The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 111 - The Case Against American Empire w⧸ Pearson Sharp and Scott Horton

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp

00:00:11.200 welcome back to the anchorman show we've got a big program for you we're going to go all over

00:00:17.940 the world with a real foreign policy expert and some of these major hot spots that have

00:00:22.600 been arising we want to debate and discuss them and so joining us will be of course my co-host

00:00:28.480 as always pearson sharp the host of the sharp report here on one america news i host the matt

00:00:32.460 gates show every weeknight nine o'clock eastern six pacific and we've got with us now director of

00:00:38.340 the scott horton academy of foreign policy and freedom also director of the libertarian institute

00:00:43.660 author of enough already time to end the war on terrorism scott horton scott thanks so much for

00:00:49.940 being with us i want to delve into a number of places on the globe where we see conflict arising

00:00:56.500 but of course we're going to start in the middle east the ongoing war between the united states and

00:01:01.160 iran let's get your assessment of where you think things stand right now and how you believe each

00:01:06.620 country is uh is doing compared to their objectives yeah well and that is the correct way to frame it i

00:01:14.060 think of course and this has been the argument of the anti-war crowd all along nobody's naive about

00:01:18.920 the ultimate firepower of the american military machine can america devastate iran even without

00:01:27.040 using nuclear weapons at all but just with our b-52s if we're willing to lose enough planes to really

00:01:32.760 take out every last bit of anti-aircraft and get total air dominance over their country

00:01:37.920 you know america is number one as they say the world empire and we have the ability to defeat them in war

00:01:44.800 the question was always at what cost and uh it looks to me now like the uh american government is

00:01:52.280 and israelis are going to fall quite short quite a bit short of their stated objectives of regime

00:01:59.060 change in the country or it's somehow permanent neutralization or taming or you know from the

00:02:05.480 israeli point of view their wish to really take iranian power off the board completely um that looks like

00:02:11.260 a failure um i'm seeing you know positive spin saying i i'm sorry i believe it was in the washington

00:02:17.680 post the headline this morning was about well the the mullah's regime that survives this well they're

00:02:24.420 going to have lost a lot of money and like yeah okay but that's what joe biden said about the russians

00:02:30.240 right we're we're inflicting a strategic defeat on them obviously you know the iranians this this war

00:02:37.100 will cost them a lot but that was never the stated goal and and imagine if that had been the stated

00:02:43.740 policy in the first place we're going to get into a massive air war we're going to put all of our bases

00:02:48.140 and assets and everything in the middle east at risk in order to just as the israelis say mow the grass

00:02:54.260 just to roll back iranian power a little bit and start all over again and we know what happened here

00:03:00.260 right the israelis blew a bunch of smoke up donald trump's ear hole about how oh yeah no we could just

00:03:06.320 parachute the monarchists right in there we just had the kurds come in and be a force and all you

00:03:12.100 really need to know miss president is that everybody hates the ayatollahs and all you got to do is hit

00:03:17.900 them and they'll fall right over and the people rise up take over the country as trump said he was

00:03:22.680 surprised that they didn't and then he said he was surprised that they hit all our bases in the region

00:03:26.920 because apparently nobody told him that yes of course we have a lot of anti-missile missiles but they

00:03:32.240 have more missiles and they can essentially again we can defeat them but can their uh you know

00:03:39.860 outerceptors eventually overwhelm our interceptors and and destroy our bases and our critical

00:03:45.280 infrastructure all up and down the persian gulf absolutely here we are and it's our one last thing

00:03:50.380 this is the exact same reason that the chiefs told george w bush in january of 2007 they said we'll do the

00:03:58.300 iraq surge but please don't make us go to iran we can defeat them but we will not have escalation

00:04:05.060 dominance they will be able to hit back in ways that hurt us crucially and it's just not worth it

00:04:10.600 to do it and so that was why bush told cheney and told ehud ulmert no we're not going to iran then

00:04:17.740 i'm interested in your perspective where does your framework place responsibility

00:04:24.300 responsibility on regimes like the iranian leadership for being attacked by us none

00:04:31.440 none whatsoever so i know what you're going to say but was the war in iran justified i want to hear

00:04:38.440 your perspective no i mean this is what the japanese did to us so that was wrong because we're us and

00:04:44.520 they're them or that was wrong because it was morally wrong to do a sneak attack and kill a bunch of

00:04:50.380 guys and those were at least it wasn't combatants he told them they had a 15-day deadline i mean look

00:04:54.980 i i am no cheerleader for this war but trump gave them a 15-day deadline they blew through that deadline

00:05:01.600 he thought they were jerking him around and uh this is not my argument but i want to present the argument

00:05:07.400 that i think the administration would which which is that uh this was a a developing nuclear force

00:05:14.040 behind a conventional envelope of firepower that would have allowed uh iran to basically be

00:05:21.680 north korea but with more money uh more ambition for malign influence and yeah occasionally you've

00:05:29.860 just got to go kill a bunch of people in iran bomb the country throw the government into either fear

00:05:35.860 or chaos or alteration of something that destabilizes them so that it knocks them off their ambitions

00:05:42.500 long enough for us to keep the region safe and you know i mean when you say nothing's been

00:05:47.960 accomplished allegedly there's a gay guy in charge of iran right now like if if that's not that's

00:05:54.000 accomplished i don't know what is that's progress if what donald trump wanted was total and complete

00:05:59.340 surrender the country putting a gay guy in charge uh of an islamic uh militant uh fascist regime is like

00:06:08.320 as much total and complete surrender as possible we could have drag brunches and we should have the

00:06:12.980 democrats celebrating this at this point weeks scott yeah i was gonna say the democrats might be pleased

00:06:17.540 by that but i don't think that really constitutes a full regime change and victory here and as far as

00:06:22.580 what you say about the nukes there and i know you're uh doing your job here but that's all just

00:06:28.000 israeli propaganda right it's not true at all the iranians have been spinning uranium hexafluoride gas

00:06:33.760 enriching uranium to whatever degree that they feel like since 2006 in other words they proved that

00:06:39.460 they mastered the fuel cycle then but they're members of the non-proliferation treaty since 1968

00:06:44.440 and as part of that treaty they have to have a safeguards agreement with the international atomic

