The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - May 07, 2026


The Anchormen Show EP 117 - Is Islam a Religion of Peace？ w⧸ Dr. Isik Abla


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In this episode of Anchor, Dr. Saje Akla talks about her conversion from the Islamic faith to Christianity and how it changed her life. Dr. Akla is a Christian broadcaster and founder of Issa Gabwa Ministries. She was born and raised in Turkey and grew up in a devout Muslim home. At age 12, she was brainwashed to believe that the best thing she could do for Allah was to become a suicide bomber. She converted to Christianity, became a broadcaster, and became a Christian.

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00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp welcome back to the
00:00:09.920 anchorman show i'm joined as always by my co-host pearson sharp he hosts the sharp report here on
00:00:14.640 one america news i host the matt gates show every night nine o'clock eastern six pacific and we have
00:00:19.460 a terrific guest with us for this episode of anchorman dr ishak abla is a former member of
00:00:25.540 the Islamic faith. She said she was an extremist in that religion, and she's now a Christian,
00:00:30.840 converted to Christianity, became a Christian broadcaster, and is founder of Issa Gabwa
00:00:35.340 Ministries. And now that this, you know, this ceasefire is off, and there's so much talk about
00:00:41.720 the intersection of culture alongside the events in the news, we thought that it would be great
00:00:46.900 to have this discussion. Dr. Gabwa, thank you for being here. Maybe if you could start by
00:00:51.060 taking us through your journey from the Islamic faith to Christianity.
00:00:57.600 Thank you so much for having me.
00:01:00.400 I was born and raised in Istanbul, Turkey, in a devout Muslim home.
00:01:05.420 I grew up during civil war years in Turkey in a very hostile environment.
00:01:12.140 I grew up basically in the mosque, memorizing most of the Koran through my great-grandmother, who was an authority in Islam.
00:01:22.820 There was hostility, violence, and home life, and hostility on the outside of the home, in the mosque, on the streets. 0.92
00:01:31.340 I grew up seeing arms and legs flying in the air, people killing each other, so I developed a complex PTSD at an early age, living in fear for my life.
00:01:44.200 I went to a Koran course at age 12. 0.75
00:01:46.960 I was looking for answers, trying to understand why all these things were happening. 1.00
00:01:52.140 And in that Koran course, I was programmed to hate Christians and Jews, infidels. 1.00
00:02:00.740 and I was brainwashed that the biggest heroic act I could do for Allah 1.00
00:02:07.000 was to become a suicide bomber.
00:02:09.140 And I was told so many other things that sound so far from what I believe right now. 0.97
00:02:16.520 However, I started believing what they said and they told us the absolute truth.
00:02:22.300 Wait, so you believed, sorry, it's just an important point to touch.
00:02:26.160 There was a point in your life where you actually aspired to be a suicide bomber? 0.58
00:02:31.100 You believed them that that would be a good thing? 1.00
00:02:33.340 Because, you know, I know people who are members of the Islamic faith, 0.99
00:02:37.620 and what they would say is that that teaching is an affront to Islam.
00:02:42.280 That is a sin against Islam to teach people to do terrorism.
00:02:46.340 But did you actually have that mentality and that viewpoint? 0.98
00:02:50.900 Yeah, it's one time in my life I hit that mentality. 0.99
00:02:54.600 I think we need to separate Islam as a personal faith, and then Islam as a dangerous ideology, but it becomes radical Islam. 0.99
00:03:04.080 So there are some Quranic verses that orders believers and followers to kill in the name of Allah. 0.97
00:03:12.940 And we called at that time, good Muslims that we call in the Western world, which don't believe in, just like you said, jihad, physical jihad. 0.98
00:03:22.560 But we call them backsliders who hated Allah instead of truly loving Allah to an extent to die for Him. 0.99
00:03:31.340 How did your life change when you became a Christian? 0.96
00:03:35.260 My life changed the day one.
00:03:37.540 I became a soul winner.
00:03:39.380 It was the day I was going to commit suicide. 0.75
00:03:42.360 I was planning my suicide.
00:03:44.320 Nothing worked for me.
00:03:45.660 Highly educated.
00:03:47.300 Nothing could help me with my depression and suicidal thoughts.
00:03:50.700 I felt like a failure for Allah, for my family.
00:03:55.440 And on the day I was going to kill myself, my Christian boss called me to his office
00:04:01.420 and started telling me about Jesus and his love.
00:04:04.880 And I knew he was real, and I knew he was in the room.
00:04:09.280 I knew no theology.
00:04:11.120 I couldn't explain Trinity, but I knew Jesus Christ was the only way,
00:04:16.080 and I surrendered my life to him, and everything changed.
00:04:18.540 So I just want to ask, what were you, if you could tell us, what were you planning on doing before you were stopped?
00:04:27.960 You mean suicide?
00:04:29.700 Yeah.
00:04:30.760 Yes. I was in Miami and I was planning to fly my car from a bridge that day.
00:04:37.040 So I was sitting at my desk. At that time I was studying computer network engineering.
00:04:43.240 As a matter of fact, building Bible websites for that Christian company. 0.90
00:04:49.080 And I was just looking at the screen and planning my suicide.
00:04:52.740 And then I went to the restroom and I had a closure with Allah, which God I didn't know at that time.
00:04:59.360 And I yelled at him and came back to my office and my boss called me and started sharing.
00:05:05.500 And so it was your deep-seated belief that this is what Allah wanted you to do.
00:05:11.060 As a Muslim, you were supposed to do this.
00:05:14.600 Oh, absolutely. I had no doubt.
00:05:16.580 But later on, I met a Muslim, radical Muslim man. 1.00
00:05:19.840 He introduced me to different types of jihad.
00:05:22.980 He said, we don't have to fight physically.
00:05:25.980 We don't have to bomb until certain time.
00:05:29.820 But we can do a jihad in different ways, like political jihad, population jihad, economical
00:05:35.860 jihad, media jihad.
