Episode 153 LIVE： Nathan Wade Nuked In Court (feat. Rep. Bob Good) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz
Summary
Rep. Bob Good (R-VA) is the leader of the Freedom caucus in the House of Representatives, a conservative group dedicated to fighting for conservative principles and fighting for the 4th Amendment rights of millions of American citizens. In this episode, Congressman Good is joined by his guest, Rep. Matt Gellings (D-VA), to discuss the need for reform of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa), which allows the U.S. government to collect data on you without a warrant.
Transcript
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matt gates the biggest firebrand inside of the house of representatives you're not taking matt
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gates off the board okay because matt gates is an american patriot and matt gates is an american
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hero we will not continue to allow the uniparty to run this town without a fight i want to thank you
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matt gates for holding the line matt gates is a courageous man if we had hundreds of matt gates
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in d.c the country turns around it's that simple he's so tough he's so strong he's smart and he
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loves this country matt gates it is the honor of my life to fight alongside each and every one of you
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we will save america it's choose your fighter time send in the firebrands
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thank you for being here today for this important press conference addressing
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a critical issue that's facing the house we're privileged here in this country to live
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in a country where the constitution our founding document our highest law of the land places a limit
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on government particularly the federal government and protects our citizens our constitution tells
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the government what it can and cannot do our bill of rights those first 10 amendments were put in place
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to further protect the citizens of the united states to protect the rights that are given to us by god
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but thankfully enshrined to us in our constitution but every day in america someone will you'll often
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hear someone joke about the government spying on us but sadly that is true that's true in our country
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today current law allows the u.s government to collect data on you it's section 702 of the foreign
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intelligence surveillance act or fisa but house republicans under the leadership of speaker
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johnson are on the verge of reauthorizing visa this is the same law that the fbi used and abused mind
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you to spy on president trump's campaign providing the impetus for the shameless false ridiculous russian
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collusion scandal to prevent such a tragedy from happening to other americans conservatives have worked in
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good faith throughout the reauthorization process to protect americans fourth amendment rights from deep
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state agencies like the fbi and the nsa unfortunately the house intelligence committee and the dc swamp are
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working overtime to make sure that fisa is reauthorized in a secret way as secretly as possible
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and putting the constitutional rights of millions of americans instead of up front on the back burner
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during this debate today with my colleagues who are assembled here you're going to hear or not during
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this from my colleagues but during the larger debate you'll hear false narratives about this bill
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supposedly restricting law enforcement from doing their job and hampering our ability to keep the
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country safe and those claims frankly are false simply put anonymous bureaucrats have abused this tool
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that was intended for foreign surveillance or of threats to spy on american citizens but conservatives are
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fighting for strict reforms to this law fisa was reauthorized in 2018 since then the world has changed
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from both a national security standpoint and technologically advanced standpoint that has resulted in more
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of your data being in the hands of the tech companies we need to find that balance between keeping the nation safe
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while protecting you from big government and prominently has to be the rights of u.s citizens
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the free constitutional freedoms that are protected to us by this country
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the judiciary bill was overwhelmingly approved on a bipartisan basis it turns out democrats
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don't want to be spied on by their government either at the end of the day we've got to make sure
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that our government can't keep spying on its citizens without a warrant that we can't keep buying data
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that would otherwise require a warrant that the federal government cannot expand the spying to cover
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local private wi-fi hotspots and that we can't allow the government this congress to allow
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more ways for the federal government to spy on us that is congressman bob good of the commonwealth of
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virginia leading the conservatives in fighting for our constitutional principles and rights as
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folks in the deep state the intelligence community and the intelligence committee try to reauthorize one
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of the most abused programs that exists in the federal government congressman good is my guest today and
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we are live simulcast streaming out of the rumble studios in washington dc remember that the best way to
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consume firebrand you want to download the rumble app make sure you've got notifications turned on
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that time every way we go live you get the notice you get brought into the conversation so i'm joined now
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by congressman good bob you are the leader of the freedom caucus in the house of representatives a lot of
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people associate the freedom caucus as the the more conservative grouping of members but talk a little bit
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about the freedom caucus that you lead the organizing principles of the group and where you think the
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group impacts outcomes uh here in dc well one thing i often say matt thanks for having me great to be
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with you my friend i often will say there's only there's two reasons why members of republican
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conference aren't the freedom caucus either they're not really conservative or they just don't have
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the courage and i always have to correct myself and say matt gates is the glaring exception to that
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because matt is obviously a rock solid conservative who loves the country well we got a lot of
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sympathizers and admirers uh massey and some others you know and matt has the courage it's unmatched
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in congress but the freedom caucus exists to be the conservative anchor the conservative conscience
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the tip of the spear on the issues and the policy to try to hold the party accountable to be who we
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say we are to do what we say we will do to validate the trust that's placed in us when the american people
