The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz


Episode 21： Fedsurrection (feat. Marjorie Taylor Greene & Darren Beattie) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz


Summary

On January 5th, a "Trump-hippie" van was stopped on the steps of the Department of Justice. On January 6th, Democrats seize the moment to seize the narrative and seize the story. But is it really a conspiracy?


Transcript

00:00:01.000 In battle, Congressman Matt Gaetz.
00:00:03.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress
00:00:06.000 who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington
00:00:09.000 on behalf of his constituents.
00:00:11.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem in the Democratic Party,
00:00:13.000 and he could cause a lot of hiccups in passing applause.
00:00:16.000 So we're gonna keep running those stories to get hurt again.
00:00:20.000 If you stand for the flag and kneel in prayer,
00:00:23.000 if you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground,
00:00:27.000 then welcome, my fellow patriots.
00:00:29.000 You are in the right place.
00:00:31.000 This is the movement for you.
00:00:33.000 You ever watch this guy on television?
00:00:35.000 It's like a machine, Matt Gaetz.
00:00:38.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.
00:00:41.000 Many days I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.
00:00:46.000 They aren't really coming for me.
00:00:48.000 They're coming for you.
00:00:50.000 I'm just in the way.
00:00:54.000 Welcome to season two of Firebrand.
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00:01:20.000 Now, it's January 6th, and we've got two of the Firebrand Nation's favorite guests
00:01:26.000 that we're going to be chatting with today.
00:01:28.000 First, Dr. Darren Beattie, and then, of course, the great Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:01:34.000 Now, on January 6th, Democrats are trying to seize the narrative and seize the day.
00:01:39.000 But know this.
00:01:40.000 The game you are watching is not the game being played.
00:01:45.000 This was far less an insurrection and likely far more a fedsurrection.
00:01:50.000 And the most in-depth reporting, the best investigative news you could possibly get on this subject,
00:01:56.000 you're going to find at revolver.news.
00:01:59.000 And I am here to announce that today, I took the body of reporting from Revolver News,
00:02:06.000 from Stuart Rhodes to Ray Epps to even those acting likely in concert with Ray Epps,
00:02:12.000 and I inserted those into the official congressional record.
00:02:17.000 So we're going to get the truth out there.
00:02:19.000 No better person to chat with than Dr. Darren Beattie, the austere publisher of Revolver News.
00:02:25.000 Thanks for joining me, Darren.
00:02:27.000 It's a delight to be here.
00:02:29.000 Thanks for having me.
00:02:30.000 So, Darren, we're going to talk about the 6th and how that day unfolded.
00:02:35.000 But you revealed in your most recent reporting on Revolver News something that happened on
00:02:40.000 January 5th that I don't think a lot of Americans really know about.
00:02:45.000 But it was this monumental event that unfolded literally almost on the steps of the Department
00:02:51.000 of Justice.
00:02:52.000 Explain to the audience.
00:02:54.000 Yes.
00:02:55.000 And there are several things on the 5th, but I believe you're referring to the so-called
00:03:01.000 Trump hippie van, colloquially referred to by researchers as the Trump hippie van.
00:03:07.000 And this was a van with stop the steal insignia and at least presenting as people who would
00:03:15.000 have an intention to go to the Trump rally the next day.
00:03:18.000 Well, on the 5th, this so-called Trump hippie van was stopped right outside of the Department
00:03:25.000 of Justice.
00:03:26.000 And the federal law enforcement authorities discovered there were explosives in this
00:03:32.000 van and firearms.
00:03:34.000 What did you find in there?
00:03:35.000 Do you know?
00:03:36.000 Sir, I can't comment on it.
00:03:37.000 Is there anyone who's authorized to comment?
00:03:40.000 Nope.
00:03:41.000 And they made a big deal out of it, as you would expect.
00:03:44.000 They, you know, processed everyone in the van.
00:03:47.000 They wanted to take DNA swabs, the whole works.
00:03:50.000 And what's remarkable, well, there's a couple of things that's remarkable about this.
00:03:55.000 One is that I would imagine most of your listeners who are generally very educated on these matters
00:04:02.000 have not even heard about this.
00:04:04.000 And what's strange about that is that the media would have seemed to have every incentive
00:04:08.000 in amplifying coverage of a story of, oh, look, another van of Trump supporters with
00:04:14.000 explosives right outside of the Department of Justice.
00:04:17.000 This is a huge deal.
00:04:18.000 This is the next 9-11.
00:04:20.000 Like, they would have far more justification blowing that up than, you know, the treatment
00:04:26.000 that they've given to the subsequent event of 1-6.
00:04:29.000 And so why is this thing buried in local media coverage and something that nobody's talking
00:04:34.000 about, nobody's covering?
00:04:36.000 That's an interesting story in its own right.
00:04:39.000 And we can speculate on that basis and say, hmm, if there was a threat of this magnitude right
00:04:46.000 outside of the Department of Justice, it makes it yet more difficult to account for the fact
00:04:52.000 that January 6th, the Capitol building and surrounding environment enjoyed uniquely poor security.
00:04:59.000 It wasn't just that they didn't have enhanced security, which would have been entirely called
00:05:03.000 for and justified and even expected given something like this and simply given that there would be
00:05:09.000 a big politically charged rally nearby.
00:05:12.000 But that it didn't even enjoy normal security on that day is something that is quite astonishing.
00:05:19.000 Well, and Darren, now, I've been to dozens of Trump rallies all over this country, and I have never seen a group called Hippies for Trump.
00:05:29.000 Yet all of a sudden on January 5th, they show up in this bus and we start to learn about one of the individuals who's on this bus.
00:05:39.000 We later kind of learn about him as black ski mask guy in your reporting.
00:05:45.000 But there's actually a little interview he does right there on the 5th.
00:05:50.000 Let's play that clip.
00:05:51.000 And then they tried to get us to take DNA swabs.
00:05:56.000 DNA swabs?
00:05:57.000 Yeah.
00:05:58.000 Let's see if our DNA matched the weapons that were found on the vehicle.
00:06:02.000 How many weapons?
00:06:04.000 I don't know.