00:05:37.920 And he started introducing educational jihad to me. 0.57
00:05:41.620 We started sending missionary, Muslim missionary students to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, 0.99
00:05:47.720 so they can graduate from very powerful schools to become people of power.
00:05:54.340 Doctor, I want to talk about Jesus for a moment,
00:05:56.940 because what you described, feeling Jesus in the room,
00:06:02.380 it is so common to people who go through salvation,
00:06:07.000 that it's not just a decision you make.
00:06:09.880 you feel God's presence there with you, walking you on that path. And I wonder how that squared
00:06:15.480 with anything you had heard about Jesus before. I can't imagine in your life, even in your teaching,
00:06:21.460 there had been no reference to Christ or Jesus or his life. So what was your knowledge of Jesus
00:06:27.120 before that moment when you walked on the path with him to Christianity?
00:06:32.200 Oh, thank you. Jesus was a prophet, only a prophet for me. And as a matter of fact,
00:06:37.800 I had dreams about Jesus when I was a little girl.
00:06:40.820 He told me he was the only way.
00:06:42.560 But when I talk about those dreams, I got in trouble.
00:06:46.500 So I didn't want to talk about Jesus anymore, even as a prophet,
00:06:50.600 until I met this guy who was so passionate about his faith in Christianity.
00:06:58.080 And he started telling me about Jesus as if Jesus was his friend.
00:07:03.140 And that started really doing something in my heart.
00:07:06.000 but I didn't want to accept them until that time.
00:07:09.160 So I want to ask you a point-blank question.
00:07:12.900 We here in America are bludgeoned with the phrase over and over again
00:07:19.080 that Islam is a religion of peace.
00:07:21.560 What is your response to that?
00:07:24.700 After a smile to that statement, yes, Islam is a religion of peace
00:07:30.120 when everybody becomes a Muslim.
00:07:33.340 Islam is a religion of peace, if you can show me a very peaceful Muslim country around the world. 1.00
00:07:40.620 Islam is not a peaceful religion. This is part of media jihad, 1.00
00:07:44.700 to tell people this lie over and over until they believe it. 0.98
00:07:48.380 When we see peaceful Muslims, they are not good Muslims, according to Koran. 1.00
00:07:53.180 And I think we have an understanding, misunderstanding, what good Muslim,
00:07:58.300 what religion of islam is a peaceful religion mean in the western world i am not speaking from
00:08:05.020 a theory i'm speaking from a memory i live this and are you saying that then it is it is an 0.97
00:08:10.700 organizing view of this sect or group that you're involved in that muslims can't live in peace with
00:08:16.780 with christians with jews or even with muslims who don't take that extremist militant viewpoint
00:08:23.760 Yes, I wasn't directly part of the sect.
00:08:26.300 We were like several sects that we grouped together, and we became even more radical.
00:08:30.980 That is why I was kind of hesitant to give a name, because it wasn't only one leader we were under at that time,
00:08:38.440 but it was under a radical jihad without physical or bombing places to invade the Western world. 0.80
00:08:47.240 Yes, when we are talking about Muslims, we need to also separate Islam as a spiritual personal faith
00:08:54.480 than Islam as a radical ideology.
00:08:57.900 Well, yeah, that was very interesting when you said it earlier, and I don't think we fully unpacked it.
00:09:02.020 Distinguish for me the ideology from the faith.
00:09:06.000 Yes, Islam as a faith is when somebody is just obtaining their daily spiritual personal role
00:09:13.220 with their own God, whoever that God is.
00:09:16.560 and praying five times a day, giving their arms, so forth and so on.
00:09:21.460 But when we are talking about an ideology of Islam,
00:09:24.860 it is, for example, replacing our constitution with Sharia law 0.83
00:09:29.140 and believing that every house in the Western world, in the world, 0.79
00:09:33.700 should become a Muslim house, including our White House. 0.91
00:09:36.940 So then Islam becomes the ideology, replaces the law, 1.00
00:09:40.920 and doesn't respect other individuals in their personal faith, 0.82
00:09:45.640 Are those separate? That was such a terrific explanation. It really was because you walked through how the faith path leads to political goals, you know, that you believe are reflected in the Koran.
00:09:58.160 I wonder if they're separable, you know. We don't really, I worry about political Islam as a governing philosophy a lot more than I might worry about my neighbor who practices in the Islamic faith.
00:10:14.360 And I wonder if there's a way to stay on the right side of all that in your viewpoint. 0.79
00:10:19.180 One leads to the other, though.
00:10:21.020 Well, I don't...
00:10:22.060 It's a path.
00:10:23.800 You begin with the peaceful neighbor, and the ideology spreads, and you have Sharia law.
00:10:28.420 Like, my neighbor isn't trying to subject my household to Sharia law. 1.00
00:10:31.860 He's a bad Muslim. 0.96
00:10:33.020 Well, that's what I think she's saying, is that there are people who would say that not proselytizing in that extreme way is a violation. 0.96
00:10:42.140 So you're counting on people who are following the religion badly to justify the religion's presence.
00:10:48.020 Oh, I believe that the people who are engaged in terrorism are the ones following the religion badly. 0.61
00:10:53.020 But, I mean, as she explained, it clearly says in the Koran that you must do these things. 1.00
00:10:57.020 Well, it says a lot of things in the Bible that we don't take quite as literally also about conquest and violence.
00:11:04.660 Well, right, but we have—Christianity is a religion of peace, and we have the New Testament.
00:11:08.480 We have salvation through Jesus Christ.
00:11:11.020 I mean, the law, we aren't held to the law anymore.
00:11:14.780 It's changed. 1.00
00:11:16.140 And so Islam spreads by fear and conquest. 0.73
00:11:21.040 Christianity spreads by peace.
00:11:23.480 I mean...
00:11:24.000 Christianity's been spread by conquest in some cases. 0.51
00:11:26.040 No, Christianity has protected itself through conquest. 0.88
00:11:29.660 We faced 700 years of Muslim invasion in Europe. 1.00
00:11:32.840 Brutal slaughter, death, destruction. 1.00
00:11:35.180 They were trying to destroy our civilization.
