The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - Episode 91 LIVE： Detain or Remove (feat. Rep. Chip Roy) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

00:00:00.000 We'll be right back.

00:00:30.000 We're in the right place. This is the movement for you.

00:00:33.180 You ever watch this guy on television? It's like a machine. Matt Gaetz.

00:00:38.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet. Many days I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.

00:00:45.940 They aren't really coming for me. They're coming for you. I'm just in the way.

00:00:50.980 Welcome back to Firebrand. We are broadcasting live out of room 2021 of the Rayburn House Office Building here in Washington, D.C., our nation's capital.

00:01:03.940 And today's episode is going to bring you behind the scenes into the negotiations and the specific policy prescriptions for this border crisis.

00:01:13.840 And we know we're going to get no help from the Democrats at all.

00:01:17.160 So it's critical to know what the leading Republicans are thinking, where the pushback is coming from, what we think we can do, where we see poison pills and red lines.

00:01:27.260 Chip Roy, the author of some of the best legislation to deal with the border crisis, joins Firebrand.

00:01:34.960 We're going to have a great discussion for you. And we have got folks tuning in from everywhere.

00:01:39.440 Just during our preview, folks checked in from Texas, Alaska, a lot of people from Ohio, Missouri, had some New Yorkers, Pennsylvania, a Californian, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and of course, the best state in the country, the Sunshine State, my home state of Florida.

00:01:58.600 So last week, I left Florida, went to Yuma, Arizona, where the House Judiciary Committee held a field hearing on the condition of the border.

00:02:07.340 And Americans living on the border are tired of being neglected.

00:02:12.960 They want their voices heard. And before the hearing, we had this opportunity to get a grasp of the situation on the ground, seeing how services were stretched, how people were treated.

00:02:25.000 And we visited the border itself, a hospital, a food bank.

00:02:28.900 And believe me, what I discovered will absolutely shock you, or even will it anymore, with how much we've seen our border turned into a turnstile.

00:02:39.120 Millions of people here without permission or process.

00:02:43.280 When we went, the first thing we did when I landed in Yuma was tour the regional hospital.

00:02:48.060 Now, you've heard Democrats talk about hospital access and health care and a whole lot of elections, but they don't seem to mind when the hospitals are overrun by illegals in communities on the front line of this crisis. 0.80

00:03:01.780 And that's exactly what was going on in Yuma, Arizona.

00:03:06.280 Newborn babies are not getting the care that they need to stay alive because illegal immigrants are clogging up the hospital. 1.00

00:03:14.340 These illegals are coming in sick with some diseases that we didn't even know existed in the United States anymore. 0.99

00:03:21.560 And they're speaking so many different languages.

00:03:24.400 It is not just Spanish anymore.

00:03:26.120 It's like the United Nations down there.

00:03:27.920 And the hospital has to divert time from patients to go find translators for every language under the sun, from Russian to Cyrillic to Mandarin, you name it.

00:03:40.620 1,900 migrants were treated during the last surge.

00:03:44.340 At just this one hospital in Yuma.

00:03:46.560 And many of them were admitted due to pregnancy.

00:03:51.000 These illegals are coming in pregnant, oftentimes so that they can have anchor babies and take advantage of our entitlement systems. 1.00

00:03:59.900 In fact, the Mexican illegals in particular like to cross the border, have their babies in America, then go back and live in Mexico where it's cheaper, all the while sending their kids to our schools, collecting our welfare, utilizing all of the privileges that we ought to preciously hold for Americans. 0.99

00:04:23.820 Now, the cartels do this a lot.

00:04:27.820 They actually go have their mamacitas, have the next generation of cartel talent born in our country. 0.99

00:04:34.120 And some of these kids, these students, these minors that are going from Mexico to the United States are carrying and smuggling fentanyl because they know if they have not reached the age of majority, there will be a different penalty structure.

00:04:48.840 So they bake that into their business plan.

00:04:52.300 This is why.

00:04:53.500 I am going to lead the fight in the Congress to end birthright citizenship by fraud. 0.75

00:04:59.360 And a lot of Republicans don't talk like that.

00:05:01.580 But President Trump did, and he was right.

00:05:04.820 Birthright citizenship is not this universally accepted construct in the Western world.

00:05:10.200 It just isn't.

00:05:11.540 And we ought to protect and care about our birthright so much that we don't just hand it out willy-nilly.

00:05:18.900 Americans continue to see our citizenship that is precious diluted.

00:05:25.820 And this happens as our services are strained.

00:05:29.300 The hospital beds that these illegals are taking are forcing American mothers to either wait to give birth in cases where you have a scheduled inducement 0.99

00:05:37.920 or have babies at home.

00:05:41.540 Terrible.

00:05:42.140 These Americans are paying taxes oftentimes to support the health care in their communities.

00:05:47.600 And yet, it's being overrun.

00:05:52.000 Now, the hospital we visited doesn't have enough neonatal intensive care unit beds to support all of the illegal alien babies and the babies who are there as a consequence of the citizens. 1.00

00:06:07.920 And legal residents of Yuma.

