The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - Episode 15： The Hunter Biden Files – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

00:00:01.000 The embattled Congressman Matt Gaetz.

00:00:03.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress

00:00:06.000 who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington on behalf of his constituents.

00:00:10.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem for the Democratic Party.

00:00:13.000 He could cause a lot of hiccups in passing applause.

00:00:16.000 So we're going to keep running those stories to keep hurting him.

00:00:20.000 If you stand for the flag and kneel in prayer,

00:00:23.000 if you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground,

00:00:27.000 then welcome, my fellow patriots. You are in the right place.

00:00:31.000 This is the movement for you.

00:00:33.000 You ever watch this guy on television?

00:00:35.000 It's like a machine. Matt Gaetz.

00:00:38.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.

00:00:41.000 Many days I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.

00:00:46.000 They aren't really coming for me. They're coming for you.

00:00:50.000 I'm just in the way.

00:00:52.000 Steve Bannon's former producer on The War Room podcast was directly involved in the Hunter Biden laptop story

00:01:02.000 and what revelations we have gotten from it regarding the Biden crime family.

00:01:07.000 So you'll hear my interview with Vish Burra, who's now a member of our congressional staff,

00:01:12.000 and you'll get the inside story on the Hunter Biden laptop

00:01:16.000 and what some of the specific allegations of corruption mean to your life and the government that you get.

00:01:23.000 But first, many in Congress in the Republican conference are confused and frustrated and concerned

00:01:31.000 about the fact that Republicans helped Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi pass really the first step in their socialist agenda.

00:01:40.000 They call it the bipartisan infrastructure bill, but really it's a way to punish people for driving long distances

00:01:47.000 and to put a wet blanket over job creation and economic growth, the features of the Trump presidency that were the most popular.

00:01:56.000 We look at these last 10 months in the Biden administration and for all of the problems they've created,

00:02:02.000 this path of legislation makes things worse.

00:02:05.000 If you're worried about higher gas prices, this would make them higher.

00:02:09.000 If you're worried about inflation, this would make it worse.

00:02:12.000 If you're worried about economic conditions that disincentivize work,

00:02:17.000 this re-entrenches the policies that we have already seen fail for the last 10 months.

00:02:23.000 And we had them on the ropes.

00:02:26.000 A schism between Nancy Pelosi and the squad left Democrats unable to pass their legislation without Republican votes.

00:02:36.000 We could have rendered Joe Biden a lame duck president right now.

00:02:41.000 We could have stopped this dangerous presidency and regime dead in its tracks.

00:02:46.000 But instead, 13 Republicans crossed over and gave Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi the votes they needed.

00:02:55.000 Now, why did they do it?

00:02:57.000 You see a clear geographic trend.

00:03:00.000 A lot of people on the Acela corridor.

00:03:02.000 And you know what?

00:03:03.000 They traded their votes for pork barrel spending in their district.

00:03:07.000 And I get you want to support your district.

00:03:10.000 I love my district.

00:03:12.000 I've got the highest concentration of active duty military in the country.

00:03:16.000 And in the past, I've had to vote against the National Defense Authorization Act because it wasn't good for all of America.

00:03:25.000 And so to see members of Congress sell out their vote, trade it for some roads and bridges and tunnels, for some train stops, it's disgraceful.

00:03:36.000 We also see that many of them are retiring.

00:03:39.000 And Republican leadership came to us and said, how are we supposed to manage the impulses and expectations of members of Congress who aren't running for reelection?

00:03:48.000 They want to become lobbyists.

00:03:51.000 And we've created a culture in the Republican Party where, hey, if you sell out on your way out, who can blame you?

00:03:58.000 If those members become lobbyists, they shouldn't be welcome in the offices of Republican members of Congress.

00:04:05.000 We should remember what they did.

00:04:07.000 And I am shocked at the number of members of these 13 dissenters that are actually in Republican leadership.

00:04:16.000 They are Republican leads on either full committees or subcommittees in the Congress, which means that our overall leadership says that on certain issues, these folks speak for us.

00:04:27.000 Well, you know what? If you hope Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden pass their agenda, you don't speak for me on any issue.

00:04:35.000 That should be the position of our conference.

00:04:38.000 We should join together and demand that John Katko be removed as the lead on the Homeland Security Committee.

00:04:45.000 And any other members who are leads on subcommittees should lose those positions.

00:04:50.000 I believe that in the 117th Congress, there have been five critical votes for Republicans.

00:04:57.000 Impeachment, the witch hunt January 6th commission, removing Marjorie Taylor Greene from committees, the ban in contempt vote, and of course, this Biden spending plan.

00:05:10.000 And on every one of those critical votes, John Katko of New York, supposedly a Republican, has voted with the Democrats and he is the Republican lead on the Homeland Security Committee.

00:05:23.000 So just take a listen and see if this sounds like a Republican leader to you. 0.98

00:05:28.000 Of course, Trump is a knucklehead. And of course, I don't, I mean, I don't like him as a person. I don't like him, his rhetoric. I don't like his lack of discipline. 0.98

00:05:39.000 In the days following January 6th, the House majority drew up an article of impeachment against President Trump.