00:06:48.460 energy agency and the international atomic energy agency has then the power which they do uh implement

00:06:54.660 to surveil and quantify every bit of iran's nuclear program and every bit of nuclear material introduced to

00:07:01.160 all their machines and for now 20 years straight they have continued to verify the non-diversion of

00:07:07.280 nuclear material in iran to any military or other special purpose so why wouldn't they just take hold

00:07:12.060 on hold on so then why wouldn't they just take all of the of the free uh uh offerings of the united

00:07:19.300 states for for energy for nuclear we offered to give them everything that was not weapons grade

00:07:26.000 if they would take the weapons grade uh uranium and and and basically dilute it to the point where

00:07:31.900 it wouldn't be anymore and they didn't take that deal that seemed highly persuasive to steve whitkoff

00:07:36.620 uh someone who has been critical of netanyahu and some of the decisions of the israeli government

00:07:41.380 certainly yeah but steve whitkoff is no like massad stenographer in the administration

00:07:45.780 uh look i'm not questioning his motives or anything but he clearly doesn't know anything about the history of this thing

00:07:52.640 or or what all was at stake or the posture of the iranian regime here so essentially the answer to

00:07:59.320 your question is the iranians have for two major reasons one stated and one unstated been determined

00:08:06.780 to hang on to their ability to enrich uranium and that is first and foremost just independence you can't

00:08:13.960 tell me not to and that might sound stupid from here but if the united nations or any group of nations

00:08:19.660 in the world tried to tell the united states of america that we were not allowed by them to

00:08:24.720 enrich uranium we'd probably knew we aren't like funding militias to go and bomb well that's not

00:08:32.760 true no we are funding militias al-qaeda militias all throughout the middle east i mean worse than

00:08:37.820 hezbollah al-nusra front iran and their friends kill al-qaeda and isis when especially the democrats

00:08:44.220 support them so but on on track here listen they're saying they have a domestic supply of uranium

00:08:50.760 and they have a domestic supply oil they want to burn their uranium for electricity and sell their

00:08:55.820 oil on the world market it's simple opportunity costs it's a matter of pride and independence

00:09:00.800 and the unstated part of it is that it has been now let's we're talking about from 06 up through

00:09:07.760 last june the posture was a latent nuclear deterrent and this is the same ability same demonstrated

00:09:15.820 ability as brazil and germany and japan to be able to create nuclear weapons fuel but to not

00:09:22.320 choose to do so at least for now and the standoff all this time was america saying if you make a nuke

00:09:29.600 if you try to break out and begin to make a nuke we will attack you and prevent that from happening

00:09:35.760 that was bush obama trump biden's position okay the iranian position was we're not making a nuke

00:09:42.340 don't attack us and we won't okay that was the standoff but then america led by israel broke that

00:09:50.360 standoff last june and they went ahead and they did set back iran's nuclear program to a significant

00:09:56.580 degree but they also essentially what happened was trump accepted the israeli propaganda line that for

00:10:04.000 iran to have an enrichment program or nuclear program at all is the same thing as in having a

00:10:08.660 nuclear weapons program and that is totally forbidden by him even though they're within

00:10:13.400 america's non-proliferation treaty that we're the ones that got them to sign in the first place

00:10:18.140 back in the 1960s and so um but once donald trump accepted netanyahu's definition of their nuclear

00:10:25.140 program now he's saying you can have no nuclear program at all or that might as well be a nuclear

00:10:30.140 weapons program he'll just conflate it like w bush or bill clinton would do just conflate having a

00:10:34.940 nuclear program at all with having a nuclear weapons program as he said on the eve of war he said

00:10:39.060 they can't have a nuclear weapon well they had forsworn a nuclear weapon a hundred times up and down

00:10:44.140 including in the jcpoa of 2015 and including in multiple religious edicts by the previous ayatollah and

00:10:51.640 the just now uh current one uh kamini saying that it was haram for them to make nuclear weapons now

00:10:57.920 okay but i mean you would you would assume that they would say that up until now at least you

00:11:02.760 would assume that they would say that though i mean playing devil's advocate because i i generally

00:11:06.060 think i agree with you that's that's what i assume they say that so that's what i just said though i

00:11:10.340 said politicians say a lot of things but we can see in practice that has been the law since komeini

00:11:17.160 said so even in the 1980s they've never made chemical weapons they've never made biological weapons and

00:11:22.220 they've never made nuclear weapons and then what they do they killed the guy who said that god said

00:11:27.520 you're not allowed to okay so hypothetically speaking if if intelligence if they you know if

00:11:34.840 the trump administration the people in charge know something that we don't know if intelligence shows

00:11:39.000 that iran was developing a nuclear weapon do you oppose any sort of intervention to prevent that from

00:11:45.600 happening yes but that's a totally false premise and by the way you sound like no offense no no i'm

00:11:51.460 this is hypothetical i agree with you but i want to know your perspective every goofball in the years

00:11:58.540 for the year and a half after september 11th or at least a year from like this time 2002 through this

00:12:04.540 time 2003 every mina bird sitting in the back of my taxi cab said the exact same thing well let's see

00:12:13.840 you've completely debunked the aluminum tubes the warehouse is full of sarin the nuclear weapons

00:12:18.720 program everything on the list well they must have secret information that they can't tell us about

00:12:24.340 because it's just the supreme rationalization for you can see through their lies and they've got

00:12:30.020 nothing left if they had secret information you didn't know about why wouldn't they give it to you

00:12:34.960 to justify what they're doing so then is they already tried with everything they've got and if i could

00:12:40.500 just interject let's assume iran uh had these ambitions and did want to develop a nuclear weapon

00:12:46.780 having those ambitions not tethered to any real threat to the united states right to me does not

00:12:53.940 that's significant justify intervention and iran iran was attempting to develop a missile delivery

00:13:01.040 system back in the early aughts they gave up that program there is no research even that was an

00:13:06.940 israeli forgery actually well well okay it was from i don't know that scott here's what i know

00:13:13.040 as a guy who was on the armed services committee for eight years iran had a no research underway at

00:13:19.540 all to get any weapon like that to the united states they weren't even trying to answer the