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give us the majority to do the things that we campaign on secondly the freedom caucus exists to hold
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leadership accountable and to be willing to confront our own team when we're wrong when we're off course
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when we're not living up to the standards that we claim to hold as republicans and sadly and
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unfortunately as you know because you're right there alongside us often you know leading the way
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uh we spend most of our time battling those who are supposed to be our own team members
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uh who are fighting us on the issue that that press conference was related we're fighting republicans
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on reforming fisa in a way that puts the constitutional freedoms of americans first yeah i'm gonna get to
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in a moment but broadly this freedom caucus brand has really really proliferated around the country
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we're starting to see freedom caucus groups set up in state legislatures talk a little bit about how
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the the goals that the freedom caucus has are served by this vertical integration strategy where
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you're getting people in state government aligned with these principles yeah really excited we've got
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11 or 12 state legislatures where we've started freedom caucus uh uh chapters if you will uh and
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we want to do in all 50 states plan to do in all 50 states obviously some states are tougher than
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others but you're looking again for courageous conservative warriors uh who will fight and take
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the risks and once you get that target on your back in the state legislatures some places is worse
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than it is in washington some of our uh chapters those members have been kicked out of the republican
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party stripped of their committee assignments stripped of their parking privileges there's already
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been retaliation against them so they're showing real courage but we did it for two reasons one we
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want to win on the state level too we want the republican party to be on the state level what we're
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trying to make the republican party be on the national level and then also uh we want to have sort of a
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farm team if you will that we could have those who are fighting the good fight on the state level
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that we could look to to support that hey if you're going to take all the risks on the state level
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it's no different uh then you'd be the kind of candidate we'd want to support try to bring to
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washington oh so it's not only the work they're doing now but it's really building that farm system
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for absolutely for leaders at what better indication of how they'll fight here than having them
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take the arrows take take the heat and fight for the right things with all the risks that come with
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that when i got here people told me don't join the freedom caucus because it will reduce the amount
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of special interest money that you can raise that lobbyists and PACs that sometimes give to both
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republicans and democrats they have no problem giving to republicans and democrats but they have
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a problem when donating to someone in the freedom caucus who who might stand up and fight on some of
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these things um is that something that still exists today i think there's absolute truth to that and you
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would know it because uh it's really about and again while you're not officially a member of the freedom
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caucus yet but uh the stances that you take and the courage that you show and the loyalty to the
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country to the constitution to doing what's right irrespective of party and what's in it for you
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politically that's the reason why it's tough to get special interest money k street support wall
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street support and so forth and that's true the freedom caucus as a unit and as a brand suffers in
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that same way and part of it also is it's tougher to get on those committees where the money tends to
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flow they call it a committees and they don't they don't measure and you know this better than i do but
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they don't measure what's an a committee or b committee based on how important it is for the
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country it's about how much money you tend to raise because you're on that committee so you know
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financial services energy and commerce ways and means appropriations those kind of things where the
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the high don't dollar donors want to influence what's happening you tend not to be able to get on
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those committees very easily if you're in the freedom caucus and it does seem like a fork in the road
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for a lot of people and how they behave here in washington because there's the group of people that say
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as long as i'm getting the money i'm willing to take bad votes i'm willing i'll have the money to
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explain away anything where maybe my constituents are critical and then there are people who say
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i can't do that i'll take the the more righteous path from a policy standpoint and i'll just live with less
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on kind of the campaign side and i think it i think it says a lot about people kind of which of those
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paths uh they take but i do want to get to this fisa press conference that you led um this is very hot
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it's upcoming in the next several weeks uh you assembled a group of republican conservatives
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who are in a lot of ways civil libertarians people who believe in the constitution um just define the
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battle space on faiza for my viewers who's fighting for what what do you think the key flashpoints are
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well as you as you know uh you had two competing bills judiciary uh has jurisdiction over this issue
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and you had a bill come out of judiciary which was a good bill you had a bill come out of the
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intelligence committee which is not a good bill and didn't sufficiently uh put the premium or the
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uh the priority on protecting americans constitutional liberties what they're putting the premium on is
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allowing the deep state to be able to do whatever they want to do in the name of keeping us safe and
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so it ought to be the judiciary committee that has has a priority here and it should be the judiciary
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bill there's two competing bills uh but instead unfortunately there was compromise made and the
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intelligence committee bill is the main text bill but then we're supposed to be having four good
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amendments from the judiciary committee to try to make that bill as good as it can be and we're in
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a battle right now in the conference because we were supposed to be voting on that bill today with