00:05:46.000 Congressman Katko crossed party lines and teamed up with the Democrats in charging Trump with the setting and insurrection.

00:05:53.000 So sometimes you've got to take a vote even if you know it might cost you your job. And this is absolutely one of them. And I'm very proud of it.

00:06:01.000 Clearly, if I knew if I knew back then what I what I saw yesterday, I clearly wouldn't have supported him and I can't support him going forward.

00:06:11.000 And I don't think the party is going to support him going forward.

00:06:13.000 Well, the January 6th commission bill that was bipartisan, I wrote along with Benny Thompson, a Democrat from Mississippi.

00:06:19.000 He's two heads of the Homeland Security Committee. And it was perfectly bipartisan, perfectly balanced.

00:06:24.000 One side couldn't subpoena without the other. That's the way it should be.

00:06:27.000 And what happened was people in our party politicized that and they stopped it and it was wrong to do so.

00:06:33.000 The president's role in this insurrection is undeniable, both on social media ahead of January 6th and in his speech that day.

00:06:40.000 He deliberately promoted baseless theories, creating a combustible environment of misinformation and division to allow the president of the United States to incite this attack without consequences is a direct threat to the future of this democracy.

00:06:54.000 There's not a single picture, not a single clip that anyone can produce showing I've even had a picture with the guy. I don't like them.

00:07:02.000 Now this work in the Congress, it certainly hasn't been popular in the state of New York.

00:07:07.000 Take a listen to this radio interview from John Katko's district.

00:07:11.000 Well, the comments on social media and from listeners are pretty critical of Katko over the weekend.

00:07:18.000 I want to bring in the former chairman of the Onondaga County Republican Party, Tom Dady.

00:07:23.000 Tom is now a statewide leader with the New York State Conservative Party.

00:07:27.000 Tom, your thoughts about Mr. Katko?

00:07:29.000 Well, I mean, look, we saw what happened last week in Virginia.

00:07:33.000 We saw what happened in New Jersey and it's like, hey, this bill seems like a really nice thing to vote for.

00:07:40.000 I mean, the Republicans that voted for this need to have their head examined, Dave. 1.00

00:07:44.000 You know, I've heard everything from John Katko is tone deaf to John Katko is a useful idiot. 1.00

00:07:52.000 John Katko is arrogant. 0.99

00:07:54.000 John Katko doesn't know what he's doing on this vote because if you take the 228 votes that passed and back out the 13 Republicans,

00:08:02.000 my math usually isn't too good, but at 215, you're still short of the 218 you need to pass legislation in Congress.

00:08:10.000 And John Katko is the ultimate D.C. insider who's lining himself up for a lucrative lobby job,

00:08:20.000 much like Jim Walsh did when he left and much like other members of Congress do, and that's what he's doing.

00:08:26.000 He doesn't care about the central New York taxpayers and the debt that we're accumulating or the fact that a $1.5 trillion spending bill only $110 billion goes to roads and bridges.

00:08:41.000 The rest goes to let's help the electric vehicle market with batteries.

00:08:49.000 Well, you know who makes 80% of the electric vehicle batteries?

00:08:53.000 China.

00:08:54.000 So this is nothing but a big socialist communist grab.

00:08:59.000 It's a waste of taxpayer money.

00:09:01.000 It's a complete boondoggle.

00:09:03.000 I dare say John Katko didn't even read the 3000 page bill because that would take probably 42 days to read in itself.

00:09:11.000 He certainly didn't read it in about 32 seconds before he ran out on the floor and was the first Republican to vote for this bill. 0.96

00:09:18.000 It's ridiculous. 0.93

00:09:20.000 The Republican conference and Republican leadership should be as smart as that Republican grassroots leader in the state of New York. 0.66

00:09:29.000 We should remove John Katko as the ranking member of the Homeland Security Committee.

00:09:34.000 He already sold us out by going and negotiating with Benny Thompson to create a system so that our members are hunted.

00:09:41.000 You can look at more coverage of that in our under fire episode.

00:09:45.000 But now on to the real story behind the Biden crime family and what Hunter Biden's laptop tells us about the government we're getting.

00:09:55.000 I hope you enjoy Hunter Biden, the black sheep of the Biden crime family.

00:10:01.000 But what does it mean for all of us?

00:10:03.000 Is our government for sale?

00:10:05.000 Is our government engaging in corruption under the guise of a family member out selling access and selling out America?

00:10:15.000 We learned that the Hunter Biden story would become central to our politics when the Hunter Biden laptop arose in really the most interesting of ways.

00:10:26.000 Now, I've got a member of my congressional staff who is actually central to the recovery of the assembly of the production of the delivery of the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:10:38.000 And I'm here with my colleague Vish Burra.

00:10:41.000 Now, Vish, paint the picture.

00:10:44.000 Let everybody know where were you?

00:10:47.000 What were you doing when you found out you were about to come into the possession of some of the most compelling evidence of the 2020 campaign cycle?