00:11:37.420 We fought back the only way we could. 0.89
00:11:39.100 That was the Crusades.
00:11:40.320 to thank God we had the Crusades. 1.00
00:11:41.900 We need more of them. 1.00
00:11:42.720 We need another one.
00:11:44.100 I mean...
00:11:44.400 I think we might be in one.
00:11:45.640 Well, not for the right reasons.
00:11:47.600 But in any case...
00:11:48.760 What would be the reason
00:11:50.040 for the righteous crusade
00:11:51.080 that Pearson Sharp's ready to lead?
00:11:53.060 What would be the reason
00:11:53.820 to go on another crusade?
00:11:54.860 Where do we go?
00:11:55.400 To liberate the Western world 1.00
00:11:58.020 from Islam, 1.00
00:11:58.760 from the tyranny of Islam. 1.00
00:12:00.020 Do you think that 1.00
00:12:01.520 that ought to be an objective 1.00
00:12:02.980 to drive Islam 1.00
00:12:04.140 out of the Western world, doctor? 1.00
00:12:06.240 To have the West
00:12:07.880 not be permissible 1.00
00:12:08.740 for this religion
00:12:09.500 that billions of people belong to?
00:12:11.900 Well, it is possible to protect our constitution and our borders in a wiser way, I do believe. 0.97
00:12:19.480 When Sharia wants to replace our governing law and wants to become a legal system, then 0.97
00:12:26.900 we are facing a non-negotiable problem. 0.96
00:12:30.620 And I think this is what we are facing right now and identify.
00:12:34.140 Yes, not all Muslims believe in terrorism.
00:12:37.780 And also, radical Muslims don't believe that they are terrorists.
00:12:41.220 They are freedom fighters. 0.99
00:12:42.880 And America is the biggest devil. 0.97
00:12:44.720 And they are trying to kill the Goliaths, in their opinion. 0.99
00:12:48.280 So it is a perspective problem.
00:12:50.340 It's an ignorance problem to not understand also what is going on right now.
00:12:55.700 That's a great point.
00:12:56.820 How do you fix that? 0.61
00:12:58.440 Because Pearson would say you fix the ignorance problem through another religious crusade.
00:13:02.660 I don't know that that would be successful and might have the direct opposite effect of its intended purpose.
00:13:09.400 How do you attack that ignorance that you so correctly described?
00:13:14.880 When there's ignorance, there's confusion and there's division.
00:13:18.320 And we are seeing it in our own country in America right now.
00:13:21.800 So the best way to address this is bringing clarity.
00:13:25.020 This is what I do. This is what you do.
00:13:26.700 And bringing the taboo subjects or the sensitive subjects, that we bring it because if we are not bringing and hiding them and not talking about them, we are just doing a bigger damage to our society.
00:13:39.880 So what we are doing is talking, we are exposing it, but exposing is not good enough.
00:13:45.140 We are also educating people.
00:13:46.820 This is what I do.
00:13:48.260 It's a slow, painful process, doctor, educating people.
00:13:51.900 No, hang on.
00:13:52.660 Okay, go ahead.
00:13:53.160 I want to push back on something.
00:13:54.120 I don't think, you've mischaracterized my position and my belief here.
00:13:57.520 I don't think that ignorance would lead to a crusade against Muslims.
00:14:01.560 I think ignorance is preventing a crusade against Muslims. 1.00
00:14:04.940 Because I think if people realize the threat that we're facing, that we would expel these foreigners from our country. 1.00
00:14:10.720 Andy Ogle. 1.00
00:14:11.560 They're not all foreigners. 1.00
00:14:12.480 And that's a problem.
00:14:13.860 Andy Ogle just posted.
00:14:15.200 Would you expel Americans who practice the Muslim faith? 1.00
00:14:17.640 Anyone who doesn't have allegiance to America first shouldn't be here. 1.00
00:14:22.520 And that's point, Blake.
00:14:23.700 Get rid of a good amount of Congress.
00:14:25.880 Exactly. Absolutely. That would solve a lot of problems.
00:14:27.720 Andy Ogles just posted that Muslims do not belong in America, point blank. 1.00
00:14:33.120 And I think that's absolutely accurate. 1.00
00:14:34.600 I think that violates a spirit of religious pluralism that has made America the envy of the world. 0.97
00:14:40.080 I think that it's not how you pray or where you pray. It's what you do. 0.89
00:14:44.280 And the actions that Dr. Abla has endured are tragic and consequential.
00:14:55.240 But I don't know that we can say to people, by virtue solely of your faith, you're not allowed here.
00:15:01.500 Well, it's the faith that drives the ideology. 1.00
00:15:03.960 I mean, Sharia law is a massive problem. 0.95
00:15:06.440 And I wanted to ask you, are you aware of the situation happening in Texas with Kent Paxson and how they found the Islamic tribunals?
00:15:14.280 going on down there absolutely and it is happening it has been happening when i talk about
00:15:19.820 islamization of america i'm talking about over 30 years ago i was part of this so it is not a
00:15:26.580 new thing to me but america is just waking up to the fact that this is happening and we need to
00:15:32.220 filter yes i totally agree we cannot label every muslim that they say i am a muslim is a threat is
00:15:39.580 a terrorist attack threat to america but there is a big percentage of it here in the united states 0.98
00:15:46.560 that are a threat to our freedom as citizens of america so when you hear about well hold on we're
00:15:54.240 gonna we're gonna hang on right there we're gonna take a quick break uh pearson sharp will be back
00:15:59.400 with dr islik alba to go or abla to go over where we go from here how big is this threat how many
00:16:05.340 people are involved in it and how do we make ourselves resilient we'll be right back 1.00
00:16:09.060 So you grew up inside Islam. What's the first thing you think about when you hear about these Sharia-based Islamic tribunals happening here on American soil, happening in Texas? How do you feel about that? 0.95
00:16:25.200 I feel very unsafe in a country that I fled for my freedom.
00:16:31.360 I came here for safety.
00:16:33.680 I came here as a woman.
00:16:35.160 I had more rights here, more freedom here.
