The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 127 - CHINA, RINOs, & AOC w⧸ Pearson Sharp

00:00:00.000 Now, it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Pearson Sharp.

00:00:16.460 Welcome back to another episode of the Anchorman Podcast.

00:00:20.120 I'm Matt Gaetz, host of the Matt Gaetz Show.

00:00:21.660 You can check us out every weeknight, 9 o'clock Eastern, 6 Pacific, on One America News.

00:00:26.700 And I am coming to you from the sunshine state, Florida, my home, the very best state in the union, the state where you can carry guns openly and shoot them at people if they intend to do a forcible felony against you or one of your loved ones around you.

00:00:41.980 And someone I think should come to Florida way more frequently is my good friend and co-host of this program, Pearson Sharp.

00:00:48.580 Pearson, I was going around Florida today, feeling the freedom, feeling the love.

00:00:54.300 And I'm like, man, Pearson would make such a good Florida man.

00:00:57.320 We've got the stand your ground law.

00:00:59.380 Like we've got public schools that you could send your kids to. 0.64

00:01:03.220 And the teacher is not going to try to change their gender. 0.98

00:01:07.100 We don't even have a vaccine requirement in our public schools.

00:01:11.100 So my opening question to you is, how have you not moved here yet?

00:01:14.420 That's a great question.

00:01:15.160 The real question is, how has OAN not moved there yet?

00:01:18.580 As soon as OAN moves, I'm moving.

00:01:20.520 You've got freedoms down there we can only dream of.

00:01:23.400 So we've got to pull on Mr. Herring's ear and see if we can get him to go down there.

00:01:28.200 Well, you know, when you and I are sitting in the office in California and I am pining away for the sunny beaches of Florida and a salt-rimmed margarita, you are pining away for the frozen fields of Ohio.

00:01:43.440 You talk about the great joys of bringing your family back to the Buckeye State.

00:01:48.720 And I like walk me through the appeal.

00:01:52.200 I mean, I am I am making the case here for for Florida.

00:01:56.220 Give me like give me like the Chamber of Commerce pitch for Ohio as an alternate destination.

00:02:02.720 Well, opening the the motto of my hometown is literally hometown USA.

00:02:09.140 That's that's what our town is called.

00:02:11.020 And that fits it to a T.

00:02:12.880 I mean, brick-lined streets, buildings from the 1800s.

00:02:16.240 It's just like Americana top to bottom.

00:02:19.060 Buntings on every window, flags in every storefront, kids running around playing.

00:02:23.340 It's like every American dream from the 1950s.

00:02:26.940 And sure, we have winters, but Florida has summers.

00:02:29.840 So, I mean, it's a tradeoff.

00:02:31.640 And I like the snow.

00:02:33.260 I like, you know, building snow forts and playing with my girls out there.

00:02:35.980 That'd be amazing.

00:02:37.040 The fall, the spring, it's just, it's picture perfect.

00:02:40.360 It's out of a Thomas Kinkade painting. 0.86

00:02:42.880 now i i don't know that i could get my own wife there because she loses some of her powers if 1.00

00:02:50.320 she gets too far away from the salt air and the ocean like uh does the sharp family need beach 1.00

00:02:56.140 time do you need to see some waves or uh is uh is a little bit of time on the uh on the snowmobile

00:03:02.440 enough a snowmobile would be plenty to be honest well one i've never been to florida which i know

00:03:08.100 is a tragedy. I'd love to go and check it out. But also we live about 30 minutes from the beach

00:03:17.020 in my house here in California. But we go maybe once a year, twice a year, because I am just so

00:03:25.240 averse to crowds and people and parking and the hassle and the headache of going down there and

00:03:31.960 just having all those people running around and the noise and the chaos. It's just not worth it

00:03:37.100 to me you know if there was a nice quiet place with nobody else i'd be happy but it's just such

00:03:42.020 a hassle to get down there if we lived right on the beach you know when parking wasn't an issue

00:03:46.140 sure we just walked down to the cove but yeah it's it's such a pain in the butt in california

00:03:51.300 these days so it's not the beach it's the beach correct there's like the beach which is floating

00:03:56.560 around in the water you know enjoying the hollowed out coconut that's wonderful but it's the full

00:04:01.500 beaching it is it is like the Clyde W. Griswold uh pachyderming of the family down to the water

00:04:08.160 you know that may ultimately be the difference we also have the the freaking sewage problem now

00:04:13.400 in San Diego and you got to check the water alerts to see if you can even get in the water 1.00

00:04:17.060 so it's you know foreigners illegals that's not a thing in Florida yeah well that's I mean that's 1.00

00:04:24.540 another point in Florida we don't do that we've got you know 10 million we're gonna get you down

00:04:29.380 here, Pearson. Hey, you know, I'm ready. We'll get you down here. And we're ready for it to be

00:04:35.140 as significant as the other big trip that I want to talk about. The big trip making the news this

00:04:40.180 week, President Trump's trip to China, a lot on the agenda, the Iran war, trade, prices, fentanyl.

00:04:49.060 As you are looking at this and an observer of international affairs,

00:04:53.700 Like, what are you rooting for out of the China trip? 0.53

00:04:59.300 We need to take back a lot of what has been lost to China over the last couple of decades. 0.93

00:05:07.060 We've had so much offshoring of things that should be here in America. 0.54

00:05:11.700 Our medicine, our manufacturing base has just been completely hollowed out thanks to Clinton and Obama and Biden.

00:05:19.000 we have to take back that ability to do these things for ourselves. And I think Trump understands

00:05:26.740 that. And I think he's going to try and work with Xi on that. China is one of the most horrific

00:05:33.820 regimes imaginable. I lived there for a year and I was horrified by the state of living in that 1.00

00:05:42.280 country and just how totalitarian and brutal and nihilistic and evil all of it was. And so

00:05:49.460 anything that we can do to stop them and to make America stronger again is something we should be 0.99

00:05:56.480 focusing on far more than Iran or anybody else, in my opinion. I fully agree with that. And I want 1.00

00:06:03.580 to get into some of those policy questions that we have to address and what it means for our country

00:06:08.960 and theirs and competition and all of that. But first, the optics of it. President Trump

00:06:16.100 goes to China and in the major state run newspaper, they almost demure it. They don't make a big

00:06:23.620 deal of it. Just a tiny mentioned blurb. And they made a huge deal out of like the president

00:06:28.860 of Turkmenistan coming there, a country that a lot of Americans probably have a hard time

00:06:33.520 pointing to on a map. And so do you think that in Chinese culture, there's a certain, you know,

00:06:40.400 Trump came here to us, we're the big deal, a certain aggrandizing around all of this

00:06:46.760 that is significant to Xi's hold of power in his own country?

