The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 143 - MK-ULTRA

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp

00:00:11.200 welcome back to the anchorman show i'm matt gates here with the terrific on-air talent and

00:00:19.520 investigative reporting analysis opinion team at one american news my frequent co-host my buddy

00:00:26.740 pearson sharp pearson thanks for being here and the guy i get to hand the wheel to now every night

00:00:31.960 at 10 p.m for david pollack primetime david pollack david i'm so excited it's going to be great uh

00:00:38.580 having you right there chasing the matt gates show everybody's favorite 9 p.m opportunity for

00:00:43.880 a little look at the news of the day and pearson thanks so much for guest hosting i really appreciate

00:00:48.440 that my pleasure i i now know he gets those for me too yeah i now know i am at best the second

00:00:54.160 best host of the Matt Gaetz show after watching Pearson do such a terrific job uh no but the

00:00:59.300 audience loves it when you do it my only gripe with Pearson is that he will not guest host

00:01:05.400 multiple days in a row because he is an artist and he we he's he's put so much attention into

00:01:11.640 every script and every research project that like he's not after this last experience I think I'd

00:01:18.240 be more comfortable uh doing that you know working with your team and just being thrown into the fire

00:01:23.260 I think I might be.

00:01:24.120 You like writing.

00:01:25.080 You really like the reading.

00:01:25.960 Well, I do.

00:01:26.520 I think that's what my audience loves,

00:01:28.900 the extended review of a topic,

00:01:32.680 the deep research, and you bring it.

00:01:34.160 The problem is I get so into the topic that I'm working on

00:01:37.720 that my monologue is nine-tenths of the segment,

00:01:40.500 and I have like four minutes left for the guest.

00:01:42.920 That's okay.

00:01:43.580 And it's like the guest never gets to talk.

00:01:45.040 I felt that guilt originally,

00:01:46.720 and our terrific director, Jared Buckwood,

00:01:48.420 said they don't call it the Matt Guest Show.

00:01:50.480 Right.

00:01:50.740 Well, that's true.

00:01:51.500 I mean, that is true.

00:01:52.920 But still, you get someone great like a congressman to come on, and he's there for like four minutes and two questions, and it's like, okay, thanks.

00:01:59.340 I'm sure a congressman appreciates that.

00:02:00.180 How do you, David, on your show, you bring this great set of experiences as an activist, as somebody who's built a digital profile,

00:02:09.500 bringing together kind of the influencer ecosystem that was a huge driver of success for Republicans.

00:02:15.580 You're kind of an outgrowth of that very 2024 energy of politics.

00:02:21.000 When you look at these segments, you've been getting terrific senators like our own Senator Rick Scott on your program.

00:02:29.440 You had the former Prime Minister of the UK on your program.

00:02:33.320 When you think about allocating that time you have with the audience, what's your anchorman take on it?

00:02:39.100 Honestly, it depends on the conversation.

00:02:42.260 I could have President Trump on if the conversation gets old.

00:02:45.860 Well, thanks for coming, President Trump.

00:02:47.660 It's really just about—

00:02:48.700 It would never happen.

00:02:49.500 No, it never, ever would happen.

00:02:51.200 I'm just saying it's like, I was talking about this on my team today.

00:02:54.220 Like, how long do you want to do these interview segments?

00:02:56.320 I'm like, as long as it takes.

00:02:57.840 Because, you know, like you and I yesterday during that MKUltra segment,

00:03:01.140 if you guys haven't watched the MKUltra segment that Matt and I did, amazing.

00:03:05.400 I watched it last night.

00:03:06.740 I'm watching my own show, and I made the show, right?

00:03:08.440 Like Pee Wee Herman's Big Adventure.

00:03:09.620 I lived it, Dottie, you know?

00:03:11.500 But I'm watching it.

00:03:12.760 I'm so compelled with what we were talking about because in the moment,

00:03:15.660 I couldn't quite even absorb what we were saying.

00:03:17.640 And watching it again, I'm like, this is shocking.

00:03:19.500 And sometimes those conversations, they have to breathe and they take time, like fine wine.

00:03:23.500 And so some interviews are longer, some are shorter.

00:03:25.400 And I think the guest understands.

00:03:27.060 I mean, if the guest has a lot to say on it and they're saying good stuff, I keep them.

00:03:30.100 And if they don't, we don't.

00:03:31.240 And if we're running out of time, I usually cut my monologues.

00:03:33.740 This is a secret.

00:03:34.680 I'll cut my monologues if I had a really good conversation with a guest in post.

00:03:38.460 Oh, wow.

00:03:39.040 Yeah.

00:03:39.400 Well, I did hear from your team that you typically go like nine minutes over.

00:03:43.280 Listen, when you're making art.

00:03:45.260 That's right.

00:03:45.940 That's right.

00:03:46.460 And when you're having a great time.

00:03:47.980 Well, we've got a lot to talk about with MKUltra in a bit.

00:03:53.820 But first, RIP to the MOU. 0.84

00:03:56.400 This is the week that the United States re-engages with kinetic conflict with Iran. 0.63

00:04:02.300 Over 80 strikes in the initial salvo.

00:04:05.180 I don't know, man. I've been cheerleading the MOU.

00:04:07.300 I am for peace, and I thought that the MOU was the cheapest way to get it.

00:04:12.700 So buy or sell, Pearson Sharp, the deal that America ultimately has to strike now is worse than the MOU would have been.

00:04:24.680 Yeah, most likely.

00:04:25.860 You buy that.

00:04:26.900 You think the deal we're going to have to strike is going to be worse than the MOU?

00:04:30.060 Well, the longer this goes on, the worse it gets.

00:04:32.840 So the more damage we take as it goes.

00:04:34.660 Gas prices are already going back up.

00:04:36.160 Inflation is already going back up.

00:04:37.720 Stocks are getting hurt again.

00:04:38.720 Not that we really care about that.

00:04:39.760 But, you know, people are not happy about this and it's we're closer and closer and closer to November.

00:04:44.780 So all this is bad news. And I wonder if that's Iran's objective. 1.00

00:04:47.500 Just, you know, keep prolonging this because it's going to hurt us more than it's going to hurt them in the long run. 0.71

00:04:51.940 They can they can probably survive. 0.81

00:04:53.640 Do you do you rest the responsibility for this reigniting of hostilities with Iran?

00:04:59.660 Oh, yeah. You think it's their fault? 0.89

00:05:01.400 Absolutely. I mean, they've been how many people have they bombed the last couple of weeks since this was announced?

00:05:05.000 it's like well i mean they would say that the mou required a cessation of hostilities in lebanon

00:05:12.460 and that just never ended and so they weren't going to do their part of the deal if there

00:05:17.820 wasn't a cessation of i mean i'm sure there's there there are provocations and yeah i do blame

00:05:21.560 israel for some of that okay so you you at least accept a comparative negligence yeah uh allocation

00:05:28.640 here i know you're not happy about that no i just don't like you brought comparative negligence i

00:05:32.420 said trauma i just i think i think trump i know we're going to disagree on this um but i think

00:05:37.880 trump needs to go pedal to the metal with this like he said he's sick of these people they are

00:05:42.840 what does that mean what does pedal to the metal mean that means make it so unbearable for iran

00:05:47.740 that they have to come to the table okay but be specific do we nuke iran no we don't do you want

00:05:53.220 to bomb their water no famine in iran i know i know you're gonna love this idea okay let's hear

00:05:58.640 But just imagine the spectacle.

00:06:01.800 You know, Trump loves spectacles.

