Rep. Paul Gosar is the first Republican to be censured by the House of Representatives since Alexander Hamilton and the first conservative to be removed from oversight of the committee. Rep. Gosar talks about his censure and why he thinks it s a good thing.
00:00:52.000Are there different batches of vaccines in white neighborhoods for white people?
00:01:00.000You'll be surprised what one of the expert witnesses
00:01:03.000House Democrats brought to the Judiciary Committee has to say about that subject
00:01:07.000following our interview with Dr. Paul Gosar.
00:01:11.000Now, Paul Gosar is an America First congressman.
00:01:14.000He is also the first member of Congress to be sanctioned and censured by the body since Alexander Hamilton.
00:01:22.000Now, when Democrats needed something to unify an otherwise splintered caucus leading up to the massive spending legislation they were pushing,
00:01:31.000they actually used the Gosar censure to try to create unity.
00:01:36.000unity on their side. I thought it was pretty clownish. Here's what I had to say.
00:01:41.000I am no expert on Japanese anime, but I am told and I do believe that it is not real.
00:01:50.000What is real is the crisis on our border, the inflation crushing American families, unvetted Afghans in our country.
00:01:59.000And what is definitely real is the violence that burned our cities and harmed our businesses in the summer of 2020,
00:02:07.000often encouraged by Democrats in Congress.
00:02:10.000And anime is fiction to the point of the absurd.
00:02:15.000It's not really my thing and it does glorify violence, but often to symbolize conflict, not realistic harm to another person.
00:02:25.000In the last session week we had, we reviewed Steve Bannon's podcast.
00:02:31.000Today, we're critiquing Paul Gosar's anime.
00:02:35.000Next week, we might be indicting the Wile E. Coyote for an explosive ordinance against the Roadrunner.
00:02:43.000If you don't like Paul Gosar's tweets, tweet back at him.
00:02:46.000We know there are plenty of folks in big tech who will amplify your message.
00:02:50.000But the gentlelady from Pennsylvania gave the game away.
00:05:33.000I represented over 85 percent of Arizona at one time or another.
00:05:37.000So lots of small places, lots of small businesses.
00:05:41.000They believe that if they don't have a true election and that they can trust their ballot getting to the person they vote for, that the republic cannot stand.
00:05:51.000So it is paramount, the number one issue, Matt.
00:06:04.000And I think, more importantly, that people would lose trust in the last people that they think they have fighting for their right and their republic.
00:06:13.000Do you think it's fair to say then that discussing the Biden failures are necessary but not sufficient?
00:06:21.000And what is absolutely critical is continuing to pursue legal changes, strategy changes, tactical changes, changes in state statute, changes in personnel in order to ensure that when people cast their precious vote that they feel it is valued.
00:07:03.000You know, those are very important to people.
00:07:06.000And we have very little time to do it.
00:07:09.000And what is your expectation of that timeframe?
00:07:12.000Well, my expectation has been delayed because of the executive branch in Arizona, the governor.
00:07:18.000He should be calling a special session so that we can look at some of the things that the audit, the forensic audit brought out, that some of the things that the attorney general is now looking at that they weren't able to look at from the audit standpoint and making sure that we're correcting those things before 2022.
00:07:36.000So do you believe that Governor Ducey, the Republican governor of Arizona, has done enough to advance the cause of election integrity?
00:07:53.000Now what's happening, we're all watching because he now controls the whole issue.
00:07:58.000It's been referred for criminal intent in regards to what happened with the election.
00:08:03.000He gets access to the routers, which they never got a chance to get to because of the way that more supervisors challenged the state Senate.
00:10:01.000I mean, we we did not keep promises on repealing Obamacare.
00:10:05.000No, you know, we and so we lost the majority, I think, in large part because we didn't keep that promise.
00:10:10.000You know, you are representing a border state.
00:10:13.000You lead on a lot of immigration issues in the Congress.
00:10:16.000Is there a more important promise to keep from a policy standpoint than sealing that border and deporting people who are here illegally there?
00:10:25.000There, you know, it gets back to the rule of law.
00:10:28.000You know, inviting or allowing people to come in uninvited, defying our rule of law as our first act of coming in the United States is defiance to the whole matrix of the Republic.
00:13:10.000I worry that we could win the majority.
00:13:13.000Joe Biden could be president and we could have a docile, you know, compromising leadership willing to cut deals and just allow Joe Biden to go about his merry way.
00:13:24.000Whereas my perspective is that we need tough, effective, fair, but rigorous and dogged oversight that dog with a bone on a lot of these different things that the Biden administration is doing.
00:13:38.000One of the points of leverage that people talk about is the utilization of shutdowns.
