Episode 148 LIVE: Send Them Back! (feat. Rep. Andy Ogles) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz
Summary
In this episode, Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN) joins me to talk about the border crisis, the impeachment of Donald Trump, and the need for a border bill. Andy is a fiscal hawk who has been a long time member of the conservative wing of the House of Representatives and has been involved in many of the major fights to change Washington.
Transcript
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matt gates the biggest firebrand inside of the house of representatives you're not taking matt
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gates off the board okay because matt gates is an american patriot and matt gates is an american
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hero we will not continue to allow the uniparty to run this town without a fight i want to thank
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you matt gates for holding the line matt gates is a courageous man if we had hundreds of matt gates
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in dc the country turns around it's that simple he's so tough he's so strong he's smart and he
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loves this country matt gates it is the honor of my life to fight alongside each and every one of you
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we will save america it's choose your fighter time send in the firebrands
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what is being done to uh get the public uh to really uh rise up in various states to say to
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their senators that they want to see the borders uh the border issue resolved i mean you're getting
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migrants beating up policemen in the streets in new york you're seeing an influx of migrants all
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over the country that frankly have people outraged and couldn't there be some kind of public pressure
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put in the next couple of days in some of these senator states saying why are you allowing this to
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continue because at the end of the day senators have to deal with their voters and at the same time
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in the bill you give uh uh money to gaza to the civilians in gaza and israel but the border i mean
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we're looking every day at the invasion of migrants and they're playing a time game with politics on this
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couldn't that pressure put the bear in their home states
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al sharpton calling the invasion what it is asking for people to rise up and let their senators know
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that they've got to uh have changes on border policy i could not believe that was al sharpton
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uh but now we've got my orcas impeachment vote in just moments we've got this uh government funding
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coming a due due in march and the senate border deal has been blown up because of great house
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conservatives like my guest for this episode andy ogles of tennessee congressman ogles is in his
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first term but he has been in a lot of the major fights to change washington a fiscal hawk kind of
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came up really as an activist as a frontline activist in the conservative movement and now
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represents some of the great areas kind of outside around the nashville areas and due south all right
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well it is uh lovely to have you here so first let's just talk about where we are on the mayorkas
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impeachment it's being debated right now and uh we've been hearing the discussions in conference
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some folks saying oh well this is just maladministration it's not actually an impeachable offense
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we've heard others lay out the human trafficking uh the smuggling the uh obstruction uh the mistrust
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uh abuse of the public trust so how would you characterize how that's going on within the
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republican conference well i mean you heard al sharpton i mean calling it an invasion i don't know
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that i've ever heard sharpton say anything that i agreed with uh and so the fact that you have
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al sharpton saying that we're being invaded is that's i rest my case right and then so you look
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at the southern border so let's say matt you and i we take one of your uh your amazing listeners and
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the three of us would go down the southern border and the three of us aid 12 people to come into this
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country illegally you know what happens next all three of our asses go to jail that's right but my
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orcas aids and abeds eight million people coming into this country and nothing's happened it's not
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only criminal uh or impeachable it's criminal and i would argue it's treasonous we have terror cells
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operating in this country we have iranian assassins with a hit list that was testified to before congress
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operating in this country and what is this administration doing about it nothing biden keeps
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getting lost in the rose garden i mean it's not by accident that that is if if my orcas were just an
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incompetent dude and the border were open like that would justify the holman rule taking his salary to zero
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constraining his authorities but this is a highly competent individual who is executing a tragic and
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illegal plan against the united states now the senate had their approach to to the border legislation
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and like what was so funny is there were a lot of discussions with house leadership and more senior
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members saying oh well we're going to get jammed by this senate bill this senate bill is going to be
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just so overwhelmingly popular that we'll be forced to take things we don't want on maybe
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ukraine or deficit spending but we'll just have to take these border provisions and when the public
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found out it doesn't end catch and release it doesn't end the unrestricted abuse of parole from
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the biden administration it has this 5 000 person a day trigger which by the way joe biden can wave
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at any point for 45 days it gives him all this additional emergency authority 1.4 billion in grants to the
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open border ngos so you'll be funding the invasion too while it's happening uh according to those
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numbers and you know typically the senate rolls us man i mean i know you're you're in your freshman
