The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 107 - Disrupting the Enemy’s Covert Operation w⧸ Pearson Sharp & Craig ＂Sawman＂ Sawyer

00:00:00.000 Now, it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Pearson Sharp.

00:00:16.840 Welcome back to another episode of Anchorman, and we have an incredible guest here for the

00:00:22.020 discussion today.

00:00:22.920 I'm joined, as always, by my friend and the host of The Sharp Report here on One American

00:00:27.600 News, Pearson Sharp.

00:00:28.480 I get to host the Matt Gaetz Show.

00:00:29.980 It's on at 9 o'clock Eastern, 6 Pacific.

00:00:32.120 And we have the Sawman with us, Sawman Sawyer.

00:00:35.320 We are so incredibly moved by your life's work, your experiences around child rescue.

00:00:43.180 Pearson, you did such a good job getting the Sawman here in studio.

00:00:47.600 Give us a little introduction and start off our conversation for us.

00:00:51.080 I don't think I could do it justice, honestly.

00:00:53.300 I mean, the history of this guy, it's unbelievable.

00:00:55.220 This is the American that we wish we all were, honestly.

00:00:58.600 He's fighting the fight that a lot of us can't fight.

00:01:02.260 A lot of us are too afraid to fight.

00:01:04.560 He's a Navy SEAL, Marine.

00:01:07.440 Now he rescues children.

00:01:09.360 And it's, he's, you know, people say this a lot, but he is absolutely doing God's work.

00:01:15.540 And I wish we had a million more men like you.

00:01:19.560 Sawman, you now are leading Vets for Child Rescue.

00:01:23.300 Give us a, give us a sense of what brought you to that critically important mission.

00:01:27.560 Yeah, well, I was just a busted up veteran and father when we were guys from several different

00:01:34.420 agencies.

00:01:34.860 We're sitting smoking cigars poolside in Houston, Texas one night.

00:01:40.180 And one of the guys from the intelligence community that I'd known for years began breaking

00:01:44.840 down for me, what he was learning about child trafficking in Houston and how the, the traffickers

00:01:51.960 enjoyed impunity there, very little enforcement and how bold and how pervasive the crime was.

00:01:59.380 And I'd grown up there and it felt very personal to me.

00:02:02.780 It felt like an invasion of the worst evil came to my hometown.

00:02:06.360 I felt like if there was a, an American flag that there was only one in the United States,

00:02:11.060 it should probably been right in the middle of our hometown.

00:02:13.020 I mean, that's how I felt about it.

00:02:14.660 And I felt, um, invaded.

00:02:17.480 I felt slapped in the face and, and I knew that that wasn't something that I could just

00:02:23.020 abide or that wasn't something that I could coexist with.

00:02:26.900 I knew that was something I had to fight.

00:02:29.240 I, you know, I'd grown up and gone to the highest level of counter-terrorist operations

00:02:33.400 because that was the worst evil that I, that I could perceive growing up is international 1.00

00:02:39.300 terrorism, hijacking planes and all that.

00:02:42.420 And so I went off the SEAL teams and up the dev grew and did as much of that as I could.

00:02:47.960 And then, um, I found myself learning about this.

00:02:51.400 I'm like, okay, this is my fight now.

00:02:53.660 And so I'm like, okay, by you guys description, I'm learning that this is a covert operation run

00:03:01.400 domestically at industrial scale.

00:03:04.320 And that means a lot of things to me for my background.

00:03:07.680 Uh, COVID operation-

00:03:08.220 How covert is it?

00:03:08.800 Because, because, uh, you know, when you were first learning of this dynamic,

00:03:12.760 was it surprising to you or were, were there clues around you that you were able to,

00:03:17.960 to, to kind of say, oh gosh, that's something we can, we can go after.

00:03:21.580 That's something we can, we can fix.

00:03:23.300 It was surprising to me because, uh, because I hadn't seen it.

00:03:26.820 I wasn't, I didn't perceive it.

00:03:28.680 And, you know, I was right in on special programs.

00:03:31.100 I had a high level clearance for 30 years.

00:03:33.640 I've been part of all kinds of things for different agencies.

00:03:37.020 And so I know what covert is.

00:03:38.720 And I'm like, I don't see it.

00:03:41.060 Talk me through it.

00:03:42.440 And he began talking me through it.

00:03:44.100 And that's why I'm like, USOBs, this is, you're doing this here to our children and my hometown.

00:03:51.140 And that's why I think it felt so personal and upsetting to me.

00:03:55.540 And so I'm like, okay, if it's a covert operation, the worst thing that I can do against it is compromise it.

00:04:02.900 Compromise the enemy's covert operation, meaning expose it for all the American people to see

00:04:08.800 and all the law enforcement to turn against.

00:04:11.040 And now the hunters become the hunted.

00:04:13.040 That's the dynamic I wanted to create, which we call a non-permissive environment in the covert realm.

00:04:18.280 See, I feel like most people, myself included, generally feel like when there's child trafficking

00:04:23.840 or human trafficking, it's small scale.

00:04:25.840 It's individual people who are just out for money or working with the cartel here and there.

00:04:30.320 You're talking about industrial scale.

00:04:32.880 Like, explain more of that.

00:04:35.160 Well, we're finding trafficking rings that are moving children in mass numbers.

00:04:39.800 Anytime that you have a tragedy, you've got war, you've got a hurricane, you've got an earthquake,

00:04:45.780 you have half a dozen NGOs that nobody ever heard of.

00:04:49.800 They have a lot of aircraft and a lot of buses right there.

00:04:52.140 We'll take the kids.

00:04:52.800 We'll take the kids.

00:04:53.620 And people are like, where are they taking the kids?

00:04:55.740 Don't worry about it.

00:04:56.600 We got them.

00:04:58.160 So what goes on with all that?

00:05:00.100 Where are the arrests?

00:05:01.040 Where are the investigations?

00:05:02.300 We don't quite know on a lot of it, but we're finding some of these trafficking rings that are moving

00:05:07.280 quite a few children at a time through locations where federal and local law enforcement

00:05:13.140 are both compromised or complicit.

00:05:16.440 So we're having to gain the evidence doing the investigations ourselves

00:05:20.740 and then take that smoking gun once we have it to the degree that where federal law enforcement

00:05:26.300 can't deny it, can't decline it lest they be exposed to and go and bring that.

00:05:31.400 So that's what we're gathering there.

00:05:32.820 And we'll see there are shipping companies, there are trucking companies,

00:05:36.620 there are harbor masters.

00:05:38.780 What we're finding essentially is that weak people will take the money

00:05:42.640 or desperate people will take the money to look away or to run a truck or to run security.

00:05:52.000 A lot of people are benefiting from there's a lot of money being generated.

00:05:57.640 So that begs the question, well, why is there so much money?

00:06:00.320 Why is it worth so much?

00:06:01.540 Well, there's organ harvesting, which it's worth a lot more than I would have expected.

00:06:07.560 But there's also on the darker side of it, there's one of the agents in that first meeting

00:06:11.860 told me, Craig, appreciate your enthusiasm, but this is ultimately it's a spiritually motivated crime.

00:06:19.940 And he goes, you may not believe me, but it's a spiritually protected crime.

00:06:22.820 And he goes, with your badge and gun and conventional investigations techniques,

00:06:27.300 you're going to find after years, you're only going to get so close.

00:06:30.260 You're never going to quite find what you're looking for until you learn to penetrate this spiritually.

00:06:35.580 And I knew from growing up under a strong pastor and man of God, I'd seen all kinds of miracles happen in our church.

00:06:44.400 My dad and a lot of his elders conducting these things.

00:06:49.600 So I know the supernatural realm is real.

00:06:52.800 I know the war between the forces of good and evil is real.

00:06:56.180 But I knew I wasn't that spiritual warrior that was going to be able to deal with this.

00:07:00.600 I'm like, I've got a lot of learning to do.

00:07:02.380 I've got to become one of these exorcist dudes, and I'm just a regular guy.

00:07:07.300 I've got to be a King David or a Joshua or something.

00:07:10.800 So I'm like, Father, how am I going to get there?

