The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz

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00:00:48.480 welcome back to firebrand we are broadcasting live from the rumble studios here in the united

00:00:57.780 states capital in washington dc i've got a terrific guest who's going to join me in a moment

00:01:02.460 jeremy carl he is a commentator he is a scholar at the claremont institute where we get so many

00:01:08.000 of our ideas really it's the group that's filling the intellectual vacuum that's been abandoned by

00:01:13.340 so many of the compromised think tanks in this town but uh before we get to his work uh critiquing

00:01:19.880 dei and the left's current incarnation of multiculturalism at the exclusion of a pretty

00:01:25.520 substantial portion of the country jeremy i've got to talk to you about just what has the capital

00:01:29.960 abuzz right now uh you've seen pelosi offer something other than a full-throated endorsement

00:01:36.600 of joe biden joe biden has scurried off to the congressional black caucus where he is uh you know

00:01:43.320 being protected by the likes of frederica wilson and maxine waters those are uh those are the stalwarts

00:01:49.680 congresswoman beady um you've seen emmanuel cleaver out there advocating for him but then people like

00:01:55.980 richard torres a democrat from new york uh people like michael bennett who went on cnn last night and

00:02:03.040 just filleted joe biden it is all over the place so i'm i'm too in it i'm in the committees with these

00:02:09.980 people i'm seeing the funeral-like look on their face what is your perspective on this moment in

00:02:16.100 presidential political history that we are in well it's fascinating and there's really very little

00:02:20.140 precedent that i can think if any for it some people talk about lbj uh being pushed out or really

00:02:27.060 pushing himself out though in 1968 but i think it's it's not a good um you know comparison for what we

00:02:32.940 have right now um it really is just a weird thing where the democrats want to get him out but

00:02:40.660 to do so sort of exposes the lies that they've been telling about his fitness for years and it's

00:02:46.680 sort of a game of chicken because biden's just saying hey i'm not gonna go you know i'm i'm happy

00:02:51.060 here and so they have to decide right now they're they're so-called fishing in the rubicon they won't

00:02:55.140 cross the rubicon um and just demand that he get out and so they're just putting themselves in a worse

00:03:00.520 and worse position which is of course great for us yeah i want to break this down in kind of the

00:03:04.180 different vectors of biden world uh you served in the trump administration yes you served in the

00:03:08.900 department of the interior and so you know what it's like uh to be in the official admin as you've

00:03:16.460 got a president who's embattled or taking criticism or seeing the media turn on them that affects that

00:03:22.580 vector the morale of the admin then there is kind of the the political world the campaign team we've

00:03:28.040 seen reporting that they have to continually do these all hands calls to keep everyone from like

00:03:33.560 jumping out of windows in delaware because they're they're like ready to you know draw the warm bath

00:03:39.520 and get the sharp blade out over there and then there's congress world and and that's where i've

00:03:43.880 had the visibility where there's like this real deviation between how members in really safe seats

00:03:50.380 are thinking about joe biden how frontliners are thinking about and then what i call the new frontliner

00:03:55.180 class because if you're in like a d plus eight seat you really haven't had to campaign in a general

00:04:01.380 election with great yeah bigger and now like your pollsters and your consultants are saying whoa whoa

00:04:06.800 whoa you won this district by 12 16 points now joe biden is tied he's down a point he's inside the

00:04:13.860 margin of error so there are all those different vectors i want to get your take on what you think is

00:04:19.260 going on and kind of biden white house world and admin world from your perspective as a as a former

00:04:24.080 admin official yeah well i think probably the the folks in the admin are kind of panicking there

00:04:28.900 there's a lot of confusion there's they're probably getting a lot of signals from different

00:04:32.120 places i think ironically biden for all his incapacity has actually done a pretty good job

00:04:36.840 of staying on message to the best of his ability which is he hasn't kind of deviated at all about

00:04:42.880 hey i'm not going anywhere all his nato buddies came to town right you know he's able to get the

00:04:47.720 band together with nato absolutely so i think that's what they're thinking about i'll tell you what

00:04:51.540 is interesting you mentioned these swing areas so i live in montana where we have john tester who

00:04:55.940 and this is really stiff competition but he may be the biggest fraud in the united states senate

00:05:00.060 he's a good one though yeah no he's extremely good i respect the political skills of a guy who votes

