The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show Ep 61- Crucible Moment w⧸ Col. Derek Harvey

00:00:00.000 Now, it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Dan Ball.

00:00:14.240 Welcome back to another episode of the Anchorman Show.

00:00:17.160 And I'm going to be having a conversation today with one of my personal heroes.

00:00:21.460 When I was in Congress, there were so many who were trying to convince us that the administrative

00:00:27.200 state, the FBI, the Department of Justice, the intelligence community, they only had

00:00:32.480 truth and right answers for us.

00:00:34.800 They were infallible.

00:00:35.920 They could never be flawed or corrupted.

00:00:38.720 And I really believed when I was elected to Congress that those folks were the good guys

00:00:43.180 and we ought to give them a great deal of deference.

00:00:46.300 And what I learned is that here in Washington, D.C., every entity, every appendage of government

00:00:52.600 wants to grow stronger.

00:00:53.800 And the way they grow stronger is by helping their friends and harming their enemies.

00:00:59.080 And we would like to think that certain agencies would be above that.

00:01:02.880 But sadly, what I learned is that many of those three-letter agencies were the worst purveyors

00:01:08.020 of politics at the expense of intelligence, at the expense of the facts and the law.

00:01:13.480 And so there was a dedicated group of people.

00:01:16.200 And you know some of them, people like Jim Jordan and Ron DeSantis and Mark Meadows and

00:01:21.380 Devin Nunes, but to ensure that all of us had the ability to ask the right questions

00:01:27.320 and pursue the right leads, there were dedicated members of the intelligence community staff.

00:01:32.620 And you know one of them a great deal now, Kash Patel.

00:01:35.520 He's currently the director of the FBI.

00:01:37.200 And he largely has that position because he was able to show his chops in very challenging

00:01:42.680 circumstances where he's being threatened by Rod Rosenstein.

00:01:46.320 He was being challenged by the likes of Paul Ryan and the national media.

00:01:50.400 But the truth has a way of winning.

00:01:53.380 And it was unleashed in those days in 2017.

00:01:58.120 And now in light of so many of the disclosures we've had from director of national intelligence,

00:02:02.680 Tulsi Gabbard, CIA director, John Radcliffe, we're learning so much more.

00:02:06.180 There is another hero of this moment you may not know as well, Colonel Derek Harvey.

00:02:12.820 If you were to ask Devin Nunes, who was most responsible for the key breakthroughs that

00:02:18.500 exposed the worst actors, it was Colonel Derek Harvey.

00:02:22.700 He has lived a low-profile life from a national political standpoint, but has become a member

00:02:29.200 of local government here in the general kind of outer D.C.

00:02:33.460 Burbs community, and he joins us now.

00:02:36.820 Colonel Harvey, I'm always honored to be in your presence because you see the best of

00:02:42.940 people sometimes when they have to cut through the worst that's around them.

00:02:46.880 And I really admired this work you did in 2017.

00:02:50.300 And I want to get into how we view the left today, how we view the administrative state today.

00:02:55.600 But just to set the stage, talk a little bit about what in your life led to this moment

00:03:01.600 where there you were working with the likes of Devin Nunes and Kash Patel on the House Intelligence

00:03:06.680 Committee.

00:03:07.580 Well, I was a United States Army colonel, intelligence officer who had spent about 25 years working

00:03:13.340 in the Middle East looking at networks, al-Qaeda, insurgencies, you know, a number of years working

00:03:19.540 in Iraq and then at CENTCOM.

00:03:22.940 And when I was down at CENTCOM, I started to run into some hurdles of politicized intelligence.

00:03:28.420 And that's when I first ran into, you know, D&I Director Clapper and, you know, C.I. Director Brennan

00:03:35.080 because we were at CENTCOM challenging some of the narratives that were being published in D.C.

00:03:41.300 about the demise of al-Qaeda.

00:03:43.140 Remember, this is 2012, 2013 after, you know, Osama bin Laden had been killed.

00:03:49.860 And we were wondering, where is this treasure trove of terabytes of data and what can it tell us?

00:03:56.880 And we started to look at it and we came up with a very different narrative.

00:04:01.400 And then in other areas, we started to look at it and we were called up to D.C.

00:04:05.380 and told to cease and desist.

00:04:06.800 They couldn't argue with the facts and the evidence and what we were pulling out

00:04:11.160 because we were actually identifying current operational terrorist cells

00:04:15.060 by looking at the data that had not been fully exploited from the Abbottabad raid

00:04:21.060 that killed Osama bin Laden.

00:04:22.980 And that was my first incidence of really dealing with politicized intelligence.

00:04:29.120 And when you had to work through that, did it create a reference point

00:04:35.580 when later in life you find yourself on the House Intelligence Committee?

00:04:38.880 There are these allegations that the likes of Brennan and Clapper

00:04:42.020 either suppressed information or sort of invented theories out of whole cloth.

00:04:47.620 Did it help having seen how they operated with the type of intelligence

00:04:52.420 that we saw during the global war on terror?

00:04:54.000 It was similar, but this, what we found in 2016, 17,

00:04:59.240 when we're going back and looking what Brennan and Clapper and, you know, others had done,

00:05:03.680 Samantha Powers, it was beyond corrupt.

00:05:08.940 In my mind, it was criminal, okay, fabricating information, falsifying records

00:05:15.380 and implicating Mike Flynn, for example, saying that he had said something that he'd never said, okay,

00:05:22.160 and then getting him fired as a major blow to the Trump administration.

00:05:26.480 And right after that, I started to look at some of the past intelligence data

00:05:32.780 that was held at the National Security Council and the Intelligence Office

00:05:35.580 where we started looking at all of these, you know, requests to unmask people.

00:05:41.000 And we started to see a pattern, and we saw other things,

00:05:43.780 and that led us to, you know, reach out to Devin Nunez

00:05:48.080 and ask him to come over and take a look at some things.

00:05:51.480 And that's what led to the, you know, press conference, not press conference,

00:05:55.880 but his speaking to the press outside the White House

00:05:58.680 where he started the whole Russia hoax unraveling at that point.

00:06:03.120 It took too long, too many years, and there was too much opposition from the deep state.

00:06:07.900 But we're finally getting there with what Tulsi Gabbard and John Radcliffe and others have been releasing.

00:06:14.000 But so much of this, Matt, we knew over the last, you know, we uncovered it in 18, 19, and 2020.

00:06:22.240 But I want to go back to 2017 and that key moment

00:06:25.720 because it was such a critical moment for the Republican Party.

00:06:30.760 I mean, we had congressmen saying to me,

00:06:33.140 look, if Trump has done something wrong with Russia, Mike Pence will be fine as president.

00:06:36.980 They hoped that one of their own, someone they had familiarity with,

00:06:42.240 could simply assume a role that he had not been elected to.

00:06:46.380 Take us inside that decision for Devin Nunez to go over to the White House

00:06:51.560 and tell President Trump his campaign had been spied on

00:06:54.560 because it was a decision that really did come with consequences for him and for the committee.

00:07:00.140 It did.

00:07:00.860 And, you know, I still do not think that, you know, Chairman Nunez gets enough credit for what he did

00:07:08.280 because he was pushing back against the entire House and Senate establishment,

00:07:15.620 not just the Republican Party.

00:07:17.880 And he was standing on principle.

00:07:20.000 He saw something wrong.

00:07:21.380 He was curious.

00:07:22.600 And he pulled the string.

00:07:24.100 And it continued to pull.

00:07:25.800 And we wound up with the Russia hoax.

00:07:28.600 But at the time...

00:07:30.760 It had to be a tough decision because, I mean, like you said,

00:07:33.720 there were a lot of folks that didn't even want him to tell Trump.

00:07:36.700 Correct.

00:07:37.160 How did he come to that?

00:07:39.540 Well, he's a man of tremendous integrity and principle.

00:07:42.620 And the more you're around someone like that...

00:07:44.940 I mean, this is a farmer from California who is as down-to-earth as can be

00:07:51.380 and, you know, unassuming, but he's so effective and he's so smart

00:07:57.700 and, again, tremendous integrity and principle.

00:08:01.720 And to him, there was no debate in my mind.

00:08:04.500 He always told us just follow it and he will provide us the cover.

00:08:08.400 Go after the truth, okay?

00:08:10.280 And that's what we did.

00:08:11.240 Did you ever get pushback from Paul Ryan in the Speaker's office?

00:08:14.940 In those days in 2017?

00:08:16.980 Yes, we did.

00:08:18.820 We wanted to do subpoenas.

00:08:21.740 We wanted to do referrals, criminal referrals.

00:08:25.040 And there was always a challenge, you know, from the Speaker's office.

00:08:30.560 Why do you think that was?

00:08:33.580 Well, why was Speaker Ryan one of the first people to get, you know,

00:08:39.520 the Russia hoax documents, you know, in the first place, the dossier, okay?

00:08:50.580 Why was he one of the first ones?

00:08:52.320 And why didn't we find out about that until far, far, you know,

00:08:57.200 beyond when it could have been relevant to helping us understand

00:08:59.880 how to navigate what was going on?

00:09:01.800 Why was McCain involved?

00:09:03.360 Why was our Senate Intelligence Committee Republican staff involved in this cover-up

00:09:09.000 and, you know, consistently involved in covering up and protecting the institutions?

00:09:15.460 There's such a collaborative relationship there between,

00:09:19.260 and sometimes I wondered what is it that they have on our congressmen and our senators

00:09:25.000 that causes them to, you know, shirk their real responsibility to protect this country?

00:09:32.300 Because this, in my view at the time, was, you know, an outlandish effort to undermine an elected president.

00:09:41.540 You could disagree with him, but it was so shocking to me because I had served Obama.

00:09:45.940 I had served Bush.

00:09:46.960 I had served Clinton as a United States Army officer

00:09:49.900 and then later as a senior defense intelligence officer.

00:09:53.080 And I was naive for too many decades, you know,

00:09:57.420 because there are actors like this that are only thinking about themselves,

00:10:03.180 their next job, their profit when they get out

00:10:07.040 and they line up with a defense contractor or some lobbying firm,

00:10:10.720 and they're raking in hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars.

00:10:14.920 That's the root of the problem here.

00:10:17.700 Are some of those people who aren't famous, whose names aren't well-known,

00:10:22.260 are some of them still working in these committees

00:10:24.900 and around the intelligence community today?

