00:06:20.140And what a great segment in the way she was able to push back on the fake news,
00:06:23.560angry about a pretty woman even back then.
00:06:27.480Yeah, well, David, I am so excited that you have Chrissy Newton with us.
00:06:31.260You guys have just come off the set of David Pollack Prime Time,
00:06:34.520where you were delving into so many of the issues that we're regularly discussing
00:06:38.300around the government and technology and surveillance.
00:06:41.980So take it away and bring us into this discussion.
00:06:44.160Yeah. So look, I found Chrissy when it was the UAP first release. Remember when the UAPs were first released? And I was like, oh, man, I got to find somebody who knows something about UAPs. What the viewers don't know is what it goes into making our shows. We don't have like giant booking departments here at OAN. We produce our own shows. And so when a story breaks, we're like, who can we go and find? And we run around and we find people that we think will be interesting and bring an opinion to the audience that will be different and unique and valuable.
00:07:11.100and so when that first UAP release came out
00:07:13.460I don't know what those little dots were
00:07:15.380that kind of was floating across the screen
00:07:17.460I was like well I need to bring in somebody
00:14:48.940Until I see proof, I don't believe in aliens.
00:14:51.320A grainy video does not equal proof to me.
00:14:53.980It equals something that we don't know.
00:14:55.320So you want the government to tell you what they are?
00:14:57.600I'm willing to believe, but I need more proof.
00:15:00.240And from what we've seen so far, I haven't seen that kind of proof.
00:15:03.420But we have talked to people from the CIA.
00:15:05.800We have talked to people who are on the inside.
00:15:07.700And their expert opinion is a lot of this stuff is driven towards creating a conspiracy towards fear, setting up the next COVID pandemic.
00:15:20.540Setting up the next opportunity for the government to assume total control under the assumed auspices of some external threat that they need to protect us from at all costs.
00:15:31.300And so we need to give them all of this power so they can do that.
00:15:34.000That seems a lot more plausible to me than little green men running around somewhere.
00:15:39.140Well, sitting next to you is somebody who might know the answer.
00:15:41.180I thought you were going to say sitting next to you is a little green man.
00:17:37.000Well, yeah, well, before that, Kenneth Arnold's first sighting.
00:17:40.700And so he reported that to a local paper as the East Oregoner. Someone's going to kill me right now in UFO world if I said that wrong. But they reported this to their local journalists. And then what happened is that Life Magazine picked that up. But what Life Magazine did was change the wording into flying saucer.
00:18:00.000Kenneth Arnold did not say that at all.
00:18:03.040And then it was syndicated through a press release that was picked up all over the world.
00:18:08.140That little slight of changing of lexicon and changing of words can identify why we think we see flying discs or flying saucers.
00:22:10.860I'm just coming up with a rational, you know, Occam's razor,
00:22:13.820shortest route to the answer is usually the right one.
00:22:16.300Some people called them like that they were puppeteers.
00:22:18.180And I was like, okay, that's just in the middle of Zimbabwe, Africa, there's a group of puppeteers walking across the street and like, no way.
00:22:25.900Some of the sightings were like the F-117 and things like that.
00:22:29.620And so I'm imagining an SR-71 flying over Africa and like has to crash or bails out or something.
00:22:36.360They watched it land and they watched this land and that it's how the occupants moved.
00:22:41.880There was this like, mmm, like that UAP sound that is like a high hum or sounds like buzzing bees of a swarm.
00:22:48.860And so the reason why is that the, it's not that for sure you're right, that something could have flown over, that it would have been an aircraft or something classified.
00:22:56.860But it's the point that it landed and the occupants that came out and how they moved and how they skipped and kind of reappeared and disappeared along with them.
00:23:04.840I believe there was a sulfur smell that was attached to it, but mainly it was that buzzing sound.
00:23:09.920And again, when I asked Randall Nickerson, he said it was 100 people, but really, in likeliness, it was 200 people that saw this.
00:23:30.660And the way that these occupants moved is something that nobody's ever seen.
00:23:36.400The other point I forgot that I should make is that they were allegedly telepathically connecting with them and talking to them about, you know, environmental issues, about what was going to happen on the planet.
00:23:46.440And all of these kids ended up receiving a majority of these kids received the same message consistently telepathically with them.
00:23:53.380And they were about, I think, six or eight feet away from the occupants.
00:24:04.860If you have an advanced military aircraft land in backwaters in Bobway, you know, a society or culture of people who have never seen anything like that before.
00:24:15.380Well, in Zimbabwe, they have seen planes before.
00:24:17.880Right, no, but you've never seen an SR-71 come down.