00:13:25.960 question so obviously that's changed dramatically in the last few years i i i've i've been here with

00:13:31.700 you on this couch but i can i cannot imagine that in that amount of time they've had the type of

00:13:36.860 breakout that gets you a delivery system and most importantly a re-entry vehicle if you want an

00:13:42.320 intercontinental ballistic missile you have to have a re-entry vehicle so that a warhead survives uh

00:13:48.820 the the harsh uh journey back through the atmosphere and that is what is really the choke

00:13:56.020 point for north korea that is the choke point for a lot of these countries uh that might have the bomb

00:14:02.980 but don't have any capability delivery other than oh and then you hear the dirty bomb scenario by the

00:14:08.920 way if you want to solve the dirty bomb the suitcase bomb scenario then have the most exquisite border

00:14:14.860 security don't you know don't tell me about the threat you know in some persian mountain oceans away

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00:14:53.840 might this whole thing about america has to have this permanent cold and or hot war with iran because

00:15:00.040 of just what a shiite islamist theocracy they are or something is just completely bare stupid

00:15:06.520 propaganda yes they supported the militia that bombed the beirut barracks in 1983 which victor

00:15:13.800 ostrovsky the former massad officer says israel knew about and didn't warn us but anyway that was in

00:15:19.840 1983 ronald reagan sold the missiles in 1984 and 85 in order to get the hostages out and by the time

00:15:26.680 bill clinton came into power you had alexander haig who had been ronald reagan's secretary of state

00:15:33.240 and henry kissinger's you know so supposed to acolyte right you had zbigni brzezinski who along

00:15:39.560 with jimmy carter was tied with him for egg all over his face for the iranian revolution happening on

00:15:45.040 their watch in 79 which in fact they even encouraged to let the french send the ayatollah back to inherit

00:15:50.740 that revolution he was the most embarrassed man in america for the iranian revolution he agreed and

00:15:57.220 guess who else dick cheney the ceo of halliburton in the 1990s these men said we should normalize

00:16:03.960 relations with iran we should build pipelines from the caspian basin across iran to the persian gulf

00:16:09.400 this is a way to one screw russia that'll be a topic for a separate interview but two this would be a way

00:16:14.500 to bring iran back in from the cold and normalize relations the revolution was a long time ago and

00:16:19.920 there's no reason in the world we can't be friends with them but you guys know what happened the

00:16:24.000 israel lobby said no and it was you know martin indyk who worked for bill clinton had just been an

00:16:31.860 employee of yitzhak shamir the lakud uh uh prime minister of israel and then he came and he was the

00:16:37.800 one who insisted on the creation of the dual containment policy that bill clinton um inaugurated

00:16:44.740 officially inaugurated after the fake uh assassination attempt against hw bush in 1993

00:16:51.480 that meant permanent cold war permanent containment of iraq and iran from bases in saudi arabia for the

00:16:59.500 rest of the century and that was the primary cause of america britain and saudi arabia's pet al-qaeda

00:17:06.140 terrorists that they backed in afghanistan in bosnia in kosovo and in chechnya all through the 90s

00:17:13.140 because still this was the reason that they turned on the united states and even while they

00:17:17.540 were attacking us all through the 90s bill clinton kept backing them anyway saying well whatever what

00:17:22.280 are they going to do set off a truck bomb overseas somewhere who cares terrorism is a small price to

00:17:26.640 pay for being an empire they said but it was israel's insistence that america adopt this policy we could

00:17:32.980 offshore balance from the gulf but also at america's insistence part i mean pardon me at partially at

00:17:39.220 israel's insistence america had beat up on iraq so bad in iraq war one the operation desert storm there

00:17:45.580 that they were deemed to be no longer powerful enough to balance against iran so that's why america

00:17:51.040 had to stay to balance against them both and that was what turned al-qaeda against america and caused

00:17:54.800 september 11th and kicked off this whole generation of war when we could have just told the israelis

00:17:59.520 to pipe down we have our own interests here and you're getting in the way of them and we'd have never

00:18:04.900 had the terror wars at all did you hear about what happened with joe kent today are you familiar with

00:18:10.960 i did yeah yeah his comment that uh it's clear that we started this war due to pressure from israel and

00:18:16.740 powerful american lobby what's your thought on that look he's just being honest man it used to be you're

00:18:22.940 just not allowed to talk about that polite company or whatever it is but i mean that's just all over the

00:18:27.440 mask is off it's the israel lobby versus everybody else some of us noticed a long time ago you know in

00:18:32.680 rock war ii in 2003 there was so many people jumping on that bandwagon it was kind of hard to

00:18:39.320 tell you might have thought the houston oil men were behind it or something but no it was israel's

00:18:43.340 fifth column in america the neoconservative movement they're all lakutenics richard pearl

00:18:47.600 paul wolfowitz douglas fithe and scooter libby and all of those guys that's who they are they're israel's

00:18:52.860 fifth column in america bill crystal and all the gang at the weekly standard jonah goldberg and the guys

00:18:57.560 at national review that's who they were fronting for to get us into that war they're so happy right now

00:19:01.580 that whole little batch yeah you you mentioned they are so frothed up on this and it is when we

00:19:08.780 see uh the casualties and the costs um you start to wonder how long uh we're going to endure that now

00:19:15.700 i i think what president trump has signaled is we're getting ready to declare victory and walk off the

00:19:20.840 field say you know whether you like the mowing the grass metaphor or not it's been mowed it was mowed when

00:19:27.460 we bombed the nuclear sites it's been mowed by killing the ayatollah and and whatever you know

00:19:32.920 diminishing the irgc's uh power projection capabilities but i mean if we do that what do

00:19:39.560 you see happening in iran is there like is are are we here 90 days from now scott saying gosh we were

00:19:45.120 all like worked up over that iran stuff but once america left life kind of went back to whatever

00:19:49.540 normal is and how does this resolve and everything just kind of you know the karg island got flowing

00:19:54.540 again and and it all went back to the way it was in february uh you know that sounds great and i would

00:20:03.820 absolutely encourage donald trump to call it whatever he wants and leave now and the real problem is and

00:20:10.640 i'm not the expert on this and i really don't like predicting too much i'm much better at analyzing

