The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - December 09, 2021


Episode 19： Censured (feat. Rep. Paul Gosar) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz


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Rep. Paul Gosar is the first Republican to be censured by the House of Representatives since Alexander Hamilton and the first conservative to be removed from oversight of the committee. Rep. Gosar talks about his censure and why he thinks it s a good thing.

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00:00:01.000 The embattled Congressman Matt Gaetz.
00:00:03.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress
00:00:06.000 who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington on behalf of his constituents.
00:00:10.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem for the Democratic Party.
00:00:13.000 He could cause a lot of hiccups in passing applause.
00:00:16.000 So we're going to keep running those stories to get hurt again.
00:00:20.000 If you stand for the flag and kneel in prayer,
00:00:23.000 if you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground,
00:00:27.000 then welcome, my fellow patriots. You are in the right place.
00:00:31.000 This is the movement for you.
00:00:33.000 You ever watch this guy on television?
00:00:35.000 It's like a machine. Matt Gaetz.
00:00:38.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.
00:00:41.000 Many days I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.
00:00:46.000 They aren't really coming for me. They're coming for you.
00:00:50.000 I'm just in the way.
00:00:52.000 Are there different batches of vaccines in white neighborhoods for white people?
00:01:00.000 You'll be surprised what one of the expert witnesses
00:01:03.000 House Democrats brought to the Judiciary Committee has to say about that subject
00:01:07.000 following our interview with Dr. Paul Gosar.
00:01:11.000 Now, Paul Gosar is an America First congressman.
00:01:14.000 He is also the first member of Congress to be sanctioned and censured by the body since Alexander Hamilton.
00:01:22.000 Now, when Democrats needed something to unify an otherwise splintered caucus leading up to the massive spending legislation they were pushing,
00:01:31.000 they actually used the Gosar censure to try to create unity.
00:01:36.000 unity on their side. I thought it was pretty clownish. Here's what I had to say. 0.93
00:01:41.000 I am no expert on Japanese anime, but I am told and I do believe that it is not real.
00:01:50.000 What is real is the crisis on our border, the inflation crushing American families, unvetted Afghans in our country. 1.00
00:01:59.000 And what is definitely real is the violence that burned our cities and harmed our businesses in the summer of 2020,
00:02:07.000 often encouraged by Democrats in Congress.
00:02:10.000 And anime is fiction to the point of the absurd.
00:02:15.000 It's not really my thing and it does glorify violence, but often to symbolize conflict, not realistic harm to another person.
00:02:25.000 In the last session week we had, we reviewed Steve Bannon's podcast.
00:02:31.000 Today, we're critiquing Paul Gosar's anime.
00:02:35.000 Next week, we might be indicting the Wile E. Coyote for an explosive ordinance against the Roadrunner.
00:02:43.000 If you don't like Paul Gosar's tweets, tweet back at him.
00:02:46.000 We know there are plenty of folks in big tech who will amplify your message.
00:02:50.000 But the gentlelady from Pennsylvania gave the game away. 1.00
00:02:54.000 This isn't really about a tweet.
00:02:56.000 It's about removing a powerful conservative Paul Gosar from the Oversight Committee.
00:03:02.000 And so earlier I spoke with Congressman Paul Gosar of Arizona regarding his censure,
00:03:07.000 regarding the Congress and the future of the America First movement.
00:03:11.000 Take a listen.
00:03:13.000 I'm here with Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar.
00:03:16.000 We're going to talk election integrity, corruption in Congress, the fight we have ahead,
00:03:22.000 how to use the Republican representation that we do have to build leverage in the battle for our people.
00:03:28.000 But first, Paul, just how would you describe your political ideology?
00:03:32.000 Conservative, conservative, conservative.
00:03:35.000 Well, you know, within the conservative movement, we have kind of friends like Thomas Massey, the libertarian leaning conservatives.
00:03:42.000 There are folks who, you know, consider themselves very socially conservative.
00:03:46.000 There is this new ascendant populism.
00:03:50.000 How do you how do you balance those things?
00:03:53.000 Or would you just say across the board?
00:03:55.000 No, I think there's some pragmatic aspects to me in regards to how do we get the conservative message across.
00:04:02.000 But there's also some tenacity.
00:04:04.000 You know, you've got to be like a dog on a bone to make sure that you're forceful and but stalwart in trying to get those messages across.
00:04:14.000 And why it applies the constitutional application to people and the principles.
00:04:20.000 You know, we like to bring folks into the room behind the scenes.
00:04:26.000 And one of the places that we should be developing that vision and strategy is in our House Republican conference meetings.
00:04:33.000 This is where the Republicans get together as a team and decide how we're going to confront the Democrats.
00:04:38.000 And earlier you and I were at one of these meetings.
00:04:41.000 It was actually Congresswoman Boebert sitting with us at a breakfast.
00:04:45.000 And the leadership and their polling operation were trying to tell us what we really needed to be talking about on the campaign trail.
