The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - Episode 150 LIVE： Ukraine Impeachment Trap (feat. Curt Mills) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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00:01:25.040 i have with me my good friend one of the smartest foreign policy thinkers here in washington he's the

00:01:30.260 editor-in-chief of the american conservative kurt mills kurt was one of the first folks i met

00:01:34.860 actually when i came to dc and i followed his scholarship and his journalism and i guess you

00:01:40.040 followed a little bit about what we've been doing on the hill and we've got a lot to talk about in the

00:01:44.380 american conservative today the big piece that is setting capitol hill on fire is the jd vance piece

00:01:50.800 on how the mcconnell strategy on ukraine is actually an impeachment trap for president trump

00:01:57.300 were he to be elected in the upcoming presidential contest but kurt we haven't talked in a while

00:02:02.180 i can't believe we're living in a time where uh on this records matter trump is facing down hearings and

00:02:10.900 criminal process we get a special counsel report from rob her and i know rob her i've had to work on 0.60

00:02:18.200 matters where rob her was working on the same matters and the beginning of this report is that

00:02:23.720 joe biden essentially committed the criminal offense that is laid out that trump's being charged with

00:02:29.500 that the he had the intent to commit that offense that he shared the information but that he won't be

00:02:35.040 charged for two principal reasons first that he cooperated fully with the investigation upon the

00:02:41.360 discovery of these classified documents and second that he's too senile to be held responsible so

00:02:47.100 what was your take when you saw this report yeah i mean my view is that uh the takeaway will be the

00:02:53.600 opposite in the american mind so you have the democrats who are willing to prosecute mr trump for

00:02:59.840 almost a hundred different felonies i think the last i checked um and they've only seen his political

00:03:05.560 appeal objectively explode at least if we believe polling um the opposite occurred with the case of mr her

00:03:12.160 which is they declined uh to indict um which i think uh in fairness honorably doesn't further

00:03:21.340 politicize uh politics or further criminalize politics um but mr herr opined uh negatively on the

00:03:30.280 one key vulnerability that mr biden has his age his mental fitness um i i think it's i think it's

00:03:37.140 going to go down in the history books as as intently clever that he were to utilize this

00:03:42.800 political vulnerability of biden i guess 86 percent of americans now believing joe biden's too too old

00:03:48.660 to be president uh using that as a feature of criminal process to unlink himself from a prosecution

00:03:55.360 uh is that applying the facts in the law or is that like a political operative utilizing his role

00:04:03.180 of special counsel to max uh to max political effect i mean i think if you actually score it here

00:04:09.000 i mean indicting the the standard bearer of the republican party for a number of felonies during a

00:04:14.380 presidential year i think is is greater political abuse i think it makes the republicans look like

00:04:19.440 straight shooters which is that they aren't going to indict you for a crime if you're in the political

00:04:23.560 arena uh but they're going to call it straight and i think that'll be important to a pretty wide

00:04:28.440 swath of the electorate as like these questions of democracy and chaos start to form there's actually

00:04:35.080 a good portion of that electorate who looks and says well who's been playing fair now i know her

00:04:41.060 i remember working with uh with her when we were trying to get jeff sessions kind of off the mark

00:04:47.580 uh and and getting us a little more transparency on where things were going on the hillary clinton 1.00

00:04:51.960 investigations and her was the guy working at justice standing right alongside rod rosenstein

00:04:58.380 blocking and tackling uh for jeff sessions when when i think hillary clinton got off without having

00:05:04.360 to face accountability because sessions got stockholm syndrome with the folks over at the

00:05:08.920 department of justice so that that was what her did here here's my theory of the case if her is like 0.99

00:05:14.500 a capo in the deep state right what if they just decided they're not riding with biden like if the

00:05:20.660 deep state is not republican versus democrat right but it's institutionalist versus outsider and trump's

00:05:26.420 going to represent an outsider view on foreign policy on the administrative state and if they

00:05:32.400 look at where biden is historically low poll numbers and think well we got to take this guy out

00:05:37.180 and there was no mechanism to do that really in the primaries of the caucuses with how centralized