00:06:06.000 How many weapons did they find?
00:06:09.000 I think one or two.
00:06:12.000 They were pretty quick at getting over there.
00:06:14.000 They were also hinting that there was a bomb on the bus.
00:06:16.000 You're absolutely right.
00:06:18.000 So the significance of this story goes far beyond the fact that there was this major terror scare, effectively, on the 5th, right outside the Department of Justice.
00:06:29.000 And even that couldn't justify normal levels of security on the next day when a major politically charged rally would occur within close proximity to the Capitol and other relevant buildings.
00:06:43.000 And then this, but this very interview, this very person who's on the hippies for Trump bus, who gives this interview, who is subjected to federal law enforcement questioning, then all of a sudden appears on the 6th.
00:06:58.000 What are we to think about the fact that this individual on the 6th seems to be animating violence on the 5th has an encounter with law enforcement and seemingly has faced no charge?
00:07:17.000 Well, this you're absolutely right to point this out.
00:07:20.000 And so in the latest bombshell revolver dot news investigative report, we cover a handful of characters who were at the peace monument near the peace monument at the very beginning.
00:07:35.000 Right, you know, well before Trump finished his speech, by the way, they were all hanging out in the same spot early in the day, and they all went on to play decisive roles in creating the conditions for the Trump rally to turn into a riot at the Capitol.
00:07:52.000 And they did that by removing barriers, cutting down fencing, effectively creating a booby trap so that the people coming over to the Capitol from the rally had no idea that they were technically trespassing on Capitol grounds because the barriers had been removed.
00:08:09.340 And then, of course, you had various provocateurs ginning them up, and we cover those people too.
00:08:15.020 And this individual black ski mask guy who was in the hippies for Trump van is one of those key individuals who just showed up very early on and was methodically, in a seemingly cool, detached, professional way, removing barriers and helping to create the conditions for this rally to become a riot.
00:08:36.340 And what's amazing about this individual is that we know that the feds know who he is because he was stopped in the van the previous day.
00:08:45.820 There's not even this plausible deniability excuse of, oh, they haven't found out who he is.
00:08:51.540 We know that they know who he is because he was stopped in the van literally the day before.
00:08:56.900 And what are the chances that this guy who has stopped in this bizarre hippies for Trump van with explosives and firearms right outside of the Department of Justice and let free then just happens to be one of the key individuals removing fencing to allow for the riot to occur on January 6th.
00:09:14.240 We know that they know who he is, and he's unindicted.
00:09:17.080 So there's an important element here of pattern recognition, Darren, where sometimes when there is a federal asset or a federal agent or someone who's acting in response to a federal handler, that there may be other people that are subjected to that type of control from the FBI or other federal law enforcement, and they don't necessarily know what each other are doing.
00:09:43.320 Now, we learned about this from your reporting from the sort of the phony Gretchen Whitmer, governor of Michigan, kidnapping plot that I think a lot of reporting has shown was animated by elements within the federal government.
00:09:57.880 But just talk about that dynamic where you can actually have multiple people acting in response to stimuli from federal law enforcement, and they might not even know that another person, part of the plot, is doing the very same thing.
00:10:12.240 Absolutely. And, you know, when you look at the history of these types of operations, federal infiltration operations, you know that the feds are very much like cockroaches.
00:10:23.240 There's never just one. There are multiple. And you see that in the incredible fed infiltration ratio of the Michigan plot, which, as I've talked about on your program and elsewhere,
00:10:34.940 has a remarkable fed infiltration percentage, 12 out of the 26 so-called plotters turned out to have been informants or federal agents proper.
00:10:48.260 And this was essentially a dry run for 1-6 in as much as it was the same plot and involved storming the Michigan state capitol and involved one of the three main militia groups imputed to 1-6, namely the three percenters.
00:11:02.260 And just as the cherry on top, the head of the Detroit field office who oversaw this Michigan fed infiltration operation was later promoted to D.C., where he went on to oversee the January 6 investigations.
00:11:15.260 Well, it is a false flag operation, in essence.
00:11:18.680 Right, precisely.
00:11:19.140 The hippies for Trump, Van, was a false flag. Ray Epps was a false flag. In a lot of ways, you know, Stuart Rhodes and his involvement raises many of these serious questions.
00:11:30.440 Precisely.
00:11:30.960 And what's brilliant in the revolver piece is you actually have some of the time-stamped video that shows how these people were all doing very distinct things.
00:11:41.340 And, you know, in your prior coverage of Ray Epps, you raised the question, well, how did this person come all the way from Arizona to Washington, D.C., presumably to hear Donald Trump speak?
00:11:52.260 But as Trump is speaking, you've actually got video of Ray Epps at the breach site.
00:11:58.560 Let's play that video and get your reaction.
00:12:00.960 So can we come up?
00:12:02.580 Yeah, you own that house. Go to that house.
00:12:04.880 Yeah, whose side are you on? Constitution or the government?
00:12:09.280 Because they're not the same thing.
00:12:11.240 Hey, a paycheck, yeah?
00:12:15.180 I'm not picking on them, but you know what?
00:12:17.000 You know what?
00:12:18.300 Noted.
00:12:19.340 All right, noted.
00:12:20.160 Okay, but one more thing.
00:12:20.900 Yeah, so can we go up there?
00:12:22.520 No?
00:12:23.040 When we go in, leave this year.
00:12:23.800 Are we going to get arrested when we go up there?
00:12:25.760 Yeah, we don't need to get shot.
00:12:27.140 Can you arrest us all?
00:12:28.140 And so now, Darren, react to just sort of the methodical nature of Ray Epps being there at the breach site and the significance of that geography.
00:12:37.620 Right.
00:12:38.800 Yeah, so this is the initial breach site.
00:12:41.680 This is the fateful and first breach event.
00:12:45.000 It occurred on 12.53 p.m., so well before Trump had finished his speech, which is important to note,
00:12:53.120 because the people who were there breaking down these barriers, cutting down the fencing,
00:12:58.300 they were doing, they weren't at the Trump speech because Trump was speaking as this was going on.