00:06:51.080 All interactions come down to the concept of face and saving face. That's huge over there for them.

00:06:58.180 And so I think they're probably, it's probably twofold, uh, because they have a stranglehold

00:07:03.840 on the media and the, the information that flows in and out to their own people.

00:07:09.560 And so I think they probably, one, want to make it look like, yes, America is coming

00:07:13.280 to them and that, you know, it's not even that big a deal.

00:07:16.580 Like she's got so many other things to deal with.

00:07:18.540 He was talking to Turkmenistan the other day.

00:07:21.340 Um, the other thing I think they're probably trying to do and maybe get ahead of is, is

00:07:27.280 in case anything goes wrong,

00:07:29.620 in case Trump says something

00:07:31.120 that makes Xi look bad,

00:07:34.460 in case he does what he did

00:07:35.460 to the president of South Africa.

00:07:37.340 They don't want that going around

00:07:39.100 to everybody in China

00:07:40.100 and seeing Trump talking down to them

00:07:41.720 or making any good points

00:07:43.140 about what's actually happening

00:07:44.640 in their country.

00:07:45.860 So they're probably going to make

00:07:47.600 a bigger deal of this afterwards

00:07:49.480 and play the highlights

00:07:51.380 and make Xi look great

00:07:52.620 when he's talking to Trump.

00:07:53.720 But they probably want to add

00:07:55.640 that five-second delay

00:07:56.880 between the airing so that they can cut anything out that they don't like.

00:08:00.640 Wow. 0.97

00:08:00.900 That sounds very Chinese to me.

00:08:03.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:08:04.200 So, Pearson, I get that.

00:08:06.480 And when President Trump goes on a lot of these foreign trips, right,

00:08:11.580 what he wants to be able to announce is something positive out of it.

00:08:15.560 So I don't know that we're going to see President Trump try to land zingers on Xi

00:08:19.820 as much as he's going to try to land deals.

00:08:21.960 And that's really what I want to get into in the meat of this discussion

00:08:24.640 because Trump has obtained major investment commitments from the Gulf, from Far East Asia.

00:08:32.420 And there's a lot of talk around a potential trillion dollar commitment by China into U.S.

00:08:39.660 manufacturing, U.S. investment. And I got to say, I'm a little squeamish about that.

00:08:44.860 Like they they aren't the Saudis. They aren't the Japanese. They aren't the South Koreans. 1.00

00:08:50.000 They're the Chinese, and so much of what they have is dual-use technology.

00:08:55.580 And so what might look like a Chinese investment in a port might be scanning all of the material coming in and out.

00:09:02.620 What may look like a Chinese investment in a manufacturing facility may be utilizing a sequence of drones that is mapping out key infrastructure that's going back to the United States.

00:09:14.580 And what looks like Chinese communications technology might actually be storing faces, biometrics, all the genetic data of Americans. 0.90

00:09:26.420 And so I'm really weary of a trillion dollar Chinese investment into the United States since you've lived in the Middle Kingdom.

00:09:33.800 I'm eager to get your thoughts. Yeah, absolutely. 0.95

00:09:36.840 I may not have I'm not an economist. 1.00

00:09:40.280 um i'm and my position is more isolationist so my strategy for dealing with china would be to cut 1.00

00:09:48.220 them off because as i see them they're a parasite and they are using us to enrich themselves in all 0.99

00:09:55.020 the cases that you mentioned everything they have they've stolen from the west at this point all 0.97

00:09:59.760 their technology everything they use is is strategically stolen from us and repurposed

00:10:04.920 for themselves and we need to cut that off we need to cut them out of our universities we need

00:10:10.120 cut the deals with them. It's going to be painful. And there's probably a good way to do that to

00:10:15.620 minimize the pain. But the longer we feed them, the worse this is going to get. And we make deals

00:10:20.580 with them. I don't know. It's making a deal with the devil, in my opinion. So we have to be very

00:10:26.360 careful of what we're doing. It would be great if we could leverage that to our own advantage. But

00:10:31.200 I don't see how. Trump's a smart guy. He's great at making deals. I just have to hope that he has

00:10:36.320 the presence of mind to do what's best for us. Yeah. And I look at this and I say, okay, well,

00:10:42.800 obviously you wouldn't want their investment in critical infrastructure. You wouldn't want

00:10:46.600 their investment in defense. You wouldn't want their, right. Any of that stuff. But then I start

00:10:51.400 to think to myself, is there any area where you would say, okay, I wouldn't mind Chinese investment

00:10:56.460 here. Like biotech. No, I really don't want Chinese investment in biotech. No, uh, in, in

00:11:03.840 And even tourism assets, if China bought the dilapidated hotel down the street and fixed it up and put a Chinese flag out front and brought in a bunch of Chinese tourists, it would seem innocuous, but is that really what we want?

00:11:18.700 And so if we scratch our head and look at all the key industries, do you want them owning farmland? 0.85

00:11:23.740 Do you want them processing meat?

00:11:25.760 Do you want them having control over the lumber supply or plastics or chemicals?

00:11:30.660 It is hard for me to identify any major sector of the American economy. 1.00

00:11:35.560 I don't even think these Chinese should be owning sports teams. 1.00

00:11:38.480 And I'm talking about the guy who owns the Brooklyn Nets is like the CEO of Alibaba. 1.00

00:11:43.640 I don't think that should happen.

00:11:45.540 I think that whether it is culture or music or art or roadways or revenue streams, 0.99

00:11:53.440 there's no reason to be drawing that Chinese investment.

00:11:56.340 Now, if you're one of the people that gets a job at a Chinese manufacturing facility, or if you see the asset class that you're invested in rise, maybe people would have a different perspective on that.