00:05:42.340 his power is as the sitting president of the democratic party once you have to take him out like this

00:05:48.180 with some sort of damning report that results in biden pardoning himself pardoning hunter getting out

00:05:54.680 before the convention but not yet not until after any any sort of like democratic process could occur

00:05:59.840 in the primary or caucuses then lo and behold you have a convention and in ride who knows michelle

00:06:05.640 obama gavin newsom gretchen whitmer jb pritzker any you give any any prospect to that uh i i'm more

00:06:13.080 contrarian on this okay i know that people want to gravitate towards this i think look i'm not going to

00:06:19.020 tell you you you have uh combated the deep state in congress probably perhaps more than any member

00:06:24.840 um but in some ways i think what we just saw over the last week was evidence of a lack of a conspiracy

00:06:29.620 which is that the president of the united states actually does have some authority and actually

00:06:33.180 does make some decisions so like the decision to call a 7 45 p.m eastern time press conference

00:06:39.400 be 10 minutes late to it and then claim you're not senile while demonstrating that you have memory

00:06:44.120 lapses i think is evidence that he's actually in charge and he seems like he wants to fight it to

00:06:48.800 the end and i think there's there's it's just a lot even nobody's gonna tell senile grandpa that he

00:06:54.620 can't drive anymore like that's basically i mean i think he's gonna keep driving yeah yeah you know

00:06:59.520 when i was a state representative this was a huge amount of my casework is that people were trying to

00:07:03.720 get their parents who lived with them as driver's license revoked and somehow wanted me as a state

00:07:09.200 lawmaker like to go do that when they didn't want to have that uncomfortable discussion in the 0.94

00:07:13.600 family that grandpa shouldn't be driving anymore but do you say the fact that he grabbed the keys

00:07:17.840 and got behind the steering wheel even if he ran over a few mailboxes in that press conference

00:07:22.220 shows grandpa's still going to be behind the wheel for for the foreseeable future but i gotta sell

00:07:26.780 magazines and i and so the the easiest way for me to sell magazines is to say there's going to be an

00:07:32.300 imminent 25th amendment you know meeting where kamala harris coos him and she's going to be the 1.00

00:07:37.420 president or something like that i just think like it's they they don't have it and you could view

00:07:41.940 harris's unpopularity as an insurance policy for biden and then next up is johnson but she says

00:07:47.120 she's ready go to sasha go to that hill article harris says she's ready to serve amid questions of

00:07:53.080 biden's age so right on cue vice president harris says she's ready for the presidency in an interview

00:07:57.980 last week amid concerns about biden's age i'm ready to serve there's no question about that harris

00:08:03.580 told the wall street journal when asked about the challenge of convincing voters that she is up for the

00:08:07.760 job those who see her work are quote fully aware of her quote capacity to lead harris said in the

00:08:13.880 interview just days before the special counsel report stoked renewed questions about biden's age

00:08:19.160 and mental aptitude is she checking his pulse every time they're shaking hands uh maybe probably

00:08:24.840 probably uh how would you jump her in a convention like do you see any world in which i'm i'm i'm i'm

00:08:30.160 the big uh harris bull i i think it's going to be very very difficult like to use a stock market

00:08:34.660 phrase i i think it's it's it's very it's gonna be very hard to dislodge her if she wants it it's

00:08:40.040 the same thing with biden i think it's gonna be very hard to dislodge him if he wants it and and and

00:08:44.240 that may be the reason why we get biden because her her own uh persona is viewed as pretty frail 1.00

00:08:50.840 politically as well yeah and so that you know what having the having the wrong number two might

00:08:56.200 have been the right choice for biden i mean 2020 was the was the identity election right which is like

00:09:01.000 you know miss harris has to be on the vp ticket because she's the black female and i think that 1.00

00:09:07.060 made sort of a more political sense in 2020 and it's it's actually a vice grip in 2024 i think they

00:09:13.980 are very stuck with biden harris i mean if they actually do replace them so let's say they replace

00:09:18.640 them with gavin newsom or gretchen whitmer or any of these names that we're we're having so how do you