00:05:05.640 that liberal and who continually gets elected in montana i've i've looked into the eyes of the people

00:05:10.020 from montana they are not liberal people no no it's and it really is amazing part of it is because we

00:05:14.500 just have a terrible media that just doesn't cover him but literally from a political science

00:05:18.700 perspective if you look at a dot of the the kind of partisan lean of states and the dot of like

00:05:25.100 where people vote everybody's kind of in a bunch as you just alluded to and then john tester's all

00:05:29.500 the way out by himself just you know on the far extreme just completely out of touch with the state

00:05:36.240 and now he's getting very nervous because he said these nice things about biden and now he's kind of

00:05:41.120 like well i'm not sure that biden he's sort of changing his tune so i think there's a lot of panic

00:05:45.580 in these these close congressional races as well as you mentioned and it's the sherrod brown the john

00:05:50.540 tester the mark warners who are actually getting together and and really talking about this and

00:05:55.960 michael bennett now giving a lot of life to that argument with his recent appearance on on cnn so

00:06:01.900 there's two schools of thought in in the house conference right now and i want to get get your

00:06:06.860 reaction one is when when the enemy is infighting you just let them continue to do that you don't give

00:06:13.820 them a a centralizing force to rally and attack so you know this is an opportunity for republicans to

00:06:20.160 pass like the gas stove bill and whatever whatever sort of mother's day resolutions we have in the

00:06:25.960 drawer um the other theory of the case is this is the time to apply some pressure yeah and the one

00:06:32.820 platform we have to apply that pressure we don't have the admin we don't have the white house we don't

00:06:38.100 have the media we don't have big tech we don't have the senate we have the house of representatives

00:06:41.260 and so you could you could activate the floor of the house of representatives to force people into

00:06:49.260 a pro-biden or anti-biden camp like right now pelosi's able to be out there throwing shade saying

00:06:55.240 well you know well if he makes the choice he's our guy i mean that's that's like yeah that's like

00:07:01.940 somebody yeah it's it's very disingenuous on her part but like what if there was a vote today on the

00:07:07.420 floor yeah to for to have a mental competency test for the president like how would those front lines

00:07:12.780 what if there was a vote on whether or not the 25th amendment should be uh should be contemplated

00:07:17.600 what if there was a vote on who should control the nuclear codes yeah so which camp are you in let

00:07:22.480 them destruct or activate the floor and apply some pressure and see how some of these democrats shake

00:07:28.520 out their voting behavior well i'm going to be unfair you're a much better politician than i am

00:07:32.040 like you've had a lot of success in this area what do you think what would you do like how do you

00:07:35.620 how do you see it i mean i'll tell you if i disagree yeah i i tell you i i would be forcing

00:07:39.880 democrats to either own or disclaim biden i think that when you have an enemy that is at a point of

00:07:46.720 great confusion and discord that's not when you allow them to sort of start cleaning up their own

00:07:52.420 mess instead what you want to do is start to force decisions on them and and really i'd love to see

00:07:58.440 what decision they make on things like uh you know like a mental competency test yeah i'd love and i think

00:08:03.440 that's right i mean and you know just showing again how much better your political skills are

00:08:07.080 than me i hadn't even thought of really doing that on the floor and i think that would be really

00:08:11.440 effective i'd say the one kind of shade i would have on it is i because i would like them to keep

00:08:16.980 biden because i think they just lose with biden whereas with the other they could lose worse

00:08:21.280 okay i think kamala could be a disaster and we could win in a true landslide but there's just more

00:08:26.680 variability in the system and i'd rather take a more obvious w so i wouldn't want to put pressure

00:08:31.700 i want to put pressure on them in such a way that makes them probably stick with biden but take the

00:08:36.420 really painful votes yeah no and i actually think that would be the most likely outcome because

00:08:40.880 if chip roy has his mental competency test legislation on the floor i don't think you're going to see a

00:08:47.920 lot of democrats rushing to vote for that right they'll quibble on some basis that that's not an

00:08:52.260 appropriate action for the house yeah and they'll vote no which kind of forces them into the arms of

00:08:57.800 biden because let me tell you something the conversation is coming where valerie jarrett

00:09:03.040 and susan rice and ron clane and a few of these gray hair you know buddies from the senate of chris

00:09:09.320 coons they'll bring in obama and they'll sit down and say joe jill hunter it's time for your next grand