00:20:15.540 horrible things that already happened but um you know there's been a lot of analysis that says the

00:20:20.640 iranians won't let us quit so easy right that essentially you know the ayatollah had this

00:20:25.020 extremely conservative policy before if you'll remember after trump uh killed soleimani he just

00:20:30.480 fired a symbolic retaliation at an empty corner of an american base in iraqi kurdistan and did hurt

00:20:36.880 some guys with concussions and things but didn't kill anybody and that was a symbolic thing same thing last

00:20:41.380 june trump dropped 14 bunker busters on fordo and natance and then the ayatollah fired 14 missiles

00:20:48.100 in response and he even called ahead trump thanked him for calling ahead and letting them know that

00:20:51.960 they were about to fire some missiles again like the barest kind of open hand slap to prove that

00:20:56.700 they're not pacifists here but essentially nothing more than a symbolic kind of gesture but then the

00:21:02.700 idea here was no you're calling their bluff completely you're saying you're here to destroy their

00:21:06.780 government to overthrow their regime to to make their monopoly on force in persia cease to exist

00:21:13.580 well in all likelihood they're gonna use them or lose them right they're gonna they're gonna do

00:21:18.420 everything that they can to resist that and now in this case the idea would be if trump tries to just

00:21:24.320 say okay that's a victory that they will just keep hitting our bases and keep hitting israel until

00:21:30.100 we have to essentially go back or you know keep the war going long enough that the economies of

00:21:36.640 the rest of the world just are screaming uncle and that they have proven their point essentially that

00:21:42.000 they cannot be picked on so easily like saddam hussein's iraq you know you you uh uh

00:21:48.380 you talk about the ongoing um impact on these other countries i wonder if israel continues to take

00:21:57.220 the incoming that they've that they've taken and i i think that's terrible i think it's awful people have

00:22:01.780 been killed in israel as a result of this war but they've taken a lot of damage people have

00:22:06.440 died in israel as a result um i wonder at what point do they consider using the bomb like i'm

00:22:13.480 wondering what the limiting principle is on israel right now i used to think that it was like they

00:22:18.840 weren't going to be allowed to just go and uh get the ayatollah executed because that could throw the

00:22:25.000 country into chaos well now the country's not in chaos the country is diminished militarily

00:22:30.000 operating economically and and pretty much completely under the control of the irgc that's the state of

00:22:36.040 play in iran right now the state of play in israel is they're being bombarded by bombs and i do you

00:22:41.400 think scott that we should worry about israel contemplating the use of where's the line nuclear

00:22:46.880 weapons that obviously we all know they have yeah well

00:22:50.200 okay a couple things there i mean would netanyahu do it if he thought he wanted to needed to could

00:22:59.360 etc yeah like i don't think there's a limiting principle on him necessarily other than possibly

00:23:04.220 his friend donald trump telling him absolutely not i forbid america forbids it and on behalf of america

00:23:11.960 our policy is don't you dare kind of thing he might back down to that and trump actually said today

00:23:17.320 they're not even considering they never would he said i didn't actually see the clip but i saw the

00:23:21.100 quote on the twitter there so um what do you think there's that that's probably the most do you worry

00:23:26.560 about i was asking pearson if he worries about that i don't think that's a consideration at this

00:23:32.980 point i don't think we've gotten anywhere near that i i do agree that it could happen i don't think

00:23:37.460 netanyahu has qualms about using it but i don't think he's been pushed that far yet i just wonder

00:23:43.140 if this keeps going right and they keep taking i know we're not there yet but i'm trying to take us

00:23:47.640 to where the puck is going yeah i what i even if the united states stops bombing iran iran is not

00:23:55.960 going to stop bombing israel i really don't think that they are and and so if israel continues to take

00:24:01.660 those casualties the u.s is is withdrawing from the conflict i do see that as a scenario where it is

00:24:09.320 where the war cabinet in israel thinks about it and i hate that the thing is about it right is

00:24:14.700 there's no real military targets that iran has where israeli nuclear weapons are going to be much

00:24:21.600 more effective than a good satellite guided bomb anyway right so the only purpose of using nukes and

00:24:27.280 they don't have h-bombs i don't think there's any credible reports that israel has thermonuclear

00:24:31.400 weapons they do have atom bombs in various sizes and those those can get into the tens of kilotons for

00:24:36.420 sure um but their only real use here would be as ultimate blackmail to swear that they'll destroy

00:24:42.020 the capital city and kill everyone in it if is if the iranians don't just back down but i don't think

00:24:47.720 that would work and i don't think that israeli intelligence probably would assess that that would

00:24:52.320 work i mean you know i'm no anthropologist guys like i don't know everything about this but i know

00:24:59.060 that just like jewish israelis have this kind of cult of victimhood based on the holocaust and other

00:25:04.860 pogroms and persecutions of jews through history that you know which are all terrible of course

00:25:10.420 yes and and their suffering is at sort of the center of their experience and and all of that well it's

00:25:15.120 the same thing with the shiites ever since they lost the big battle of karbala in 700 whatever it

00:25:21.620 is right and so there's this cult of martyrdom where it's not just honored to like risk your life

00:25:27.800 for your country or your people but it's better to die trying right to be literally martyred in that

00:25:34.020 way we we use the term martyr in our country much more sparingly or even sarcastically don't be such

00:25:38.620 a martyr right or if somebody if we somebody is considered a martyr someone who was killed

00:25:42.880 involuntarily right maybe who risked themselves but maybe was like just a totally innocent victim

00:25:48.980 or something like that but here it's like a cult of jumping on a grenade right i saw a thing of a

00:25:55.420 little boy saying to the old ayatollah i want to be martyred and the ayatollah says no first grow up and

00:26:00.700 be a scientist and then grow old like me and then be martyred but the boy is like young so that's you

00:26:05.500 know i'm not trying to that is like horrendous it is but it's pearson hears something like that and

00:26:12.040 says what value does that culture have at all i mean i well that that you know i i let me make

00:26:18.540 another point off of that if i can if i can wedge one more in here i would say matt and and pearson that

00:26:24.580 we have as westerners and as americans especially we as as civilians in this society anyway we have

00:26:33.820 the moral high ground to criticize many things about many countries and cultures all around the world

