The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - January 20, 2022


Episode 23： False Flag (feat. Kash Patel & Darren Beattie) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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Ray Epps testimony and committee tactics
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Matt Gaetz
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Ray Epps Darren Beattie Donald Trump Stuart Rhodes Joe Biden Christopher Steele Adam Schiff Kash Patel Paul Ryan George Tanios H.R. McMaster Devin Nunes Scott Perry Andy McCabe Chris Ray Joe Rogan Swalwell Durham Thomas Caldwell Adam Kinzinger and 14 more
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On today's show, we're joined by two of the smartest people to weigh in on the critical events that are breaking right before us. Former Acting Chief of Staff at the Department of Defense during the Trump administration, also worked with the NSA, and served as a staff member on the House Intelligence Committee when we blew open the Russia hoax.

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00:00:01.000 The embattled Congressman Matt Gaetz.
00:00:03.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress
00:00:06.000 who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington on behalf of his constituents.
00:00:10.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem in the Democratic Party.
00:00:13.000 He can cause a lot of hiccups in passing applause.
00:00:16.000 So we're going to keep running those stories to keep hurting him.
00:00:20.000 If you stand for the flag and kneel in prayer,
00:00:23.000 if you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground,
00:00:26.000 then welcome, my fellow patriots.
00:00:29.000 You are in the right place.
00:00:31.000 This is the movement for you.
00:00:33.000 You ever watch this guy on television?
00:00:35.000 It's like a machine, Matt Gaetz.
00:00:38.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.
00:00:41.000 Many days I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.
00:00:46.000 They aren't really coming for me.
00:00:48.000 They're coming for you.
00:00:50.000 I'm just in the way.
00:00:54.000 Welcome back to Firebrand.
00:00:56.000 This is going to be our biggest episode ever.
00:00:59.000 I have two of the smartest people to weigh in on the critical events that are breaking right before us.
00:01:05.000 We've got the former acting chief of staff at the Department of Defense during the Trump administration,
00:01:11.000 also worked with the NSA, worked as a staff member on the House Intelligence Committee when we blew open the Russia hoax.
00:01:18.000 Cash Patel, he's the host of Cash's Corner, which is on Epic TV in collaboration with the Epic Times.
00:01:24.000 And also, you know him well as the publisher of Revolver.News,
00:01:28.000 the place that has had the most thorough investigative reporting on a lot of the events around January 6th, Dr. Darren Beattie.
00:01:36.000 And I'll start with you, Dr. Beattie.
00:01:38.000 Tomorrow, Ray Epps will be given testimony behind closed doors to members of the January 6th committee.
00:01:47.000 What do you think he's going to say?
00:01:49.000 Well, I can only anticipate that he's going to say something fairly boring and along the lines of what the committee has already released to the public as ostensibly Epps' public statement,
00:02:03.000 which is effectively, I'm not a Fed and more particularly and precisely worded, I'm not a member or affiliated with directly or indirectly any law enforcement agency.
00:02:16.000 So I think we're basically going to get an iteration of that, but they're clearly in their damage control tour.
00:02:24.000 And I'm looking very carefully for any unforced errors that might result there from.
00:02:30.000 And it would be nice if these hearings were open to the public, if Republicans that the minority leader had put on the committee was able to ask questions.
00:02:39.000 But it's a hyper controlled environment. It is an environment that Cash Patel knows well.
00:02:45.000 Cash, you remember during the Russia hoax, during the Ukraine follow up to the Russia hoax, committees would take testimony behind closed doors.
00:02:56.000 They would leak excerpts that help them build their narrative.
00:02:59.000 And then they would use that feedback loop with the media as someone who's actually been a part of that process, exposing that process.
00:03:07.000 You know, what do you expect broadly from this this highly secretive committee and the tactics they're using to get information, but not in the most transparent of ways?
00:03:18.000 Yeah. Thanks so much for having me, Matt. Look, you know, is Ray Epps the new Christopher Steele?
00:03:22.000 And that's kind of like it in a summary. Right. Remember, you were thanks to your courageous media reporting and interviews when we were doing the Russiagate investigation.
00:03:30.000 People actually found out the nefarious nature of FBI, Christopher Steele and their subsource network.
00:03:36.000 But you remember what happened for the first year we went in with it. They pummeled us. They said, you're lying.
00:03:40.000 The FBI would never do this. We would never drop an informant paid for by the Democratic Party and lie to a federal court to some to surveil our opponent would never happen under this America.