00:07:13.520 And so I began.

00:07:16.340 And in our investigations, we keep having it proven out how spiritual it is.

00:07:22.780 The Epstein files are proving it out. 0.60

00:07:24.500 If you read these people's communications, what they're hinting at, you're like, these are some sick people.

00:07:29.440 These are some destructive and hateful, yeah, where does that come from? 0.91

00:07:34.540 Violence, threats.

00:07:37.240 Yeah, so we've got one situation where we've got over 200 survivors of satanic ritual abuse.

00:07:43.680 Where was that?

00:07:46.040 Well, it's out of Utah.

00:07:48.460 I'll narrow it down to that point.

00:07:50.680 What were they doing?

00:07:51.460 In their childhood, they were put through torture scenarios and rituals for wealth and power by the elders of a particular religious institution.

00:08:04.660 Talk about the very senior elders.

00:08:07.720 And people believed—

00:08:08.980 Was it a satanic religion, or was it a religion purporting to be something else? 0.97

00:08:13.020 It was a religion under the banner of Jesus, but at the top was infiltrated and run by people that are literally robe-wearing, satanic, child-slaughtering monsters. 0.86

00:08:26.340 And there were hundreds of victims of this? 0.91

00:08:28.600 What years were they victimized?

00:08:30.240 We have access to hundreds.

00:08:31.520 Just from one source, we have multiple sources.

00:08:35.400 So there's no shortage of people who have been harmed by that institution.

00:08:39.920 That's just one institution.

00:08:41.180 And when you learn—

00:08:43.440 Wait a second, because this is too important.

00:08:45.900 What was this institution doing to protect the monsters?

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00:09:20.100 The people in that religion, basically, by my observation, they worship the religion more than they worship God.

00:09:31.900 They are more—it's a form of idolatry.

00:09:35.660 They're more willing and more determined to protect the institution because it generates so much wealth and power for them than they are to protect the children.

00:09:47.520 So even though there's a lot of child abuse within it, the children are made to be quiet.

00:09:53.760 There's one distant cousin of my wife's in Arizona.

00:09:58.760 He went to his parents, and he said, 0.98

00:10:01.400 Hey, the elder has been raping me. 0.93

00:10:05.880 And they said, We're going to send you to him, and you're going to apologize for saying such a mean thing about him. 0.99

00:10:12.480 And he was horrified.

00:10:13.520 He's since taken his life.

00:10:14.660 He told his story a couple years ago.

00:10:17.860 He came public with it.

00:10:18.940 Are you describing the LDS church?

00:10:20.800 I might be, yeah.

00:10:22.480 But I don't want to start throwing that card down until we can demonstrate we've got all of the evidence down to where we're really—

00:10:30.300 You are all over these trafficking networks.

00:10:33.160 And you made a point earlier I want to double tap, which is that when there are these mass casualty events or these disasters, wars, caravans where children are not accounted for, there is this funded NGO network.

00:10:49.880 And they look like they're there to save the children.

00:10:54.080 But really, they're there to do something very different, and that is to redistribute those children to the highest bidder, right?

00:11:02.040 I mean, is that what you're describing?

00:11:04.460 And if so, how many people do you think have been impacted by this?

00:11:07.660 Because I couldn't put a number on it, but we've seen the Catholic NGOs that were quite well exposed during the Biden administration when we just abandoned our southern border, and we had caravans bringing loads of people.

00:11:21.420 How many children was it that the Biden administration was called?

00:11:24.360 That was 325,000 that they admitted to.

00:11:28.500 So that's the scale that you're talking about?

00:11:30.380 Oh, yeah.

00:11:31.140 Yeah.

00:11:31.620 There's millions.

00:11:32.340 They've trafficked millions of children globally.

00:11:34.720 Well, talk us through how you disrupt this.

00:11:37.040 What do you and your sort of band of pirates emerging out of Houston do to stop this?

00:11:44.340 One of the things that we do are run sting operations. 0.92

00:11:47.000 So we'll find a DA that will prosecute, because George Soros funds the campaigns of DAs, attorneys general, and judges with the agreement that they will not prosecute sex crimes against children.

00:11:59.700 How that's not a glaring conflict of interest, I don't know.

00:12:03.100 But it's been discussed in open congressional session on C-SPAN and others.

00:12:07.840 It's not a theory.

00:12:09.960 It's something that we know is there, and yet it continues.

00:12:13.380 So I think, first of all, we have to break that stranglehold, that checkmate of our judicial system.

00:12:20.420 Well, it was what you said earlier about denying a permissive environment.

00:12:23.640 Yeah.

00:12:23.900 You said that was what you learned as a SEAL, and now that permissive environment is being created by prosecutors who don't want to enforce these very important laws.

00:12:31.240 Exactly.

00:12:31.480 But let's get to operationally, when you go into one of these things, what that looks like beyond selecting the right jurisdiction.

00:12:40.640 Yeah.

00:12:40.860 So once we have an identified DA that will prosecute, we'll usually have federal, state, and local law enforcement that will come up to nine agencies involved at a time, usually less.

00:12:52.760 I think nine is too many.

00:12:54.020 It gets a bit cumbersome.

00:12:55.860 But we'll run the operations.

00:12:57.540 We have a group of chatters who are usually all survivors of childhood sexual abuse and people who look young and sound young.

00:13:08.280 And we have other tools that we can utilize as well.

00:13:11.180 And they'll just put out benign profiles on different media apps.

00:13:16.480 And it's like, hi, I'm Sally, and I'm new to the neighborhood.

00:13:18.920 I like soccer or whatever. 0.99

00:13:20.640 And then within seconds, people will start sending them messages, and then vulgar messages, and then profane messages, and then pornographic pictures of this guy's genitalia. 0.97

00:13:33.200 Is there a particular app or a social network where this happens more frequently? 0.78

00:13:37.100 We've been learning a lot about roadblocks and how this has been used by predators to get access to young people.

00:13:43.200 But what would you tell parents about how these apps rank and if there are any tools that can help them protect their families?

00:13:50.100 Yeah, there's a lot of – the predators are going to go wherever they can.

00:13:53.120 So it's like nailing Jell-O to a wall.

00:13:56.420 Wherever you squish them and wherever you deny the predators, they're going to squirt somewhere else and use other apps.

00:14:03.120 So it's very fluid in that dynamic.

00:14:06.980 But we've got a list of apps on our website, v4cr.org, where you can go and see which ones are most problematic.

00:14:14.580 Make sure those aren't on your child's phone.

00:14:16.940 And if you're going to leave them there, make sure you know who your child is dealing with because some of these apps can surreptitiously, covertly be capturing video or stills of your child.

00:14:27.740 And if your child – some of them can geolocate your child.

00:14:31.500 So, you know, the Joe Predator is watching your child blink on his map as they're coming home from the school, you know, on the school bus and going to and get the mail or whatever, getting the paper.

00:14:42.160 Your child could be getting stalked.

00:14:43.900 Your child goes to the mall and the Predator can be like, oh, yeah, Sally's at the mall or little Joey's at the mall today.

00:14:48.860 These sound like apps designed for this to happen.

00:14:51.600 Some of them are.

00:14:52.220 Some of them are designed to look like one thing, but they're covertly something else.

00:14:57.040 And the children know that.

00:14:58.020 So the children hide their sexting with each other from their parents with these covert apps.

00:15:05.000 And so you really have to have a relationship with your child and have these conversations and say, I'm not really just trying to deny you all fun.

00:15:13.800 I'm trying to make sure you survive as a child in a time when there's a lot of predators that are after you on your smart devices.

00:15:21.120 Going off of that, and I asked you this earlier, but I wanted to talk about this on the show.

00:15:25.100 I have two young daughters, and this is like forefront of my mind now.

00:15:29.820 What are some tips, suggestions, things you can tell parents to help protect their kids, just not outside of apps, just generally?

00:15:37.440 Yeah, situational awareness, just like anything else.

00:15:41.340 Have your child learn to have their head up and out and their eyes scanning any space they move into.

00:15:47.400 Even online, who all's on there?

00:15:49.940 Who all can see you?

00:15:51.520 What do these apps do?

