The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 135 - RACIAL ANIMUS HIJACKS JUSTICE

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp

00:00:11.200 welcome back to the anchorman ladies and gentlemen we appreciate you joining us tonight

00:00:18.800 and we will do our best to radicalize everyone watching this into the correct opinions on all

00:00:24.560 of these topics. Joining me, of course, is my inestimable co-host, Matt Gaetz from The Matt

00:00:30.000 Gaetz Show, and of course, David Pollack. Welcome. Thank you for having me back, man. Absolutely.

00:00:35.680 It's nicer in here with Matt in a remote location. The tension's lower.

00:00:39.820 Tension is a little lower. How are you doing, Matt? How are you doing out in Florida?

00:00:42.820 I have so much FOMO. I have so much FOMO. I wish I was there with you guys,

00:00:48.180 but I tell you what, I'm on assignment. I've been talking to all my sources.

00:00:52.820 There are just some days where your entire contact list seems like it's that day where they're going to contact you.

00:00:59.560 And so whether it is what's going on on Capitol Hill or out in the news, I can't wait to talk to you guys about it.

00:01:05.240 And I am worried you'll have too much fun there without me.

00:01:10.080 Not a chance.

00:01:10.760 What are you doing out in Florida?

00:01:11.780 What's going on?

00:01:12.280 What are you covering?

00:01:14.920 You know, it is quite the time in the Sunshine State.

00:01:19.340 the Speaker of the House here just got named a U.S. ambassador to Brazil. And in Florida,

00:01:25.480 it's where we see a lot of the folks who have made their way to the White House, to the campaign

00:01:30.480 trail in these midterms to make sure that the Republican team wins. So I've been catching up

00:01:36.460 with a few of those folks. And also, I've got a 10-month-old, so I've been doing a lot of diapers,

00:01:41.620 a lot of diapers. And you know what? It is so cool to dip my son into the Gulf of America.

00:01:48.740 I don't even get why Mexico got the Gulf name in the first place.

00:01:53.600 I felt like the Gulf might have had a bad PR representative, that it got named the Gulf of Mexico.

00:01:59.480 But President Trump saved it and saved all of us.

00:02:03.240 We got it right in the end.

00:02:04.400 How does little Lucky like the ocean?

00:02:08.720 Oh, he loves it.

00:02:09.900 He loves it. 0.54

00:02:10.540 And my wife is a sailor, and she is determined to make sure that he is in the country club white people's port of sailing.

00:02:22.320 And so from, like, day one, you don't really see a lot of diversity in sailing, do you?

00:02:28.220 Like, you see more diversity in the high dive than you do in sailing.

00:02:32.940 I don't see a lot of diversity in those boats coming to Florida.

00:02:37.120 Wow.

00:02:37.640 Yes, yes. That is definitely a different form of sailing.

00:02:45.080 And, you know, we had an earthquake off the coast of Cuba a few days ago.

00:02:48.660 I felt it shake in the Sunshine State, 6.2 on the Richter scale off of Cuba.

00:02:55.360 Of course, I blame the CIA.

00:02:57.380 Of course, it's the CIA.

00:02:59.380 Yeah, that was crazy.

00:03:00.620 My friends were calling me from Florida saying, we just felt an earthquake.

00:03:04.560 The thing is, I've never felt an earthquake, and I moved to California.

00:03:06.920 I'm actually excited to feel an earthquake.

00:03:08.620 That's nothing.

00:03:09.180 Well, I want to feel one just because I can say I've done it.

00:03:11.340 And then I leave Florida, I come to California, 0.99

00:03:13.360 and then there's a damn earthquake in Florida. 0.99

00:03:14.760 That's got to be the first earthquake in Florida's history. 0.99

00:03:16.720 No, they have, once in a while, they have little ones.

00:03:18.460 Cuba has earthquakes, yeah.

00:03:19.680 Okay.

00:03:20.140 Yeah.

00:03:20.940 All right, well, jumping into one of the biggest topics for this week,

00:03:25.540 we have the case of Carmelo Anthony and that whole situation.

00:03:31.280 And as we know, Carmelo walked into a tent where he was not wanted

00:03:34.820 and not invited.

00:03:35.780 and murdered somebody, and now he's been sentenced.

00:03:40.180 What are you talking about?

00:03:40.880 I heard that it was just raining.

00:03:43.140 He wanted to avoid the rain, and a scuffle unfolded,

00:03:46.980 and the victim, in this case, impaled himself,

00:03:50.780 and then it was self-defense.

00:03:52.100 That's what I heard.

00:03:52.780 Is that not what happened?

00:03:53.720 Well, I mean, to listen to Jasmine Crockett talk about it.

00:03:57.480 Gosh, I should know better.

00:03:58.640 She was saying that, what did she say,

00:04:01.320 that the knife wasn't a deadly weapon.

00:04:03.440 It was only four inches.

00:04:04.780 Well, it killed him. 0.85

00:04:06.200 No, it wasn't a big enough knife to kill him.

00:04:09.940 Yeah.

00:04:10.460 Can we play a clip from what she said?

00:04:12.500 It's very clear that Jasmine Crockett has never seen anything larger than four inches that she's afraid of. 1.00

00:04:22.220 We need to add a rim shot in here.

00:04:24.980 Can we play the clip of what she said?

00:04:26.540 Yeah.

00:04:26.880 If a 300-pound man is beating me, like, on top of me and beating me down, I'm not limited to fist.

00:04:37.980 You know, I would argue that even the only time we go into things like people's hands being considered deadly weapons is typically, like, if they're a professional boxer or that kind of stuff.

00:04:48.720 But I think by the time you start getting to, like, football player.

00:04:52.780 Here's a track runner.

00:04:53.760 Good argument. 0.95

00:04:54.820 Good freaking argument. 0.92

00:04:56.560 We're not talking about, like, the golfers. 0.97

00:04:58.920 We're talking about football players, right?

00:05:01.100 Like, this is what they are trained to do is to inflict, like, serious physical contact.

00:05:07.740 And it's my understanding that the decedent was that.

00:05:10.360 I think she misunderstands what the point of the sport of football is. 0.97

00:05:13.480 I just got dumber listening to her. 0.81

00:05:15.860 Matt, what's your take? 0.83

00:05:18.700 Well, my first reaction to all of this is I'm going to miss Jasmine Crockett.

00:05:22.640 She lost a United States Senate primary, and this will not be returning to Washington, D.C., and she has brought a level of candor where every thought that is in that brain that has, like, one brain cell playing freeze tag makes its way out of her mouth, and we all were able to consume that and enjoy it, and we will be less entertained, no doubt, without her presence there.

00:05:47.660 But what I find interesting here is the discussion around the stand your ground law and how that might interplay with these facts or other facts.

00:05:56.960 You know, the stand your ground law is something a lot of states have.

00:05:59.620 Florida has the stand your ground law.

00:06:01.420 And if you are where you are entitled to be and someone is intending to commit a forcible felony against you, you have the right to use deadly force.

00:06:12.380 Now, here, in this case, the stand-your-ground law is not an appropriate defense because you have Carmelo Anthony not where he's supposed to be.

00:06:21.060 No legal right to be there.

00:06:23.160 That is the element that is not met for that defense, likely contributing to this conviction.

00:06:28.220 I mean, and he was the only one there who had a knife at the track meet.

00:06:31.400 Why would you bring that?