00:10:55.000 Well, thank you for having me on, Matt.

00:10:57.000 And where I was was in New York.

00:11:00.000 It was about 11 p.m. at night.

00:11:02.000 And I'm driving my former boss and mentor, Steve Bannon.

00:11:06.000 And we're driving around New York after I'd picked him up from Rudy's house.

00:11:10.000 And we were doing this back and forth thing with Rudy.

00:11:12.000 Now, a little after he got arrested last year, he tells me, pack up your stuff.

00:11:16.000 We're going to New York.

00:11:17.000 This is Steve Bannon.

00:11:18.000 Yes.

00:11:19.000 Steve Bannon gets indicted under this politically motivated, you know, so-called fraud investigation.

00:11:24.000 Where actually Bannon and Brian Kofage were out building portions of a wall in a strategic area on the U.S.-Mexico border.

00:11:33.000 So you're working for Bannon.

00:11:35.000 Yeah.

00:11:36.000 He's going back and forth.

00:11:37.000 Yeah.

00:11:38.000 You get the news.

00:11:39.000 Yeah.

00:11:40.000 And so I'm saying, Steve, what are we doing up here?

00:11:42.000 You know, I'm kind of kept in the dark about the mission.

00:11:44.000 He says, pack up.

00:11:45.000 We're going to New York.

00:11:46.000 We're going to know when we're coming back.

00:11:47.000 And finally, he says, listen, you can't tell anybody, but I think we got Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:11:52.000 And I'm like, really?

00:11:54.000 So I didn't I didn't have I didn't see it at first.

00:11:58.000 But a few days after that, there the Rudy and Bannon basically sat down and said, we need to be able to go through this thing faster and what's on it.

00:12:07.000 And so that's at this point.

00:12:08.000 Did you know how they had come in possession of it?

00:12:10.000 Or did you just know we've got the piece of evidence at this point?

00:12:13.000 I knew we got the piece of evidence.

00:12:15.000 I didn't I didn't ask questions at that point.

00:12:18.000 I just knew that whatever I'm asked to do here, I have to get it get it done.

00:12:22.000 And so at that point, they needed time to go through this thing and they needed to go through it faster because there's just so much content on it.

00:12:29.000 You're talking about one hundred twenty thousand emails.

00:12:32.000 You're talking about thousands of pictures.

00:12:34.000 Right.

00:12:35.000 And we have to be able to go through this.

00:12:37.000 This is around September, the Manhattan Project month, I called it. 0.89

00:12:41.000 And so, you know, where we're cooking up this, you know, this secret weapon.

00:12:45.000 And that's when we realized that that's when they I offered my services.

00:12:50.000 I said, hey, I used to be a tech guy.

00:12:52.000 You know, I can go through this thing and pull out stuff.

00:12:54.000 And that's when I was given access to the laptop.

00:12:58.000 And then I was I also asked, how did we come?

00:13:00.000 So what was the first category of data that you wanted to go through when you get a hold of this?

00:13:05.000 Was it the email?

00:13:06.000 Was it the digital files?

00:13:07.000 What was the first place you said, I'm opening this up and I'm diving in?

00:13:12.000 I wanted to go through the emails first and the text messages.

00:13:16.000 Right. So a lot of people, especially who have Macs, will sync their cell phones to their MacBook and all their text messages come to their to their Mac.

00:13:28.000 And so this is the case with Hunter as well.

00:13:31.000 And we had text messages messages between him and his his father, President Joe Biden and and Hallie Biden and, you know, his niece.

00:13:41.000 And if all sorts of interperson, that's really what kind of, you know, got got my interest going as the is the interpersonal family family relationships and those interactions.

00:13:52.000 And though that stuff was really revealing to me, because, you know, my my little project, many projects myself at that time is I just want to get into the mind of Hunter Biden and how he's seeing his world, you know, in the middle of this confluence of corruption and just this lifestyle of, you know, being on the road and kind of, you know, being a playboy or whatever.

00:14:13.200 Like, what is that actually like behind the scenes? Not what you see on TV.

00:14:18.440 You're not just getting in to Hunter Biden's mind here. You're getting in to Joe Biden's mind because you're starting to see some correspondence there. Right.

00:14:26.600 Absolutely. That's you know, it's that that that that 4D reflection on like, you know, this is from Hunter's mind.

00:14:33.960 You know, this is what's behind the scenes. But this is also Joe Biden behind the scenes responding to Hunter. Right.

00:14:39.060 And there was a particular email with Frank Luntz that seemed to inform on kind of the Biden political dynamic.

00:14:47.160 Oh, yeah. We'll get it up on the screen. But walk us through what we're seeing here with this email.

00:14:52.060 The Frank Luntz piece. The Frank Luntz thing I totally bumped into by accident.

00:14:56.080 I'm just scanning through the emails. I see Frank Luntz's name and I'm thinking, hey, isn't this like a GOP guy, a pollster?

00:15:01.520 And I got the email is basically Frank Luntz upset that Hunter Biden is not returning his calls or emails.