00:12:08.680 But I think the medium and long-term consequences are dire.

00:12:12.000 And there's a political flavor to this too, Pearson.

00:12:14.880 As President Trump is working to reinvigorate his coalition that was so successful in 2024, do you really think a lot of the young men in this country that showed up for President Trump want to hear an announcement of China buying their minor league baseball team?

00:12:31.780 Right. The difference between the United States and China at this point is that the United States

00:12:38.520 is looking at this as an economical opportunity, as something that we could work together on and

00:12:44.260 mutually benefit both countries. China is looking at this like a predator. This is something that

00:12:49.900 they are going to use against us, no matter what it is. Everything that they do damages

00:12:55.000 the United States. And this is a country where for the last decade, two decades more,

00:13:03.640 they have been systematically, intentionally weaponizing our southern border against us 0.53

00:13:09.060 and flooding our country with lethal drugs, with spies, with military aged men. This is a country 0.88

00:13:16.400 that hates us and views us as an adversary to be destroyed. So to think about cooperating with them

00:13:23.160 is very dangerous, in my opinion.

00:13:25.420 We need to see them as the enemy they are.

00:13:29.640 Usually you are the cynical one in these discussions,

00:13:32.700 but let me present a very cynical take for you.

00:13:36.100 Trump will go there and he will, I think, rightly and justly

00:13:39.760 try to get China to put pressure on Iran

00:13:43.260 to open the Straits of Hormuz

00:13:44.680 for the benefit of the global economy

00:13:46.340 in which China is a very significant participant.

00:13:49.540 But here's my belief.

00:13:51.160 I actually think China wants the United States bogged down in Iran.

00:13:55.180 I think they would love to see some Iranian tactical successes.

00:13:58.660 I think they would love to see the United States deploy 10,000 troops to go find every inch or ounce or whatever of uranium in the Persian mountains.

00:14:08.180 They would love to see us continue to spend tens of billions of dollars.

00:14:11.740 We just heard this week from the comptroller of the Pentagon nearly $30 billion already spent by the Department of War in Iran. 0.86

00:14:20.480 They would love to see us pour blood and treasure into a long extended engagement with Iran.

00:14:27.420 And I actually think they would be willing to suffer some short term shock to their energy market. 0.97

00:14:34.900 I think they would be willing to pay a slightly higher price from energy that they get from elsewhere.

00:14:39.620 But I don't think that President Trump will find a sincere or genuine or willing partner to wind down hostilities in Iran because I think China views their relationship with the United States as so zero sum that even if something is bad for them, if it looks worse for us, they're willing to endure those conditions.

00:15:00.600 Does that make me the cynic in this discussion, Pearson, or are you there with me?

00:15:06.480 No, I don't see where there's any daylight between our opinions on this.

00:15:12.660 They have actively encouraged anything that can weaken the United States. 0.96

00:15:17.940 So the war in Iran is to their benefit, even if, like you said, it's a temporary setback. 0.90

00:15:23.660 China plays the long game and they have total control over the populace and the information flow. 0.91

00:15:29.160 So they can kind of dictate whatever reality they want to. 0.93

00:15:33.380 And they were also encouraging heavily.

00:15:35.500 I'm sure they were heavily behind the war in Ukraine with Russia, you know, influencing politicians and encouraging that conflict.

00:15:42.700 Anything to destabilize the United States. 0.88

00:15:45.440 And the scary thing is, you know, we need to be prepared for the eventual head-on conflict with China.

00:15:54.640 Because we think what's happening with the Strait of Hormuz is bad. 0.65

00:15:59.000 But what happens when China gets upset and they close off the South China Sea?

00:16:02.560 When they close off the Strait of Tawang, you know?

00:16:05.500 That's going to make the Strait of Hormuz look like nothing a day in the park. 0.96

00:16:09.080 And China has that ability right now. 0.97

00:16:11.240 So we need to be prepared for that. 0.92

00:16:14.100 And I don't know.

00:16:15.180 I don't know.

00:16:15.780 Trump, like I said, Trump's a smart guy and I don't play 4D chess.

00:16:18.840 I can't see these, you know, five steps ahead.

00:16:20.920 I just see what's happening right now.

00:16:22.420 And it does not look good from where I'm sitting.

00:16:24.620 well i think what china needs uh out of out of this summit is uh you know some continued access

00:16:34.140 to u.s markets i think they worry about that with trump of being i think driving such an effective

00:16:40.500 and hard bargain against them in his first term and then and then again at the beginning of this

00:16:45.180 term and i think what the united states needs is lower prices and i think china could be a willing

00:16:51.280 partner in that, but for the reasons we discussed, perhaps unlikely.

00:16:55.180 Speaking of unwilling partners, Pearson, I want to come closer to home.

00:17:00.180 This story out of South Carolina, you and I have been talking about the redistricting

00:17:04.060 battles going on all over the country.

00:17:06.940 What has ignited the push for this, of course, the major Supreme Court decision on section

00:17:11.300 two of the Voting Rights Act saying that states do not need to proceed with racist and unconstitutional

00:17:17.460 districts, explicitly drawn to exclude white candidates. And you came on this platform and

00:17:24.180 you said, do not hold back, open up every state where we can open up the throttle and 1.00

00:17:30.860 go full force, eliminate, eliminate Clyburn's district, eliminate specifically black drawn 0.74

00:17:37.140 districts in Florida, in Tennessee, some places we've seen this, some places we can. And in 0.96

00:17:42.320 South Carolina, you're following the story closely about some of the state senators who are now

00:17:48.340 Republican state senators who are standing in the way of the South Carolina House's plan to get rid

00:17:54.200 of the racist Jim Clyburn district. How high is your blood pressure as you are seeing Republicans

00:18:00.060 abandon the strategic imperative here? Yeah, this is just classic rhino tactics. We see this

00:18:08.660 constantly. The thing that just blows my mind is you never see Democrats do this ever. They never,

00:18:14.620 if they had an opportunity to get rid of some Republican seats, they would do it in a heartbeat.