00:14:33.000I mean, in my short history in Congress, we've seen a couple of shutdowns.
00:14:38.000Why are Republicans so scared of them?
00:14:41.000It seems like Republicans are worried that, oh, any shutdown, you know, we're going to take the blame.
00:14:46.000And and frankly, I think we've had some shutdowns in the past where we haven't explained our basis well to people.
00:14:52.000But there seems to be a Republican fear about using government shutdowns as leverage.
00:14:58.000It seems as though you would you would use the threat of that shutdown to advance these promises that we seem to make to our voters year after year.
00:15:07.000But I don't think that's the only thing, Matt.
00:20:36.000And why are we demanding that our military men and women be forced to take a mandated vaccine?
00:20:43.000Well, one of the reasons is because Republicans on the Armed Services Committee in leadership publicly acknowledge they support vaccine mandates.
00:20:51.000Matter of fact, the leading Republican on the Armed Services Committee, who's probably right about a lot of things, led the debate against me when I offered amendments to try to protect our service members.
00:21:01.000So even within the Republican conference, I think we have a real divergence of opinion on issues that are pretty central to how our own voters and constituents think about us.
00:21:14.000You know, you talk a lot about the leadership style of President Trump.
00:21:18.000I know he's a great influence on you, me as well.
00:21:20.000But it seems as though he led not just a campaign or even a political movement, but a realignment where more of those voters who wear their name on their shirt and take a shower after work every day are joining a conservative political course of action.
00:21:38.000Whereas a lot more of the elites and the woke corporations are trending bluer.
00:21:45.000What do you think that means for our politics?
00:21:48.000It comes down to victimization and empowerment.
00:21:51.000People in America want to be empowered.
00:25:24.000Yeah, I recall they made a few videos disagreeing with some of your politics on health care and other things.
00:25:31.000Paul Gosar, the congressman, isn't doing anything to help rural America.
00:25:36.000Paul's absolutely not working for his district.
00:25:39.000If they care about health care, they care about their children's health care, they would hold him to account.
00:25:45.000If they care about jobs, they would hold him to account.
00:25:49.000If he actually cared about people in rural Arizona, I bet he'd be fighting for social security, for better access to health care.
00:25:58.000I bet he would be researching what is the most insightful water policy to help the environment of Arizona sustain itself and be successful.
00:26:09.000And he's not listening to you, and he doesn't have your interests at heart.
00:26:22.000Dr. Brill wholeheartedly endorse Dr. David Brill for Congress.
00:26:27.000I'm Dr. David Brill, and I approve this message.
00:26:30.000But that didn't seem to phase you, and it also didn't seem to phase your voters.
00:26:34.000No, no, you know, and that's what's great about it.
00:26:37.000When you engage with people, when you empower people, they're there to support you.
00:26:41.000They may not agree with everything that you stand for, but the fact that you listen to them, empower them, and have them part of the solution, that is ominous.
00:26:49.000And I'll give you another way of turning this around.
00:26:53.000You know, when you build trust with your constituents, when big magazines or newspapers like the Arizona Republic, I call them the repugnant, do big pieces, why is it that I become more popular?
00:27:08.000It's trust is a series of promises kept.
00:27:10.000So when they made their allegations at me earlier, I went to people and explained teaching moments, those teaching moments that you can't recapture.
00:28:02.000And I think a lot of folks in Arizona and really throughout the country appreciate the fact that even if it's going to draw a special degree of animus, you're going to be in that fight for them.
00:28:13.000In the coming Congress, you know, you put the challenge on your colleagues.
00:28:18.000If you were speaker tomorrow, would you be ready?
00:28:21.000What would a Paul Gosar speaker agenda look like, you know, in the first several hours or days?
00:28:28.000Well, first of all, I would make sure that the committee staff has done answers to the members.
00:28:36.000And I would love to see the members actually elect their chairperson.
00:28:40.000You know, and that would be a novel concept because, you know, chairpeople actually serve at the whims of the members, not the other way around.
00:28:49.000And the speaker should be the same way.
00:28:52.000You know, it's when you look at history.
00:28:55.000If we if I'll ask, I'll put you on the spot.
00:28:58.000Who should be speaker if we take the majority?
00:29:01.000The person that can empower the members to be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
00:29:11.000As leader McCarthy said, if he were to become speaker, not only would he put you back on committees, he might put you on better committees.
00:29:18.000Are there other committees that you think are better than natural resources and oversight?
00:29:22.000Well, you know, you seem to love those.
00:29:44.000But you don't pay your you don't pay your respect.
00:29:47.000And I'm not one of those people that bow and kiss the ring.
00:29:49.000So what you're saying is that the cost of buying a seat on energy and commerce is something that precludes some members from participation.