00:15:52.920 Encourage your child to increase their situational awareness just by asking questions of their environment.

00:16:00.640 Visually is a good standard to kind of teach them that.

00:16:04.540 I used to take my daughter to the grocery store, and I'd be like, just wait before we get out of the car and just watch these ladies come to and from. 1.00

00:16:12.600 Where are they looking?

00:16:13.340 And she's like, they're looking at their shoes, Papa.

00:16:15.720 I'm like, okay, if I was behind her in a big Barney suit stalking her, trying to scare her, she would never see me, would she?

00:16:22.060 And she's like, no, Papa.

00:16:23.040 I'm like, because she doesn't look around.

00:16:25.240 So don't be that lady, because that's dangerous. 1.00

00:16:28.380 And before you walk across the street in the bus, look at the bus driver's eyes to make sure he sees you and means to let you go.

00:16:33.960 Because what if he has a heart attack, seizure, or stroke, and he's asleep at the wheel, and he's going to run over you.

00:16:40.520 Some of these kids, they don't look.

00:16:41.800 They're like, I got the right of way.

00:16:43.300 I'm going to walk across the highway.

00:16:44.800 They don't even pay attention.

00:16:45.760 They're on their phone.

00:16:46.260 They walk across.

00:16:46.880 So that I like to say visually first, like if you allow your brain to drink in what's going on in the space, you walk out in the hallway, just look left and right, and your brain will pick up on something that's not right.

00:17:00.720 Like, ooh, there's violence there, something's wrong, something's burning.

00:17:04.940 Just scan and develop that basic technique, and then if something looks wrong, you can give it further scrutiny.

00:17:12.160 And if you see something dangerous, don't go that way.

00:17:14.280 You know, if you hear problems on an app, man, you might want to get off of that one and on to something else.

00:17:20.100 So those things are kind of universal.

00:17:23.280 Yeah.

00:17:24.000 Situational awareness.

00:17:25.100 More passive.

00:17:25.460 Like, what's a proactive thing?

00:17:26.740 Yeah, proactive.

00:17:27.420 If you see your children, I'll say misbehaving according to their baseline standard.

00:17:34.080 You know your kids.

00:17:35.740 Like, my son started to withdraw one year.

00:17:39.000 I was contracting over the war zones.

00:17:41.560 And I came home, and I'm like, hey, Caden's quiet.

00:17:44.500 What's going on?

00:17:45.780 And she's like, I don't know.

00:17:46.680 He's been that way lately.

00:17:48.120 And so we decided, and I started asking him.

00:17:50.720 He couldn't tell me anything.

00:17:51.960 We started to plug in at the school, because that's the only place that he was without us.

00:17:57.060 And we started plugging in at the school and found there was a predatory teacher. 0.99

00:18:00.480 He wasn't physically abusing our child, but he was psychologically choosing one child per year and humiliating that child.

00:18:08.600 And just that teacher got off on systematically harming a child by humiliating them.

00:18:15.200 And so our child was, he's brilliant.

00:18:17.720 He's far sharper than I've ever been.

00:18:19.180 And yet, he was slowing down, and he was withdrawing because it felt so bad that this teacher was doing this to him, somebody he trusted.

00:18:26.900 It sounded like even within your own family, there was an intelligence-gathering component.

00:18:31.140 And you've talked about in these operations, the chatters you have, the stings you set up.

00:18:37.420 What does that lead to in terms of a confrontation, a scenario where you're able to stop something really bad from happening?

00:18:45.960 Well, in the case of my son, we went to the school.

00:18:50.320 We demanded that teacher be fired.

00:18:53.000 I mean more on your operational field.

00:18:54.260 But on the operations, so our daughter was abducted when she just turned 18 and savagely abused and deeply traumatized.

00:19:02.460 So you can see that in our documentary Contra Land online at ContraLandMovie.com.

00:19:07.600 But she decided after we got her back.

00:19:10.080 Contra Land?

00:19:10.940 Contra Land, yes, sir.

00:19:12.600 Like the Contras? 0.97

00:19:13.820 Yeah.

00:19:14.100 We could probably put that up.

00:19:16.240 The producer came up with that title because he said, well, children are the new Contra Band, and the United States is the new Contra Land.

00:19:25.640 Wow.

00:19:26.480 So that's what we went with, and that's how that came about.

00:19:30.600 So my daughter decided that she wanted to fight back, and we were already running operations at the time when she decided that.

00:19:40.840 And she said, I want to be one of your junior decoy agents on your team.

00:19:44.940 And I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope.

00:19:46.700 You're not going around to any bad guys.

00:19:48.480 Hell no.

00:19:49.520 But long story short, all my team and my wife and my daughter's counselor and my daughter and everybody else conspired against me and talked me into letting her do it.

00:19:59.800 And eight years later, now she's our fiercest predator hunter. 0.63

00:20:04.380 She is unstoppable.

00:20:05.560 Law enforcement love her.

00:20:07.440 She is tenacious.

00:20:09.180 And the predators come for her like crazy.

00:20:11.980 And she loves watching them get handcuffed and put into a squad car.

00:20:16.460 Are there any times during these operations where you've been concerned for your physical safety or the physical safety of any of your team members?

00:20:23.040 There has, but level of concern, you're talking to a tier one level counter-terrorist operator who's-

00:20:31.940 Probably very little concerns you.

00:20:33.520 Quite a few hundred, over 600 skydives and world records and combat and a bunch of different theaters.

00:20:40.260 And, you know, it's so I'm a bit numb to what would terrorize the healthy-minded person or a normal person if you want to, you know, put that moniker on it.

00:20:50.540 But what about even concern for your team?

00:20:52.820 Yeah, well, I put body armor on my daughter. 1.00

00:20:55.720 Any of our chatters, we used to have it to where the predator would come in the room with the junior decoy agent and with one of our other undercover agents.

00:21:08.080 And then I would walk into the room.

00:21:09.660 After they had done questioning them, I would walk in.

00:21:12.600 That would change the dynamic. 0.98

00:21:13.740 Sometimes they thought I was there to rape him. 0.92

00:21:16.200 The guys would get scared and we would only learn afterward.

00:21:19.260 What do you say when you walk in to confront someone after you've got them?

00:21:23.260 You can watch it and constantly.

00:21:24.320 I was making stuff up.

00:21:25.340 I was trying everything.

00:21:26.440 One time I was like, I'm your tour guide.

00:21:28.840 Like, whatever you want, I'll provide it for you here for some freaky stuff, man.

00:21:31.760 I'll make it happen.

00:21:32.720 I'm that guy.

00:21:33.440 Just to see what he was going to do, you know?

00:21:35.880 One time I pretended to be a repair guy at a clipboard.

00:21:39.520 I'm like, ma'am, your ceiling fan's all done, you know?

00:21:41.920 You want to sign here?

00:21:42.840 And I'm like, oh, hey, what are you doing here?

00:21:45.720 Aren't you the one guy that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?

00:21:47.740 Oh, my gosh.

00:21:48.420 And just have a conversation with him and then start unpacking and watch him fall apart.

00:21:54.100 So it's just, you know, I like to mix it up and try different things and see what works.

00:21:59.860 But I always ask them, what got you onto children?

00:22:01.700 And they'll say, well, it was porn.

00:22:04.940 You know, usually a friend sent me some porn. 0.66

00:22:08.180 There was some Japanese lady with a kid's costume on, and next thing you know, years later, here I am. 0.84

00:22:14.060 Wow.

00:22:14.720 That is the transition for a lot of these folks.

00:22:17.740 In a lot of cases.

00:22:18.580 I don't think the average American guy sees porn as the danger that it apparently is, that it obviously is.

00:22:25.760 Having investigated and interviewed enough of these guys, I could tell you right now,

00:22:30.820 I never perceived it to be that type of danger, but it is, because the same reason that a guy that drinks too much

00:22:39.340 eventually can become an alcoholic and ruin his whole life.

00:22:42.460 Push it further and further.

00:22:43.200 Drug addicted.