00:06:10.700 That is because 25% of illegal births end up in the NICU.

00:06:16.700 Let me say that again.

00:06:18.240 25% of the births that these illegal migrants are having and engaged in, 25%, one in four, require the NICU. 0.57

00:06:28.360 It's really something.

00:06:30.260 Way higher, obviously, than the average that we see as the standard of care in the United States.

00:06:36.700 This is why some NICU babies are being sent hours away to the closest hospital all the way in Phoenix.

00:06:42.860 It's 170 miles away.

00:06:44.720 So just imagine the fear and the wave of emotion that parents have to go through when they're traveling 170 miles away to a NICU bed in Phoenix.

00:06:56.340 I cannot imagine putting people in such a vulnerable situation in life itself in a worse position.

00:07:04.480 So watch this clip from our field hearing where we discuss the NICU situation with the president of the Yuma Regional Medical Center, Dr. Robert Trenchell-Ticolison.

00:07:17.840 Now, Dr. Trenchell, about one in four of the migrants who use birthing services at your hospital need neonatal intensive care unit services.

00:07:26.920 NICU, right?

00:07:27.680 That is true, yes.

00:07:28.520 And that rate, one in four, is way higher than with the non-migrant population, right?

00:07:33.660 Very much higher, correct.

00:07:34.380 And you've got about 20 beds at any given time.

00:07:36.740 Correct.

00:07:37.100 And they fill up sometimes, don't they?

00:07:39.000 Yes, they do.

00:07:39.440 And so when you have those beds that are full up because of the pressure of these migrant communities, 1.00

00:07:44.920 where do you have to send the residents of Yuma when they have a baby that needs NICU?

00:07:51.200 We would have to fly them to Phoenix or another venue.

00:07:54.020 And that's 170 miles away?

00:07:55.900 Yes, it is.

00:07:56.460 There are few prayers that I have ever seen more sincere and deeper than the prayers of parents when their little babies are at the NICU.

00:08:08.040 And for all the folks on the left who want to lecture to us about how humane an open border is,

00:08:13.900 there is nothing humane about putting a parent on a 170-mile journey when they need NICU services.

00:08:19.700 So we're back live in just one hospital in Yuma alone.

00:08:26.960 There's $26 million in uncompensated care that the hospital just has to eat as a consequence of these illegal aliens. 1.00

00:08:33.900 Who knows how many Americans haven't gotten the care that they need to stay alive?

00:08:42.160 Why should Americans pay astronomically high hospital bills when illegals are getting treated for free? 1.00

00:08:47.500 They don't even get a bill.

00:08:48.900 They just go in and it's socialized medicine for them.

00:08:53.140 It's not sustainable.

00:08:55.000 And it's not fair.

00:08:56.000 Misguided charities also play their role.

00:09:00.280 They're getting illegal aliens into the hospital and then their work is done. 1.00

00:09:04.760 They just ditch them.

00:09:05.640 They're not part of the cost structure or the finance structure.

00:09:08.900 They just bring illegal aliens to the hospital, dump them off there. 1.00

00:09:13.060 The hospital staff told me that they're having to take extra shifts because they are so overwhelmed by this phenomenon.

00:09:19.100 And part of the reason they're so overburdened is because they aren't allowed to discharge illegal alien patients when there's follow-up care or outpatient care needed. 0.94

00:09:30.380 That's because we don't know where the migrants will show up next.

00:09:33.420 So think about that.

00:09:34.540 Two patients.

00:09:35.300 Patient A, patient B.

00:09:36.980 They both present precisely the same symptoms.

00:09:39.660 They get exactly the same care and they would both be ready for discharge.

00:09:42.700 They'll discharge the non-illegal alien, but if there's like a two- or three-day follow-up that's medically necessary afterwards,

00:09:52.240 they don't really believe that the illegal alien maybe is going to come back or whatever.

00:09:57.620 They don't want to get sued for not providing aftercare.

00:09:59.840 So they will keep that person in the hospital bed, meaning that it's not available for an American citizen.

00:10:06.540 And all the while we're bending over backwards for illegals, I'm told the stories of how ungrateful some of them are. 0.99

00:10:15.400 Not all, but some.

00:10:17.380 Time and again, I heard stories in Yuma that some of the Haitians that are crossing our southern border are behaving the worst.

00:10:25.900 They demand that the hospital staff, in some cases, secure their travel to a destination of their choice.

00:10:32.040 Because it's not like, it's not a travel agency.

00:10:36.920 It's a hospital.

00:10:38.300 Some of these Haitian immigrants have even threatened cab drivers. 0.84

00:10:41.900 They destroy the motels and hospitals that had been resourced for them.

00:10:47.720 Think about that.

00:10:48.480 The hospital goes and they're treating a family member.

00:10:52.020 They get a motel or hotel bed for other family members and they go and trash the place.

00:10:56.560 I'm starting to understand why Haiti is such a mess. 1.00

00:10:59.020 But the trip did not end there.