00:10:28.180 We have dozens and dozens of people that are loyalists to Brennan

00:10:34.100 that did bad things that were part of the ICA

00:10:37.480 or part of some of the other things.

00:10:40.000 I can't go into now because it's still not out,

00:10:42.660 and there's more that still come out.

00:10:44.720 But, you know, they are still at D&I in senior positions

00:10:47.940 at the National Intelligence Council, still working over there.

00:10:51.960 You know, and Director Gabbard has her work cut out for her

00:10:55.380 as well as John Radcliffe because these institutions didn't just happen overnight.

00:11:02.900 They've groomed and developed a political class at the CIA,

00:11:07.860 at DIA even, which is a defense organization,

00:11:11.380 but it's overwhelmingly civilian.

00:11:13.660 And, you know, they know how to play the game amongst themselves,

00:11:17.540 help with promotions, not cause any ripples in the pond,

00:11:22.460 and let's get along, go along, and we'll all be taken care of.

00:11:27.340 That is a remarkable betrayal.

00:11:30.520 It's a selfish betrayal that you're describing.

00:11:33.300 And, you know, in these investigations,

00:11:38.300 was there a key moment where you looked at the facts and said,

00:11:41.700 well, this is it.

00:11:42.460 This is really what's going to allow us to cut through the obstruction of Paul Ryan

00:11:46.800 or the bad behavior of Senate staffers.

00:11:50.380 You know, this is the thing that's going to really show the American people.

00:11:53.480 Well, I was always disappointed because we thought we had...

00:11:57.840 Every day.

00:11:58.460 Good information and new insights,

00:12:01.440 whether we were unraveling things with the Perkins Coy Law Firm

00:12:04.680 and, you know, the work that they helped in contracting for the Steele dossier,

00:12:11.860 what, you know, we'd uncovered about Lisa Monaco

00:12:14.900 and, you know, Director Ray and others and what they were doing.

00:12:20.780 But we were always disappointed.

00:12:22.460 Then we had hopes in the Durham investigation.

00:12:24.820 And, you know, we worked with them and we tried to help them.

00:12:29.360 But at the end of the day, even, you know, Special Prosecutor Durham,

00:12:32.980 you know, when he was asked, you know,

00:12:35.760 what recommendations do you have in order to fix the system,

00:12:40.080 whether it's FISA abuse or other things,

00:12:42.420 he said, we have the laws, we have the policies and the regulations.

00:12:47.700 I'm paraphrasing.

00:12:48.880 What we don't have are leaders with integrity

00:12:51.860 that are going to follow the law, hold people accountable,

00:12:55.240 and protect this constitutional republic.

00:12:59.120 And if you don't have the right people in place,

00:13:01.380 it doesn't matter how many laws you put on there.

00:13:04.620 And I remember a Supreme Court judge, I think it was Scalia,

00:13:08.340 who said, you know, that the Soviet Union

00:13:11.620 had one of the best constitutions

00:13:14.900 for protecting all of the liberties and freedoms,

00:13:17.160 if you just looked at it.

00:13:18.540 It was probably better than ours.

00:13:20.900 But it's all about the people.

00:13:23.660 And I think it was John Adams who said something like,

00:13:27.120 you know, our Constitution's good and it will survive,

00:13:31.820 but only if you have moral and righteous people

00:13:34.440 in government to make it work.

00:13:38.500 And that's what we're missing.

00:13:39.760 And I think that's what Charlie Kirk was trying to bring,

00:13:42.600 a rebirth to, you know, morality and deep knowledge

00:13:46.900 about our Constitution and our founding principles

00:13:49.360 and about the importance of, you know,

00:13:53.960 deep-seated, deep-rooted religious principles.

00:13:58.280 The other thing Charlie was so focused on

00:14:01.020 that I think we will see the fruit of years down the road,

00:14:06.080 vertically integrating that type of human infrastructure

00:14:10.380 so that you've got good people,

00:14:12.700 not just at the top political levels

00:14:14.860 when a Republican administration

00:14:16.440 or an America First administration comes in,

00:14:20.380 but that you're inspiring people

00:14:22.000 into some of those career positions.

00:14:23.720 Because it seems a natural advantage the left has

00:14:27.100 is we are critical of government.

00:14:29.960 They worship government at times.

00:14:32.800 And so it's easier for them to draw

00:14:34.480 some of their most talented operatives

00:14:37.300 into congressional staffing positions,

00:14:41.260 into some of these key agencies.

00:14:43.660 Charlie wanted to see us do that

00:14:45.760 with a lot of young people

00:14:47.020 who felt the patriotic call now.

00:14:49.180 Did you find in your time in government

00:14:52.020 kind of surrounded by people

00:14:54.000 who worshipped the enterprise,

00:14:56.300 whether they were, you know,

00:14:57.980 from Republican administrations or Democrat ones?

00:15:00.500 Not in the military,

00:15:01.780 but I found it in organizations

00:15:04.020 like Defense Intelligence Agency or CIA.

00:15:07.740 If you look at their recruiting,

00:15:09.100 even in the last 10 years, 12 years,

00:15:11.280 it has been so focused on bringing in

00:15:14.380 like-minded liberal leftist-leaning political types

00:15:18.320 and an active effort.

00:15:21.260 And we looked at this

00:15:21.980 on the House Permanent Select Committee of Intelligence,

00:15:25.620 the active effort to push out, you know,

00:15:28.620 white males, for example,

00:15:30.140 conservatives, people that belonged

00:15:31.800 to National Rifle Association and things.

00:15:34.100 They didn't want to recruit

00:15:35.080 that type of person either.

00:15:36.680 How would they push those folks out?

00:15:38.720 Not give them the jobs they wanted.

00:15:41.560 They wouldn't get promotions.

00:15:43.440 They wouldn't be asked to participate

00:15:45.720 in good projects or go on recruitment.

00:15:49.240 And they'd get the message subtly

00:15:50.880 but very clearly, you know,

00:15:52.700 that their services were no longer wanted.

00:15:55.460 So why stay where you're not wanted?

00:15:58.080 You go out and you work for a contractor

00:15:59.720 or go do something else with another company.

00:16:02.940 And, you know, you're high,

00:16:04.680 you have high qualities,

00:16:06.240 you have integrity,

00:16:07.440 you've got skills that have been developed

00:16:09.180 over the years.

00:16:10.560 The government's invested a lot.

00:16:12.240 They're very marketable.

00:16:13.480 So that's what would happen.

00:16:14.880 But it creates a brain drain

00:16:16.580 and a values drain.

00:16:18.360 Absolutely.

00:16:18.980 Out of these key institutions.

00:16:21.040 And I think that like one rub the populists

00:16:24.300 have had with the libertarians on the right

00:16:26.700 is the libertarians are always just trying

00:16:28.720 to make government smaller

00:16:30.120 and the government has grown larger.

00:16:32.420 It is more involved in our lives

00:16:33.860 and we haven't been as focused

00:16:35.200 on the things government can and must do

00:16:38.520 to improve our lives.

00:16:39.580 So can we recapture these entities

00:16:42.220 that have been drained of patriots

00:16:44.060 and captured by the law?

00:16:46.020 If we get this administration

00:16:47.420 to work on actually recruiting good people

00:16:50.560 and retaining good people,

00:16:52.040 and part of that is going to be delivering

00:16:54.220 on accountability for the wrongdoing,

00:16:57.460 but also part of it is

00:16:59.100 when the Trump administration

00:17:01.280 went out of power in January of 21,

00:17:05.020 there were no job offers

00:17:07.380 for most of the administrative people.

00:17:10.600 Matter of fact, they were blacklisted.

00:17:12.460 There was lawfare directed against them.

00:17:14.460 But if you're a Democrat,

00:17:16.060 you wind up,

00:17:17.180 whether you're qualified or not,

00:17:18.840 whether you can deliver the goods or not,

00:17:21.160 you get a cushy job at a think tank,

00:17:24.840 at an NGO,

00:17:26.380 at an international organization.

00:17:28.200 You get put on the speaking circuit.

00:17:30.660 You wind up with a platform someplace,

00:17:33.040 maybe with a startup.

00:17:35.600 You might not know anything about,

00:17:37.580 you know, artificial intelligence,

00:17:39.440 but you get the job

00:17:40.620 because you were one of the chosen.

00:17:44.700 Is there like a grand organizing scheme

00:17:47.540 that executes that plan?

00:17:50.040 And how do we get one?

00:17:52.080 Well, you know, it's a good question

00:17:55.260 because, you know,

00:17:56.160 we're always behind the curve.

00:17:57.720 They had ActBlue.

00:17:58.780 We took a long time to get WinRed.

00:18:00.680 But, you know,

00:18:02.260 we need to get ahead of the game.

00:18:06.080 And, you know,

00:18:06.640 just on something as simple as,

00:18:08.660 you know,

00:18:09.360 how do we go after Antifa?

00:18:11.700 They've had the Southern Poverty Law Center

00:18:14.040 for a long time

00:18:15.640 investigating, demonizing,

00:18:18.660 and fabricating information

00:18:20.100 and even putting Turning Point USA

00:18:22.080 on their list

00:18:23.060 as, you know,

00:18:24.220 an extremist group.

00:18:25.180 A hate group.

00:18:25.880 Oh, my gosh.

00:18:27.780 Talk about someone

00:18:28.640 who was genuine

00:18:29.660 and was sympathetic

00:18:32.100 and compassionate,

00:18:34.680 you know,

00:18:35.340 regardless of race

00:18:37.160 or sexual orientation.

00:18:39.200 Charlie Kirk and TPUSA

00:18:40.740 was that.

00:18:42.440 But we need,

00:18:43.600 you know,

00:18:44.460 outside of government,

00:18:46.120 investigative research organizations

00:18:48.520 that are going to lay out Antifa,

00:18:51.440 that have the knowledge,

00:18:52.820 the expertise,

00:18:54.320 and the resources

00:18:55.720 to build an understanding

00:18:58.380 so that we can help government

00:18:59.820 do its job, okay?