00:09:15.420 act of patriotism and it's time for you to step aside for kamala harris to be the nominee and if what

00:09:21.840 you're saying is right you prefer the nursing home patient as opposed to what's behind door number two

00:09:26.860 exactly then i think you almost want to arm biden in that discussion yeah by being able to say look

00:09:32.740 every house democrat just voted to not take my nuclear codes away grandpa can still have his keys

00:09:37.740 absolutely you don't have to take them away yeah so i don't know maybe it will work out that way

00:09:41.800 at the end of the day we are really spectators at the moment and the question is whether or not as

00:09:47.840 this and it is a moment in history as it plays out do we want to be the non-playing characters or do we

00:09:53.780 want to define our own destiny with use of the house um i do want to get to your area of study so

00:09:58.580 you're a senior fellow at the claremont institute and just for i'm a huge fan of the scholarship that

00:10:03.120 comes out of the claremont institute but explain to people uh the mission of the institution uh first

00:10:08.640 before we get into your your specific area sure so we are a public policy think tank but we're a little

00:10:13.420 bit different you alluded to that in some of your earlier areas we're less kind of like writing

00:10:17.320 white papers on what marginal tax rates should be and more about trying to educate people about

00:10:22.060 our founding principles and attempting to restore our founding principles to kind of a governing role

00:10:27.000 in society which we would argue that for some time they've essentially been displaced so that's the

00:10:32.020 kind of central principle thing so it actually sort of tends to be um a kind of very high-minded and

00:10:38.600 elevated and philosophical conversation and in fact i've kind of been very grubby in this book in kind

00:10:44.600 of getting into a very messy um area of public policy but i think it's actually one that really does

00:10:50.500 implicate some of these fundamental founding questions about unalienable rights and uh equality

00:10:56.820 and and things that are promised to us in the declaration and constitution so here with jimmy carl and

00:11:01.260 he focuses his research on multiculturalism and race relations so it must be fascinating conferences

00:11:08.120 that you get to go to at the race relation multiculturalism booth that you hang out at and

00:11:13.460 i'm uh i'm sure you get to meet a lot of interesting people but but in in all seriousness you're out with

00:11:18.760 this very hot book right now the unprotected class how anti-white racism is tearing america apart

00:11:24.480 and so what is your lay out your fundamental critique of of the the the system that is destructive and

00:11:33.080 divisive right now yeah well it's just that right now we have um we actually do kind of have systemic

00:11:38.400 racism in the united states it's just the opposite way of the way that the left is talking about it

00:11:42.180 which is we have systemic racism against white americans now of course i'm not suggesting this is

00:11:46.920 the only type of racism that exists in 2024 but i argue that it's the politically most salient and so

00:11:52.960 what i do in the book after kind of setting up a little bit of the terrain and walking through the

00:11:58.560 civil rights law and the civil rights revolution is in 12 different areas of american life everything

00:12:03.620 from uh crime to looking at the military to health care to even the church and entertainment i attempt

00:12:12.320 to kind of lay out what anti-white policies and anti-white attitudes are kind of pervading and the

00:12:18.860 sort of very negative effects they're having and then at the end i kind of sketch out why is this

00:12:24.320 happening because it doesn't everything happens in politics for a reason right it's not just

00:12:28.160 like a random occurrence and then i sort of say well what can we we do about it and that's that's

00:12:32.600 sort of the the the book in a nutshell it's almost as if we've created a culture of victimization

00:12:38.920 and if you're not a white guy you get to associate there's a victim group for you to associate right

00:12:45.240 and and it's a pretty easy one to glom to based on your identity and so if you're a white guy and

00:12:51.280 you're looking around and saying well everybody else is part of a victim group what's my victim group

00:12:55.400 like drug addict becomes kind of the big one yeah absolutely and in fact one of the things i have

00:13:00.620 talked about in interviews and also talk about in the book is i am not looking to create a new victim

00:13:04.940 right here right like i'm just simply saying like white people should have enough self-respect that we

00:13:10.520 should stand up for equal treatment um so i'm not trying to create a politics of whiteness i'm trying

00:13:15.560 to create a politics of we should all be be treated in a an affair and equal way um and you are seeing

00:13:21.460 this by the way you're seeing when a lot of times when i've talked to more challenging interviewers

00:13:25.700 you know they say well you know what's the evidence for this white people seem to be doing