00:26:40.920 islamic and otherwise and the problem is is if you look at virtually all of the countries that we'd like

00:26:48.200 to criticize the most those countries the worst thing about them is our government they're destroying

00:26:55.120 them so like for example in somalia you might say the worst thing about somalia is a female circumcision

00:27:02.880 but i would say no it's the war that george w bush started there in december 2001 that is still going

00:27:08.900 on has killed hundreds of thousands of people and aided and abetted horrific famines and completely

00:27:13.820 destroyed that society usa uncle sam did that that's way worse than female circumcision it's the

00:27:19.920 same thing females being circumcised might might want a word on that point but i mean i get your

00:27:25.420 point as to scale but i i think like when you talk about cultural relativism be just pointing the

00:27:32.800 finger to the united states and saying we've done made a bunch of missteps in foreign policy doesn't

00:27:37.740 resolve the fact that like a culture would uh start slicing a 10 year old little girl no it doesn't

00:27:43.740 but it what it does is it it completely destroys the effectiveness of any american moral authority

00:27:49.440 to criticize where what we would like to see you know as harry brown the great libertarian would talk

00:27:54.740 about his great statue of liberty speech it was essentially lecturing the rest of the world that

00:27:58.740 they don't do liberty right they're not good enough not like us their bill of rights is not good enough

00:28:03.000 their separation of powers and true accountability in most cases it's just might makes right in most

00:28:09.080 countries in the world and it's why like as bad as we've done with the debt and our monetary policy

00:28:14.780 and the fed i actually still bet on the u.s dollar relative to the currency in the society which you're

00:28:21.400 mentioning because it's like the one thing you can't steal from people without consequence like

00:28:26.820 almost any other currency uh they can just take it from you and you don't really have a redress and

00:28:32.320 the u.s dollar is different in that regard and it's probably why we've been able to be so

00:28:36.000 irresponsible with it otherwise but i guess what i'm just trying to say is i can think of like

00:28:41.520 getting up on my high horse and lecturing the islamic world about all kinds of problems that they got

00:28:46.640 you know they they stone stone people to death for converting religions in pakistan they they rape

00:28:52.940 each other's sons instead of dating each other's sisters in afghanistan i don't know how they still

00:28:57.020 haven't figured that out they got yeah they got they got crazy problems in in kurdistan in east africa

00:29:03.060 they have the problem with female general mutilation that i mentioned and there's all kinds

00:29:07.520 of things that it would be great i think for america to lecture them about if we weren't just our we our

00:29:13.560 government wasn't destroying their societies and completely undermining our entire moral standing

00:29:19.540 to try to criticize and and help people in the right way i mean for example nobody not even us

00:29:26.860 does real good free market capitalism right but how could we as you mentioned the currencies around

00:29:33.420 the world how could we lecture anyone when we're sitting on the funniest money of all or or near

00:29:39.080 yeah it's just still the money everybody wants you know we sell all our debt at a better rate and still

00:29:44.040 and and one of the most corrupt uh governments and economic systems on the planet comparable to

00:29:49.080 the ccp well better than i mean perhaps corrupt that's one of my one of the principal indictments

00:29:55.380 i made you know during eight years in congress but still probably better than everyone else including

00:30:00.120 the ccp i i wanted i'm not disagreeing with that i wanted to get to russia look i'm from texas i'm not

00:30:05.060 i'm not an iranian and i'm not taking their side i'm taking america's side against what our government

00:30:09.960 is doing essentially in the name of fixing all the evils in the world they're destroying our country

00:30:15.620 they don't care about us at all pearson sharp final thoughts on the iran war before we go to russia

00:30:20.200 yeah well i had i had a question um so i mean the eggs have been cracked we are in this war now

00:30:25.820 like it or not what is a non-interventionist solution to this what would you do if you had

00:30:33.120 the power yeah i mean just as ron paul says in his new article today we're running it at antiwar.com

00:30:38.820 just come home pull everything out quick and let the chips fall where they may there is no same as

00:30:45.100 iraq same as syria same as afghanistan there's no good solution to tie these things up nice

00:30:50.580 and then leave set the table like we meant to and then go there is none of that we just have to stop

00:30:56.480 you know i wrote a book i've been saying this all along but i finally wrote a book in 2017 saying we

00:31:01.580 have to just get out of afghanistan it's the same result now as if we leave in five years or 10 years

00:31:06.460 or 20 years eventually the taliban is going to walk right back into kabul and that's it and then so we

00:31:12.420 should have just left when i wrote that book instead of wait until 21 and then the same thing

00:31:16.160 only worse but we've improved efficiency it took us 20 years to go from the taliban to the taliban

00:31:22.340 in afghanistan and as our friend kurt mills of the american conservative pointed out it only took us nine

00:31:27.680 days to go from khomeini to khomeini in in uh that's right ron um i i saw some headlines out scott about

00:31:34.660 how a lot of the enthusiasts for the u.s participation in the war between russia and ukraine

00:31:40.660 are concerned that now our our uh our bloodlust for regime change in the middle east has drawn our

00:31:48.480 attention away from the land war in europe and we really need to reinvigorate that lindsey graham has

00:31:55.020 said oh this is all connected we're we're going to take out all the bad guys maduro komeini uh putin

00:32:01.620 uh diaz canal and cuba and it's just we're going to get rid of graham it's it's just going to be this

00:32:06.920 this run through um the world and and and so let's just take a moment on where you see right

00:32:13.720 now the the russia ukraine war and do you call for kind of a similar solution where we just stop and

00:32:20.640 say our goals here are have either been accomplished or are no longer easily definable

00:32:25.740 yeah i mean first of all ain't that always the way with politics just fighting over whose war to

00:32:33.000 support instead of which one to oppose in any real kind of way um this is as george carlin said

00:32:39.340 something dirty about what bipartisanship really means you know i think you guys remember uh and

00:32:44.140 so that's it as long as you can have your war and we can have our war then we can compromise and fund

00:32:48.380 them both uh that's probably how it'll work out i think yes of course i absolutely agree that america

00:32:53.660 should just quit um if we could send some emissaries over there to try to work out a deal on the way out