00:15:09.280 And he was lamenting, hey, why did I help out your father when you guys dropped that disastrous Jeep commercial?

00:15:16.280 And I went against my own client at the time, Paul Ryan, to to do that for you.

00:15:22.280 And you guys still won't look out for me. I love Bo, by the way.

00:15:25.700 So if you have Paul Ryan on your Hunter laptop bingo card, you can go ahead and mark that box now.

00:15:32.700 But what it shows us, I think, what this Luntz email shows us is that Hunter Biden isn't some ancillary node.

00:15:39.880 He's not out there in the ether doing his own thing, unconnected to the politics and the ambition of his father.

00:15:46.700 That he is both doing the politics and doing the corruption.

00:15:51.620 Was there an email, a text, a piece of evidence that really framed up kind of the seedy, swampy nature of Hunter Biden's business dealings where you could go back to Bannon and Rudy and say, hey, look, you know, this is something that really shows the grift.

00:16:07.620 Well, I mean, there's the the infamous big guy email, right, the 10 percent for the big guy.

00:16:13.040 I mean, you can't you can't cook up a more perfect situation.

00:16:16.400 They're talking about a deal with CEFC, the largest state owned energy corporation in the world.

00:16:25.320 And this I believe it was a Bohai Harvest or one of these companies that they come together and cook up.

00:16:32.460 Right. To be able to funnel funds through back and forth and make it seem legit, not like you're doing direct business with a a state owned company.

00:16:40.000 And they are laying out the terms and 10 percent for the big guy, you know, and this is we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:16:47.100 And so that that I think was the the international sort of big money, like, you know, international scale grift that you saw.

00:16:54.840 But I think locally what's really troubling is the is actually the email that I didn't end up finding.

00:17:00.860 But it exists on the laptop is the Louis free email.

00:17:04.880 I mean, you got former director of the FBI on, you know, doing business with you, making donations back and forth between family family foundations and and then working to get use FBI resources that currently exist in the department to do freelance work for, you know, Hunter Biden's clients.

00:17:26.880 Like, you know, that's that's that's that's crazy. You know, we talk often on the show and in the Congress about the corrupt unity of purpose that can often exist with corrupt businesses and corrupt government officials and melding the line.

00:17:41.680 You know, kind of the the neo libertarian philosophy that I developed in my politics in the 2010s was let's get, you know, government just out of the decision making process.

00:17:51.180 But the problem is big business has become so persuasive on government that we've now wrapped government around the apparatus of big business in a lot of ways.

00:18:01.120 And that is what this energy deal really represents with sort of the foreign flavor to it of of big China.

00:18:08.800 And, you know, we have also covered the extent to which the Biden administration is influenced by China.

00:18:14.040 But I mean, what what you're really laying out here in those energy deals, the 10 percent for the big guy is that there's a huge value in accessing this Chinese marketplace and being able to utilize the way that China has fused big government and big business.

00:18:31.460 But our laws don't permit that. And so there are these setups and cutouts and straw men that are established.

00:18:37.580 And if you can get that grift going, it creates a huge amount of cash and you essentially discover the blueprint for it.

00:18:45.240 Exactly. And, you know, it is the it's this sort of modern way of of doing business where you you're not out there conquering nations, you know, out and out.

00:18:54.500 Right. Because then you'd have to own those nations and take those proceeds and give it to your people to justify owning them. 0.95

00:19:00.420 Now you do this indirect, you know, shell company things where you're still kind of grifting.

00:19:05.760 You're only benefiting yourself and you're making these deals with foreign nations that still the the effects of that deal, the everyday American people are subject to it.

00:19:16.480 Right. And see, like the the focus on the Hunter Biden laptop has been on some of the weird stuff, the bizarre pictures, the potential crimes.

00:19:25.380 But for most Americans, the impact is really felt through the corrupt acts that implicate Joe Biden.

00:19:34.600 I mean, you got into the brains of these folks. What did you learn about them as as people?

00:19:39.160 Are they smart people? Are they crafty people or are these clumsy criminals and fools? 1.00

00:19:44.340 Well, let me just say this. Out of all these folks, the craftiest person is Joe Biden. 0.99

00:19:49.200 Right. Because he says in his texts, in his exchanges, hey, I think my phone's being hacked.

00:19:54.940 Watch what you put right down, Hunter, when you're sending stuff to me.

00:19:58.800 And he says it multiple times. And so he's he understands at the very least, there's a lot of things you don't put in writing.

00:20:05.020 Pick up the phone and call me or something like that. Right.

00:20:07.060 And that's where I see the craftiness outside of that also shows knowledge that this behavior is not something that Joe Biden wants to revisit through the lens of history.

00:20:18.620 Right. Exactly. Right. He knows that what you put in writing can come back to haunt you sometime later.

00:20:23.420 Right. And so but he understands that very sort of like primordial game of keeping secrets.

00:20:30.420 And so but Hunter, I mean, this guy spills out his whole life story in these text messages and in these emails.

00:20:37.480 And what's actually smart guy he is, I would I wouldn't say super smart, but he's definitely somebody who's like in tune with how he feels and he's not afraid to express that.