00:09:24.400 find another black woman to be vp this is like what they have to do and then secondly newsom is utterly 0.73

00:09:30.760 untested in terms of is he going to have turnout problems you know turning out the inner city vote

00:09:35.980 in milwaukee philadelphia atlanta phoenix like i understand this sounds like las vegas i understand

00:09:42.320 this sounds very good on paper uh but he might actually be weaker than biden like so much of the

00:09:47.520 key uh element of the democratic appeal right now is that you have a fairly far left administration

00:09:53.040 in my view and the idea is that biden is a guy from the 90s and is kind of senile so how radical

00:09:59.380 could it really be replace them with the actual governor of california or someone further left

00:10:05.020 of newsom all of a sudden that appeal is stripped down i know it sounds totally bizarre but i actually

00:10:10.360 think biden is probably the strongest nominee of them to have which is really saying something about

00:10:15.020 how poor their position is yeah i just don't know that they care about the ideology as much as

00:10:19.500 the fitness at this point because there's so many people who probably don't really spend a lot

00:10:23.880 of time thinking about their own ideology but they know what it's like when someone is still

00:10:28.740 insisting that they can do something that they no longer have the capability to do kurt mills is the

00:10:33.160 editor-in-chief of the american conservative and that is where we saw this amazing piece by jd vance

00:10:39.000 platform it's what i want to talk to you about next first of all before we get into the substance of

00:10:43.080 that piece readers at the american conservative what are they learning about this conflict in ukraine

00:10:48.800 oh i mean i think look tack uh was a lonely voice two years ago when the war started that raised

00:10:55.860 questions about unending support uh for the i think what is now laid bare a controversial government

00:11:03.140 uh in kiev or whether it makes sense for the u.s to spend blood and treasure uh and military hardware

00:11:10.180 and support on basically defending the fringe regions of a country very very far away uh we've

00:11:16.180 continued to bang the drum on that and i think the american public has come around to our perspective

00:11:21.640 um i think this is an elective war as far as america is concerned in europe um and it is the kind of

00:11:28.840 thing that we will never extricate ourselves from if we don't make a firm decision what are we trying

00:11:34.080 to win there because when these ukrainian officials come over and talk to u.s lawmakers they're talking

00:11:38.940 about getting back every inch of their territory including crimea i i i really do wonder what the

00:11:44.980 attainable objective is there or is the objective really to turn into another afghanistan obviously

00:11:50.740 very different dynamics but just in terms of having a place to be engaging in perpetual low-yield war

00:11:57.620 no i mean i think you have an objectively irrational government in kiev and i i i think there actually

00:12:02.420 are historical parallels here i would signal out the korean war so if if the u.s ever actually wanted

00:12:08.700 to negotiate with russia or lead in negotiations you would you would be in a position where the ukrainian

00:12:14.260 government might not actually be a party to the negotiations themselves the armistice which is

00:12:18.980 still in effect from 1953 with koreans the south koreans never formally signed on it onto it that's

00:12:24.420 how fanatical that government was i think it's very similar with zelinski if biden i've argued in the

00:12:30.660 press elsewhere he might make a ceasefire deal to just get this off his plate this year or if trump

00:12:36.420 when he wins in november uh tries to negotiate with them i think we're setting up to actually have a

00:12:41.500 situation where zelinski won't negotiate and will be able to save face internally while the u.s cuts

00:12:46.860 and runs mike lee put out a memo recently where he talked about how the cia had to directly confront

00:12:53.340 zelinski about zelinski's corruption now the big memo circulated by jd vance makes this argument mitch

00:13:00.540 mcconnell is currently crafting a national security uh omnibus bill that would lash together israel ukraine

00:13:07.660 taiwan refilling of american stockpiles and as i've said frequently however you feel about any of

00:13:13.260 those questions they definitely deserve their own dignity and their own vote and they should be

00:13:17.580 subject to itemized review and amendment so that i don't know you're not funding some other countries

00:13:22.780 r&d for the next 15 years based on a state of affairs that may be temporary it may be resolvable