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term but i've been here so many years where mitch will stitch together one of these omnibus bills and
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we're just forced to take it and in no time we blew this thing out of the water what what do you think
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contributed to that reversal of fortune well i mean the name of your show firebrands right you know
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conservatives we stood up and said no hell no we called it what it was it was total garbage and
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then the american people i mean when you've got al sharpton talking about an invasion when you've got
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the mayor of chicago or the mayor of new york saying please close the border i mean i don't understand
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what the senate was thinking i mean they totally misread the tea leaves on this one not to mention the
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60 billion dollars for ukraine i mean that's that's more money than we gave our marine corps last year i mean
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this this is absurd you know the marine corps budget's like 53.8 billion and we're going to
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give ukraine another 60 so we're funding their military but not our own i mean this is this is
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absurd and so to all of you listening this is why you matter this is why your voice matters and it's
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important for you to engage and then and i thank you for that so we're moments away from the mayorkas
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impeachment vote i don't know how that vote's going to go i'm not going to make any prediction what i can
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tell you is there has been debate within the republican conference and absent unanimity you
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always can count on the democrats to line up behind their guy now maybe there are a few democrats in
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some swing seats who want to vote to impeach mayorkas uh we'll see if they if they they have
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to uh turn up their head but here's what i know however the vote goes this needed to happen it should
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have happened long ago and if people don't think that mayorkas has committed impeachable offenses
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on the border then that's between them and their district and i'll let them explain that and deal
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with that whether they're republican or democrats but you have uh a specific proposal that you're
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going to announce on the program a kind of concept on how to think about the people who are here
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illegally lay it out for us well you know it's called the send them back act and i think you and
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i can agree that you know there's eight million people that have to be deported uh and so you have
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to pick a date so we we picked the beginning of the biden administration so that goes back to january 20th
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21 and i would also argue that you you've got to go back further in time and begin processing people
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out of this country but you've got to start somewhere you've got to you know how do you
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eat an elephant one bite at a time so this is an approach where we're going to start deporting
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people so it's a fast track approach that if you came into this country illegally under the biden
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administration you would be uh quite frankly eligible if you will for expedited removal so this
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would be the biggest deportation in american history ever contemplated that's right i mean
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this is the legislative exoskeleton for what president trump is talking about and how to
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remediate what has occurred because that's kind of the difference between where we are now in 2016
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right in 2016 it was you know build the wall then then you got to figure out how to get the criminals
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out now it's like no no there are millions of people here even people who like have committed the
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crime of unlawful entry but haven't re-offended those people have to go according to this yeah i
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mean look i think we can both agree that our immigration process is broken it needs to be fixed
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but that's a separate conversation that's a separate problem that has its own solution we have people
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coming into this country illegally we are a country of laws they have to be enforced and the moment that we
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give up on the rule of law then we are lost as a republic we've got to enforce this and it's going
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to be painful it's going to be ugly but there is you talk about mayorkas being an intelligent
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individual i personally believe that he is trying to flood texas new mexico and arizona with this new
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class of voter that the democrats can get hooked on cell phones and food stamps and welfare whatever else
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so that those three states are forever blue this is a methodical this is about stealing our country
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and i'm not going to stand for it well and it's also reapportionment like people think well maybe
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i have a really good supervisor of elections or i've got a really good attorney general that would
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never let the illegal aliens vote at the end of the day if they're getting counted in the census
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which by the way they are then you start to see states like ohio losing congressional seats and
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those congressional seats can reappear in blue states where they've chosen to be sanctuaries and allow
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these people to come so that is a shift in political power that they are trying to achieve
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through illegal immigration that's right and and uh it brings us to kind of you know thinking about
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this upcoming uh budget fight that we have in march uh all the talk about the need for a border bill
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has resulted in house speaker johnson and many others concluding that actually joe biden could close
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the border anytime he wanted like all you have to do is reinstitute the trump policies and and don't
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abuse the parole authority and the asylum authority and this is like an eight-point plan to solve the
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problem like do you think we need the republican majority needs a bill in the house because i worry