00:06:03.060 Imagine the spectacle where Trump gets a Wheel of Fortune-style wheel

00:06:06.700 and puts a list of all the mosques in Iran on it. 0.67

00:06:09.940 And every time they attack us, spin the wheel, bomb a mosque. 0.92

00:06:13.760 Well, I think there's no doubt that that will vanquish more terrorists than it will create.

00:06:18.500 I mean, you know, when has demolishing religious symbols ever caused a group to not be more compliant and willing to work together?

00:06:27.260 We've got a long list of mosques, man. 0.99

00:06:29.580 We can go longer than they can. 1.00

00:06:31.640 Sure. 1.00

00:06:32.240 And at the end, there'll be no mosques and more terrorists. 1.00

00:06:35.160 Sweet. 1.00

00:06:35.660 That'll be awesome.

00:06:36.620 Are you cheerleading the reigniting of these strikes on David Pollack crime time?

00:06:41.380 I don't think the MOU is necessarily done.

00:06:44.460 Trump said it may.

00:06:45.560 He said it may be done.

00:06:47.060 He never gives up on a deal.

00:06:48.180 He said may.

00:06:49.340 Oh, did I miss something?

00:06:50.780 No, no, no.

00:06:52.120 You're on track.

00:06:52.880 All right.

00:06:53.540 But it's been a day.

00:06:55.260 but he said May

00:06:57.480 and so I think he left the room open

00:06:59.240 Trump keeps doing this and I'm on the fence

00:07:01.320 where this is going to go because he keeps doing

00:07:03.380 this thing like okay well maybe

00:07:05.320 it's over I'm going to bomb you a little bit and threaten

00:07:07.260 to do more and then they come back to the table and he's like nope

00:07:09.160 now we have peace we're good well I think 0.95

00:07:11.360 ceasefires are messy I think ceasefires with Iran 1.00

00:07:13.380 are messy I completely agree with you that 1.00

00:07:15.340 if this MOU doesn't hold

00:07:16.940 this doesn't get any better for the United

00:07:19.420 States it's a key point

00:07:20.880 make it

00:07:22.600 because it only gets worse from here

00:07:25.120 because what are we willing to do?

00:07:26.640 We've already threatened the thing

00:07:28.560 and we didn't do the thing.

00:07:30.120 So now we have to do the thing,

00:07:32.380 which doesn't take us any closer

00:07:34.600 to where we are right now.

00:07:35.600 This MOU is the best out we have. 0.96

00:07:37.920 And I think Iran knows that, 0.97

00:07:39.200 which is why it's not going to work.

00:07:40.200 And so now I feel like we're at a position

00:07:42.580 where unfortunately we have to take this

00:07:45.500 to the next level.

00:07:46.260 I think this meeting, what does that mean?

00:07:48.500 I don't know, honestly.

00:07:49.580 I know.

00:07:50.160 Everyone says this to me.

00:07:50.860 I know. 1.00

00:07:51.240 Okay, are you for like Pearson's mosque wheel of torture? 1.00

00:07:55.120 No, I think we have to start upping the targets. 1.00

00:07:58.380 I think we just...

00:07:59.160 Agreed.

00:07:59.540 Okay, would you target energy infrastructure?

00:08:02.140 I might, maybe.

00:08:02.820 I would take...

00:08:03.040 Would you take out their water?

00:08:04.740 Well, so the question is... 0.98

00:08:06.520 Would you kill the leader again? 0.82

00:08:10.200 I don't want to. 0.69

00:08:10.680 I don't want to do any of that.

00:08:11.860 I would like...

00:08:12.420 But what do you mean when you say dial it up?

00:08:14.560 I think at this point, your only choice, and I hate this because I think this never works,

00:08:20.200 but the only choice from here on out is regime change.

00:08:23.460 unless you have regime change this won't end to what regime change to what to a different

00:08:30.860 government maybe one that's more democratically elected that's oh yes because those are hiding

00:08:35.740 behind every sand dune no i don't think i don't think it works we just we just send the falcon

00:08:40.020 out and they come back with a jeffersonian democracy for a middle eastern country where

00:08:43.760 we just toppled the government so so so matt what is a not stars in your eyes a realistic

00:08:50.120 proposition in your opinion to solving this the mou the mou i'm totally for the mou you think but

00:08:56.260 they're gonna i will be the biggest champion of the mou i mean i had a guest on your on your show 0.81

00:09:00.600 and i was hosting who said they will the iranians are liars to their core they will never abide by

00:09:05.580 any agreement that we ever make with them and two weeks later it's been proven right how has that

00:09:11.100 been proven right all the strikes that they've been launching because there was never a cessation

00:09:16.140 of hostilities in Lebanon, you tell me when there was an actual ceasefire in Lebanon and

00:09:23.160 that would have been a requisite time for Iran to be compliant. But Israel never stopped 0.87

00:09:28.580 mowing down southern Lebanon. An MOU requires both sides to adhere to the terms. Iran was 0.74

00:09:38.980 letting transit through the straits before this war began. Iran had abandoned their

00:09:44.560 Intercontinental Ballistic Missile Program in 2015. 0.98

00:09:48.080 We agree, this shouldn't have started.

00:09:49.260 So I'm just like, I'm trying to understand why it's like, 1.00

00:09:51.680 oh, we could never trust Iran. 0.80

00:09:53.760 Who's the party right now talking about executing the negotiators? 0.96

00:09:57.380 It's on Iran.

00:09:58.760 Well, you know what really should have happened? 0.99

00:10:00.220 I think this is where the war should have ended

00:10:02.620 once the nuclear capabilities were destroyed.

00:10:05.040 If the premise of this was last year before it even happened.

00:10:07.500 But that's what I'm saying.

00:10:08.180 If the premise was to, they were 10 days from a nuke,

00:10:10.880 let's take out their nuclear capabilities,

00:10:12.660 then we just go back home. 0.68

00:10:13.700 but we didn't and now we're in a no-win situation unfortunately because yes the mou is our best

00:10:19.480 out but the mou isn't necessarily the best deal so and iran's not gonna about i don't believe

00:10:26.580 iran's gonna abide by the mou what incentive do they have to do so by the way you know what they

00:10:30.860 have an incentive to do right now become north korea because we did invade north korea and i

00:10:34.720 mean i've reviewed both of their nuclear programs it's it's it's not releasing any classified

00:10:39.000 information that north korea is way ahead of where iran is so if we don't like crazy people

00:10:43.820 with nuclear weapons that say death to america to have nuclear weapons then i can point you to

00:10:47.880 the hermit kingdom but uh you've got the counter example in libya where qaddafi gives up his nukes 0.76

00:10:54.820 and our cia feeds him to his own people to rip into shreds in the streets so i i do think iran 0.51

00:11:01.700 is going to break to the bomb and i blame people like mark levin mark levin will be pushing up 0.56

00:11:07.240 daisies when the generation z and generation alpha are having to deal with an iran that will

00:11:14.560 be richer and more powerful because of this war and more incentivized to break to a nuclear weapon

00:11:20.400 that is why the mou that president trump and jd vance negotiated is a good document and we should

00:11:27.540 look we we should test whether or not iran will abide by it by abiding by it ourselves and by not

00:11:34.740 allowing Netanyahu to go and create all this conflict. The United States has, but Netanyahu

00:11:38.600 hasn't. And Israel is not a signatory. How do we bring him to heel? Well, I think

00:11:42.840 you cut them off. And I certainly don't think you weave their defense infrastructure into