00:04:54.000 And they said the most important thing to talk about is inflation, inflation, inflation.
00:04:58.000 And that was really what was going to drive our voters.
00:05:01.000 And we see the way Biden inflation is really hurting people.
00:05:04.000 But I asked him to go back and tell us where election integrity fit on that issue matrix.
00:05:11.000 And lo and behold, they did not even test election integrity.
00:05:16.000 You know, you have been on the forefront of a lot of these election battles in Arizona.
00:05:21.000 How do you see the issue of election integrity with Americans?
00:05:26.000 It's the foremost issue in my district.
00:05:30.000 I'm not an affluent district.
00:05:32.000 I'm a very rural district.
00:05:33.000 I represented over 85 percent of Arizona at one time or another.
00:05:37.000 So lots of small places, lots of small businesses.
00:05:41.000 They believe that if they don't have a true election and that they can trust their ballot getting to the person they vote for, that the republic cannot stand.
00:05:51.000 So it is paramount, the number one issue, Matt.
00:05:54.000 Number one.
00:05:55.000 And what would happen, you think, to Republicans practically if we stopped talking about election integrity?
00:06:01.000 Trust is a series of promises kept.
00:06:04.000 And I think, more importantly, that people would lose trust in the last people that they think they have fighting for their right and their republic.
00:06:13.000 Do you think it's fair to say then that discussing the Biden failures are necessary but not sufficient?
00:06:21.000 And what is absolutely critical is continuing to pursue legal changes, strategy changes, tactical changes, changes in state statute, changes in personnel in order to ensure that when people cast their precious vote that they feel it is valued.
00:06:38.000 It is.
00:06:39.000 And in order to understand the magnitude, you have to have a come to Jesus moment where you put everything on the table.
00:06:46.000 Show the American people.
00:06:48.000 They're the ones that are the governed.
00:06:50.000 And you've got to make sure that you're checking the box, making sure what is the checks and balance.
00:06:55.000 How is this ballot being looked at?
00:06:58.000 How is it being carefully monitored?
00:07:00.000 How is it carefully being tabulated?
00:07:03.000 You know, those are very important to people.
00:07:06.000 And we have very little time to do it.
00:07:09.000 And what is your expectation of that timeframe?
00:07:12.000 Well, my expectation has been delayed because of the executive branch in Arizona, the governor.
00:07:18.000 He should be calling a special session so that we can look at some of the things that the audit, the forensic audit brought out, that some of the things that the attorney general is now looking at that they weren't able to look at from the audit standpoint and making sure that we're correcting those things before 2022.
00:07:36.000 So do you believe that Governor Ducey, the Republican governor of Arizona, has done enough to advance the cause of election integrity?
00:07:45.000 Absolutely not.
00:07:46.000 Do you believe that the Arizona attorney general, Mr. Brnovich, has done enough to protect people's vote?
00:07:52.000 Not yet.
00:07:53.000 Now what's happening, we're all watching because he now controls the whole issue.
00:07:58.000 It's been referred for criminal intent in regards to what happened with the election.
00:08:03.000 He gets access to the routers, which they never got a chance to get to because of the way that more supervisors challenged the state Senate.
00:08:14.000 So we'll see.
00:08:15.000 Is Arizona a blue state now?
00:08:17.000 No, it's a red state.
00:08:19.000 And you got two Democrat senators.
00:08:21.000 You've got a majority of the delegation in Congress represented by Democrats.
00:08:26.000 What's your what's your best evidence that it's a red state?
00:08:29.000 Right. Well, I mean, it's when you look at it, there's there's some things that are unique to Arizona.
00:08:34.000 One of them is the legacy of John McCain.
00:08:37.000 You know, when you look at the last election, that was a lot of influence from the former senator and from the grave.
00:08:44.000 Absolutely.
00:08:45.000 If you're with the family and for his network, John ran Arizona and he did not like Donald Trump.
00:08:52.000 And so you think that in in upcoming elections, you could see a different a different issue matrix matter to people.
00:09:00.000 You know, there are a lot of folks who expect that Republicans are going to take the majority.
00:09:05.000 Biden president, maybe even Schumer in the Senate.
00:09:09.000 But in a world in which Joe Biden is president and Republicans are in control in the House.
00:09:15.000 How should we use leverage in order to get some wins for our people?
00:09:20.000 Because so many folks right now feel beaten down by these mandates and lockdowns and they want hope.
00:09:27.000 Would a Republican majority give people hope?
00:09:30.000 It would if, once again, it gets back to that trust as a series of promises kept.
00:09:35.000 Everybody wants to talk about this contract with America, doing it again.
00:09:42.000 You probably heard me.
00:09:44.000 I'm happy with that, but with one exception.
00:09:48.000 And that is it comes from the people, not from Washington down like the last one did, but from the people up.
00:09:54.000 What do you think is the most fundamental promise we need to keep?
00:09:58.000 Is trust. I mean, honor the things.