00:18:19.340 And I think we should put up the names of the five, the five senators who are doing that. We

00:18:24.200 have Shane Massey. We have Sean Bennett, Chip Campson, Luke Rankin, and Tom Davis. These are

00:18:30.760 the five rhinos who we need to get rid of. And they better watch out because I don't think they 1.00

00:18:35.100 took the lesson that, that they had, you know, the other Republicans who were just primaried

00:18:39.400 and Trump got rid of them. They didn't take that lesson. So we need to really get on these people.

00:18:45.380 I want to, I want to read this quote real quick too, because, uh, South Carolina leader,

00:18:51.080 Shane Massey, he blocked the redistricting effort and his words were quote,

00:18:57.120 South Carolina is stronger when we have a vibrant and viable democratic party.

00:19:05.100 I can't fathom that.

00:19:06.960 You would never.

00:19:07.920 Where is the Democrat saying Virginia is stronger when we have a vibrant Republican?

00:19:13.320 They don't do that. 0.99

00:19:15.020 These people are insane. 1.00

00:19:16.360 They're insidious. 1.00

00:19:17.560 All of them.

00:19:18.760 I have solutions for what we should do with all of them.

00:19:23.320 There's just, we've got to get rid of these people.

00:19:25.860 We're not going to make it.

00:19:26.840 This is, this is.

00:19:27.660 This is, yes.

00:19:29.960 Pearson is, of course, speaking metaphorically when he says get rid of them.

00:19:32.780 me speaking in the political sense only. Pearson, you know, I see that and I just see such a

00:19:39.700 disconnect from the reality. They have no idea. Could you imagine Gavin Newsom saying, hey,

00:19:44.820 it's actually better for us if we have Republicans who also represent the people in the state. We

00:19:50.560 are getting wiped out. We're getting wiped out by people like Gavin Newsom. And you're saying

00:19:55.080 that these people in South Carolina are more worried about. Yes. Well, in Massey specifically,

00:20:00.500 the Republican leader of the state Senate in South Carolina saying that keeping Jim Clyburn

00:20:06.800 in the House of Representatives actually inures to the benefit of his state. And you know what?

00:20:14.480 You know what? We saw them give up the game in Virginia. In Virginia, where Democrats didn't

00:20:19.320 cross their I's, didn't cross their T's, where they didn't sequence the votes correctly to have

00:20:24.860 this gerrymander change driving the Republicans out of the Commonwealth. You know what Hakeem

00:20:29.540 Jeffries was calling for? Changing the Supreme Court. They wanted to change the Supreme Court,

00:20:35.020 drop the maximum age, so a bunch of them were swept out. So don't you see that? Don't you see

00:20:41.160 that as an obvious tell for what they will do if they get power in Washington? They will pack the

00:20:48.000 Supreme Court, they will admit D.C. and Puerto Rico, and Shane Massey will be sitting with his

00:20:53.240 thumb in his keister in South Carolina wanting to give us a lecture about how great Jim Clyburn is.

00:20:58.700 These people hate us. They hate us so much and they don't care at all what we think. Republicans and Democrats, they both hate us. We're on our own here. This is insane. I think these people are going to be in for a surprise. I think they're going to be out of office. And I think we are going to manage the redistricting. I think that they're, you know, Trump said he's keeping an eye on South Carolina. I think that means there's a lot going on behind the scenes and these people have no idea what's coming for them.

00:21:25.520 um fortunately it looks like we're probably gonna get the shame is though let me interrupt you there

00:21:30.980 let me interrupt you there because you know what sucks about that like we could go wipe out all 0.83

00:21:35.700 the indiana republican senators who backstabbed us but we don't get a better map in indiana

00:21:40.080 like we could go beat these five south carolina senators in an upcoming election but that doesn't

00:21:47.240 that doesn't seize the historic opportunity to get rid of racist maps that are meant to exclude

00:21:51.800 white candidates and i just don't know how these people go back to their districts and face their

00:21:56.580 constituents but i interrupted you go ahead no it's fine i think that we we do have some hope

00:22:02.540 though i know i'm always uh negative nancy on here but we do have some hope uh governor kemp

00:22:07.300 of florida just or of georgia just announced that they're going to georgia yeah that they're going

00:22:12.060 to be um doing a special election in uh june to do redraw the map of georgia so that's that's

00:22:19.540 great news. And so it looks like we're probably going to be picking up like 13 seats when all

00:22:24.920 these things go through. Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, hopefully South

00:22:31.120 Carolina. And hopefully in South Carolina, these people not only are forced to go along with the

00:22:35.600 will of the voters and redraw the map, but are also primaried after pulling the stunt.

00:22:40.560 So we get the best of both worlds. We can always hope for that.

00:22:42.900 you know uh i think the brian kemp in georgia reversal is a very interesting political moment

00:22:52.120 because you'll recall initially governor kemp said well we're not doing this in georgia oh yeah

00:22:56.580 he's mindless and then you saw florida do it and then you saw louisiana do it and then you saw

00:23:01.600 tennessee do it and the pressure started to build and here here is the little political nugget

00:23:06.360 brian kemp wants to run for president in 2028 he wants to run for president under the theory that

00:23:12.280 he can bring the MAGA and non-MAGA wings of Republican politics together. But I think that

00:23:19.840 he knew that this has reached such a fever pitch. We've been talking about it, conservative

00:23:24.460 commentators, operatives, activists, donors, talking about it everywhere. And I do not believe

00:23:30.200 Brian Kemp in his own mind thought that he had a path to the presidency if he did not reverse

00:23:35.500 course and go back and do this. Do you think that a governor who does not take the action necessary

00:23:40.620 has disqualified themselves as a potential presidential aspirant.

00:23:44.760 Well, yeah, this is the will of the people.

00:23:46.260 This is what everybody in America wants right now.

00:23:48.300 This is another version of the SAVE Act.

00:23:51.820 This is giving people rights to vote that they should have had before.

00:23:56.840 Kemp will never be in the White House.

00:23:59.120 He is a spineless, weak-kneed rhino through and through. 0.94

00:24:03.580 And I, for one, will never forget how he treated and betrayed Trump 0.59

00:24:07.660 during the 2020 election with the voting shenanigans that happened in his state.

00:24:12.380 So I think that he's just got a fever dream here.