00:20:49.780 And he straight up says, like, I feel like, Dad, you've put me in this position where I'm like having to deal with you put a target on my back.

00:20:57.880 Right. He explicitly says that in these emails by doing what I do for you.

00:21:02.560 Right. So it implies it implies that he that it's like the embryonic elements of an Oedipus complex developing.

00:21:09.440 Exactly. You know, and so that that is what's really like scary to me.

00:21:13.080 Like, Joe Biden is the kingpin in a certain way.

00:21:17.260 Hunter feels like he is the one who put Joe Biden is the one who put Hunter in this position.

00:21:22.900 And in the emails, in the text messages, he says, you need to run for office.

00:21:29.380 So so me, Hunter, I have a shot at redemption.

00:21:33.380 Right. My reputation reputation has a shot at redemption if you run for president, you know.

00:21:39.840 And so that is now part of the decision calculus when Joe Biden's deciding to run for president,

00:21:45.640 as well as his son's reputation for the position Joe Biden put him in by being his bag man, you know.

00:21:53.060 So it is certainly reflective of a healthy dose of narcissism.

00:21:57.340 Yeah. As as you went through the the texts and the emails,

00:22:01.640 were there other figures in politics, in media, in legal circles that you were surprised to see in this nexus?

00:22:12.340 Well, the Frank Luntz thing that was that was just fun, you know, the Louis Free thing is scary.

00:22:20.060 One. But then there is there is this entity that keeps popping up that I definitely think needs way more looking into.

00:22:29.380 It's this entity called Eudora. And there's this gambling thing around it called Hwega Ocho Gaming that might implicate a close associate of Senator Dick Durbin,

00:22:41.480 as well as Harry Reid's son, Key Reid.

00:22:45.260 And because the way I see it is the China grift and all these foreign foreign policy grifts,

00:22:52.080 these are all just trying to create laundry machines abroad to be able to send taxpayer money for it to find it,

00:22:57.540 find its way back into your personal pockets.

00:23:00.400 And I believe that the Biden's engaged in this thing with other elites in our system,

00:23:06.680 you know, the elected elites to set up this like a gaming grift or laundry machine in South America.

00:23:14.480 I believe it's called Hwega Ocho Gaming.

00:23:17.720 And then they use this Eudora entity as well to to basically get that money from Ocho Rio into Eudora and then split it out to the folks.

00:23:26.840 You said something very important.

00:23:28.280 And it informs on precisely the legislative work that we see the Congress embarking on now,

00:23:33.260 that the way the elites try to use their power is to leverage the largesse of the U.S. dollar abroad and, frankly, even at home,

00:23:42.800 and then to see that wealth, that value transition right back to their businesses, to their pocketbooks,

00:23:49.500 and to hope that they're able to sort of keep the plates spinning long enough for the surf class, the plebs, the regular folks to just allow it to happen. 0.96

00:23:58.380 Yeah, it's like the, you know, three, the three card Monty kind of game that you'd see pop up on a street corner of New York,

00:24:04.960 except they're doing it with your tax money, you know, and the only loser at the end of the day is you.

00:24:09.980 Was there a piece of evidence on the laptop that either Rudy Giuliani or Steve Bannon found particularly compelling,

00:24:17.020 where they said, hey, this is the smoking gun, this is what we have to ripen?

00:24:21.520 Well, there was a piece of evidence on there that they felt so compelled that it was a criminal,

00:24:30.460 it was criminal to possess it, that Rudy hand-delivered this piece of evidence along with a few other pieces of evidence

00:24:40.060 to the Delaware Attorney General, and Steve and I followed Rudy as he's delivering it just to make sure he gets there,

00:24:50.200 you know, that's the kind of, you know, level we're on as we're trying to get this thing into the right hands,

00:24:56.040 as we're trying to do the right thing, basically expose this wrongdoing and corruption.

00:25:00.300 This piece of evidence, it's on the salacious side of things, but we delivered that to the Delaware Attorney General,

00:25:09.380 and I don't think anybody's ever heard of any news popping out of that since.

00:25:14.040 You had to know at some point that this was going to become the biggest political story in America.

00:25:20.440 What decisions were made or what was the perspective on sort of the New York Post as an initial outlet?

00:25:26.880 Were there other outlets that were skeptical at first?

00:25:29.800 How did you go from the investigative reporting that you were doing, Steve Bannon was doing as a part of your work for War Room,

00:25:37.580 to actually getting this into the political bloodstream of the country?

00:25:43.140 Yeah, so, you know, the Daily Mail was one of the first outlets to come out and verify.

00:25:50.880 And this is now, this is after the election, of course, but they had a forensic sort of like auditor,

00:25:58.760 the technical auditor go through the hard drive, and they published that they verified it and that it's real, right?

00:26:04.800 Or at the very least, it hasn't been manipulated by any outside hands.

00:26:07.520 This is what it says it is.

00:26:09.000 And I found that to be a mea culpa because it was the Daily Mail originally that we went to before the New York Post to try and get this story out.