00:13:03.560 They were creating the conditions such that when the Trump people went to the Capitol,
00:13:08.860 that would be the area that they passed by and there would be no visible barriers or fencing
00:13:14.380 and they would go on restricted grounds that day.
00:13:17.740 Usually those grounds are not restricted.
00:13:19.620 On that day, they would be restricted and they'd be met with various provocateurs who would take it from there.
00:13:26.060 And the significance of Epps being right at that breach site, literally two seconds before the breach,
00:13:31.700 he whispers in someone's ear who goes and breaks down the metal barricades.
00:13:35.800 This needs to be understood in the context of Epps' activities for the previous 24 hours,
00:13:42.600 because the most famous video of Epps is on January 5th in the evening going to all types of different groups
00:13:51.000 stating explicitly we need to go into the Capitol tomorrow.
00:13:55.120 We need to go into the Capitol.
00:13:56.420 I'm going to put it out there.
00:13:57.840 I'm probably going to go to jail for it, okay?
00:13:59.820 Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol.
00:14:03.560 Into the Capitol.
00:14:09.340 Peacefully.
00:14:10.300 Fed.
00:14:12.060 Fed.
00:14:12.460 Fed.
00:14:13.140 Fed.
00:14:13.740 Fed.
00:14:14.280 Fed.
00:14:14.860 Fed.
00:14:15.200 The mountains of video documentary evidence on January 5th and 6th, this is the only guy
00:14:21.800 we have on tape, dead to rights, explicitly calling for this bizarre mission to go into
00:14:28.520 the Capitol.
00:14:29.320 And people treat it as bizarre.
00:14:31.040 They said, what are you talking about?
00:14:32.540 Going into the Capitol?
00:14:33.720 You must be a Fed.
00:14:34.580 What's going on?
00:14:35.360 But it turns out he wasn't just some random drunk guy who had a crazy idea and we never heard
00:14:40.400 from him.
00:14:40.800 He followed up on his stated mission on January 6th, a Where's Waldo figure everywhere around
00:14:47.220 the Capitol, reminding people, go into the Capitol.
00:14:50.200 After the rally, go to the Capitol.
00:14:52.220 That's where our problems are.
00:14:53.540 As soon as President Trump has finished speaking, we are going to the Capitol.
00:14:58.300 It's that direction.
00:14:59.560 That's where our true problems lie.
00:15:01.140 President Trump has done speaking, we are going to the Capitol.
00:15:05.040 That's where our problems are.
00:15:07.560 Okay, folks, we need your help.
00:15:09.460 As soon as President Trump stops speaking, we are going to the Capitol.
00:15:14.500 The Capitol is in that direction.
00:15:16.520 Let people know.
00:15:17.500 Spread the word.
00:15:19.560 And sure enough, right at the initial breach site, that fateful first breach event at 12.53
00:15:26.280 p.m., he's right there and whispers into someone's ear and two seconds later, we have
00:15:31.240 the very first and decisive breach.
00:15:33.320 So, and this guy, Ray Epps, he was originally, as I said, on the FBI's 20 most wanted list
00:15:40.620 for January 6th.
00:15:41.920 They claimed to be so interested in him when the internet identified who he was.
00:15:46.320 And the day after Revolver.News ran a report on his fellow oath keeper, Stuart Rhodes, the
00:15:54.420 FBI scrubbed his name and his face from their public database.
00:15:57.920 And since then, their only pronouncements regarding Ray Epps is to pretend like they don't know
00:16:03.680 who he is.
00:16:04.340 And this is the most sweeping investigation ever, right?
00:16:08.380 We've heard from senior officials at the Department of Justice and the FBI that they'll turn over
00:16:12.560 every stone.
00:16:13.740 They were ransacking the home of some boomers in Homer, Alaska.
00:16:18.920 But somehow, Ray Epps, who methodically is trying to get people into the Capitol, doesn't
00:16:24.000 seem to face those same tough questions.
00:16:26.140 But could Ray Epps' mission been accomplished alone?
00:16:29.780 I think your reporting suggests that it could not have.
00:16:32.760 It required people like Blaskey, Mass Guy.
00:16:35.680 And I want you to take a moment and talk about fence cutter.
00:16:38.820 Because right as you got Trump not even done with his speech yet, you have someone who seems
00:16:45.140 almost emotionally detached from the circumstances around them, removing the fencing so that future
00:16:51.720 people who would arrive at the Capitol would be unsuspecting of that having been a barrier.
00:16:57.160 What do we know about the fence cutter, Darren?
00:16:58.800 Exactly.
00:16:59.280 And look, so, I mean, people have different degrees of investment in this story, different
00:17:03.880 degrees of knowledge in this story.
00:17:05.240 I think one really powerful thing about this latest Revolver.News report is to a large degree,
00:17:11.100 the video evidence speaks for itself.
00:17:13.300 Like nobody can watch those videos and come to a basic, a common sense, objective conclusion
00:17:20.440 that there isn't something severely off here.
00:17:23.060 But of course, we need to put together the evidence into a story, a narrative of what
00:17:28.820 was actually taking place.
00:17:30.820 And as you suggest, there's no way Ray Epps was acting alone.
00:17:33.860 That's just not how the feds do things.
00:17:36.120 There are multiple people in place.
00:17:38.580 And one tell that applies to Epps and these other people is the contrast, the profound contrast
00:17:45.020 between the radical nature of what they're doing, demanding people go into the Capitol,
00:17:49.660 cutting down fencing and so forth.
00:17:52.340 And the emotional detachment, the cool, methodical, professional manner in which they conduct
00:17:58.720 themselves, it would be one thing for people to get caught up in the crowd psychology and
00:18:04.780 just go angry and crazy and just flail about and do something wild.
00:18:09.300 It's another to see that cool, detached, professional, methodical manner of operating.
00:18:15.100 You see that in Epps and you see that in this other guy who, again, he's not at the Trump
00:18:19.480 rally.
00:18:20.280 He's there at the Capitol cutting down fences methodically and removing the fences such that
00:18:26.320 when the Trump crowd gets there at the direction of Ray Epps and others like him, they're not
00:18:31.700 going to see any barriers and they're going to have no idea that they're technically committing
00:18:35.760 a criminal offense.