00:24:15.540 But as long as he errs on our side this time, I mean, that's a win for our column.

00:24:20.620 And I'll take it.

00:24:21.720 He's going to be out.

00:24:22.840 He's not going to go anywhere after that.

00:24:24.980 But at least we can get a new map in Georgia.

00:24:27.060 And that's phenomenal.

00:24:28.820 So I think we have real headwind here.

00:24:30.420 I think the power of the people are making themselves known.

00:24:33.660 And we're going to really do some good here. 0.57

00:24:37.660 Whenever we like flip one of these establishment clowns to our viewpoint on something, it does

00:24:44.020 showcase where the real energy is in the movement. And that would be a lesson that I think would be

00:24:49.200 well learned by five Republican senators in South Carolina. Now, before we have that 2020

00:24:54.380 presidential contest, we do have these midterms coming up. One of the key issues that I've seen

00:24:59.160 in poll after poll that I've been reviewing, gas prices, fuel prices. And as great as the

00:25:05.900 One Big Beautiful Bill Act was for taxpayers. No tax on tips, no tax on Social Security and

00:25:12.100 overtime and big deductions for small businesses to be able to reinvest. That dopamine hit happens

00:25:19.180 one time and people are filling up the gas can once a week, maybe even more frequently,

00:25:25.840 given the prices that people are paying right now. You're following a headline about a drawdown on

00:25:32.000 the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. What do you think that means for the economy and for our upcoming

00:25:37.040 politics? Joe Biden drained the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to historic lows. He used

00:25:45.160 America's energy or emergency oil supply to cover up the fact that his policies were crushing

00:25:51.960 American families. The SPR is supposed to be used for real national emergencies. It's not supposed

00:25:57.660 to be a political tool used to cover up failed energy policy. But now the Trump administration

00:26:05.400 is doing the same thing. And to be fair, I know that's not exactly what Biden did because the

00:26:11.520 Department of Energy says this is just a loan. It's not a sale. And that more than 53 million

00:26:17.980 barrels are being released. And the DOA says that the oil will be returned with a premium

00:26:21.780 and they'll get more oil back than the reserve than was taken out. But that doesn't erase the

00:26:27.600 problem because the reserve was never fully rebuilt after Biden depleted it. It's supposed

00:26:32.120 to be at over 700 million barrels, and it's at like 380 million right now. It's about to drop

00:26:38.720 down to barely 300. That's way less than half full, way below where it was before. And now,

00:26:45.400 before the emergency supply has been restored, Washington is dipping into the piggy bank again.

00:26:51.660 That is not what we voted for. The standard can't be that when Biden does it, it's wrong and it's

00:27:01.460 reckless. But when Trump does it, it's strategic. The standard has to be, is this good for America?

00:27:10.160 I'm not going to pretend that Trump is Biden. Biden's energy policy was disaster. And if this

00:27:15.820 oil truly is returned with a premium, then this could end up being a responsible exchange.

00:27:21.000 But that's the key word. If Washington always says that the money will be paid back,

00:27:27.120 the emergency power is temporary, the reserve will be refilled later. And somehow later never

00:27:34.940 happens. So I think there's a simple solution that Biden deserves the blame for draining the SPR,

00:27:43.340 but now trump owns what happens next he's doing this right now if the oil comes back with a

00:27:49.640 premium and the reserve is rebuilt that's great but we have to hold them to that promise

00:27:54.960 conservatives should not give any administration a free pass for drawing down america's emergency

00:28:01.760 oil supply while it's still nowhere near where it should be this is important especially for a

00:28:07.440 conflict that, frankly, I think America started. America first means drill here, produce here,

00:28:14.700 refine here, and refill the reserve. Stop treating the strategic petroleum reserve

00:28:20.080 like Washington's emergency credit card. Wow. Well, I will give Trump credit that

00:28:28.020 in a time in which the reserve had been drained and oil prices were cheap, he did top off

00:28:33.040 the reserve. And perhaps that gives him some credibility, but I do agree that this is a

00:28:38.780 temporary fix. Well, go right ahead. Explain why. Well, because I think Biden drew it down to like

00:28:44.980 280 million barrels and Trump brought it back up to something like 450 is maybe 500. That's still

00:28:53.180 way short of the 700, 700 million that is considered full capacity. So we never filled

00:28:58.740 it up. And in the last, I think, three weeks, we've taken out 170 million barrels. Like that's

00:29:05.460 huge. That's massive. That's not refilling. Has it made your gas price go down? I don't feel like

00:29:11.040 the drawdown, maybe it didn't spike gas prices as much as it should have. But do you think it's

00:29:17.060 overly reductive, Pearson, to say there's no number in the United States that is more significant

00:29:24.480 to the Republicans' chance to hold the midterms

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00:29:59.000 yeah absolutely and i i want to say something that i think a lot of trump supporters are are

00:30:08.660 feeling at this point. It's that we voted for America first, not Iran first, not NATO first,

00:30:19.140 not foreign wars first, but America first. And right now, a lot of Americans are getting squeezed

00:30:25.260 from every direction. You know, groceries are still too expensive. Gas is climbing. Electricity

00:30:31.600 is up. And after all of that, Americans turn on the news. And what do we hear? Washington talking

00:30:38.800 about Iran. And I understand the argument that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. That's a serious

00:30:45.020 issue. Nobody's saying it's not. But when President Trump was asked, and this is just crazy to me,

00:30:50.780 when he was asked whether Americans financial situation was motivating him to make a deal,

00:30:56.000 He said, not even a little bit.

00:31:00.180 He said, I don't think about Americans' financial situation.

00:31:04.160 Matt, that is a terrible answer.

00:31:06.820 And I want to say that as someone who wants Trump to succeed,

00:31:10.480 because the people who supported him are not asking for weakness.

00:31:14.520 They're not asking him to let Iran get a nuclear bomb,

00:31:17.520 but they are asking him to remember why he was sent to Washington in the first place.

00:31:23.360 He was sent there to put Americans first.

00:31:26.000 Now, that means our truckers filling up their tanks and the mom trying to buy eggs and fruit 0.99

00:31:33.520 and milk without blowing up her weekly budget. These aren't background issues. These are the

00:31:40.220 issues. And, you know, the latest reports, I don't know if you saw them on inflation are not good.