00:22:43.760 It's an addiction where something that looks normal and healthy at first is enough, but after a while,

00:22:51.360 you get numb to it, and then a little doesn't do it, so a little becomes more and more and more,

00:22:57.140 and next thing you know, these guys are off on animals and children and snuff flicks,

00:23:02.680 and it's just dark and dysfunctional.

00:23:04.920 It's pure evil.

00:23:06.160 So it's a downward spiral.

00:23:07.460 What do you think is the most evil person you ever caught, met, encountered in this incredible work?

00:23:14.620 Oh, man.

00:23:15.720 I know it's probably a lot of superlatives.

00:23:17.900 It's hard to know without interviewing them extensively and really seeing what darkness lurks in them.

00:23:26.200 We had one guy who was a, he was an LDS church elder.

00:23:29.480 We arrested him in Utah, and he'd come after church with his suit on,

00:23:36.880 and we'd gotten, he said he had been in the intelligence community in the Army.

00:23:42.900 I think he said it was Army Intel before, but he came to pay for two girls,

00:23:50.120 and he wanted to have them one at a time, and then he wanted to have them both together.

00:23:54.520 And I understand the judge let him out inside of like two years.

00:23:59.620 What?

00:24:00.480 And I was asking the law enforcement there at the time that day. 0.93

00:24:03.200 I'm like, okay, this dude's a monster.

00:24:05.540 How long? 0.69

00:24:06.320 Please tell me.

00:24:07.140 He's 73.

00:24:08.220 Please tell me he's never getting out.

00:24:09.480 They're like, no, that should be a life sentence for him.

00:24:12.280 And I heard he'd gotten out.

00:24:14.220 I was livid.

00:24:15.300 I'm like, what?

00:24:15.600 And apparently the judge had said, well, he's too old to be a threat.

00:24:19.580 I'm like, well, did you not see the evidence of the crime?

00:24:23.560 You probably had 30 law enforcement there.

00:24:25.740 So you've got an arrest team, sheriff's department, and guys from different agencies,

00:24:30.000 and he's coming with Viagra and sex lube and condoms, and he paid 100 bucks.

00:24:35.540 He articulated exactly what he was there to do.

00:24:38.100 And then members of his family called us afterward in the following months

00:24:43.580 and thanked me for putting a stop to his raping binge 0.97

00:24:46.860 because he was raping the daughters and the granddaughters. 0.99

00:24:50.100 Jeez. 1.00

00:24:50.980 Amazing.

00:24:51.380 So that's not a good man, you know.

00:24:53.300 But there in that location, he's royalty. 0.88

00:24:57.660 He's an elite pedophile, so he gets special treatment.

00:25:01.640 Has there been a situation?

00:25:03.080 You said not much phases you in these things,

00:25:05.680 but has there been a situation where things got out of control?

00:25:10.120 It got dangerous?

00:25:11.300 There was one guy that decided to bolt.

00:25:13.800 He had left his wife and children at a ski resort,

00:25:19.740 and he had come down, taken the van with two car seats in the back, 0.99

00:25:23.100 come down to have sex with a girl. 0.98

00:25:27.920 And thought he was just going to do that and go back up, and he got caught. 0.99

00:25:32.080 He decided to run.

00:25:33.640 They sent the canine unit on him.

00:25:35.680 You can see that one in Contra Land, too.

00:25:39.060 It was interesting because that canine was so well-disciplined.

00:25:44.200 He gave the command, and that thing was on that guy.

00:25:46.840 He jumped off the front porch.

00:25:47.980 He was running to his van.

00:25:49.620 But then some of the SWAT team rounded the corner.

00:25:52.380 They were waiting outside the corner of the house.

00:25:54.600 They stepped in front of him and cut him off.

00:25:56.880 And so the canine handler called his canine right back off of him with another command.

00:26:00.680 That dog stopped right before he jumped.

00:26:03.900 And we're like, man, that's instant discipline.

00:26:06.820 That was an impressive dog.

00:26:09.400 But that guy, you could just see him, the grass all in his face after being handcuffed,

00:26:15.000 and he realized he just ruined his life and probably the lives of his wives and kids.

00:26:18.940 And there's so many people involved.

00:26:21.380 But I've had wives tell me, too, thanks for catching my husband because we've got four

00:26:25.420 kids, and I don't want him harming them.

00:26:28.760 I don't know that he has.

00:26:30.080 That has to be such a challenging thing for someone to muster that thanks.

00:26:35.600 Unimaginable.

00:26:35.960 But also the relief it brings when you've neutralized a threat is probably overwhelming,

00:26:42.000 that people feel as though that burden is off of them.

00:26:46.260 You talked about the industrial scale of this, and I think you're right.

00:26:49.500 I think that may be the part that surprises the most people about this discussion.

00:26:54.340 Can you talk to us about any cases you're aware of or have been involved in where it's

00:26:58.420 not just one or two victims, but a big batch of victims other than that case you mentioned

00:27:04.100 in Utah?

00:27:04.460 Yeah, there's a location that we're investigating right now where best evidence and intel that

00:27:10.180 we have on it is about 200 children per month being moved through there.

00:27:14.660 200 a month?

00:27:15.840 Yeah.

00:27:16.820 Yeah.

00:27:17.800 Just think about how many of that is a day.

00:27:20.380 And they're moved through.

00:27:22.940 Walk us through the—I hate to say it.

00:27:25.100 I've got to protect this investigation because it's a big one.

00:27:27.860 This is an important one.

00:27:28.820 The supply chain on this is where presumably there is a vulnerability for you to go and

00:27:35.980 exploit to rescue people.

00:27:37.600 Yeah.

00:27:37.840 And so maybe not in this case, but in the broader context of your work or maybe a case

00:27:42.300 that's concluded, when you look at the industrial supply chain, where do you choose to attack

00:27:49.300 and exploit that?

00:27:50.600 And where do you think you can make the most progress?

00:27:52.980 Yeah, we're figuring a lot of that out right now.

00:27:55.400 So you say the rescues, there will be quite a bit of rescues to do on this one, but that's

00:27:59.680 probably going to have to be federal law enforcement to move on that at that scale.

00:28:03.460 So we're a small team.

00:28:04.400 We're a small nonprofit org.

00:28:06.240 And I've got a lot of tier one operators from both units that I can reach to that I've operated

00:28:11.600 with over the years, but we normally don't need them.

00:28:14.560 It's mostly investigative work and chatting with them.

00:28:18.500 And law enforcement handles the arrest.

00:28:20.320 And we'll run the surveillance and sometimes the external security, especially if there's

00:28:25.740 night vision and thermal and sniper overwatch and that kind of stuff we can handle.

00:28:30.480 It sounds like a lot of this, you do have to kind of develop the facts and you're a force

00:28:38.740 multiplier for law enforcement in a lot of ways.

00:28:42.020 Has there ever been a time when you've really been angry at the lack of cooperation where

00:28:46.740 you've gone and said, gosh, I've really got something here that requires attention and

00:28:50.920 you feel like you were summarily brushed aside?

00:28:53.300 Yeah, we ran a Super Bowl op two years or three years ago.

00:28:58.520 And we got five cases where these guys should do hard time.

00:29:05.480 And there was a rep from the bureau there.

00:29:08.900 He handed all that evidence off to the bureau.

00:29:11.260 We've never heard anything from him.

00:29:12.300 What year was that?

00:29:14.840 That was, it would have been 2004.

00:29:21.120 Oh, wow.

00:29:21.700 That's a while back.

00:29:22.600 Yeah.

00:29:24.000 Yeah.

00:29:24.720 So that's frustrating, but they didn't, I didn't have that conversation with them to

00:29:30.900 know why they weren't moving on though.

00:29:32.520 So maybe they didn't get what they wanted.

00:29:36.580 By and large, you probably get more support than not, right?

00:29:38.780 Well, we got a hundred percent conviction rate on our cases.

00:29:40.820 So when we're dealing directly with the host agency and we've got bureau guys there and

00:29:45.720 we've got HSI there and we've got U.S.

00:29:47.480 Marshal Service there, it's always gone great.

00:29:50.180 So in that one case, it was handed off and that was frustrating.

00:29:52.820 But again, I didn't get an answer on why they didn't move on that.