00:03:50.000 And here we're talking about a similar situation. And Ray Epps is going before the committee.
00:03:54.000 So I just hope there's some courageous committee members in there who are going to ask, well, if you don't work for the FBI, have you ever worked for the FBI?
00:04:01.000 And how about another government agency? And have you paid others to work for you at the behest of the FBI?
00:04:06.000 And what about all this information? Where has it been recorded? Who at the FBI were you working with?
00:04:11.000 And did Chris Ray know? Did the deputy director know? Did it start before Chris Ray?
00:04:15.000 I mean, you know these questions. And unfortunately, they're they're behind closed doors.
00:04:19.000 So I doubt they'll even get asked. And even if they do, as you said, they'll leak what they want to leak.
00:04:24.000 And maybe in a year from now, we'll be talking about Ray Epps as the new Christopher Steele.
00:04:28.000 You know, and Cash, I think a lot of people view the January 6th events through the lens of pattern recognition after having lived through the Russia hoax.
00:04:38.000 You know, we even see now in some of these Durham indictments that you've got you've got Durham saying, well, you know, the FBI was lied to. 0.78
00:04:47.000 They were they were the victims in all this by these crazy Russians. And of course, you know, you and Congressman Devin Nunes did a lot of work to expose the extent to which folks at the Department of Justice and at the FBI were actually animating those lies. 0.63
00:05:01.000 And so as you've watched the reporting around January 6th and the way there has been this real deliberate effort for a regime controlled narrative, do you see that pattern recognition and some of those very same tactics they used to destabilize President Trump in office now being used to destabilize a political movement that they disagree with?
00:05:21.000 Absolutely. And you see the same clown show that ran that operation in Adam Schiff and Swalwell and the like running this same operation today.
00:05:28.000 They ran it once and failed. Now they're trying to run it again. 0.85
00:05:31.000 And look, I'll give you an anecdotal example of my five hours of interrogation before the Jan 6th committee.
00:05:35.000 You would think they would want the chief of staff of the Department of Defense to tell them about the National Guard authorizations, how we prepared, how we executed, how the Biden inspector general validated our position under the Trump administration leading up to January 6th.
00:05:49.000 You think they want to talk about all of those things. But what they focused on in the bulk of the five hours was not January 6th, but Afghanistan, Somalia, Mark Esper, Gina Haspel, members of Congress and the mainstream media.
00:06:02.000 I was shocked. Well, maybe I wasn't shocked because, you know, it is Adam Schiff after all to learn that the select committee on investigating January 6th spent less time talking about January 6th to me than they did about Afghanistan.
00:06:14.500 And this is the event that at the year's anniversary, they continually compared to 9-11 in Pearl Harbor that they exhibited, you know, basically no interest in when they had the opportunity to talk to you.
00:06:28.920 Now, Darren, Darren, there are two vectors here we're working. There's the committee, but then there's also the Department of Justice.
00:06:36.460 And we've seen a Department of Justice go from a state of slumber, as it relates to a lot of these organizers, to a state of great activity and animation regarding Stuart Rhodes, who really was a partner of Ray Epps in the Oath Keepers organization.
00:06:52.780 Can you break down for the viewers from your reporting on Stuart Rhodes to now Stuart Rhodes' arrest and indictment and fill in some of the holes that don't make a lot of sense?
00:07:03.820 Yes, I'd love to do that. But first, very quickly, some some words on Epps, because I see how it's being reported and some people are reporting, oh, the reason that Epps's face was taken off the FBI's most wanted list is that he called the FBI in early January.
00:07:20.460 And they, you know, they talked to him like, you know, January 8th, I think it is. And then on that basis, they took his name off.
00:07:27.180 The only problem is they waited like six months to take his name off. So the timeline is still very bizarre.
00:07:34.640 Like it was the case that he called them up. And on the basis of that conversation, they were satisfied and they took his name off.
00:07:41.940 Why did they wait six months? Why was there no interest in this guy until basically our reporting forced the issue and made him a household name at the level of Ted Cruz, you know, Donald Trump and everyone talking about him?
00:07:54.920 And why still is it that, you know, there's there's not even any prosecution, any search, anything like that?
00:08:00.860 And this bizarre sort of closed door meeting in which there's going to be a carefully manicured and precisely worded testimony that takes advantage of whatever loopholes there may be.