00:26:18.320 The largest website in the world, right?

00:26:19.740 Exactly.

00:26:20.360 It's got, it drives the highest traffic.

00:26:22.860 So, Daily Mail was our initial attempt to get this story out.

00:26:28.480 We showed, you know, we made the pitch with a few things.

00:26:31.840 And as I'm watching the journalist that we showed it to, his face turned white, you know, but what, he ended up not publishing it.

00:26:42.800 And, you know, the story at that time I got from Steve is that he may have felt that he didn't want to be the guy to take out Joe Biden if Joe Biden lied.

00:26:52.440 There was pressure here.

00:26:53.100 And, you know, I want to get into that for a moment because there's a mundanity to the whole thing.

00:26:57.360 It's not, you know, somebody's getting a phone call from Biden and it's like, you can't publish this story or, you know, one of his goons, right?

00:27:04.500 No, it's a very human thing.

00:27:05.820 It's like, I got to go to work tomorrow, publish this story.

00:27:08.620 And all my friends are probably hate Trump, love Biden.

00:27:13.060 And if I got to go in there and I publish this story and Joe Biden loses, my entire industry might hate me, you know?

00:27:21.140 And so because they're all haters of Trump or a good chunk of them are.

00:27:25.320 And so that, you know, I think that was part of the calculus.

00:27:28.840 And another thing I want to state is, you know, there's a ton of salacious stuff on there.

00:27:34.700 We approached TMZ with that early on.

00:27:37.380 And you've seen the kind of stuff TMZ publishes, but they said no to this.

00:27:41.800 So you couldn't meet the editorial and journalistic standards of TMZ.

00:27:45.880 That must have been disappointing.

00:27:47.100 I mean, here you guys had captured this evidence.

00:27:50.020 You had done the reviews.

00:27:51.300 You had found information that you thought really illuminated the inner workings of this crime family in serious ways and also in sort of salacious ways as well.

00:28:04.280 And here you go to two entities.

00:28:07.240 And it sounds like they weren't having it.

00:28:09.660 No, they weren't having it, at least not at that time.

00:28:12.220 You know, they've been the deep.

00:28:14.040 What foreshadowing, because what you were about to face in terms of headwinds from big media and big tech has literally never been seen before in American democracy.

00:28:23.380 I couldn't have written a script, you know, in Hollywood that would have passed if I told you, you know, like, this is what we're going to do.

00:28:29.760 And this is going to be the overt brazen reaction from big tech media.

00:28:35.960 I mean, it was like it was all it was practically all coordinated.

00:28:39.680 I'm not going to say that everyone was on the phone with each other saying we're going to do this.

00:28:43.360 What you're saying is that there is an ethic around investigative reporting that is negative for Democrats that isn't explicit, but that is very potent.

00:28:54.480 You know, and that ethic is, you know, if it's bad about Republicans, get it out, source it later, sort it out later.

00:29:01.240 You know, get clicks that something's bad about Republicans, that's the way they're kind of thinking about.

00:29:06.160 But when it's about a Democrat, people start to think, OK, well, you know, do I want to have as a part of my forever journalistic identity taking out a Democrat, exposing a Democrat, potentially even causing a Democrat presidential candidate to lose?

00:29:20.480 And that's the unwritten rule. But the unwritten rule, it sounds like is the strongest, because despite the authenticity of this evidence, the relevance of this evidence of you face strong headwinds.

00:29:32.600 You finally get it out with The New York Post. Tell me about that moment when you finally know this thing you've been working on, this political Manhattan project is finally going to erupt in some way.

00:29:44.460 So I wake up. We finally got the conference and we pushed really, really hard to get the get it through the New York Post.

00:29:51.420 Finally, we got an approval to push it. And I will say that the decision did go all the way up to Murdoch on that one.

00:29:57.820 But we finally got it through. And what that morning I was running, I ran out of the hotel room that we were staying at.

00:30:06.100 We were working out of a hotel for months at that point because I want a hard copy of the of the New York Post story so that I could, like, frame it, you know.

00:30:14.600 And I wanted to get a few copies. And unfortunately, these days, you know, even the local delis in New York don't even have a hard copy of the New York Post anymore.

00:30:23.720 Kind of sad. But I once and then we had to go produce the war room at that time, too.

00:30:29.340 So I'm looking for any any buzz, you know, in the in the morning once the story dropped that morning.

00:30:36.200 No, no buzz in the news. Right. So we're really the war rooms kind of like the New York Post publishes publishes it.

00:30:42.620 And the war room is kind of the first on it to to to broadcast it in a in a video format.

00:30:48.580 And so what we're thinking is, oh, well, this didn't kind of have the effect that we were thinking.

00:30:54.000 But once it was all shared, made it to the ether on the Internet, right, on Twitter, on Facebook.

00:30:59.620 And the story starts getting shared around.

00:31:02.500 That was when it blew up because people started texting me saying, hey, this I can't even, like, send this to you via Facebook Messenger or DM this to you by Twitter.