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those amendments but the bottom line is the intelligence committee led by the speaker i'm sorry
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the chairman mike turner essentially told the speaker hey we're not gonna vote we're gonna kill the
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rule and not allow the bill to come to the floor if you if you have votes on these amendments these good
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amendments that would require a warrant so even though the base bill is what the people who are
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pro-spying want there's the pro-spying bill and the anti-spying bill so the pro-spying bill is the
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is the basis but the group that you led in this press conference i was proud to be a participant
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we're saying at least give us good amendments on a warrant on not expanding to searching anywhere in
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public wi-fi to not allowing an end run around the fourth amendment by purchasing what websites you've
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gone to or what emails you've sent from a data broker those types of things and if those amendments
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were adopted i would think i could vote for the base bill that's right uh and and what they're
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saying is even if they're considered they won't allow us to proceed onto the bill and the reason is
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probably the democrats will vote with us on some of those won't they i think it's two things they're
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afraid they'll pass and they'll restrict the ability of the deep state to continue to spy on
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americans and expand that capacity which is what their bill does and then secondly they don't want it to
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pass but they also don't want to have to vote against it turns out when you want to do bad
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stuff in congress you don't want the american people to know what you're what you want to do
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or what you intend to do and i know you relate to this i often say if you don't want people to know
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how you vote then vote differently if you can't defend your vote then vote differently because we
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don't care i know we don't care if the american people know how we vote because we're doing what we
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believe is right we can defend it the american people are behind it but they they want to hide who
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they are and what they're trying to do and as they were even trying to as you know to go into secret
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session where they wouldn't have to operate out in the open for the american people to see it hasn't
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happened in many years has rarely happened in congress and it it speaks to sincerity because
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what i get a sense of is that people will forgive a disagreement on an issue if they think you
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sincerely hold that view and that's well reasoned and thoughtful and they'll they'll uh you know move
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to areas where they might agree with you to define how they think about you as a representative
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but when you're not taking the votes and you're just playing this game then i think people get
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really sensitive to like well where does my person even stand and are they telling me something different
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than what's going on um let's get to this punch bowl report what is going on in republican house
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leadership uh this report from jake sherman at punch bowl news notes a number of things that they say
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are calamitous the legislation on the salt tax deduction was not one we proceeded on to because
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the rule to allow that did not pass the fisa bill where we're describing some of these
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concerns was pulled because it hasn't been worked out uh the chairman of our homeland security committee
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mark green is not seeking re-election uh and we're not doing foreign aid without offsets and we're not
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doing the ukraine money and the big national security package so at punch bowl news they say this is the sign
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of a house of representatives in chaos but sometimes i actually measure our wins not based on what we
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advance but what we stop if there's bad tax policy bad foreign policy bad spending policy sometimes it's
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a good week to kill it so what's your assessment i mean do you view the events of these last couple
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weeks as calamitous for the republican leadership you know we get asked that question a lot oh this is
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the most unproductive congress ever we've done less harm to the american people than other congresses
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have done isn't that awful but less is more as you know now a year from now we hope lord willing to be
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here with president trump a majority in the senate an expanded majority in the house and then if we're
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not doing things for the american people shame on us but when reporters will ask me that hey you guys
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haven't passed much legislation you haven't got much to say okay what would you like me to get done
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or us to get done that chuck schumer and joe biden would agree to so your definition of getting
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things done is doing what democrats want to show we can govern no matter how poorly we govern
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to show we can get things done no matter how harmful to the american people so while we don't
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have a lot of victories with one house of one branch that we can have look what we accomplish
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in terms of putting points on the board if we slowed things down and we did less harm and we
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stopped the democrats from advancing the ball in the wrong direction we've done better than most
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congresses and too often the republicans are willing to advance democrat priorities just for the sake of
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motion if not progress they confuse motion and progress because sometimes you're moving in the
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wrong direction that's exactly right let's join hands with the democrats show we can get things
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done show we can govern show we can compromise and the american people lose and by the way we're not
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saying we're allergic to working with democrats matter of fact we're trying yeah the very things that
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that you were talking about i think were views that actually are held by some democrats who don't
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want to see just warrantless searches occurring at people so we're not against working with democrats
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we're against obfuscating liberal policy with the veneer of republican support uh which which
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happens too often so there is some breaking news from cnn manu raju reporting that there is a new
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skinny ukraine measure being negotiated uh brian fitzpatrick and don bacon to republicans who are
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definitely more on on the other side of the conference than we are and they believe that we
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could lash about 20 billion dollars in ukraine munitions to a remain in mexico policy on the border
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they think they can go middle out on that getting some democrats 20 billion for uh ukraine we get