00:13:29.820 maybe getting resolved we may be the factor that's causing some of these circumstances to not be

00:13:34.540 resolved and so i think that um as that's going on you've got to ask yourself what are the specifics

00:13:41.740 jd vance finds tied into the ukraine provisions a requirement to continue this ukraine assistance

00:13:49.740 program and vance argues that the requirement in law that mitch mcconnell is trying to get in law right

00:13:55.900 now is actually an impeachment trap because if trump does what he did previously and pauses any aid to

00:14:02.460 ukraine that would then function as a basis for some sort of impeachment effort so uh i thought it

00:14:09.020 was it was very uh well put together i think it's moving a lot of folks i wanted to hear from you

00:14:14.460 what are how are your readers reacting to jd vance's essay on on that memo yeah so i think senator vance's

00:14:19.900 argument is is actually likely to be the argument that's going to be most effective uh in the whole

00:14:25.980 history of this conflict so far so going back 24 months uh the argument about ammunition that was

00:14:31.580 made last year i think is all true uh the us has expended and has dangerously depleted ammunition as

00:14:37.180 a result of its support uh for the zelinski government um but that's kind of nebulous and

00:14:42.460 academic for a lot of people like it's not actually a problem until like china invades taiwan 0.99

00:14:46.540 or something you know very cute happens uh this is hyper uh acute and immediate which is uh trump's

00:14:54.060 essential pitch uh to the american public is that he was a private citizen who thought there was

00:14:58.780 problems with the government and that there were uh you know booby traps and landmines all over the

00:15:03.420 place and he didn't feel like he could govern and he feels like he can maybe do a better job the second

00:15:07.500 time this is the kind of thing that he has been uh demonizing and attacking in the press which is that

00:15:13.580 you would have a provision that would precede his tenure uh that would give congress legal pretext

00:15:20.540 to impeach him if he did not do uh what this legislation would say and so while i think you

00:15:28.380 know a lot of people on the republican side should come around to what i believe is our shared perspective

00:15:33.580 here the reality is that there still is a lot of residual support for some sort of fundraising or some

00:15:39.180 sort of financing of ukraine if that financing is then tied to uh essentially i think an illegitimate

00:15:47.100 pretext to remove trump i think that that shuts down the conversation so i think we're going to

00:15:51.100 see is vance and company in the senate stall this thing out it'll eventually come to the house where

00:15:57.020 people like you are going to have to kill it i read the vance argument also to be that like if there

00:16:02.220 is a financing structure for a certain period of time that functions as a ballast against any peace

00:16:08.060 negotiations for sure for sure i mean i mean that's essentially the argument with they want to

00:16:13.500 stop uh trump's negotiating style and so this is this is not a bill to like fund ukraine so much as to

00:16:21.900 to clear any peace process between now and well into trump's term no and look it's an escalation

00:16:27.820 so like you know in the vietnam period there was something that was introduced called the war powers

00:16:32.860 act which has actually never been i believe uh tested the supreme court it is a well documented

00:16:38.540 50-year phenomenon of the legislature abdicating its responsibility to the executive and so what

00:16:44.300 the executive has principally tried to do is start most of these endless wars which haven't worked since

00:16:49.020 the 90s uh this is actually an escalation in the other direction which is congress is potentially poised

00:16:56.300 to enact legislation that stops the president from stopping the wars is profound well i think we're

00:17:04.460 getting better at it and i'm actually getting the blame according to the washington examiner

00:17:08.540 the washington examiner out with a piece ukraine would have aid by now if democrats had not voted with

00:17:14.940 gates and the argument the washington examiner makes is that kevin mccarthy was going to fast

00:17:21.020 track any ukraine aid that that was a priority that he was going to muscle the republicans into 0.66

00:17:26.540 and that if democrats had not voted with me to replace mccarthy and if mike johnson who for whatever

00:17:33.500 flaws folks may see in him certainly has been more skeptical on ukraine aid than kevin mccarthy has that

00:17:39.180 but for that there would have been another endless authorization so i don't know if i deserve the credit

00:17:45.340 for it but i will take it if uh if they'll give me the credit for it um why do you think it is