00:16:39.100 After September 11, everything was shaken in my own world.
00:16:42.800 And after hearing, of course, learning all these hubs, we should say, probably, in Texas,
00:16:50.000 in other parts of America, it started shaking me in the core.
00:16:53.740 Of course, I became very passionate as a Christian American
00:16:57.520 who knows what is happening in America.
00:17:01.640 I became very passionate to expose this.
00:17:05.060 Did you face any persecution, or was there any difficulties for you
00:17:09.280 when you converted to Christianity?
00:17:11.840 Did your community give you any problems?
00:17:14.260 Did your family reject you?
00:17:15.880 What did you go through when you converted?
00:17:18.820 Yes, my family, the first two years, they rejected me.
00:17:22.260 however then they started seeing difference uh in me in my life in my communication with them
00:17:28.180 uh my father came to the faith uh after 10 years when i was a christian i i led him to christ and
00:17:35.300 then my mother almost 80 years old came to live in america with me with her burka with her hijab
00:17:43.940 three weeks into she started living with me she surrendered her life to jesus
00:17:48.820 During my live broadcast to Turkey in her own language.
00:17:52.160 Oh, man, that is so powerful.
00:17:54.160 That gives me goosebumps to hear that.
00:17:56.020 That's so awesome.
00:17:57.380 I mean, God bless you for what you're doing and for the message you're putting out there
00:18:01.400 and for having the courage to do these things.
00:18:04.820 My fear is that, you know, a lot of Americans don't have experience with this.
00:18:10.940 You know, a lot of the people that I talk to, they don't know anything about it.
00:18:15.080 You know, Muslims are in the Middle East, and that's what they know about.
00:18:18.520 You know, it's they haven't met any. They don't know. Maybe they've seen a mosque somewhere driving down the freeway, but they don't.
00:18:24.360 This isn't a personal issue for a lot of them. I think the Muslims here in America concentrate in certain enclaves and then they spread out from there.
00:18:32.840 And I think they've targeted Texas really hard. So I guess for a lot of the Americans, the normies out there, what is your message for them? 0.99
00:18:40.960 What should Americans know about Islam and the Muslims that are coming into our country?
00:18:46.060 They are not over there.
00:18:47.480 They are here. 1.00
00:18:48.800 And I am going to use an analogy from Europe right now is stage four cancer with Islam. 1.00
00:18:55.240 And they didn't think that it was coming.
00:18:57.040 I was in British Parliament talking to the lords and ladies of the British Parliament 10, 12 years ago, and they didn't believe me.
00:19:04.720 Sharia law courts existed in London at that time.
00:19:08.800 Now it's more spread. 0.92
00:19:10.820 Now America has stage one to stage two cancer.
00:19:14.360 We can take care of this. 1.00
00:19:16.400 We can really protect our borders and, you know, just ban sharia from all our states. 0.99
00:19:23.360 And we can just strengthen our constitution. 0.99
00:19:26.420 But it became a political game right now.
00:19:29.020 And that is the danger of it.
00:19:30.760 It is not about how Christians or conservatives need to be protected.
00:19:34.900 This is about all Americans. 0.99
00:19:36.460 This is all about, this is about Buddhists.
00:19:38.960 This is about atheists, about agnostics. 0.94
00:19:41.580 because when they put a gunpoint on the head of a woman to wear burqa 0.88
00:19:46.060 and she's an atheist, it doesn't matter to a Muslim.
00:19:49.800 You know, so this is, we are told, 0.78
00:19:52.500 America was never established on sameness but diversity. 1.00
00:19:56.980 But one religion cannot coexist with other faiths is Islam. 0.76
00:20:02.380 And that is the problem of understanding by Americans. 1.00
00:20:06.440 Yes, I would completely agree.
00:20:08.320 so now that i think we can i think we can both agree that the wolves are in the hen house at
00:20:15.900 this point so the question is what do we do about it what what are some concrete steps that we can
00:20:22.880 take to protect our country from this invasion yes uh every my this is my opinion every mask
00:20:31.760 needs to go under an investigation in the united states of america until then we need to freeze
00:20:37.360 all licenses and permits for masks to be built in America, because it's a threat and a danger
00:20:43.800 to American society. That's number one. Number two, all these communities, villages, Islamic
00:20:49.920 villages that Christians cannot enter, or Christians cannot, or other faiths of people 1.00
00:20:55.060 that they cannot live, they need to go under investigation. And again, Sharia law should be 1.00
00:21:00.620 banned from all our states, and our borders need to be protected. And we shouldn't look at this
00:21:06.980 as a left or a right issue.
00:21:09.600 We should look at this as my homeland security.
00:21:13.080 That is the name, homeland security.
00:21:15.860 We are protecting our home.
00:21:17.360 And every individual in America would appreciate that,
00:21:20.240 should appreciate that.
00:21:21.540 We are protecting our home. 1.00
00:21:23.760 Have you, you obviously have Islamic cities 0.85
00:21:26.940 like Epic City in Texas,
00:21:29.860 the East Plano Islamic Center,
00:21:32.200 where it's like 400 acres that was dedicated 0.97
00:21:34.320 to be, you know, exclusively for Muslims and they're importing, I mean, we can only assume 0.98
00:21:39.980 terrorists. I'm sure they're not doing it for the benefit of the American people.
00:21:44.640 What do we do about that? Because in the media, that is such a radioactive topic. You can't
00:21:51.240 talk about that without being a racist or an Islamophobe. How do you deal with getting rid 0.50
00:21:57.720 of these threats when they have this massive PR protection running interference and the
00:22:04.160 politicians won't touch it. It just seems like such a huge threat, and we're not allowed to talk
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00:22:43.360 to our security and safety is not being islamophobic or it is not being is spreading
00:22:49.760 fear.
00:22:50.760 Instead of fear, we are bringing clarity and understanding to the situation.
00:22:55.100 But if people are just pushing their agenda, this is fear-based talk, this is fear-based,
00:23:00.980 they are actually achieving what they want to achieve.
00:23:03.700 So this can become a taboo until we become Iran.