00:08:11.520 It's it's it's a very desperate exercise in damage control.
00:08:15.380 And to some degree, I think it's the same with Stuart Rhodes, although Rhodes, we've done several deep dive investigative reports into Rhodes.
00:08:25.240 I think it's a fascinating story, unlike the story of Epps that's so so captured on video that it has an inherent virality to it just because of how human beings process information.
00:08:40.440 And the question video is just far more powerful than than the written word, in a sense, in terms of virality.
00:08:45.340 Rhodes's story is fascinating. And basically, Rhodes's arrest for seditious conspiracy only intensifies the questions that we raise in those reports.
00:08:57.040 And just very quickly, some of those questions are, why is it that the feds were ostensibly building this years long, deeply serious seditious conspiracy case?
00:09:07.920 They didn't even bother to search the guy.
00:09:10.440 Well, correction, they took a single cell phone from him four months after January 6th.
00:09:16.000 So they give him four months to destroy any evidence he wants to destroy.
00:09:20.080 They take a single phone because nobody has multiple electronic devices.
00:09:25.560 And then they wait another eight months before arresting him without any search.
00:09:30.540 And for that matter, they fail to indict him on any of the lesser charges that they indicted multiple other people, some of whom were his co-defendants.
00:09:42.600 Why would they do that?
00:09:44.020 So those questions don't make any sense in light of the evident seriousness with which they take Rhodes now by giving him this big charge.
00:09:53.700 And, of course, the charge comes at a convenient time just as we're moving into the Oath Keeper's trials where lawyers for other co-defendants are trying to get Rhodes to testify.
00:10:04.140 Well, and let me let me ask, Cash, that question of really litigation strategy in federal criminal court.
00:10:11.700 You know, in addition to hosting Cash's Corner on Epic TV, in addition to being a staffer on the Hill and an executive in the Trump administration over at DOD,
00:10:22.240 Cash also has been a prosecutor, a public defender in federal criminal matters.
00:10:27.140 Cash, have you ever encountered a circumstance or aware of a circumstance where someone might catch a charge to block them from being a witness, as Dr. Beattie surmises may be the case here?
00:10:38.980 Oh, absolutely.
00:10:40.120 Look, a lot of times as a former defense attorney, I would, you know, you play for the lesser of the bigger evil if that's your job when you're representing your client.
00:10:49.640 And if your client can get off with the misdemeanor charge or a small time felony where they might do a little probation and no jail time, because once you once you walk them through that tunnel, then they are easily apt to be able to later say, sorry, I can't cooperate with you.
00:11:04.480 I can't be a witness with you. I can't self-incriminate all these all these legalities kick in and it works to their advantage.
00:11:10.580 So if I was a smart defense attorney, that's what I would be looking to do is shelter some of those guys inside the, you know, the laws and, you know, the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments.
00:11:19.600 And, you know, I've done it and I think they're probably doing it here.
00:11:22.760 But to Darren's point on some of these prosecutions, I don't think they're slow rolling it by any means.
00:11:28.840 I think they are doing this very methodically because this Department of Justice doesn't want to prosecute based on facts and law.
00:11:35.480 They want to prosecute based on a political narrative.
00:11:37.720 What I'm interested to see is why aren't these defense attorneys in the Jan 6 cases being given the thousands of hours of video and discovery, as you and I both know, are so critical to these cases.
00:11:47.740 And as you and I went through, Matt, what have they got to hide?
00:11:50.960 Remember when we caught the Department of Defense not burying, but intentionally burying exculpatory evidence against so many people during Russiagate?
00:11:58.620 Can you imagine if they did it again? And it looks like that might be the case.
00:12:01.760 They need to be turning this discovery over to the American people, including the witness list, so you can actually compose a defense that the Constitution gives you.
00:12:09.980 And they're just not doing it.
00:12:11.240 One of the most searing moments during the entire Russia fiasco was that when you caught the Department of Justice redacting information that had no legal basis to be redacted, but it was just, like, embarrassing to them.
00:12:24.560 Like, you know, Andrew McCabe had bought, like, a $60,000 desk, and somehow they redacted that information.
00:12:31.240 When you called them on that, they quite literally threatened to investigate and prosecute you for engaging in oversight of them.
00:12:39.720 Do you see any parallels there with members of Congress being targeted by the January 6th committee?