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if we think we have to have an immigration bill then like we're willing to trade something that the
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america last crowd wants for it and at the end of the day what we actually just need is joe biden to
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secure the border well he i mean you and i both know your audience knows he has the power today you
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didn't have this problem under trump quite frankly we didn't have these numbers under obama so this
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isn't an issue of laws this isn't an issue of a wall this isn't an issue of offense this is a biden
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administration that is willfully letting our country be invaded it's treasonous i'm sick and tired of this
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administration they're screwing the american people and we've got to continue to fight and so yes
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he can close the border and we passed house bill two we had a border security bill we've done our job
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is roughly eight months ago right and so why do we need to pass something else why would we want
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to trade to get screwed by the senate so you think the position of the house should be hr2 that's our
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position that's right there's not there's not some retreat off of that that you think achieves it and
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and what i think reinforces that theory is what our colleague andy biggs often says is that even if
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hr2 were a law like that will be great when donald trump is president because then a republican
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president would have the tools to uh have expanded removal authority basically what you're proposing
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in the send them back act is this expedited removal authority give a republican administration the extra
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tools to do that but when you're dealing with the lawless biden administration like what's to stop
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them from just memoing over hr2 it's like we've got a new interpretation of like you know economic duress
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that that creates this whole new asylum structure well i mean it's kind of like you know talking about the
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tools that we're trying to equip trump to have the right tools to do the job that needs to be done
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uh so it's the new year you made a resolution you've got all this great workout equipment in
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your garage you've got all the two tools necessary to be fit and in shape but if you don't use those
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tools if all you're doing is sitting on the couch and eating doritos you're not going to make a change
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and that's a problem with this administration they've got the tools they need already on the
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books and they're not doing their job so what will people think of us if we don't force them to use
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them well we got to keep trying right and what do you think is the best leverage point because to me
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it's the government funding fight yeah absolutely like this supplemental the power of the purse mcconnell
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just went and executed his own supplemental he walked senator langford off the plank we've talked
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extensively about how bad that deal was but like when mitch mcconnell is is is putting the slug in the
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back of the head of the bill i mean that was just that that showed that we can win if we force these
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things to be evaluated separately insanely um but i don't think that we have we have to pin our hopes
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for a secure border on some supplemental we should say no we have a budgeting process we want to use
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whatever leverage we have is one half of one third of the government to get them to do what we we know
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and they know would actually achieve achieve the problem i'll give you the last word on a the send
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them back act or any other border matter well i mean again i just underscore you know this is why
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that your your governors you know it matters who leads right it matters who your governor is and so
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kudos to abbott for taking a stand for texas and keep in mind you know the supreme court ruling said
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the federal government can take down the wire but but abbott can keep putting it up and so we need the
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states to engage look let's face it the congress is a big ship it turns slowly uh our states are more
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nimble and they can help lead the fight but we need governors like abbott or lee or desantis or some of
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these other governors to say look enough is enough we're going to take charge we're going to stand with
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abbott we're going to send the national guard and meanwhile you and i and others can put forward
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good pieces of legislation like send them back to start that dialogue and that conversation that this
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is our country we get to pick who comes here and we get to choose who has to leave and it seems as
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though you've selected the order and it's kind of last in first out which not only i think is
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practically best it's what's most fair that's right uh great andy ogles the great state of tennessee
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an awesome firebrand thanks for joining me i want to give you guys a quick look into what went down
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in the house weaponization subcommittee earlier there was this discussion of the use of ai for
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censorship so all that you feared about the pressure that government was putting on big tech
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to censor now they're using ai to achieve it at scale take a listen
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so mr edgerson as i understand the national science foundation they take government money and then they dole it
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out in the form of grants to colleges and universities that then build censorship tools
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that big tech then relies on so that big tech has an arm's length away from the censorship that's
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shaping viewpoint is that essentially what you're reporting concludes essentially this track f program
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which was through the convergence accelerator program awarded the 750 000 grants to 12 initial projects