00:10:01.000 I mean, we we did not keep promises on repealing Obamacare.
00:10:05.000 No, you know, we and so we lost the majority, I think, in large part because we didn't keep that promise.
00:10:10.000 You know, you are representing a border state.
00:10:13.000 You lead on a lot of immigration issues in the Congress.
00:10:16.000 Is there a more important promise to keep from a policy standpoint than sealing that border and deporting people who are here illegally there? 0.96
00:10:25.000 There, you know, it gets back to the rule of law.
00:10:28.000 You know, inviting or allowing people to come in uninvited, defying our rule of law as our first act of coming in the United States is defiance to the whole matrix of the Republic.
00:10:39.000 And I think that's one of those.
00:10:42.000 But I think there's so many we've let this this Republic down so far.
00:10:46.000 We've the Congress has given so much of its power back to the executive branch.
00:10:51.000 And it's we the people and the states that have to fight back that federal government.
00:10:56.000 So I think the biggest thing is is empowering states to take back those those issues.
00:11:03.000 Like in your state, Governor DeSantis is one of the people I cite all the time.
00:11:08.000 You don't know what you can do until you do it.
00:11:11.000 Mm hmm. The role of oversight will be a very important one.
00:11:16.000 You've got a strong background in oversight, serving on the Oversight Committee previously.
00:11:22.000 What is the most important investigation that you think Republicans need to advance into the Biden administration?
00:11:28.000 I think it's this whole legal cover up of the Biden scam.
00:11:32.000 I think that personal graft. Absolutely.
00:11:35.000 And I think that how the FBI covered it up, how the FBI squelched it during the election of 2020 and making people be held accountable.
00:11:45.000 Why would the FBI go to such length to protect the Bidens?
00:11:49.000 Is that your your assertion?
00:11:51.000 Yeah, it is.
00:11:52.000 You know, so we just had a president, President Trump, that did everything he said he was going to do.
00:11:58.000 Isn't that novel?
00:11:59.000 You know, and now we've got a guy that will lie every time he gets a chance.
00:12:05.000 Mm hmm.
00:12:06.000 And the only enablers are the law.
00:12:09.000 You know, and oversight, you bring it up.
00:12:11.000 I've been here.
00:12:12.000 We're fast and furious.
00:12:13.000 Benghazi, the IRS, the oversight.
00:12:16.000 You questioned people during the Russia hoax.
00:12:18.000 Absolutely.
00:12:19.000 On the oversight.
00:12:20.000 And tell me where justification came for the application of the letter of the law.
00:12:25.000 Nobody.
00:12:26.000 And America sees that.
00:12:28.000 They see one law for me.
00:12:32.000 A different law for the.
00:12:34.000 And what do you think is that divide?
00:12:35.000 I mean, you know, Biden and Trump were both president.
00:12:38.000 So it's not just that the FBI would cover for any president because your assertion seems to be that they targeted Trump.
00:12:44.000 And we obviously saw that in the evidence and that they're covering for Biden family personal graft.
00:12:51.000 Yeah.
00:12:52.000 Well, this gets to the bureaucracy.
00:12:54.000 You know, this has been a self feeding machine here in Washington, D.C.
00:12:57.000 And they see this bubble they talk about the swamp, the sewer, as I call it.
00:13:01.000 And it breeds upon itself.
00:13:03.000 You know, it says you scratch my back.
00:13:05.000 I'll scratch yours.
00:13:06.000 It's not about the representation of the people.
00:13:09.000 So that's what I worry about, Paul.
00:13:10.000 I worry that we could win the majority.
00:13:13.000 Joe Biden could be president and we could have a docile, you know, compromising leadership willing to cut deals and just allow Joe Biden to go about his merry way.
00:13:24.000 Whereas my perspective is that we need tough, effective, fair, but rigorous and dogged oversight that dog with a bone on a lot of these different things that the Biden administration is doing.
00:13:38.000 One of the points of leverage that people talk about is the utilization of shutdowns.
00:13:43.000 Yeah.
00:13:44.000 What would be the Paul Gosar standard for what is worth shutting the government down if we had the majority?
00:13:50.000 To get it to get back to the systems of the way the process works.
00:13:54.000 Good process builds good policy, builds good politics.
00:13:57.000 It's that simple.
00:13:59.000 It's getting back to get light on all these issues.
00:14:02.000 Would you would you shut down the government over immigration?
00:14:05.000 I would.
00:14:06.000 Would you shut down the government over vaccine mandates?
00:14:10.000 Absolutely.
00:14:11.000 Would you shut down the government over mask mandates?
00:14:14.000 I might do it a different way, but I think that and there I don't think you have to get that.
00:14:24.000 What about funding for Planned Parenthood?
00:14:26.000 Would you shut down?
00:14:27.000 Would you would you hold a government funding bill if the Planned Parenthood funding didn't come out?
00:14:32.000 Yeah, I actually would.
00:14:33.000 I mean, in my short history in Congress, we've seen a couple of shutdowns.