00:13:28.720 pretty well well i talk in the book about some of the ways in which white people are not doing so well

00:13:32.340 in 2024 you discussed the sort of drug overdose epidemic as one of those um but uh beyond that that

00:13:40.500 fact you see in the census and in other data a flight from whiteness so if you can identify as

00:13:47.880 anything other than white you do in 1960 we had about 550 000 native americans on the u.s census

00:13:54.940 in 2020 u.s census we had 9.7 million now this is not due to a native american fertility explosion

00:14:01.760 in those 60 years it's because i want to yeah i want to know what's going on in the wigwam yeah no

00:14:07.420 no it's because people figured out that hey you know it's a lot better to be a native american it's

00:14:13.480 it's elizabeth warren it's that play you know it's it was one of the nine million she was one of those

00:14:18.340 i don't know if she checked the box right but like she did pretty clearly get benefits in her academic

00:14:23.960 career she went to a really mediocre law school but somehow wound up at harvard law so what's the

00:14:28.760 answer to the criticism we are frequent well actually let's hear the criticism we've got a

00:14:32.940 number of uh of my colleagues in congress and other leftist commentators who who make this argument

00:14:38.420 that it is indeed uh the need to target white people that animates their public service take a

00:14:43.760 listen uh the army has struggled to meet its recruiting goals we want to figure out what what

00:14:48.880 can we do to help uh the army meet those goals we are in a war for talent one of the things we have

00:14:54.320 to do is really um find a way to tell the army story to as many young americans as we can when we

00:15:01.200 have a military that seems to invoke this sense of wokeness and where we're like on a snipe hunt for

00:15:08.080 white supremacy every day in the military i think that that causes people who might otherwise sign

00:15:14.240 up for the army to not do so mr gates is the very first person to mention white supremacy or wokeness

00:15:20.920 the only person on this committee who seems obsessed with white supremacy and wokeness is mr gates

00:15:27.700 white supremacists white supremacy organized white supremacy white supremacy white supremacy white

00:15:34.360 white supremacist and extremist white supremacy neo-nazi domestic terrorism and white supremacist

00:15:39.660 widely fueled by white supremacy white supremacist white supremacist white supremacist group i want to

00:15:45.660 understand white rage and i'm white and i want to understand it ask the force to uh conduct a

00:15:51.600 brief uh stand down to discuss the issue of of extremist extremism in our ranks white supremacy

00:15:58.820 white supremacist political extremism klu klux klan domestic terrorism domestic terror that we must

00:16:05.280 confront and we will defeat the only person who seems obsessed with white supremacy and wokeness

00:16:11.560 is mr gates i i guess i'm the obsessed one jerry i mean that's an amazing supercut by the way

00:16:18.960 um and i'm glad you actually put up that military thing in general because it's actually one of the

00:16:23.400 most discouraging trends that we have and i talk about this in my military chapter of the book

00:16:28.300 because while race relations have not been perfect in the military they've been probably better in the

00:16:33.200 military for longer than just about anywhere else in society military communities the most integrated

00:16:37.820 communities in america we've always said you know you whether it's not black or white or anything else

00:16:43.240 you all bleed red um we've had a notable integration in the military for longer than we had it in the

00:16:50.180 broad society and the democrats seem intent on completely undoing that you and others have

00:16:54.920 kind of unmasked this in various uh investigations of what's what's going on and it's you you touched

00:17:01.160 on this while numbers are going down i i document this in the book so in the last five years we've had

00:17:06.640 a 40 percent drop in white recruits to the military no drops in any other group and that's i mean

00:17:14.240 that'd be a problem for any reason but what makes it a particularly big problem is those people are much

00:17:19.700 more likely to be the tip of the spear they're much more likely by percentage to be in special forces

00:17:24.500 kind of like really doing the most dangerous and important work we have in the military and we're

00:17:28.780 telling them you're not wanted yeah it's it's as if a lot of my colleagues are on a white supremacy

00:17:35.020 snipe hunt yeah yeah and i i wonder what you've really studied as the political incentive for that i mean

00:17:41.860 is it just as simple as you've got a you've got some self-loathing white libs who think that

00:17:46.940 if they like demonstrate that they are they too are on a white supremacy you know hunt that that

00:17:52.760 will appeal to other voters because i mean i've never seen a republican build a more multicultural