00:19:02.220 And to inform the media

00:19:03.800 and to inform the public

00:19:05.420 in a way

00:19:06.300 with accurate, objective,

00:19:09.400 data-supported information,

00:19:11.180 unlike, you know,

00:19:12.280 the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:19:14.360 We have a resource

00:19:17.440 in Elon Musk

00:19:19.260 on the right now

00:19:19.900 that we've never had before,

00:19:21.100 and I think that,

00:19:22.120 you know,

00:19:22.380 utilizing that resource,

00:19:23.840 that talent,

00:19:24.580 that intellect

00:19:25.140 to build out

00:19:26.640 these ways

00:19:27.600 to credential people

00:19:28.800 on our side,

00:19:29.680 maybe when we're not in power,

00:19:31.380 but also to support

00:19:32.460 those systems

00:19:33.200 to pursue the truth

00:19:35.100 would be a good way

00:19:36.920 to direct that.

00:19:37.640 And I know

00:19:37.980 that was something

00:19:38.620 that Charlie Kirk

00:19:39.660 was in the process

00:19:40.720 of building out

00:19:41.520 in those relationships.

00:19:42.500 You mentioned the media.

00:19:44.860 This was the moment

00:19:45.700 for me, Colonel Harvey,

00:19:47.080 when we learned

00:19:48.300 that the Department of Justice

00:19:50.820 leaked information

00:19:52.440 to Michael Isikoff,

00:19:54.100 a left-wing journalist,

00:19:56.080 and then used the article

00:19:58.920 that they, you know,

00:20:00.940 cajoled into existence

00:20:02.260 as a basis

00:20:03.320 to spy on President Trump.

00:20:05.180 Like, you don't have

00:20:06.020 to be a brilliant cataloger

00:20:09.440 of the deep state

00:20:11.000 to know that it's just

00:20:11.800 fundamentally unfair.

00:20:13.640 And then we saw it, like,

00:20:14.560 over and over again

00:20:15.980 where these people

00:20:17.160 at FBI, DOJ, CIA

00:20:19.060 really were becoming

00:20:20.480 information operatives

00:20:22.100 with the media

00:20:23.240 as much as they were

00:20:24.220 trying to keep

00:20:24.840 the country safe

00:20:25.640 or develop facts

00:20:26.580 and apply them to the law.

00:20:28.220 Where do you think

00:20:28.900 we are in that trajectory

00:20:30.600 of kind of blending

00:20:31.740 intelligence work

00:20:33.580 and criminal work

00:20:35.060 with just straight-up propaganda?

00:20:37.220 Well, there's such

00:20:39.340 a symbiotic relationship

00:20:40.740 from the deep state

00:20:42.340 if you look at

00:20:43.280 what they were doing

00:20:44.020 for the last 10 years.

00:20:45.840 You know, the leaking

00:20:46.600 of information,

00:20:47.820 the sharing of information,

00:20:49.580 family relationships,

00:20:51.660 the husband working at it,

00:20:53.980 the FBI,

00:20:55.160 the wife working

00:20:56.060 for ABC News.

00:20:57.360 Or you got Peter Strzok,

00:20:59.380 you know,

00:21:00.300 and his wife

00:21:01.240 being chief of enforcement,

00:21:02.960 you know,

00:21:03.780 over, you know,

00:21:04.840 at the Securities

00:21:05.940 and Exchange Commission.

00:21:07.380 You've got a lot of that

00:21:08.500 going on in D.C.

00:21:10.620 or being at a think tank

00:21:12.120 with the husband or wife

00:21:13.320 being in another organization.

00:21:15.820 And so the information float.

00:21:17.660 It's also, you know,

00:21:18.680 flowing in terms

00:21:19.640 of insider trading,

00:21:20.900 which makes being

00:21:21.980 on the Hill

00:21:22.540 or in some of these entities

00:21:24.280 a very profitable venue.

00:21:26.880 That's how people

00:21:27.600 survive here, you know.

00:21:29.520 And fortunately,

00:21:30.680 we've got a lot of,

00:21:32.120 you know...

00:21:32.220 So not just Congress.

00:21:33.340 You're saying insider trading

00:21:34.520 in the administrative state

00:21:35.540 as well.

00:21:35.840 In the administrative state

00:21:36.860 as well.

00:21:37.580 How does that work?

00:21:39.340 Well,

00:21:40.000 if you're working

00:21:41.220 in an intelligence agency

00:21:42.540 and you've got a family member,

00:21:44.160 a wife,

00:21:45.220 working under a different name,

00:21:47.420 the connections

00:21:48.200 usually aren't made.

00:21:49.480 And there's not

00:21:50.200 an aggressive posture

00:21:51.460 by DOJ,

00:21:52.640 the FBI,

00:21:53.680 or the SEC,

00:21:54.720 or others

00:21:55.200 to go after

00:21:56.220 those that are

00:21:57.120 in their movement.

00:21:58.340 They are very eager

00:21:59.380 to go after conservatives,

00:22:02.020 as you know.

00:22:02.700 And it doesn't

00:22:04.120 have to be

00:22:05.380 legitimate.

00:22:07.240 They can put you

00:22:07.900 through the ringer,

00:22:09.240 run up the cost.

00:22:10.220 Just look at what

00:22:10.780 they did to Mike Flynn.

00:22:11.760 I'll just go back

00:22:12.420 because he's a good

00:22:13.500 friend of mine.

00:22:14.060 It's a great example.

00:22:16.660 They knew

00:22:17.660 by the intercept

00:22:19.480 of his conversation

00:22:20.800 when he was on vacation

00:22:21.940 with Ambassador Kislyak

00:22:23.200 that he had not

00:22:24.440 violated one thing.

00:22:26.120 But they made

00:22:26.940 the assertion

00:22:27.740 and the assistant

00:22:29.020 attorney general

00:22:29.920 went over

00:22:30.600 and briefed

00:22:32.020 Rance Priebus,

00:22:32.960 the chief of staff,

00:22:34.500 and the vice

00:22:35.560 president's office

00:22:36.500 and told them

00:22:38.520 that Mike had lied

00:22:40.340 and he might be vulnerable

00:22:41.560 and that what he had

00:22:42.820 represented to them

00:22:43.880 about the conversation

00:22:44.920 was not true.

00:22:46.600 The FBI

00:22:47.560 sent two people

00:22:48.920 over there,

00:22:50.360 okay,

00:22:51.120 Peter Strzok

00:22:52.380 and Joe Pientka.

00:22:54.940 They had the interview

00:22:56.160 and Mike even said,

00:22:58.160 you likely have

00:22:59.500 the intercept.

00:23:01.320 You tell me,

00:23:02.500 but I don't think

00:23:03.240 I said anything.

00:23:04.160 I'm paraphrasing.

00:23:06.520 No one asked

00:23:07.960 in the vice president's office

00:23:09.340 to my knowledge

00:23:10.460 or Rance Priebus,

00:23:11.900 let me actually look

00:23:13.160 at the transcript.

00:23:15.200 Which was totally benign.

00:23:16.760 Which was totally benign.

00:23:18.120 I've read it.

00:23:18.160 It was nothing.

00:23:19.440 And then they went

00:23:20.700 after his kid.

00:23:22.720 They went after his lawyers.

00:23:24.640 They pressured

00:23:25.560 Mike Flynn's lawyers

00:23:27.020 to force him

00:23:27.940 into a plea deal

00:23:29.500 in order,

00:23:31.460 and the threat was,

00:23:32.360 we will release a far,

00:23:34.320 we'll stop our far

00:23:35.460 investigation

00:23:36.320 of your law firm

00:23:37.720 if you can get

00:23:40.760 Mike Flynn

00:23:41.560 to plead guilty

00:23:42.980 and also we're

00:23:43.740 pressuring his son too.

00:23:45.540 That process

00:23:46.780 of threatening the lawyers,

00:23:48.720 baiting the lawyers,

00:23:49.780 putting a carrot

00:23:51.400 in front of the lawyers.

00:23:52.460 It is a pattern

00:23:53.420 that repeated

00:23:54.080 when they were going

00:23:55.580 after President Trump

00:23:56.500 recently.

00:23:57.040 They were trying

00:23:57.840 to get Walt Nata,

00:23:59.340 the wonderful

00:24:00.500 personal aide

00:24:01.220 to President Trump,

00:24:02.380 to say things

00:24:03.060 that weren't true

00:24:03.800 to implicate the president.

00:24:05.520 And a method

00:24:06.240 they used

00:24:06.900 was telling

00:24:07.720 his lawyer

00:24:08.980 that he had

00:24:09.700 an opportunity

00:24:10.220 to be a federal judge

00:24:11.440 if he were to

00:24:13.100 convert the testimony

00:24:14.720 of his client.

00:24:16.100 Untruthfully,

00:24:16.700 and fortunately,

00:24:17.460 that lawyer,

00:24:17.880 Stanley Woodward,

00:24:18.520 did the right thing,

00:24:19.460 the thing

00:24:21.400 that integrity

00:24:22.020 would call him to do

00:24:23.040 and rejected that

00:24:24.380 and called it out.

00:24:25.280 But you wonder

00:24:26.380 how often

00:24:27.140 that happens

00:24:27.720 every day in America

00:24:28.760 where the person

00:24:29.880 who's supposed

00:24:30.220 to be fighting

00:24:30.800 for you

00:24:31.380 themselves

00:24:32.060 gets corrupted

00:24:33.720 into not representing

00:24:34.960 your interests.

00:24:36.640 I'm so excited

00:24:37.700 when we get

00:24:38.140 our Merriweather Farm

00:24:39.020 shipments in.

00:24:39.740 You get a beautiful

00:24:40.740 piece of ribeye.

00:24:41.620 Look at that marbling.

00:24:43.160 Now, I take it

00:24:43.940 out of the package,

00:24:45.140 let it get down

00:24:45.680 to room temperature.

00:24:46.340 All I've got on here

00:24:47.520 is a little salt,

00:24:48.700 a little pepper,

00:24:49.580 and then a little

00:24:49.920 avocado oil.

00:24:51.080 And then I've had my pan

00:24:52.200 preheating with a little oil.

00:25:00.120 Head to

00:25:00.820 merriweatherfarms.com

00:25:02.140 and enter promo code

00:25:03.220 MATTG

00:25:04.040 for 15% off

00:25:05.340 your first order.

00:25:06.540 Far too often,

00:25:07.720 I'm afraid.

00:25:08.760 And so,

00:25:09.180 that's one reason

00:25:10.180 that I've always

00:25:11.200 been a little sympathetic

00:25:12.220 to prison reform

00:25:14.280 and things like that.