00:29:56.360 But I'm like, come on, man, these guys committed the crimes and they've exceeded the elements

00:30:01.640 of the crime.

00:30:02.300 So you don't always know what's required or who the personalities are in some cases.

00:30:07.960 Yeah.

00:30:08.440 But I think with what you do in basically getting a funnel system for potential investigations,

00:30:15.440 convictions, disruptions of networks, it's really interesting to us to see where that

00:30:20.660 funnel goes and how to make sure that it's given faithfulness.

00:30:24.620 Because you mentioned that you are an Arizonan and you live in the district of someone I

00:30:30.320 admire greatly, Eli Crane, Congressman Eli Crane.

00:30:34.320 And there would be times on the floor of Congress when Eli would say to me, when I'd be all upset

00:30:39.880 about an amendment vote or a bill that did or didn't get brought to the floor, he'd say,

00:30:43.880 Matt, this is a cosmic battle between good and evil.

00:30:46.840 And we are playing our part in it, but the good guys do win in the end.

00:30:51.480 I know that.

00:30:53.220 But he did so much in my own growth and development to see beyond the facts that we're observing

00:31:00.400 to really what the overlay is.

00:31:03.420 And I'm wondering how you see that in your work.

00:31:06.940 Well, my observations of Eli are just as stellar as yours.

00:31:12.020 I think very highly of him as a friend and brother and patriot.

00:31:15.900 But when we were sitting down smoking cigars, one of the agents says, you're going to have

00:31:23.720 to learn that this is a spiritual conflict and that it's a spiritually motivated crime.

00:31:29.200 Well, we've found that.

00:31:31.340 We found in our investigations that there are people that do this for wealth and power.

00:31:36.920 And if you look at it through a spiritual lens, and that's the only lens that this makes

00:31:41.320 any sense, why would people bring diapers and stun guns and all this stuff to abduct children

00:31:47.980 that we catch them with? 0.96

00:31:49.600 These are very sick individuals.

00:31:51.080 But where does all this come from?

00:31:52.740 Where, why is there benefit to this being run at such industrial scale?

00:31:56.980 Why is there just giant meat grinder for children, if you will?

00:32:01.020 And it's the spiritual motive.

00:32:02.460 So go all the way back to Genesis 6, the fallen angels making war against the creator.

00:32:10.040 And we are made in the image of the creator, in the image of God.

00:32:15.900 And more so, the little ones are the purest and most spiritually pure and innocent of us

00:32:24.700 all.

00:32:25.220 And so those are the high value target of the wicked.

00:32:29.080 So if you've got Joe Scumbag, he's willing to do anything for wealth and power.

00:32:32.940 Well, you want to be in the club?

00:32:34.320 Because the club, I can get you into a Congress seat, or I can get you in as mayor, or I can

00:32:39.340 make your, that murder that you did, that we know you did.

00:32:42.860 We can make that go away.

00:32:45.000 We can get you a high paying job.

00:32:47.120 We can, you want to be in the club?

00:32:49.440 This is the club.

00:32:50.320 But oh, you got to let us do stuff to you on video, as in the Diddy case.

00:32:55.440 Or you got to do stuff to little boys or little girls, underage, on video, as in Ghislaine

00:33:02.400 Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, those type of blackmail and intel collection operations, which is

00:33:07.660 exactly what that was.

00:33:09.560 And so we've got to see arrests of those people.

00:33:14.080 We've got to see the people that are in the club.

00:33:16.880 George Carlin said, it's a big club and you ain't in it.

00:33:20.060 That's what he's talking about.

00:33:22.080 We've got to see arrests.

00:33:23.360 That's why people are saying, okay, we've got a war.

00:33:26.380 Appreciate that.

00:33:27.680 But we still have a, we have a set of files of some very egregious and very evil behavior

00:33:35.200 that we want to see arrests on.

00:33:37.220 We've got a laptop that's been protected.

00:33:39.960 And we know that there are names of wicked people.

00:33:42.780 You're talking about the Anthony Wiener laptop, aren't you?

00:33:44.960 Yeah.

00:33:45.520 The Anthony Wiener laptop.

00:33:47.160 It's so interesting you mentioned that.

00:33:48.300 I was speaking with members of Congress today who were seeking my advice about how to fashion

00:33:54.100 up subpoenas for that laptop for precisely the reason that you identified.

00:33:59.520 People believe there is evidence in that Anthony Wiener laptop.

00:34:02.940 And I don't know, but I certainly think that it should be reviewed to see.

00:34:09.420 How are you going to know if you don't have an honest look at it?

00:34:11.700 And so why all the hocus pocus surrounding that laptop and a bunch of other things?

00:34:15.660 Well, the whole Epstein files, I mean, here you are.

00:34:18.800 You've been doing this work since, I mean, you've been doing this work for decades.

00:34:22.160 Eight years, yeah.

00:34:22.960 Oh, eight years.

00:34:23.580 I'm sorry.

00:34:23.820 You've been doing this work for eight years.

00:34:25.620 And yet, right before us, we get the greatest disclosure of this information probably that

00:34:33.700 we've ever seen.

00:34:35.260 And you see consequences internationally.

00:34:37.340 You see consequences for people in business, academia here.

00:34:41.360 And I think you're right to call for a ratcheting up of those consequences.

00:34:45.820 Yeah, I mean, what could it hurt to just air it out and let's get to the bottom of it?

00:34:50.400 What do you think the real story is there?

00:34:52.060 You gave it some treatment where you said it was an intel collection operation.

00:34:57.220 But just take a moment and tell our viewers what you think was really going on on the Epstein

00:35:03.860 stuff.

00:35:04.860 I think people of influence and public figures, elected representatives are targeted and they're 0.51

00:35:13.880 invited to these mansions and parties and yachts where there's every manner of hookers 1.00

00:35:20.640 and blow, follow your nose, do what you like.

00:35:23.000 And knowing that they're going to capture activity with young children and thereby then blackmail

00:35:32.860 that person for the rest of it.

00:35:33.920 It used to be, you catch a congressman having an affair, ooh, back in the 30s or 40s.

00:35:38.740 That's a bad man. 0.90

00:35:39.860 Then it had to be a homosexual affair for anybody to care. 0.98

00:35:42.860 Now it's children.

00:35:44.820 And so they used that.

00:35:45.900 And Jeffrey Epstein mastered that.

00:35:47.120 What do you think he was doing that for?

00:35:48.680 He was working for Ghislaine.

00:35:50.200 She was running that show.

00:35:51.080 Her daddy was a Mossad agent and she was running that op.

00:35:55.840 And so Jeffrey was like...

00:35:57.540 So do you think Mossad was involved?

00:35:59.660 I do, based on everything that I've seen.

00:36:02.560 Do you think other intel agencies were involved?

00:36:04.960 Yes.

00:36:06.140 Yeah.

00:36:06.620 I do.

00:36:07.160 I believe our CIA was heavily involved.

00:36:09.000 Probably the Bureau too.

00:36:10.640 Look at who founded the Bureau.

00:36:11.940 I mean, that was his...

00:36:12.660 And if you think...

00:36:13.080 He loved having dirt on people.

00:36:14.480 And if you think Mossad and the CIA Bureau potentially were involved in this, do you believe it was a

00:36:20.820 one-off or do you believe that those organizations could be involved in similar operations around the world?

00:36:26.500 I think it's common.

00:36:28.820 I think it's global.

00:36:30.660 I think you can look at this.

00:36:32.320 And that's why we don't get a lot better service out of a lot of our representatives.

00:36:36.720 I think a lot of them are compromised and they can't fight the way they want to because somebody's like,

00:36:41.880 eh, eh, eh, we got your video.

00:36:44.240 Remember who you really worked for.

00:36:46.220 So you talk about the spiritual component, but then that also sounds like that's just,

00:36:49.860 you know, people being disgusting and getting caught on camera.

00:36:53.560 Like how much of that is...

00:36:56.340 Because I'm struggling with the spiritual aspect because it seems to me like that's a very intellectual,

00:37:02.040 philosophical motivation.