00:12:45.000 You know, the people like Jim Jordan and Scott Perry, who are very vocal on election integrity issues, seem to be getting the ire of the committee a great deal more than people who just provoke or talk about these issues.
00:12:59.440 Do you think that, in a way, the strategy that the DOJ used against you could actually, as a congressional staffer, could be used against members of Congress?
00:13:08.080 Yeah, and we don't know if members of Congress's cell phone records have been subpoenaed, their emails have been subpoenaed, their office computers have been subpoenaed.
00:13:15.300 We don't know that. Maybe we'll find out in a year or two later when we get back to the House and we conduct rigorous actual constitutional oversight.
00:13:21.960 So I do fear that. I do fear that this Department of Justice is carrying out political prosecutions against some people.
00:13:28.620 And it's just shocking to me that I find every week I look through the January 6th rolls and I see a 60-year-old woman with no prior records who's being detained in prison is shocking when the entire Democratic platform seems to be all no cash bail.
00:13:44.340 And just these inherent hypocrisies that don't apply across the board in the criminal justice system ever are now applying in places like Congress.
00:13:52.620 And for the select committee to be targeting its political opponents, its other members of Congress and the other party, I think is outrageous.
00:14:00.340 I mean, why aren't, why isn't Adam Schiff and Swalwell and those guys cooperating with the American people about the parameters of this investigation?
00:14:08.860 All they want to do is come in and say, I got you. I got him lying under oath.
00:14:12.740 Department of Justice prosecute him and then keep going.
00:14:15.520 And then we can say how Trump and, you know, his cronies corrupted the whole January 6th process.
00:14:21.440 Darren, I think you're right that tomorrow we're going to hear, you know, Adam Schiff or Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger emerge and say, aha, we've disproven the reporting of Revolver News.
00:14:36.280 Obviously, you know, this is a tactic they've used before to try to deconstruct the truth as we've tried to put it out.
00:14:43.460 What do you think are the important questions Republicans in Congress should really be asking?
00:14:47.680 Well, I think at this stage, you know, it's the question, what are they asking and to whom?
00:14:55.500 I don't think you're going to really get anything out of Epps or his attorney.
00:14:59.220 I think at this stage, it's really important to use whatever legal authority available.
00:15:05.440 I would try to pursue what files does the FBI, for instance, have on Ray Epps?
00:15:11.160 That would be an interesting thing, because even if Ray Epps is not taking a paycheck from the FBI, which was, you know, never what I contemplated and simply not usually how these things work.
00:15:22.640 He's probably if he's working in some capacity, it's probably as a sort of cut out contractor work for, you know, some agency, maybe not even the FBI.
00:15:33.340 But if he has a history of operating in that space, you can rest assured the FBI is going to have a lot of information on him in their files.
00:15:44.860 And I think that's something that whether, you know, members of Congress, I think additionally, defense attorneys for the January 6th defendants should aggressively pursue this information to the best of their ability and within their legal authority.
00:16:01.440 That's sort of an area that I think we might start to get some some interesting information to see, even if they don't comply, to see how they stonewall it could itself be instructive.
00:16:13.440 And certainly they have to come up with some rationale or explanation as to why Epps is on this most wanted list.
00:16:22.360 Right.
00:16:22.600 And then off this most wanted list.
00:16:24.100 And then look, I just, you know, I don't want to get into the weeds too much.
00:16:28.080 But the idea that that you hear in the media as part of this fake debunking victory tour that, oh, of course, Epps wasn't charged.
00:16:36.380 He didn't go into the Capitol.
00:16:37.420 Well, a great example is an individual called Thomas Caldwell, who is a veteran, military veteran in his 60s, disabled.
00:16:48.520 He didn't go into the Capitol.
00:16:50.200 And in fact, very early on in mid-January, unlike Rhodes, who wasn't touched or searched for four months, the feds give him the full FBI raid treatment.
00:17:00.600 Guns pointed at him and his wife.
00:17:02.380 They sweep his house.
00:17:04.020 They take every bit of electronic.
00:17:06.160 He ended up serving.
00:17:08.640 He ended up being in solitary confinement for over 60 days.
00:17:12.780 And they hit him with a conspiracy charge, conspiracy to obstruct official proceeding.
00:17:18.220 And if you look at the charging documents of that charge, the entire conspiracy effectively is constituted on the basis of Stuart Rhodes' statements and actions.
00:17:27.060 So here's a guy that, first of all, you look at his case and say, why the hell, if they go after him, didn't they go after Rhodes that quickly?