00:25:15.240 But what has happened

00:25:16.840 in this country

00:25:17.540 with district attorneys

00:25:19.160 that have been supported

00:25:20.420 by the open society

00:25:22.840 funded by Soros

00:25:24.960 and the like,

00:25:26.240 it's gone way too far

00:25:28.200 because we've lost

00:25:29.940 all accountability

00:25:30.700 on our streets.

00:25:32.080 And I think the president

00:25:32.840 is trying to get on top

00:25:33.820 of that by coming

00:25:34.860 into Washington, D.C.

00:25:35.980 and elsewhere.

00:25:36.780 It is so nice

00:25:37.500 being here in Washington

00:25:38.660 now with no concern

00:25:40.520 that some band

00:25:41.860 of hoodlums

00:25:42.440 isn't going to come

00:25:43.200 and try to carjack you

00:25:45.140 or take your wallet.

00:25:46.380 It really is,

00:25:48.000 I hope it does

00:25:48.960 give people hope

00:25:49.780 throughout the country

00:25:50.740 that they don't have

00:25:51.440 to live under fear

00:25:53.020 of their personal safety.

00:25:54.960 But back to now

00:25:56.380 the evolution

00:25:57.540 of these facts

00:25:58.340 that you developed.

00:25:59.980 We see the Trump administration

00:26:01.780 come back into power

00:26:02.940 and right away

00:26:04.480 you see Tulsi Gabbard

00:26:05.920 get on some pretty

00:26:06.820 critical releases.

00:26:07.620 to me the most

00:26:09.800 important thing

00:26:10.620 we got

00:26:11.320 was the real look

00:26:12.900 into that

00:26:13.800 December 9 meeting

00:26:15.100 where President Obama

00:26:16.580 has lost the election

00:26:18.600 he was the closer

00:26:20.520 for Hillary Clinton

00:26:21.660 and now they have

00:26:23.520 to deal with

00:26:24.380 the eventuality

00:26:25.760 of President Trump

00:26:26.440 coming into office

00:26:27.200 and they decide

00:26:28.380 the way they're going

00:26:29.060 to deal with that

00:26:29.760 is to hobble him

00:26:30.840 with these allegations

00:26:32.080 of connections to Russia.

00:26:33.840 There weren't any

00:26:34.620 people in the IC

00:26:35.840 were saying

00:26:37.500 that this was nonsense

00:26:39.260 but yet Clapper

00:26:40.500 and Brennan

00:26:41.140 were directing it

00:26:42.200 to be created anyway.

00:26:43.920 I didn't really know

00:26:45.880 the extent to which

00:26:46.860 it was Obama

00:26:47.960 not some outer layer

00:26:49.360 of Obama war

00:26:50.180 but really Obama

00:26:51.280 who did it

00:26:51.920 and I also

00:26:53.040 have to say

00:26:54.040 I was heartened

00:26:55.700 that there at least

00:26:56.340 were some people

00:26:57.560 in the CIA

00:26:58.860 and in the intelligence

00:27:00.120 community

00:27:00.520 who were saying

00:27:00.940 this is total garbage

00:27:03.420 we can't be doing this

00:27:04.820 how did you read

00:27:06.680 that disclosure

00:27:07.680 and how did it

00:27:09.020 vindicate

00:27:09.540 all the toil

00:27:11.240 that you and Cash

00:27:12.140 and Devin

00:27:12.580 were working on?