00:11:01.100 Next, we visited a food bank and we met with the chairwoman of the food bank and local farmers that were generous enough to donate their extra crop to this non-profit out of community service and duty and obligation.

00:11:14.500 The chairwoman of this food bank started off telling us how ungrateful so many of the migrants are. 1.00

00:11:20.580 Apparently, the migrants are picky about the type of food they want to eat and how much they get. 0.90

00:11:25.360 Unsurprisingly, oftentimes, we were told that it's the Haitians who are the worst offenders again.

00:11:34.240 Everywhere they go, we seem to hear similar complaints. 0.92

00:11:39.880 Meanwhile, as if dealing with this mess wasn't enough for the food bank, they're understaffed.

00:11:44.360 And I kept thinking an obvious good solution here would be to have work requirements.

00:11:49.620 If people are able to provide something to contribute or help, that they should get the benefit of that holistic engagement with the food bank.

00:12:01.520 I think, federally, if you want other people to pay for your Medicaid or your SNAP or your food stamps or whatever, there should be work requirements for able-bodied adults.

00:12:13.680 Not the sick, not the infirm, not senior citizens. 0.52

00:12:17.120 But, like, able-bodied adults who want help from others that are able to volunteer at a food bank, like the one I went to in Yuma, Arizona, should do so.

00:12:26.580 Mexico has work requirements.

00:12:30.600 Mexico.

00:12:31.220 So why can't we?

00:12:32.720 You want food from the food bank?

00:12:34.940 Get to work.

00:12:37.080 The poor farmers we met with, oh, my gosh. 0.79

00:12:40.580 They tell me that they have to destroy massive amounts of crop every season because illegal aliens tread through their fields and defecate everywhere.

00:12:51.860 When even so much as a human footprint is found, these farmers have to destroy all the crops in a five-foot radius.

00:13:01.200 They put up no trespassing signs, but, of course, that doesn't stop illegal immigration.

00:13:06.300 The people across the border illegally don't have much respect for private property rights. 0.97

00:13:10.480 I can assure you of that.

00:13:12.600 The Biden administration and Secretary Mayorkas need to step up and protect our farmers and our food supply and the safety of what we're eating.

00:13:20.240 Chances are, if you're eating a green leafy vegetable that grows during the winter months, you're probably eating something farmed around our southern border.

00:13:29.260 This is not a joke.

00:13:30.960 And our current administration is treating it like one.

00:13:34.680 Now, for the grand finale, we visited the border itself, and it, too, was shocking.

00:13:40.040 We headed out at about 3 a.m. and immediately ran into a large group of illegals being processed at a gap in our wall.

00:13:47.840 Now, why would there be a gap in the wall?

00:13:50.360 It's because where President Trump's wall runs right up to an Indian reservation.

00:13:56.080 And lo and behold, we had a recalcitrant Indian tribe that said no wall through the area that adjoins our reservation. 1.00

00:14:04.700 And the result is that we know where to go every night where we're going to find hundreds of people coming through a drop house.

00:14:11.380 Now, these weren't Mexicans.

00:14:13.780 They were Central Americans, Georgians, Dominicans, Chinese, and others.

00:14:22.920 This is new.

00:14:23.940 I had not seen a whole lot of Chinese in the migrant populations previously.

00:14:29.420 Now, Border Patrol agents were telling me that 9 out of every 10 groups has someone from China.

00:14:35.720 Think about that.

00:14:36.560 Watch this footage that we took that night in Yuma.

00:14:40.200 Listen to what we uncovered.

00:14:41.380 Play the clip.

00:14:57.260 So, we're hearing from the Border Patrol that these groups are never homogenous.

00:15:02.020 It's never all from one country.

00:15:04.640 Here, you've got people from South America.

00:15:07.820 You've got folks from Asia, China.

00:15:18.820 China.

00:15:19.420 China? 0.73

00:15:19.820 Yeah.

00:15:20.140 Beijing.

00:15:20.740 Beijing, where from China?

00:15:21.920 Shenzhen.

00:15:23.220 Shenzhen.

00:15:23.700 Shenzhen.

00:15:23.900 Shenzhen.

00:15:24.440 From hometown flying into Turkey, and then following the South America.

00:15:33.540 South America.

00:15:35.220 So they went from China to Turkey?

00:15:37.620 Yeah.

00:15:38.020 To South America?

00:15:38.880 Yeah.

00:15:39.560 None of these folks look like they've had a particularly arduous trek.

00:15:44.160 What you'd say a lot of times these are people?

00:15:45.980 Three to five days maximum.

00:15:48.220 They fly from their country of origin to Mexico City, Mexico City to Mexicali.

00:15:52.480 Some of them actually fly into Tijuana and then they take an Uber.

00:15:55.220 That's where the majority of the Russians are going. 1.00

00:15:56.840 It's a better flight.

00:15:58.280 Just this side, there's a large date grove of trees right there.

00:16:02.000 And inside of that is one of the drop houses.

00:16:05.500 And so they will come from the Mexicali airport.

00:16:07.720 They will wait right there and then they will cross in groups.