00:14:38.000 Why are Republicans so scared of them?
00:14:41.000 It seems like Republicans are worried that, oh, any shutdown, you know, we're going to take the blame.
00:14:46.000 And and frankly, I think we've had some shutdowns in the past where we haven't explained our basis well to people.
00:14:52.000 But there seems to be a Republican fear about using government shutdowns as leverage.
00:14:58.000 It seems as though you would you would use the threat of that shutdown to advance these promises that we seem to make to our voters year after year.
00:15:07.000 But I don't think that's the only thing, Matt.
00:15:10.000 I think we lack a strategy.
00:15:13.000 You know, there's there's there's ways of getting things done.
00:15:16.000 And you set something up by putting one bill to tee it off and then you bring something else behind it.
00:15:25.000 And what I've seen here is people are timid to actually step out.
00:15:30.000 And we need people that are going to say, OK, we do this first.
00:15:34.000 We do this.
00:15:35.000 Da da da da da.
00:15:36.000 You build that trust.
00:15:37.000 Ask the people.
00:15:39.000 OK, and you've heard me speak.
00:15:41.000 You know, what if you were going to be speaker on a moment's notice?
00:15:44.000 What would you do?
00:15:45.000 You've got to know those things.
00:15:47.000 You know, would you would you already have it prearranged for your committee's assignments?
00:15:51.000 And what are those committees going to take up?
00:15:53.000 You know, it's like a business person.
00:15:55.000 And President Trump did this so well.
00:15:59.000 What is the issue?
00:16:00.000 How are we going to solve it?
00:16:02.000 What's the process?
00:16:03.000 What's the strategy?
00:16:04.000 And what's the time frame?
00:16:05.000 When are we going to get it done?
00:16:06.000 That's what's missing in here in Washington, D.C.
00:16:09.000 When are you going to get it done?
00:16:12.000 And we got to play the playbook back at the Democrats, at the Marxists like they've done
00:16:18.000 to us.
00:16:19.000 And you can't be shy.
00:16:22.000 You got to have a thick skin.
00:16:24.000 And look, for five years, President Trump took every heckle, every blade, every nuance
00:16:32.000 they could send his way.
00:16:35.000 And look how much he accomplished.
00:16:39.000 That's leadership.
00:16:41.000 That's what we need to get back to, is be daring, bold.
00:16:45.000 Go bold or go home.
00:16:47.000 Do you think that attitude is why they target you so much?
00:16:50.000 They do.
00:16:51.000 I mean, there was articles written and there was a hit piece by MSNBC that called me the
00:16:57.000 most dangerous congressman on the hill.
00:17:00.000 I hope you have it framed in your office.
00:17:01.000 I do.
00:17:02.000 I do.
00:17:03.000 You can't make a better one on this up.
00:17:04.000 And their comment was, this guy talks only when he wants to.
00:17:08.000 But he's a doer.
00:17:09.000 He gets things done.
00:17:11.000 And that's the business part of me.
00:17:13.000 I'm a dentist by profession.
00:17:15.000 I don't run away from it.
00:17:17.000 I run to it.
00:17:18.000 One of my things I like doing is talking to people.
00:17:21.000 Is what hurts?
00:17:22.000 How can I help you?
00:17:24.000 And I found that this is done very well for me is because the people on Main Street have
00:17:29.000 to live with these and they know what the problem is.
00:17:32.000 That sounds so reasonable, Paul.
00:17:34.000 And yet you and I and several of the folks who kind of work with us to try to get things
00:17:39.000 done seem to get more than our fair share of interest from the national media and from
00:17:46.000 the mainstream outlets that I think are America last in a lot of their perspective.
00:17:50.000 Some people are targeted because they're in swing districts.
00:17:53.000 Some people are targeted because they're real outspoken.
00:17:56.000 But you seem to be targeted because you're able to do things that advance the agenda and
00:18:03.000 they haven't quite figured out how to stop you yet.
00:18:05.000 Now, the latest attempt has been to remove you from the Oversight Committee and from the
00:18:10.000 Natural Resources Committee.
00:18:12.000 Walk me through how you see your role in the Congress in the coming months.
00:18:17.000 So now what they did is they took my, as you said, took my committees away.
00:18:20.000 So now I actually I sit on all committees.
00:18:23.000 It's how you look at it.
00:18:24.000 You know, so you're going to hurt me.
00:18:26.000 I like being busy.
00:18:27.000 So I'm going to be on the floor.
00:18:28.000 I'm going to be in the committees that I want to be on on the issues that are pertinent.
00:18:32.000 And that kind of sounds like someone we know, doesn't it?
00:18:35.000 Yes.
00:18:36.000 Doesn't that sound like Marjorie Taylor Greene? 1.00
00:18:37.000 It does.
00:18:38.000 It does.
00:18:39.000 Are we building a new model here for members that really audit the body more than serve
00:18:45.000 one particular interest or group or policy area on committees?
00:18:49.000 It is.