00:23:08.360 I mean, we need to ask those questions to ourselves.
00:23:11.660 Shouldn't we discuss, are we going to leave this country to fight for our children and
00:23:17.840 grandchildren against sharia law or are we going to do this right now what else do we need to see 0.99
00:23:23.860 what september 11 wasn't enough october 7 wasn't enough yeah how much more iranian people are on 0.84
00:23:31.660 the streets for god's sake and they don't want this evil regime how much more we need to see 0.75
00:23:37.820 to believe yeah i mean they're out there burning their burkas what else do you need god so i i
00:23:44.420 also want to point out, you know, that you are an immigrant to this country. You are a woman,
00:23:49.180 you were a Muslim. So this is not a white supremacist position. This is not a radical
00:23:54.580 right position. This is something that, that anybody who's been on the inside as such as
00:23:59.840 yourself would understand. What is, what is it like for Christians in Turkey today? I'm not
00:24:07.680 super familiar with that. Are they persecuted? Is there some freedom to practice Christianity
00:24:12.100 in Turkey. What's it like? There's more freedom than Iran to practice your religion in Turkey,
00:24:19.580 but you're under surveillance. I went to Turkey. I was followed. 10 years, I couldn't go to Turkey
00:24:26.360 because there was an arrest warrant for me. And then it was lifted. But still, I could go to my
00:24:31.620 country with fear and thinking that I could be jailed anytime. So Christian persecution is real 0.99
00:24:39.060 the Muslim countries. One of the highest countries is Nigeria. And then Iran is very, very high in 1.00
00:24:46.020 persecution of Christianity. People cannot just carry a Bible on the streets. I go to Muslim
00:24:52.420 countries as a solo female traveler, and I do street evangelism in Muslim countries. But I know 0.74
00:24:59.060 after all these years what I am doing. And I dress accordingly. I speak accordingly. But nobody else
00:25:06.100 You know, you have all these massacres, absolute bloodbaths in these countries around the world, and it gets no attention.
00:25:16.140 But the second someone criticizes a Muslim, you have the media blowing up.
00:25:22.440 In 2018, I think there were 4,500 Christians murdered by Muslims, and not a single Muslim was attacked or murdered by a Christian.
00:25:33.800 But the media doesn't cover any of this.
00:25:36.100 Why is that? Why do they get a free pass?
00:25:40.560 That is basically media jihad.
00:25:42.920 We talked about this earlier, and I tried to bring attention to media jihad. 0.98
00:25:48.400 Media jihad is people are bought, basically, by a Muslim brotherhood 0.99
00:25:54.900 and more high-power Muslims around the world. 0.88
00:25:58.560 And they are told not to talk, and Islam is a peaceful religion,
00:26:02.520 and spread all the lies, and the same thing that we saw in Israel with the Hamas situation,
00:26:08.640 it is only one-sided on the mainstream media, just like you stated.
00:26:14.120 This is media jihad.
00:26:16.140 So people will believe what they see, and when they see a lie, they hear a lie, they
00:26:21.360 started believing it. 0.91
00:26:22.760 Hitler operated in the same way. 0.91
00:26:24.920 You tell them lies consistently, repetitively, they believe. 0.97
00:26:30.040 And this is exactly what is happening right now about Islam. 0.97
00:26:33.320 Right, but I can understand that, but I find it hard to believe that they control all of the media, all of the mainstream media. 0.94
00:26:41.260 I mean, is that what you're saying, that Fox and CNN and, you know, NBC and all of them are controlled by the Muslims? 1.00
00:26:50.220 Certain degree, yes. Certain degree, definitely. 1.00
00:26:53.600 Not even, Muslims are also controlling the liberals. 0.99
00:26:56.960 liberals are also most of them are controlling our media and it is going hand by hand this is 0.96
00:27:03.580 this is bigger than and more multiple uh resources and partnerships than we can ever imagine it's not
00:27:11.100 one way it's not only muslims but there are so many partnerships and just coming together 0.54
00:27:17.840 for a mission against the truth is the main concern right now that i have
00:27:23.240 so with these with these attacks that we had last week and i'm sure we're going to have more
00:27:30.540 over easter what was your response did you see king george and what he said
00:27:35.880 no i didn't okay so he he refused to do an easter announcement this year but
00:27:46.640 despite all these killings but he did make time to acknowledge and praise ramadan
00:27:52.460 yes how does that work what is your response to that as as a christian and a former muslim
00:27:58.960 how do you how do you interpret that from one of the world leaders one of the oldest families
00:28:05.020 in the world who comes from a long line of devout christians what is happening i think some of these
00:28:12.820 things are happening because of some threats uh some of these things are happening that we don't
00:28:18.380 know behind the scenes there are some fear-based conversations going on.
00:28:24.380 There are so many multiple layers of these situations.
00:28:28.100 And I do believe they are also, of course, in Europe under an influence of this lullaby 0.54
00:28:33.660 that Islam is a religion of peace.
00:28:36.160 And they are trying to shake hands with the devil, and it's never going to work.
00:28:41.060 But there are different agendas, and there are different situations and circumstances
00:28:46.840 that governments basically are bowing down to this ideology.
00:28:52.620 It seems to me that, I mean, yes, we have, and for decades we've had mass migration,
00:28:58.980 and we've naturally accumulated lots of Muslims into our country through that process, 0.99
00:29:04.540 but this wouldn't be possible without being facilitated by people higher on the food chain,
00:29:11.120 that there must be people behind the scenes, people like King George,
00:29:15.860 people like george soros europeans who are making this happen who are bringing these people into our
00:29:23.860 countries on purpose why are they doing that what is the reason behind that uh well one of them is
00:29:33.320 of course uh economical reasons money uh the other reasons are they their belief system is just uh
00:29:41.320 in compromise. And they are, again, they are just in their decision making, there are major
00:29:49.160 compromises we are seeing in these high power people or the governments in Europe. And for them,
00:29:55.480 they are not taking this warning seriously. They are friends because of the oil exchanges or the
00:30:01.200 stock exchanges or other economical reasons. There are so many other partnerships going on
00:30:08.020 that are not reflecting on the mainstream media
00:30:11.400 or we are not educated.