00:17:51.420 that you have so many republicans that are just unquestioning because i wouldn't even view mike

00:17:55.980 johnson as like anti-ukraine aid i would look at him and say you know this is a guy who wanted to know

00:18:01.260 like is does crimea have to be part of the deal at the end and he asked some pretty basic questions

00:18:06.780 just about the tactics and about the strategy and the white house hasn't gotten back to him but

00:18:11.900 why do you think people are afraid to ask those questions in your in your long covering of this

00:18:16.220 well look first as a quick comment to what you just said sure um i i do think this episode and

00:18:21.260 this article particularly lays bare a lot of the criticisms of trumpism and also your actions last

00:18:27.420 year which is that they were essentially substance free nihilism there was nothing but personal vendetta

00:18:33.100 between you and mccarthy and there's nothing but a personal vendetta between trump and a whole litany

00:18:38.140 of characters this is a concrete example of if there was a different leadership in the house

00:18:43.180 we would not be having this discussion so i mean i i it's just unimaginable if trump's not

00:18:48.380 on the field and you had not taken the actions that we would even be having this debate so the

00:18:53.100 idea that this is all personal i think has been contradicted by events uh in terms of uh what the

00:18:59.500 ukraine position is look i mean they have taken a maximal position which is that uh any recognition of

00:19:05.340 reality which is that you know the russians have taken control of crimea for over a decade now um

00:19:10.860 and that essentially there isn't the moral political and military and financial support to die over

00:19:19.020 donetsk uh and the rest of the east um any recognition of that is somehow highly immoral or highly immoral

00:19:26.620 um and i think we're just sort of trapped in this sort of you know endless uh debate and it's actually

00:19:32.140 it is quite redolent of world war one where like it was very clear that the battle lines were frozen

00:19:38.460 and alsace and in the eastern part of france you know at the beginning of the war and they wasted

00:19:44.300 untold blood and treasure delaying the inevitable and eventually collapsed a lot of governments in

00:19:48.700 europe and i think you potentially literally could collapse the biden government it it it has such a risk

00:19:55.820 for like the the accident and the escalation that's what worries me so much is that you you could have

00:20:01.660 some sort of downstream power some sort of missed signal i mean my goodness evidence seems to suggest

00:20:07.740 that we lost americans because of some signaling malfunction on a drone coming in that otherwise

00:20:15.260 we would have had the ability to intercept but there was a there was a malfunction and how we would

00:20:20.460 normally approach that you get to a situation in uh rising tensions with nuclear powers i just worry

00:20:26.380 about that a lot more than i worry about some broke down russian tank in the donbas region look i mean

00:20:31.340 you saw the carlson interview with with mr yeah that's where i'm going i i gotta i gotta get your

00:20:35.500 take i know you and i are both like tucker files yeah what did you think of that yeah i mean look i

00:20:40.460 think you saw with putin uh uh somebody who was fundamentally rational um but also you know he's there

00:20:46.220 was a there's a gangster ruthlessness to him for sure um you know i think that mr putin uh isn't

00:20:52.700 going to be trigger happy to use a nuclear weapon however i mean we do know if you look at uh what the

00:20:58.780 kremlin has been commissioning who they're talking to there are people within the russian sphere who

00:21:03.820 make the moral and uh military case for a nuclear first strike that's pretty frightening um and if

00:21:10.940 the russians feel that they are endlessly isolated and you know up against a wall on this this is

00:21:17.180 something that they're going to consider and like look a 10 20 chance for a nuclear war is way too way

00:21:24.140 too high for my blood and critically the russians have signaled their willingness to negotiate the

00:21:29.500 russians love to negotiate they love to have these talks and like i just see very little downside to

00:21:34.700 getting them started the american conservative is really founded on foreign policy realism and has

00:21:39.500 been willing to be a contrarian voice in an era of neoconservatism uh one of your founders pat

00:21:45.500 buchanan i think effectively made that argument in the media on the campaign trail and certainly in his in

00:21:50.940 his journalism now with trump ascendant in republican politics coming in uh saying he's going to resolve

