you seem to point out in questioning with the atf director

00:11:54.960 that this wasn't an operational bomb that was going to blow up and hurt anybody remember that

00:11:59.600 right the the um assistant director in charge he went on tv and and said these were operable bombs and

00:12:07.020 you know offered a reward put out a message that they played on tv and so in the beginning of my

00:12:12.840 transcribed interview with him he still maintained that they were operable well hold on we're going to

00:12:17.240 get the atf director's take on that questioning from congressman massey take a listen also i see

00:12:24.300 that you're cooperating with the fbi the atf is on the january 6 pipe bomb investigation what can you

00:12:30.620 tell us about how that's going um obviously that's a significant matter it is an ongoing criminal

00:12:37.820 investigation and so i'm not going to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation were those pipe

00:12:42.340 bombs operable again the atf is the expert again it's an ongoing and criminal investigation and

00:12:50.200 under long-standing policy i cannot comment and we've just had a whole committee for two years that

00:12:54.600 investigated ongoing investigation so i'm not accepting that answer from you uh we need to know

00:13:00.500 these things do you know how the pipe bomb was discovered at the dnc we've been told how it was

00:13:06.340 discovered at the rnc and in according to a press release from the fbi you're working with them on this

00:13:11.080 investigation respectfully um i understand your disagreement but i cannot comment because it is

00:13:16.580 an ongoing criminal investigation it's an ongoing cover-up so so helpful it's their policy not to

00:13:23.780 comment on ongoing cover-ups yeah it seems like it so here's what i've come to know since that

00:13:30.340 kind of interview too um you know you chase some leads i believe based on um discussions with police

00:13:38.320 with fbi and with former atf who now works for capital police that it the bombs went to quantico

00:13:46.880 for inspection not to the atf now he could have just told me that in the hearing oh interesting he

00:13:53.600 could have said well we didn't we didn't look at the fragments after we blew these things up it was

00:13:57.900 actually fbi quantico looked at them but he didn't he wouldn't even tell me that so either doesn't

00:14:03.440 know it or just is so stuck on it like a broken record on it's our long-standing policy not to

00:14:09.060 comment so we're in this meeting last night and one of our republican colleagues turns to you as

00:14:13.340 you're explaining how long it's been that this has been an open investigation these videos that show

00:14:19.340 the strange behavior of a person we now know was a plainclothes capital police officer and one of our

00:14:25.180 republican colleagues kept pressing you and saying but thomas why would they do this why would anyone

00:14:29.860 try to um plant these phony fake devices in order to create confusion that day and you know we we

00:14:39.740 don't know the answer to that question in all honesty do you have a working theory yeah well um again i don't

00:14:46.680 know who did it but i can tell you a consequence of this because this is buried in the back of the

00:14:51.660 january 6th committee report that um there was a call to bring more bike racks to the capital they

00:14:59.920 had hundreds of them loaded up ready to bring to the capital to reinforce the capital and it turns out

00:15:06.840 those never made it because this dnc pipe bomb was discovered and they set up a perimeter and blocked

00:15:12.220 them from coming so if there was a booby trap intended to um have people commit a technical violation

00:15:21.200 of federal criminal law with no intent to break the law that was facilitated perhaps by the very

00:15:29.440 interestingly timed discovery of these two devices yeah whether there was intent or not the the result

00:15:35.080 of this according to the january 6th committee was that uh it made it easier to breach the capital

00:15:40.920 because the reinforcements couldn't be brought to the capital there's a report in the daily wire i don't

00:15:47.020 know quite what to make of it it says fbi tied january 6th pipe bomber to metro card of ex-government

00:15:54.140 official but blocked interview of him former agent says uh this former agent kyle seraphin very outspoken

00:16:00.300 has been someone who's facilitated uh other whistleblower testimony and and the head the lead here is a

00:16:06.840 former fbi agent says the bureau quickly believed that it tied the person who planted the pipe bombs at the

00:16:12.640 democratic national committee and the republican national committee to a particular metro fare card

00:16:17.700 and license plate but did not allow him to interview the person of interest and pulled his team off the

00:16:23.720 lead when you hear that again you know any claim that that we see has to be corroborated investigated

00:16:30.160 reviewed but you know what's your reaction to a former fbi agent saying when they had more questions

00:16:36.240 when there were leads that there was an impairment to that factual development it's all fishy i mean i'm