00:30:13.140 I have seen some of them are happening in front of my eyes.
00:30:16.040 I work in high level corporate businesses
00:30:19.840 and I have seen what is going on behind the scenes.
00:30:22.960 But people only are going to see what is shown to them,
00:30:26.840 just like you are doing to expose it,
00:30:29.540 what we are showing them
00:30:31.180 and what mainstream media is showing them.
00:30:34.300 And then they are going to believe what they want to believe.
00:30:36.640 And sometimes believing what you want to believe is just a comfort thing versus the confrontation.
00:30:44.060 I want to make a correction. I said King George, I meant King Charles.
00:30:48.320 But so you think for these people who are pulling these strings, you think all of that, these economic benefits is worth this cultural, this civilizational suicide?
00:30:59.280 You think they view that as a benefit?
00:31:02.920 They do view it as a benefit.
00:31:05.380 Money has a big saying and big talk about these things, decisions.
00:31:11.180 They may not see the value of it.
00:31:13.140 Freedom is priceless.
00:31:14.740 And we are seeing one nation is fighting for her freedom right now.
00:31:19.020 And this is not political.
00:31:20.440 It is not economical.
00:31:22.080 It is about people's freedom, their rights we are seeing in Iran right now.
00:31:26.580 But people who are in high positions in Europe, in other countries, they are not seeing this,
00:31:32.720 including America. 0.99
00:31:33.760 They are not seeing the threat of Islam. 0.57
00:31:37.480 So we've seen what's happened to Christians in Syria, in Nigeria, in Congo.
00:31:44.040 Are Christians in America in danger right now, do you think?
00:31:48.920 Absolutely. Not only Christians in America are in danger.
00:31:52.720 All Americans are in danger. 1.00
00:31:54.780 There's a potential danger in America because of radical Islam. 1.00
00:31:59.740 And we are going to be, if we don't do anything about this, 1.00
00:32:02.680 Christians are going to be treated in America as second-class citizens, and it is coming.
00:32:11.720 Why isn't the world outraged about this?
00:32:14.880 I mean, it just, it seems like, I know you have the media jihad, but it seems like we could organize better,
00:32:25.080 and that people who are aware of this should be making more noise, but we just aren't, and I don't understand that, and it seems like such a shame.
00:32:32.680 that we're allowing this to happen to ourselves? 0.65
00:32:37.040 I do believe the problem in America is not even Islamic Ignatian. 0.99
00:32:42.860 It is the ignorance of Americans. 0.99
00:32:45.800 If you don't have ignorance and you have the understanding, 0.98
00:32:50.140 then it is going to cost you your comfort zone to fight against something.
00:32:54.660 Confront it.
00:32:55.980 And even politicians today are not doing that.
00:32:59.060 And a lot of people are not doing that.
00:33:01.740 Why?
00:33:02.040 because confronting something is going to cost you right it does i i received a lot of threats
00:33:08.580 with what i do in my own world in my own global ministry in the muslim world i receive right now
00:33:15.360 in america more threat from americans yeah yeah i mean just it will tell you uh how delusional
00:33:24.260 right now our our culture is people are we are divided yeah and they've bought into it they
00:33:30.980 believe the propaganda. We talked about this earlier a little bit, that not all Muslims are
00:33:42.180 a threat, but it's my belief that any Muslims pose a danger, whether they are themselves a 1.00
00:33:50.440 threat or not, just the potential for the ideology. What is your opinion on what's an 1.00
00:33:57.720 acceptable level? When, when does the tipping point happen? Because as we've seen in the UK
00:34:03.340 and in other countries, when they achieve a majority, that's it. They go after the country
00:34:08.440 and it becomes, you know, Sharia law de facto. What's an acceptable level of, of Muslims in a 1.00
00:34:15.460 country of how far can Islam go? And I mean, it may not be fair. There's, there's no fair rule 1.00
00:34:25.120 in in the world it's not possible but should we allow muslims in our country period 1.00
00:34:29.680 well i'm glad that i was allowed in america look what happened with me right and mother came three 1.00
00:34:37.120 years ago to america with her burqa she gave her life to jesus and she's on fire for jesus right
00:34:44.140 now uh certain degree of course we they need to be allowed but i think our immigration law is weak
00:34:52.180 We are not speaking people well.
00:34:55.000 And I do not understand, as of now, I am an American citizen for a long time.
00:34:59.380 I don't understand how people can burn American flags.
00:35:02.580 Right.
00:35:03.440 They can still be given green cards.
00:35:05.620 Right.
00:35:05.900 I don't understand.
00:35:07.060 You shouldn't be living in a country that you hate.
00:35:09.800 You shouldn't be being in a country that, and these are documented.
00:35:13.660 Their names are out there.
00:35:15.660 Their pictures, videos are out there.
00:35:17.840 And shamelessly, in front of White House, they are saying, one day we are going to make this house a Muslim house. 0.96
00:35:25.840 Sheree is going to come into every house in America.
00:35:29.400 They say this, and they say it is not bullets, it is ballots.
00:35:33.560 And they are coming into this level of courage, unashamed courage, in the midst of us.
00:35:40.780 I think we need to do something about that one.
00:35:43.280 Yeah. Yeah, I would agree.
00:35:45.080 there are roughly i think like 56 muslim countries in the world why don't we see any muslims
00:35:54.740 muslim refugees going to those muslim countries why when there's a war or a disaster or when they
00:36:03.000 migrate from one of these countries why do they always come to europe or to america or to canada 0.91
00:36:08.880 or australia new zealand why don't they ever go to a muslim majority country because when you do 0.97
00:36:14.360 these man-on-the-street interviews and you talk to these people, they say, oh no, I'd prefer to
00:36:18.140 live in a Muslim country. Well, why don't you? Well, Muslim countries, surprisingly, they can 0.83
00:36:26.480 be more racist to their own people, their own kind of Muslims, just because they are coming from a 1.00
00:36:32.100 different race. I have seen it in Jordan. I have seen they were racist towards Egyptians. I mean, 1.00
00:36:38.460 this goes on and on. That's one of the reasons. And two, they don't have the sources and
00:36:44.340 resources to occupy them. 1.00
00:36:46.500 In other words, there are some refugees.