00:18:50.000 And what's so magic about this, Matt, is is that the committee structure is broken.
00:18:54.000 Uh huh.
00:18:55.000 Committee staff runs it.
00:18:56.000 It's not the members.
00:18:57.000 And what most people don't realize is it's the special interests and lobbyists who lobby
00:19:02.000 the committees who then turn around and tell the leadership which members they want on
00:19:06.000 those committees.
00:19:07.000 Yeah.
00:19:08.000 So it's not really a fair fight with the lobby corps against the rest of America because
00:19:12.000 the lobby corps has picked the referee.
00:19:14.000 That you're exactly right.
00:19:15.000 So why play by their rules?
00:19:17.000 Establish our own rules.
00:19:20.000 You know, and what I like about you and Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, you know, Jody
00:19:26.000 Heiss, Andy Biggs, is we're all asking, why do you do that?
00:19:31.000 Uh huh.
00:19:32.000 You know, and I like the fact that we question.
00:19:36.000 And how does this get us back to what?
00:19:39.000 You know, sound policy?
00:19:40.000 You know, it's like the idea that we've talked about with the NDA, this recent NDA,
00:19:44.000 we should have held it up.
00:19:45.000 We had the perfect storm.
00:19:47.000 We had the perfect storm.
00:19:48.000 We've had military generals who made millions off the Iraqi Afghanistan war.
00:19:53.000 The industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about.
00:19:57.000 We saw the leaving of 80 some billion dollars worth of our equipment behind.
00:20:04.000 We saw a hurried.
00:20:06.000 Which is a totally incompetent withdrawal. 0.97
00:20:09.000 Totally, totally incompetent.
00:20:11.000 And then we see supersonic expertises in China and Russia and we don't have it.
00:20:16.000 Something's wrong with this picture.
00:20:18.000 We should have shut that thing down and said, wait a minute.
00:20:21.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:20:22.000 We need light on all this.
00:20:24.000 Where's the money going?
00:20:26.000 Is it sole sourcing, you know, to one of the big conglomerates that now has gobbled all up the competition?
00:20:33.000 Yeah, the big defense contractors.
00:20:35.000 What is it?
00:20:36.000 And why are we demanding that our military men and women be forced to take a mandated vaccine?
00:20:43.000 Well, one of the reasons is because Republicans on the Armed Services Committee in leadership publicly acknowledge they support vaccine mandates.
00:20:51.000 Matter of fact, the leading Republican on the Armed Services Committee, who's probably right about a lot of things, led the debate against me when I offered amendments to try to protect our service members.
00:21:01.000 So even within the Republican conference, I think we have a real divergence of opinion on issues that are pretty central to how our own voters and constituents think about us.
00:21:14.000 You know, you talk a lot about the leadership style of President Trump.
00:21:18.000 I know he's a great influence on you, me as well.
00:21:20.000 But it seems as though he led not just a campaign or even a political movement, but a realignment where more of those voters who wear their name on their shirt and take a shower after work every day are joining a conservative political course of action.
00:21:38.000 Whereas a lot more of the elites and the woke corporations are trending bluer.
00:21:45.000 What do you think that means for our politics?
00:21:48.000 It comes down to victimization and empowerment.
00:21:51.000 People in America want to be empowered.
00:21:54.000 They don't want to be victims.
00:21:56.000 And they want to be listened to.
00:21:59.000 And when you ask a question of somebody, you're empowering them.
00:22:02.000 So when Nancy Pelosi took your committee assignments, did she victimize you or empower you? 0.92
00:22:07.000 She empowered me.
00:22:08.000 Because now you get the wide angle lens.
00:22:11.000 She's not limiting.
00:22:12.000 She's actually expanding my horizons.
00:22:14.000 People don't get that.
00:22:16.000 See, I think that they think they got you, but really they unchained you.
00:22:20.000 Part of Washington tries to silo people and to keep them busy and to keep folks away from the real fight.
00:22:27.000 And now you get to define what the real fight is on behalf of your constituents.
00:22:32.000 That's right.
00:22:33.000 And I do think that this trend that Marjorie Taylor Greene has endured, that you are now enduring, could be one that continues.
00:22:39.000 When we take the majority, will our leadership have the guts to throw some of their members off committees?
00:22:45.000 They'll have to deal with this dog if they don't.
00:22:50.000 What will you do?
00:22:52.000 It can make things pretty miserable.
00:22:54.000 You know, from that standpoint, you always look at trying to give somebody a way out.
00:23:00.000 But to do the right thing to get out.
00:23:03.000 That seems gracious.
00:23:04.000 That seems like a normal human extension of grace.
00:23:07.000 You would think.
00:23:08.000 And then you reward good behavior over and over again, saying, attaboy, attaboy, attaboy.
00:23:13.000 See what that did?
00:23:14.000 It didn't hurt.
00:23:15.000 You did something different.
00:23:16.000 You know, Einstein always made the comment.