00:27:13.480 Well on December 8th

00:27:15.420 there was going

00:27:16.060 December 8th

00:27:17.060 of 2016

00:27:18.040 there was going

00:27:19.200 to be a PDB

00:27:20.100 Presidential Daily

00:27:21.040 Book Item

00:27:21.700 briefing item

00:27:22.500 that was going

00:27:23.760 to say that

00:27:24.360 there had not been

00:27:25.340 on toward Russian

00:27:26.440 influence

00:27:26.840 and definitely

00:27:27.420 not in favor

00:27:28.540 of President-elect Trump

00:27:31.860 and they stopped that

00:27:33.740 and the next day

00:27:34.420 they had their meeting

00:27:35.380 and the decision

00:27:37.560 was that they would

00:27:38.360 have an intelligence

00:27:39.500 community assessment

00:27:40.600 and that morning

00:27:43.320 the Washington Post

00:27:44.600 and the New York Times

00:27:45.540 published based upon

00:27:47.680 intelligence sources

00:27:49.900 that Russia

00:27:52.200 Putin

00:27:53.560 had supported

00:27:55.080 the election

00:27:56.740 and had made a difference

00:27:58.620 in getting Trump elected

00:28:00.640 now this is

00:28:01.740 while their meeting

00:28:02.740 did commission

00:28:04.420 this intelligence

00:28:05.400 community assessment

00:28:06.300 they had already

00:28:07.100 decided what the outcome

00:28:08.480 was going to be

00:28:09.300 and it was being briefed

00:28:10.600 to their media outlets

00:28:12.280 okay

00:28:12.740 so that's a big tell

00:28:14.180 right there

00:28:14.760 and I was not aware

00:28:15.760 of that data point

00:28:16.960 but what Devin Nunes

00:28:19.340 did

00:28:19.860 is

00:28:21.000 he tasked

00:28:23.740 a team

00:28:25.060 to go over

00:28:26.960 to the intelligence

00:28:28.140 at Langley

00:28:30.540 to get into a vault there

00:28:32.500 and to work for months

00:28:34.340 and months

00:28:34.920 going through

00:28:35.700 all of the information

00:28:37.260 that was used

00:28:38.660 in that intelligence

00:28:39.460 community assessment

00:28:40.360 and look at every source

00:28:42.120 and every document

00:28:43.160 and make a determination

00:28:44.800 about reliability

00:28:46.060 and validity

00:28:47.000 and then identify those

00:28:49.600 that were questionable

00:28:50.420 and some of those

00:28:51.320 were cooked up

00:28:52.700 and changed

00:28:53.820 in order to make them

00:28:54.780 look better

00:28:55.460 than they really were

00:28:56.460 they also looked

00:28:58.240 for information

00:28:59.780 that they had

00:29:01.180 available to them

00:29:02.360 that they decided

00:29:03.280 not to use

00:29:04.120 and the bottom line

00:29:05.240 there is

00:29:05.840 they cooked some

00:29:06.940 intelligence

00:29:07.420 to make it look

00:29:08.380 bad

00:29:09.240 and then they

00:29:10.260 refused to include

00:29:12.240 all of the

00:29:13.440 exculpatory stuff

00:29:14.840 that was outlined

00:29:16.120 in that report

00:29:16.960 and that report

00:29:17.740 was done

00:29:18.800 because Devin Nunes

00:29:20.220 had tasked

00:29:21.040 a small team

00:29:21.900 to go over

00:29:22.620 and work for months

00:29:23.620 and months on that

00:29:24.500 and that was completed

00:29:26.220 you know

00:29:26.980 while Devin was there

00:29:28.120 but it never saw

00:29:30.180 the light of day

00:29:31.040 until Tulsi Gabbard

00:29:32.640 was able to get it out

00:29:34.540 and she explained it

00:29:35.580 so well

00:29:36.000 why didn't it get out

00:29:36.340 earlier

00:29:36.640 well

00:29:37.900 the results

00:29:39.580 at one point in time

00:29:40.740 had been briefed

00:29:42.140 to you know

00:29:43.220 CIA Director Pompeo

00:29:45.080 and then later

00:29:45.680 his successor

00:29:46.400 and both of them

00:29:49.120 buried it

00:29:50.040 that's my read on it

00:29:52.300 and we could never

00:29:53.420 get it out

00:29:54.000 and we were not

00:29:54.720 allowed to take it

00:29:55.440 out of the vault

00:29:55.940 why do you think

00:29:55.960 Pompeo would bury that

00:29:57.160 I think he passed

00:29:59.200 the buck

00:29:59.640 and I would only

00:30:01.580 do you think

00:30:01.740 he was protecting

00:30:02.440 people in the

00:30:03.360 intelligence community

00:30:04.080 who had done

00:30:04.500 bad things

00:30:05.000 I think he

00:30:05.960 my speculation

00:30:07.280 is that he was

00:30:08.440 looking at his

00:30:09.080 own career path

00:30:10.100 well he's done

00:30:12.180 quite well for himself

00:30:13.100 maybe was a bad

00:30:14.900 decision because

00:30:15.660 he had presidential

00:30:16.740 aspirations

00:30:17.480 so what can you

00:30:19.960 say

00:30:20.200 but I think

00:30:21.900 it really speaks

00:30:22.840 to that dynamic

00:30:24.120 that you described

00:30:25.540 earlier

00:30:25.940 where people

00:30:26.720 become so

00:30:27.900 beholden

00:30:29.860 to the system

00:30:30.580 that they can

00:30:31.740 jettison the truth

00:30:33.080 in service of

00:30:33.880 that system

00:30:34.480 because they know

00:30:35.440 that that system

00:30:36.080 will be there

00:30:36.660 for them

00:30:37.020 do you think

00:30:38.100 Mike Pompeo

00:30:38.820 was captive

00:30:39.320 to that

00:30:39.780 maybe too ambitious

00:30:41.460 what about

00:30:42.220 Paul Ryan

00:30:42.740 captive to that

00:30:43.660 oppositional

00:30:46.200 to the president

00:30:47.960 part of a

00:30:48.760 different way

00:30:49.480 of looking at

00:30:50.020 how the world

00:30:50.600 should work

00:30:51.500 like Boehner

00:30:52.880 and Devin Nunes

00:30:54.120 I'll go back

00:30:54.720 to you know

00:30:55.340 he was part

00:30:57.520 of that club

00:30:58.300 he was anointed

00:30:59.200 he was going

00:30:59.960 to be the chairman

00:31:01.140 of the most

00:31:01.840 powerful ways

00:31:03.080 and means committee

00:31:04.020 okay

00:31:04.720 and then he

00:31:05.940 started to go

00:31:06.660 sideways

00:31:07.440 with the

00:31:08.180 establishment

00:31:08.720 on the hill

00:31:10.240 and he had

00:31:11.500 no support

00:31:12.140 from our

00:31:12.600 Senate Republicans

00:31:13.780 on the Senate

00:31:15.140 Intelligence Committee

00:31:16.080 it was oppositional

00:31:17.440 you know

00:31:18.340 it wasn't until

00:31:19.320 we turned the corner

00:31:20.300 and I think

00:31:21.120 for many of them

00:31:22.080 not until this

00:31:23.220 ICA

00:31:24.020 and the other

00:31:24.840 hundred documents

00:31:25.720 were released

00:31:26.520 and the releases

00:31:27.220 by John Radcliffe

00:31:29.160 which if you look

00:31:29.940 at the totality

00:31:30.780 of it all

00:31:31.340 and we could

00:31:31.980 spend hours

00:31:32.720 going through it

00:31:33.540 but I think

00:31:34.940 it all proves

00:31:35.520 my point

00:31:36.120 I would do that

00:31:37.360 with you Colonel Harvey

00:31:38.120 I would spend

00:31:38.860 hours going through

00:31:39.640 it because

00:31:39.960 I think it's

00:31:42.040 kind of the

00:31:42.460 original sin

00:31:43.380 of a lot

00:31:44.380 of the things

00:31:44.960 that we've seen

00:31:45.660 since

00:31:46.100 a lot of

00:31:47.060 the censorship

00:31:47.760 a lot of

00:31:48.880 the deplatforming

00:31:50.380 a lot of

00:31:51.420 a lot of

00:31:51.820 what you saw

00:31:52.260 after January 6

00:31:53.160 and the targeting

00:31:53.840 I think it all

00:31:54.900 emerged because

00:31:55.860 like in a way

00:31:57.200 they got away

00:31:58.120 with it

00:31:58.560 with the Russia

00:31:59.280 hoax

00:31:59.640 because while

00:32:00.120 they didn't

00:32:00.620 convict Trump

00:32:01.580 or impeach Trump

00:32:02.560 it was

00:32:03.820 a terrible

00:32:05.320 distraction

00:32:05.980 and by the way

00:32:06.700 you see it

00:32:07.180 when you compare

00:32:07.640 these two

00:32:08.000 administrations

00:32:08.780 for all the

00:32:09.520 complaints

00:32:09.920 people can have

00:32:10.860 about this

00:32:11.620 cabinet member

00:32:12.360 that one

00:32:13.120 not wearing

00:32:14.240 the color

00:32:15.120 superhero cape

00:32:16.160 they want

00:32:16.700 on a given

00:32:17.360 day

00:32:17.640 you and I

00:32:18.940 are talking

00:32:19.340 about days

00:32:19.880 when a

00:32:20.120 substantial

00:32:20.480 amount

00:32:20.760 of the

00:32:20.960 cabinet

00:32:21.220 would have

00:32:21.480 liked to

00:32:21.740 have seen

00:32:22.000 Donald Trump

00:32:22.540 in jail

00:32:23.080 now we're

00:32:24.580 mad that

00:32:24.980 Senate

00:32:25.180 Republicans

00:32:25.640 aren't

00:32:26.040 approving

00:32:26.800 the ambassador

00:32:27.400 to Columbia

00:32:28.040 fast enough

00:32:28.740 but then

00:32:29.620 Senate

00:32:29.920 Republicans

00:32:30.360 were saying

00:32:30.880 Donald Trump

00:32:31.360 might have

00:32:31.700 to be impeached

00:32:32.480 as a result

00:32:33.360 of this

00:32:33.680 so it is

00:32:34.600 progress

00:32:34.980 they went

00:32:35.440 along

00:32:35.660 with the

00:32:35.940 Mueller

00:32:36.160 thing

00:32:36.540 which is

00:32:36.880 part of

00:32:37.340 what I

00:32:37.900 call

00:32:38.160 this

00:32:38.460 conspiracy

00:32:39.100 to

00:32:39.460 undermine

00:32:40.300 a duly

00:32:41.300 elected

00:32:41.660 president

00:32:42.120 and then

00:32:42.820 we had

00:32:43.140 to deal

00:32:43.480 with people

00:32:43.980 like

00:32:44.320 Secretary

00:32:45.720 of Defense

00:32:46.160 Mattis

00:32:46.640 or Tillerson

00:32:47.220 who were

00:32:47.600 oppositional

00:32:48.300 to most

00:32:49.160 things

00:32:49.480 that the

00:32:49.760 president

00:32:50.100 wanted to

00:32:50.720 do

00:32:50.940 and then

00:32:51.560 the same

00:32:51.940 thing

00:32:52.200 with

00:32:52.460 National Security

00:32:53.180 Advisor

00:32:53.580 McMaster