00:36:48.900 Like right now, Iranian refugees are flooding to Turkey, and we are, as a ministry, we are
00:36:54.660 reaching out to those with trauma, healing, and other things.
00:36:58.020 But the other reason is our immigration laws are weak. 1.00
00:37:02.940 That is why they can't come. 1.00
00:37:05.660 We are very naive the way that we allow people in to our nation, and that is the reason. 0.96
00:37:12.420 it happen in europe it's happening in america right now and this is not a today's issue this 0.92
00:37:18.060 is the case of issue and governments allowing this to happen this has been an agenda it is not a new 0.98
00:37:25.200 thing do you think we we stand a chance at this point do you think that islam is going to continue 1.00
00:37:31.900 on this path because i don't see anybody taking a stand against this you know in the government 1.00
00:37:35.880 do you think we have a chance of pushing back on this and taking back our country our civilization
00:37:40.720 I do believe it. I do believe America has a chance, and I do believe America has more people who love this nation than people that they hate this nation inside.
00:37:52.240 I do believe there are people I meet every single day, people like me, that we don't take America for granted, and we will do anything to protect this nation.
00:38:01.780 Because I found freedom in the United States of America, and I'm not willing to give up on this freedom easily.
00:38:10.720 And there are people like me.
00:38:12.600 You need to run for Congress.
00:38:14.340 Yeah, I'd vote for you.
00:38:16.180 You know, we need people like you in charge
00:38:19.320 because the people running it right now
00:38:20.960 have no idea what they're up against.
00:38:23.980 Yes, all I can do is to,
00:38:25.660 as much as I can, share my experience.
00:38:29.100 And when they hear it,
00:38:30.900 it is coming from the horse's mouth,
00:38:32.840 they start believing it. 0.99
00:38:34.380 And I think there are other former Muslims,
00:38:37.400 there are other people in America
00:38:38.800 love this nation.
00:38:39.900 They need to stand with me. They need to stand with you.
00:38:43.340 What you are doing is very remarkable.
00:38:46.780 Do you think it would be possible for there to be some sort of vetting 1.00
00:38:51.760 if we're going to allow Muslims into the country, 0.99
00:38:54.280 such that you must pledge allegiance to America 0.98
00:38:57.920 and you must follow these guidelines?
00:39:01.060 Do you think that that would actually work? 1.00
00:39:03.900 Well, let me tell you, Muslims are lying machines. 1.00
00:39:07.300 They can lie under any circumstances. 1.00
00:39:10.580 It is going to be very difficult if there is a wedding.
00:39:13.820 But I think there can be a certain level of investigation for every Muslim immigrant.
00:39:21.920 And I believe that we can tighten this up and we can make a difference in our immigration law.
00:39:28.760 It is not racism.
00:39:30.060 This is not prejudicial.
00:39:31.420 It is not stereotyping.
00:39:32.880 It is protecting our freedom and our safety.
00:39:37.300 You actually just mentioned something that I'd like to ask you about.
00:39:41.320 I've heard that there is a practice among Muslims, and I don't know the name.
00:39:45.740 Maybe you can tell me.
00:39:47.160 What is it? 0.75
00:39:49.580 Taqiyah law that you can lie. 0.57
00:39:51.620 Yes. 0.99
00:39:53.220 Yes.
00:39:53.760 Can you tell me about that? 1.00
00:39:55.680 Well, Taqiyah teaches Muslims that you can lie, you can cheat, you can steal for a greater purpose. 1.00
00:40:02.580 If you do it in the name of Allah, for the sake of Allah, for the spread of Islam, you are not sinning. 1.00
00:40:09.500 As a matter of fact, you are doing a good deed, and you are allowed to do that. 0.97
00:40:13.100 So it's encouraged to lie to Christians, to anybody else. 1.00
00:40:17.100 Yes. So anybody who is non-Muslim, you can lie and cheat. 1.00
00:40:20.900 You can even swear. You can even take Quran and swear in the name of Allah. 1.00
00:40:26.580 And you can lie.
00:40:27.620 what is your feeling about uh mamdani what do you feel about that guy i had a feeling this was
00:40:36.340 coming uh well um of course i love muslims i have muslim friends and i have muslim uh great muslim
00:40:44.680 friends that they don't believe in jihad uh but mamdani gave few very concerning speeches
00:40:50.660 in the Times Square in different settings.
00:40:54.660 And he said that Muslims in America were following Mohammed's example, who left Mecca and went
00:41:02.200 to Medina.
00:41:03.620 And he said they were, including himself, were like him. 0.97
00:41:07.480 Mohammed left Mecca, went to Medina for one reason, spread Islam under tyranny and killing 0.99
00:41:16.780 of infidels. 0.92
00:41:18.640 And for him, giving that kind of a speech is, for me, very coded and very concerning, 1.00
00:41:26.260 because he identified himself with Muhammad.
00:41:29.460 And he made a call to Muslims to be like Muhammad. 0.53
00:41:34.400 And they were all saying Allahu Akbar, and this is a workshop.
00:41:38.660 And when these are happening, Americans don't understand.
00:41:41.700 But someone like me who grew up in the mosque, who saw these things happen, who saw after
00:41:47.300 9-11, Muslims in
00:41:49.480 the mosques, they were rejoicing and 1.00
00:41:51.320 celebrating what happened to America. 0.99
00:41:54.640 Understand.
00:41:55.920 And I see in his
00:41:57.500 speeches, he's giving
00:41:58.900 coded, coded secret
00:42:01.600 passwords to his 0.87
00:42:03.460 group of people, radical Muslims. 0.95
00:42:06.160 And I don't like that. 1.00
00:42:07.300 And I think it's very dangerous for our nation.