00:06:33.860 You know, he got—he only got—the other problem I have with this is he only got 35 years, and I think that's just outrageous.

00:06:40.540 and he's eligible for parole in half that time.

00:06:43.400 17, yeah.

00:06:44.060 Yeah, 17. 0.99

00:06:44.900 I think he should have gotten the death penalty for this. 0.99

00:06:47.300 No, absolutely. 0.99

00:06:48.380 The death penalty?

00:06:48.700 Yeah, he murdered somebody.

00:06:49.600 He went in there.

00:06:50.180 He clearly had that opinion that he was going to murder somebody.

00:06:53.420 The death penalty is reserved for the really bad murder.

00:06:54.560 This was terrible.

00:06:55.240 Pearson usually wants to administer the death penalty to, like, three people every episode.

00:07:00.800 The death penalty is not something that Pearson would administer judiciously.

00:07:04.920 For his family, that's not enough.

00:07:06.600 If it was my daughter, that would not be enough. 0.98

00:07:08.540 Like, he should be executed for the state by this. 0.98

00:07:10.660 But look, and here's my thing. 0.95

00:07:11.780 I think the jury came to the proper verdict real quick on the racial makeup of the jury.

00:07:17.660 You'll see the fake news media.

00:07:19.480 And we're at Jasmine Crockett saying, this was an all-white jury.

00:07:22.440 Now, did you hear what the black jurors were saying? 0.88

00:07:24.740 Well, yeah, they were in education and they couldn't be impartial, so they were dismissed. 0.94

00:07:28.200 It wasn't controversial. 0.83

00:07:29.060 But the other thing is, it wasn't all white.

00:07:31.360 There was some Asians in there, some Hispanics.

00:07:33.840 There was people apparently of Arabic descent.

00:07:35.780 They're white by association. 1.00

00:07:36.940 But that's my point. Because they weren't black, the media went with the narrative of they're all white. 0.84

00:07:42.000 But they weren't all white. This was essentially made into a racial issue.

00:07:46.040 They were hoping that this case, they knew he would be convicted.

00:07:48.660 The facts were as clear as day. They were hoping to make this the summer of love, 2026.

00:07:54.040 I don't think it's actually going to catch fire like they're hoping to.

00:07:56.260 But George Soros has a few days to get some signs printed.

00:07:59.760 Maybe he was surprised with how rapidly the jury came with a verdict.

00:08:03.000 Do you know in this trial – have you heard this? The defense attorney argued that the – God, what's the kid's name? I'm sorry, the victim.

00:08:13.200 Austin.

00:08:13.560 Thank you. Austin. He impaled himself.

00:08:16.200 And when he made – when the attorney made that argument, the jury audibly gasped.

00:08:21.000 That's when you knew you lost the case, when your defense was – he stabbed himself with a Carmelo's knife. 0.96

00:08:26.500 That's insane. 0.92

00:08:28.480 Yeah. 0.96

00:08:28.920 Do we believe a black jury would have been more susceptible to that argument?

00:08:33.000 Like, that's what I'm wondering. 0.75

00:08:34.680 Like, if that was the defense, were they hoping that an all-black jury was going to be like, well, that makes total sense to me. 0.80

00:08:40.780 I know this. 0.65

00:08:41.760 If I am ever put on trial for anything, I want an all-Asian jury.

00:08:45.620 Because I want a jury that pays attention to the facts, like, meticulously.

00:08:50.000 And that is what I'm hoping for.

00:08:51.980 Well, I think this jury did a pretty good job, as it is. 0.65

00:08:54.200 I mean, the jurors, the black jurors that they rejected were saying that, oh, I can't, you know, I can't convict him. 0.90

00:09:00.560 He's black. 1.00

00:09:01.780 I can't convict him. 1.00

00:09:02.700 he looks like a child like how can that possibly be reasonable of course they were dismissed but

00:09:07.520 but the thing is and i've had uh you know a lot of people on my show talking about this angle

00:09:14.020 black people all kinds of people and nobody thinks this is a racial issue so the fact that this even

00:09:19.580 the defense attorney admitted it wasn't a racial issue so the fact that this is a racial issue is

00:09:24.280 completely just fabricated it it wasn't like one he stabbed one kid stabbed the other because of

00:09:30.240 their race it was just a kid had a knife and he didn't like that he was being told to leave and 0.75

00:09:34.200 he stabbed the dude and killed him it's oh if it was a white kid a black kid two Hispanic kids

00:09:38.240 kids from Mars it didn't there wasn't a racial case but yet the media went out of its way to

00:09:43.040 make it a racial case which just shows you how dishonest they are and how motivated they are

00:09:46.600 to destroy this country leading up to 2026. I mean the the the blacks outside the court 1.00

00:09:52.780 that were just on the verge of rioting the things that they were screaming one lady 0.97

00:09:57.100 screamed at a black police officer who was outside the court. She screamed at him and said, 0.94

00:10:02.500 how can you support this? They went after one of your own. You know, you're black. How can you

00:10:07.080 tolerate this? Like, this is a completely, for them, you know, it's because he was black is the 1.00

00:10:12.860 only reason they're defending him. You know, these people are just ignorant, retarded racists, 1.00

00:10:18.020 and they're coming after this case just because he's black. That's it. That's the only reason. 1.00

00:10:22.800 And you can't – I mean, look at that guy.

00:10:24.220 You can't go out there and have a reasonable, rational debate with these people.

00:10:27.780 Well, yes, but those – but the people you're seeing in this video on screen is of – look how – there's only like maybe 30 or 40 people. 0.89

00:10:35.580 You've got to think, and I believe after 2020 – I think actually after 2016, 2020, 2024, I think the black community by and large, not the people represented in this video, I think they have come home to the Republican Party.

00:10:50.180 I think no longer is the black community wanting to be manipulated by the radical left and drawn into these things.

00:10:56.440 And I think the proof is in the pudding with respect to the fact that you don't see riots happening.

00:11:00.680 And people, the black community is not saying this is an example of historical grievances. 0.72

00:11:06.380 It's just these small groups of people that are being egged on to do this stuff.

00:11:09.800 I don't think this is a bigger issue.

00:11:11.380 And I think the left has really overplayed their hand yet again like they've done in California.

00:11:15.640 And I'm sure we'll talk about that too.

00:11:16.140 But, I mean, if you look at the last election, that doesn't hold up because blacks overwhelmingly voted for Biden and overwhelmingly voted.

00:11:21.940 Trump got 20 percent of the black vote, largest Republican share of the vote.

00:11:26.700 That means 80 percent he didn't get.

00:11:28.220 Yeah, but you have to look at the share of the black vote that Trump got.

00:11:32.480 But not only that, regardless of the number of the black vote that Trump got, it signals a shift in a community where, and I've spoken to people about this. 0.57

00:11:42.380 And the reason why the black community votes in a block is because you will be treated very poorly if you vote for a Republican in a black community because you're like, hey, you're going against us. 0.72

00:11:52.540 So it takes a lot of courage for that 20 percent. 0.67

00:11:55.140 But if there is 20 percent that did vote for Trump, there's probably a larger percent that supports Trump that just didn't vote that way because of community pressures.

00:12:02.660 I believe Trump – and this is not a Republican thing, by the way. 0.61

00:12:05.520 I don't think Republicans are winning the black vote.

00:12:07.360 Trump is.