00:23:18.000 He said, we don't have to think more.
00:23:19.000 We just have to think differently.
00:23:21.000 And that's why people like you and Marjorie Taylor Greene, myself, were hated because we don't think like a bunch of lemmings.
00:23:30.000 We think there's a different way to get from A to Z.
00:23:34.000 And it doesn't mean that you have to go through all the little pomp and circumstance.
00:23:38.000 You know, roll up your sleeves, get down and dirty and simplify it.
00:23:42.000 Keep it simple.
00:23:43.000 I guess that good old kiss theory. 1.00
00:23:45.000 Keep it simple stupid. 1.00
00:23:46.000 You have endorsed candidates around the country that share policy goals that you have. 1.00
00:23:52.000 Do you think that not being on committees and being able to survey the body at large and engage the body at large
00:23:58.000 will give you a greater opportunity to influence the membership of the body?
00:24:02.000 It does.
00:24:03.000 Because the other thing we do, Matt, is we explore different ways of communication.
00:24:08.000 You can say that again, Paul.
00:24:11.000 Absolutely.
00:24:12.000 But, you know, from my standpoint, we noticed that people got a lot more out of a video or a picture than a written piece.
00:24:21.000 And so we've been trying to engage people differently, you know, to get them to look back at the issue and say, never thought about that.
00:24:29.000 I would have never thought that was an immigration piece.
00:24:32.000 When did you know that this piece that you'd put together that really was making a border immigration argument,
00:24:38.000 when did you know that it was going to be something different?
00:24:41.000 You know, the hits, the hits came flying at it.
00:24:46.000 You know, we had three million hits in less than 24 hours.
00:24:49.000 And we've done other things.
00:24:50.000 You know, we did an acronics with Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.
00:24:53.000 They got over 33 million hits.
00:24:55.000 And then we had Katie Hill to jump in. 1.00
00:24:56.000 So you think that if this anime video that distracted the House totally unnecessarily for an extended period of time,
00:25:03.000 that if it wasn't so successful in its reach, that it would not have drawn the ire of Democrats?
00:25:08.000 It wouldn't have.
00:25:09.000 What I've noticed is the Democrats start squealing and screaming.
00:25:13.000 And I can tell your audience, I've got seven siblings that are Marxist.
00:25:18.000 And when they start squealing and crying, I know I'm over the bombing sites.
00:25:22.000 Just stay there and keep on going.
00:25:24.000 Yeah, I recall they made a few videos disagreeing with some of your politics on health care and other things.
00:25:31.000 Paul Gosar, the congressman, isn't doing anything to help rural America.
00:25:36.000 Paul's absolutely not working for his district.
00:25:39.000 If they care about health care, they care about their children's health care, they would hold him to account.
00:25:45.000 If they care about jobs, they would hold him to account.
00:25:49.000 If he actually cared about people in rural Arizona, I bet he'd be fighting for social security, for better access to health care.
00:25:58.000 I bet he would be researching what is the most insightful water policy to help the environment of Arizona sustain itself and be successful.
00:26:09.000 And he's not listening to you, and he doesn't have your interests at heart.
00:26:13.000 My name is Tim Gosar.
00:26:14.000 David Gosar.
00:26:15.000 Grace Gosar.
00:26:16.000 Joan Gosar.
00:26:17.000 Gaston Gosar.
00:26:18.000 Jennifer Gosar.
00:26:19.000 Paul Gosar is my brother.
00:26:20.000 My brother.
00:26:21.000 And I endorse Dr. Brill.
00:26:22.000 Dr. Brill wholeheartedly endorse Dr. David Brill for Congress.
00:26:27.000 I'm Dr. David Brill, and I approve this message.
00:26:30.000 But that didn't seem to phase you, and it also didn't seem to phase your voters.
00:26:34.000 No, no, you know, and that's what's great about it.
00:26:37.000 When you engage with people, when you empower people, they're there to support you.
00:26:41.000 They may not agree with everything that you stand for, but the fact that you listen to them, empower them, and have them part of the solution, that is ominous.
00:26:49.000 And I'll give you another way of turning this around.
00:26:53.000 You know, when you build trust with your constituents, when big magazines or newspapers like the Arizona Republic, I call them the repugnant, do big pieces, why is it that I become more popular?
00:27:06.000 They don't get it.
00:27:08.000 It's trust is a series of promises kept.
00:27:10.000 So when they made their allegations at me earlier, I went to people and explained teaching moments, those teaching moments that you can't recapture.
00:27:19.000 Take the time.
00:27:20.000 Explain.
00:27:21.000 Let them ask the questions.
00:27:22.000 Dialogue with them.
00:27:23.000 Be open policy.
00:27:25.000 What do we got to lose?
00:27:26.000 A republic if we don't.
00:27:28.000 No, it is a way for, I think, us to impact this town in a positive way.
00:27:35.000 Because right now, we see the sludge, the slime, the swamp, the sewer, as you would call it.