00:37:03.300 I completely buy that that's happening. 1.00

00:37:05.140 But it seems like the vast majority of these are just scumbags, you know, 0.99

00:37:09.880 who are out there just doing it for their own reasons and they have no higher purpose or values. 0.99

00:37:15.880 What are you seeing?

00:37:17.820 You're right.

00:37:18.420 And there's every layer of it.

00:37:20.200 So all the way down to the bottom, you've got kids selling each other and themselves

00:37:24.520 and parents selling their children, crack addict parents.

00:37:27.600 And you've got MS-13 and gangbangers, the Crips and Blood,

00:37:31.020 selling children where they used to sell, you know, crack or whatever, cocaine.

00:37:36.180 Then you've got the Mexican drug cartels overseeing a lot of big international drug sales.

00:37:41.980 And you've got China involved because there's a lot of money and power and influence for them.

00:37:46.820 So you've got a lot of that.

00:37:48.340 And that's just a typical crime spree.

00:37:51.720 It's about the greed, right?

00:37:54.120 And the control in the sense of the blackmail.

00:37:56.500 But then spiritually, you get into the satanic cult groups, the people who are the high level. 0.52

00:38:03.880 I call them high level, but they are very dedicated Luciferians.

00:38:08.560 You hear people talk about the 13 families that run all the international global banking

00:38:12.860 and the 300 families that really suck up to them.

00:38:17.040 And they run most of major institutions.

00:38:20.100 What are those people into?

00:38:23.080 What are all the family members, the whistleblowers and the survivors and the witnesses come out saying about them?

00:38:30.540 And when you start to research it, you start realizing they're about having ritual ceremonies.

00:38:36.780 And they do get benefits.

00:38:38.520 They get spiritual benefits from it.

00:38:40.860 But it doesn't take, in my opinion, a rocket scientist go,

00:38:43.840 okay, well, one side of this spiritual war is the creator.

00:38:47.420 And the other one are all created beings.

00:38:49.420 Guess who loses?

00:38:51.340 But these people that are in this, they're enjoying so much earthly wealth and power.

00:38:56.660 They don't want to think about what's later.

00:38:58.340 Or they've been deceived and they believe that in hell it's just going to be some magical party

00:39:04.060 and it's going to be somehow cool like a rock party, you know?

00:39:08.040 So if this is like 320,000 kids, you know, just for one example, under Biden,

00:39:15.200 that level requires so much coordination that implies that it is being organized at very high levels of what can only be the government.

00:39:25.900 So who is involved in this?

00:39:28.120 How far does this go?

00:39:29.320 Well, you have, it's not all centralized.

00:39:34.960 You've got a lot of people helping themselves in their own satanic cults and witch's covens and Luciferian groups and things like that globally.

00:39:45.320 So some of them are connected.

00:39:47.100 Some of them are not so connected.

00:39:48.560 And so, yeah, you can't run anything at industrial scale in the continental United States without the Bureau and the agencies knowing about it.

00:39:57.720 I mean, if we ran a legit lemonade stand out here on the weekend, how long would it be before someone's going to want their tax money?

00:40:05.560 That happened just a couple weeks ago.

00:40:07.200 Scale it up to a few hundred billion and then it goes away.

00:40:13.320 Why?

00:40:13.740 Because hands, palms are greased and deals are made.

00:40:18.160 So, you know, there's a friend of mine that was an assistant police chief and he studied high level organized crime in central United States,

00:40:27.340 all the way down to the Gulf Coast for 14 years with multiple task forces.

00:40:31.260 And he's figured out how BRICS nations are using their money, hundreds of millions of dollars for the payouts, the side deals for the politicians that they install and other officials in municipal bonds.

00:40:45.540 Which, by the way, that's probably why BRICS fails.

00:40:47.420 BRICS probably fails ultimately under its own corruption because of what you just described.

00:40:51.700 You can't maintain a system like that where there's no predictable decision making beyond who's getting paid off.

00:40:57.080 But I completely believe what your friend said.

00:40:59.500 They're using municipal bonds.

00:41:01.260 Because people don't think about it.

00:41:02.780 And it's complicated and it sounds boring.

00:41:05.140 And they're laundering hundreds of billions through real estate loan fraud.

00:41:11.080 So they'll take a house that's worth $200,000, $300,000 and they'll take multiple loans on it for tens of millions of dollars.

00:41:21.080 And he can demonstrate this.

00:41:22.900 You know, all these task forces have been investigating this for 14 years and you can see who's who and what all they're doing.

00:41:29.460 But yet it's not being broken.

00:41:30.680 So my thing is, when President Trump got in, I'm like, okay, I'm a national security whistleblower.

00:41:36.460 I blew the whistle on high-ranking SES-level executive from the top of the FBI when I was a federal air marshal manager.

00:41:42.600 I need a meeting with Trump or Kash Patel or Dan Bongino at the top of the bureau and say, hey, here's my plan on how to purge any key agency of its corruption.

00:41:52.420 I know how the deep state protects its corruption and therefore I know how to break it.

00:41:57.060 I need a meeting.

00:41:57.700 I will share my plan.

00:41:59.480 Let's put together a task force and righteously purge any agency of its corruption, reset it back.

00:42:06.340 What's the first step of that plan?

00:42:07.740 Yeah.

00:42:08.080 How does that work?

00:42:08.980 Can you share without?

00:42:10.180 First of all, you have to interview most of the people and interview and ask them who's who.

00:42:15.160 And they'll tell you.

00:42:16.360 Who are the problem children?

00:42:17.400 Who are the corrupt people here?

00:42:18.520 Who are the good guys?

00:42:20.200 And so I'm a lie to you, but in separating them and interviewing enough of them, you're going to develop patterns and you're going to know. 0.62

00:42:27.420 And you fire all the ones that are corrupt.

00:42:29.720 You prosecute the ones that are criminally corrupt.

00:42:32.960 And then you promote the shining stars that are the genuine right fighters.

00:42:38.280 And you bring in more management.

00:42:39.540 The problem is it's been going the other way.

00:42:41.100 This was a project I was hoping to endeavor upon because under Obama and Eric Holder, they flipped that on its head.

00:42:52.380 They worked so hard to get people with extensive subject matter experience out.

00:42:57.820 And the people that they brought in were the DEI hires and the Woketopians. 1.00

00:43:02.400 And some of those people that came in as line prosecutors, line agents under Obama and Holder, now they're division chiefs.

00:43:09.240 Now they're moving up and what you described is absolutely essential to preserve the republic because there comes a point at which they move so high in the organizational structure that the organization becomes entirely captive.

00:43:21.920 I did want to take a moment tonight to talk a little bit about the inspiring stories of victims.

00:43:26.680 You must have encountered victims of some of these events that have gone through a lot.

00:43:32.240 And obviously in your own family, you shared an example.

00:43:35.400 But are there other stories of people who have prevailed through this come out on the other side that you want to highlight?

00:43:41.860 Yeah.

00:43:42.220 And I'll tell you that with all the horror that we see from the bad side, the good side is so much more powerful and so much more beautiful.

00:43:51.020 And that's what really makes it all worthwhile.

00:43:53.420 You see people that have been rescued, been delivered and healed, miraculously so, from horrible trauma, really deep trauma.

00:44:04.660 And that's what really inspires us.

00:44:07.620 So there have been people who have, one case was a lady, well, there's a few of us that, a few of them that taught us how a certain ritual goes as a standardized ritual that little girls were abused by a group of men in a church.

00:44:25.080 And then they would make the church, and then they would make the church, and then they would make the girl cry out for Jesus.

00:44:29.040 And one of them, dressed like Jesus with wardrobe and makeup, and they meant for it to be very real, would come and betray the girl, torture her, sexually assault her, and then abandon her.

00:44:41.600 And so they meant for that person to never again accept any help from Jesus, because, oh, I remember that guy. 0.80

00:44:50.880 He was the worst.

00:44:52.180 And then they would take the girl through a veil into the next room, just outside of the sanctuary, the next room, and there would be a guy dressed up like Satan, and he would have what essentially sounded to me like a picnic and have all the girls' favorite foods there.

00:45:07.420 Oh, you can have anything you want with me.