00:31:14.060 This is weird. And then all then multiple reports started popping up.

00:31:18.780 And that's when people realize, like, wait a minute, like the tech companies are blocking the sharing of this story.

00:31:25.940 And then it eventually comes out that they locked the New York Post out of their own account.

00:31:32.020 And this is not, you know, this is not like Infowars or anything like this is the New York Post.

00:31:36.680 And they locked them out of their Twitter account for publishing this story.

00:31:40.800 I mean, I would I could I would have never believed that the big tech companies would overtly try to challenge the ability of a publisher to to, you know, a media company, a brother in arms.

00:31:55.480 I would even say, you know what I mean, in sort of the metaverse of things to distribute information to people that they would shut one out because there's a story here that they don't like.

00:32:07.940 You know, it really is the strongest evidence I have ever seen that big tech wants to be the arbiter of truth itself.

00:32:15.860 You know, that that while in the law, while when they come and testify before Congress, they say, we just want to be a platform.

00:32:22.620 We just want to be a place where people come and share information and interact with one another.

00:32:27.300 That that's not true. That when the chips are down, when you're in a high impact moment like the days and weeks before an election,

00:32:37.140 and when you have a highly relevant piece of information, they want to be the ones to make the judgments, not the American people.

00:32:45.040 Absolutely. Well, what I what the way I see it is that these tech companies essentially want to establish a monopsonic relationship between the rest of the world and reality itself,

00:32:57.940 where they are the ultimate middleman and everything has to go through that.

00:33:02.220 In the words of Dave Chappelle, Twitter is not a real place, but but it does really impact politics. Right.

00:33:08.640 And that's why it must have been very frustrating for you personally and for your colleagues, Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani to have done all this work,

00:33:16.220 to have gotten no less than the New York Post to verify and publish it and then still the most powerful forces in media and technology trying to limit the distribution of your work.

00:33:30.220 I mean, it couldn't have been all glee at that point for you.

00:33:33.120 I mean, there's a moment of upsetness there. But, you know, as at that time, I'm still in the mindset of a renegade media professional.

00:33:41.640 So, you know, our rule is, you know, you get censored. That's a badge of honor. Right.

00:33:45.940 You're and if you really think about it, the story didn't really pop until the censorship of it was what kind of happened.

00:33:55.100 And that's when the mentions of the story and all that really shot through the roof.

00:34:00.240 There is Twitter data and there's there's data behind this. But basically that once the story was censored,

00:34:05.880 that's when its exposure and distribution really went through the roof because the interest now the the distribution was sort of reversed.

00:34:13.120 Right. People are going to going out and looking for it and plucking it from any place that they find.

00:34:17.900 I don't think this is over. You know, the the evidence that we've discussed here that you have brought to the world really does show a sophisticated business system

00:34:30.260 that is probably used by a lot of American elites to drain the U.S. experience and to use it for their benefit.

00:34:39.600 Recently, my colleague Ken Buck in the Judiciary Committee exposed the modern incarnations of the Hunter Biden grift through the art sales.

00:34:49.100 Take a listen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

00:34:51.020 Mr. Attorney General, I'd like to direct your attention to the easel behind me.

00:34:54.800 The first painting is a Claude Monet. I'm sorry, I can't I can't read any of the words.

00:34:59.960 You don't need to. You just need to look at this great painting. Very beautiful.

00:35:03.040 It is beautiful. And it is listed at Christie's for seven hundred thousand dollars.

00:35:08.420 Now, Claude Monet was the founder of the Impressionist movement, something I didn't know until I researched it.

00:35:15.940 The second painting is a Degas.

00:35:18.920 It another world renowned artist. And this painting sold for five hundred thousand dollars.

00:35:24.320 The third painting, you may recognize this name, is a Hunter Biden.

00:35:29.840 I don't recognize the painting.

00:35:32.680 The Hunter Biden painting sold for five hundred thousand dollars also.

00:35:35.820 Now, you may think that such an exclusive, that when Hunter Biden is in such exclusive company, that he would have a background, you know, artistic training, for example.

00:35:46.740 But you would be wrong if you thought that.

00:35:49.120 And you might think that he had some sort of apprenticeship with a world renowned artist.

00:35:53.220 But you would be wrong again if you thought that.

00:35:55.420 Or perhaps that he has been selling his works for years.

00:35:58.140 And again, unfortunately, you would be wrong.

00:36:00.760 It turns out that in 2019, Hunter Biden couldn't find a gallery to list his art.

00:36:06.920 And what happened in 2020 that changed all that?

00:36:09.340 His dad became president of the United States.

00:36:12.120 Now, a single piece of art from Hunter Biden sells for more than the average American home.

00:36:19.020 This art arrangement is so suspicious that the Obama administration ethics czar, Walter Schaub, tweeted on July 10th of this year,

00:36:29.860 Hunter Biden should cancel this art sale because he knows the prices are based on his dad's job.

00:36:36.820 Shame on POTUS if he doesn't ask Hunter to stop.