00:16:11.420 I mean, how many people do you think have been processed through that drop house?

00:16:15.520 Because you and I have been to this exact spot.

00:16:17.920 500,000 people.

00:16:20.100 At a minimum of $6,000 a person.

00:16:24.080 Right?

00:16:24.900 At a minimum.

00:16:26.040 ¿Cuánto pagaron para llegar aquí?

00:16:28.560 ¿En pesos o en moneda nacional?

00:16:30.160 Como dos millones.

00:16:32.520 Dos millones.

00:16:33.780 About $77,000 is what they paid.

00:16:36.380 $77,000?

00:16:37.520 Yeah.

00:16:38.660 That's a lot of money.

00:16:39.740 That's a lot of money.

00:16:40.820 ¿Y dónde vas?

00:16:42.320 En familia.

00:16:43.460 Matt.

00:16:44.420 ¿En qué estado?

00:16:46.580 Florida.

00:16:47.380 Florida.

00:16:48.300 ¿En qué ciudad?

00:16:50.220 Florida.

00:16:51.560 Soy de Florida.

00:16:53.020 ¿Dónde?

00:16:53.600 Miami Beach.

00:16:54.420 Florida Beach.

00:16:54.980 It said Florida Beach.

00:16:56.540 ¿Veres?

00:16:58.000 ¿Veres?

00:16:58.520 What is this sheet of paper everyone seems to be holding?

00:17:01.700 They all seem to be holding kind of a similar paperwork.

00:17:05.240 And that probably is their travel itinerary.

00:17:08.180 So they can prove where they've been.

00:17:09.600 Because this is, hey, we just got here.

00:17:11.880 We haven't been in a safe country.

00:17:14.300 Are these people all going to say, I'm here seeking asylum?

00:17:17.200 Only 35% are claiming asylum.

00:17:19.800 So what are the rest of them?

00:17:20.580 The rest of them are just...

00:17:21.980 What's the permission structure to allow the rest of them to not be detained or moved?

00:17:25.800 We should ask the president that.

00:17:28.500 And how many hours will most of these people be released to me in...

00:17:32.420 48 hours.

00:17:33.540 48 hours.

00:17:34.620 I mean, the 100 plus certainly that you see here will be walking among our fellow Americans.

00:17:40.220 We are back live.

00:17:48.240 The live stream was fired up with that report.

00:17:51.620 Peter on Facebook has seen enough and wants to see articles of impeachment.

00:17:56.220 I think he's talking about Joe Biden.

00:17:58.540 But certainly Mayorkas deserves impeachment. 0.83

00:18:00.760 But I'll give you the tea.

00:18:02.720 We do not have the votes to impeach Joe Biden or Mayorkas right now.

00:18:06.540 We have a four-seat majority.

00:18:08.660 And if there's going to be a sincere impeachment effort regarding the border, and by the way,

00:18:13.520 there should be, the American people have to get on their members of Congress and on their

00:18:18.480 senators to indicate that that is their demand.

00:18:22.100 And the people have to demand that or it will not happen.

00:18:24.660 Washington will not generate that outcome.

00:18:26.880 Ed on Rumble says, finish the wall.

00:18:29.600 And one thing I could tell you, you didn't see these massive groups of hundreds of people

00:18:35.160 coming where there was wall.

00:18:37.820 The wall and the wheel, the two things that will never go out of style.

00:18:41.880 Now, what's interesting from that video, you will see, is that these were not poor huddled

00:18:46.220 masses yearning to breathe free air.

00:18:48.660 These are people wearing designer jackets, nice shoes.

00:18:51.800 They paid tens of thousands of dollars to cartels to be allowed to cross.

00:18:55.580 These illegals likely flew into Mexico several days before and ubered to a cartel stash house 0.76

00:19:04.280 before they crossed.

00:19:05.580 That is how broken our system is.

00:19:08.940 And these aren't even the worst of the illegals. 0.78

00:19:11.580 Border Patrol tells me that some illegals who can't afford the trip are forced to have to

00:19:17.200 make a deal with the cartel.

00:19:19.640 Maybe they have to carry drugs. 0.65

00:19:21.080 Maybe they have to become unindentured servants after they cross. 1.00

00:19:24.160 Some are even raped to exact that last toll before they cross.

00:19:31.540 When we do not secure our border, we are perpetrating rape and smuggling and human slavery.

00:19:40.360 And the funny thing is, securing our border shouldn't be hard.

00:19:44.760 It isn't for a whole lot of countries on the planet Earth.

00:19:47.980 The Biden administration has turned the Border Patrol into a concierge service for illegal aliens.

00:19:55.320 They meet the illegals at the border, usher them into the country, give them paperwork 1.00

00:20:00.320 that allows them to get a job and work.

00:20:03.620 And they let them loose in our neighborhoods and in our communities.

00:20:07.100 The only thing stopping Border Patrol from doing their job and securing their border

00:20:11.640 is the political will of political leaders.

00:20:14.880 Because the people who work at Border Patrol, they have patriotism and will and determination

00:20:22.220 to get the job done.