00:21:57.500 the ukraine war immediately that his presence alone is going to deter china uh i i know your readers must

00:22:04.460 be interested in how the trump government is going to take shape and form i don't know that we'll have

00:22:10.300 to go through the like boltonista phase and like the mike pompeo phase is there i have optimism that in a

00:22:17.820 second trump term you would have more foreign policy realists in positions to effectuate the trump

00:22:23.900 agenda is that optimism shared by your readers uh yeah and it's shared by me i mean look look the

00:22:28.780 reality is uh this is we have an imperial presidency for for good or ill the president can do a ton on

00:22:35.740 foreign policy and if trump were to win we don't actually know what the lay is going to be like i think

00:22:40.700 it probably means center gop control but the house you can attest to it more it's probably going to be

00:22:44.940 pretty close unless it's an absolute blowout for trump so the reality is his governing agenda might

00:22:50.140 actually be heavy on foreign policy where assuming this bill doesn't pass there are very very very

00:22:56.700 little of any checks on his authority and so he could totally reshape the map and i think his

00:23:02.380 unpredictability is one of the virtues you know with with biden and jake sullivan it just always feels like

00:23:08.220 every um everything is some georgetown school of foreign service essay exam and it it telegraphs

00:23:15.500 punches it shows adversaries where they can play up to it shows allies what they can get away with

00:23:19.980 and with trump that air of unpredictability kept the dictators on their best behaviors it kept our allies

00:23:25.500 on on their best behavior and he actually liked doing it that's why you know there there are other

00:23:30.860 areas of the government i'm sure at the department of labor the department of education that the agency

00:23:36.300 would take on the role of the secretary or the leader but in foreign policy i i think trump took

00:23:42.940 such a great interest in it and and in a way he kind of views the world as a real estate transaction

00:23:48.700 he doesn't understand why gaza is is poor because it is beautiful he doesn't understand you know why

00:23:54.380 why we can't uh seduce you know people like him uh in north korea to capitalism with opportunity and um

00:24:01.340 there's something to that that i think we've really been missing and i think there's there's even more

00:24:06.060 potential in the second term because you don't have to go through the phase of some of the people

00:24:10.460 who uh who stabbed him in the back and we've talked a lot about how if you trace the people

00:24:16.220 who stabbed trump in the back and those who didn't it almost has a perfect overlay as like the neocons

00:24:20.860 he trusted versus the non-neocons no i mean it's it's it's clearly a neoconservative thing i mean look

00:24:26.060 i mean if trump had had all of the behavior that he he exhibits had all the policy preferences had all

00:24:32.540 the characteristics which we know about him and he had had neocon foreign policy i do not think

00:24:38.060 he would have seen this massive rejiggering of the republican party i also don't think he would have

00:24:41.580 won and i think he was absolutely central to his appeal uh that he had argued that the foreign policy

00:24:48.220 of the post-war of of since since the 90s have been this abject failure and and i think that ukraine

00:24:54.140 shows that this is a durable change that he's led right because at the beginning of the ukraine

00:24:59.500 conflict i think it was massey gates and marjorie taylor green who were who were standing up against

00:25:05.180 these and continued provocations with russia and we've seen the congress come to us uh as a lagging

00:25:12.220 indicator of where the people in the republican party are and republican primary voting voters in

00:25:17.660 particular are anti-war they don't want to see us entangled and they oftentimes have lived out the

00:25:24.220 consequence of that entanglement and that actually gives me hope that trumpism is about more than

00:25:29.340 trump it's not just his own vision or his own um his own proclivity on foreign policy it's that

00:25:35.260 truly this is where our people are and we fix the divide that occurred previously uh before i let you

00:25:41.260 go kurt i got to talk to you about what's going on on the border sure this big axios piece out uh that uh

00:25:47.260 that details uh biden exploding with rage on air force one about the border susan rice called hhs secretary 0.97

00:25:56.060 an idiot the vice president tried to constrain her responsibility to the root causes of migration 1.00

00:26:02.860 mayorkas disagreeing with biden's hundred-day halt on deportations just a full autopsy on the biden 0.99