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remain in mexico my initial sense of that having having not reviewed the legislation because it
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hasn't been put out is that that's probably a bad deal for our country that if we're going to be in
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some escalatory environment with russia just to be able to reinstitute a policy that joe biden could
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with the stroke of a pen is really concerning just i know you haven't seen the bill either because it
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doesn't yet exist but just the concept of taking remain in mexico in exchange for tens of billions
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more for ukraine how do you think the freedom caucus is going to absorb that well i'm sure this
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is the last 20 billion dollars that don bacon and the others are going to ask for their campaign
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donating defense contract i mean their uh ukraine friends uh i'm sure this is the last 20 billion
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dollars they'll ask for no i'm not for any supplemental it's not paid for okay so any any country any
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place in the world we have to find offsets to pay for it yes when you got 34 trillion national debt
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a 200 billion monthly deficit at some point that's got to matter the days of spending without
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consequence are over with 40 year high inflation 20 year high interest rates our credit being
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downgraded the american people suffering under the inflation and the interest rates those days are
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over of where it was just an abstract concept for the economist with the with the vice with the
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green visors on the banker's lamp uh so yeah it's got to start somewhere even israel's funding i think
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we both voted the same way on that love israel they're i think our number one most important ally on the
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world stage uh but we shouldn't be borrowing from the kids and the grandkids when we can cut climate
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funding we can cut the un we can cut the irs expansion there's lots of low hanging fruit of spending
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that's harmful to the country not only just wasteful so i'm for offsets because we got to turn the page
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and stop doing unpaid poor supplementals that said i i think i share your view that i don't support
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funding for ukraine anyway and i certainly wouldn't give money to this administration in the name of
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them pretending to do something they're not going to do you know i i think you could make a case i'll
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sound a little soft here if we had a true border security bill hr2 uh where we had enforcement
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mechanisms where we meted out a little bit of money to essentially buy that border security for the
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country and they didn't get the money until they performed and it was paid for with offsets not for
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ukraine but for our country right yes for yeah that it's performance-based funding and that performance
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is measured by border crossings exactly exactly that you could make an argument if you paid for
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it with offsets and it was performance based on they had to actually execute the policy that
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ended the border invasion you could make an argument for for negotiating that yeah i um i think only in
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washington do we combine our border issue and ukraine's like it all you know we've done town halls together
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uh i know you're you've got a lot of people that you serve as chairman of the freedom caucus
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from around the country and i don't know if there's anywhere in america where people are sitting
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down concerned about our border crisis and then immediately think well if only there was a way to
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do this in ukraine at the same time now there are people who feel very passionately about ukraine
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but even i don't think they view it as linked to our border and so it's this uniquely washington
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concept and i think it's largely driven by the fact it's an open secret that mitch mcconnell views
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the ukraine matter as central to his legacy even more so than the court and i do believe like as an
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evangelical christian mike johnson really wants to get the israel aid done i do so uh and and i think
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that that's not politics for him i think that that's a place with a 4 000 year connection to our
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faith and so you don't want to see it overrun and that's a totally understandable uh perspective for
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someone to have but when you find out what the presiding officers want then sometimes that becomes the
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feature of of a deal and uh you know i look back at our appropriations process is probably the most
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productive way to endeavor upon funding the government and we got criticized because we kept
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people here late at night taking hundreds more votes than they were used to but even when we lose
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those votes like do you view that as as like existentially bad for us because even when we lose
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votes we're forcing people to take votes that's right so your perspective on that it'd be nice if we
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could make other people vote the way we want to but we can't do that and so short of that what you
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want is the opportunity to have the debate to have the fight to have the votes held to get people on
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record and it's a shame because it's your point we had hundreds of amendment votes to cut specific
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spending and almost all of those failed it's it's really a shame that they did in a republican conference
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but at least we're exposing who the republican party is who's with the american people who's with
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cutting spending who's with limiting government who's with who's for the constitution and i'd like
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to think that might help in some primaries this year yeah i and by the way that's not a threat it's
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just democracy yeah you know people see how folks vote then they choose who who their elected leaders
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are uh final question i want to ask you as you as you lead the freedom caucus through these these
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next uh several months and and beyond how are you going to gauge success how are you going to look at
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freedom caucus and say this was we really achieved our objective here uh versus uh you know yet another
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kind of entity in washington that that flummoxes around this crazy place well it's it's difficult for
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us looking at past history and look at the lay land to predict you know significant uh measurable
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success markers if you will uh we can predict lots of reasons why we think that uh failure and
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surrenders in our future because that's what has happened with our conference but i look at last
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week where the the ukraine funding bill combined with an amnesty bill masquerading as a phony border