00:11:46.820 the United States and the National Defense Authorization. There we agree. 0.79

00:11:50.860 100%. So, all right. We've got so much to get to. David, what are you

00:11:54.620 preparing your audience for? When people tune in at 10 o'clock

00:11:58.560 and you are going through what we're going to be going through in these next few weeks

00:12:02.680 in this war who's who are we going to be hearing from on david pollack prime time and and are you

00:12:09.060 preparing them for trump to kind of pull a rabbit out of the hat and get us back into a really

00:12:15.100 positive productive posture toward peace which he has done before which i believe he wants to do

00:12:19.600 again or are you preparing them for an extended regime change trillion dollar war you know it's

00:12:26.920 i'm not preparing i'm preparing them for both uh you know i bring i'm bringing people on from both

00:12:31.440 sides to say, here's why I think it's going to end at B's. Here's why I think it's going to end

00:12:35.220 in not. And, you know, because we don't know. And this is the problem with this war

00:12:39.680 is that there really is no exit at all. Maybe the regime, it's bad. I mean, look, I stand by

00:12:47.320 President Trump's decision to rid the Iran of having a nuclear weapon. They've been an enemy. 0.95

00:12:52.900 They've been aggressive. And I believe standing by Israel, even though I know a lot of people 1.00

00:12:56.640 object to it, Israel is an ally. We stand behind them just like NATO refused to stand behind us.

00:13:00.700 Turkey stands behind us. They get jets. Spain doesn't stand behind us. They get their stock market tanked. I mean, there is there's value to loyalty. However, this this is a mess. And unless I think we're willing to see it through to its final outcome, which is regime change, which would have to be the the next outcome, if it's not peace, it's regime change or so crippling Iran economically, crippling them so terribly that they have no choice but to come to the table.

00:13:27.080 But that will never happen because you end up hurting the people more than you hurt the regime.

00:13:31.100 And then you lose your sympathy for the people you need to rise up against the regime.

00:13:37.180 Right now, if you were to replace the regime, there's enough people that are angry enough with the IRGC that they would take control, put in a provisional government.

00:13:43.560 We'll help it like we always do.

00:13:45.060 But if you start starving those people and if you start taking away things and then the IRGC starts attacking them back to keep them down, there's not going to be a spirit left to replace the regime.

00:13:54.600 It's a tough situation.

00:13:55.900 So in my show, we're going to have people on from both sides to explain what they think are going to happen, and then I'll let people decide from themselves what they want the outcome to be, and let's just hope, and I believe in President Trump and Vice President Vance, that they understand the best outcome for America, and they're going to do whatever they can to bring about that best outcome.

00:14:11.480 Sometimes things don't go according to plan, but hey, I trust President Trump more than anybody else to get it done.

00:14:16.520 Realistically, I think we've already seen what's going to happen, and that's a repeat of what has happened so far.

00:14:21.800 There's going to be more tit-for-tat battles, more bombing, little things here and there,

00:14:25.040 and then another MOU is going to come out and be solidified.

00:14:28.040 With worse terms.

00:14:28.940 With worse terms, probably.

00:14:30.140 We can't accept that.

00:14:31.060 It can't get any worse.

00:14:32.440 I mean, that's the thing.

00:14:33.860 It can't get any worse.

00:14:35.140 Probably we heard that a lot during the Iraq War, and you know what?

00:14:38.520 It kept getting worse.

00:14:39.840 And I will say this on the Matt Gaetz Show, when people come on and say,

00:14:45.020 well, we should just hit them harder, dial it up,

00:14:47.180 we're going to force them to be specific about what that means

00:14:49.280 and whether or not people are actually calling for the United States to commit war crimes

00:14:53.520 and whether or not they believe those war crimes,

00:14:55.740 which, by the way, targeting religious sites is a war crime.

00:14:58.840 Well, that's where all the terrorists are.

00:15:00.460 Yeah, I mean, Pearson will unabashedly embrace war crimes,

00:15:05.340 but I think it should be at least acknowledged that that's what you're suggesting. 0.98

00:15:08.640 I mean, that's where the terrorists are.

00:15:10.680 And if you can bomb them into submission, you know, you get rid of them. 1.00

00:15:14.540 Oh, yes, bomb Islam into peace. 1.00

00:15:16.180 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:16.800 Well, I mean, that's their strategy against us.

00:15:18.540 That's their strategy against us.

00:15:20.080 It's war and defeat to the end of it.

00:15:21.180 Oh, because they have a bad strategy.

00:15:23.120 Now we have to engage in some self-defeating strategy.

00:15:25.100 You eliminate the enemy. 1.00

00:15:26.020 So even if you don't fix Iran, at least you get rid of a lot of Muslim terrorists. 1.00

00:15:30.300 So should we nuke them? 1.00

00:15:33.180 I think your answer is getting rid of all Muslims. 1.00

00:15:36.220 Am I hearing you correctly? 1.00

00:15:37.440 I mean, they're a threat to the world.

00:15:39.600 Well, I don't believe that any group of people should be judged based on its worst members,

00:15:44.360 and I think doing so...

00:15:45.240 I mean, their worst members are almost a billion in number.

00:15:47.420 like these are these are radical people around the world every single country but i want you to

00:15:52.840 answer the question do you think we should nuke iran i don't know i wouldn't rule it off the

00:15:56.520 table but it has to be appropriate like it has to like the situation has to warrant it i don't think

00:16:00.940 a nuke the entire country is the solution oh good well i'm glad i'm glad there's a line yeah

00:16:06.980 uh speaking of matters of war and peace pearson uh you bring to our attention uh this delicious

00:16:13.920 scene uh right after president trump gets maduro out of venezuela uh there is concern that he's

00:16:22.700 going to do the same thing in greenland and have u.s force presence there to achieve his ambitions

00:16:28.160 and macron gathers uh folks in brussels and says that france is ready to engage in kinetic conflict

00:16:36.840 with the united states over greenland this from the gateway pundit pearson sharp are you buying

00:16:43.160 that the Greenland dispute could go hot

00:16:45.900 between the United States and France.

00:16:47.820 I would love to see that.

00:16:49.440 I mean, France...

00:16:50.860 Is there any war you're against? 0.98

00:16:52.320 Oh, yeah, but I mean, France is such a wuss. 0.99

00:16:54.780 Like, they are wimps. 0.99

00:16:56.320 And for them to be rattling their saber over this, 1.00

00:16:58.480 it's absolutely ridiculous. 0.90

00:16:59.400 While he has sold out his country, you know, 0.96

00:17:01.380 to the invasion that he's facing on his front door

00:17:03.420 to be threatening us with war over Greenland,

00:17:06.960 I mean, it's absolutely absurd.

00:17:09.560 And it just shows that Europe is not our ally.

00:17:12.220 France is not our ally. The UK is not. They have their own interests at heart. I mean,

00:17:16.040 this all comes down to, you know, the funding of NATO and everything else that Trump has been

00:17:19.700 very reasonably requesting help with. There's no reason we should be footing all of their bills

00:17:24.460 when they won't support us when we ask for their help, you know. So I think it's hilarious. And I

00:17:30.780 forget what the story was. It was like Denmark sent some troops over to Greenland to defend it.