00:18:37.060 And then you have this other individual that I think is a Ray Epps-sized scandal in its own
00:18:41.500 right, scaffold commander, who's there with his bullhorn repeatedly and constantly saying,
00:18:48.000 move forward, move forward, please help, move forward.
00:18:51.500 Move forward, climb up over the wall, get into those bleachers.
00:18:57.100 Don't just stand there, move forward.
00:19:01.100 Move forward.
00:19:03.140 Help somebody over the wall.
00:19:05.500 Help somebody over the wall, move forward.
00:19:07.780 Just as the basic of crowd psychology, you get there with a crowd, you hear a repeated,
00:19:20.700 continuous, authoritative voice from a bullhorn saying, move forward, you move forward.
00:19:25.880 You don't know if something happened in the crowd and they need you to clear up space, you
00:19:30.200 obey.
00:19:30.580 And so it just, all of these pieces are in place to engineer this scenario where there
00:19:36.640 would be a riot, where people would be at the Capitol grounds and there would be ultimate
00:19:40.900 breach of the Capitol.
00:19:42.120 And when the Capitol building itself was breached, the same guy with the bullhorn is saying, we
00:19:46.720 need to fill up the Capitol.
00:19:48.080 Fill it up right now.
00:19:49.080 Come on.
00:19:49.540 We need more people.
00:19:50.560 Please help.
00:19:51.160 Fill up the Capitol.
00:19:52.280 Okay, we're in.
00:19:53.540 We're in.
00:19:54.180 Come on.
00:19:55.000 We've got to fill up the Capitol.
00:19:56.800 Come on.
00:19:58.040 Come on.
00:19:59.280 Come on.
00:19:59.880 We need help.
00:20:01.080 We're going to fill up the Capitol.
00:20:03.100 They got in.
00:20:04.320 Come on.
00:20:05.640 He's up on the top of the scaffold with his bullhorn.
00:20:08.920 Yet another person who showed up right at the peace monument early on before anyone else,
00:20:14.820 along with these other figures.
00:20:16.800 And yet another person who's unindicted completely.
00:20:21.160 And scaffold commander doesn't seem to just have a tactical role here.
00:20:24.980 He seems to have a leadership role commanding this group of people.
00:20:28.780 So you can start to see how sort of the different instruments of the Fed's erection start to come
00:20:34.260 together as one orchestra.
00:20:36.100 The night before, you've got Ray Epps with this professional focus on entering the Capitol.
00:20:40.620 You've got black ski mask guys saying, we have to take that ground.
00:20:44.640 We have to go inside.
00:20:45.940 Then you've got the fence coming down.
00:20:47.820 And then you've got this loud voice from the scaffold commander.
00:20:51.020 I don't even know how he gets up there, how he gets a bullhorn that seems to look a lot like the bullhorns
00:20:56.500 that are elsewhere in the crowd.
00:20:58.480 What do we know, Darren, about the federal government's pursuit of scaffold commander
00:21:02.780 for quite literally animating and accelerating the criminal activity?
00:21:07.000 Well, as far as I know, there's been no pursuit whatsoever.
00:21:11.480 There's been no there's been no arrests.
00:21:13.860 There's been nothing, which is remarkable because, again, it's not just that he happens
00:21:18.920 to be a guy on the scaffold calling for people to move forward and go into the Capitol.
00:21:23.780 He fits that precise pattern of the key individuals who are just hanging out, loitering right by the
00:21:31.500 Peace Monument, right nearby the site where that initial breach occurred at 1253.
00:21:39.420 He's hanging out there, provoking law enforcement very early on in the day.
00:21:44.600 You've got to stop us!
00:21:51.300 We're coming!
00:21:52.840 I see you pacing around.
00:21:54.460 Are you thinking about it?
00:21:55.580 We're coming!
00:21:56.380 We see you pacing.
00:21:57.740 Are you thinking about it?
00:21:58.960 And he, like the others who are hanging out at the same place at the same time early before
00:22:04.220 everyone, before the Proud Boys contingent even arrived at the initial breach site, and
00:22:09.640 it's the official story that the Proud Boys kicked everything off.
00:22:12.980 And yet, you have this collection of individuals hanging out at this very spot before the Proud
00:22:19.480 Boys even got there who all went on to play decisive roles in engineering the riot of January 6th.
00:22:26.880 And all of these people, unlike many of the Proud Boys, are unindicted and even unsearched.
00:22:34.220 So what's the motive, Darren?
00:22:36.080 I mean, if the federal government didn't just have one person, but had almost a cadre of
00:22:40.860 people doing very specific things to ensnare a bunch of people who thought they were part
00:22:46.500 of a rally or a march or a peaceful protest in this investigation, it seems like a lot
00:22:53.120 of effort and resource was put into it.
00:22:55.400 To what end?
00:22:56.980 Well, that's a great question.
00:22:58.500 And before I get to that, I'd just like to very briefly state that not only is it overwhelmingly
00:23:04.540 likely that there were multiple feds, that Ray Epps was not acting alone, that there are
00:23:10.540 multiple feds.
00:23:11.440 But I would suspect it's overwhelmingly likely that multiple different federal agencies had
00:23:17.680 people in place, and there very likely wasn't a centralized coordination and communication
00:23:24.080 between those various agencies.
00:23:25.760 So I would not be shocked at all if, you know, when all is said and done, it turns out that
00:23:30.800 the FBI had people there, the JTTF had people there, Army Counterintelligence had people there,
00:23:37.200 DHS had people there, and they may not have necessarily known what the other people are doing.
00:23:42.360 In fact, just two days ago, Newsweek came out with a report that the DOJ, the acting attorney
00:23:48.600 general, unilaterally authorized this highly classified top secret shoot to kill commando
00:23:56.000 force to go to the Capitol on January 6th on the basis of some bizarre intelligence that
00:24:03.520 they received regarding weapons of mass destruction.
00:24:06.000 I'm not even kidding.
00:24:07.120 This Newsweek came out with this piece a couple of days ago, and they didn't communicate this
00:24:11.180 to the Capitol police or other law enforcement agencies.