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and then six of these continued on to have an additional five million dollars in funding
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most of these are at universities some of them are private companies as well developing these tools
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but they are all yeah and we're gonna and mr eisen i guess my question to you if i if if you're done
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texting um would be like is that okay with you what nsf has done
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as a veteran of committee staff i should uh know better uh mr gates i have not had the opportunity
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to uh study the report okay okay well let me go through some of the grant requests then so the
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might i finish my sentence please mr gates i can just finish the sentence i know you were finishing
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your text earlier i'm going to finish the question so mr gates just for the record i was asking for
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the law that governs i'm going to be susceptible i'd ask my time to be restored mr eisen mr eisen
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the question is the mit grant that said that people in rural communities were particularly
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susceptible to misinformation do you have an opinion on that i do have an opinion mr gates as you know
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there are two texts that are holy to me because mr gates and i have talked before one is our torah
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our bible that i live by i'm an observant person that is a holy text to me and i have the deepest
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respect and i have traveled to those places i guess mr i guess the problem is can i can i please
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finish my answers the other text that is holy to me is the constitution in my quick review of this
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report those are my two holy texts and i share that with the chairman and others on this i know that
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uh in my quick review of the report it appeared to me that a great deal of the evidence
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related to legitimate sponsorship of scientific and technological research okay well let me stop you
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there mr eisen because here's the problem while you indicate that the torah and the constitution
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are your sacred texts if americans indicate online that the bible and the constitution are sacred to
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them the very grants that are being issued by the nsf would deem those people in a separate and
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diminished class where they would be oh it indeed it is precisely in the i have the materials here no
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sir i would request that the committee release the testimony of kate starboard the university of
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washington scientist the former that wasn't this grant that you're talking about a different grant
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mr eisen she mit explained she mit said that if you're rural if you're part of a military family
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if you view the bible and the constitution is sacred then you're going to be and you know why
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they said you're uniquely susceptible to misinformation because if you think the bible and the constitution
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are sacred you might not rely on the expert class right you might not rely on all the folks in dc and
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at all the think tanks and that's really what people have to rely on and so when when we're taking
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government money to go and try to to harm people who have a particular religious view or a particular
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view on constitution i i would think that in that type of a circumstance we aren't crying wolf when
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there's none at the door mr gates if we can talk about that material in context if we can have the
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full context of the committee's investigation the ranking member has said there are 29 depositions
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that this committee has taken this isn't about any of those this is about the when mit wanted the grant
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that miss richardson was just talking about right they went and made a presentation to nsf and they said
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here's why you want to pick mit in order to do it and it was to target military families people in
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rural communities people who believed in the bible and the constitution and then guess what with these
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ai tools if you stack that up maybe you're a person in a rural community who loves both the bible and the
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constitution well then you're really susceptible to misinformation because the expert class thinks
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better have you seen the movie have you seen the movie minority report tom cruise yes i have seen
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that doesn't this kind of feel like that that you're trying to do that that it's coming to life
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before our very eyes may i answer the government funding these predictive analytics to go after
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americans and here's what i think is actually true it's not that military families and rural americans
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and people who love the bible and constitution are dumber or uniquely susceptible to anything it's just
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they don't think like how the expert class and the national science foundation wants them to think
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and so they're trying to program what they see so they can control what they behave and that is the
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true weaponization this committee will stand against i yield back
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we are back live and uh i still got that problem sasha i'm gonna take this off came back so we're back
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live and uh the live chat very fired up on the exchange with norm eisen and uh you know it is
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something when these folks come before our committee and then they try to have this grand
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performance when you just want them to answer the question as to whether or not they believe
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in grants that are used for that type of targeting and then are they able to defend uh to defend that so
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we'll continue to follow up on the use of ai for this particular censorship goal and i think we need
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to legislate to stop it we also want to bring you of course the latest updates from our friends at
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quiver quantitative on stock trading in the united states congress uh this one was one that caught my