00:31:45.820 Consumer prices spiked again in April. Food prices are higher than ever. Have you tried to buy steak

00:31:51.760 lately? I mean, beef is out of control and we're heading into grilling season. I think a lot more

00:31:57.040 Americans care about whether or not they can fire up the barbecue in the backyard with their

00:32:01.820 families than whether or not Iran has a theoretical bomb, which all science pointed against and which

00:32:09.500 they were never going to use. So when Americans hear, I don't think about Americans' financial

00:32:15.840 situation. You know, they're right to be angry, because we do. We think about it every day. We

00:32:22.700 think about it at the pump and at Costco and when the power bill comes in. So this is where Trump

00:32:28.280 has to be careful, because his strongest supporters did not back him so America could get dragged into

00:32:33.920 another open-ended Middle East crisis while our own people get poorer at home. You know, they

00:32:40.000 backed him because he promised to stop that cycle. Iran matters. I get that. But national security 0.97

00:32:46.860 matters. You know, the American people matter, too. If Washington is spending $30 billion

00:32:51.860 overseas tapping emergency oil reserves, watching our gas prices soar and telling Americans that

00:32:58.520 he's not even thinking about our financial pain, that's not America first. You know, that's the

00:33:03.820 old Washington mindset with a different logo. And Trump doesn't need to be perfect. That is not a

00:33:09.580 good soundbite. No, it's not. And the Democrats are going to use that against him. I do not

00:33:15.440 believe there is a single competitive congressional or Senate race or governor's race in the entire

00:33:22.000 country where that soundbite will not be played in a deluge of ads. I believe that that soundbite

00:33:30.140 is one we're going to see a lot. Now, in President Trump's defense, I know what he was trying to do

00:33:35.080 there. I know what he was trying to do is say that he wouldn't be leveraged. He wouldn't be

00:33:39.500 subjected to a timetable and he was going to do what he thought is right. He didn't want to go

00:33:45.300 into a negotiation with China or Iran or anyone else with the person at the other side of the

00:33:50.440 negotiation thinking that he's got a political gun to his head when it comes to some of these

00:33:55.600 domestic issues. But I agree that choice of words is one that we're going to have to now

00:34:00.440 grapple with and deal with. And it's something that I don't think accurately reflects the

00:34:06.460 president's thinking, but in the context of that specific discussion around these foreign policy

00:34:11.900 issues, it came out. And here's what I was thinking about this today. Well, there may be

00:34:19.640 a clarification coming, but like how many Americans do you think woke up this morning

00:34:24.820 and were like, their first thought was like, oh my gosh, thank God today was not the day

00:34:30.120 that Iran got a nuclear weapon. I get the point you're making about it's significant. It's we 0.78

00:34:35.400 We don't support proliferation generally.

00:34:37.580 I wish no countries had nuclear weapons. 0.95

00:34:39.520 But the truth is, like, Pakistan is a radicalized ethno-nationalist theocracy, and they have 0.90

00:34:47.600 nuclear weapons and have not used them due to the concept of mutually assured destruction. 0.69

00:34:52.860 And again, that's not preferable. 0.90

00:34:54.480 I'm not suggesting that's the A strategy, but, you know, containment of the American 0.88

00:35:00.960 state of despair around some of these prices may require more containment of Iran than just 0.88

00:35:09.000 this continued warfare and the belief that we can have a pure denial posture, because 0.98

00:35:14.020 they've shown successful denial capability in the Straits of Hormuz, and we have to be

00:35:21.080 realistic about this. Do you think in our lifetime all these rich Gulf countries will 0.99

00:35:25.840 have nuclear weapons or none of them will? It's hard to imagine it won't be one or the

00:35:29.480 other, right? I feel like you'll have Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, all with their own

00:35:35.020 nuclear weapons that they've got from some disaffected North Korean scientist, or the world 0.89

00:35:42.740 will be able to maintain nonproliferation. I kind of think it's more likely to be the former than 0.71

00:35:47.420 the latter. And I say that with no joy. Yeah, I think you're probably right. And I think Saudi

00:35:52.160 Arabia is probably going to be the first one to do it. I was actually thinking about that the other

00:35:56.400 day that it's interesting that the United States is the only one in the history of the world who

00:36:02.560 actually developed the nuclear bomb. Everybody else stole it. You know, Russia stole it from us.

00:36:09.540 China, I can't remember if they stole it from Russia or were given it from Russia.

00:36:13.620 And it's just proceeded from there. India stole it. Pakistan stole it. You know, no one was ever, 0.91

00:36:18.400 ever developed it except the United States. Germany was close, but we beat them to it. 0.98

00:36:25.120 so it's interesting and i i do think that since the cat's out of the box we've seen what it can do

00:36:31.220 i don't think a nation would actually use it again i think it might be a rogue actor who

00:36:38.900 actually pulls the trigger someday but i'm not worried about you know if we had someone who i 0.72

00:36:44.160 would say i really don't want to get the bomb it would be pakistan and so far they haven't used it 0.78

00:36:49.900 they have it. No. So, yeah. So, you know, North Korea, I'm not really worried about that. I think 0.99

00:36:56.220 they're just, they just do a lot of posturing. Um, China, I think they're mature enough that 1.00

00:37:01.780 they would never use it. Um, I don't know. I just, I don't see it as a, as a legitimate threat. 1.00

00:37:07.740 I think we have counters for it. So I don't think that's, that's a reason to go in and

00:37:11.700 do what we've done here to be perfectly honest. Maybe I'm naive. I probably am, but that's my

00:37:17.480 opinion. Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, if there was a nuclear war that wiped out a lot of humanity,

00:37:24.280 we wouldn't be around to have this podcast and talk about it. And so I don't want to be dismissive

00:37:28.660 or glib about it, but like we have very real problems here in the United States that are

00:37:33.520 prescient at the kitchen tables of every American family. And if we as a Republican party, as a

00:37:40.340 team, don't address those and indicate that we're a good shepherd and a good steward of people's

00:37:47.200 personal conditions. I don't think that a lecture about Middle East global power and the Iranian

00:37:54.620 threat is going to be very helpful. No, it's not. And I wonder, you know, please. I was going to

00:38:01.240 say, I don't know if you saw the poll, but Democrats are beating Republicans on the economy

00:38:08.200 for the first time since 2010. More Americans think Democrats would do a better job handling

00:38:14.440 the economy than Republicans. And the other poll that just came out, did you see the poll on Trump

00:38:19.980 on his, on his numbers, his popular numbers? Yeah. Yeah. So he's got 39%.