00:16:42.560 sure they had several leads um why they decided not to pursue that one i don't know but let's let's talk

00:16:50.520 about why they don't have this person in custody right now and why they're not sure i asked antoono

00:16:56.560 in this transcribed interview what about the cell phone data because all right dantoono and this is the

00:17:04.940 narrative that the fbi has put out there is that the night before somebody walking around past the dnc

00:17:12.400 and and the capitol hill club slash rnc alleyway they say that person planted those bombs the night

00:17:18.680 before walking around now we don't actually have video of that person placing the pipe bomb we have

00:17:25.300 video of that person walking around the neighborhood with a backpack and sitting on the bench where it was

00:17:29.780 found and reaching down but the camera angles which we believe they should have at the dnc that would

00:17:36.640 show the placement of that pipe bob have never been released but we know that camera angle exists

00:17:41.740 because they released a still frame of it but they haven't released that anyways the i'm going through

00:17:47.840 all that just to get to this point of what i asked antoono we saw that person on january 5th use

00:17:53.020 their cell phone a couple times did you use did you geo fence that area and and use that to find the

00:18:00.880 person and dantwano i want to i probably should read this right so i don't get it wrong because we've got

00:18:06.420 this right here um oh heck i just i'll just tell you he's he said that the um let me see if i can find it

00:18:15.960 it's in there somewhere i'll just tell you what he said and then people can look it up later you put

00:18:22.620 it on your site he said that he didn't want to start any conspiracy theories he used the word

00:18:28.600 conspiracy theory but that the cell phone data for one of the providers was corrupted that night in

00:18:34.440 that location oh what a coinkydink and not all cell phone data but cell phone data for one provider

00:18:42.560 and they suspect that and by the way cell phone data was used in prosecutions of january 6 defendants

00:18:49.220 quite frequently yes so in in the geo fenced area there's a whole lot of cell phone data

00:18:56.160 applicability but then it turns out just in the instance of this suspected pipe bomb planter the cell

00:19:04.360 phone data is corrupted but yep we don't want to start any conspiracy theories no he didn't want to

00:19:08.880 either yeah so so you you have been the leading investigator on this what is your next what are

00:19:15.180 you going to about today you've been you broke major news here that this person was capital police

00:19:20.680 lay it on us okay um the secret service you know now this may already be in public knowledge and you

00:19:28.340 may have already covered this but i confirmed it today that after five preservation requests the secret

00:19:37.800 service deleted all their cell phone texts for that day and destroyed the phones

00:19:44.140 yeah we had seen those reports and the january 6 committee tried to tried to act as though

00:19:52.440 that was some effort to cover up reactions to trump's behavior right it's been covered in that context

00:19:59.600 right whether the you know the secret service were wrestling or something or say somewhat of a

00:20:06.420 fantastical story right a crazy story you know it's all been in that context but regardless of that

00:20:13.380 context in this context it means we don't we don't know what they were saying to each other when they

00:20:18.800 had kamala harris by the way it took nine minutes to get kamala harris alerted and out of the building 1.00

00:20:27.200 after they knew the bomb was there like matt yeah there's there's no way that if they believed there

00:20:34.760 was actually an explosive device they would have left the the incoming vice president united states in a

00:20:40.460 building what if what if you hired somebody to to be responsible for your health and well-being

00:20:46.140 and those people found out there was a pipe bomb between you and them and but they wanted to finish

00:20:53.400 their lunch before they got out of the car and then they let some school kids walk by this pipe

00:20:59.400 bomb and then they thought to get you out of there uh you know five minutes after that like

00:21:05.540 okay there's a bomb and i'm supposed to keep the incoming vice president from from being you know hurt

00:21:11.800 but this is a really good mcdouble and uh you know they just nailed it on this mcdouble and i just can't let this

00:21:19.400 one you know sit and go cold that seems to be what what happened there what who is the witness that

00:21:26.840 you would want to interview next have before our committee next um what is the next kind of round

00:21:32.320 of document demands or video demands that you think advance this investigation well i don't want to

00:21:39.440 it's an ongoing matt i've had an ongoing investigation congressional investigation

00:21:44.700 but no seriously there are there are some obvious leads to to follow up here uh we need to ask

00:21:52.720 for instance the cell phone providers now the fbi won't give us their communication with the cell phone

00:21:58.460 providers but if your cell phone provider and you're watching matt gates's uh podcast here consider this