00:24:20.160Well, not many people have seen an SR-71 in general.
00:26:20.180He is the intelligence official that we broke that story at the debrief.
00:26:23.720And then News Nation co-broke literally moments after us with Ross Coulthard.
00:26:27.800And we all knew that was going to happen that day.
00:26:30.460But, you know, he does mention the word interdimensional.
00:26:34.260But in most recent interviews, he said that was the only word that he could really use to explain it.
00:26:39.000But he doesn't really know if it's interdimensional.
00:26:41.120That was the word he chose because it's just so abstract of an idea of what it could be.
00:26:46.520Is there a theory about how long this has been happening?
00:26:51.400Oh, since like airships, 1800s and above.
00:26:54.540You could even go biblical if you want.
00:26:57.080I know people talk about like petroglyphs and people writing the Stone Age and drawing pictures of these things.
00:27:02.280But it seems like in the 1950s, 40s, that's when it like really started taking off.
00:27:06.780Well, in the 1980s, Jason Chambre is going to be a historian and he'll be writing a book that's coming out and talking about focusing on just the airships.
00:27:16.300Because people back then in 1800s and even before were saying, what are these things?
00:27:21.320And they were, you know, documenting it as well.
00:28:07.200I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I had to ask for where I got.
00:28:09.080Yeah, I wonder from the scholarship you've reviewed and from these accounts that you have analyzed, are you able to glean anything or make any assumptions about the goals, ambitions of any of these other creatures that may have come to Earth?
00:28:27.140I wish I knew that. Then we'd be done here. We're like, it's a wrap. We know everything. No, I don't. I have no idea what the intentions are behind any of these things. I question the intentions of the American government and what they're doing when they use this topic as well as a conversation point. But no, I don't know. And here's the thing is, I don't know if they're interdimensional. I don't know if they're aliens. I don't know what they are, where they come from.
00:28:57.140My job is to talk to people, research and write about it and then be able to fact check it, obviously, as much as possible and talk to scientists.
00:29:04.640One of the things I do consistently on my podcast is talk to scientists who are working on this enigma and the science that they're building and getting funding for, which is unbelievable to say, and talk to them and then kind of put the two together and say, you know, there's something here.
00:29:58.880You know, I know they're looking at warp drive theory.
00:30:01.060Sonny Harold White at Kashmir and before was Limitless Space is looking at warp drive theory as a possibility that this is how, you know, UAP travels.
00:30:10.600And so the one thing that the National Science Foundation is doing, which is really wonderful,
00:30:14.940And I was lucky enough to be sent one of their interagency meetings about UFOs and the stuff that they were funding around, you know, frontier science.
00:30:24.520And I broke that story and the story really focused on remote viewing, UFOs.
00:30:29.720It was all this really wonderful sci-fi things that we, you would be surprised that the government was funding.
00:30:37.480But why they were funding it is a lot of this is adjacent, obviously, to propulsions or other types of edge science or adjacent to UAP.
00:30:44.020So when you're funding something that is going to answer maybe another question or another challenge, you're also going to be able to use it to investigate UFOs.
00:35:23.960I sat on the subcommittee that oversaw DARPA for six years, and I never observed technologies that would explain what we've seen in some of these tranches.
00:35:36.700Now, again, I'm sure some of the stuff for weather balloons.
00:35:42.140Yeah, because the limits of my knowledge are the limits of the stuff we have going on.
00:35:48.280And when you see that crazy star bouncing around, when you see particularly what Chrissy was saying about propulsion, about the ability to traverse air, water, and then form and reform, I can tell you there's not stuff in DARPA that does that based on my review as a congressman.
00:36:44.480But basically the government had this program where they were just scooping up people from various parts of society, whether there be homeless people or criminals or people from jails or just people at a bar looking to pick up women.
00:36:56.160And they would collect them, kidnap them, and essentially give them lots of drugs over a period of time.
00:37:01.940The idea was to wipe their minds by giving them all kinds of drugs and torture and different experiments and then replace their mind with whatever they wanted to do with them.
00:37:10.540there was various no one of me knows why they were doing it or what they hope to accomplish
00:37:14.980from the program we just know through releases of these burn bags that this was in fact happening
00:37:20.580and the question is whether it's still happening because there's been multiple countries involved
00:37:25.320i talked about today in my show in germany they they took a i guess it was an old lab or something
00:37:30.160and they they used it as basically a cia torture chamber and they brought these mk ultra people
00:37:34.220there they're using nazi scientists and we talked about the horrible experiments they did i think
00:37:38.720Matt, you and I talked about this on my show.
00:37:40.700So basically what the audience needs to understand is that there's a program called MKUltra.