00:38:27.000 You know, I don't know that I trust all of these polls on the right because there's so many

00:38:35.340 conservatives who don't take polls. I could barely poll you at the office about anything

00:38:40.260 without you saying that, you know, you don't want to be registered on your opinion on it.

00:38:45.220 I agree. I agree. But it's it's not a good look as some of these, you know, are bound to be

00:38:51.220 somewhat accurate, somewhat predictive. As we know, you know, heading into 2016, the polls were

00:38:56.960 completely off kilter, had nothing to do with reality. You know, Trump was winning by a landslide.

00:39:01.940 um but he is losing support and republicans don't understand how important the economy is to us

00:39:13.900 we are being bled to death and it's not getting better and that's something else i was thinking

00:39:19.040 about you know in my lifetime not once has anything ever improved it's just gotten worse

00:39:27.020 to a lesser degree, you know, we are not better off than we were 10 years ago. We're not better

00:39:31.980 off than we were 20 years ago. Everything continually gets worse and worse and worse.

00:39:36.540 More taxes, lower quality of life, everything gets worse. And that is really depressing to

00:39:41.780 think about because I don't know how we reverse it because nobody in charge seems to want to do

00:39:45.200 anything about it. Well, I do think that the supply side shock on energy that the Trump

00:39:53.040 administration did in their first 100 days was effective. We did see inflation starting to bend

00:39:59.820 down. We did see energy affordable again. People who were in the Northeast and dealing with the

00:40:06.060 winter were able to get through a heating cycle without just completely emptying their entire

00:40:11.640 bank accounts. And it's this war. It's the closure of the Straits of Hormuz. It's the disruption of

00:40:16.620 global energy markets that has really jostled what was, I think otherwise, a brilliant

00:40:22.740 strategy that was in place before us. But what you just mentioned about Democrats being trusted

00:40:29.000 more on the economy right now in this flashpoint moment, it gets me very frightened when I look

00:40:35.160 at it through the lens of where Democrat presidential politics is going. We got a shock

00:40:40.920 poll this week that the leading presidential candidate for Democrats is not Gavin Newsom.

00:40:47.140 It's not J.B. Pritzker. It's not Wes Moore. It's not Kamala Harris. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

00:40:54.740 has the Democrat socialist lane all to herself. There's no other social. I don't think Bernie's

00:41:01.340 going to run this time. So if you are a Democrat socialist, she is going to run. She is going to 0.97

00:41:07.700 be the option. And right now she's in the lead. Pearson Sharp, your reaction to your new Democrat

00:41:13.600 front runner in 2028, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? I don't think it should be taken seriously. I

00:41:19.020 don't think she's going to make it. But I think importantly, there was two interesting things I

00:41:24.800 got from that. One, Gavin Newsom isn't leading in any of these polls. There were like three or four

00:41:30.860 that were done. And I think the highest he got was third, but he was not leading in any of the

00:41:36.000 polls, which is really interesting because he's been pushing hard for this for years. He spent

00:41:40.540 his entire governorship trying to be president. And as far as I know, Ocasio-Cortez hasn't,

00:41:45.500 she's just kind of been doing her little socialist thing. And she came out and said that

00:41:50.380 she didn't think that presidency was necessarily her next ambition. She had much bigger ambitions,

00:41:57.340 you know, to change the face of America and your presidents come and go, but what she wants to do

00:42:01.760 is bigger than that. So I don't know what she's going to do. But in the end, I don't think it

00:42:06.560 really matters who the democrats pick as far as who if the person wins because whoever sits in the

00:42:13.340 white house is not going to be running the show they're just going to be a face and a puppet just

00:42:17.140 like biden was the people behind the scenes are going to be pulling the strings if gavin newsom

00:42:22.040 got in he wouldn't be running the show you know nobody who's actually on the democrat side is

00:42:26.260 going to be in charge that's why i think one of the reasons they hate trump so much because he

00:42:29.520 actually is in charge you know he actually is making a lot of these decisions so oh yeah yeah

00:42:34.940 I think, you know, whoever they pick, it doesn't really matter.

00:42:38.100 Ocasio might have a better chance than average.

00:42:40.840 She appeals to a lot of young people for some reason.

00:42:44.680 And she has that youthful energy.

00:42:47.540 And she's got a lot of the right talking points. 0.65

00:42:49.720 You know, she wants that Green New Deal. 0.99

00:42:51.200 She'd make that national policy.

00:42:53.380 So I don't know.

00:42:54.580 I just think it's a fluke.

00:42:55.760 I think if they did another poll in the same area.

00:42:57.680 She's running, Pearson.

00:42:59.020 She's running.

00:43:00.020 Well, she might. 0.99

00:43:00.860 No, listen, do not buy the obfuscation that, oh, she can do things from different parts. 0.99

00:43:06.700 I've talked to this woman about power.

00:43:08.560 I've talked to her about the White House. 0.89

00:43:10.180 She is absolutely running for president the first opportunity she gets. 1.00

00:43:14.240 And she will blow right past the Senate. 1.00

00:43:16.860 And by the way, the Senate's not even a good place to run for the presidency from. 0.94

00:43:20.320 It's like the House of Lords.

00:43:21.540 The House, in today's environment of social media and television appearances, the House

00:43:26.520 of representatives is a better pedestal for a path to the presidency, I think, than the

00:43:31.700 United States Senate. And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will be a candidate. And I think that she 0.99

00:43:37.820 will invigorate a vast donor base. Do not sleep on her. She's going to be very serious.

00:43:43.740 I agree.

00:43:44.360 I take your point that the difference in policy between AOC and Gavin Newsom might actually

00:43:50.480 not be that much when you think about how their administrations would be cobbled together

00:43:55.900 and who would be able to make decisions in those administrations.