00:12:08.520 And it just depends on who replaces Trump, on how we continue to move forward and build a coalition of all ethnicities, blacks, Hispanics, whites, Asians, whoever you want.

00:12:18.460 The point is this is an American coalition.

00:12:20.640 And America first means everybody's welcome.

00:12:23.220 We all have things in common that we can work together for to save this country.

00:12:26.340 And I believe the Democrats in this day and age are losing the communities that they have pretended to represent for decades.

00:12:33.120 People are waking up, I think.

00:12:34.260 I'm being optimistic, though.

00:12:35.800 Matt, what do you think?

00:12:36.600 Do you think this is an opportunity? 0.50

00:12:38.280 Do you think this is evidence that the black American coalition is moving to the right? 0.84

00:12:45.320 Well, when you have these national elections moving unidirectionally, black voters to the Republican Party, it's easy to to get really bought into the optimism that David is selling right there. 0.63

00:12:59.540 Keep in mind, Mitt Romney, John McCain, these guys were getting single digits in the black vote.

00:13:05.640 And then Donald Trump goes and gets, you know, 20 percent, maybe even higher, frankly, because I don't know that even all those exit polls are accurate because of what David said.

00:13:15.340 If you're in the black community and someone at an exit poll is asking you, did you vote for Donald Trump?

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00:14:23.820 And there's another clip I wanted to play here. 0.98

00:14:26.180 There was a lady who was screaming outside the court.

00:14:28.520 Do we have that one ready? 0.50

00:14:29.800 What do you want us to do?

00:14:31.620 What do you want us to do at this point?

00:14:34.440 What?

00:14:35.300 I'm lost for it.

00:14:36.180 I don't know what to do.

00:14:37.200 I got five boys.

00:14:38.980 I don't know.

00:14:39.600 I ain't got nothing to tell them no more.

00:14:41.160 You can't walk away no more.

00:14:43.300 Rest in peace, Trayvon Martin.

00:14:44.880 I mean, what should she tell her kids?

00:14:46.960 Maybe don't murder people. 0.66

00:14:48.820 Don't stab people.

00:14:49.680 I think that's pretty clear.

00:14:50.860 These people are calling for violence, not because the justice system failed, but because it succeeded.

00:14:57.900 And that's what's terrifying.

00:14:59.240 But you know what else succeeded?

00:15:00.360 these Marxist

00:15:02.640 communist ideologies

00:15:04.520 that have convinced certain

00:15:06.460 black Americans that 0.97

00:15:08.260 this is a racist country and every 1.00

00:15:10.300 single example of racism 0.85

00:15:12.480 they're going to see. I mean this is

00:15:14.220 really, you're seeing this in the UK right now

00:15:16.600 with the riots

00:15:18.700 there. What's behind all

00:15:20.520 of this is a very intelligent

00:15:22.500 Marxist plan to make people feel

00:15:24.560 like victims in a society where they have no

00:15:26.400 control. And they look for the examples

00:15:28.440 everywhere because they're taught to look

00:15:30.380 for those examples everywhere. So they see

00:15:32.500 Carmelo Anthony and they see Trayvon Martin.

00:15:34.540 You can't draw parallels to those two. And by the

00:15:36.460 way, we know what happened in the Trayvon Martin case.

00:15:38.400 He wasn't just some dude going to get eggs

00:15:40.420 either. So the idea is

00:15:42.280 when you're taught as a community

00:15:44.480 to go and

00:15:46.160 find examples of race everywhere

00:15:48.460 and then when you don't see it, you have the fake 0.99

00:15:50.400 news media and ridiculous politicians 0.99

00:15:52.720 like Jasmine Crockett running around saying, 0.96

00:15:54.300 see, this is exactly what we've been warning you about. 0.98

00:15:56.760 Look how racist this country is. Barack

00:15:58.340 obama invented making everything oh he did absolutely and so this is a product i don't

00:16:03.020 blame i don't blame people thinking like this because this is a product of failed public

00:16:07.400 education very intelligent marxist policies to convince whole groups of people that they live

00:16:12.620 in a country that hates them none of it's true but what we need to do what we need to be careful

00:16:17.180 about what i am always cautioning people of doing is not seeing these videos and then doing the

00:16:21.760 knee-jerk reaction of responding to it emotionally as well and then sort of perpetuating the hate

00:16:27.820 because that's what we're seeing in Europe right now.

00:16:29.700 That's what we're seeing in the UK.

00:16:31.500 They're so angry that now they're doing exactly

00:16:34.100 what the Marxists wanted them to do

00:16:35.340 because guess what happens

00:16:36.180 when you have racial riots and fighting?

00:16:38.860 Well, the government comes in to save you

00:16:40.440 and makes everything better,

00:16:41.500 protect you from each other.

00:16:43.060 This is a much more intelligent strategy

00:16:45.440 and it's too easy to boil it down 0.93

00:16:47.420 to just people being racist or ignorant. 0.76

00:16:49.860 This is really the end product 0.87

00:16:51.420 of a very intelligently designed ploy

00:16:53.840 to keep people in a certain communities oppressed,

00:16:56.580 to keep them, in some instances, uneducated?

00:16:59.180 Why do you think Democrats don't want school choice?

00:17:01.060 And so you can go and then find examples of racial injustice

00:17:04.920 and then turn them loose into a society 0.70

00:17:06.520 where they go and commit crimes,

00:17:07.860 and next thing you know, 0.95

00:17:08.540 you have a bunch of white people running around going,

00:17:09.840 see, this is the plan. 0.85

00:17:12.240 We're seeing it play out.

00:17:13.480 It is not working.

00:17:14.540 The black community is waking up to this.

00:17:16.140 This is why you're not seeing riots in cities.

00:17:18.220 I think the Marxists are overplaying their hand

00:17:20.200 every step of the way.

00:17:21.000 California is a perfect example,

00:17:22.680 and we can talk about the Marxist takeover

00:17:24.120 of California later,

00:17:24.980 but very interesting stuff.

00:17:26.340 Matt, sorry, I'm over-talking you because you're on a camera.

00:17:29.080 What's your take?

00:17:32.360 I agree with all of that and have absolutely nothing to add.

00:17:35.540 Perfect! 0.93

00:17:36.880 That's a cosign.

00:17:37.760 And that's a show.

00:17:38.780 All right.

00:17:39.260 Thanks for tuning in, guys.

00:17:40.340 We'll see you next week.

00:17:42.480 No, I mean, what do you think, Matt?

00:17:43.980 Is this a Marxist takeover?

00:17:45.200 Is there real racial agitation here?

00:17:47.200 I've got something to say after this, but I want to hear what you think.