00:36:41.220 By the way, Mr. Attorney General, this is the same Hunter Biden who's being investigated by your department and the IRS for tax fraud.

00:36:50.760 Selling fakes or selling or having a fake skill set is nothing new to Hunter Biden.

00:36:58.560 When his dad was vice president, Hunter Biden received $50,000 a month from a Ukrainian oligarch to sit on a board of an energy company.

00:37:07.260 What was Hunter Biden's background in energy?

00:37:09.800 Nada, nothing, zilch.

00:37:13.160 Soon after he received his dad, soon after he and his dad got off Air Force Two in China,

00:37:19.500 Hunter Biden became a private equity guru and assisted with a Chinese private equity firm linked to the Chinese Central Bank.

00:37:26.960 You might ask what his background was with Pacific Rim Investments or the Chinese Central Bank.

00:37:32.080 Nothing.

00:37:33.260 With his dubious track record inquiring minds, my question why any art gallery would want to sell Hunter Biden's art.

00:37:39.800 Well, this particular art gallery had its COVID relief loan more than doubled by the Biden administration.

00:37:47.120 In a survey of more than 100 art galleries in New York's 10th Congressional District, this particular art gallery received by far the largest SBA disaster loan.

00:37:57.740 And as an aside, Mr. Attorney General, the member who represents the 10th Congressional District is none other than Chairman Nadler.

00:38:05.400 Mr. Attorney General, Mr. Attorney General, who buys Hunter Biden's art?

00:38:10.960 Who benefits?

00:38:13.180 What benefits do they receive from the Biden administration?

00:38:17.220 The American people want to know.

00:38:19.720 I have sent a letter to the Department of Justice before your tenure asking them to appoint a special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden.

00:38:27.580 I have today sent a letter to you and I am asking you now, will you appoint a special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden?

00:38:36.980 I'm not for the same reason that I'm not able to respond to questions about investigations of the former president or of anyone else.

00:38:47.520 I'm not unable able to discuss any investigations pending or otherwise with respect to any citizen of the United States.

00:38:55.580 So, Vish, what's next? I mean, Ken Buck just described a circumstance where Hunter Biden is out there literally selling his art right alongside the masters and getting master level compensation for it.

00:39:09.020 Have we heard the last of Hunter Biden?

00:39:11.000 Absolutely not. So what I will say is that I am probably still the only person on this side of America that could competently make a copy of this thing.

00:39:21.100 And I've distributed over 40 copies to multiple outlets that have peaked.

00:39:26.480 Their interest has peaked after, you know, Joe Biden has won.

00:39:30.300 He's firmly in place. And now people are looking for a point ways to make their own bones now, now that, you know, they don't have to worry about being the pariah.

00:39:38.620 And so there the interest level has gone up in the Hunter Biden laptop since.

00:39:43.640 And I believe you will start seeing more mainstream outlets verifying this thing and coming out and saying that they're that, you know, this thing is real.

00:39:53.640 And these are things that have to be addressed. And I would think the Ocho Rios South American gambling story is still the untold story that some investigative reporters need to get on.

00:40:05.600 Yeah. And it could tie back to even current members of the legislative branch.

00:40:10.240 Yes. Eudora and Hwayga Ocho Gaming. That's the those are the two entities. 0.69

00:40:16.120 That's where I think that that the real meat of like the like if you really want to kind of get the rat's nest at once that I think those are the places you would have to look.

00:40:26.680 But I also believe that whatever it is, there's a ton of stuff on there.

00:40:32.760 I think that we should also be very careful because, you know, as being from New York, I kind of see like what's what what is happening with Biden could also could could sort of harken back to what happened with Cuomo,

00:40:47.460 where at the right time you kind of needed to get rid of the guy and that these stories would now be deployed to put get somebody else in place.

00:40:54.260 So they could be tools waiting in the wings if it's determined that Joe Biden is too much of a drag on the political left,

00:41:01.160 that they want to sort of freshen up the movement with Kamala Harris and whatever assembly of child actors she's hanging out with that day.

00:41:07.480 That you think that actually the we could be learning more about the Hunter laptop, the corruption that's on there going forward.

00:41:15.220 If the left in the media choose to politically take out the guy that they sort of just used as a as a masthead for the anti-Trump movement.

00:41:25.860 Correct. And I and you know, I said this when when Andrew Cuomo was was about to be looked out.

00:41:33.700 Very obviously was about to be removed. And Kathy Hockwell would take his place.

00:41:38.220 I said this then I would I would say it again if if that seems to be the obvious case with Joe Biden.

00:41:43.560 It only goes left from here. You know, a good place to end it.

00:41:47.960 My colleague, Vish Burra, thanks for what you've done as an investigative reporter.

00:41:51.600 Thanks for what you do now for the Congress.

00:41:53.800 And my expectation is that we have not heard the last of Hunter Biden.

00:41:58.040 We've not seen the last of the contents of this life. Thanks, Vish.

00:42:01.300 Thanks for having me.

00:42:03.700 Thanks for listening to Firebrand.

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - November 11, 2021

Episode 15： The Hunter Biden Files – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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