00:24:13.860 And that's reporting from Newsweek, and, you know, we know that fairly well now.
00:24:19.620 So there's a lot of different actors involved from a lot of different government agencies,
00:24:25.140 I would say.
00:24:26.120 What's the purpose?
00:24:27.480 Well, the purpose is political.
00:24:29.780 I mean, we have to understand the broader context here.
00:24:32.920 The broader context is to feed into the agenda whereby anyone who is a Trump supporter or adjacent
00:24:41.360 to Trump support, or even in the most remote sense of being an objector to the agenda and
00:24:49.540 direction of our corrupt regime, anyone who fits into that category doesn't completely comply
00:24:55.640 and fall into line, is by extension, by implication, a domestic terrorist.
00:25:03.040 And therefore, the government can justify its movement to marshal the full weight and influence
00:25:10.960 and force of the national security apparatus domestically in order to crush this alleged
00:25:17.520 national security threat of people who hold political opinions that are inconvenient for
00:25:22.960 the people who control our country.
00:25:24.720 It would be one of the greatest scandals in our nation's history, and it is unfolding before
00:25:30.880 our very eyes, part of the Republican response to all of this concerns me, Darren.
00:25:36.140 A Republican leadership tells our members, you know, we should spend January 6th talking
00:25:40.840 about Pelosi's failures and not marshalling sufficient defenses, and why weren't there more
00:25:46.860 National Guard on call, and why didn't we protect the Capitol more?
00:25:50.720 And what I worry about that is it seems to justify that enhanced utilization of the national
00:25:57.060 security infrastructure against our people, and far more productive to actually get to
00:26:02.040 the truth would be to issue the subpoenas to people like Ray Epps, to identify people
00:26:07.600 like Scaffold Commander, to get to the bottom of any records created on January 5th for the
00:26:13.360 hippies for Trump bus.
00:26:15.320 Do you worry that an overemphasis on, well, Pelosi just wasn't defensive and prepared enough
00:26:21.700 might really miss the point and distract us from the pursuit of the truth that is so necessary
00:26:26.840 in this scandal?
00:26:28.000 That's an excellent point.
00:26:29.560 I'm really, really happy that you raised that point.
00:26:32.960 And it really underscores the general proposition that the narrative matters so much.
00:26:39.600 Before Revolver.news' reporting, the narrative on 1-6 from the right fit into two categories.
00:26:47.700 One category was, oh, you know, these are leftists, these are Antifa infiltrators.
00:26:53.700 And the second category is, oh, the people are largely harmless.
00:26:57.320 Now, there could be truth to both of those narratives.
00:26:59.620 I'm not discounting those entirely.
00:27:01.500 But it was only when Revolver shifted the narrative to, wait a minute, this looks like
00:27:07.080 the government doing exactly what it's been doing for decades now.
00:27:11.060 And it fits all the patterns, and there's a tremendous amount of evidence that this is
00:27:15.640 the best explanation.
00:27:16.620 It's not Antifa.
00:27:18.340 It's not the left.
00:27:20.100 It's not Nancy Pelosi.
00:27:22.240 This is the national security apparatus doing what it's done to the American people for decades.
00:27:28.800 That is an extremely subversive narrative.
00:27:32.720 It happens to be true.
00:27:34.220 But it's extremely subversive because it can't simply be dismissed away or dissipated or neutralized
00:27:42.580 in the bread and circuses performative nonsense of typical, you know, partisan politics narratives.
00:27:49.520 And that's why I think, like, the Nancy Pelosi stuff, I'm not a fan of Nancy Pelosi.
00:27:55.620 She may have had some idea of what was going on and just tacitly knew to keep out of it and
00:28:00.860 to not call for more security.
00:28:02.380 But to make her a primary figure of all of this, given the political avatar that she is, like,
00:28:10.480 we might as well blame it all on AOC and her dress.
00:28:13.660 Because it's equally ridiculous.
00:28:16.840 It's equally weak.
00:28:18.180 It's equally a part of this universe of bread and circuses nonsense political discourse.
00:28:24.320 And if we do that, the actual perpetrators, the actual evil forces that work the influence
00:28:32.340 on our country and on the American people will laugh all the way to the next plot against
00:28:37.560 the American people unopposed.
00:28:39.480 And so that's why Revolver.News, myself, you, everyone who's been brave and discerning enough
00:28:46.180 to focus persistently on this one narrative that they don't want you to touch, the FBI
00:28:52.400 involvement, the government involvement narrative.
00:28:55.240 That's why we've got so much incoming, because the powers that be would love for nobody to
00:29:00.740 talk about it at all.
00:29:01.760 The second best is for it to be caught up in the typical bread and circuses of dumb political
00:29:07.060 discourse, partisan discourse.
00:29:09.040 What they don't want is for us to talk about it the way we're talking about it now.
00:29:12.840 And that's why they've been so freaked out and pushed back so hard and tried to silence
00:29:17.360 us so vigorously.
00:29:19.920 And it is uncomfortable.
00:29:21.520 And frankly, Darren, I think that if we talk to a thousand regular Americans out in the
00:29:26.960 country, there probably wouldn't be too many of them that think about January 6th one way
00:29:32.200 or the other as a principal element of their daily life or something that informs on their
00:29:38.180 quality of life to a great degree.
00:29:40.360 And so there is this real binary question that will present to Republicans if we take power
00:29:45.660 after the next election.
00:29:46.900 What to do with the January 6th committee?
00:29:49.040 And there was certainly a time where I thought, just disband the darn thing.
00:29:53.360 Let's get to solving people's actual problems.
00:29:56.220 Let's get to making their lives better.
00:29:58.340 But after the most recent report from revolver.news, I don't think we can disband the January 6th
00:30:03.920 committee.
00:30:04.440 I think we have to take over the January 6th committee, issue subpoenas, bring Ray Epps
00:30:10.460 forward, use the best technology to identify these people like scaffold commander, like
00:30:15.960 fence cutter, like black ski mask guy, and put the truth, however uncomfortable it may
00:30:21.020 be before the entire country.