00:17:34.680 Because Rhodes was, you know, a much higher level guy.
00:17:38.880 But secondly, it totally puts to lie this notion that, oh, we wouldn't have charged Epps because he didn't go into the Capitol.
00:17:46.640 There are multiple people.
00:17:47.700 And in fact, one other example, in a lot of the interesting video footage of Epps, there's one clip of Epps saying to a guy who's another, you know, suspicious character, but that's a story for another day.
00:18:00.460 He says to the guy right at the barricades, when we go in, leave this here.
00:18:06.660 We don't want to get shot.
00:18:08.540 When we go in, leave this here.
00:18:10.920 So compare that to the case of someone called George Tanios.
00:18:16.880 And this, by the way, in this example was bear spray.
00:18:20.720 George Tanios was an individual who was hit with very serious charges, conspiracy to assault an officer, because when his friend said, asked him for bear spray, he said to his friend, no, no, not yet.
00:18:33.360 And that constituted an overt act of conspiracy.
00:18:36.280 So if no, no, not yet to a bear spray is a conspiracy in this case justifying severe charges of conspiring to attack officers, why isn't it a conspiracy in the case of Ray Epps, whose activity is far more egregious, who says, when we go in, leave this here, within the context of him, you know, explicitly advocating for this mission to go into the Capitol even the evening before.
00:19:02.420 So all of these sort of false excuses they have for why they didn't go after Epps for the beginning make zero sense.
00:19:10.140 They don't add up.
00:19:11.300 They're weak.
00:19:12.020 They're thin.
00:19:12.700 The only reason they're talking about him now was that we forced the issue, which we should continue to do, because I think they're increasingly desperate in this damage control tour they're conducting.
00:19:23.120 You know, Cash, you have been there in these high-intensity litigation moments with terrorism suspects.
00:19:32.120 What would you do to take what Dr. Beattie just said and actually fashion it into a legal defense strategy?
00:19:38.900 There's going to be a lot of motion practice, requests for production.
00:19:41.980 You're going to get the typical assertions of, oh, sources and methods can't produce national security implications.
00:19:49.400 What are the kind of questions that judges are going to have to answer as the lawyers in these cases try to do what you really advised, and that is get the evidence out and in front of the tribunal?
00:20:01.400 Well, you're going to need a brave couple of folks on the judiciary, and I don't know where they're going to be coming from, but hopefully somewhere.
00:20:07.480 And what you're going to need is more than the whole classified, not classified thing, because the stuff related to January 6th, it's not classified.
00:20:14.540 It's just not.
00:20:15.380 It has nothing to do with national security interests.
00:20:18.200 But they'll say it is.
00:20:20.100 They'll say it.
00:20:20.720 I guarantee you, Cash, as sure as I'm here, I'll bet you dinner that there's going to be some sort of sources and methods, national security classification.
00:20:29.460 And really, one of the key moments that will decide whether we break through this thing to the truth is whether or not you'll have judges that will call BS when that cloak is being overlaid, just like we just talked about with the Andy McCabe desk, right, where they're over-redacted.
00:20:43.200 So you're totally right.
00:20:44.620 And the good thing about a federal judge versus the United States Congress is a federal judge has more power than literally the sitting president.
00:20:53.940 So if you get a federal judge who believes in the Constitution and disclosure obligations under discovery to the defense, then a federal judge could issue an immediate release of all those documents if he's working with a defense attorney who's actually practicing to defend his client in the best interest of the law.
00:21:10.300 And they should be recommended and referring to all of the contact reports, all the investigative documents, not just at the FBI, but at the DHS, at the Department of Justice, at every agency involved in and surrounding January 6th.
00:21:24.540 And they should be putting those documents into the court system so that the American public can go pull them because the court filings, as you guys know, are all public, as they should be.
00:21:34.020 But I think you're right, Matt.
00:21:35.620 There'll be some DOJ attorney who screams national security. 0.60
00:21:39.920 But they did that with Christopher Steele.
00:21:41.520 Remember, we were going to kill Christopher Steele if we released his name.
00:21:44.300 We were going to kill our relationship with England.
00:21:46.700 The Western European economy was going to collapse.
00:21:48.880 And it turns out the only thing we unveiled was the largest criminal conspiracy in presidential election history.
00:21:54.700 And the only people we embarrassed were James Comey, Andy McCabe, and the whole crew of Strzok and Page and those miscreants.