00:17:37.100 And it was a big story, you know, Denmark is deploying troops. And they sent like 12 people,

00:17:40.920 you know like it's it's all for the headlines and i really i would prefer to see trump you know

00:17:48.440 annexing greenland over our war with iran personally i think that would do america a lot

00:17:52.800 more good in the long run but yeah that's hilarious that that france wants to threaten us over this

00:17:58.560 on david pollock prime time at 10 p.m i know there is enthusiastic cheerleading for the don

00:18:03.780 row doctrine were you surprised at this report that macron was talking about firing on american

00:18:09.980 troops uh who it would be our it would be our troops that would have to fire on us because

00:18:16.000 we're the only one who gives money to the nato so i don't know like i oh by the way you think

00:18:19.760 that's new for the united states to be funding the very people shooting us that's literally what

00:18:24.180 we do in syria but we'd be doing it in europe but yeah i thought that was i know it doesn't

00:18:28.360 shock me i i thought it was funny like you were saying pearson about uh denmark saying oh we will

00:18:33.200 defend every inch of with who you would call us to defend excuse me guys um i know you want to

00:18:38.920 evade Greenland would you mind

00:18:41.040 putting some of your troops there to defend it from you

00:18:42.960 sure we'll be right there and we'll give you some aid

00:18:45.060 when we're done but I mean so yes

00:18:46.900 it doesn't surprise me but it

00:18:49.040 is no secret that the 1.00

00:18:50.780 Europeans are not our allies at least the

00:18:53.020 Western European countries are not our allies

00:18:55.100 anymore exactly because of

00:18:56.960 the communist socialist influence

00:18:59.000 the open border policies and this

00:19:01.040 is what we talk about on David Pollock primetime at 10 o'clock

00:19:02.900 now right following Matt Gaeth show

00:19:04.060 we do talk about what we're up

00:19:07.060 against because this is just like when we talk about mk ultra and we tell these stories i'm like

00:19:11.240 this isn't conspiracy guys this is real this communist takeover of the west is real and it's

00:19:16.640 happening and you need to look no further than france than the uk when france is like yeah we'll

00:19:21.420 go to war with the united states and spain these are socialist countries now and the a free united

00:19:27.020 states is more of a threat to them than we are from against china and russia at this point and

00:19:31.800 so no it doesn't surprise me what is nato other than a group of people that are technically

00:19:35.900 using our money to protect themselves

00:19:38.020 from us. And that's where we're at.

00:19:40.300 I don't think there's a value in NATO. And Star Wars with Russia. 0.88

00:19:41.940 And Star Wars with Russia. I don't think we need NATO anymore.

00:19:44.540 Absolutely not. They've outlived their usefulness.

00:19:45.880 I think the United States has a big enough military we can take

00:19:48.040 care of ourselves. I think Europe has snubbed their

00:19:50.060 nose at us enough that we can just say,

00:19:52.020 good luck. Have your own NATO. 0.60

00:19:54.220 And then we take, talking about the

00:19:55.980 Don Roe Doctrine, we build a new

00:19:58.020 NATO with the Western Hemisphere.

00:19:59.740 We go to countries like Brazil, go to countries like

00:20:01.980 The Shield of the Americas

00:20:03.820 correct let's do that why do we care about what happens in europe anymore they're not there for

00:20:08.360 us eastern europe now we do have some friends there so we'll have to figure out how to how to

00:20:12.280 handle that situation but i think we just strengthen our hemisphere and then we go back to

00:20:17.180 doing what america did before world war ii and that's take care of ourselves create a pact with

00:20:20.720 russia man you know what get out of nato and make a pact with russia you're not wrong there and of

00:20:25.520 course that's pearson sharps journalism noun verb let's make friends with russia but at the same

00:20:31.200 time this i'm not saying russia is is like our friend either on a lot of respects but they're

00:20:37.380 not the boogeyman either oh and and that is the idea here is that we have to stop making enemies

00:20:42.220 with people that we can make allies with and we have to stop being friends with people and calling

00:20:46.440 allies people who hate us and call us enemies like we're okay with reshifting this i think at

00:20:50.880 this point wait a second what i i actually believe more in pragmatic diplomacy than values based

00:20:56.060 diplomacy i agree with that you know i mean whether like yeah whether or not someone is

00:20:59.740 geopolitically relevant maybe matters more to me than whether or not their values line up with it

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00:22:20.180 So this is the topic we've been dying to get into.

00:22:23.340 And we're going to get deep into MKUltra on this show and in some other stuff we're going to do with the network.

00:22:30.520 And let me give you a preview of coming attractions.

00:22:33.220 Our colleague, John Hines, on his program, After Hours, has an interview in the can with a survivor of the MKUltra program.

00:22:44.180 David, we discussed it on your program this past week.

00:22:48.640 Why don't you lay out, as you did beautifully in the monologue on your show, what MKUltra

00:22:54.500 is, where it originated, and what people are doing about it now?

00:23:01.840 Saying it out loud, just like I said yesterday, sounds like I'm crazy.

00:23:06.600 MKUltra is not a rave.

00:23:08.880 It's not an EDM thing.

00:23:10.740 It is a program that the CIA put together, essentially, to kidnap Americans, all kinds, homeless, vulnerable, non-vulnerable, and you mentioned children, dose them up with drugs.

00:23:25.520 LSD.

00:23:26.200 Yeah, LSD, and then do all kinds of things to them to essentially get to mind control.

00:23:33.440 And so it was a government project to screw with people until they can control their minds.

00:23:37.800 Plant memories and create assassins.

00:23:39.540 It's the craziest part of it to create assassins, but the craziest part of it is it might still be ongoing and in an advanced phases and exported externally.

00:23:49.580 So we're at a place – and everybody watching, everybody watching is going to go – and you're going to dismiss it.

00:23:54.820 You're going to dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.

00:23:56.520 I get it.

00:23:57.200 I would want to do the same thing.

00:23:58.220 Anytime I hear something that's so unbelievable that I don't want it to be true, I dismiss it as conspiracy.

00:24:03.680 But this is absolutely true.

00:24:05.200 This has been released by our own government.

00:24:06.940 The files are out there.

00:24:07.880 congresswoman napolina luna is getting even more documents this happened and might still be

00:24:12.400 happening that the government's kidnapping people giving them lsd and turning them into

00:24:16.300 assassins and reading their minds or and controlling their minds that's crazy to say

00:24:20.540 out loud isn't it i mean pearson what do you where do you think our report you are our premier

00:24:25.220 investigative reporter at this network where do you think our our reporting should bring people

00:24:29.500 inside this secret cia program though now acknowledged to unwittingly kidnap americans 0.54

00:24:36.740 on American soil, drug them up, and torture them to the point where they become sociopaths

00:24:44.000 capable of multiple personality disorders and control, and real control to do things 0.94

00:24:53.240 that people of sane mind would never do.

00:24:55.480 People who have not experienced horrendous trauma would not do.

00:25:00.260 I mean, we have several examples of that.

00:25:02.180 There was the young man, he was, I think, 25 years old in 1953, and he was found wandering

00:25:08.480 out on the streets after having murdered a three-year-old girl, and he was eventually

00:25:13.980 convicted and put to death for it.

00:25:15.920 But until the day he died, he said he had no memory of it happening whatsoever.

00:25:21.120 There was another young man, I think in the early 1960s, who was found, a family man,

00:25:26.600 had kids, and went up into a belfry on a university and started shooting people.