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interest senator tom carper here we go here's the tweet from from twitter quiver quantitative
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just spotted a couple new trades it'll be worth keeping an eye on senator thomas carper just disclosed
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purchases of stock in valero energy and equestrians midstream carper sits on the senate subcommittee
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on energy natural resources and infrastructure isn't it something that the trading in a lot of
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these cases not all but in a lot of these cases seems to align with some sort of committee assignment
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either it's illegal or just an amazing coincidence but the winning stock trade i think this trade
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netted her over a hundred thousand dollars nancy pelosi the unusual whale that she is but quiver
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quantitative gives us this nvidia has now risen 35 percent since nancy pelosi bought call options
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she has made hundreds of thousands of dollars in weeks and then quiver quantitative shows the
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screenshots as to when those uh those call options were placed and then when they were executed on
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hundreds of thousands in weeks for nancy pelosi very very impressive stock trader certainly that i
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mentioned i think we should pass the stock act eli crane new co-sponsor of the stock act we get more
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and more folks signing on so i'm excited about that we need to continue to get our pressure on lawmakers
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to sign on these bills to end congressional stock trading so uh this was a clip that i saw about
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financial markets that i wanted to share with everybody it comes from barry sternlick
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he's the ceo of starward capital and he's talking about the major marketplace the major asset class
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of office space and what it says about people returning to work and how folks who have retirement
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accounts who have 401ks could see an asset class collapse take a listen
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i've heard you talk about the balance sheet issue and we know there's close to a trillion dollars of
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office space coming due you've said a nice little recession is going to bring people back to the
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to these office happen today exactly ibm said you have to go back to work so but this this is a
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uniquely u.s problem you say well we would have a problem in in real estate in every sector of real
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estate not just office because of the 500 basis point increase in rates that was vertical the fact
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that one asset class never recovered people never went back to work in the united states in the office
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the office market has an existential crisis right now and and so you know there's it's a three
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trillion dollar asset class that's probably worth 1.8 trillion there's 1.2 trillion of losses spread
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somewhere and nobody knows exactly where it all is and a signature bank was sold and we bid on it
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um there are buildings in new york that were 100 million dollar the guy bought it for 200 the loan was
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100 we thought it was worth 30 million dollars there's a building for sale right now in san francisco
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was bought for 8.50 a foot the loan was 450 a foot they'll sell it for 250 a foot i mean that's 25
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cents on the dollar that would mean we lost three quarters of the of the total asset class now this
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asset class is not just owned by rich people it's owned by pension plans and other people small
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investors we're not just talking about towers we're talking about the buildings that surround
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towns and municipalities but what happens to those cities there is what happens there is a bright spot
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the office situation is a completely u.s phenomenon i just was in munich last week and rents in munich are
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15 the vacancy rate in munich is two percent for class a in in seoul korea it's one percent um in tokyo
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it's four percent everyone's back to work except for americans we've gone off the deep end we don't show
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up for work we don't apply for jobs and we don't feel like we have to go back to the office
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we are back live and debbie on x says that she basically lost her 401k under this administration
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and this particular asset class it's interesting because if you think about it futuristically you're
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going to have a ton of these office complexes and office spaces go into economic distress categories
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they're going to fall into various types of bankruptcy depending on whether or not they're
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spitting off any meaningful cash flow to be preserved and how they're organized but a lot
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of them are like singly owned llc's and then even the land underneath is a separate llc so you're going
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to have massive collapses in those and people are going to be able to go buy those distressed assets
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for pennies on the dollar and they already have this built-in density right because they're all zoned
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commercial and what's happening right now is that rural america like is resisting some of the urban
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sprawl you're getting some protection of urban spaces we're under the most massive or of some
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rural spaces what are some of the most massive challenges in terms of need for inventory and
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housing people are paying enormous sums for housing and then you have this distressed asset class with a
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ton of inventory so some smart developer is going to figure out how to go buy up these old office
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buildings where no one's coming back to work and they're going to turn them into these like you know
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food hall living space urban living areas and probably make a killing off of it but we'll be here trying
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to save america and america's economy while that's happening up today i introduced legislation to declare
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that donald trump did not participate in an insurrection i had a number of co-sponsors to