00:30:23.380 Do you think that Republicans need to make that commitment regarding January 6th to our
00:30:28.500 voters and really just to the essence of the truth?
00:30:32.000 Absolutely.
00:30:32.340 I think there needs to be a real committee investigating this and using real authority
00:30:38.380 to get to the bottom of this.
00:30:41.020 And, you know, we need to be able to take control of the committee in order for that
00:30:45.540 to happen.
00:30:46.240 Until that happens, the committee is just a political clown show, an element of political
00:30:52.040 theater that exists to obfuscate the truth about 1-6 and to aggressively promote the very
00:30:58.100 dangerous political narrative that was the purpose of the 1-6 set up in the first place,
00:31:03.640 which is to demonize half the American people as de facto domestic terrorists.
00:31:10.280 Through the valiant efforts of yourself and other brave members of Congress, Marjorie Taylor
00:31:16.620 Green, Thomas Massey, and others, I think we can have some real progress on that side.
00:31:23.340 But until there's full control over the committee, my sense now is that a productive avenue to
00:31:29.860 get to the bottom of things is actually through the various defense councils for January 6th
00:31:36.200 defendants who can use their capacity as defense councils to demand potentially exculpatory
00:31:42.920 evidence, to demand evidence that could point to entrapment.
00:31:47.360 That's what the defense council is doing in the Michigan case.
00:31:50.440 And I'm pleased to report that a defense council for Kelly Meggs, who is an oath keeper who's
00:31:57.640 been charged, has put forth a petition to subpoena both Ray Epps and Stuart Rhodes.
00:32:07.520 And so I think we can start to see progress as well from the defense council, who's also starting
00:32:13.280 to take up this idea of, hmm, what really happened here was much darker than we ever expected,
00:32:19.220 and they do have some power and authority in their legal capacity to get to the bottom of
00:32:24.820 this as well.
00:32:25.820 We will be following that litigation closely, and I think we have to make a commitment to
00:32:31.300 expose these uncomfortable truths wherever they may bring us.
00:32:34.360 You know what?
00:32:34.820 I've learned, if you give it enough time, three things that always show themselves, the sun,
00:32:40.720 the moon, and the truth.
00:32:42.220 Thank you for exposing the truth on revolver.news.
00:32:45.020 I am proud to take the body of your reporting work, place it into the congressional record
00:32:50.420 today so that this day does not conclude without the key questions being presented, and hopefully
00:32:57.700 we'll have the capability to answer them soon.
00:32:59.860 Thanks so much, Darren Beattie, publisher of Revolver News, for joining us.
00:33:03.620 We'll be following your reporting closely.
00:33:05.760 Thank you so much.
00:33:06.760 And we'll be right back with a discussion with the great Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:33:14.300 So here we are, Marjorie.
00:33:16.360 January 6th, we're in Washington, D.C., manning our post.
00:33:21.240 And I guess one thing that has always been kind of bizarre to me, why do you think Democrats
00:33:26.440 are so obsessed with this day?
00:33:28.320 I mean, you know, back in Florida and Georgia, people are worried about their families, their
00:33:34.100 jobs, their freedoms and liberties.
00:33:35.780 As they should be.
00:33:37.020 And Democrats in Washington act like this is the end-all, be-all.
00:33:41.420 And I just wonder why that is.
00:33:44.180 Well, I'm pretty amazed with it, too, Matt.
00:33:46.040 Actually, you know, if Democrats cared about riots, they would have done everything they
00:33:50.160 could have done to stop all the riots over the summer of 2020.
00:33:54.000 They would have rescued American businesses.
00:33:56.240 They would have protected federal courthouses.
00:33:58.420 They would have put the National Guard in front of police officers that were trying to stop
00:34:03.300 all the violence in the streets from BLM.
00:34:05.240 But they don't care about riots.
00:34:07.160 And they don't care about the riot that happened here at the Capitol on January 6th last year.
00:34:11.340 What they care about is they care about drama.
00:34:14.400 They care about theatrics.
00:34:15.820 And they care about creating an image that they can try to sell through the media, who's
00:34:21.020 completely bought in, to convince the American people that an insurrection happened here in
00:34:25.440 Washington when it didn't happen.
00:34:27.440 It wasn't done by the people.
00:34:28.660 There was a riot here.
00:34:29.920 It was violence.
00:34:31.000 You and I didn't like it.
00:34:32.260 But the real insurrectionists, I think, are the Democrats because of what they're doing
00:34:36.040 to our country and how they are completely perverting the Constitution and Congress and
00:34:42.440 what it's set up to be.
00:34:43.500 And I'm really glad I'm here with you today.
00:34:46.120 And I wish that there was more of our conference with us.
00:34:48.820 Well, and let's think about that because, you know, the standard Republican thinking on
00:34:53.700 this day is, you know, hide under your bed, hope the day passes, sort of survive and live
00:34:59.480 through it.
00:35:00.420 And there was a time I definitely thought, you know, when we take power, one of the
00:35:04.100 things I'm most looking forward to is disbanding this stupid committee and getting on with the
00:35:08.880 work of the people.
00:35:09.740 But the more we seem to uncover about the federal government's own involvement with January
00:35:15.460 6th, the more I'm thinking we might have to own this day, own finding the truth for
00:35:21.220 our constituents.
00:35:22.340 So do you fall more on the side of this is dumb, this is a stupid obsession, let's get
00:35:27.260 over it, or do you think we actually have to ask some very tough questions about what
00:35:32.940 the FBI and DOJ were involved with, with people on those grounds?
00:35:39.260 We have to send subpoenas to people like Ray Epps.
00:35:42.000 We have to find out who the scaffold commander is.
00:35:45.120 I mean, you know, which side of this are you on?
00:35:47.400 Do we have to get those answers or do we just move on from this?
00:35:51.120 Well, you're asking at the right time.
00:35:53.180 I'm fresh off of being permanently suspended on Twitter.
00:35:56.140 So I'm ready to rip the whole thing wide open and expose everything.
00:36:00.000 I don't think we do away with this at all.
00:36:01.560 I think we dig deeper into it and find out what happened with Governor Whitmer and how
00:36:05.760 was the FBI involved?