00:17:49.100 What do you think? Well, by the way, stoking racial animus has always been a tool of the

00:17:57.220 Marxist. If you go back even to the Black Panther movement and all of its alignments with some of

00:18:03.580 those global Marxist movements. But I think that what is breaking through and causing the shift

00:18:09.700 is the democratization of information through the digital age. In the pre-internet times,

00:18:17.120 the ability to have this type of breakthrough, where year over year, or I should say election

00:18:22.140 cycle over election cycle, you could double one party's share of the black vote. You could dominate

00:18:27.560 a group like working class black males in electoral success, the way President Trump did. 0.78

00:18:35.520 If you're doing all of that, it's because people are accessing a different set of information,

00:18:40.140 and they're able to align that with their own experiences. And I don't believe that the political

00:18:46.780 coalitions of the future are going to be built on identity like this. I think they're going to be

00:18:52.500 built on economics. I think where you sit in the economic stratosphere may say more about how

00:18:58.560 you're going to vote in the future than the color of your skin. And actually, that would be people

00:19:04.380 voting their interests in a more sincere way, because when you're just voting based on skin

00:19:09.800 color uh you've seen the result in these places where so many black americans are now leaving the

00:19:16.800 cities and then the plaque leaders who are stuck there are having to declare the city's sanctuaries 0.52

00:19:21.660 for illegals so that those illegals can come in and be a new group of folks to be duped to be

00:19:26.600 exploited yeah that i i do agree with that but i also think that there is a conversation that 0.99

00:19:33.560 needs to be had about the violence that is coming against white people from blacks. Because I don't 0.96

00:19:42.720 know if you've noticed, when I was a kid, I don't remember these headlines popping up like this all

00:19:46.820 the time. I feel like daily, almost, we're seeing headlines where some black guy kills a white 0.95

00:19:53.020 person and, like, stabs him on the subway, sets him on fire, you know, Irena Zarutska. This happens 0.98

00:20:00.160 more and more and more. And I don't think that it's, you know, just all blacks are ganging up 1.00

00:20:06.360 on whites. I think it's like what you were saying, that there's this small coalition of Marxists who 0.52

00:20:10.660 are instigating this, but I think it is accelerating and it's very worrying. You know, we have,

00:20:17.400 we have people killing white kids, Austin Metcalf, and you have society telling us that 0.95

00:20:22.260 his life didn't matter because he was white. You know, there's, it's, it's just very sad. 0.77

00:20:27.240 You had a guy outside the courthouse literally shouting, the only good cracker is a dead cracker.

00:20:32.240 There are real people who have these feelings, and I think we're seeing more and more of these incidents, and something needs to be done.

00:20:39.000 People need to address this.

00:20:40.220 But to be fair, I mean, I'm just going to call balls and strikes. 0.98

00:20:46.480 The history of this country is riddled with instances of white people committing violence on black people.

00:20:53.000 So you can't just take highlight one period in history and say, well, see, this is pretty off, you know, this is pretty off balance.

00:20:58.900 I think by and large, if there's an example of the woman on the train, I think really what it is more so than it was a black individual targeting a white individual. 0.52

00:21:08.620 I think what you're seeing is a breakdown of the services that were promised to the black community by generations of Democrat politicians and then falling short of delivering on those services.

00:21:18.260 And what it's done is it left certain members of black community with mental health issues, with drug addiction, with homelessness.

00:21:23.660 The black community has been manipulated by the Democrats and then abandoned by the Democrats. 0.94

00:21:28.840 And what happens? What happens when you have a population? 0.84

00:21:31.460 Go ahead, Ben.

00:21:34.220 No, I want to I want to kind of highlight a point that you had previously made, David, about Europe being one revolution ahead of us

00:21:42.240 and us seeing this violent backlash that is equally worthy of condemnation.

00:21:48.680 You know, Pearson, I want to ask you about that.

00:21:50.680 As you see people, you know, burning down storefronts out of frustration with this dynamic, you know, how do you react to that?

00:22:01.740 You're talking about the Sudanese man who tried to behead someone in Ireland and the backlash against it?

00:22:06.740 No, no, no. I'm talking, David, yeah, you made the point about some of the backlash that has come against kind of this flood of immigration in Europe.

00:22:16.520 And some of it has become, you know, like people are lighting buildings on fire.

00:22:21.460 They're burning homes with people inside.

00:22:22.360 I don't think that's like a productive way. Yeah, that's not like a productive way to deal with any of this.

00:22:27.920 But that's the end goal. I mean, that's the point of all of this, right?

00:22:30.580 The point of it is to, and I'm not saying your feelings about what you're seeing with

00:22:35.740 Austin Metcalf, and it's all legitimate, but it's by design.

00:22:39.140 You're supposed to be pissed off about this.

00:22:40.820 You're supposed to see the world through that lens. 0.98

00:22:43.040 Like, why is the violence be blacks against whites? 1.00

00:22:45.900 You're supposed to be angry by it because that is the design of this machine. 1.00

00:22:49.960 They're creating groups of people and pitting them against each other. 0.97

00:22:53.820 It's parents against their own kids with respect to the trans stuff.

00:22:57.000 And you see how bad it gets when you look at what Matt's talking about in the UK. 0.83

00:23:00.360 Okay, yes, a Sudanese man tried to behead somebody with a butter knife.

00:23:03.380 I mean, we'll have to ask Jasmine Crockett if that is an actual weapon or not.

00:23:06.580 But he tried to behead somebody with a pocket knife, right? 0.93

00:23:10.380 And people are burning houses with people inside because they're immigrants. 1.00

00:23:14.540 One, two wrongs don't make a right. 1.00

00:23:16.000 Two rights make an airplane.

00:23:17.220 But this is what they want.

00:23:18.980 They want us to come at each other because guess what?

00:23:20.800 When we're fighting each other, we're not sitting back and going, wait a second.

00:23:24.060 This government that has taxed me to oblivion, put our farmers out of business,

00:23:28.060 that has restricted our right to speak.

00:23:30.380 They're the enemy.

00:23:31.320 But no, no, no, no.

00:23:31.860 Let's not pay attention to them.

00:23:33.140 Let's start fighting each other on these social issues 0.91

00:23:35.740 and these racial issues. 1.00

00:23:37.180 Dude, it is all by design, I believe. 0.97

00:23:39.240 But your feelings are legitimate.

00:23:40.720 But that is the point.

00:23:41.700 They want you to feel this way.

00:23:42.840 I'm not taking the bait.

00:23:45.220 I completely agree that it is by design.

00:23:48.480 And the problem is that it's working.

00:23:51.060 They have these coalitions that are growing

00:23:53.740 in violence against one side.

00:23:56.620 Facebook.

00:23:57.140 did they instituted a program to target hate speech and violent speech and racism on their

00:24:03.820 platform and what they found is 90 percent of the hate speech on the platform was against white

00:24:09.860 people there was an ai program that was instituted across several universities that was designed to

00:24:14.980 catch hate speech and stuff like that and they found the most racist incidents were against

00:24:19.420 white people from my from so-called minorities so this isn't something that i'm just imagining

00:24:24.460 No, no, you're 100% correct. This is true. My daughter will go to school, and because she's white, other children of different ethnicities will come up to her and be like, oh, you can't talk to her. She's white. The racism against white people is a real thing. 0.68

00:24:37.600 And that's my point, and that needs to be addressed.

00:24:39.360 Yes, but who is responsible for that?

00:24:40.960 Well, and that, again, that needs to be addressed as well.

00:24:43.340 Well, we're trying to.

00:24:43.900 All these need to be tackled.

00:24:44.800 That's what school choice in places like Florida is there to combat.

00:24:47.940 It's only in these blue states like California.

00:24:49.580 They don't want you to be able to take your kid out of the government institutions of indoctrination

00:24:53.580 and actually educate them that it's not the way to do things.

00:24:56.220 We have social media platforms that are purposely manipulating who chooses the algorithms

00:25:00.200 that showcase people being racist against whites.

00:25:02.980 We can't tackle this unless we address it.

00:25:04.980 Well, we are addressing it, but the way to address it by isn't getting into the fray.

00:25:08.160 The way to address it is legislatively, and the way to address it is through regulation.