00:25:30.920 and he came back down they arrested him he had no memory of it ever happening and in fact it

00:25:35.220 turns out he had a tumor on his amygdala um and i think these people were uh tangentially

00:25:40.960 associated with the mk ultra program uh you know why the cia needed it deniability because there

00:25:47.880 are certain things that our government throughout time has believed that it has had to do uh that

00:25:55.440 are so bad and awful

00:25:57.560 Epstein level stuff

00:25:59.780 that you gotta

00:26:01.500 have that layer of deniability

00:26:03.200 so they needed to create this class of operatives

00:26:05.860 who would do

00:26:07.400 things that any

00:26:09.300 normal human would not do 1.00

00:26:10.820 as bad as I think Hillary Clinton 1.00

00:26:13.460 is, I don't think Hillary Clinton would 1.00

00:26:15.380 sit there and execute 1.00

00:26:17.400 a bunch of civilians 0.99

00:26:18.940 at the Mandalay Bay shooting

00:26:21.460 I don't

00:26:23.740 they need people who will do this. You know what else I find interesting? How many other

00:26:30.600 organizations were allegedly involved? You're talking about universities, publicly funded

00:26:37.360 hospitals, even churches in some cases. So with all of that, there was an effort at the CIA to

00:26:44.240 destroy the files. You reported on this, talked about it on your program, how CIA Director Helms

00:26:50.080 had ordered the files destroyed on this program that could lead to who these people are that are

00:26:56.180 ticking time bombs, many of whom are still alive and out there. And there are some documents that

00:27:03.880 have been found, some stuff that has been worked through. You talked about Congresswoman Luna's

00:27:08.740 demands to get her hands on that. What are you following most closely in it?

00:27:13.920 The thing that where I'm stuck with this, and I talked about it yesterday, is who's in control of

00:27:19.180 them right um i i have always believed that no matter what files they find is never going to

00:27:24.640 actually have the information that'll be really interesting to us and you know the same thing

00:27:28.200 with like the assassinations like who plans this this giant like conspiratorial assassination with

00:27:33.360 multiple nations and keeps detailed notes and instead of destroying them goes i'm just going

00:27:37.160 to put this in a drawer for somebody to find later so i don't believe any of the real evidence that's

00:27:40.680 going to be really helpful exists i doubt it um but what concerns me is who's in control of these

00:27:47.180 people is it like the movies where somebody is working outside of the president's authority

00:27:51.740 making phone calls and then they're activated to do god knows what and who's in control of them

00:27:56.120 and that can start going in a lot of different directions of a lot of unexplainable tragedies

00:28:00.700 that we've had in the last few years in this country that's brought about you know as james

00:28:04.020 carver says yeah the jfk assassination but beyond that i mean go more recently there's

00:28:08.200 various school shootings the mass shootings there was one shooting and again i i can't

00:28:13.160 I don't have any evidence that there's any relation here, but I thought it was so odd.

00:28:17.040 There was that school shooting.

00:28:18.200 I think it was the trans shooter in that Christian school. 0.85

00:28:21.540 In Tennessee, the Nashville. 0.96

00:28:22.560 Yeah, it was.

00:28:23.580 The news was there, and there was a gun rights advocate from Washington just happened to be in town the day of the shooting.

00:28:30.620 And CNN was interviewing her.

00:28:31.640 She was like, yeah, I just happened to be in town.

00:28:33.160 So you're telling me, like, this anti-gun lobby spokesperson just happens to be in the town where it's just shooting?

00:28:39.920 I just thought it was so odd.

00:28:41.580 and I couldn't figure out how that

00:28:43.700 would ever be a coincidence

00:28:45.480 and then my mind started, when I started hearing

00:28:47.580 MKUltra, I'm like, well, who's in control of these

00:28:49.760 folks? Because this stuff makes no

00:28:51.800 sense. I mean, we've had lots of these programs

00:28:53.860 though. There was Bluebird, I think

00:28:55.900 was the first one. Yeah, that's right.

00:28:57.400 There was Artichoke after

00:28:59.860 that, their experiment with vaccines.

00:29:02.340 There was like 12

00:29:03.340 that we know of that

00:29:05.940 was in this whole list of programs and MKUltra

00:29:07.780 was just one and there was a bunch of sub-programs

00:29:09.960 from India Ultra that went on afterwards as well.

00:29:12.480 I've had to do a lot of research as a congressman now,

00:29:15.480 a journalist, and I have to say,

00:29:16.940 going through some of the survivor accounts,

00:29:20.920 I have to take breaks because some of the descriptions

00:29:23.620 of what our government did to people, to children,

00:29:29.780 I've got a pretty strong stomach for a lot of stuff,

00:29:35.300 and this was hard to go through.

00:29:38.100 I think it was compared, one of the people researching it compared it to what Mengele did, you know, like it was at that level.

00:29:45.100 And you think it's ongoing.

00:29:46.680 Walk us through, you know, the belief is that following the church commission, following some of the review of Congress, that this got acknowledged in 1973 and that it was concluded in 1973.

00:30:00.680 So why does Pearson Sharp think it's ongoing?

00:30:04.060 Do we believe anything the government says?

00:30:06.060 I mean, why would we think that they would stop this program?

00:30:10.040 Like, there was a guy named O'Neill who was investigating this, and he said one of the biggest mistakes he thinks Congress made was taking the CIA's word for it, you know, initially, that they had stopped these programs.

00:30:20.560 He said their conclusion, Sidney Gottlieb's conclusion at the time, Sidney Gottlieb was the guy who was in charge of this program, was that mind control is not possible, and we can't, it's just, it's an unrealistic expectation.

00:30:31.920 and congress accepted that and this o'neill guy was saying he thinks that's one of the biggest

00:30:36.900 mistakes they made especially considering all the advances we've had recently with ai and the

00:30:42.240 other technological developments in the last 40 50 years since then since it was supposedly closed

00:30:46.460 things that gottlieb could never have dreamed of you know and what we're aware of that the

00:30:52.340 military is doing that the cia is doing is that is you know not even the tip of the iceberg

00:30:56.000 they're supposedly you know 20 years advanced with technology as far as what we're aware in

00:31:00.680 the public sector so do you think matt honestly that if there is a chance for the government to

00:31:08.820 have the technology to control people to create you know assassins that don't remember what they

00:31:14.240 did that they would abandon that pursuit well so you know what you know why i don't think it's

00:31:18.600 abandoned because they still needed the capability well that's what i just said yeah what is the

00:31:23.100 capability that they needed that's exactly what i just said not just the assassins but the

00:31:26.540 deniability they needed that deniability still uh and so so that that that's uh that's why i agree

00:31:32.680 in the in the report that i sent you that i had done i compared it to the covid vaccines yeah it

00:31:37.640 was an interesting comparison and i don't think the covid vaccine was designed to mind control

00:31:42.120 i don't know if it was designed to do anything but the parallels are striking in just the mass

00:31:49.520 implementation of this unknown untested unproven vaccine that suddenly everyone was supposed to

00:31:54.000 take everyone was supposed to use and the side effects were catastrophic the the best evidence

00:32:00.000 i can get to so far suggests that when they abducted someone and performed these uh procedures

00:32:07.340 tests torture rituals on them it was about 50 50 that it took uh so you got a bunch of people

00:32:15.020 a whole universe for whom it took and went into the mission space and lord knows who they are or

00:32:21.660 what they've done have they gotten elected to public office but then you've got the cohort

00:32:26.200 where it didn't work and uh i i i will i will tease the john hines interview that i got a little

00:32:33.760 glimpse of charles manson yeah has has a chapter in this story where uh there are allegations from

00:32:42.280 other people that they were involved in the program with manson i'm so excited when we get

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00:33:17.500 And Manson goes into the program, a normal, adjusted, mild-mannered person.

00:33:23.980 And obviously, we see the deadling.