00:45:09.500 Basically, I'm your sugar daddy now.

00:45:11.640 We're sorry about that wimpy Jesus guy, what he did. 1.00

00:45:14.620 He has no power.

00:45:15.440 We threw him out.

00:45:16.680 But I'll never do that to you, and you can have anything you want with me.

00:45:19.460 How old was this?

00:45:20.460 About 12, is my understanding, is when they do this to these girls. 1.00

00:45:24.940 So when you hear them, and one of them said to us, and I struggle to tell it to this day without choking up, and she said,

00:45:35.340 while this fake Jesus was raping me, the real Jesus came to me, because in these highly demonized ritual ceremonies,

00:45:43.340 what you'll learn to happen is these children, when there's a supernaturally charged atmosphere and satanic stuff is being done beyond human description, beyond words,

00:45:56.440 they can see a lot of times into the spirit realm.

00:45:58.920 The veil is torn, they say.

00:46:00.440 So children can see the demonic, and they can see the divine.

00:46:03.600 Sometimes they'll see angels.

00:46:05.660 Sometimes they'll see the demons.

00:46:07.340 They'll see other entities, fallen gods with the big horns and stuff sitting on a throne over in the corner.

00:46:13.480 This is what they describe to you?

00:46:14.560 This is what they'll describe. 0.99

00:46:15.680 And the one said, she said, so this fake Jesus, she knew he was a fake Jesus, was raping me. 0.90

00:46:23.000 She said, the real Jesus came and comforted me. 0.71

00:46:26.900 And I said, forgive me for asking, but how do you know that was a real Jesus?

00:46:31.640 And she teared up, and she said, because he was glorious, and he's the one with the holes in his hands.

00:46:37.660 And I know him now.

00:46:39.260 I'm like, oh, oh.

00:46:42.060 And she said, basically, he let me know this is going to end, and I got you, and I'm going to deliver you from this.

00:46:50.820 And so these children know, even in the darkest of times, some of them are ministered to in that way.

00:47:00.340 But don't we see so many stories in the Bible of in these moments of grave peril and horror and awfulness, God appears.

00:47:11.320 And it really does show the power of Jesus to permeate even the worst circumstance you could possibly even imagine.

00:47:24.020 My daughter was angry after her abduction, which I understand.

00:47:27.840 Because she asked, well, why didn't Jesus stop it?

00:47:35.000 And she's at a different place already now with that.

00:47:37.580 But my wife was serially abused by a neighbor family when she was growing up, and Jesus would come to her.

00:47:47.420 But she wasn't tortured.

00:47:49.240 She was just systematically sexually abused. 0.97

00:47:53.920 But she said, in that sense, Jesus would come to her and reach out his hand before it would begin and say, you don't need to be here for this.

00:48:03.100 Come with me.

00:48:04.340 And she said when she took his hand, she was with him in another place.

00:48:08.660 And she said it was beautiful.

00:48:10.280 And I'm like, okay, so like cognitive, like you're checking out mentally.

00:48:14.600 She goes, no, I don't know how I can tell you, but it was physical.

00:48:17.440 When I took his hand, I went to another place physically with him.

00:48:21.780 She said it was a forest.

00:48:22.860 We walked by the stream.

00:48:23.920 It's just the same place every time.

00:48:25.620 Sometimes other kids would be playing, sometimes not.

00:48:28.500 But there was a big flat rock.

00:48:29.860 We would sit down.

00:48:30.580 And she said if I had something to show it, to compare it to, I know what his robe smells like.

00:48:37.280 I know what his robe smells like.

00:48:39.180 He's real.

00:48:40.140 And she says it was physical.

00:48:43.660 And he would hold me.

00:48:45.220 And then after a while, we would walk back.

00:48:47.040 And he's like, okay.

00:48:48.020 And whatever nightmare was happening was done.

00:48:50.640 And she would be back in her body.

00:48:52.460 And then she would be done and go home.

00:48:55.520 It really speaks to the personal relationship with Jesus that the evangelical church embraces.

00:49:05.780 Yeah, it's not about religion for these people.

00:49:09.180 It's a genuine personal relationship with their creator.

00:49:12.760 It's about that.

00:49:13.860 And I wish a lot of people could get past a lot of the religion that blocks people. 0.99

00:49:18.080 I'll run into people every day like, no thanks.

00:49:20.200 I don't like religion because bad people did stuff.

00:49:22.200 And I'm like, I appreciate that.

00:49:24.060 I wish you could know what I know.

00:49:25.860 Know him the way I know.

00:49:27.100 You wouldn't care about people or religion.

00:49:30.240 You would just love him back, man, because he's good.

00:49:33.480 And that's what I'm gaining from the survivors who heal.

00:49:36.920 And some of them are ministers now.

00:49:39.240 Some of them are very highly educated.

00:49:42.160 Some of them very successful with their families and everything to different degrees.

00:49:47.080 Some of them we've interviewed are still very freshly traumatized and not there yet.

00:49:52.900 But it's all valuable information because they can describe to you, matter of fact, like they would in a court of law, what they experienced.

00:50:00.120 And you see some of these rituals are standardized.

00:50:02.340 They do this to a lot of kids, man.

00:50:04.800 And a lot of them, they don't survive.

00:50:06.060 Who's the head of all of this?

00:50:07.920 Is it decentralized or is there like a central node?

00:50:11.340 I don't know of an absolute pinnacle.

00:50:15.000 It seems a bit decentralized from after eight years, our investigations, from what I understand, it seems like there are multiple networks and multiple streams of this.

00:50:25.760 I think it's just weak men worshiping the fallen for wealth and money and willing to do anything to get it.

00:50:34.300 And it's just the lowest form of dysfunction.

00:50:37.240 What is the, this is hard to articulate, it's so abstract, the spiritual motivation for these monsters to do something like this?

00:50:51.640 Why does it have a spiritual aspect, I guess? 0.82

00:50:54.040 Why do they need that as opposed to just being a disgusting human being on their own? 0.80

00:51:00.020 Where does the spiritual aspect come into this? 0.93

00:51:02.420 What do they get out of it?

00:51:03.580 Well, there are supernatural gifts.

00:51:05.880 The fallen do have power.

00:51:07.980 The Bible says Satan is the God of this world.

00:51:11.180 Small g, and only for a season, but that's what it says.

00:51:16.340 So I think that's allowed for us to be tested so we can choose between the Father's way and the way of ourselves, which is the way of the fallen, and to learn through that process.

00:51:28.120 So they do get benefits.

00:51:30.220 They get wealth, they get power.

00:51:32.040 You look at all the most wealthy people in the world, what are the Epstein files?

00:51:35.320 A lot of these other whistleblowers and witnesses and family members that are coming out, what are they all saying? 0.80

00:51:41.200 They're like, they're Luciferians, or they call them satanic pedophiles.

00:51:45.120 But I mean, Luciferian is their more highbrow way that they believe and they sell it to themselves.

00:51:52.440 Yeah, but I think Pearson is asking, I guess, why the spiritual overlay?

00:52:01.460 Why not?

00:52:03.180 And I guess it's that they're trying to access some sort of justification for their awful worldly acts.

00:52:09.220 Or they think they're literally getting benefits from doing this.

00:52:12.340 Well, Craig's saying they are, that there are those powers of Satan that we see manifest on Earth all the time.

00:52:21.440 And it does come from a power center somewhere.

00:52:23.720 Bestowing gifts.

00:52:24.300 We primarily, in the public, only hear about remote viewing through government programs.

00:52:30.120 Oh, and it's experimental through an MKUltra or something.

00:52:33.580 And they tried a little bit, but it kind of didn't work. 0.99

00:52:36.060 No, a remote viewing is an absolute power that the fallen can give to their scumbags. 0.99

00:52:43.520 And so our government deals with it, but what the government doesn't admit is that it's demonic. 0.99

00:52:52.180 The power that powers that skill set up is utterly demonic.

00:52:57.020 So these people get off on having these perks and powers.

00:53:01.760 They see, like bring a camera into a room, and they can see what the heck's going on there.

00:53:06.880 They use it for extortion.