00:36:07.200 I think we go even further and go, how was the FBI, the Department of Justice, or any
00:36:11.380 of our agencies involved in what happened on January 6th?
00:36:14.460 I want to know why on January 3rd they were training.
00:36:17.520 They had these groups, I mean, incredibly trained, military trained and ready.
00:36:23.920 And they were ready on January 3rd for something in the Capitol or here at the Capitol on January
00:36:29.020 6th.
00:36:29.920 But yet none of us knew about it.
00:36:31.700 And that really bothers me because that was my first day on the job.
00:36:34.980 So, you know, Matt, I think you brought up the right questions.
00:36:37.880 We want to know why didn't we see Ray Epps in the D.C.
00:36:41.160 jail?
00:36:41.960 Why isn't he being held in solitary confinement for months on end when other people are?
00:36:48.080 And who is scaffold commander and why did he position himself at the top of that scaffolding
00:36:53.640 right at the peace gate directly above Ray Epps where they were commanding people to go
00:36:58.600 into the Capitol, go into the Capitol.
00:37:00.560 And they were there before President Trump even finished his speech.
00:37:04.500 So, yeah, I'm game on.
00:37:06.640 Let's rip it wide open and find out what's happening.
00:37:09.080 You mentioned the January 6th detainees.
00:37:11.400 And there are a lot of Americans today who will think, gosh, you know, are these folks being
00:37:15.620 treated unfairly, unjustly?
00:37:17.680 Are they being deprived of their constitutional rights?
00:37:20.420 And when all of the conventional thinking in Washington, D.C. was to have Republicans
00:37:25.180 not talk about that, you really took on civil rights and constitutional rights as your cause.
00:37:32.260 And you produced an oversight report for the entire Congress that now we've put into the
00:37:37.060 congressional record that exposed a lot of stuff there.
00:37:41.160 What gave you the instinct to speak up for those folks when it seemed like everybody else
00:37:45.580 was just willing to abandon them?
00:37:47.180 Well, you were with me.
00:37:48.560 Well, but you led it.
00:37:49.740 I mean, in all honesty, you led that effort and you were the catalyst for it.
00:37:54.060 Well, I'm grateful for the support you gave and you went with me.
00:37:57.640 I think you and I both care about, we care about our country and we care about our constitution
00:38:01.780 and we care about due process.
00:38:03.540 I mean, here you studied and you're an attorney.
00:38:06.660 So it's something that you've seen up front and been involved in.
00:38:10.640 The due process.
00:38:11.860 It's an incredible thing.
00:38:13.780 Being presumed innocent before you're proven guilty.
00:38:17.640 Pretrial defendants.
00:38:18.840 They have rights, but yet their rights are being completely abused.
00:38:22.460 And we're seeing a real two-tiered justice system in America that we can't allow to stand
00:38:28.120 regardless of the crimes they committed.
00:38:30.280 Because we have an institution for a reason and we've got to do everything we can to protect it.
00:38:35.880 So this is important to me, but I think it's important to all Americans because everywhere I go,
00:38:42.040 you know, people are angry about inflation.
00:38:43.940 They're really mad at it.
00:38:44.880 And people are so mad at the border, but they're used to it because it's been going on so long.
00:38:49.540 And they don't want to see any of the things that are happening.
00:38:52.920 But what they're very upset about is they're very upset about what's happening to these people in jail.
00:38:57.520 And they're so upset about what is happening to our country and who are the Democrats really?
00:39:03.700 And what are they going to do with COVID?
00:39:05.840 And when does it ever stop?
00:39:07.580 And so these are the things that people care about most.
00:39:10.600 They don't care about, ooh, take back the majority.
00:39:13.160 Yeah, we want to take back the majority, but we want to do something with it.
00:39:16.640 Well, Jim Jordan has made the commitment on this podcast publicly that if he is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee,
00:39:23.100 he will establish an oversight and investigation subcommittee that can review the border, the Department of Justice, the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
00:39:32.160 I don't want to put you on the spot, but would that be the type of assignment that would be of interest to you,
00:39:37.340 being that that is an issue portfolio you've already built out in the absence of that committee assignment?
00:39:42.060 Absolutely, Matt.
00:39:42.960 You know, I've been committee-less the entire time I've been here pretty much.
00:39:47.020 Yes, that would be the type of committee work that I would like to take on.
00:39:50.800 And I think the American people would like for me to be involved in that way.
00:39:53.560 Oh, I think that you've really used a lot of the tools that committees have, even in the absence of that.
00:39:59.440 And frankly, a lot of people are grateful that the truth is coming out.
00:40:02.460 And speaking the truth is, I think, what got you banned from Twitter, admonished by Facebook.
00:40:09.120 And like, what's crazy to me, a lot of people are talking finally now about how unfair that was to you.
00:40:15.000 I think we had to encourage some of our Republican colleagues to speak out with particularity about you and how unfair that was to you.
00:40:22.460 But no one really talks about the substance of what you were saying that is, in many cases, fundamentally accurate.
00:40:28.960 Like, you got a strike from Twitter for saying that if people were less obese, they would be less frail to COVID.
00:40:35.880 Yeah.
00:40:36.120 Is that something that's really in dispute anymore?
00:40:39.420 Well, it's very offensive to Twitter, but I want to dig a little deeper into this because I've done some research and uncovered some things that really bother me.
00:40:47.980 You know, COVID misinformation is not, that isn't what Twitter is set up for.
00:40:53.780 This is a platform where people are supposed to be able to speak their mind, share their ideas, communicate, socialize even.
00:41:00.100 And for us as members of Congress, this is a place where we debate political speech.
00:41:04.120 Now, hear me putting out information from the CDC.gov, the VAERS system where people are self-reporting vaccine injury and death.
00:41:14.280 This is something that absolutely should be talked about, especially by members of Congress, because we provide oversight over all of our government, right?
00:41:22.120 This is what we do. And so for me to be suspended for tweeting things like that, that is a huge red flag.
00:41:28.820 And I also want to point something out about my permanent Twitter suspension.