00:25:12.440 And I'm not a regulation guy.

00:25:13.760 We've talked about this on the show, but when platforms are allowed to design their algorithms to highlight certain speech and certain speech is hate and certain speech isn't, I think the FCC needs to take a look at that.

00:25:22.980 I think we need to take a look at those regulations.

00:25:24.320 The way to address this is to have judges who actually do their freaking jobs, who actually put these people away, have long sentences for these violent offenders.

00:25:31.920 Don't let them out 10, 20, 30 times, you know? 0.53

00:25:34.840 That's insane that that happens.

00:25:35.840 Arguably, Carmelo Anthony, you know, you talked about the sentence.

00:25:38.300 You want him to have the death penalty.

00:25:39.620 Yeah.

00:25:39.860 I would argue that the sentence he got was probably lighter because of the racial sensitivities surrounding the case.

00:25:45.640 You know, Jasmine Crockett said if it was a white kid that stabbed a black kid, he wouldn't have even gone to jail.

00:25:52.020 I'd argue if it was a white kid that stabbed a black kid, I think he would have gotten life in jail.

00:25:56.780 I think the racial sensitivities around this case actually gave him a softer sentence.

00:26:00.120 We saw what happened to Derek Chauvin.

00:26:01.420 The prosecutor even thought so, that he got a sentence that was more...

00:26:05.500 Yeah, absolutely. Of course he would have.

00:26:07.080 Like I said, Derek Chauvin, perfect case of what would have happened.

00:26:11.540 Matt, what's your take?

00:26:12.740 Sorry, I wish you were here.

00:26:13.560 It would be easier to include you in these conversations.

00:26:15.960 He's like the Wizard of Oz.

00:26:16.980 He's back there.

00:26:17.740 I look at his judgmental gaze, and I'm like, is he agreeing or disagreeing?

00:26:21.520 I'm loving this.

00:26:23.340 I'm loving this.

00:26:24.780 I love fired up Pollock, man.

00:26:27.240 He is laying the lumber down.

00:26:29.400 You know what?

00:26:31.180 I don't obsess about these race questions, and maybe I'm like old-fashioned,

00:26:36.220 But, you know, my parents taught me you treat everybody based on the content of the character, you know, to follow that much, much repeated phrase from Dr. Martin Luther King.

00:26:49.280 And then it got weird where if you said you were colorblind, you weren't interested in people's race, you just wanted to evaluate merit, that somehow that made you a racist.

00:26:58.800 That was a very strange time for me because I always thought that merit should be defended and that merit should be the system that advances our country.

00:27:07.360 And what I really wonder about all this, you know, we saw these executive orders from President Trump around the critical race theory, around the DEI, that kind of underpins the sensitivities that all of you are critiquing right now.

00:27:22.020 And you saw corporate America change.

00:27:25.100 You saw the military change very quickly.

00:27:28.100 And I wonder if that goes back.

00:27:30.500 In a world where Trump isn't the president anymore and you had a president, Gavin Newsom, or a president, AOC, do you think it's just as easy for those groups to get their DEI entities formed?

00:27:43.020 Or after they dissolved that stuff, did we reach a cultural reckoning on this where we can move on?

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00:28:20.200 No, I don't think so. 0.96

00:28:21.440 these people you have gay race communists in charge and just because you've got president 0.93

00:28:28.120 trump holding back the the floodgates on all of this doesn't mean that those they're i mean 1.00

00:28:33.740 they're crazy these people are crazy so it's coming back they're you're saying it's coming 0.98

00:28:38.260 back they're on we have to be ready they're on the fringe they're not they didn't just disappear 0.98

00:28:42.200 they didn't just stop you know trump's in like oh i guess we don't believe in this stuff anymore

00:28:46.080 let's go do something else no they're still there and when you know when republicans don't have the

00:28:50.560 reigns anymore it's coming back full force baby this this movement i'd love to believe it woke

00:28:54.900 is dead is not the case like we've killed common sense people the normies have killed a bunch of 0.95

00:29:00.040 stuff that just is absolutely retarded but when the reins are in the other hand it's going to 0.99

00:29:05.200 come back again because these people aren't going to stop they're still crazy they were crazy then 0.99

00:29:09.000 and they're crazy today well there's proof that they're actually crazier um you look at the 0.92

00:29:12.960 democratic i'll give you three examples three democrat candidates the guy wiener who's replacing 0.63

00:29:18.460 the answer to the person they named for that guy then you look at the guy who's who's running

00:29:21.880 against paxton in texas then you look at the uh the uh guy who just won the main senate uh democratic

00:29:28.860 nomination a guy with a nazi tattoo on his chest yeah so when you when you have when you look at

00:29:34.140 who the democrats are putting up as their moderate options in the midterm elections they've gone even

00:29:39.280 further to left and case in point this well and i also want to point out you know they grant

00:29:43.720 platner they elected a guy with a nazi tattoo well that makes sense the leftists were always

00:29:48.040 the nazis from the beginning they're two sides well anyway yes but right but the other side of

00:29:54.360 this is and he's also anti-semitic and all kinds of issues but the other side of this is this the

00:29:58.500 democratic socialists of america and you need to pay close attention to the democratic socialists

00:30:02.240 of america because not only are they they're not only are they in charge of new york city now

00:30:07.400 nitya raman yep she was backed by the democrat socialists of america the lady who all of a

00:30:13.400 sudden they found 47 000 votes out of nowhere to go in one direction and get rid of spencer

00:30:17.920 Pratt now we have somebody and I promise you if this primary election result is allowed to stand

00:30:22.820 in California Nithya Raman will be the next mayor of Los Angeles because it's by design because once

00:30:28.860 she becomes mayor and once Zora Mandami is mayor that's who they run in 2028 they're normalizing

00:30:34.320 communism and they're doubling down so we will go we will look back on the days of DEI and we will

00:30:40.080 wish we could go back to the good old days because it is going to get much worse much worse that's my

00:30:44.860 opinion matt as a 2028 presidential candidate that's it nithya raman 2028 is going to be like

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00:31:05.520 because he's not uh he's not an actually born citizen but i do think that looking at this

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00:32:21.120 We actually have an opening for two different stories here, but I'd like to jump in on your

00:32:26.440 gold read right there because we have inflation. We have an inflation story.

00:32:32.040 It's a good hedge against inflation.

00:32:33.680 It is, yeah.

00:32:34.340 Yeah, so inflation was up big time in May, 4.5%.

00:32:40.100 I think it was 4.2%, which is just insane.

00:32:44.080 And the thing, I know, you just want to defend that no matter what.

00:32:48.580 It's fake news.

00:32:50.100 Okay, it doesn't feel like it when I go to the store.

00:32:53.160 But energy, energy was 60% of driving inflation.

00:32:57.560 I mean, energy usually is what does that, oil, gas, all that kind of stuff that we have to pay for

00:33:01.180 because it affects everything down the pipeline.

00:33:03.600 Food and clothing and everything that we buy is affected by energy.

00:33:06.860 And that was 60%.

00:33:07.720 And that is directly, directly caused by the Iran conflict. 0.68

00:33:12.080 100%.

00:33:12.560 So, Mr. Defender of the Faith, what's your take on that?

00:33:17.320 I mean, normal inflation, like what an economist would tell you is healthy inflation, is 2%.

00:33:24.320 The actual inflation is closer to 2.9% when you subtract out this bogus energy inflation.