00:27:41.000 We see the way that that sells out the folks that are counting on us to deliver on our promise to fight for them.
00:27:47.000 And I think all over this country right now, you've got people who feel like they are under attack.
00:27:52.000 Yeah.
00:27:53.000 From corporations that are out to get them, from government institutions that seek more and more control over their lives.
00:27:59.000 And you know what?
00:28:00.000 It's choose your fighter time.
00:28:02.000 And I think a lot of folks in Arizona and really throughout the country appreciate the fact that even if it's going to draw a special degree of animus, you're going to be in that fight for them.
00:28:13.000 In the coming Congress, you know, you put the challenge on your colleagues.
00:28:18.000 If you were speaker tomorrow, would you be ready?
00:28:21.000 What would a Paul Gosar speaker agenda look like, you know, in the first several hours or days?
00:28:28.000 Well, first of all, I would make sure that the committee staff has done answers to the members.
00:28:36.000 And I would love to see the members actually elect their chairperson.
00:28:40.000 You know, and that would be a novel concept because, you know, chairpeople actually serve at the whims of the members, not the other way around.
00:28:49.000 And the speaker should be the same way.
00:28:52.000 You know, it's when you look at history.
00:28:54.000 So who should be speaker?
00:28:55.000 If we if I'll ask, I'll put you on the spot.
00:28:58.000 Who should be speaker if we take the majority?
00:29:01.000 The person that can empower the members to be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
00:29:11.000 As leader McCarthy said, if he were to become speaker, not only would he put you back on committees, he might put you on better committees.
00:29:18.000 Are there other committees that you think are better than natural resources and oversight?
00:29:22.000 Well, you know, you seem to love those.
00:29:23.000 You seem to love that.
00:29:24.000 Well, you know, when I first got here, Matt, I wanted to get on energy and commerce and that wasn't going to happen.
00:29:30.000 So I got an oversight and explain to people why would why would someone like you not get on energy and commerce?
00:29:35.000 You just described your leadership style.
00:29:37.000 Have a vision.
00:29:38.000 Be open minded.
00:29:39.000 Listen to people.
00:29:40.000 Why would that not be something that would be welcome on the energy and commerce?
00:29:43.000 Well, it should be.
00:29:44.000 But you don't pay your you don't pay your respect.
00:29:47.000 And I'm not one of those people that bow and kiss the ring.
00:29:49.000 So what you're saying is that the cost of buying a seat on energy and commerce is something that precludes some members from participation.
00:29:58.000 It's about a million dollars that goes to the to the team.
00:30:02.000 But, you know, that.
00:30:04.000 So there's one group of committees that, you know, the highest echelon.
00:30:08.000 And by the way, why?
00:30:09.000 Why is it a million bucks to get on there?
00:30:11.000 Because that's where you can go raise the money from the lobbyists.
00:30:13.000 Right.
00:30:14.000 Right. So you're expected to pay tribute, then go and get the money from the lobbyists and then sit in meetings like you and I sat in with Lauren Boebert where they tell you to stop talking about election integrity.
00:30:25.000 And your money that you went and raised into your campaign or got through lobbyists is what is what is funding that manipulation.
00:30:32.000 Do I have that about right?
00:30:33.000 I think you have that about right.
00:30:34.000 I think you have that about right.
00:30:35.000 Right.
00:30:36.000 But my people back home look at oversight as an a committee.
00:30:40.000 Totally.
00:30:41.000 And natural resources is an a committee.
00:30:44.000 You know, you look at, you know, the five C's of Arizona.
00:30:47.000 One of them is copper and it means mining.
00:30:50.000 So all these new things that are coming about electric cars, wind turbines, solar cells, batteries, all those come from rare earths and critical minerals that come from Arizona.
00:31:02.000 Well, we're blessed with it.
00:31:04.000 And we're very blessed with it.
00:31:06.000 We're blessed.
00:31:07.000 What you're saying is very not very strange in Washington, that the issues that are most important to your constituents matter more than the committees that give you the greatest leverage to raise money from lobbyists.
00:31:16.000 Exactly right.
00:31:17.000 You know what?
00:31:18.000 That might just be one of the reasons they seem to go after my good friend Paul Gosar.
00:31:21.000 Well, Paul, thank you for joining me on Firebrand.
00:31:23.000 Thank you for all your due.
00:31:25.000 I my prediction is that the Democrats are going to be begging to put you back on committees after you're watching out after all the committees watching out for all of your constituents.
00:31:34.000 And I would say watching out for all Americans. 1.00
00:31:37.000 Thanks for appreciate it.
00:31:38.000 The House Judiciary Committee is a place where we ought to have stimulating discussions about administrative procedures, the role of the bureaucracy, the constitutional rights of our citizens that we must vindicate through our action.
00:31:54.000 But instead, House Democrats brought in Ms. Patterson to talk about the way in which race overlays how we think about the regulatory dynamic in America. 0.60
00:32:07.000 Her prior statements were ridiculous, as I pointed out here.