00:42:09.600 Oh yeah, absolutely. So do you
00:42:11.540 think, I mean
00:42:13.500 you think he wants to turn New York City 0.98
00:42:15.340 into a Muslim enclave. 1.00
00:42:17.380 Oh, absolutely. 0.98
00:42:18.320 In a heartbeat.
00:42:19.660 And it is happening right now.
00:42:21.800 Again, this is a political jihad.
00:42:24.060 Do you think he's going to succeed?
00:42:25.880 If not him, someone else?
00:42:28.420 Well, if we don't do something about this,
00:42:31.140 if these type of speeches,
00:42:33.880 they don't go under investigation,
00:42:35.940 yes, he's going to succeed.
00:42:37.840 We need to do something about these things.
00:42:40.620 He needs to be questioned
00:42:41.780 about his speeches and his actions.
00:42:46.300 Do you think we're going to see more mayors like him popping up?
00:42:49.500 And we had that guy Omar Fattah in Minnesota just run.
00:42:53.760 Did you see him?
00:42:55.680 Yes, yes, I have seen him.
00:42:58.020 That is their agenda.
00:42:59.740 This is what they are pushing.
00:43:01.080 And it is not happening in this government.
00:43:03.340 This has been happening since Obama,
00:43:05.720 especially it became very, very prominent during that time. 0.97
00:43:09.400 Muslim Brotherhood got very, very powerful during that time.
00:43:12.580 And I can tell you, this has been decades of agendas of Muslim Brotherhood and radical Islam. 0.99
00:43:19.380 And it's happening. It's happening. 0.99
00:43:21.500 They are trying to come into Congress.
00:43:24.160 They are coming in, not trying.
00:43:25.780 They are.
00:43:26.900 They are in U.S. Senate.
00:43:28.860 They are in high positions.
00:43:30.520 And we are sleeping.
00:43:33.460 So we keep hearing this whole conflict being framed as religious tension.
00:43:40.200 That's what they like to call it, religious tension, because it sounds very generic.
00:43:44.100 It doesn't tell you what it is.
00:43:45.280 But when Christians are being murdered for their faith, especially converts from Islam, 0.76
00:43:52.120 I feel like the reality is simpler in that in many of these regions that Islam does not tolerate people leaving it or openly practicing Christianity. 0.92
00:44:04.080 Absolutely.
00:44:04.860 When I became a Christian, I was in Miami.
00:44:07.300 I gave my life to Jesus. 0.99
00:44:08.520 my Muslim friends in the supermarkets 1.00
00:44:11.640 they came and spit on my face
00:44:13.280 and I was
00:44:15.460 getting more threats than
00:44:17.380 I ever experienced in 0.91
00:44:19.380 Turkey under Islam 1.00
00:44:21.220 and it was happening in America 0.94
00:44:23.540 and it was happening
00:44:25.340 26 years ago, in year 2000
00:44:27.780 I gave my life to Jesus
00:44:28.920 and it is happening right now
00:44:30.980 we are being persecuted
00:44:33.720 as Christians in America right now
00:44:35.740 it is not to a degree
00:44:37.380 in a Muslim country. 0.99
00:44:38.660 It's not in the same degree
00:44:40.160 in North Korea,
00:44:41.320 but we are being persecuted right now.
00:44:43.640 Yeah.
00:44:44.980 One last question I want to ask you. 0.98
00:44:47.080 How do you witness to Muslims? 1.00
00:44:50.360 How do you talk to them
00:44:52.680 and tell them about your experience?
00:44:55.980 Thank you for asking me this.
00:44:58.020 I don't believe Jesus' example
00:45:00.720 is the best example.
00:45:02.540 He was very individual.
00:45:04.560 He wasn't just quoting John 3, 16.
00:45:07.380 and just quoting scriptures to people he conversed with people he talked with people
00:45:12.780 this is what i do i go to muslim countries i lead muslims to christ
00:45:17.140 one by one and on social media and tv but what i do 101 i am interested in their story
00:45:24.400 i ask them questions i ask them do you consider yourself a good muslim
00:45:28.620 is there anything you could ask god any miracle that i can pray for you and i can i am interested
00:45:35.720 in them if we are not interested in their story in their pain why should they be interested in
00:45:41.380 our message and of course the love of christ always wins yeah we are we are alert about that
00:45:48.960 we should be and we should be vigilant we should be discerning but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't
00:45:54.580 be loving do you have a lot of success speaking with them absolutely absolutely close close to
00:46:02.120 90%.
00:46:03.200 Wow.
00:46:04.560 Literally, I engage with Muslims.
00:46:06.880 I lead them to Christ.
00:46:08.080 That's incredible.
00:46:09.900 And I want to say this, of course.
00:46:14.300 Salvation is a supernatural experience.
00:46:17.520 And I don't do this.
00:46:19.300 Jesus does it.
00:46:20.280 Yes.
00:46:20.540 But he taught me how to do it his way, not my way.
00:46:26.980 Well, God bless you for your work and what you're doing.
00:46:31.300 that's absolutely incredible and just inspirational.
00:46:34.200 And I want to end on something positive.
00:46:36.780 I hope that you touched on is that God's love always wins.
00:46:41.920 And we know for a fact as Christians
00:46:45.560 that we win in the end, God wins, God will always win.
00:46:50.980 And it may be a hard road to get there,
00:46:53.380 but I feel like that's something
00:46:54.900 that we can all take comfort in,
00:46:57.360 that we will win in the end.
00:46:59.280 So thank you, doctor, for coming on.
00:47:00.800 I really appreciate your time.
00:47:02.540 Can you tell us quickly where people can go
00:47:04.640 to find out more about what you're doing
00:47:06.060 and maybe support what you're doing?
00:47:08.180 Thank you.
00:47:08.740 They can go to our website
00:47:09.880 and they can find me on all our social media platforms,
00:47:13.520 including Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
00:47:16.300 And it is isikabla.com, I-S-I-K-A-B-L-A.com.
00:47:21.700 Thank you so much for having me.
00:47:23.260 Awesome. Thank you so much, Isik.
00:47:24.700 I really appreciate it.
00:47:26.420 You too.
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