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that we had a big press conference i want to bring you a couple a couple of the big moments take a listen
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we are here today to authoritatively express that president trump did not commit an insurrection
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and we believe congress has a unique role in making that declaration it's not the job of the states and
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especially not the job of some bureaucrats in colorado to make this assessment and interfere with the
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rights of voters to cast their vote for the candidate of their choice the very experts who often get on
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television and talk about securing democracy seem to be the first to want to then remove a candidate
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from the ballot because they are afraid that he is too popular we have 63 co-sponsors to the resolution
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that miss stefanik and i will be filing today to express the sense of congress that president trump did not
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commit an insurrection i want to express my gratitude to senator vance for filing the companion legislation
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over in the senate and now it's time for members of the house and senate to show where they stand on
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this question we and the former president welcome and expect many more co-sponsors in the coming days
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i spoke with president trump he was thrilled at the amount of support from the house of representatives
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for this legislation expressing authoritatively that he did not participate in any sort of insurrection
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or rebellion we know that to be the case but i think that this is an opportunity for all lawmakers
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to sign on to this bill and to show where they stand 63 currently and we we expect that number to rise
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actually it probably already has risen risen since uh since we started the program because we had a
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number of calls coming in with members hearing from their constituents about how they wanted them
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on the gates resolution and we welcome everyone to that cause but i would say probably the best
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tongue lashing delivered to the media came from firebrand eli crane of arizona eli definitely did not
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have decaf this morning take a listen you know what i love about this watching where president
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trump is at in the polls i love it because it shows the american people don't trust you guys
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and they shouldn't because you guys are full of it and everybody knows it there's a few honest
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journalists in this town but they're very few and far between you know how i know it wasn't an
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insurrection because he hasn't been charged with insurrection and we can all see by the law fair
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how he's facing up over 700 years in jail right now how they've tried to destroy this man destroy
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his businesses that if they felt they had an inkling of a chance of convicting president trump
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of jaywalking or insurrection they would absolutely charge him you know how else i know it's not an
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insurrection because this is the first insurrection in the history of the world where the people
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that were a part of it were unarmed it's pretty hard to do if you walk around and see how many
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individuals are carrying firearms all right last thing i want to say about how i know it's not an
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insurrection is because i actually listened to the words of the president if you're trying to stoke an
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insurrection you don't tell the people listening hey i want you to go over there peacefully and
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patriotically all right this is not an insurrection what it is is a party that's scared to death of this
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man because he's america first and he's shown time and time again he's willing to bust up the swamp
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and he continues to beat you like a drum that's what this is really about and for all you journalists
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out there you know that are pretty cowardly some in this room right now you don't have the you don't
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have the balls to write the truth and even if you did your publishers wouldn't publish it because you're
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a part of a propaganda outlet probably one of the biggest in the history of the world
00:30:26.800
if you had any courage i want i want some you to ask some questions about that day january 6 that
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we keep talking about why is the pipe bomber not been caught yet huh why is the pipe bomber not been
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caught the one individual that could have committed multiple mass mass casualties has not been caught yet
00:30:47.240
go look at go go follow some of uh bd's reporting over at revolver news he's got some uh evidence for
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you guys what's going on up here with january 6 is there's a pretty big cover-up actually going on
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up here in capitol hill about some of the involvement of our government and uh it's quite unsavory and i
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want to acknowledge uh rep massey's work on this lately and others who have been trying to get to the
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bottom of it but here's some other here's some other questions for you journalists to ask
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why did it take so long for ray epps to be charged go go watch videos of ray epps on that day and how
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he was stoking the entire thing and how long it took him to be charged and yet there were so many
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people that were brought in brought into the dc jail and they're still there to this day so if you
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guys want to ask some questions those are some questions but the bottom line is we all know president
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trump didn't did not commit insurrection and he's probably going to be the president of the united
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states once again and so i'm happy to be a part of this resolution i'm happy to support the president
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and i'm happy to call out all you little cowardly liars in the press thank you
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congressman eli crane taking no prisoners there at our press conference as we released our intention
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to put our thumb on the scale as the united states congress to declare that donald trump
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