00:33:30.920 Yes, energy is up.

00:33:32.120 It is a temporary situation with respect to Iran.

00:33:36.100 But overall, inflation isn't over 4%.

00:33:39.020 It's really 2.9% when you would take out the energy inflation.

00:33:42.260 So that's a closer to a healthy number.

00:33:43.560 It's still higher.

00:33:44.440 That's huge. 0.93

00:33:45.220 And I want to point out 2%, 4%.

00:33:47.520 Energy was up 23% from last year.

00:33:52.100 That's not 2 or 4.

00:33:53.200 That's 23%.

00:33:54.060 That's massive.

00:33:54.800 And that affects everything.

00:33:55.800 Well, gas prices are only up 7%, though.

00:33:57.440 Well, fuel surge, 58%, almost 59% over the same time period.

00:34:03.560 Okay.

00:34:04.220 That's huge. 0.90

00:34:04.620 So we should just let Iran get a nuclear bomb so we can all pay less money and get inflation under 1%.

00:34:09.340 Well, that's the core of our difference here is I don't think that was ever going to happen.

00:34:11.920 I don't think that was ever an issue.

00:34:13.020 I mean, there's mountains.

00:34:14.540 Tulsi Gabbard.

00:34:15.180 There's mountains of evidence suggesting otherwise.

00:34:17.100 Tulsi Gabbard came out and said that was not going to happen.

00:34:18.660 She said we completely decimated their ability.

00:34:20.660 She said that last year when we dropped the bombs.

00:34:22.620 She said that again this year.

00:34:24.660 But the nuclear material is still there under the mountains.

00:34:26.500 They've got to get it out.

00:34:27.060 Is it, though?

00:34:27.860 Oh, yeah.

00:34:28.420 Is it?

00:34:28.880 Nuclear dust. 0.91

00:34:30.040 Just like it was in Iraq? 0.84

00:34:31.260 Does that mean we have to go?

00:34:32.660 Wait, hold on.

00:34:33.340 Hold on.

00:34:34.340 Hold on.

00:34:34.840 Hold on.

00:34:35.080 If the nuclear material is in the mountains, does that mean this war can't end and Pearson

00:34:40.120 has to keep paying more for gas until we go into the mountains or Iran voluntarily gives

00:34:45.420 it up?

00:34:45.920 Is that what we're in for on this thing?

00:34:48.320 Because I think that the economic numbers that you guys are talking about essentially

00:34:53.460 prove Trump's theory of the economic case.

00:34:57.060 Trump said in the debates, he said on the campaign trail, that if he did supply-side shock in energy, it would bring down prices across the board.

00:35:05.540 And you saw that inflation curve bending down hard right alongside the cheaper fuel that was available.

00:35:12.680 And so if the question is, how long should we pay for this until Iran gets a nuclear weapon? 0.63

00:35:17.540 One, I believe that their nuclear program was obliterated during the 12-day war. 0.72

00:35:22.820 And two, what are they going to do?

00:35:24.860 Throw it at us?

00:35:26.660 Like, what are they going to do with this nuclear material? 0.99

00:35:29.180 Like, OK, dirty bomb.

00:35:31.160 The dirty bomb thing is real and it's important.

00:35:33.220 And that's why we have to be resilient here at home.

00:35:36.020 And I'm all for building that resilience. 0.95

00:35:38.500 But frankly, you could get a dirty bomb from North Korea. 0.61

00:35:41.780 You could get a dirty bomb from fissile material out of Pakistan or any number of places. 0.97

00:35:46.000 So we definitely have to be focused on the dirty bomb thing. 0.85

00:35:48.320 But the missile program that Iran was developing to be intercontinental was abandoned. 0.66

00:35:54.940 like eight, nine years ago. And the hardest thing for an intercontinental threat of a nuclear weapon

00:36:02.700 is the re-entry vehicle. It's kind of the last thing that North Korea hasn't figured out yet.

00:36:08.380 North Korea has the weapons grade plutonium and uranium. They have the missile launch capability.

00:36:14.600 Iran doesn't even have that. But what they haven't figured out yet in North Korea is how to get that

00:36:20.120 warhead back through the atmosphere to hit a target. So if we've got to decide who to invade,

00:36:26.660 David, do you think we should invade North Korea? Well, no, because North, well, look, 0.99

00:36:33.280 North Korea, well, it's complicated. So I'm trying to be thoughtful in my answer because

00:36:37.920 Iran has already exhibited their interest in one, attacking the United States. 0.99

00:36:43.220 So it's North Korea. Well, when did North Korea ever attack our military bases? When has North 0.57

00:36:47.740 korea ever sent people through our southern border to deliver terror cells into the united 0.50

00:36:52.940 states what is north does north korea have terror cells in venezuela and cuba north korea is not 0.74

00:36:57.680 nearly the threat that iran poses and iran is showing how much of a threat they are every

00:37:02.340 single day when we're in these quote-unquote ceasefire talks they're sending missiles and 0.60

00:37:06.860 drones into israel when when we they shoot down one of our apache helicopters and we retaliate

00:37:12.020 what do they do they send missiles and drones that are allies in our military bases they are 0.97

00:37:17.160 a bad actor houthis are attacking israel why because iran is backing them iran is a pain in 0.93

00:37:23.980 everybody's butt in that region and if they had nuclear material you better believe they would 0.95

00:37:28.420 use it for a dirty bomb way before anything you would get from north korea there's a difference 0.99

00:37:32.500 north korea is isolated iran they're everywhere they're like the texas screw worm they need to 0.82

00:37:37.440 be contained and and honestly i think this policy is the containment policy because if president 0.78

00:37:42.880 trump doesn't do it and if god forbid a democrat gets elected in 2028 maybe it's nitya raman the

00:37:48.800 first thing they're gonna do is ship a pallet of cash right back to iran and say we are so sorry

00:37:54.660 let's make a deal and they'll be like yes this is a great deal and then we'll be right back to where

00:37:58.320 we started terror proxies the wars in the middle east i think we have a real opportunity here and

00:38:02.940 i think the short-term pain in gas prices is a reasonable price for us to pay in order to

00:38:07.500 eliminate the world's largest sponsor of terror arguably okay we'll say arguably because people

00:38:11.540 won't agree but arguably one of the worst actors uh on the planet that's my take that's david

00:38:16.520 pollock's take that's like the putin tax you're you're prepared to pay the putin tax what's the

00:38:21.280 putin tax that was you know a couple years ago when when biden attacked russia through ukraine

00:38:26.640 you know and gas prices skyrocketed they called it the putin tax you know we're defending democracy

00:38:32.020 so it's worth it to pay the prices no because i i don't think attacking russia is in america's

00:38:36.120 best interest attacking uran is matt matt this is like matt territory right here i would like a deal

00:38:45.820 yeah i would like a deal i think that president trump wants a deal frankly i think we would

00:38:50.860 already have a deal if it wasn't for israel and you know why you said something i i want to

00:38:55.060 highlight you said well our policy is containment and i think that's right i think that's true

00:38:59.560 the reason the war is not over is that that's not israel's policy israel's policy is regime change

00:39:06.860 And that's not ours.

00:39:08.440 For all the reasons you just described, containment is an understandable policy towards Iran. 0.75

00:39:16.000 But our containment of Russia ultimately was very provoking. 0.68

00:39:21.340 We had NATO bases around them so much that they attacked Ukraine.