00:37:49.160Working both in the United States and in foreign countries with foreign governments.
00:37:53.140We're kidnapping people, giving them all kinds of drugs, performing experiments on them, recruiting people to recruit people for this program.
00:38:00.700And there's real victims, people who actually were in this program and then doing God knows what with them once they were reprogrammed.
00:38:06.700The only conspiracy theory is what they did with these people after they were programmed, and that's the part where we can discuss.
00:38:13.180But did I miss anything with what MKUltra is?
00:38:16.840Yeah, it's wild to know that it's even real.
00:38:19.220So you've done a ton of research on this, MKUltra.
00:38:23.180So briefly, with the program that happened, do we know what happened to the people that were MKUltra'd, how many victims there were, and what is MKUltra now?
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00:39:30.900We don't know how many there were, but we know that there was multiple victims, specifically in the Alan McMorril Institute in Canada, in Montreal.
00:39:39.460Were there, not to interrupt your flow, but were there hundreds of victims, thousands of victims, tens of thousands?
00:39:59.960Because we have researched that, too, Chrissy, and we have found the same thing, that there are victim accounts of children in vulnerable situations on the U.S.-Mexico border, in war zones that were abducted for this purpose.
00:40:22.500I don't know why they were doing it with children, but what I can imagine and assume that they were doing is they were testing.
00:40:28.280You know, in Canada, I wrote a story. This is wild, but the same thing with the indigenous community. We have residential schools and, you know, we have tens to thousands of children that are under these schools that we have found that that ended up dying at residential schools.
00:40:43.920And we found it through some of these reports. And I know it's it's horrible. And so we found it through some of these reports that at residential schools, they were doing side testing.
00:40:53.540And so Psy testing is something that did happen in MKUltra as well,
00:40:56.660but they targeted children to have their Psy abilities.
00:40:59.660And so they wouldn't torture them, but they would target them
00:41:02.380and they would do different types of tests with them
00:41:04.740to see if they were psychic, and that's what Psy is.
00:41:07.660And so there's questions from Jordan Jozak,
00:41:10.760who's a person that has come forward now in the most recent,
00:42:30.100That's a really important point that I want to follow up on.
00:42:32.720Walk me through what you have observed about the intergenerational connection within families to participate in these horrific tests.
00:42:44.740Yeah, well, it might be the fact that, you know, someone, again, I'm Canadian, so it's different for us. You know, we didn't have our families didn't serve in Vietnam, we weren't part of certain wars. So you don't really see the ideology so embedded into Canadians, but you see it in Americans. And that's just an observation. There is no comment to if it's good or bad, you just see it.
00:43:04.060And so when I'm in the States and I'm meeting tons of different Americans and flying around, majority of the people I meet are service people all the time. I think I'm a magnet to them, people that are in service.
00:43:16.520And so we just end up having really lengthy conversations in planes or if I'm at events or at conventions, and I'm more likely to meet them specifically at conventions.
00:43:25.540But what I'm seeing, though, especially if it's been Psy, I've asked them within Canada, and these are people in MKUltra, too.
00:43:31.920I just got off a call with a daughter of a victim, and their family was intergenerations involved in the military.
00:43:42.440And so you're seeing this connection to it.
00:44:14.280We need Canada, McGill University to finally release those documents and the rest of that they probably do have.
00:44:20.040And along with all the other countries that were given this program, because a lot of those roads stem back to MKUltra because there was 169 MKUltra shoot off programs.
00:44:34.860And I want to get into the second phase in a moment here because I don't want to run out of time before talking about what MKUltra evolved into.
00:44:39.840But regarding MKUltra itself, because I know a lot of people at home are probably thinking, like, okay, it happened, so what?
00:44:46.780There's two reasons why so what matters here.
00:44:49.440One reason is there's still victims that need to be compensated for what happened to them.
00:44:52.600They were kidnapped and tortured and done God knows what to.
00:44:56.900And we also want to know, you know, really to the extent of what they did with some of these folks.
00:45:01.800Now, can you describe some of the things that they did to these children or these women?
00:45:07.080Because I don't think people really understand the level of torture.
00:45:09.460They think, okay, they took some drugs.
00:45:10.860They're like, I did that in college, and I'm not MKUltra.
00:52:37.740And I think that's why all these shows are so interesting to people.
00:52:40.360Like, why aren't we talking about this more?
00:52:42.260And the fact that we don't talk about it is why these programs are allowed to happen.
00:52:45.800So us having these discussions, the transparency of it, I think protects us from these type of things because if you take away the taboo nature of some of these things, well, maybe it wouldn't be so easy to have UAP programs or MKUltra projects.