00:32:54.180 who came

00:32:55.020 in

00:32:55.300 saying

00:32:55.960 that he

00:32:56.300 understood

00:32:56.740 where the

00:32:57.220 president

00:32:57.500 wanted to

00:32:58.020 go

00:32:58.260 but his

00:32:59.220 first meeting

00:32:59.780 with the

00:33:00.020 national security

00:33:00.620 staff

00:33:01.020 said

00:33:01.260 there's

00:33:01.720 no such

00:33:02.120 thing

00:33:02.340 as radical

00:33:02.900 Islam

00:33:03.500 we need

00:33:04.820 the decision

00:33:05.720 on pulling

00:33:06.560 out of

00:33:06.800 the Pacific

00:33:07.160 Trade

00:33:07.520 Agreement

00:33:07.900 was wrong

00:33:09.060 climate

00:33:09.740 decision

00:33:10.480 is wrong

00:33:11.680 moving

00:33:12.220 the embassy

00:33:12.760 is wrong

00:33:14.220 you start

00:33:15.320 going through

00:33:15.760 these things

00:33:16.320 and you go

00:33:16.780 why did

00:33:17.680 you agree

00:33:18.100 to serve

00:33:18.600 well because

00:33:19.220 they thought

00:33:20.100 that Trump

00:33:20.900 was a condition

00:33:22.100 to be managed

00:33:23.120 they didn't

00:33:23.860 really see him

00:33:24.520 as the leader

00:33:25.100 of the executive

00:33:25.860 branch

00:33:26.420 they just

00:33:27.140 thought

00:33:27.460 let's give

00:33:28.120 him some

00:33:28.460 things to

00:33:28.920 tweet about

00:33:29.420 and do

00:33:29.740 and we'll

00:33:30.080 really be

00:33:30.440 the ones

00:33:30.880 who run

00:33:31.300 the government

00:33:31.780 and obviously

00:33:32.680 that led

00:33:33.200 to this

00:33:33.500 great

00:33:33.740 reckoning

00:33:34.800 so we've

00:33:36.220 talked about

00:33:36.620 that harm

00:33:37.000 with those

00:33:37.600 folks

00:33:37.900 I want to

00:33:38.620 get into

00:33:38.880 your assessment

00:33:39.420 of the team

00:33:40.220 we have

00:33:40.500 now

00:33:40.800 just because

00:33:41.460 you know

00:33:41.840 particularly

00:33:42.320 the FBI

00:33:42.780 director

00:33:43.100 well

00:33:43.380 I know

00:33:43.860 him well

00:33:44.260 but you

00:33:45.060 just know

00:33:45.420 him from

00:33:45.640 such a

00:33:46.000 different

00:33:46.260 vantage point

00:33:46.940 than the

00:33:47.240 country

00:33:47.520 now

00:33:47.880 because you

00:33:48.560 got to

00:33:48.920 see his

00:33:49.560 bravery

00:33:49.980 and his

00:33:50.660 incredible

00:33:51.060 work

00:33:51.440 alongside

00:33:52.400 yourself

00:33:53.140 and

00:33:53.500 Congressman

00:33:54.480 Nunes

00:33:54.860 what do

00:33:56.480 you make

00:33:56.920 of the

00:33:57.460 Cash

00:33:57.740 Patel

00:33:58.060 era

00:33:58.360 at FBI

00:33:58.840 I think

00:33:59.620 Cash

00:34:00.180 and Don

00:34:01.080 Pongino

00:34:01.560 have the

00:34:05.520 fire

00:34:05.860 in them

00:34:06.100 to get

00:34:07.460 to the

00:34:08.520 change

00:34:08.900 that's

00:34:09.220 needed

00:34:09.480 but

00:34:10.140 they're

00:34:10.520 dealing

00:34:10.860 with

00:34:11.100 institutional

00:34:12.400 malaise

00:34:13.800 and

00:34:14.480 opposition

00:34:15.180 that is

00:34:15.900 still

00:34:16.160 deep

00:34:16.480 rooted

00:34:16.780 and then

00:34:17.440 you still

00:34:17.820 have the

00:34:18.120 same

00:34:18.360 thing

00:34:18.600 at

00:34:18.760 DOJ

00:34:19.500 and we

00:34:20.360 need

00:34:20.740 not just

00:34:21.700 attorneys

00:34:22.280 but we

00:34:23.020 need

00:34:23.320 attorneys

00:34:24.240 that are

00:34:24.680 knowledgeable

00:34:25.120 and committed

00:34:26.020 to bringing

00:34:26.940 change

00:34:27.720 in fighting

00:34:28.580 an institution

00:34:29.540 that doesn't

00:34:30.240 want to

00:34:30.680 change

00:34:31.080 and you

00:34:31.860 also need

00:34:32.480 knowledge

00:34:33.040 and you

00:34:33.420 need good

00:34:33.820 investigators

00:34:34.500 and you

00:34:34.980 need

00:34:35.180 resources

00:34:35.740 you know

00:34:36.500 this from

00:34:36.900 being on

00:34:37.300 the hill

00:34:37.660 look at

00:34:38.440 what the

00:34:38.800 Democrats

00:34:39.180 did on

00:34:39.980 the January

00:34:40.500 6th

00:34:41.020 commission

00:34:41.340 it was

00:34:42.020 resourced

00:34:42.700 they went

00:34:43.140 out and

00:34:43.400 got

00:34:43.560 some of

00:34:44.180 the best

00:34:44.680 contractors

00:34:45.740 to do

00:34:46.220 the network

00:34:46.780 analysis

00:34:47.380 to do

00:34:48.180 the facial

00:34:48.700 recognition

00:34:49.300 it wasn't

00:34:50.080 just the

00:34:50.540 FBI

00:34:50.980 being asked

00:34:51.940 to do

00:34:52.260 it

00:34:52.420 they

00:34:52.920 staffed

00:34:53.520 up

00:34:53.720 they

00:34:53.940 resourced

00:34:54.660 and they

00:34:54.980 got what

00:34:55.420 they needed

00:34:55.980 and they

00:34:56.740 went after

00:34:57.480 it

00:34:57.700 I

00:34:58.260 don't

00:34:58.660 see

00:34:58.980 the

00:34:59.240 same

00:34:59.840 you know

00:35:00.700 like a

00:35:02.460 horse

00:35:02.720 running

00:35:03.100 with the

00:35:03.620 bit

00:35:03.780 in its

00:35:04.080 mouth

00:35:04.300 just

00:35:04.600 charging

00:35:05.260 for

00:35:05.640 you know

00:35:06.000 to win

00:35:06.320 the race

00:35:06.720 I don't

00:35:07.260 see that

00:35:07.680 same

00:35:08.020 fight

00:35:08.400 and

00:35:08.620 spirit

00:35:09.040 on

00:35:09.920 Capitol

00:35:10.360 Hill

00:35:10.620 today

00:35:10.940 we might

00:35:11.720 have

00:35:11.920 noise

00:35:12.420 we might

00:35:13.120 have

00:35:13.300 some

00:35:13.500 releases

00:35:13.920 we might

00:35:14.460 have

00:35:14.640 some

00:35:14.860 hearings

00:35:15.260 but I

00:35:16.040 don't

00:35:16.340 see

00:35:16.540 the

00:35:16.740 real

00:35:17.040 commitment

00:35:17.420 where

00:35:17.680 the

00:35:17.860 resources

00:35:18.440 and the

00:35:18.860 right

00:35:19.060 people

00:35:19.440 are

00:35:19.700 involved

00:35:20.580 outside

00:35:21.320 expertise

00:35:22.000 being

00:35:22.440 paid

00:35:22.780 for

00:35:23.080 I

00:35:23.660 don't

00:35:23.880 there's

00:35:24.680 a lot

00:35:24.960 of outside

00:35:25.460 expertise

00:35:25.940 that could

00:35:26.340 help

00:35:26.560 the

00:35:26.720 FBI

00:35:27.080 today

00:35:27.580 too

00:35:27.940 but it's

00:35:28.780 not yet

00:35:29.440 being tapped

00:35:30.060 into

00:35:30.480 but the

00:35:31.200 people

00:35:31.520 watching

00:35:31.920 this

00:35:32.200 will

00:35:32.380 say

00:35:32.700 but we

00:35:33.580 have

00:35:33.740 all the

00:35:34.000 power

00:35:34.360 we have

00:35:35.380 the

00:35:36.160 executive

00:35:36.500 branch

00:35:37.040 we have

00:35:37.520 the

00:35:37.680 house

00:35:37.860 speaker

00:35:38.180 we have

00:35:38.420 the

00:35:38.560 senate

00:35:38.760 majority

00:35:39.180 leader

00:35:39.520 people

00:35:40.220 will

00:35:40.500 wonder

00:35:40.720 why

00:35:41.020 that's

00:35:41.440 not

00:35:41.620 happening

00:35:41.940 well

00:35:42.460 it's

00:35:43.400 amazing

00:35:43.820 how

00:35:44.120 things

00:35:44.540 work

00:35:45.060 when

00:35:45.340 you're

00:35:45.500 trying

00:35:45.760 to

00:35:45.960 move

00:35:46.200 a

00:35:46.360 bureaucracy

00:35:46.760 and

00:35:47.960 you

00:35:48.520 know

00:35:48.640 the

00:35:48.880 things

00:35:49.980 you

00:35:50.200 have

00:35:50.460 to

00:35:50.700 do

00:35:52.440 to

00:35:52.720 get

00:35:52.920 anything

00:35:53.400 done

00:35:53.860 you

00:35:54.320 need

00:35:54.520 money

00:35:54.840 you

00:35:55.160 need

00:35:55.340 people

00:35:55.720 you

00:35:56.000 need

00:35:56.260 to

00:35:56.380 follow

00:35:56.580 processes

00:35:57.200 you

00:35:57.460 need

00:35:57.620 to

00:35:57.720 be

00:35:57.840 legal

00:35:58.200 about

00:35:58.560 it

00:35:58.760 and

00:35:59.460 things

00:35:59.880 can

00:36:00.040 be

00:36:00.220 slowed

00:36:00.540 down

00:36:01.000 there

00:36:02.560 can

00:36:02.700 be

00:36:02.840 questions

00:36:03.320 asked

00:36:03.720 it

00:36:03.880 can

00:36:04.020 be

00:36:04.180 put

00:36:04.400 in

00:36:04.540 a

00:36:04.660 committee

00:36:04.980 can

00:36:05.280 be

00:36:05.460 staff

00:36:06.020 things

00:36:06.900 get

00:36:07.140 delayed

00:36:07.600 you

00:36:08.140 get

00:36:08.340 distracted

00:36:08.940 they

00:36:09.160 put

00:36:09.400 distractions

00:36:10.040 in

00:36:10.360 front

00:36:10.580 of

00:36:10.720 you

00:36:10.900 and

00:36:11.340 you

00:36:11.440 still

00:36:11.680 have

00:36:11.900 real

00:36:12.140 life

00:36:12.460 going

00:36:12.780 on

00:36:13.080 in

00:36:13.280 the

00:36:13.380 meantime

00:36:13.660 you're

00:36:13.860 trying

00:36:14.100 to

00:36:14.220 clean

00:36:14.440 up

00:36:14.600 all

00:36:14.820 this

00:36:15.040 mess

00:36:15.300 and

00:36:15.440 just

00:36:15.640 think

00:36:16.300 about

00:36:16.560 the

00:36:16.760 laundry

00:36:17.160 list

00:36:17.580 of

00:36:17.740 things

00:36:18.040 election

00:36:18.780 integrity

00:36:19.340 violations

00:36:20.200 Michigan

00:36:21.120 for

00:36:21.420 example

00:36:21.900 Atlanta

00:36:22.740 etc

00:36:23.280 you've

00:36:24.020 got

00:36:24.200 the

00:36:24.380 Laetitia

00:36:24.920 James

00:36:25.880 and

00:36:26.180 you've

00:36:26.420 got

00:36:26.700 the

00:36:27.060 prosecutor

00:36:28.200 in

00:36:29.080 Georgia

00:36:30.140 that

00:36:30.700 type

00:36:31.360 of

00:36:31.520 stuff

00:36:31.820 you've

00:36:32.420 got

00:36:32.660 what's

00:36:33.420 going

00:36:33.600 on

00:36:33.800 with

00:36:33.940 Director

00:36:34.360 Ray

00:36:34.720 and

00:36:35.200 others

00:36:35.800 you

00:36:36.260 know

00:36:36.420 they

00:36:36.980 get

00:36:37.160 after

00:36:37.520 the

00:36:37.820 Russia

00:36:38.280 hoax

00:36:38.600 stuff

00:36:38.880 and

00:36:39.080 Brennan

00:36:39.460 then

00:36:40.020 you