00:33:26.140 Well, did you see when Thomas Crooks, he was in a BlackRock commercial or something crazy?

00:33:31.280 Get out.

00:33:32.040 Oh, yeah.

00:33:33.000 I'll send it to you.

00:33:33.680 I think I heard about that.

00:33:34.600 He was in a commercial.

00:33:35.760 They were in a classroom.

00:33:37.520 And when he was in high school, he was in the commercial.

00:33:40.840 When you see things like that, I'm going to show you two later.

00:33:43.840 It was the craziest thing.

00:33:44.700 And I was in the Truman Show.

00:33:46.700 I want to get to another story of government control, and it is a little more in our face than MKUltra.

00:33:54.920 The huge proliferation of these Flock cameras. 0.55

00:33:58.260 I was at the farmer's market at La Jolla, and someone rushes up to me wearing an ACLU vest, and I'm thinking, this is going to be good.

00:34:07.800 They're going to ask me to do some sort of pro-trans thing.

00:34:11.020 and uh and and the the person said that they were gathering petitions against the use of

00:34:20.200 flock cameras that sit over top a community read license plates report on where cars are parked

00:34:27.500 uh somebody jump in and tell me what what your reaction is to this and kind of how it merges

00:34:32.740 with the risks of an ai surveillance i mean it's not just tracking cars they have them in parks

00:34:37.960 They have them on nature trails.

00:34:39.440 They have them in hiking areas.

00:34:40.700 They have them anywhere people might happen to be.

00:34:44.220 This is mass surveillance from our worst Orwellian nightmares,

00:34:47.980 powered by your friend, AI.

00:34:51.040 David's friend, AI.

00:34:53.540 What a geez, Pearson.

00:34:55.380 Our biggest AI advocate on the show.

00:34:56.940 Hey, listen, when they come to take over the world,

00:34:58.480 they'll be my friends at least.

00:34:59.660 That's right, that's right.

00:35:01.180 Say that a little louder into the robot.

00:35:03.120 As they're plugging him into the Matrix

00:35:04.960 and he's slipping away from consciousness

00:35:06.800 perpetually to power the machines.

00:35:09.280 You'll hear Pearson going,

00:35:10.160 David, wait, I was wrong.

00:35:12.520 I don't know that the robots will find Pearson

00:35:14.980 in the first wave.

00:35:15.940 He'll be out in a field in Ohio,

00:35:17.440 but continue with the concern.

00:35:19.780 No, I mean, the concern is obvious.

00:35:21.640 Where is our privacy and who's overseeing this

00:35:24.020 and who voted for it?

00:35:24.980 I didn't vote for it.

00:35:26.160 City councils are voting for it.

00:35:27.400 Yeah, well, I mean,

00:35:28.560 there's one of the major problems as well.

00:35:30.700 Like this is an unimplemented

00:35:32.300 and unvoted for process

00:35:34.040 that is taking away our rights,

00:35:35.820 and a lot of people have no idea it's even happening.

00:35:39.000 They don't know what to look for and where they are,

00:35:40.680 although I will say it's hilarious, and I'm loving this.

00:35:42.900 Well, there is a growing trend around the United States

00:35:45.900 and Europe, actually, of these FLOT cameras

00:35:48.560 mysteriously being cut down and destroyed and vandalized.

00:35:53.160 I hope both you and Dan Ball have an alibi.

00:35:55.820 Maybe you could be each other's alibi.

00:35:57.780 Our terrific colleague, Dan Ball, Real America, 8 o'clock.

00:36:00.420 I will say I actually haven't seen one yet.

00:36:02.440 I haven't noticed one in a while

00:36:04.660 oh no there's one like right over my house 1.00

00:36:06.080 and my wife is the quintessential suburban white woman 1.00

00:36:08.860 and she's like you know what if nobody's doing

00:36:10.780 anything wrong why are we worried

00:36:12.740 what if the baby wanders

00:36:14.320 we would immediately have a record

00:36:16.680 of everything going on this is wonderful

00:36:18.520 she would say

00:36:19.260 that's the issue here

00:36:21.320 the question is was that flat camera there before you moved in

00:36:24.120 they said oh good

00:36:26.700 this drone was getting tired

00:36:27.940 no but the reality

00:36:30.660 is and that's this is the problem the two well i'll give you my legal problem with it first is

00:36:35.840 that you don't need a warrant to actually get the data from the flock cameras and the data has been

00:36:40.320 used a different legal standard the data has been used to go and investigate crimes well now you're

00:36:46.800 gathering evidence without a warrant and the issue is it's almost like it's fisa well yeah but the

00:36:52.220 reason why it's allowed is because these are private companies who are putting cameras out

00:36:55.820 under contract and the idea is here you can get traffic data you can get information about volume

00:37:02.180 of cars there's other things the flock cameras urban planning exactly so there's there's there's

00:37:07.400 innocent ways the flock cameras can be used and but since you have it do you mind when is power

00:37:12.420 ever used innocently well this is what i'm saying and now since you have that data city of whatever

00:37:16.860 um i'm so and so police department would you mind giving me license plate data for this person i'm

00:37:22.580 just trying oh yeah sure no problem and they could just give it over there's no warrant requirements

00:37:26.380 and the private companies they're not in the obligation to keep your privacy you don't have

00:37:30.300 a contract with that private company it's a huge privacy concern however they also if a kid wanders

00:37:36.920 off we can find him if somebody is is captured or kidnapped we can find him there is value if we had

00:37:43.580 flock cameras in nancy guthrie's neighborhood we probably know a lot more so maybe and then look

00:37:48.680 there's a charlie kirk trial playing out right now and there's a lot of surveillance videos that

00:37:52.120 dispelled a lot of the conspiracies about whether

00:37:54.240 or not this guy was there or not. There's flock cameras

00:37:56.300 there. Maybe we'd have more data. Wouldn't it take us along to find

00:37:58.240 him? So are you for them?

00:38:00.200 I'm for them

00:38:02.220 if they are extremely

00:38:04.460 regulated. And

00:38:06.240 that is, if any of the data off of them...

00:38:08.240 Like FISA. FISA has value

00:38:10.140 too, though. Like, I'm not against FISA.

00:38:12.040 I'm against FISA without a warrant requirement if it's

00:38:14.160 spying on Americans. But FISA is really good at

00:38:16.140 stopping terrorists. That's the right take.

00:38:18.080 So the things we can't do is go, well,

00:38:20.200 I really am worried about my privacy. Therefore, let's just completely be naive to the fact that

00:38:25.160 there's value. Or we could say, this is power, and that power has to be reined in with oversight.

00:38:31.420 And that oversight looks like a warrant requirement. Of course, if you're going to take

00:38:33.840 data off, how's that data used? Does it be sold to advertisers? I wonder, could it be subpoenaed

00:38:38.560 by private sector litigants? I wonder. If people are going through a dissolution of marriage,

00:38:43.160 can you subpoena the flock camera to see where your wife's been off to or who's been tipping

00:38:49.140 to your house while you're off the floor. Unless there's a law that would

00:38:51.080 suggest otherwise and we're an evidentiary ruling.

00:38:52.840 They don't have any, they're not the government.

00:38:54.700 Now courts can maybe limit ruling that that evidence is

00:38:57.020 inadmissible and then we'd have case law at least.

00:38:58.480 But why would they? If you could subpoena

00:39:00.900 Ring, it's no different than Ring.