00:20:23.580 But we have them shackled to a broken system.

00:20:28.220 Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas told local leaders that he would plug the gaps

00:20:33.160 in the wall and secure the border.

00:20:35.800 But apparently that was just talk.

00:20:37.540 Listen to this exchange I had with the supervisor of District 2 in Yuma County, Jonathan Lyons.

00:20:43.980 Take a listen.

00:20:46.900 Supervisor Lyons, we hear Secretary Mayorkas come to us all the time on the Judiciary Committee

00:20:53.320 and testify that the most important partnerships above all else for the Department of Homeland Security

00:21:00.580 are the partnerships with local officials.

00:21:04.040 We hear it time and again.

00:21:05.540 And so here is my simple question for you.

00:21:08.260 Has Secretary Mayorkas ever lied to you?

00:21:11.460 Yes.

00:21:13.000 And what was the substance of that lie?

00:21:15.840 So the mayor and I had the opportunity to visit with Secretary Mayorkas and the Yuma sector chief

00:21:22.380 as well as the chief of the entire Border Patrol at sector headquarters almost a year ago.

00:21:28.660 And during that meeting, he committed to, after reviewing the border, both from the ground and the air,

00:21:35.400 to specifically address, quote, unquote, nine of the 11 Yuma gaps.

00:21:42.060 And how many of those gaps have been addressed?

00:21:44.380 To date so far, none.

00:21:47.140 We see infrastructure on two, and yet they will not deter anyone.

00:21:52.480 This is my fourth time here with you.

00:21:54.400 I think if I come any more often, I'm going to be eligible to vote in Yuma.

00:21:57.080 Thank you for coming back, Matt.

00:21:59.180 But in these circumstances, it seems as though it's not a great mystery where the pressure points are,

00:22:06.000 where we have gaps in the wall, and where we have recalcitrant tribes.

00:22:10.220 And so in those circumstances, should we observe that this is a lack of capability

00:22:17.260 or a lack of will to go and plug those holes?

00:22:20.300 A lack of will.

00:22:20.900 Well, we've followed up multiple times, as well as Yuma Sector Border Patrol staff and with undersecretaries.

00:22:28.820 And we were told time and time again that they were issuing contracts,

00:22:32.280 that we would have it no later than June of last year, then no later than September,

00:22:36.660 then no later than November, every time it kept getting pushed out.

00:22:40.680 So would a reasonable person observe that this is on purpose?

00:22:43.840 My wife says I'm not a very patient person, but I was patient every time that I called,

00:22:49.820 and they continued to push this process out.

00:22:54.940 It's not reasonable.

00:22:56.220 Well, the American people are losing their patience.

00:22:58.640 We ought to be losing ours.

00:23:00.280 And while we greatly appreciate the three of you being here to answer our questions,

00:23:04.440 the day will come soon when Secretary Mayorkas has to come and answer our questions.

00:23:08.860 And to my colleagues, if he'll lie to Mr. Lyons and lie to the community here,

00:23:14.400 then he will lie to us and he will lie to the American people.

00:23:17.700 And that's why I'm very proud to co-sponsor Representatives Big's articles of impeachment

00:23:22.100 against Secretary Mayorkas, because this is not a lack of ability.

00:23:26.360 It is a lack of will.

00:23:30.880 There you have it.

00:23:32.600 Mayorkas lied through his teeth. 0.58

00:23:34.520 He has no intention of doing this job.

00:23:36.920 So Congress needs to do its job and impeach him.

00:23:40.200 We need to hold the executive branch accountable.

00:23:43.600 For real.

00:23:44.960 Lives and livelihoods are at stake.

00:23:47.080 Think about those parents who can't get access to their NICU beds, if nothing else.

00:23:51.840 The crisis at our southern border is unsustainable.

00:23:55.400 It's time we found the will to put a stop to the madness,

00:23:58.560 and we need to secure our borders, and we must do it immediately.

00:24:02.560 The time to act has but passed.

00:24:05.340 And any Republican who refuses to do our critical oversight work

00:24:10.780 is certainly not serving the interests of their constituents.

00:24:14.860 Now, one member who is, is my good friend, Congressman Chip Roy of Texas.

00:24:19.920 And there's specific legislation.

00:24:21.940 So in the first part of the show here, we've gone through the problem,

00:24:25.120 laying it out, where the blame lies, what the consequences are.

00:24:28.660 But I want you to get an understanding of what the possible solutions are,

00:24:32.580 who's backing them, and who's standing in the way.

00:24:35.380 This is my conversation moments ago with Chip Roy of Texas.

00:24:40.980 We're here with Chip Roy of Texas.

00:24:43.220 Congressman Roy, describe the legislation you have put forward to deal with this border crisis.

00:24:48.020 Yeah, great to be with you, Matt.

00:24:49.000 Thanks for everything you do.

00:24:50.240 I put together a bill last year, in the last Congress.

00:24:53.360 I introduced it last fall.

00:24:54.360 Well, it is in this Congress, H.R. 29.