00:22:00.840 And unfortunately, this is looking like another retread of that great calamity that we had to endure.
00:22:08.580 And I hope, you know, Darren's hard work pays off sooner than later.
00:22:12.440 Right.
00:22:12.580 And just really quick addendum to that on the national security pretext.
00:22:16.740 So H.R. McMaster recently sat down with Joe Rogan.
00:22:21.580 And Joe Rogan, to his great credit, has taken brave interest in the January 6th issue, even citing Revolver.
00:22:30.040 And he brought up the Fed surrection, Fed infiltration question to McMaster, who, of course, denied it and then responded by saying,
00:22:39.340 you know, there may have been some weird stuff going on, but it was probably the Russians.
00:22:43.440 So there's your national security pretext there.
00:22:48.060 When in doubt, it was the Russians. 1.00
00:22:51.200 Yeah, yes, right.
00:22:52.720 Right.
00:22:53.320 When in doubt, the specter of Russian involvement has to bar our pursuit of the truth.
00:23:00.220 And, you know, the narrative they're trying to build now is one against a movement, not just against a president.
00:23:08.340 But, Cash, you know these tools well.
00:23:11.040 Now it seems like a whole lot of threat construction, a whole lot of political threat construction around the American right.
00:23:17.380 As you project forward in your thinking and analysis, you know, what comes kind of next after the indictments and trials of these January 6th detainees?
00:23:26.440 Do you see this being a play in financial institutions, barring people from employment if they were anywhere in the DMV area on January 6th?
00:23:35.160 What do you think will be the next iteration of national security concern that we'll all have to deal with as part of the political right?
00:23:43.300 I think the right is going to have to, once we win the House and the Senate, I think the right is going to have to start all over again to do constitutional oversight,
00:23:51.780 to restore so many of the rights that are going to be stolen from some of these innocent individuals regarding January 6th.
00:23:57.000 And as you so squarely pointed out, it's going to affect people's livelihoods, it's going to affect people's families once there's that conviction, right?
00:24:03.440 But then there's the appellate process and people have to stay with it.
00:24:06.320 And what Congress has to do when the Republicans have the gavels again is actually launch an investigation into how this committee went about the January 6th investigation,
00:24:16.120 but more importantly, how the Department of Justice and the FBI went about investigating January 6th.
00:24:22.040 And I think what everyone is forgetting, that January 6th was a law enforcement responsibility, an FBI-led effort.
00:24:29.180 Where was Chris Wray and his thousand agents around the United States Capitol building to prevent this matter?
00:24:34.020 Why didn't anyone ask for law enforcement agents on that day?
00:24:36.740 Congress needs to be asking the FBI and the Department of Justice those very questions.
00:24:41.460 And unfortunately, it's a slow burn.
00:24:43.520 We can't do that until we get the gavels back.
00:24:45.960 And unfortunately, I also think there's going to be some convictions of individuals whose rights are going to be violated,
00:24:51.200 whose due process rights are going to be violated in the rush to justice in this midterm election cycle by a Department of Justice that seems to want to politicize some trials. 0.87
00:24:59.480 Well, Cash, you're pretty optimistic about the ability for Republicans to perform that needed oversight.
00:25:05.000 But, you know, you lived through the experience where you and Devin Nunes were trying to get the truth before the country.
00:25:12.300 And we had Paul Ryan and Trey Gowdy and Bob Goodlatte saying, there's nothing to see here.
00:25:18.660 We just need to trust the FBI did nothing wrong.
00:25:21.580 And, you know, we would all be happy with what they're up to.
00:25:24.320 I am even more convinced that the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got.
00:25:31.920 And that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump.
00:25:34.140 And it was all nonsense.
00:25:36.360 It was all a construct in order to exercise their power against Trump.
00:25:41.600 Do you have confidence in the Republicans in the majority to actually be bold enough to get those questions answered?
00:25:48.260 Well, if we give you a gavel, then I definitely have confidence in it.
00:25:51.640 So if they give me a gavel, you got to come back and be my staff director.
00:25:55.420 You know, I mean, deal.
00:25:58.040 Look, I guess I think you're right, Matt.
00:25:59.940 I think maybe it is a little, you know, believing in pie in the sky and my side of the thing, but because it was such a hard battle to to wage.
00:26:08.160 But I do think there's guys like you there.
00:26:10.260 There's guys, you know, the Jim Jordans of Banks of the world.