00:39:02.920 It's exactly like Ring. Except that it's industrialized

00:39:05.380 Ring at massive scale 0.97

00:39:07.300 into systems that can ingest

00:39:09.300 this AI and that are explicitly

00:39:10.960 telling you they're collecting big data and aggregating

00:39:13.320 them. And how many people opted in

00:39:14.940 to what is that on Ring? While the cameras

00:39:16.980 work together to find things, there's a

00:39:18.920 they advertised it at the super bowl how many people are like oh this is great my dog is missing

00:39:22.980 remember you have the missing dog and they found the missing dog because all these people work

00:39:26.360 together to share their ring data to find this person's missing dog and it made us feel really

00:39:31.140 good about the surveillance in your home i mean if you have a camera in your home outside of your

00:39:35.120 home there's and that's the thing man and then i'll land on that point brother we already have

00:39:39.240 flock cameras everywhere they're on your laptops they're on your phone they're in your house they're

00:39:43.920 on your doorbell the cameras are everywhere these are just new cameras and so the question is what

00:39:50.440 regulations are we going to put in place to restrict the data from that camera being used

00:39:53.980 and all cameras being used i don't know that there's a viable regulatory fix because i've

00:40:01.320 never seen technology successfully constrained by regulation i really haven't i mean maybe there

00:40:06.800 someone's got a got a perfect way to weave it together i don't uh but i also think these type

00:40:12.680 of moments do create a bit of a cultural and societal backlash like there will be a huge

00:40:18.220 aftermarket value for the for the old jeep uh cherokees that you can't hit with a kill switch

00:40:24.500 from washington that you happen to drive as well uh yeah i got one of those i mean this is this is

00:40:30.400 uh uh 2027 you know next year all cars in the u.s are going to be equipped with kill switches you

00:40:38.220 know this is what thomas massey's been telling us yeah but not uh not the one i'm driving but but

00:40:42.420 But David's making a very interesting argument, which is this is all inevitable.

00:40:46.820 It's inevitable because you have data brokers, because of Alexa and Siri and the way that people's AI searches are contributing to machine learning.

00:40:58.260 So you can't escape the ecosystem.

00:41:00.860 And so if it is upon us one way or the other, why not use it for the things that improve our safety?

00:41:06.600 I have a feeling Pearson Sharp, who will get the last word on this, will have a contrarian take.

00:41:10.780 those who would trade their freedom for safety deserve neither bring in bringing out some some

00:41:17.180 thomas jefferson yeah there we go a little tj for us yeah uh now uh i uh i also want to get to a

00:41:26.160 little news on capitol hill this week uh where in the world is mitch mcconnell we have uh this is

00:41:32.380 a strange fact i think we know and obviously mitch mcconnell i mean i i will acknowledge mitch

00:41:38.120 mcconnell and his staff because i don't know that he was really with it but like mcconnell uh at all

00:41:43.780 which is a web of lobbyists influence peddlers uh disingenuous media personalities like scott

00:41:49.720 jennings uh they were committed to my defeat of my nomination for attorney general so i've got no

00:41:55.940 like soft spot in my heart for mitch mcconnell frankly i wish i could have shown him out the

00:42:00.780 door with kevin mccarthy chinese plan uh when i uh when i was uh when i was in congress but i

00:42:07.180 obviously hope that he's not dead uh or permanently incapacitated i don't wish that even on my

00:42:13.040 enemies but is it weird that like you're getting the the scott jennings i talked to mitch mcconnell

00:42:19.360 for 20 minutes and you know he had all these these hot takes do you do you read that as true are you

00:42:23.880 buying it i don't buy that at all no i i think he's like some of the reports we've heard laura

00:42:29.280 loomer he's brain dead i think he's been brain dead for years personally but he's he's he his

00:42:37.460 position right now raises a lot of questions about accountability in the senate and how we should

00:42:43.060 handle these situations because you know jokes aside it's pretty clear that he's not been

00:42:48.720 physically fit for the job for years you know you're saying he's not a spry 84 yeah exactly

00:42:54.980 and you know all these takes and stuff like we need to have a much more rigorous accountability

00:43:00.760 for the health and capabilities of our of our leaders like this is not a man who can lead

00:43:06.200 why has he been allowed to maintain his position other than the fact that he is mitch mcconnell at

00:43:11.000 all writ large and he has this power around him that protects him from his his circumstances

00:43:16.620 it's almost biden-esque like in a way exactly it's exactly there's so many people who have a

00:43:21.900 stake like they're keeping him going yeah their economic fortunes are tied to him where that gets

00:43:27.460 uh decentralized and kind of split up and absorbed by other washington power centers if he ceases to

00:43:33.820 be even like a you know a an orb i mean he has so many hangers-ons you know that that they would

00:43:41.400 all be out of their positions they would lose their advantages if he was to go down so david

00:43:44.840 one of the reasons i look up to you you're a great husband you're a great father you got a happy

00:43:49.420 marriage. So God forbid, God forbid, something happens to you at your home, you're found

00:43:55.360 unconscious. CPR is administered to work to revive you. You are in the hospital and your

00:44:03.220 wife is on a work trip in another country. How many more meetings do you think she would

00:44:09.580 take in that country with other foreign people before returning home to care for you?

00:44:14.380 Well, I would never have to fall ill and need CPR because I get my vitamins at all 1.00

00:44:18.360 family pharmacy there you go matt but but uh should i not have taken care of my health

00:44:24.100 using that important promo code uh yeah i don't think she would be like i'm gonna stay in china

00:44:30.160 the interesting part about it was that she said uh there was nothing requiring my to me to return

00:44:37.500 immediately which doesn't really break up the rumor right because well if he's dead or brain

00:44:42.880 dead well sure what's the rush it's not changing they call it a persistent vegetative state for

00:44:46.660 something right i really want to i really wish i could just accept jennings and thunes reports

00:44:56.320 because there's multiple people by the way that spoke to him for 20 minutes and by the way there

00:44:59.440 are two people who owe their power yeah to mitch mcconnell right right right and they all spoke to

00:45:03.800 him and they all spoke to him the same day and had the same conversations oh mitch just woke up out

00:45:08.180 of the bed and was like how is things going with iran and that main case that platner guy yeah

00:45:14.100 That's the first thing.

00:45:14.900 Not where's my wife.

00:45:16.140 It's how's Graham Plattner doing that?

00:45:18.420 So I don't buy the story.

00:45:19.740 I wish I could.

00:45:20.620 And the fact that I can't buy the story that the leader of the Senate and a reporter on CNN that they're telling the fact that I can't believe the leader of the Senate or reporter on CNN that they actually talked to a sitting senator really says a lot about where we are as a nation.

00:45:35.640 Right.

00:45:36.120 To believe that our politicians and our leaders and our media would lie to us about somebody being alive or functional for what purpose.

00:45:43.460 And so even post Biden, because I thought we got that through our system. Right. And so the fact and so where we are right now is the fact that half of us think either McConnell's dead or brain dead.

00:45:52.980 The other half are like, oh, well, you know, Kevin, I mean, John Thune spoke to him. He's good. He's good. Scott Jennings is good. So I'm sure he's fine.

00:45:59.800 None of us actually believe that. But here's the bigger question. If that's true, if we don't believe that he's just fine, the bigger question is,

00:46:07.900 How are we okay with this conspiracy to pretend he's fine just to keep the people of Kentucky from being able to replace him just so we can't pass the Save America Act, just so we can't secure our elections before the midterms?

00:46:21.980 Now that is bigger than MKUltra.

00:46:24.220 And the fact that we're just like, eh, whatever.