00:26:09.740 border decisions um what are the things that you guys are covering what are you finding people interested

00:26:14.460 in as uh as we just see the border surrendered no i mean the immigration is the biggest issue in the

00:26:19.420 election and um bigger than the economy bigger than crime it's number one i i think i think it is uh i

00:26:26.460 think i mean if the economy were actually to go into like a real recession uh that would potentially

00:26:32.540 change it you know like in the 2008 way but right now immigration is the most acute issue i mean we see

00:26:37.900 in all the polling um i think and i think there's just there is a great anxiety about you know what kind

00:26:43.820 of country this is becoming um whether or not we've had too much immigration too fast that's been

00:26:47.980 unassimilated over the last 30 to 50 years um and i think you see this all borne out um in the the

00:26:54.380 border crisis and i think there's a grander recognition of of democratic cynicism uh which is

00:26:59.420 that uh biden both attracted and allowed uh this to occur and it really is quite astonishing is it really

00:27:07.180 is it is legit dangerous it's not just like crank quack stuff to say an open border is dangerous i think

00:27:14.540 that was always castigated as as zealot fringe stuff um turns out it's shared by the median american

00:27:21.180 yeah i i sense it's going to be a voting issue because it is so visible visible and real uh you

00:27:27.660 know inflation also though something people are feeling in the pocketbook right now and there was

00:27:32.220 this theory of the case politically on capitol hill that we had to have the bill that we were demanding

00:27:36.780 right the bill was the most important thing and now i think there's a realization that

00:27:41.020 that biden has to own his own departures from the trump policies right i mean when he went and bragged

00:27:47.500 on day one about getting rid of all these trump policies he really owned the border the media is

00:27:52.780 trying to say now we own the border because we didn't like langford's amnesty bill i i just don't

00:27:58.300 see that working i think the people are going to assign the blame appropriately to joe biden

00:28:03.100 no no i mean i think people can can sense that this is this is a major a major shift and then i

00:28:09.340 think people also sense that the that the reality is that this is actually quite different i think

00:28:13.580 people are aware that this is not just mexican immigration the majority of it is not mexican

00:28:17.580 information so far as we understand i mean i don't really know how much we trust any of these

00:28:21.020 statistics and uh i think people understand that the world has gotten a lot more dangerous than it

00:28:25.580 was in the 90s and we don't have the full picture here because we're not even trying to get the full

00:28:29.580 picture yeah i mean that what really got me is when i met with the inspector general of the

00:28:34.700 department of homeland security and of the eight million people we've paroled into the country

00:28:39.740 six million of them we don't know who they are or where they are because they just put down a fake

00:28:45.340 name there were like thousands of people registered at a mcdonald's uh in one town and uh that has just

00:28:52.220 allowed people to fall between the cracks which is inhumane because oftentimes they're falling right back

00:28:57.180 into the hands of the card hells operating within our country and uh you know it's uh it's remarkable

00:29:03.900 the raw numbers the trips we've taken to the border like you say you just see the waves of humanity

00:29:09.180 coming over and over and people are feeling it in every community and uh you know it'll be interesting

00:29:14.940 to see how it plays out i mean i think something's very key from our magazine's approach is that

00:29:19.740 actually immigration and trade are parts of foreign policy and i mean you you've seen uh i think

00:29:26.140 you know so the neoconservative line the country changed the entire way it did business patriot act

00:29:31.660 nsa every time an american goes to the airport because of one attack that was horrendous and bad

00:29:39.020 and then versus an ongoing day-by-day thing that nobody really understands uh nothing no no changes

00:29:47.260 other than the ones that were started in the first trump term awesome well kurt mills please let folks

00:29:53.340 know how they can subscribe to the american conservative a great source of not only a great

00:29:58.220 foreign policy analysis but really a lot of the stuff going on on capitol hill and impacting the

00:30:02.380 american economy sure yeah uh www.theamericanconservative.com also amconmag.com my twitter is at kurt mills

00:30:10.060 c-u-r-t-m-i-l-l-s um great website check it out all right thanks so much for joining us and

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