00:17:59.600 coalition than donald trump sure and so what is it about what you study about the political science of

00:18:05.940 this that draws people into this this fiction of sure of of white supremacy around every corner

00:18:12.060 absolutely so let's break it down for a couple different groups there's the white liberals and

00:18:17.220 for my next book i kind of want to put them on the psychiatrist couch and talk about all that's going

00:18:21.540 on with them because you actually really do document by the way and this is not you know everything i'm

00:18:26.060 giving you here is from mainstream sources these aren't like partisan sources a huge amount of mental

00:18:31.860 illness in the white liberal community as compared to white conservatives so i think that's some of it

00:18:36.880 i think some of it is a stat they just self-diagnose better yeah we're more mentally ill but we just we

00:18:42.600 just aren't enlightened enough to be able to self-diagnose all of our different frailties well

00:18:48.060 yes but they're they're actually this is um the usually the way the question is asked is has a provider

00:18:52.720 diagnosed you right with a mental health thing so again i think it's pretty real there's also in you

00:18:58.080 i think we're kind of getting toward this a status element of it so somebody like me i mean my family's

00:19:03.780 doing very well my wife's a doctor i have background in business you know we're not starving but we've

00:19:07.980 got five kids and we're not like trillionaires or anything and i'm i'm sitting there looking you know

00:19:12.260 how am i gonna provide for them i'm worried about it now if i had a couple extra zeros in my bank

00:19:17.960 account it's a little bit of a flex right it's like oh yeah yeah sure i've got privilege because

00:19:22.900 i can maneuver around that system anyway if i really have a lot of power so for the you know the

00:19:28.040 hollywood elites and all these type of people i think that's what's going on so that's white people i

00:19:32.480 mean this is i'm oversimplifying here but i'm just trying to tell this story um really quickly

00:19:36.800 now for minorities i think it's a little more complicated and again there's lots of things

00:19:40.780 going on but i'll pick what i think is the biggest um so the late sociologist c wright mills who was

00:19:46.360 very very influential came up with a concept of what's called a legitimating ideology and that's

00:19:50.780 basically a fancy way of saying a story that you tell yourself and others to kind of do the thing

00:19:56.560 that you want to do anyway so in 2024 you can't just have minority groups or or members of them

00:20:02.580 going up to white people saying like you know hey like give me your stuff right like that's not

00:20:06.580 considered acceptable in america so in some jurisdictions in la new york jurisdictions it

00:20:12.960 could be but um what you have to do is you have to create this legitimating ideology so you start

00:20:17.660 talking about white supremacy white privilege white oppression you know the whole history of the

00:20:22.960 horrible things you did and then it's like no no no you you need to give me your stuff because i am

00:20:27.620 owed your things and so that's the sort of legitimating ideology that i think we have going on you need to

00:20:34.200 create that because it at the end of the day it's one of the oldest stories in politics somebody else

00:20:38.640 has got something and i want it and so this is how i'm going to take it and one of those things

00:20:42.820 certainly is opportunity and so we've talked about that in the military but we've also see it manifest

00:20:47.220 in the corporate world we are incredibly proud of our friends at o'keefe media group for having

00:20:52.260 exposed that at the walt disney corporation in its worst form take a listen dei is an order form

00:20:59.100 for people not about good or qualified or credentialed or talented just immutable characteristics that

00:21:06.460 which you cannot change we had a situation where we wanted to hire somebody in a department a few years

00:21:12.860 ago now um who was half black but didn't like peer half black and um there was a creative executive

00:21:22.700 who was like we're not like that's not that's not what's going like they wanted the full they wanted

00:21:29.840 somebody in meetings who would appear a certain way and he wasn't gonna gonna bring that to the meeting

00:21:35.120 and so this is like on the this was on the corporate side like the business side

00:21:40.460 dei says it's what's on the outside that counts how many left-handed lesbians do you need have you

00:21:47.400 have enough women of color on your board have you hired enough illegal immigrants lately and so it's

00:21:52.900 probably fair that disney would say we don't want a white person to play this role yeah i mean i think

00:21:59.520 they're very careful about what they're very careful about messaging because they don't want to get

00:22:05.940 to discrimination in either direction but certainly there have been times where you know there's no

00:22:13.500 way we're hiding away now it's kind of unspoken uh there are times when it's spoken but how would