00:46:27.340 They lie to us.

00:46:28.120 It's all good.

00:46:28.920 That's the part that bothers me more than his wife going to China and hanging out for extra dim sum.

00:46:33.740 He's nice.

00:46:34.940 he's just for the record i hope that if that ever happened to me my wife would come back

00:46:40.740 i don't think it makes me a weaker man to hope she'd be there no of course not why would it

00:46:44.620 that's a normal human reaction i i think his wife and him probably have a sham relationship

00:46:49.720 and she uses him to push china's lobbies into america you know it's pretty clear of course

00:46:55.760 expressing an opinion right now exactly what she's doing right now that's you know taking a

00:47:00.000 meeting with the prime the vice president of china like yeah that's exactly what she's doing

00:47:04.820 But anyway, this is an ongoing problem.

00:47:07.940 We have leaders who are not in office taking care of their business, taking care of our nation.

00:47:11.520 What was that? What's his bucket?

00:47:13.340 The congressman who couldn't be in office for five months because he was depressed. 1.00

00:47:20.200 You know, what is that garbage? 0.99

00:47:22.000 Thomas Keene, Republican congressman. 1.00

00:47:24.280 Get back to work, man.

00:47:25.220 If you're too sad to be in office, get out.

00:47:27.820 John Fetterman had to miss sometime in the Senate because he was suffering from depression and got inpatient treatment at Walter Reed.

00:47:36.820 So you're – wait, you're saying that you expect people to just plow through it, huh?

00:47:42.300 Yeah, or get out.

00:47:43.800 We need competent, strong leaders.

00:47:45.580 We don't need weak leaders.

00:47:47.040 Like this is a basic fundamental concept.

00:47:50.460 We can't be led by people who are not present.

00:47:53.940 We have a lot of listeners who have gone through depression

00:47:56.800 that hate listening to this program, and you're going to get some comments on this.

00:47:59.740 I understand that, but they're not leading our nation.

00:48:01.760 Like, I have sympathy for depression.

00:48:03.400 You know what makes me depressed? The national debt.

00:48:05.560 Nearly $39 trillion.

00:48:07.380 And we may see rising inflation and rising gas prices

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00:48:16.980 I sat in Congress. I know what Congress will do.

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00:49:08.080 No.

00:49:08.620 So the point is, I have sympathy for people who have mental illness, but that, I think, 1.00

00:49:14.120 is a disqualifying factor to lead the nation. 1.00

00:49:16.580 You know, take care of your illness, take care of your disability, whatever it is, but 1.00

00:49:20.800 you should not be in charge of our country you know what is so lovely about that sentiment it is 0.70

00:49:27.620 it is appropriately selfish a citizen of this country has a right to say i want you to focus

00:49:35.240 on me and my needs and i felt the weight of that obligation when i was in public life i didn't make

00:49:41.340 every right decision on every bill probably over 14 years but i really felt the obligation

00:49:46.520 to make it about the folks who have that very expectation you have.

00:49:50.600 And we've got this whole class of politicians

00:49:52.600 who kind of want to make it about these broader themes

00:49:56.120 or these virtue signals or strangers in a strange land.

00:49:59.940 And I think that that is a path to political ruin

00:50:04.260 because when people are alone and they are voting,

00:50:07.020 they are voting for the person who they believe will fight for them.

00:50:09.920 I think that is the core question that is being asked.

00:50:13.780 So, David, I know you talk a lot on your program about the midterms.

00:50:17.240 Give us give us a little taste of just kind of where you see things right now, because we've talked about the implosion of Plattner seems to bode well for Republicans in the Senate.

00:50:25.980 We've seen in Texas how Tallarico has kind of been exposed as a fake Texan and and not aligned with Texan values.

00:50:35.020 So are you are you feeling a little more bullish or does this extended conflict in Iran give you some hesitation?

00:50:41.380 Well, that does give me hesitation. I'm not bullish until the Save America Act gets passed. And that's the tell for me, the little button that pops up out of the turkey when the turkey's overcooked. The tell for me is if we can get the Save America Act passed. If we can get the Save America Act passed, that signals to me that the GOP establishment, that President Trump, that everybody is working together to get a legislative goal across the finish line for us.

00:51:08.240 right if they can't see that piece of legislation get across the finish line of the president's desk 0.87

00:51:12.500 what that tells me is that the gop establishment is perfectly happy with losing the midterms and

00:51:17.500 if that's their take then no i don't have a lot of confidence because the president certainly

00:51:22.520 is focused on saving the house and the senate and in the midterms clearly it's the senate

00:51:28.220 republicans that can't find a vacation they're not fond of you know they can't even pass melania's

00:51:32.900 trump uh fostering our future act this was a bipartisan bill passed yeah out of the house

00:51:37.580 that the senate couldn't even take up so so i don't have a lot of confidence that we're working

00:51:44.140 together the way we need to when the democrats are now there's some fracturing with the democratic

00:51:49.440 socialists of america and we can sit back and go oh this is good they don't like those those

00:51:53.900 commies but they're winning though the communists are winning and the democrats elections and the 0.65

00:52:00.100 democrats like gavin newsom are going okay i can sound like one of them they're chameleons they

00:52:03.860 just want to stay in power. And what they have is a ground game. And what we don't have is a unified

00:52:08.500 message right now. We have half the party pro-Iran, a pro-Iranian war, half the party

00:52:14.220 split over Israel. We have half the party split on Epstein still. We have the party split on gas

00:52:18.760 prices. We have the party split on how Charlie Kirk was assassinated, for God's sakes. And so

00:52:22.940 when we have this- And we're in charge of everything and we can't pass the SAVE Act.

00:52:25.280 Exactly. We can't pass the SAVE Act. We can't come together on what's important.

00:52:28.160 So why should voters give us another chance? I don't think, no, voters know they should give

00:52:31.700 us another chance i think what it is is we don't have a common enemy at the moment we have we have

00:52:36.080 too many enemies when when biden was president it was clear the enemy was the people trying to put

00:52:41.160 us in jail and joe biden wasn't in charge so whoever was in charge that we had to beat them

00:52:45.820 we were unified on that we had friends in jail we had january 6 friends in the enemy is going to be

00:52:49.640 the democrat socialist dude we're going to be able to do anything to us right now and that's

00:52:53.680 the problem no the enemy to us right now is us and rhinos because we our enemy is the rhino but

00:52:59.560 But the rhino's enemy is Trump.

00:53:01.620 But, you know, Joe Schmoe, American, who wants to take back our country, who does he vote for?

00:53:06.520 This is why I love my conversations with you guys.

00:53:08.360 David Pollack just gave an impassioned plea for Republican unity, directly followed by Pearson saying we need a rhino hunt.

00:53:15.000 Well, look, we've got McConnell.

00:53:16.960 We've got Thune.

00:53:17.620 We've got all these people who are supposed to be fighting for us. 0.96

00:53:20.080 They're on our side, supposedly.

00:53:21.420 We've got the R next to their name.

00:53:23.140 Who do people like us vote for?

00:53:24.440 I think you've both tapped in on a restlessness that exists within the base that has to be dealt with.

00:53:31.340 Passing the Save America Act is one way to deal with that restlessness, getting that unified enemy, getting that message out.

00:53:38.000 And frankly, I think rising economic conditions, which would have been a lot easier without this war, in my opinion.

00:53:43.720 That is the end of our hour.

00:53:45.340 Thank you both so much for joining me for it.

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - July 09, 2026

The Anchormen Show EP 143 - MK-ULTRA

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