00:24:58.400 And the bill's purpose was actually to try to capitalize on the fact that all Republicans seem to agree

00:25:04.880 that we should enforce Title 42 during a pandemic.

00:25:07.980 So my thinking was, why should that be limited to pandemic, right?

00:25:12.100 Why don't we want to have the Secretary of Homeland Security have the power to be able to say,

00:25:17.440 hey, if we've got a flood at our border, maybe we should be able to say we can use the same power

00:25:22.660 that we were using under Title 42 and that President Trump very successfully used in his administration

00:25:28.680 to turn away at the border unless you've got the capacity and the beds and the ability to process asylum claims.

00:25:37.160 That's it.

00:25:37.900 It's an end encounter and release bill.

00:25:40.460 It's a follow existing laws bill.

00:25:43.200 And the vast majority of Republicans, and certainly our constituents, fully support it.

00:25:47.640 It's a handful that are raising some questions, and hopefully we'll go through regular ordering committees.

00:25:51.520 Yeah, no, I want to understand the objections and lay them out in a moment.

00:25:54.440 But first, everyone gets it.

00:25:55.840 Is it fair to assume then that if the royal legislation were a law that everyone we encountered at the border,

00:26:02.380 we would either detain or turn away?

00:26:05.280 Correct.

00:26:05.860 And again, I want to be very clear.

00:26:07.200 That is analogous to how we're enforcing Title 42 under the pandemic laws.

00:26:13.200 But also inconsistent with what President Trump was doing with respect to the return to Mexico migrant protection protocols.

00:26:19.660 Saying, hey, if we're not going to be able to process you, you're going to stay there.

00:26:24.080 And then we'll do the best we can to process you.

00:26:26.260 And guess what?

00:26:26.880 The numbers plummeted.

00:26:28.100 Yeah, if we had detain or turn away, how would Mexico respond?

00:26:32.580 Would they let everyone just traverse their country?

00:26:34.840 Of course not.

00:26:35.520 Of course not.

00:26:36.100 And by the way, when they say, well, Mexico wouldn't agree to do this.

00:26:38.960 Of course they would if we say so.

00:26:40.500 Right?

00:26:40.620 That's what President Trump did.

00:26:41.620 He basically told them, hey, we're going to actually affect trade policy.

00:26:46.420 We could say, for example, we're going to shut down, you know, traffic coming across I-35 in Texas or the gas lines or whatever you want to do and get Mexico to the table. 0.99

00:26:55.040 But they'll do it.

00:26:56.020 They have to do it.

00:26:57.280 And at the end of the day, it would be better for migrants. 0.98

00:26:59.740 It would be better for Americans.

00:27:01.140 I'm sitting sick and tired of Americans dying from fentanyl and little girls and little kids getting sold into the sex trafficking and human trafficking trade because we refuse to do our job.

00:27:09.820 Do you think that the detain or turn away policy gets communicated internally with the cartels and the human trafficking networks?

00:27:19.660 Of course, because here's the thing, and the human beings involved, who's going to want to pay $5,000 or $10,000 to a cartel to be transported up to the border to then be told, sorry, you can't come in and claim asylum and get released.

00:27:34.560 They're, in fact, going to go through the whole effort of processing it.

00:27:38.060 We just got data that for fiscal year 22, when they looked at all the reports, that it was about 10% of the total that had any kind of an asylum claim that would allow them to come in.

00:27:49.380 And that's probably a pretty liberal interpretation of it, to be honest.

00:27:53.480 But at the end of the day, there are people who deserve it.

00:27:55.860 For example, I was in South Florida, and I got picked up in an Uber.

00:27:59.080 Nice guy.

00:27:59.620 He heard me on an interview with AP talking about HR-29 and asylum.

00:28:02.780 And so I hang up, and he goes, so what was that all about?

00:28:07.920 And I said, well, talking about asylum policy.

00:28:10.500 And he said to me, I came from Venezuela.

00:28:12.780 I was in the military in Venezuela.

00:28:14.980 I came to the United States three years ago with my wife and two kids.

00:28:18.120 While I was here, my friend in the military, who was contra the government like I was, was beheaded and killed.

00:28:24.800 He then claimed asylum.

00:28:26.740 You know what?

00:28:27.300 That's what it's for.

00:28:28.860 When someone you know is going to be persecuted,

00:28:30.820 they're going to be targeted by government for their political beliefs or religious beliefs.

00:28:34.700 You and I both believe, and Americans believe, compassionate country, help them.

00:28:38.440 It is not a come here, flood into the country, turn our country upside down,

00:28:42.780 and then make a mockery of the entire rule of law.

00:28:45.540 That guy, his name was Daniel, he asked me, what do you do?

00:28:48.080 I said, I'm in Congress.

00:28:49.100 He goes, are you Republican or Democrat?

00:28:50.280 I said, Republican.

00:28:51.000 He put a thumbs up.

00:28:51.980 He said, good.

00:28:52.760 And he goes, you've got to protect this country, because where else would I go?