00:22:19.760 they say it there's no way we're hiding away now it's what they say like straight to you or okay

00:22:26.020 america isn't a slave auction we cannot hire and promote and pay people based on the skin color

00:22:33.560 or the traits they cannot change we must hire and promote and pay based on merit and merits alone

00:22:40.720 we're back live with jeremy carl author of the unprotected class so jeremy talk a little bit about

00:22:51.160 how we see dei specifically playing out in the corporate world in the purveyors of dei and and

00:22:57.880 how you study that impacting these fundamental issues of culture yeah well and and corporations

00:23:03.880 have tremendous power and i think even more and and the the certainly not the sole focus of my corporate

00:23:09.180 chapter but the one i probably spend the most time in is the tech world because the the the culture of

00:23:14.860 big tech that's where all the big money is right now has a huge effect and it's so far left you even had

00:23:21.040 some in the kind of peak of post-covid they said we're going to do essentially they had a different

00:23:27.740 word for it and i put it in the book i'm just i'm blanking on what it is all of a sudden but

00:23:30.940 but essentially they were doing racially preferential firing um because it was like equity right so that

00:23:37.320 basically meant if you're white you're out the door first when they needed to do a cutback and it

00:23:42.480 was just overt i mean by the way completely illegal i don't know if they ever were were ultimately

00:23:46.540 successfully sued over and i don't think that they were but you've got this you've got um things

00:23:52.760 where the ceo of citigroup is you know taking a knee for black lives matter you've got all sorts of

00:23:59.140 ridiculous things going on in these corporations you've got overt discrimination going on you touched

00:24:04.840 on the disney example i was on andrew clavin's podcast a really good guy but not like a fire

00:24:10.000 breathing you know right winger or anything you know just like a good solid sort of normal conservative

00:24:14.800 and he just mentioned offhand and this is something i've heard elsewhere but he he indicated

00:24:18.540 you know personally aware of this of situations where he in hollywood you know basically had seen

00:24:24.760 an african-american person be put on a script um getting a credit for something that they didn't

00:24:29.800 have anything to do with because somebody needed to you know check a diversity box right so that's a

00:24:35.360 pretty stunning story and again there are a lot of stories of things like that going on in hollywood

00:24:40.400 it's just it's it's pervasive that you will have less of a chance as a white american in a big

00:24:46.960 corporate environment right now you just will where does that lead because it seems as though it creates

00:24:52.020 a market inefficiency around talent yeah and where market inefficiencies exist ultimately people go to

00:24:57.440 exploit those efficient inefficiencies for profit yeah i mean are we going are we are we going to see the

00:25:02.520 days when the companies go to the headhunters that specifically find people who weren't sufficiently

00:25:07.860 diverse but who might be sufficiently talented or skilled in order to add value to a company for

00:25:14.060 for the almighty dollar well i think that you already are beginning to see little bits of this a friend

00:25:19.020 of mine named nate fisher has a group new founding and again it's not sort of doing anything explicitly

00:25:23.120 on race but but i think it kind of indirectly touches on a lot of this for kind of people who are

00:25:29.620 getting pushed out of the system whether it be because of their ethnic background or because of their

00:25:33.680 religious values or whatever else and there's real market inefficiencies to exploit there i think

00:25:38.960 you're also going to see and again this could have some weird backfires you're going to see more young

00:25:43.020 white people becoming entrepreneurs because they realize there's no place for them as easily in the

00:25:49.080 system so they're going to go outside the system and you're already seeing this again i talked to a lot

00:25:52.880 of younger white people first big show i did on this book was with charlie kirk and charlie said you know

00:25:59.740 hey when i talked to my donors about this type of issue they're like you know they get a little bit

00:26:03.460 nervous they're like you know can you say that it sort of sounds racist not all of them be said

00:26:07.080 but you know some of the older guys that they do when i said when i go on a college campus and i talk to

00:26:11.520 young white people they say this is the number one issue we're facing thank you so much for raising

00:26:16.300 it so i think there's a generational change uh at foot and and it's going to develop in some

00:26:21.080 interesting and unpredictable ways yeah and it seems as though the awareness of it among those

00:26:25.160 most impacted by it would be a natural outgrowth but then how that manifests i'd never thought about

00:26:30.740 it in terms of the growth of an entrepreneurship and then what that does also to to america's great