00:53:07.960 I mean, they take people, and they traumatize them.

00:53:13.500 It's all trauma-based programming, MKUltra and Monarch and each other.

00:53:17.840 The trauma does seem to be like very much an essential element.

00:53:20.900 Yeah, because that's what causes the mind to split into the different parts.

00:53:25.680 And then they'll expertly, it's very sophisticated, they'll take each personality part within the same physical body,

00:53:32.420 and they will train the person, that personality part, to do a certain skill set.

00:53:36.600 Like an assassin? 1.00

00:53:37.960 An assassin or a honeypot, like a sex kitten. 0.99

00:53:42.980 They call them betas, to go target. 0.99

00:53:46.220 You know, if you ran for Congress, send one into your hotel.

00:53:49.380 Same thing.

00:53:50.160 She's the, yeah, she's the best thing you've ever seen, man.

00:53:52.920 And she just loves you to death.

00:53:54.360 Next thing you know, you wake up and there's video of you, you know,

00:53:57.720 next to a bloody child in chains or some horrible thing that you're like,

00:54:03.260 oh, and they're like, okay, now we got you.

00:54:04.740 You know, or it's more subtle than that, and it takes more time than that.

00:54:09.680 But a lot of that happens, too.

00:54:13.640 So if you listen to Pastor Dave Bryan and guys like that, he got into a big tiff with the founder of the Church of Satan, Anton LaVey.

00:54:22.020 And Anton LaVey's daughter had come to Pastor Dave for rescue, and she was living with him.

00:54:29.180 And they had this poltergeist type of satanic manifestation, and they're home every night.

00:54:34.200 It's like, what the heck's going on with you?

00:54:36.160 And finally, she's admitted, she goes, well, my daddy's Anton LaVey, and I'm trying to get away from him. 0.84

00:54:42.060 He wants to ritually murder me on Halloween as this bride of Satan kind of thing.

00:54:47.880 Well, anyway, what Pastor Dave describes is that Anton was able to, what they call body jump,

00:54:55.080 in a satanic ritual, his soul, soul and mind are synonymous, his soul could leave his physical body

00:55:04.940 and enter his daughter's body, and he was essentially animating his daughter's body

00:55:09.840 and talking to Pastor Dave, and Pastor Dave's like, Anton, is that you and your daughter?

00:55:15.620 What the heck?

00:55:16.280 And he's like, hey, you know, preacher boy, this is what's going to happen, and she's mine,

00:55:21.080 and, you know, hands off, and so when you start hearing of things like that,

00:55:26.380 it's very hard to believe, and I'm not saying everybody has to believe it,

00:55:29.720 but that's what we're learning about.

00:55:31.440 And so you're asking why?

00:55:33.460 Well, there are powers that the fallen can apparently grant, and so that's part of it.

00:55:39.160 But the wealth is enough for a lot of humans.

00:55:42.000 The power.

00:55:42.520 And the power.

00:55:43.920 You can, you know, if somebody picked on you in college or high school,

00:55:47.760 and you want to off him, if you're part of the club, you can have that,

00:55:50.960 and it'll be brushed under the rug, or whatever people get off on,

00:55:54.140 whatever they want that's not good, they can get in that.

00:55:58.200 And so that's what we're, so far, that's what we're finding.

00:56:00.580 And this isn't theoretical.

00:56:01.160 You're going there, and you're seeing evidence of these things.

00:56:03.140 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:56:03.920 And you can look at all the case studies.

00:56:05.760 I mean, Russ Dizdar would go into a lot of these cases for law enforcement

00:56:11.400 and help them break the case, like the Jeffrey Dahmer case was one that he worked.

00:56:16.260 And they would say, well, this guy's a psycho, and he's got a shrine of bones in his living room.

00:56:22.120 What does that mean?

00:56:22.920 And Russ is like, let me have a look.

00:56:25.740 He's like, well, he's a Satanist, and here's what kind of Satanist.

00:56:28.320 And here's what you can expect through his friends' network,

00:56:32.080 and here's what you could probably start looking for bodies.

00:56:34.700 And he's probably almost certainly a split multiple,

00:56:38.500 meaning he's probably tortured in his childhood to get to this level of depravity.

00:56:44.260 And so you're going to have to figure out how to find the personality part that did this,

00:56:49.800 or he's genuinely not going to know what he did.

00:56:52.200 He can't help you because—

00:56:53.220 Craig, is this getting better or worse?

00:56:54.880 It's getting worse.

00:56:55.780 It's like, I believe, Matt, that we're getting toward the end of the book,

00:56:59.000 if you look at it biblically.

00:57:00.020 And it seems like, to me, all this stuff with the wars and the rumors of wars

00:57:07.060 and men will be lovers of themselves and all this biblical prophecy,

00:57:11.660 it's like the veil is being lifted of what's always been weak men doing unspeakable evil for wealth and power.

00:57:20.780 There's been that exchange of technology with the fallen in humans since the book of Genesis. 0.88

00:57:28.120 It always happened.

00:57:30.000 At first, it was swords and armor and warfare and then makeup and astrology and all that kind of stuff.

00:57:36.420 And now I think they've taught man how to split and program and use other humans as slaves for the rest of their lives

00:57:48.200 with them being largely unwitting to it.

00:57:50.720 So there's just a lot of—it's all—we're not to be fascinated by this.

00:57:57.240 We're not to be impressed by it.

00:57:58.500 It's dysfunctional.

00:57:59.960 It's doomed.

00:58:00.900 It's evil. 0.60

00:58:01.560 These people are all going to burn in hell unless they repent and ask for forgiveness 0.98

00:58:05.720 and turn from their wicked ways. 0.98

00:58:08.420 But there's a lot to it.

00:58:10.280 Until then, you're going to hunt them.

00:58:10.780 Until then, you're going to hunt them.

00:58:11.900 And I was going to say, I know we've got to go.

00:58:13.120 So what can people do to support your organization?

00:58:15.220 Yeah, they can go to our website, v4cr.org, and they can empower themselves learning from the tools.

00:58:23.480 They can donate because we're a nonprofit org.

00:58:25.660 That's how we run our ops is people help fund us, buy our merch, our coffee's epic.

00:58:31.320 Pray for our nation.

00:58:32.260 Pray for our leaders.

00:58:33.180 Pray for our reps.

00:58:34.460 Pray for the children.

00:58:36.080 Yeah, especially.

00:58:37.080 Pray without ceasing.

00:58:38.200 This is a spiritual war.

00:58:39.900 Whether each of us comprehends that or not, what's going on globally, we need a lot of good people praying good things.

00:58:48.060 And look after the children any way that you can.

00:58:50.500 Help get involved through legislation.

00:58:53.240 Stronger laws against the predators.

00:58:55.100 Stronger protections for the children.

00:58:57.120 That's what we have to demand from our elected officials.

00:59:00.060 Hold their feet to the fire and say, that's what we want.

00:59:02.100 We love the children, and we demand that you help us.

00:59:04.920 Thank you for what you do.

00:59:05.900 Someone with your skills could exploit those skills for great personal gain, wealth, power, and here you are fighting for the most vulnerable among us.

00:59:17.020 And it's deeply inspiring, and it, I think, will cause other people to want to really have your back in these moments.

00:59:23.600 Because the type of evil you're describing does lose in the end, but we have agency, too.

00:59:31.340 And we have to use that agency, and you're a great example.

00:59:34.920 Well, Pearson, thank you so much for bringing the Sawman in.

00:59:37.520 Yeah.

00:59:38.300 Well, I've got to thank Adam Handelsman for hooking us up.

00:59:41.260 Oh, yeah.

00:59:41.620 Right on.

00:59:42.200 Adam, thank you, brother.

00:59:43.280 Thanks, Adam.

00:59:43.780 All right.

00:59:44.160 We appreciate you joining us.

00:59:45.800 That's Vets for Child Rescue. 0.97

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00:59:48.460 Yep.

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - March 11, 2026

The Anchormen Show EP 107 - Disrupting the Enemy’s Covert Operation w⧸ Pearson Sharp & Craig ＂Sawman＂ Sawyer

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