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security bill was killed and the freedom caucus and our conservative fighting allies like yourself were at
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the forefront of killing that the messaging making it too painful too uncomfortable just untenable
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for a number enough senator republican senators to vote for it and it fell apart conservative nation
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rose up the american people rose up our friends in the movement rose up that was a win it's not not
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time to stop and spike the football and celebrate because we knew the supplemental would come back
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just minus pretending to have border security in it although that would as we both know that would
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have made it actually worse because it would give political cover to those who are perpetrating the
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invasion and make it look like they were doing the stumbling to stop the invasion while not doing
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anything to stop it so that was a win uh winning on fisa would be huge because we will live with that
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for years to come and it has a tremendous impact on the american people especially under this
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administration and god willing we're only going to suffer another uh 10 months or so under this
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administration uh but we were fighting an administration that we know is willing to do
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anything not even pretending anymore they're going for broke because they know their goose is cooked if
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president trump wins and we have house and senate majorities so i think fisa would be one trying to
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you know to battle uh to try to get border security somehow uh in the equation it was supposed to be
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part of the supplemental is what the speaker said that wasn't the play i wanted i wanted to tie it to
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appropriations i don't think we're probably going to win that fight uh but uh to to reduce the harm
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done in the spending battles is probably about the best we can do i'd love to see it be at the fra levels
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at least that was last year which i voted against that it's too high but that it's crazy that like
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even when you've you can almost pick any point in time and say like here i thought the spending was
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too much and it just always goes up yeah and warren davidson our friend likes to say you got to fight
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the battle you're in not the battle that you wish you in and sometimes you have to recalibrate and
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say okay what could success the best semblance of success look like now and sometimes you just have
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to again recalibrate that and do what you think is most right strategically to try to effectuate the
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best outcome the other thing i'd like us to do is to help again uh as members and what we're doing
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here but to try to influence uh conservative wins in those primaries to get more reinforcements
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to expose again who the republican party is who's with us who's not with us in terms of fighting for
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the things we tell the american people we will do if they give us the majority so that we can have a
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better looking conference ideologically hopefully numerically i want it to be larger but i want it
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to be larger with the right number of people no it's it's so key well how can folks follow the work
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of your congressional office and the work of the house freedom caucus uh well they can uh follow uh
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me at good.house.gov or at rep bob good am i allowed to say support me uh this is a congressional
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podcast okay i cannot say that yeah we'll keep it on the official side but yeah at rep bob good and
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good.house.gov awesome well thank you so much thanks for your terrific leadership thanks for
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being my friend here in the united states congress bob good of the commonwealth of virginia we're proud
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of him he's a terrific fire brand uh we did have a we're gonna let congressman good go but we will
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leave you for a moment with uh a little snippet of a song from our friends at the article 3 project
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pulled into atlanta was feeling up my lady friend
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say fanny can you hire me it won't be a kickback scheme i'll take my money leave my wife
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all action has been in the georgia courtrooms today
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as fonnie willis and nathan wade have taken the stand to describe their love and on the week of
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valentine's day how could you not want to celebrate love so we're going to celebrate a little of nathan
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wade's testimony right now take a listen when did your romantic relationship with miss willis begin
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yes ma'am and your relationship started early what's early january february
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around march around march so in 2023 december you said you didn't have any receipts
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i do not have any receipts i did not have any receipts
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correct i did and you traveled with her in 2022 correct
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i did and you traveled with her in 2021 correct
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okay so this roughly sharing travel you're saying she reimbursed you
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and where did you deposit the money she reimbursed you
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oh it was cash she didn't she didn't give me any checks
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so she paid you cash for her share of all these vacations
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mr schaefer you'll step out if you do that again
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and so all of the vacations that she took she paid you cash for
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and you purchased all of these vacations on your business credit card correct
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you did have sexual relationships with someone other than your spouse
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that you did not have sexual relationships with anyone
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and the period of separation is during the period
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then you're answering the question to this interrogatory correct sir
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i didn't answer no to the question you just asked
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that was some of the most incredible testimony from nathan wade
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he said he had not had sexual relations with anyone other than his wife
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he was having sexual relations with fonnie willis
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like well were you having relations with anybody
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no were you having relations with fonnie willis
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and these folks thought they were going to get trump
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that they'd get some big job in the biden administration
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based on whatever nathan wade had cooking in his divorce
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the hubris to think that they could get away with it
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and i'm sure we'll have plenty to say about what that means
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