00:43:59.220 But Gavin Newsom has a fight on his hands.

00:44:01.640 It's going to be classic California versus New York, 0.86

00:44:04.980 a Gen X guy versus a millennial woman, 0.63

00:44:08.200 a white guy against a non-white woman.

00:44:11.420 And it could tear the Democrat Party apart

00:44:14.820 because a lot of people there will view him as more electable,

00:44:18.960 which is kind of insane when you think about it.

00:44:21.320 What do you think her appeal is with young people?

00:44:24.000 she's just she understands she's attractive I don't think so I looks like a horse but I think

00:44:32.420 she's got the right lingo she understands the the social media she you know can handle all that

00:44:38.820 she's in touch with the what her base wants and what they like and what they think

00:44:43.920 whereas Gavin Newsom you know he's in touch with wine country but he has a lot of the

00:44:50.240 establishment behind him you know a lot of the nancy pelosi people who have been there for decades

00:44:54.820 they're behind him i think whereas nancy and i mean you probably have a good insight on that

00:44:59.680 nancy and aoc i don't think they get along very well so there's going to be a little a little

00:45:05.300 internal war there but whoever ends up there is not going to be pulling they're not they're not

00:45:10.600 going to let aoc make decisions if she becomes president are you kidding they're going to bustle 0.85

00:45:15.520 her out there for the cameras and then they're going to go in and tell her what she needs to do 1.00

00:45:18.620 and i mean newsom's an idiot like i don't know if you ever you've heard him talk off camera you 0.99

00:45:24.240 know and and off script he can't put two words together he sounds great when he's got a prompter 1.00

00:45:29.100 but he's an idiot you know he he just he has he's on drugs or something but he gets he he's able to 1.00

00:45:37.400 fail upwards continuously and we've talked about that nothing he does ever comes back on him 1.00

00:45:43.580 somehow. He just has massive protection from the people above him.

00:45:47.820 To be clear, Pearson's assertion that Newsom is on drugs is his opinion based on Newsom's

00:45:55.060 behavior. We, of course, have no evidence of that. But I do want to tell you what we are

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00:47:10.960 some of the scientific data regarding the vaccine and concerning child deaths.

00:47:16.120 Well, so it turns out, and this is just, we keep getting these stories, that the FDA went through

00:47:23.340 a number of deaths. They went through, I think it was 96 deaths of children who received the vaccine.

00:47:30.300 And they looked at the autopsy reports and they examined all the files, the medical examiners

00:47:34.620 report. And they concluded that something like six of these children were actually killed by

00:47:42.340 the vaccine. The vaccine killed them. And that doesn't sound like a lot, but there's a couple

00:47:49.220 things to consider. One, if you're one of those parents of a kid who died because they took the

00:47:54.100 vaccine, that's a hell of a lot. That's unbelievable. And the horrendous part of this is that they

00:48:03.120 covered it up. The FDA added this to their list of safety concerns for the vaccine. And then they

00:48:12.160 never published it. And they kept it under wraps and never let anybody know about it. The Biden

00:48:17.620 regime knew about it. They were aware of it. And they continued to tell people that it was safe

00:48:21.620 and effective. They continued telling people that they could take this. This came out in December

00:48:25.160 of 2024, I think. And this is a report that they published. And it's just coming to light now.

00:48:33.860 And this is one of at least a dozen reports that I've seen

00:48:38.260 where the FDA, the CDC, the NIH,

00:48:41.020 they all had these reports coming across their desk

00:48:43.580 that showed there was significant concern

00:48:46.140 about the vaccine safety signals on these injections.

00:48:49.760 And they did nothing about them.

00:48:51.180 And worse, they covered them up.

00:48:52.920 And what's crazy is that in the 1970s,

00:48:55.860 we had the swine flu epidemic

00:48:57.260 and we rolled out a vaccine for that.

00:49:00.480 and the vaccine ended up causing Guillain-Barre syndrome.

00:49:03.580 And I think there was something like 10,000 cases of Guillain-Barre

00:49:08.600 after the vaccines went around.

00:49:11.520 And it was like 45 million people took the vaccines here in America.

00:49:14.760 But they ended up having, I think, like a dozen deaths

00:49:18.380 after the vaccines were handed out.

00:49:21.420 And when those reports came out,

00:49:23.340 they completely shut down the vaccine and stopped handing it out.

00:49:26.880 That was it.

00:49:27.480 a dozen deaths were enough for them to cancel the vaccine program. But here we have, and I have to

00:49:34.600 preface this because these reports are going to the VAERS system. And I believe it was Ron Johnson

00:49:41.440 who came out and made a statement that according to the doctors that he'd spoken with and the

00:49:48.020 testimonies he'd seen, that something like two thirds of the cases that happened, like the deaths

00:49:55.580 or the injuries go unreported to the system

00:49:58.880 because the system's hard to use.

00:50:00.160 The doctors don't report it.

00:50:01.520 And mostly it's doctors who report it,

00:50:02.920 not average citizens.

00:50:04.360 It's hard to use and hard to figure out.

00:50:07.300 And so those six deaths are vastly,

00:50:11.400 vastly underrepresented of how many people

00:50:14.080 were actually killed by this vaccine.

00:50:17.240 And so that's something to keep in mind.

00:50:19.180 I think as we go on and more and more time passes

00:50:22.000 and RFK continues digging into this,

00:50:24.080 we're going to find out the extent of the horrors of what was perpetrated on the American people

00:50:28.520 in the name of science. Yeah, there is a special level of hell reserved for anyone who knew that

00:50:36.260 children were dying and chose to scuttle that information and to keep it out of public view

00:50:43.120 for some perceived policy goal or perhaps even self-promotion or pecuniary gain. I really think

00:50:51.280 that's got to be investigated, and I appreciate you bringing it to our audience.

00:50:54.980 Pearson, this brings us to the end of our hour.

00:50:57.000 Thanks so much for joining me.

00:50:58.020 We'll be back again next week for another episode of Anchorman.

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The Anchormen Show EP 127 - CHINA, RINOs, & AOC w⧸ Pearson Sharp

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