00:29:58.000It's about a million dollars that goes to the to the team.
00:30:14.000Right. So you're expected to pay tribute, then go and get the money from the lobbyists and then sit in meetings like you and I sat in with Lauren Boebert where they tell you to stop talking about election integrity.
00:30:25.000And your money that you went and raised into your campaign or got through lobbyists is what is what is funding that manipulation.
00:30:41.000And natural resources is an a committee.
00:30:44.000You know, you look at, you know, the five C's of Arizona.
00:30:47.000One of them is copper and it means mining.
00:30:50.000So all these new things that are coming about electric cars, wind turbines, solar cells, batteries, all those come from rare earths and critical minerals that come from Arizona.
00:31:07.000What you're saying is very not very strange in Washington, that the issues that are most important to your constituents matter more than the committees that give you the greatest leverage to raise money from lobbyists.
00:31:25.000I my prediction is that the Democrats are going to be begging to put you back on committees after you're watching out after all the committees watching out for all of your constituents.
00:31:34.000And I would say watching out for all Americans.
00:31:38.000The House Judiciary Committee is a place where we ought to have stimulating discussions about administrative procedures, the role of the bureaucracy, the constitutional rights of our citizens that we must vindicate through our action.
00:31:54.000But instead, House Democrats brought in Ms. Patterson to talk about the way in which race overlays how we think about the regulatory dynamic in America.
00:32:07.000Her prior statements were ridiculous, as I pointed out here.
00:32:11.000Ms. Patterson, in Chairman Cicilline's introduction of you, he referenced your master's in public health.
00:32:18.000And so I want to ask a question about public health.
00:32:21.000Is there a different chemical composition for vaccines in white neighborhoods as opposed to non-white neighborhoods?
00:32:32.000Yes, so my master's in public health does not mean that I have in any way had any access to be able to examine the different compositions.
00:32:40.000The different compositions of different vaccines that are provided in different neighborhoods.
00:32:44.000So do you have any basis to believe that that the vaccines being administered in white neighborhoods versus non-white neighborhoods are different?
00:32:53.000I don't have any basis to even begin to evaluate that that question, because, again, I don't have access to the data samples or anything like that.
00:33:03.000What about the batching process? Is there is there something called a white batch of vaccines as opposed to a batch of vaccines that would be intended for non-white people?
00:33:15.000Not that you've heard of. It's interesting. I found a tweet of yours from December 3rd, almost a year ago today, 2020, where you tweeted my COVID-19 vaccination plan, colon, go to the whitest neighborhood I can find to make sure my dose comes from a white batch.
00:33:36.000As the humor that it was intended, albeit kind of a dark humor in terms of the reality of the Tuskegee experiments and so forth in our community.
00:33:48.000And so there was a whole string of commentary that we had following from that about how it was a shame that that we even have to think in these types of terms.
00:33:59.000So that's where it would seemingly be more of a shame if we thought in these terms without a basis.
00:34:04.000And I understand people, you know, put things on Twitter sometimes that are jokes.
00:34:08.000And I noted in response to your tweet, an account called urban dashboard replied, you have a great sense of humor, but too painful to laugh at that joke.
00:34:18.000And then you replied, I know it's all too painful all day, every day.
00:34:23.000And as I said, I was barely joking because it's real exclamation point.
00:34:32.000So is it real that there's different, because you talked about a white, are white batches real?
00:34:37.000As I said before, that the reference was putting in context this larger conversation about the differential access to affordable and quality healthcare in our community.
00:34:57.000OK, well, I guess my question is, you know, you gave testimony today about your concern over the monopolistic sharing of information about the criticality of the input of public interest groups about how we have to stop the politicization of agency decisions.
00:35:12.000Do you think it damages public health and do you think it damages the credibility of public interest groups like yours when you put out that your personal vaccination plan is to go to the whitest neighborhood so that you can ensure that your dose comes from the whitest batch?
00:35:33.000So how do I know if a batch is a white batch?
00:35:35.000If I wanted to follow your vaccination plan and I wanted one from the white batch too, where would I go?
00:35:44.000Again, you're being facetious and I've already responded to the question.
00:35:51.000And so I'm not going to respond to it again because there's not new information to provide.
00:35:57.000Do you think that being facetious about race based vaccination issues is dangerous because we have seen data that there are communities of color that are more skeptical of vaccines?
00:36:09.000And do you think that facetious comments like this are helpful?
00:36:15.000So I think that they're important to raise a dialogue about why it is that the people are more skeptical.
00:36:21.000I think it's important to raise the dialogue about how we can.
00:37:04.000I think that sometimes that dialogue can metastasize into disinformation and can actually harm the people that you say you're here to help.