00:32:58.720 that's fine too but not by making any promises of paying anyone or security guarantees of any kind

00:33:03.160 or arming up anyone's military or any kind of thing like that we need to just absolutely butt out

00:33:07.840 of course politically it's very difficult to do because joe biden you know when he left and and

00:33:14.060 donald trump was sworn into this thing uh we have america committed up to our eyeballs to helping this

00:33:19.900 country defend from invasion after all right and so leaving them high and dry is sort of the ultimate

00:33:26.120 bay of pigs or like uh the betrayal of the shiite uprising of 91 or this kind of thing which

00:33:31.120 hell the betrayal of the tajik uzbeks and hazaras in afghanistan sorry if we promised we were going to

00:33:36.860 protect y'all actually we're not i guess some point you just have to call it quits there is no

00:33:42.120 win everybody knows there's not we didn't marry the ukrainians just because biden made those bad

00:33:47.320 decisions i don't think trump owns them going forward uh pearson spent time in the donbass region

00:33:52.360 recently he's updated our audience on on his thoughts as this is continuing to unfold if the

00:33:57.660 administration did what scott horton just suggested and just stopped sending the money i mean walk us

00:34:03.180 through your assessment of what happens next in in eastern ukraine and in in crimea and really in

00:34:09.060 kiev i mean putin has made his objectives clear many many times you know he has he has absolutely no

00:34:15.160 interest in invading europe or the world he just wants to secure his backyard as i think anyone would when

00:34:21.080 they're being uh threatened by nato for decades broken promise after broken promise we pushed

00:34:26.740 them into this and so i think if we stop supporting this this new cold hot war against them i think the

00:34:33.320 situation would resolve fairly quickly ukraine has no ability to stand on its own legs uh russia would

00:34:38.700 take its objectives that they've said they wanted all along eastern ukraine maybe a little bit more i've

00:34:42.820 had um some some people in russia tell me that they want to take the entire ukraine i don't think

00:34:48.780 that's necessarily putin's objective would that happen if we stopped funding the war would europe

00:34:53.600 put up enough of a fight for western ukraine or do you see kiev falling i kiev would fall kiev would

00:35:00.420 fall i'm fairly certain do you think that's true scott yes i i think so i i think you know as i argued

00:35:07.680 in my book provoked about all this that essentially the russians you know war is a government program

00:35:13.960 right every it's all this is all self-licking ice cream cone stuff so the first thing they did was

00:35:18.660 say okay well we've got to go and protect all the ethnic russians or uh russian speakers in the far

00:35:23.480 east in the donbass there and then it grows they get mad after a humiliation in september 22

00:35:28.520 putin then declares he's now fully annexing saprosia and kursan as well well if they take all of that

00:35:34.660 and they leave kiev the the current regime in power there well then what about all those russian

00:35:40.780 speakers between the river and the donbass in denipro petrovsk and um in sumi and harkiv and all

00:35:48.340 those you could see how the the propaganda writes itself well we have to protect them too because now

00:35:55.420 they're an even smaller russian minority inside a country dominated by ethnic ukrainian chauvinists

00:36:02.020 from the far west of the country now that russia has removed everyone who likes russia out of the

00:36:07.520 country now it's or almost all of them now it's dominated by people who are extremely right-wing

00:36:14.220 uh fascists in many cases from the west so then it only makes sense that well now you have to take

00:36:20.360 all the land east of the river but now kiev is on both sides of the river so you're gonna have to go

00:36:25.180 ahead and take kiev on the west side of the river too and then but now and this is a country the size

00:36:29.580 of texas by the way it's humongous the size of afghanistan it's humongous and but so now even if with

00:36:35.300 the national regime destroyed you still have half of texas to conquer that's full of heavily armed

00:36:42.120 insurgents and it's in the west of the country where they actually have some forests and some

00:36:46.300 swamps in the carpathian mountains from which to base an insurgency so i mean the stalinists weren't

00:36:52.120 done crushing the insurgency in ukraine cia supported by the way until the late 1950s 1958 it took them

00:36:58.880 10 years after the war more 13 years after the war to crush the ukrainian insurgency then

00:37:04.000 so if if putin decides that well he's come this far and now he has this absolutely incorrigible

00:37:11.460 nazi-led insurgency in the west of the country it only makes sense to keep marching and i'm afraid

00:37:16.520 this thing could go on for many years yeah but the issue is that the united states and and the west are

00:37:21.600 propping up these neo-nazis in ukraine and i think that if zelinski gets out hold on hold on i gotta

00:37:29.680 put like when you say these neo-nazis you're not are you talking about the zelinski government are

00:37:36.420 you talking about the azov battalion yes who exactly are you describing i mean what is your

00:37:41.000 basis the government itself is riddled with neo-nazis uh zelinski zelinski works his uh the

00:37:46.340 guy in charge of the azov battalion he works very closely with him he praised him highly several other

00:37:50.820 people highly placed in the government have been closely linked with the neo-nazi movement for

00:37:55.560 decades especially in the military especially in the military yeah what was the azov battalion is

00:38:00.860 now the 12th special forces brigade inside the national guard and it was the third separate

00:38:06.520 infantry division it's now called the third army corps under the control of a guy named andrei

00:38:11.080 beletsky who's from the patriot of ukraine gang and is an absolutely close aryan supremacist

00:38:18.240 like we you can read check this out guys if you go to uh everyone in the audience um go to

00:38:23.540 antiwar.com slash blog or just google that antiwar.com blog and racial social nationalism

00:38:30.400 by andrei beletsky and in fact guys you're probably familiar if you've ever read about ukrainian nazis

00:38:35.920 you've almost always seen this one part of a quote where the guy says we must lead the white races of

00:38:41.460 the world against the semitic led which means subhumans in german right the nazi term so that quote

00:38:48.380 comes from this speech yeah i don't get it it doesn't matter it doesn't matter why would they

00:38:54.180 why would it's great cover for there be an anti-semitic nazi that

00:38:58.320 so he's not a national socialist and his predecessor was not either but many of the people who work for

00:39:04.580 them are in the national police and the military does yeah um and this is all in my book provoked

00:39:11.000 by the way i go into the entire history of the origin of these nazi groups in the second world war in