00:36:40.140 start

00:36:40.420 looking

00:36:40.720 at

00:36:40.920 some

00:36:41.120 of

00:36:41.240 the

00:36:41.380 other

00:36:41.600 things

00:36:41.960 like

00:36:42.240 Act

00:36:42.920 Blue

00:36:43.200 corruption

00:36:44.600 violations

00:36:45.100 Antifa

00:36:46.080 and

00:36:46.560 that's

00:36:46.800 a

00:36:46.920 long

00:36:47.180 issue

00:36:47.680 going

00:36:48.080 after

00:36:48.320 leftist

00:36:48.920 violent

00:36:49.360 extremist

00:36:50.620 groups

00:36:50.960 and

00:36:51.520 the

00:36:51.660 money

00:36:51.960 and

00:36:52.320 NGOs

00:36:52.820 and

00:36:53.140 things

00:36:53.380 that

00:36:53.540 are

00:36:53.660 there

00:36:53.940 there's

00:36:54.560 just

00:36:54.760 so

00:36:55.160 it's

00:36:55.580 such

00:36:55.780 a

00:36:55.920 target

00:36:56.240 rich

00:36:56.520 environment

00:36:56.980 and

00:36:57.440 we

00:36:57.620 don't

00:36:57.880 have

00:36:58.180 reliable

00:36:59.040 capable

00:37:00.100 numbers

00:37:02.560 of

00:37:02.940 investigators

00:37:03.700 and

00:37:04.000 lawyers

00:37:04.380 in

00:37:05.680 sufficient

00:37:06.100 quantity

00:37:06.780 to

00:37:07.200 do

00:37:07.380 what

00:37:07.560 we

00:37:07.700 need

00:37:07.920 to

00:37:08.040 do

00:37:08.300 you're

00:37:08.900 calling

00:37:09.220 for

00:37:09.500 an

00:37:09.700 army

00:37:09.960 of

00:37:10.320 investigative

00:37:10.900 resources

00:37:12.280 is

00:37:13.320 that

00:37:13.560 best

00:37:13.940 done

00:37:14.360 in a

00:37:14.700 congressional

00:37:15.100 committee

00:37:15.480 you think

00:37:15.800 it's

00:37:16.320 not

00:37:16.580 best

00:37:16.900 done

00:37:17.180 in a

00:37:17.980 congressional

00:37:18.380 committee

00:37:18.800 but

00:37:19.080 a

00:37:20.300 January

00:37:20.820 6th

00:37:21.460 resource

00:37:21.920 type

00:37:22.300 organization

00:37:23.080 you know

00:37:23.980 can

00:37:24.720 shed a lot

00:37:25.600 of light

00:37:26.000 and provide

00:37:26.900 the

00:37:27.760 opportunity

00:37:29.060 to do

00:37:29.920 referrals

00:37:30.980 like

00:37:31.400 Devin

00:37:31.840 Nunes

00:37:32.160 did

00:37:32.400 a couple

00:37:33.420 dozen

00:37:33.820 criminal

00:37:34.220 referrals

00:37:34.700 but

00:37:35.260 we did

00:37:35.840 the criminal

00:37:36.260 referrals

00:37:36.720 and what

00:37:37.200 did

00:37:37.360 we have

00:37:37.840 we had

00:37:38.680 a DOJ

00:37:39.540 and an

00:37:40.640 FBI

00:37:40.960 that were

00:37:41.460 oppositional

00:37:42.160 you had

00:37:43.020 Jeff

00:37:43.440 Sessions

00:37:43.840 over

00:37:44.100 there

00:37:44.240 but now

00:37:44.420 we have

00:37:44.840 Pam

00:37:45.160 Bondi

00:37:45.660 and

00:37:46.340 Kash

00:37:47.240 Patel

00:37:47.700 and you

00:37:48.260 see

00:37:48.500 the fight

00:37:49.080 in him

00:37:49.440 when he

00:37:49.700 goes up

00:37:50.080 on the

00:37:50.380 hill

00:37:50.600 he pushes

00:37:51.640 back

00:37:52.140 he calls

00:37:52.720 a spade

00:37:53.180 a spade

00:37:53.520 he goes

00:37:53.880 after

00:37:54.460 Adam Schiff

00:37:55.520 and you

00:37:56.120 know

00:37:56.260 he's speaking

00:37:57.060 truth to

00:37:57.720 power

00:37:58.080 and he

00:37:58.460 has

00:37:58.640 courage

00:37:59.100 so we

00:37:59.800 have to

00:38:00.020 have

00:38:00.180 faith

00:38:00.500 that

00:38:00.700 they

00:38:01.500 will

00:38:01.760 do

00:38:02.120 the

00:38:02.360 job

00:38:02.780 but

00:38:03.340 we

00:38:03.960 also

00:38:04.240 have

00:38:04.480 to

00:38:04.600 understand

00:38:05.000 they

00:38:05.220 need

00:38:05.480 reinforcements

00:38:06.340 my sources

00:38:07.960 are telling

00:38:08.460 me

00:38:08.800 that this

00:38:09.600 emerges

00:38:10.200 in a

00:38:11.300 vast

00:38:11.840 conspiracy

00:38:13.120 case

00:38:14.380 and that

00:38:15.180 that

00:38:15.420 conspiracy

00:38:15.900 includes

00:38:16.760 some of

00:38:17.200 the events

00:38:17.540 we've been

00:38:17.940 talking about

00:38:18.720 these meetings

00:38:19.640 with Obama

00:38:20.360 the fabrication

00:38:21.380 of intelligence

00:38:22.360 but also

00:38:23.280 some of

00:38:23.640 the cover

00:38:23.960 ups

00:38:24.200 and some

00:38:25.360 of the

00:38:25.680 action

00:38:27.200 against

00:38:27.580 President

00:38:27.980 Trump

00:38:28.460 really

00:38:29.920 improperly

00:38:30.840 using

00:38:31.140 criminal

00:38:31.500 process

00:38:32.140 can be

00:38:33.060 linked

00:38:33.340 to

00:38:33.740 that

00:38:34.160 cover

00:38:34.500 up

00:38:34.680 especially

00:38:35.100 if

00:38:35.520 some

00:38:36.120 of

00:38:36.200 the

00:38:36.300 documents

00:38:36.720 President

00:38:37.060 Trump

00:38:37.360 took

00:38:37.640 back

00:38:37.900 to

00:38:38.060 Mar-a-Lago

00:38:38.560 were

00:38:39.220 evidence

00:38:39.740 of

00:38:40.080 the

00:38:40.260 wrongdoing

00:38:40.820 and then

00:38:41.340 they

00:38:41.480 were

00:38:41.640 retrieving

00:38:42.200 those

00:38:42.620 in order

00:38:43.100 to

00:38:43.560 ensure

00:38:44.380 that there

00:38:44.720 wasn't

00:38:45.060 any

00:38:45.280 culpability

00:38:45.960 that

00:38:46.220 attaches

00:38:46.680 do you

00:38:48.540 have

00:38:49.160 confidence

00:38:49.660 that

00:38:50.440 we'll

00:38:50.820 ever

00:38:51.040 get

00:38:51.300 justice

00:38:51.760 and

00:38:52.140 for

00:38:52.520 you

00:38:52.740 somebody

00:38:53.080 who's

00:38:53.360 so

00:38:53.620 steeped

00:38:54.040 in

00:38:54.100 the

00:38:54.220 facts

00:38:54.500 what

00:38:54.940 does

00:38:55.120 justice

00:38:55.440 even

00:38:55.700 look

00:38:55.920 like

00:38:56.200 well

00:38:57.640 we

00:38:57.840 need

00:38:58.060 to

00:38:58.200 put

00:38:58.440 we

00:39:00.200 need

00:39:00.400 to

00:39:00.500 have

00:39:00.620 some

00:39:00.900 convictions

00:39:01.540 that

00:39:02.400 are

00:39:02.700 criminal

00:39:03.160 convictions

00:39:03.580 that

00:39:04.780 are

00:39:04.920 significant

00:39:05.640 okay

00:39:06.740 we

00:39:07.960 need

00:39:08.180 some

00:39:08.540 you

00:39:09.220 know

00:39:09.420 whether

00:39:10.160 it's

00:39:10.600 you

00:39:10.760 know

00:39:10.920 the

00:39:11.200 former

00:39:11.480 heads

00:39:11.840 of

00:39:12.000 these

00:39:12.280 departments

00:39:12.920 or

00:39:13.540 you

00:39:14.380 know

00:39:14.480 like

00:39:14.680 a

00:39:14.820 Brennan

00:39:15.200 or

00:39:15.480 Clapper

00:39:16.040 but

00:39:16.600 you

00:39:16.860 know

00:39:17.040 rogue

00:39:17.600 prosecutors

00:39:18.360 people

00:39:20.280 that were

00:39:20.600 involved

00:39:20.960 in the

00:39:21.280 Mueller

00:39:21.520 investigation

00:39:23.340 that

00:39:24.140 were

00:39:24.320 clearly

00:39:24.880 they

00:39:25.340 were

00:39:25.540 destroying

00:39:26.680 evidence

00:39:27.280 to cover

00:39:27.800 up

00:39:28.080 you

00:39:28.760 know

00:39:28.860 their

00:39:29.080 corruption

00:39:29.560 because

00:39:30.180 they

00:39:30.380 destroyed

00:39:30.780 their

00:39:31.000 cell

00:39:31.220 phones

00:39:31.520 and

00:39:31.680 their

00:39:31.820 laptops

00:39:32.140 and

00:39:32.480 their

00:39:32.640 records

00:39:33.000 so

00:39:33.520 that

00:39:33.740 future

00:39:35.040 investigators

00:39:35.680 in the

00:39:35.980 January 6

00:39:36.640 committee

00:39:36.980 did

00:39:37.700 the

00:39:37.900 same

00:39:38.120 thing

00:39:38.340 they

00:39:38.480 tried

00:39:38.720 to

00:39:38.900 cover

00:39:39.160 up

00:39:39.420 what

00:39:39.620 they

00:39:39.780 did

00:39:40.160 so

00:39:40.940 do you

00:39:41.880 think

00:39:42.060 that's

00:39:42.480 I mean

00:39:42.820 that

00:39:43.020 that's

00:39:43.500 like

00:39:43.840 circumstantial

00:39:45.920 evidence

00:39:46.200 of wrongdoing

00:39:46.800 it

00:39:47.520 absolutely

00:39:48.040 is

00:39:48.520 but

00:39:49.580 we

00:39:49.760 need

00:39:49.920 to

00:39:50.040 get

00:39:50.200 in

00:39:50.340 there

00:39:50.560 and

00:39:50.880 recover

00:39:51.380 what

00:39:51.640 we

00:39:51.820 can

00:39:52.180 and

00:39:52.960 then

00:39:53.180 put

00:39:53.580 the

00:39:53.780 pieces

00:39:54.060 together

00:39:54.500 and

00:39:54.740 it

00:39:55.160 takes

00:39:55.600 real

00:39:56.480 good

00:39:56.740 investigators

00:39:57.380 that

00:39:57.640 know

00:39:57.840 how

00:39:58.060 to

00:39:58.220 do

00:39:58.640 forensics

00:39:59.260 along

00:39:59.620 with

00:39:59.780 network

00:40:00.180 analysis

00:40:00.740 and

00:40:01.340 build

00:40:01.840 these

00:40:02.260 types

00:40:02.540 of

00:40:02.700 relationships

00:40:03.300 and

00:40:03.660 then

00:40:03.820 the

00:40:04.000 actions

00:40:04.420 that

00:40:04.580 work

00:40:04.700 you're

00:40:05.140 a

00:40:05.280 lawyer

00:40:05.520 you

00:40:05.940 understand

00:40:06.340 it

00:40:06.680 and

00:40:07.100 so

00:40:07.360 you

00:40:08.040 know

00:40:08.200 but

00:40:08.500 I also

00:40:09.660 know

00:40:10.000 as a

00:40:10.480 lawyer

00:40:10.740 someone's

00:40:12.140 guilt

00:40:12.460 isn't always

00:40:13.080 reflective

00:40:13.580 in your

00:40:13.980 ability

00:40:14.280 to obtain

00:40:14.700 that

00:40:14.900 conviction

00:40:15.380 correct

00:40:15.780 I

00:40:16.120 believe

00:40:16.660 my

00:40:17.660 opinion

00:40:18.060 that

00:40:18.780 Andrew

00:40:19.640 McCabe

00:40:20.180 lied

00:40:20.720 to

00:40:20.960 Congress

00:40:21.380 repeatedly

00:40:21.920 and

00:40:22.960 we

00:40:23.600 saw

00:40:23.960 how

00:40:24.200 challenging

00:40:24.640 it

00:40:24.840 was

00:40:25.280 even

00:40:25.580 when

00:40:25.860 you

00:40:26.020 had

00:40:26.220 a

00:40:26.340 grand

00:40:26.560 jury

00:40:26.740 assembled

00:40:27.120 here

00:40:27.300 in

00:40:27.420 Washington

00:40:27.800 D.C.