00:26:36.460 corporations sure i grew up a guy rooting for america's businesses right you know right you're not

00:26:42.000 rooting for alibaba to win right you're you're rooting for america to win but if our businesses become

00:26:48.300 just uh sort of servants of dei rather than the the great centers for innovation and progress

00:26:55.940 that we've seen throughout our lives that that has a cascading impact too absolutely and i think the

00:27:01.220 good news maybe for our bigger corporations is we're seeing more pushback finally and you look at folks

00:27:06.320 like our friend steven miller at america first legal they're pursuing a really aggressive legal strategy

00:27:11.800 of beginning to sue some of these companies that are doing blatantly illegal under the current law

00:27:17.540 anti-white stuff and so i think where you'll see is that the people who still really want to

00:27:23.100 discriminate in corporations against white people will find a way to do it but there's a lot of them

00:27:28.420 that are just kind of going along because that's the system and they would actually kind of like to do

00:27:32.320 merit hiring and what our job is i think as republicans in the very short term is to kind of open the

00:27:38.160 door and make it easy for those companies to do the right thing because you know that that you're

00:27:43.800 putting a threat on the other end now too i think that's the short term thing we can do so final

00:27:49.020 question but i've got a lot of constituents in my district who are farmers who live in rural areas

00:27:55.080 who they're not they're not uh part of any fortune 100 corporate structure and when you just see the

00:28:03.420 words diversity equity and inclusion there's nothing naturally about those words that's scary but when

00:28:09.180 you put them together it is resulted in this incredibly racist and divisive and destructive

00:28:14.680 policy so how would you describe dei to someone who didn't have a natural apprehension toward it and

00:28:22.900 and wanted to understand what it meant to them yeah dei is anti-white i mean that's that's what it is

00:28:29.240 that's why i mean and it's one of the reasons that i i was actually very insistent so originally i wanted

00:28:34.180 to title this book it's okay to be white um which would have been very impish and i actually got that

00:28:38.880 by the editors and then the two months later the publishers came back and said you know we can't

00:28:43.580 sell a book with that title uh in walmart or costco or you know barnes and noble which is interesting

00:28:48.480 because of course if i'd said it was okay to be asian american or hispanic or black or native american

00:28:53.100 right right so it was actually a perfect illustration of my thesis right like oh put on the clanhood now

00:28:58.320 jeremy because he said it's okay to be white but i think i actually really like i mean it's we've done a

00:29:03.540 great job of stigmatizing the word dei and i think that's great i have no objection to us using it but

00:29:08.520 i also think it's very important we kind of take the battle now to a new front and we don't mystify

00:29:12.980 what dei means which is dei i mean there's there's more at stake but at its core it's about anti-whiteness

00:29:20.300 and it is about the opposite of merit and it's not just for you know folks in your district i mean i live

00:29:26.460 in a very uh in a rural area outside a small city in montana so uh well i you know i sort of have

00:29:33.620 friends who are dealing with the same thing it's not just for big companies it's everywhere that

00:29:38.080 you're going to be um at a disadvantage from this and as the demographics of america change that is

00:29:44.960 going to actually get even worse for you unless we do something to stop it the unprotected class jeremy

00:29:49.840 carl is the author and thank you so much for your perspective for all the work that we see done

00:29:54.180 at the claremont institute as well i did want to leave everyone with one final clip today in the

00:29:59.340 house judiciary committee we had a discussion over how the people who place advertising are using their

00:30:06.160 market power in order to achieve political goals and one of those political goals is censorship now we

00:30:12.060 saw a lot of these powerful companies including uh unilever whose whose chief executive harish patel

00:30:18.700 i was questioning in the upcoming clip they were saying well sure we place hundreds of millions of dollars

00:30:23.320 in advertising uh but but we don't have any political tilt or political belief and you'll see how that

00:30:30.600 goes in the questioning enjoy take a listen and check back with us soon mr patel are you part of an

00:30:36.060 organization that uses market power for censorship no sir and how much advertising capital do you deploy

00:30:43.400 annually how much marketing investment do we spend yeah uh 850 million a year and you spend you said less

00:30:52.060 than one percent of that in the news area right yes sir and that's because really your brands don't

00:30:57.740 want to be involved in these caustic news disputes or political disputes they want to be apolitical in

00:31:04.340 the presentation of their brand that's your is my understanding that testimony correctly so we we serve 90