00:39:15.620 the aftermath of the holodomor and how they welcomed the nazis when they came and then were

00:39:20.900 especially persecuted by the soviets once the nazis were defeated and how backed by the cia and the

00:39:27.160 the brits um through the cold war and especially in the united states you'll have to refresh my memory

00:39:32.660 on this guy's name you probably know who i'm talking about but um in 2013 2014 uh when you had um

00:39:40.600 you had our government going over there they were standing up on stage promoting this neo-nazi movement

00:39:48.740 the far-right ultra-right nationalist group who were there talking about killing the jews and and

00:39:54.540 bringing up the white supremacists they were the people that that we were over there supporting and

00:40:00.100 giving our money to and they were the people who helped overthrow the the government you know in 2014

00:40:06.140 but back to my my point what i was going to say was andre peruby and dmitry yarash are the names

00:40:12.180 you're looking for there yeah yeah um but back to my point i don't think that that that regime will

00:40:17.560 continue when it loses u.s support um i've been to ukraine and i've been to russia and i've been to

00:40:22.220 the donbass and the people that i talked to there and this was back in 2016 i was in ukraine

00:40:26.440 all the ukrainians i talked to said we don't care if russia comes in and takes the west the east

00:40:32.800 like those are all russians anyway let them have it that's fine with us we don't care if they take

00:40:37.100 crimea and so i think the majority of ukrainians don't really care about this they're not

00:40:42.220 fundamentalists so when we when we stop supporting the nazis i think putin will stop having this

00:40:47.400 reason to go in there and destroy these regions because they won't have support anymore

00:40:52.400 well i hope so but then i mean the the rump of ukraine whatever's left of ukraine if it's

00:40:59.240 you know includes land east of the river or not um i think that leaves you know all the european

00:41:05.060 powers in the united states it's you know i don't me and ron paul don't get our way where the empire

00:41:09.120 just completely dissolves right so like there's still going to be the question of the sovereignty

00:41:14.240 of what's now western ukraine and um it'll become like you protectorate like i i see i see a world in

00:41:22.800 which eastern ukraine becomes you know essentially russia maybe some uh independent region but for all

00:41:31.120 practical purposes run out of moscow and western uh ukraine becomes a an eu protectorate and and it

00:41:39.860 it is not even fully autonomous if we can get a moderate leader in there and replace zelinski i think

00:41:44.760 that would go a long way to satisfying moscow's requirements oh i i think that scott actually makes the

00:41:50.800 the far better point in his book and that is this is not a function of you know zelinski or yanukovych

00:41:57.480 or any any any any any particular twist and turn of a prosecution or a a government in ukraine it is

00:42:03.480 a function of the nato strategy of encirclement and that uh works until it doesn't you know and i i

00:42:10.100 think we reached that breaking point i've long believed that we should have extended nato membership

00:42:15.560 to russia in the 90s and position positioned it more as an anti-sino alliance and and and nato could

00:42:21.900 have actually been an effective counterterrorism force uh if russia was was more integrated into

00:42:26.940 the security picture but the notion that you're now going to have a security infrastructure in europe

00:42:31.800 that somehow doesn't include russia it seems impractical to me it seems like that's you're never

00:42:38.040 going to have true security in that regard you buy that um you know i used to really believe that

00:42:44.400 that was the agenda because the all the kind of right-wing criticism in the clinton years especially

00:42:49.720 from the birchers and stuff was all about like look they're creating their nato russia council they're

00:42:54.280 going to bring russia into nato we're going to have a one world white army of the north basically

00:42:58.320 under the united nations enforcing the new world order against china and islamic south asia and whoever

00:43:04.300 the new enemies are as america and russia merged together i thought that was the worst thing that

00:43:08.240 could happen um but you know what orienting the entire empire against them i mean i think we're

00:43:14.640 lucky that it's only why would that have been bad you you think that would have been is it just you

00:43:19.560 believe that would have been too much power centralized because that is what putin was pitching trump in

00:43:25.620 alaska the thing you just said you were afraid of i think that was what putin was pitching

00:43:30.180 i mean yeah the problem is with the empire at all is you have to have a massive national government

00:43:36.920 here at home in order to have a world empire abroad it's just completely incompatible with having a

00:43:42.160 constitutional republic and you know people like pat buchanan and the other paleo conservatives

00:43:46.420 after the cold war they said all right good job we beat them commies but now we can come home

00:43:52.260 the threat after the second world war was that this is an emergency we got world communism under

00:43:57.240 stalin and then under mal seitan and turning the whole world red like that old john birch mapper

00:44:02.200 and that's got to be stopped pat buchanan even to this day i think still stands by the war in vietnam

00:44:07.560 we had to do what we had to do to keep them commies at bay but as soon as the soviet union dissolved

00:44:11.980 they said hey forget it we want our constitution back and so that's the thing of it what you say

00:44:17.800 matt makes sense it's it's obvious that it would be much better than the position that they've taken

00:44:24.280 but you know in fact what bush senior and later bill clinton proposed under the csce which later

00:44:31.120 became the osce and under the partnership for peace was that we would scrap the alliance because who

00:44:37.640 needs an alliance we don't have any enemies but what we'll do is we'll bring you into this common

00:44:43.400 security architecture with us so that you will be and and not only the russians but also eastern europe

00:44:50.340 and so for example obviously the extremely contentious issue of ukraine would be totally

00:44:56.560 neutralized since they're both joining at the same time in fact they were already members of the csce

00:45:01.380 bush senior said we're just going to scrap nato we're going to make it a political organization

00:45:05.140 and we're going to build up the csce bill clinton's people later promised the same thing to yeltsin in

00:45:10.760 the form of the partnership for peace he said this is brilliant i love it i love you tell bill clinton

00:45:15.420 i love him this is the greatest thing ever and then bill clinton turned around and screwed him and said

00:45:19.300 no actually we're going to expand nato at your expense and so um but but again the major point

00:45:25.740 there being yeah who needs an alliance we don't need to fight china we don't need to fight iran we

00:45:30.020 don't need to fight anybody but what we can do is we can have this common security architecture so that

00:45:34.960 you know when there's trouble brewing in the balkans we can compromise and work these things out