00:39:24.920 I believe that but for NATO expansion, we would have a lot more peace right now in Europe. 0.57

00:39:30.880 And when you talk about the Houthis attacking, like the Houthis were not attacking Israel before Israel attacked Iran. 0.77

00:39:39.160 The Houthis are now going to close the passageway for Israel in and out of the Red Sea. 0.68

00:39:46.320 They're going to do that. 0.93

00:39:47.080 They've showed that denial capability in the past.

00:39:50.080 And they're in the fight because of this broader conflict, which, look, I mean, I know what I saw when I was a member of the Armed Services Committee.

00:40:00.480 and iran is a bad actor and they create trouble in multiple domains right not just in shipping

00:40:07.140 in cyberspace uh at the strategic level they're a bad actor but the question is what's the way

00:40:14.280 to deal with them like if if what's being contemplated now is we're going to go bomb

00:40:19.460 the energy uh infrastructure and the bridges do we think that's going to bring them to the

00:40:26.080 negotiating table? What is our basis for that belief? I don't know that it's reality.

00:40:34.780 But Pearson, my point is this. As we've been attacking Iran, their position is only hardened. 0.87

00:40:41.580 Their position is only hardened. And so maybe like, I'm a cheerleader for peace because I don't 0.92

00:40:48.180 think there's any evidence to suggest that more war is going to make Iran say, you know what,

00:40:53.820 here's the uranium here are the straits and don't send us any of our frozen assets i don't think

00:41:00.300 that's going to happen so the question is then in this situation is israel the carmelo anthony

00:41:06.020 that's a hot explain oh sharp one well you know they're jumping in they're provoking this

00:41:15.740 they're they're saying it's in self-defense when all evidence points to the fact that they're

00:41:20.520 attacking everybody and it's you know retaliation so october 7th that that you just made this

00:41:26.540 argument that austin metcalf leaned onto the knife on october 7th they invaded israel i'm talking

00:41:31.860 about october 7th yeah but that's what led to all of this but wait hold on hold on hold on hold on

00:41:37.120 is leaning on the knife the same thing as bb netanyahu putting in writing to the qataris

00:41:41.800 that he wanted them to give hamas 30 million dollars a month that's sort of the leading

00:41:46.360 into the life metaphor.

00:41:48.000 The argument there is that money was supposed to go to aid.

00:41:50.900 I mean, and this is the problem with aid.

00:41:52.380 You never know who that money goes to. 0.86

00:41:53.760 Yeah, because everybody gets that's what Hamas does

00:41:57.080 with $30 million a month.

00:41:58.620 I mean, who couldn't trust Hamas? 0.95

00:41:59.740 They regularly manipulate aid and use it for them. 0.96

00:42:02.060 But that's why they were such a bit of a dart to do it to begin with.

00:42:05.340 But the people of Gaza needed that aid,

00:42:07.380 and how are you going to get it in there?

00:42:08.500 So maybe using a third-party proxy like Qatar,

00:42:11.740 maybe that's a better way to get it there than rather.

00:42:13.620 Look, there's arguments to be made on both sides.

00:42:14.980 That was the cash part, dude.

00:42:16.360 that wasn't the food. That was the cash. $30 million a month in cash. Qatar and those Gulf

00:42:22.720 Arab monarchies, they do their own thing on the food aid and everything. Bibi wanted the Hamas 1.00

00:42:27.800 leadership flushed with cash because he didn't want somebody else other than Hamas to take over

00:42:31.520 Gaza. The real threat to Bibi is that somebody that was quite serious would take over Gaza

00:42:36.160 and that it wouldn't be the failed state that he wants it to be. Bibi wants the Middle East

00:42:41.580 to be either supplicants or failed states. 0.97

00:42:44.640 That's why these wars are happening.

00:42:46.260 That's why the campaign in Lebanon and Gaza are happening.

00:42:50.080 Well, it's to make the, you know, people make that argument.

00:42:53.840 You're welcome to. 0.98

00:42:54.520 The argument I'm making is he wants to be surrounded by supplicant neighbors 1.00

00:42:58.020 or neighbors that look a lot like Yemen. 1.00

00:43:00.300 And I think that's actually bad for America.

00:43:03.000 It's why Vice President Vance said this week that America's interests

00:43:06.460 and Israel's interests are divergent.

00:43:08.020 But I just bristle when everyone says this whole war is Israel's self-defense for October 7th because it was indeed Netanyahu who wanted to keep Hamas in power for his own political domestic interests. 0.75

00:43:21.920 And in doing so, I think Bibi Netanyahu was one of the greatest contributors to October 7th.

00:43:27.740 And on that topic, I want to segue a little bit, because we're talking about Israel.

00:43:32.820 The Trump administration is reportedly alarmed by Israel spying getting too close to Iran negotiations.

00:43:39.660 And I'll just read a little bit here.

00:43:41.020 Trump administration's Department of War is expressing concern that Israel is spying on the U.S.,

00:43:45.900 including on its negotiations to end the war, according to multiple reports.

00:43:50.440 This is from the Daily Caller.

00:43:51.880 The Pentagon is ramping up its responses to alleged Israeli espionage,

00:43:56.060 including recently raising the country's counterintelligence threat level to critical, according to NBC on Friday.

00:44:03.400 U.S. intelligence reports indicate Israel has made efforts to listen in on conversations involving senior U.S. officials,

00:44:09.620 such as Special Envoy Steve Whitcoff.

00:44:12.280 And we had Joe Kent saying that this is not standard practice,

00:44:17.220 especially considering the fact that Israel survives on our defense funding and diplomatic top cover. 0.95

00:44:22.120 Until we actually take away the support we give Israel, they will keep playing us as fools. 0.94

00:44:26.780 Matt, what's your take?

00:44:31.020 All countries spy on each other, but maybe Israel should spy on us less given how much money we give them.

00:44:39.560 I don't think it makes me a bad guy to suggest that people that we give a bunch of money to shouldn't turn around and spy on us.

00:44:48.780 and even outside of this report. When I was in Congress, we were constantly briefed about this

00:44:56.460 threat, what the Mossad was up to here in the United States of America. When I was in Israel,

00:45:03.920 one time I returned unexpectedly to my room and somebody was there going through my stuff

00:45:07.840 when I was there on a congressional trip. And so I think that this is part of the game.

00:45:13.740 It's a very unfortunate part of the game. And here's what people should also realize.

00:45:18.780 When Israel gets the information that they've acquired through some of this intelligence

00:45:22.840 collection, they don't just keep it.

00:45:25.520 Because there might be people who watch this and say, so what that Israel spies on us?

00:45:29.080 They're our ally.

00:45:30.220 It's like you knowing what your friend is having for dinner.

00:45:32.740 You're not going to poison him as your friend. 0.64

00:45:35.220 But Israel regularly transacts that information to our enemies for things that benefit them. 0.81

00:45:43.280 So Israel can always be counted on to act in their own best interest. 0.62

00:45:47.460 But that's not always as America's greatest ally. And I think this report indicates that it should also be noted, Pearson.

00:45:54.900 The White House put out an official statement saying that the story was false. And so the truth may lie somewhere in the middle.

00:46:02.520 I also want to before I get your reaction, I want to add that John Kierakau, the former CIA guy who we've had on the show, he said he was asked if the U.S. spies on Israel.

00:46:12.480 And he said, no, absolutely not.

00:46:15.360 And that is written in stone at the CIA.