00:28:55.920 Some of our Republican colleagues have said that your turn away or detain policy guts asylum,

00:29:02.760 and that doesn't provide asylum for people who are worthy.

00:29:06.160 And that's the reason we have Republicans, Texas Republicans, matter of fact,

00:29:10.940 saying that they're not going to vote for your bill for that reason.

00:29:13.560 What's your response?

00:29:14.720 Well, it's Texas Republican.

00:29:16.480 It's one.

00:29:17.460 But the response is simply this.

00:29:19.260 It doesn't touch asylum law.

00:29:21.400 It doesn't.

00:29:21.880 It doesn't change the existing laws whatsoever with respect to someone being able to come to this country and claim asylum.

00:29:27.960 What it does is simply says you cannot be released into the United States until and unless we adjudicate your claim for asylum to make sure it's real.

00:29:37.580 So right now, if someone – the people who show up tonight at Eagle Pass and come across,

00:29:43.040 they'll all say we're here for our official protection.

00:29:45.560 And when you're under the Roy doctrine, we'd say, okay, very well.

00:29:51.020 So you go wait to – in Mexico or some other safe third country for that assessment to be made.

00:29:57.040 Correct.

00:29:57.320 Or until we have the judges lined up, if that's in three months or six months, we'll pull you in and we'll then make your claim and process it.

00:30:04.400 But look, what would – here's the truth, though.

00:30:06.760 The numbers would drop precipitously so that the people who have legitimate claims would still be able to come here and find a bed.

00:30:14.040 Yeah, in a lot of ways, the people with legitimate asylum claims are the victims of an overflooded system where they can never get that adjudication because you've got people who –

00:30:22.620 I mean, let's face it.

00:30:23.480 For most of our lives, people have come to the United States across the southern border for fundamentally the same reason.

00:30:28.340 Life where they live is not as good as life here.

00:30:30.740 Correct.

00:30:31.200 And you know what?

00:30:31.700 God bless them for it.

00:30:32.800 Neither do you nor I begrudge them.

00:30:33.740 I don't blame them.

00:30:34.880 No.

00:30:35.240 I blame us.

00:30:36.140 And, by the way, by doing what we're doing, we're weakening our fellow neighbors in Central America and South America and the Western Hemisphere.

00:30:44.220 We should be exporting the rule of law, having a strong world in the Western Hemisphere.

00:30:48.360 That would push back on China without having to have endless wars abroad in the name of who knows what. 0.94

00:30:53.400 And we should have a strong border for our betterment and their betterment and migrants' betterment. 0.99

00:30:57.960 This is – frankly, it's much ado about nothing.

00:31:00.340 But people are trying to wrongly claim things about this bill that are scaring people away and it's intentional.

00:31:06.480 And that's the way this town works.

00:31:07.700 So let's talk about the Republican strategy on this because I would put up your bill and I would be willing to allow it to fail even if we didn't have the votes.

00:31:16.660 And you know what?

00:31:17.100 Today we probably don't, to be honest.

00:31:18.860 We probably do not have the votes to pass your bill.

00:31:20.840 But I would like the American people to see who is willing to vote for detain or turn away where the objections are and then let's suss those out.

00:31:28.700 And you know what? If we have to come back in a few weeks or a few months and attempt another bill, then we'll have to do that.

00:31:34.420 Correct.

00:31:35.020 Why will that not happen?

00:31:37.240 Well, I'm still hopeful that it could happen.

00:31:40.160 But I think it's because in this town, everybody's always looking to figure out how they can get the perfect scenario.

00:31:46.240 And we only want to put forward things that everybody can vote for because it might hurt them in an election rather than saying, look, we just want to advance good policy.

00:31:53.820 You're going to have to either decide if you're with it or not.

00:31:56.200 And sometimes you've got to take tough votes.

00:31:58.060 I voted against a measure today on the floor that I generally supported the structure for, but I didn't think it went far enough.

00:32:05.060 It exempted the ability for us to get reports about how inflation is caused by national security or emergency-related spending.

00:32:13.240 I don't like our defense guys and others to be able to hide behind those important things to spend money we don't have.

00:32:19.900 Sometimes you've got to take tough votes in order to get change.

00:32:22.280 Yeah, I even think the money we're sending to Ukraine is inflationary because that cash makes its way back into U.S. real estate markets through corrupt bank accounts in Switzerland and Dubai.

00:32:33.620 It's also like our friend Thomas Massey would say.

00:32:35.480 It's like every time you're printing money, which is where that money is coming from, we're printing it.

00:32:38.940 We're not offsetting it.

00:32:40.040 Then you're actually diluting the value of our dollars, which is effectively a tax.

00:32:43.160 You can buy fewer goods and services because of it.

00:32:45.080 What border bill do you think this Republican team could pass?

00:32:49.060 Because I'm starting to worry that the only border security bill that would have 218 votes today would just be legislation to increase the efficiency of processing people into our country.

00:33:01.020 Yeah, so that's the real problem, right?

00:33:02.460 So we'll watch and see what happens, what comes out of the Homeland Security Committee, even if it's in good faith.