00:41:34.500 President Trump was kicked off before me, and now I have been kicked off, and we are both the same kind of Republican, and we have the same type of support from the American people all over this country.
00:41:46.520 So what does that say? That means Twitter hates a certain type of Republican.
00:41:51.100 They hate you too, Matt, and they're probably either going to come for you next.
00:41:53.640 Oh, I've been shadow banned, and frankly, they're dropping the shadow more and more each day.
00:41:58.880 But I think you were punished by that platform because you challenged the regime.
00:42:04.900 You challenged the regime's thinking.
00:42:06.980 And we ought to live in a world where we think enough of our fellow Americans to confront challenging topics and to review data and to discuss it and then have the best ideas and policies and practices emerge from those debates.
00:42:21.200 And, you know, you've never been afraid of that.
00:42:22.980 You would take on CNN your first day here, one of my favorite press conferences you've ever done.
00:42:28.040 And it just seems like we live in a world where the left wants to constrain that thought and constrain that truth and define the truth themselves.
00:42:36.600 You know, legislatively, there are two different schools of Republican thinking on this.
00:42:42.280 One is we use the power of the legislative branch to break up these companies, to force them to abide by the values that undergird our Constitution.
00:42:52.100 And another is to simply serve up a series of questions to the judicial branch.
00:42:57.840 What branch of government?
00:42:59.300 And frankly, I had the perspective when Trump was president that we ought to have the FEC and the FCC kind of from the executive side go after them.
00:43:06.360 But, like, is there a branch of government that you think is best suited to take on this challenge?
00:43:12.640 See, that one's hard for me because I'm not a big government person.
00:43:16.060 So, yes, I have a really hard time.
00:43:18.100 This is the rub.
00:43:19.000 Yeah, it is.
00:43:19.500 That's the core issue.
00:43:20.320 Here's what I want to point out to you.
00:43:22.060 So, there is something bigger going on with my Twitter suspension that we haven't had a chance to talk about.
00:43:28.560 You see, it's not just Democrats that work at Twitter that don't like my political speech, President Trump's political speech, your political speech, and then, gosh, the countless conservative Americans that have been kicked off.
00:43:39.180 There's Republicans there, too, that don't like it.
00:43:41.100 And we both know that in this town, in Washington, D.C., it's the Democrats and then those rhino Republicans together really are the worst enemy to the American people.
00:43:51.920 And if you – something that's really important is to understand that Jack Dorsey was recently pushed out by someone that moved in there.
00:43:59.980 And I think it's important for us to start digging into who – where do these donations go, these people that sit on the board, and who do they donate to?
00:44:07.700 Which Democrats?
00:44:08.440 Most of them donate to Democrats, but there's some people there that donate to Republicans.
00:44:12.740 And if so, what kind of Republican are they, and why is their political speech chosen by the establishment media and by places and, you know, platforms like Twitter and Facebook?
00:44:24.360 And then if you challenge, say, that kind of Republican like I did when I tweeted about Dan Crenshaw just within an hour.
00:44:33.020 So you think that you being critical of Crenshaw, from a policy standpoint, it wasn't a personal attack.
00:44:39.380 No.
00:44:39.560 It was a dispute about the right way to use government to collect information, to administer vaccines.
00:44:48.180 You know, you were making a policy point.
00:44:50.460 Yes.
00:44:50.800 You think that tweet informed on the punishment they dished out?
00:44:54.460 Well, Dan Crenshaw was on Fox News, and he was talking about using FEMA to increase this testing for COVID, that, you know, for coughs and sneezes and runny noses that President Joe Biden wants to implement on the American people, just to keep counting cases.
00:45:11.140 And Dan Crenshaw was talking about using FEMA for that, and then he was also talking about sending FEMA into hospitals, where they are very short on healthcare workers.
00:45:21.540 But yet, healthcare workers have been fired, the ones that worked on the front lines that are unvaccinated.
00:45:26.200 But connect that to the punishment.
00:45:27.760 Okay.
00:45:28.160 So what I tweeted about was I disagreed with him.
00:45:31.200 I disagreed with that policy.
00:45:33.140 And as a member of Congress, I disagreed with my Republican colleague that we should be using government resources that way.
00:45:39.920 Most Republicans, especially Republican voters, do not want FEMA testing sites, and they do not want FEMA in the hospitals.
00:45:46.240 They want to see the unvaccinated healthcare workers hired back, and these people to be able to provide for their families and do the job that they did, especially when people were really dying from COVID.
00:45:56.280 I disagreed with him on that, and I pointed out that his policies were not conservative.
00:46:01.980 That was hurting the conservative brand.
00:46:04.160 Within an hour, I was kicked off of Twitter.
00:46:06.540 You know, I've talked a lot about COVID on Twitter, but so have many others.
00:46:10.480 And I've noticed that a lot of their Twitter pages are still there, and they've said the same thing I said about bears and other things about COVID.
00:46:18.140 But when I looked further and checked into the donations and the people that sit on the board and the people that are so powerful that they're able to push Jack Dorsey out of his own company.
00:46:28.080 Are you talking about Paul Singer?
00:46:29.160 Yeah.
00:46:30.040 I found out he's a big donor.
00:46:31.420 The Singerization of Twitter.
00:46:32.720 Yeah, and he's a big donor to Dan Crenshaw, but he's not a fan of me, and he's not a fan of President Trump either.
00:46:38.540 Well, we're not for everyone, but I think we should be able to make our point on matters of policy difference without getting the Twitter death penalty.
00:46:48.320 Well, you know what?
00:46:49.700 A message to Twitter.
00:46:51.020 When Nancy Pelosi took you off those committees, she made you one of the most powerful people in the House of Representatives.
00:46:56.480 Twitter kicking you off may make you one of the most powerful people on all of the Internet.
00:47:00.060 Thanks for asking the tough questions.
00:47:01.920 Thanks for being here in Washington, D.C. on January 6th.
00:47:04.680 We're about to hop over and be on Steve Bannon's War Room Podcast.
00:47:08.540 And join us there.
00:47:09.740 We'll be answering even more questions.
00:47:11.580 Thanks, Marjorie.
00:47:12.160 Thank you.