00:22:05.120 as a preservation uh notification that um we need to ask those cell phone providers for their

00:22:11.400 communication with the fbi like the fbi is telling us the dog ate their homework i want to go talk to

00:22:17.400 the dog that ate the homework did you eat this homework at what point did you tell the fbi their

00:22:22.740 home that you had eaten their homework you know i.e corrupt the cell phone data was corrupted like that is

00:22:28.940 anything anywhere what the fbi is doing or anybody else touches something that's outside of the fbi we need

00:22:36.560 to go cooperate that so this cell phone data that's that's something an artifact that we can go

00:22:42.320 corroborate uh talking to the capitol police like i did today that is something that we can corroborate

00:22:49.080 uh i haven't actually talked to backpack person yet i want to talk to that person uh i'm not i do believe

00:22:58.420 that that person was a a capitol hill police officer based on what these other capitol hill police told me

00:23:04.160 today isn't that the next key witness the next key now that we know that it was a plainclothes capitol

00:23:10.140 police officer who found the pipe bomb we have to get a transcribed interview of that individual right

00:23:15.060 wouldn't i mean we have to i i think that person well those those people gave statements

00:23:21.860 to the fbi we need to look at those statements there are a lot of places you can go with this some

00:23:28.100 some things um will you know some suspicions will be shut down and others will may be heightened

00:23:35.920 and we just like you say go where the facts lead you amen all right i want to get your take on just

00:23:40.960 a couple other things that are in the news right now uh senator wyden released documents confirming

00:23:45.440 that the nsa is buying americans internet browsing records he's called on the intelligence community to

00:23:50.880 stop buying data that is obtained around the fourth amendment you and i have worked on the fourth

00:23:56.660 amendment is not for sale acts to try to stop the government from doing an end run around people's

00:24:01.820 rights to buy commercially available data um i consider this a really strong piece of evidence

00:24:07.000 in support of those legislative efforts wanted wanted you have the chance to react to it well i mean

00:24:11.900 give them credit they're taking the easiest route to invade our privacy just go buy it um you know

00:24:18.240 it's i mean it's disappointing uh we we've got legend when people you know i see you're getting

00:24:27.080 chat scrolling by here on your screen uh the one thing i hear most frequently is what are you going

00:24:32.940 to do about it yeah what are you going to do about it quit tweeting about it you know quit going on matt's

00:24:37.660 podcast stop talking about it do something we've got the bill to stop this the the fourth amendment is

00:24:44.480 not for sale act um i think is warren davidson that that's right the sponsor of that and we're

00:24:49.400 co-sponsors of it great congressman yeah from ohio so um we just needed that was part of our fisa

00:24:56.120 reform package that got thrown in the trash when fisa was expiring in december that should have been

00:25:02.320 put on the floor um but it was not and so you know fisa didn't get fully reauthorized they punted it

00:25:10.320 for a while they kicked the can down the road but this needs that that legislation needs to be in

00:25:15.200 place to stop and some of our colleagues on the intelligence community are actually wanting to

00:25:19.460 expand surveillance authorities they want enhanced authorities to be able to soak up information that

00:25:24.400 they collect on public wi-fi and i think when you see the abuses that are existing in the end run

00:25:29.680 around the fourth amendment it should give us grave cause for concern this week they're hammering out

00:25:34.260 the details on this tax extender bill i've got grave concerns about that bill i would not vote for it

00:25:39.980 as i see it now what's the thomas massey take on the thomas massey take is when you give people tax

00:25:46.100 money back that they didn't pay in that's called welfare like this is a welfare expansion what they

00:25:52.560 think they call them refundable tax credits it's just a giveaway it's a it's welfare so they are

00:25:59.000 putting wealth i mean when you give people tax money back that they didn't pay in those are cash

00:26:05.720 payments okay why would we put cash payments how does that fix anything that's wrong in this country

00:26:12.480 to give people cash payments for having kids i can't imagine it's going to advance our economic

00:26:19.680 interests and probably won't help us from a debt standpoint he's the smartest member of congress

00:26:23.520 he's been the most dogged on the january 6 pipe bomb investigation and many other investigations

00:26:28.340 thank you for joining me again on firebrand thomas thank you matt roll the credits

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - January 30, 2024

Episode 145 LIVE： Who Is The J6 Pipe Bomber？ (feat. Rep. Thomas Massie) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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