00:45:40.100 instead of fighting as blocks yeah no i i think that is the common ground between uh my position which

00:45:46.000 might be slightly more hawk hawkish than the than the true true libertarian position but we'll have

00:45:50.260 to work together to fight the aliens anyway and so um you know that'll bring us that will bring us

00:45:55.940 together uh we have a few minutes left and i do want to talk about cuba just because it's so

00:45:59.920 hot right now um i look i've known marco rubio since 2005 i used to carry his bag when he was a state

00:46:06.760 legislator at times uh i know that in the community that raised him this issue of cuba is not uh like a

00:46:14.860 political distant thing it's like a kitchen table issue in in in uh a lot of these places in miami

00:46:20.600 dade county uh this regime looks like it's it's i mean it's going to fall it's what it looks like to

00:46:26.260 me uh do you do you read it differently scott i've really had no way to measure that whatsoever i'm

00:46:32.200 sorry to say i mean clearly they have a completely crummy commie regime there their economy is just

00:46:39.520 trash right already and then you have this massive you know economic war against them a virtual total

00:46:46.100 blockade of oil um and so i know that right now they have a the whole island the electricity is

00:46:52.340 shut off they have a total blackout um but whether that means that the regime is about to fall i don't

00:46:57.920 know about that that could be a very different question in fact if you look at the 1990s every bit

00:47:02.860 of economic persecution of the poor iraqis all it did was hurt them and empower saddam hussein relative

00:47:08.900 to them yeah i i just see ds canal trying to work a deal i mean he's telling he's forecasting it i

00:47:14.840 just don't know enough about that yeah that he's that he's i hope you're right well i guess so are

00:47:18.780 you uh are you here for uh for a free cuba person i mean i'd love a free cuba how much that involves

00:47:24.420 us getting into the middle of it is another question you don't want to be the homeowners

00:47:27.880 association of havana well i'm i'm not i'm skeptical about how legitimate american power can be

00:47:37.540 used abroad like in any situation 90 miles away but i understand and so that's where it changes

00:47:42.240 the equation because i think we do have some sort of obligation to our own security and our own

00:47:46.800 borders in our own backyard um and by the way guys president jack kennedy gave america's solemn word

00:47:55.660 that we would not invade cuba again that we would not do a regime change there i guess they did try some

00:48:01.020 assassination plots after that but this is the same promise that they gave the russians we're not

00:48:06.020 going to expand nato yeah yeah it matters it matters if a president has honored it uh with

00:48:11.940 other presidents honor previous president's promises in those ways ratified by the senate or not and in

00:48:17.040 fact that promise has held all through from jack kennedy all the way through now i think any promise

00:48:22.660 that's lasted like 50 plus years is pretty much held yeah at this point at that point i think you can

00:48:29.720 reassess and say well it's a different half century right now and we have what's a half century between

00:48:34.720 friends yeah scott horton thank you so much for joining us for this incredible discussion uh thank

00:48:39.280 you very much and again uh antiwar.com is uh a site i read regularly uh scott's published there our good

00:48:45.780 friend dave de camp is the news editor there uh scott where else can folks go to follow your coordinates

00:48:50.940 and keep up with your your insights and analysis as uh as all this continues to unfold uh well it's uh

00:48:57.840 kind of a long list but i'll tell you what the most important thing is go to the facts about iran.com

00:49:02.560 i've got that set up a good background on american and iranian history and policy here and i'll have

00:49:07.940 an update here about the current war and all that uh real soon that's the facts about iran.com and

00:49:12.480 then otherwise i'm at antiwar.com the libertarian institute the scott horton academy the scott

00:49:18.220 horton show as well as provoked with uh daryl cooper and uh oh and i wrote fool's errand enough

00:49:24.680 already and promote the man who's always provoked my co-host pearson sharp any uh any comments as we

00:49:30.540 sign off no no i uh i'm just really i i'm kind of with you scott i i disagree on getting involved in

00:49:36.780 a lot of these things but once we're in it it's hard to figure out how to get a worry out of it so

00:49:40.320 i don't know i don't know it's it's a tough situation we'll be right back thanks so much

00:49:46.280 thanks for joining us scott absolutely thank you guys we're back pearson uh as you look at the weeks

00:49:52.880 and months ahead we got this situation in iran we got the situation in cuba it sounds from what you and

00:49:59.460 scott said conflict will remain in between russia and ukraine are we in a ramp up on conflict or or

00:50:07.900 a ramp down you it's pretty easy to say things aren't getting calmer around the world at this

00:50:12.800 point and uh ecuador as well oh my gosh what's going on there oh yeah we're starting a drug war

00:50:17.700 in ecuador now uh we're helping them go after all the cartels down there so it's not clear if we're

00:50:22.880 actually going to be putting police on the ground or anything like that it's just intelligence at this

00:50:25.800 point but yeah uh we're helping them get rid of the cartels so well and i think the cartels are

00:50:30.240 they are finding less of a permissive environment in central america as more right-wing governments

00:50:34.920 are taking thanks to bukele bukele and and we're hopeful for what we're seeing in panama and honduras

00:50:40.320 it's um venezuela yeah there are fewer and fewer places for them to operate but you know the other

00:50:45.380 big story that i think is unresolved and still developing here at home is all this fraud i mean right

00:50:50.460 i'm glad vice president vance is dialed in on this and building out a team these fraud cases do take

00:50:57.620 a little bit of time but just like the size and scope and scale of it i see it with the people who

00:51:02.840 work around here at our studio who come to work every day work hard are moving up in a solid

00:51:08.440 corporation and they're like oh like some somali group of brothers has 150 grand in cash to go to try

00:51:15.640 bribe some juror because of the millions they stole and it just makes you feel sometimes like

00:51:21.400 like you're the mark in a system we are the mark worked against you i mean you just saw the story

00:51:25.660 about nick shirley here in in california in san diego right 100 170 million in fraud in the hospice

00:51:31.720 homes like stealing from the dying yeah like you talk about shameless stealing from the dying so

00:51:37.260 abroad you say conflict is ramping up at home it seems like we're on we're discovering more fraud

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - March 20, 2026

The Anchormen Show EP 111 - The Case Against American Empire w⧸ Pearson Sharp and Scott Horton

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