00:31:09.860 percent of american households with our portfolio it's a fascinating answer just not to my question

00:31:15.060 is the reason you de-emphasize news because you want to be apolitical we target our investment to

00:31:25.140 address the consumers that buy our brands okay are you doing so for political reasons or apolitical

00:31:31.780 reasons we don't do it for any political reason okay so then why are the vice presidents of your company

00:31:37.700 trying to shape the way facebook limits view of a trump advertisement so i'm not sure what the intention

00:31:47.940 of that communication was but i do it was to get the trump ad taken down it's pretty clear you had two vice

00:31:54.520 presidents rob master and luis tacomo who were pressuring facebook to to utilize facebook's policies to take

00:32:03.920 down a trump ad so it's it's just hard to believe that your goal is to avoid politics when the like

00:32:10.800 not some intern at your company but the vice presidents at your at unilever are writing facebook

00:32:16.780 saying we want you to take this trump ad down and apply these policies to do it so i'm not sure what the

00:32:23.380 intention of communication was but i'll tell you what i'll read you the communication it's two words

00:32:28.780 it's it's it's your vice president to garm when they were trying to get the facebook ad taken out

00:32:34.000 it said honestly reprehensible so you you're you're using this 800 million dollar plus power that you

00:32:42.500 have over the marketplace facebook is craving your advertising dollars and you have two vice presidents

00:32:48.380 hammering facebook to take down a trump ad about whether or not joe biden should have his ear inspected

00:32:54.500 for an earpiece that was what the ad was about that you all found so reprehensible

00:32:58.740 so respectfully i'm not sure that word was done by a unilever person you're you're okay so mr

00:33:06.580 tacomo didn't work for unilever he he sits on the if i can't if i did my homework right i think

00:33:13.920 that came from um the garm uh rob oh rob rankowitz yes and and you're you but you are member entities

00:33:23.300 to garm you pay garm you guys are garm i mean as mr jewel said you guys have got you have to have

00:33:28.600 tools in order to help you place your ads so you go fund garm and then here your executive your

00:33:33.800 vice presidents are commiserating with garm over the fact that facebook won't remove this i guess

00:33:38.340 mr shapiro when you when we look at these big advertising platforms and they're here they're

00:33:43.960 hearing the people with the advertising dollars hammer them with this ideological tilt what does

00:33:49.880 what what does that do to the marketplace for ideas obviously it shuts down the marketplace of

00:33:56.580 ideas which is largely the intent and one of the things that i've heard from some of the democratic

00:34:02.100 members of the committee today is an extraordinary amount of projection projection wherein they suggest

00:34:06.960 that republican members of the committee are trying to shut down free speech by trying to get answers

00:34:10.420 to questions about the kind of political pressures that are being put on social media companies for

00:34:14.340 example but it's been democrats who for years have been spending their time trying to pressure social

00:34:19.520 media companies into doing their bidding by limiting the types of information that are available to the

00:34:23.860 public and how that information is actually distributed one of the things that that's worth noting here

00:34:28.280 is that it's not just a matter of advertising dollars flowing the way that it works on social media is that if

00:34:33.060 you are demonetized then the reach of your actual content is also limited by the same social media companies

00:34:39.340 obviously the frequency of those demonetization rises when you have vice presidents of companies at unilever

00:34:46.220 trying to hammer entities like facebook into taking down trump ads absolutely absolutely there's no question

00:34:52.060 that when you have internal pressures put on social media companies to take down right-wing material that that

00:34:57.200 has an impact on the reach of right-wing messaging there's just no question and i guess i don't mind when

00:35:02.240 democrats say they don't like conservative speech or we get to say we don't like some of their speech

00:35:06.000 that's how this works but it's when when the business community colludes and utilizes market

00:35:12.320 power to shape the way social media companies or websites disseminate information that the public

00:35:19.600 doesn't even get to see that that debate and engage it and i think the fact that it's clandestine is

00:35:24.280 actually even more corrosive to the values that undergird that's absolutely true the complete lack of

00:35:28.820 transparency with which garm treats both the member companies as well as the consuming public is one of the

00:35:34.560 major problems if they simply wish to levy a boycott against a right-wing source they should simply say

00:35:39.160 that's what they're doing hiding behind fake standards in order to project objectivity is a major problem

00:35:44.720 in transparency for the market

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