00:26:12.640 There's Scott Perry.
00:26:13.320 There's so many guys and gals that are warriors of ours in Congress.
00:26:16.580 They're just going to have to take the mantle up on their own.
00:26:18.560 And at least this time, we won't have a Paul Ryan to get in our way and shoot ourselves in the foot in the face at the same time.
00:26:23.620 And we're going to have a lot of momentum.
00:26:25.280 We thought Paul Ryan was the savior from John Boehner.
00:26:28.440 And then, you know, so like every it's like a backup quarterback, right?
00:26:33.160 These these guys and gals who want to be speaker when they're sitting on the bench, you think they're going to be the savior of the franchise.
00:26:38.560 And then when they actually have the ball in their hand, you get something dramatically different.
00:26:43.260 But I think it's really important to keep talking about this because our our constituents are the American people are.
00:26:50.600 You know, we saw recently Congressman Crenshaw in a town hall meeting really confronted by one of his constituents about why not had been not enough had been done to take on the cause of people whose due process has been violated.
00:27:03.880 My question is on the January 6th.
00:27:06.120 What have you done to help any of these people that are being held without any due process?
00:27:12.600 There there is no due process.
00:27:16.180 They're political prisoners.
00:27:18.320 Have you done anything to help is my question.
00:27:23.640 Look, like I said, what would you look like?
00:27:26.320 You're a congressman that represents the state of Texas.
00:27:29.420 Is there anything else you can do?
00:27:31.220 I mean, do we throw our hands up and say, I'm sorry?
00:27:35.080 I mean, if I if I went and saw them, that would gain a lot of attention for me and do nothing for them.
00:27:40.460 That's the truth.
00:27:42.500 That's the truth.
00:27:45.600 If you want if you want if you want to if you want to performance, they can give you a performance.
00:27:50.740 OK, I don't I wish I had the authority to help.
00:27:53.960 I just we do not.
00:27:55.220 I'm not going to lie to you and tell you we have authorities that we don't.
00:27:57.420 Darren, if you've got to bet on the federal courts to get answers or Congress, which are you betting on to get the most salient points out to the public quickest?
00:28:08.840 Well, again, if you're in charge, I would be more optimistic about Congress.
00:28:13.880 But at this stage, I think the most likely vehicle for breaking this open further will come through the development of the trials, the January 6th trials in April.
00:28:26.540 And for the defense attorneys to intelligently use their legal authority in order to uncover some things that, you know, I don't anticipate Congress being able to do at least.
00:28:39.620 So if that's true, so if so if that's true, Cash, that the greatest risk to the fraudsters in the regime is the the criminal process and potentially a bold judge and an innovative attorney filing the right motions.
00:28:53.560 Do you think that when those events arise, the Department of Justice will be really eager to give deals to people who are asking tough questions, whereas if you're just there getting represented by, you know, maybe a lawyer that you got assigned that might not even hope for the best for you, that those folks will face tougher punishment than those that are demanding the production of the records and the videos and the evidence?
00:29:15.820 I think that's a great point. And once these cases do get to trial and I have to remind everybody, 98 percent of federal cases never go to trial, literally 98 percent, less than two percent of cases go to a jury trial in federal criminal court.
00:29:29.580 So it's almost unheard of to begin with. And the fact that so many of these cases are setting themselves for trial posture, probably as a Department of Justice, a little worried.
00:29:37.180 And I think you will see a flurry, a flurry of plea deals coming in the in the early spring of this year, because what they'll do is they'll offer people no jail time, probation, just, you know, don't say anything to the press.
00:29:49.800 Just just let's put this one another way. And they'll they'll chalk it up as another conviction in federal court.
00:29:54.860 That's the unfortunate reality of the situation, because what you need for this entire process to actually work is not just an innocent defendant, but a defendant willing to put it all on the line.
00:30:04.320 Risk years in federal prison, risk punishment to his family, risk harm to his reputation.
00:30:10.260 And that is a lot to ask of any human being, especially an everyday civilian that should never have gone through this.
00:30:15.920 So they're going to need a lot of support.
00:30:17.420 Just an addendum to that. So the famous footage of Epps right at the site of that decisive breach of the metal barricade of Epps whispering into someone's ear.
00:30:30.300 And then two seconds later, that individual goes on to storm through the barricade.
00:30:36.240 That person is Ryan Samsell. And that's a that's a very interesting story in its own right.