00:46:18.620 We do not spy on Israel, but they openly spy on us.

00:46:21.940 They are all over our country stealing defense secrets.

00:46:25.940 I mean, I'm not ever going to disagree with the CIA guy, but that's not true. 0.65

00:46:30.500 We spy on Israel. Israel spies on us.

00:46:32.620 Yeah, that's not true. We spy on Israel.

00:46:34.940 And we spy on everybody.

00:46:36.360 And to your point, Matt, Israel is always looking out for Israel's interests.

00:46:40.220 Of course they will.

00:46:41.340 That's their interest.

00:46:43.380 Just like the United States is going to look out for the United States' interest. 0.54

00:46:46.580 And nowhere has that been more on display than sort of the end phases of this Iran war. 0.72

00:46:51.300 Israel wants one outcome. 0.55

00:46:52.740 The United States wants another.

00:46:54.020 And there has been a little tug of war there.

00:46:55.780 And that's what it should be.

00:46:57.140 Like, Israel should want what's best for Israel.

00:46:59.360 United States should want what's best for the United States.

00:47:02.260 This idea that this is critical level because, and like Matt said, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

00:47:06.800 of course this would be a critical level of awareness for spying because of the times we're

00:47:12.700 in right now and because we're negotiation. Israel's very interested to know what deals

00:47:16.540 we're making with Iran. So of course you're going to want your people to be a little bit more secure.

00:47:20.960 But the greatest ally, I think, just because somebody, we all spy on each other, it doesn't

00:47:25.260 make them not our ally, right? I mean, we don't have any real friends. No, it's that they spy on

00:47:29.920 us and take our money. No, that's my right. Well, if they don't take our money, we give them our

00:47:34.980 money don't take our money they don't take it we give them yeah we give them our money

00:47:39.020 there's a different well well congressman congressman with american and israeli passports

00:47:44.460 signed bills to give them our money we still give it to him that you were saying okay so david are

00:47:51.660 you good with it yeah my question to you is are you good with that like to my answer is i'm not

00:47:55.640 okay with it i think it's bad and i think it's bad because a a client state of ours should not

00:48:01.660 treat us that way it sounds like what you're saying is you're good if they look if they look

00:48:06.600 under the kimono i know is that is that the correct understanding of your argument i don't

00:48:10.800 want anybody spying just like but you know what i have blinds on my window because i don't want

00:48:15.200 people looking in at night i mean you have to assume that at some point somebody even if it's

00:48:20.700 my neighbor who brings me cookies and we get along great if my windows are open and i'm like

00:48:24.500 without a shirt on they might be like oh david standing without a shirt on a different no it's

00:48:28.380 not. It's the same thing. Because this is Israel standing at the window with binoculars trying to

00:48:32.620 get a peek inside. Put your blinds down. The United States understands that everybody wants to know 0.92

00:48:37.640 what the United States is doing. We take extreme measures to protect our secrets, right? And so

00:48:44.220 at the end of the day, we all expect people to spy on us. Now, whether or not we should send

00:48:49.240 them money, that is a perfectly legitimate policy question, not just for Israel, but for Ukraine

00:48:54.460 And for any other nation we give foreign aid to, I think there's nothing wrong with evaluating foreign aid, taking a deep dive, auditing it and saying, hey, are we actually getting – is the American people getting value to sending their tax dollars to another country or would the American people's tax dollars be better served spending it in some other way?

00:49:11.540 I have no problem with that sort of analysis.

00:49:13.940 And spying has no calculus on that, whether or not we don't expect just because we give you foreign aid that you're going to turn around and be like, yeah, I'd love to look through your window, but I'm not going to look.

00:49:25.440 I'm not going to look.

00:49:25.880 I'm not going to look.

00:49:26.360 You give me money.

00:49:27.160 I just think we need to be realistic.

00:49:28.920 Everybody's going to want to know your secrets.

00:49:30.360 It's the world we live in.

00:49:31.160 Okay.

00:49:32.000 I'm going to set this aside because there is a story that I know that Matt is dying to talk about, and we're getting short on time.

00:49:38.660 Gold?

00:49:38.800 We have golfers in L.A. hitting buildings.

00:49:42.800 buildings i don't know anything about this matt can you tell us what this is all about

00:49:45.920 play the clip and through the magic of

00:50:12.800 good shot pot shelf

00:50:18.060 sounds like a gunshot well okay okay this clip is my evidence fellas that youtubers are ruining

00:50:28.900 the world because this is a youtube phenomenon where these guys go and play golf you got golf

00:50:35.160 balls flying through people's backyards urban neighborhoods breaking windows because it's this

00:50:40.620 YouTube trend. We've had YouTubers like staying at theme parks overnight in like porta potties

00:50:47.860 to gain followers. We see YouTubers doing all kinds of crazy things on the road,

00:50:53.200 unsafe for them, unsafe for others. Some even facing charges as a result of it. So

00:50:58.320 if you are a YouTuber, like just the fact that you are doing it for the sake of views

00:51:03.680 does not mean it is okay. And I am over the YouTuber immunity. These people should face

00:51:09.420 consequences for the damage they're doing you're awful fired up about this story matt it seems like

00:51:14.040 it's personal i i agree with matt i mean look social media has ruined society um but that being

00:51:21.420 said there's i have two feelings about this i have mixed emotions about this one i mean they

00:51:26.800 are committing vandalism arguably and there are crimes and you couldn't force those crimes it's

00:51:30.940 in california it's in la so this group is from la they have you know an instagram account i think

00:51:35.500 they're like urban golfers or something like that and it doesn't matter no i don't want to drive

00:51:38.460 traffic to their account. So it doesn't matter what their name is. But the idea is there's no

00:51:42.680 law enforcement. I mean, obviously their faces are there. You can identify them and you can arrest

00:51:46.680 them, but they're not doing that. So yes, they're committing vandalism. There are laws that says

00:51:51.160 you can't hit golf balls at buildings and break windows. Now that being said, the 23 year old in

00:51:56.420 me, right? Like when I was in college, if I was in an urban area, I can actually resist the dark

00:52:04.560 I can actually go, okay, maybe I had one too many beers and this seemed like a really good idea.

00:52:09.880 You have to resist the dark voices.

00:52:10.800 And the thing is, before the age of YouTube, I wouldn't have got these ideas because, you know, all I had was Grand Theft Auto and Bullwinkles.

00:52:18.380 Like, I didn't have these great ideas. 0.99

00:52:20.460 So the problem with the internet generation is that there's a lot more bad ideas for young, stupid people to do. 0.99

00:52:28.300 And so, you know, I understand where they're coming from. 1.00

00:52:30.900 I think it's terrible.

00:52:31.700 I think there should be consequences.

00:52:33.560 we have law enforcement for a reason but at the same time it is entertaining

00:52:37.500 property damage is worth it as long as it's entertaining it's not but

00:52:43.080 matt you want to close anything out anything else to add

00:52:48.060 brother thank you i i having you or wait is this our last topic are we done yeah well we're at 52

00:52:56.800 right now so we can i'm happy to keep going but we want to wrap all right well no i i i i know

00:53:03.180 through the magic of television this is our time i will say uh thank you i i clearly after having

00:53:08.200 listened to you two from afar know that me hosting the anchorman podcast is the worst part about the

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - June 11, 2026

The Anchormen Show EP 135 - RACIAL ANIMUS HIJACKS JUSTICE

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