00:32:11.000 Ms. Patterson, in Chairman Cicilline's introduction of you, he referenced your master's in public health. 0.69
00:32:18.000 And so I want to ask a question about public health.
00:32:21.000 Is there a different chemical composition for vaccines in white neighborhoods as opposed to non-white neighborhoods?
00:32:32.000 Yes, so my master's in public health does not mean that I have in any way had any access to be able to examine the different compositions.
00:32:40.000 The different compositions of different vaccines that are provided in different neighborhoods.
00:32:44.000 So do you have any basis to believe that that the vaccines being administered in white neighborhoods versus non-white neighborhoods are different?
00:32:53.000 I don't have any basis to even begin to evaluate that that question, because, again, I don't have access to the data samples or anything like that.
00:33:03.000 What about the batching process? Is there is there something called a white batch of vaccines as opposed to a batch of vaccines that would be intended for non-white people?
00:33:13.000 Not that I've heard of.
00:33:15.000 Not that you've heard of. It's interesting. I found a tweet of yours from December 3rd, almost a year ago today, 2020, where you tweeted my COVID-19 vaccination plan, colon, go to the whitest neighborhood I can find to make sure my dose comes from a white batch. 0.55
00:33:33.000 How should we think about that tweet?
00:33:36.000 As the humor that it was intended, albeit kind of a dark humor in terms of the reality of the Tuskegee experiments and so forth in our community.
00:33:48.000 And so there was a whole string of commentary that we had following from that about how it was a shame that that we even have to think in these types of terms.
00:33:59.000 So that's where it would seemingly be more of a shame if we thought in these terms without a basis.
00:34:04.000 And I understand people, you know, put things on Twitter sometimes that are jokes.
00:34:08.000 And I noted in response to your tweet, an account called urban dashboard replied, you have a great sense of humor, but too painful to laugh at that joke.
00:34:18.000 And then you replied, I know it's all too painful all day, every day.
00:34:23.000 And as I said, I was barely joking because it's real exclamation point.
00:34:30.000 Yes, yes, the situation is real.
00:34:32.000 So is it real that there's different, because you talked about a white, are white batches real? 0.70
00:34:37.000 As I said before, that the reference was putting in context this larger conversation about the differential access to affordable and quality healthcare in our community.
00:34:53.000 So it shouldn't be taken literally.
00:34:55.000 Oh, it shouldn't be taken literally.
00:34:57.000 OK, well, I guess my question is, you know, you gave testimony today about your concern over the monopolistic sharing of information about the criticality of the input of public interest groups about how we have to stop the politicization of agency decisions.
00:35:12.000 Do you think it damages public health and do you think it damages the credibility of public interest groups like yours when you put out that your personal vaccination plan is to go to the whitest neighborhood so that you can ensure that your dose comes from the whitest batch? 0.78
00:35:27.000 Absolutely not.
00:35:28.000 You don't think that's dangerous?
00:35:29.000 Absolutely not.
00:35:30.000 You don't think that's dangerous?
00:35:31.000 Is that misinformation?
00:35:32.000 Absolutely not.
00:35:33.000 So how do I know if a batch is a white batch?
00:35:35.000 If I wanted to follow your vaccination plan and I wanted one from the white batch too, where would I go? 1.00
00:35:44.000 Again, you're being facetious and I've already responded to the question.
00:35:51.000 And so I'm not going to respond to it again because there's not new information to provide.
00:35:57.000 Do you think that being facetious about race based vaccination issues is dangerous because we have seen data that there are communities of color that are more skeptical of vaccines?
00:36:09.000 And do you think that facetious comments like this are helpful?
00:36:15.000 So I think that they're important to raise a dialogue about why it is that the people are more skeptical.
00:36:21.000 I think it's important to raise the dialogue about how we can.
00:36:24.000 I only have a few moments left.
00:36:25.000 Oh, you're interrupting me.
00:36:26.000 Yeah, I'm interrupting because I only have a few moments left.
00:36:28.000 No, you're asking me a question.
00:36:29.000 What's the most important part of the dialogue to understand from a white batch? 1.00
00:36:34.000 I think it's not really a legitimate seeking of information when you're breaking in when I'm actually responding to the question.
00:36:40.000 It's always legitimate to ask witnesses before the committee about their own statements.
00:36:44.000 But it's not legitimate to interrupt when somebody's trying to answer the question.
00:36:48.000 Do you regret this tweet?
00:36:49.000 Since it seems to be causing some consternation, do you regret having sent it?
00:36:53.000 No, because it's causing consternation with you.
00:36:57.000 It caused an interesting and important dialogue that is not one that I'm the only one having.
00:37:03.000 That number of us are having.
00:37:04.000 I think that sometimes that dialogue can metastasize into disinformation and can actually harm the people that you say you're here to help.
00:37:12.000 No, it actually acknowledges.
00:37:14.000 That was the House Judiciary Committee.
00:37:16.000 Be better, Chairman Nadler.
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