00:30:42.080 He was brutalized in prison, beaten in prison like he probably made some judgment errors, to say the least, on January 6th.
00:30:49.560 But nobody deserves, you know, brutal treatment in prison, which he's gotten.
00:30:54.720 But and one interesting thing about him is he's actually done interviews since his arrest.
00:31:01.220 But the one thing that my understanding is that he's keeping very, very close to the chest is what did Ray Epps whisper in your ear?
00:31:10.120 Two seconds before you busted down the barricade.
00:31:13.200 Well, I sure hope that question gets answered tomorrow when Mr. Epps is there.
00:31:18.480 And who knows, I may see him walking in the hallways and I certainly wouldn't be afraid to ask if if we happen to encounter one another.
00:31:25.260 Now, Cash has had almost every job in the government, in Congress, at the DOD, at the National Security Council.
00:31:33.120 And Dr. Beattie has been fired, I guess, by now both the Biden administration and the Trump administration.
00:31:39.960 You know, I want you to be able to react to a couple of things here, Dr. Beattie.
00:31:44.560 First, the man who fired you in the Trump administration, John Kelly, is now actively meeting with former Trump administration officials to try to impair Donald Trump's political fortunes and a prospective 2024 candidacy.
00:32:00.380 What was your reaction to the news that the man who fired you as Donald Trump's chief of staff and smeared you unfairly was now part of the resistance?
00:32:10.740 Well, I mean, he's this is nothing new.
00:32:13.360 He was part of the resistance, as far as I'm concerned, when he was working as chief of staff.
00:32:17.440 So this is just kind of coming out in the open.
00:32:21.440 It's not a surprise.
00:32:22.380 Unfortunately, it's one of many such cases, as Trump has wanted to say, there's many such cases.
00:32:29.920 And that's just, you know, that's just the way it goes.
00:32:32.260 So I hope he fails in all of his future endeavors.
00:32:35.800 And most recently, you know, I know you were very much enjoying the contributions you were making to work to preserve historical sites, to ensure that the Holocaust wasn't recast or put into the, you know, chambers of history in an inappropriate way, but that it was recognized and that it was validated.
00:32:55.860 And after your reporting, it seemed like it seemed like when Joe Biden came in, he had no problem with you serving in that role pursuant to your appointment.
00:33:03.300 But when you started reporting on the Department of Justice and the FBI and the Ray Epps, all of a sudden you are no longer worthy to preserve cultural sites.
00:33:12.400 What was your reaction when you got that notice of constructive termination from the Biden regime?
00:33:18.000 Well, again, it's I think it's a remarkable distinction to be fired from both Trump and Biden administration.
00:33:23.420 So I'll just leave it to people to determine whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.
00:33:28.120 But as for the Biden issue, you know, a lot of my friends who had appointments, they've been terminated far earlier than I was.
00:33:34.500 So in a way, it was surprising that I lasted as long as I did.
00:33:37.640 And it's only when the issue came to the fore that this guy is causing tremendous trouble for Department of Justice and SBI that kind of forced the issue.
00:33:46.080 I think part of that, it's kind of unfortunate because the board that I was a committee member of is extremely nonpartisan.
00:33:54.540 Its mission is nonpartisan.
00:33:56.100 It's not supposed to be involved in anything partisan.
00:33:58.680 And in my capacity in that role, I had nothing to do with partisanship.
00:34:04.780 And that's so I think it's unfortunate that the Biden administration finally deciding to cave to political pressure and sort of make this entity, which is very important and supposed to be nonpartisan.
00:34:19.320 And that's how it's able to carry out its mission most effectively.
00:34:22.240 So I think it's unfortunate that Biden caved in and ultimately undermined the mission of this important committee.
00:34:29.820 Well, if I ever become president, I promise to fire you so that you will have the hat trick.
00:34:36.020 So that, you know, these things really have to come in threes.
00:34:39.180 They can't just come in twos.
00:34:41.100 But Kash Patel, host of Kash's Corner on Epic TV.
00:34:45.640 Make sure you watch it and always check in daily at revolver.news.
00:34:49.480 That's where the most thorough investigative reporting on these issues is happening.
00:34:53.000 Thank you both for joining me on fire.
00:34:54.600 Brand, can't wait to see what's going to happen next.
00:34:57.200 Thanks a lot.
00:34:57.620 Thank you.
00:34:59.820 Thank you.