00:33:06.940 To say, well, we need some more dollars and some more vehicles and some more technology and more spending for more Border Patrol agents and may be able to give them, you know, retention bonuses.

00:33:15.560 I can support some of those policies, but only if it's in conjunction with the policies that you need to provide Border Patrol to actually do their job.

00:33:24.600 Because otherwise what you're paying for is more processing.

00:33:27.400 You're paying for more flow.

00:33:28.820 You're paying for more profits for cartels because you're incentivizing people coming to our country. 0.72

00:33:34.060 Because your policy literally is encounter and release.

00:33:38.300 And that just says to the cartels, keep them coming.

00:33:40.780 There are only three things you can do with people.

00:33:43.680 Turn them away, detain them, or release them into your country. 1.00

00:33:46.520 Right.

00:33:46.900 And you're saying that that list of three should be reduced down to two.

00:33:50.140 Correct.

00:33:50.920 And look, it's one of those things where right now people don't understand we're using a power of parole to release people into the United States,

00:33:58.840 which literally says in the statute, case-by-case basis for special circumstances, something to those words.

00:34:06.360 And this administration is just using parole to bring in blocks of people directly contrary to law.

00:34:12.080 And then we're releasing people at the border directly contrary to law.

00:34:16.180 Our bill is designed to try to force us to actually adhere to the law.

00:34:19.800 That's nothing more, nothing less.

00:34:21.340 Yeah, it's really not that complicated at all.

00:34:23.540 Three pages.

00:34:23.800 Yeah, it takes three options down to two.

00:34:26.160 So one of the other arguments Republican colleagues make is we have to take whatever the, you know, border hawk, Chip Roy theory of the case is,

00:34:34.320 and we have to lash that to some feature of amnesty.

00:34:37.560 Right.

00:34:37.800 Maybe DACA, maybe some work permit pathway to citizenship for people that have been doing that for a while.

00:34:47.380 What is your assessment of how much amnesty can be traded for how much border security?

00:34:52.680 So remember, and I just think it's important for your listeners to remember, and you were here and I wasn't.

00:34:57.420 I was campaigning for my first time to come into office.

00:35:00.960 In the summer of 2018, they had the famous debate over the Goodlatte bill in July.

00:35:05.660 Most Americans wouldn't know it that way, but we just had a fight over border security and immigration.

00:35:10.300 Little known to most people is that almost every Republican, including Freedom Caucus members and conservatives, voted for an amnesty.

00:35:18.080 They actually voted for it, 800,000 for DACA recipients, the kids, almost a million, as part of a package to try to improve our immigration system,

00:35:27.440 end chain migration, end the diversity visas, fix it so it's skilled labor, and have an actual border security solution,

00:35:33.420 which would have prevented a lot of what we're seeing now.

00:35:35.500 But it fell short because the Republican leadership at the time, fully in the hip pocket of the Chamber of Commerce, wanted something a lot softer.

00:35:42.720 And so the idea that we get attacked often and saying, you guys are just closed-minded, you'll never compromise, not true.

00:35:49.380 We literally compromised that summer for an amnesty for a million people.

00:35:54.760 Look, this time, we are not going to start with amnesty.

00:35:58.340 That is a non-starter.

00:35:59.400 So DACA is a poison pill to any border security bill.

00:36:02.520 We should not go down that road until we secure the border of the United States.

00:36:06.060 Ronald Reagan in 1986, he says, one of his biggest mistakes, which was cutting a deal for a future promise of security for an amnesty then.

00:36:13.980 We are not going to go down that road.

00:36:15.820 That is non-starter.

00:36:16.900 Our job is to secure the border of the United States.

00:36:19.000 Pathway to citizenship is a non-starter?

00:36:20.760 It is a non-starter for me.

00:36:22.020 Pathway to legal status.

00:36:23.000 We can have that conversation after we secure the border.

00:36:26.280 We're not going to play that game anymore.

00:36:27.600 The American people are tired of that game.

00:36:28.620 But in the first vote that we take, you're not going to take a first vote that isn't a border security bill, full stop.

00:36:36.760 Correct.

00:36:37.500 I completely agree with that assessment.

00:36:39.560 It's one that I think most of our viewers and listeners will agree with.

00:36:41.900 Chip, thanks for joining me.

00:36:42.660 Thanks for being a warrior, not just on the border, but on our fiscal issues that we face.

00:36:47.940 And I hope to have you on some time in the future to talk about war powers and how we put our country first.

00:36:53.460 Let's do it.

00:36:54.100 I think the AUMFO, too, is moving right now in the Senate.

00:36:56.920 Let's go do it.

00:36:57.480 We've got a lot of work to do, but thank you for being a voice for freedom and for standing up with the American people.

00:37:01.240 Sounds great.

00:37:02.080 Be back soon.

00:37:02.600 We'll be right back.

00:37:27.480 We'll be right back.

The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - March 01, 2023

Episode 91 LIVE： Detain or Remove (feat. Rep. Chip Roy) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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