00:40:28.340 to

00:40:28.840 obtain

00:40:29.140 that

00:40:29.320 conviction

00:40:29.700 and

00:40:29.880 so

00:40:32.260 we

00:40:34.100 don't

00:40:34.300 care

00:40:34.560 about

00:40:34.860 whether

00:40:35.080 you

00:40:35.400 can

00:40:35.540 get

00:40:35.720 a

00:40:35.860 conviction

00:40:36.280 or

00:40:36.520 not

00:40:36.800 we

00:40:37.320 want

00:40:37.560 to

00:40:37.680 put

00:40:37.940 our

00:40:38.440 enemies

00:40:38.900 through

00:40:39.420 the

00:40:39.600 process

00:40:40.020 look

00:40:40.620 what

00:40:40.740 they

00:40:40.880 did

00:40:41.060 to

00:40:41.180 Mike

00:40:41.380 Flynn

00:40:41.660 look

00:40:42.000 what

00:40:42.320 they

00:40:42.460 did

00:40:42.660 to

00:40:42.800 the

00:40:42.940 president

00:40:43.380 look

00:40:43.880 what

00:40:44.040 they

00:40:44.200 do

00:40:44.400 with

00:40:44.580 the

00:40:44.720 law

00:40:44.940 fair

00:40:45.100 look

00:40:45.340 at

00:40:45.540 everyone

00:40:46.520 who

00:40:46.760 worked

00:40:46.960 in

00:40:47.080 the

00:40:47.200 White

00:40:47.400 House

00:40:47.740 in

00:40:48.040 that

00:40:48.220 first

00:40:48.500 term

00:40:48.800 had

00:40:49.120 $100,000

00:40:50.040 or more

00:40:50.540 in legal

00:40:50.900 bills

00:40:51.180 just over

00:40:51.720 nonsense

00:40:52.140 Attorney

00:40:52.660 Eastman

00:40:53.180 who

00:40:53.440 was

00:40:54.660 prosecuted

00:40:55.400 and

00:40:55.540 used

00:40:55.840 they

00:40:56.440 are

00:40:56.500 trying

00:40:56.820 to

00:40:56.980 debar

00:40:57.540 filing

00:40:58.580 you

00:40:58.860 know

00:40:59.140 against

00:40:59.580 Jeff

00:40:59.800 Clark

00:41:00.160 even

00:41:01.400 today

00:41:02.320 they

00:41:02.500 are

00:41:02.560 going

00:41:02.840 after

00:41:03.240 people

00:41:03.680 that

00:41:03.840 are

00:41:03.940 coming

00:41:04.160 into

00:41:04.360 the

00:41:04.520 administration

00:41:04.980 trying

00:41:05.780 to

00:41:06.000 file

00:41:06.360 complaints

00:41:06.900 with

00:41:07.140 their

00:41:07.560 state

00:41:07.860 bar

00:41:08.100 associations

00:41:08.780 this

00:41:09.760 is

00:41:09.960 law

00:41:10.260 fair

00:41:10.520 and

00:41:10.700 we

00:41:12.080 don't

00:41:12.460 think

00:41:12.740 in

00:41:12.880 those

00:41:13.100 terms

00:41:13.800 we

00:41:14.040 don't

00:41:14.320 realize

00:41:14.800 that

00:41:14.980 we're

00:41:15.180 in

00:41:15.340 combat

00:41:15.720 they

00:41:16.880 say

00:41:17.220 any

00:41:17.520 means

00:41:17.940 to

00:41:18.140 achieve

00:41:18.460 the

00:41:18.640 ends

00:41:19.020 okay

00:41:19.920 and

00:41:20.420 they're

00:41:20.620 in

00:41:20.740 denial

00:41:21.240 about

00:41:22.040 the

00:41:22.600 successes

00:41:23.060 we're

00:41:23.420 having

00:41:24.240 they're

00:41:25.460 oppositional

00:41:26.140 all

00:41:26.560 the

00:41:26.760 time

00:41:27.120 they

00:41:28.000 lie

00:41:28.500 freely

00:41:29.120 okay

00:41:29.940 they

00:41:30.320 distort

00:41:30.700 look what

00:41:31.020 they've

00:41:31.260 done

00:41:31.460 with

00:41:31.620 Charlie

00:41:31.980 Kirk's

00:41:32.560 message

00:41:33.180 okay

00:41:33.580 distorting

00:41:34.380 his

00:41:34.540 messages

00:41:34.940 on

00:41:35.220 LGBTQ

00:41:35.760 you know

00:41:36.780 you

00:41:38.320 can have

00:41:39.540 compassion

00:41:40.180 you can

00:41:41.200 say

00:41:41.440 something's

00:41:41.940 a sin

00:41:42.360 you can

00:41:42.920 try and

00:41:43.380 give them

00:41:43.740 guidance

00:41:44.260 point them

00:41:45.500 in the

00:41:45.740 right

00:41:45.920 direction

00:41:46.360 for

00:41:46.600 medical

00:41:46.960 help

00:41:47.200 I've

00:41:47.760 watched

00:41:48.060 all

00:41:48.300 these

00:41:48.560 videos

00:41:49.020 he's

00:41:49.640 been

00:41:49.960 very

00:41:50.600 genuine

00:41:51.220 and

00:41:51.560 affable

00:41:52.080 in

00:41:52.540 showing

00:41:53.360 real

00:41:53.700 concern

00:41:54.220 for

00:41:54.480 the

00:41:54.680 health

00:41:55.020 and

00:41:55.400 mental

00:41:55.700 well-being

00:41:56.240 of

00:41:56.480 a

00:41:56.880 person

00:41:57.180 who's

00:41:57.380 come

00:41:57.580 up

00:41:57.820 that's

00:41:58.380 part

00:41:58.520 of

00:41:58.600 his

00:41:58.720 Christian

00:41:59.040 faith

00:41:59.380 it

00:41:59.660 is

00:42:00.000 but

00:42:00.820 they

00:42:01.020 demonize

00:42:01.780 him

00:42:02.020 and

00:42:02.560 they

00:42:02.960 demonize

00:42:03.700 us

00:42:03.940 and

00:42:04.060 we

00:42:04.200 have

00:42:04.380 to

00:42:04.480 understand

00:42:05.100 that

00:42:06.040 that

00:42:07.120 type

00:42:07.440 of

00:42:07.600 person

00:42:08.060 those

00:42:09.340 types

00:42:09.680 of

00:42:09.840 organizations

00:42:10.460 that

00:42:10.820 are

00:42:10.960 willing

00:42:11.320 to

00:42:11.940 incite

00:42:12.560 violence

00:42:13.180 to

00:42:13.920 use

00:42:14.240 lawfare

00:42:14.880 to

00:42:15.400 destroy

00:42:15.900 lives

00:42:16.480 to

00:42:16.660 go

00:42:16.840 after

00:42:17.160 Mike

00:42:17.500 Flynn

00:42:17.900 to

00:42:18.420 go

00:42:18.680 after

00:42:19.100 the

00:42:19.360 president

00:42:19.720 to

00:42:19.920 go

00:42:20.060 after

00:42:20.400 family

00:42:20.880 members

00:42:21.300 to

00:42:21.700 go

00:42:21.880 after

00:42:22.200 a

00:42:22.500 judge

00:42:22.920 and

00:42:24.160 his

00:42:24.360 family

00:42:24.740 to

00:42:25.320 threaten

00:42:25.700 people

00:42:26.180 and

00:42:26.980 all

00:42:27.240 the

00:42:27.480 vitriol

00:42:28.020 that's

00:42:28.320 out

00:42:28.520 there

00:42:28.700 saying

00:42:29.100 it's

00:42:29.520 not

00:42:29.740 enough

00:42:30.140 warning

00:42:30.720 they

00:42:31.460 want

00:42:31.800 more

00:42:32.200 that

00:42:33.960 needs

00:42:34.880 to

00:42:35.000 be

00:42:35.180 pushed

00:42:35.600 back

00:42:35.860 and

00:42:35.980 we

00:42:36.100 need

00:42:36.300 to

00:42:36.420 recognize

00:42:37.040 who

00:42:38.000 the

00:42:38.420 threat

00:42:39.000 really

00:42:39.340 is

00:42:39.700 and

00:42:40.060 what

00:42:40.420 their

00:42:41.020 strategy

00:42:41.560 really

00:42:41.960 is

00:42:42.340 and

00:42:42.720 then

00:42:42.900 design

00:42:43.640 we

00:42:45.020 have

00:42:45.140 to

00:42:45.260 diagnose

00:42:45.680 it

00:42:46.020 right

00:42:46.300 accept

00:42:46.960 it

00:42:47.160 validate

00:42:47.640 it

00:42:47.960 and

00:42:48.220 then

00:42:48.460 design

00:42:49.000 counter

00:42:49.500 measures

00:42:49.900 we

00:42:50.540 are

00:42:50.680 dealing

00:42:51.060 with

00:42:51.280 massive

00:42:51.820 subversion

00:42:52.580 here

00:42:52.960 and

00:42:53.520 if

00:42:53.660 you're

00:42:53.860 a

00:42:54.020 Maoist

00:42:54.480 organization

00:42:55.180 they

00:42:55.480 went

00:42:55.760 to

00:42:55.920 the

00:42:56.120 heartlands

00:42:57.400 and

00:42:57.900 they

00:42:58.040 worked

00:42:58.340 in

00:42:58.560 but

00:42:58.800 for

00:42:59.140 the

00:42:59.500 modern

00:42:59.900 leftist

00:43:00.560 marxist

00:43:01.160 revolution

00:43:01.740 they want

00:43:02.680 to capture

00:43:03.220 the safety

00:43:03.860 zones of the

00:43:05.060 urban centers

00:43:05.800 where they got

00:43:06.240 protection

00:43:06.760 from law

00:43:07.620 enforcement

00:43:08.120 and the

00:43:08.560 district

00:43:08.900 attorneys

00:43:09.480 and radical

00:43:10.500 city

00:43:11.740 councils

00:43:12.220 and mayors

00:43:12.840 like in

00:43:13.240 Chicago

00:43:13.720 and Boston

00:43:14.360 and

00:43:14.660 look at

00:43:15.700 California

00:43:16.260 and

00:43:17.160 they

00:43:17.580 can

00:43:17.800 operate

00:43:18.380 freely

00:43:18.860 there

00:43:19.220 and

00:43:19.900 now

00:43:20.080 they

00:43:20.280 attack

00:43:20.740 ICE

00:43:21.140 they

00:43:21.660 attack

00:43:22.160 federal

00:43:22.500 law

00:43:22.780 enforcement

00:43:23.280 and

00:43:24.140 they

00:43:24.300 have

00:43:24.520 sanctuary

00:43:25.240 to

00:43:26.540 undermine

00:43:27.080 and

00:43:27.460 then

00:43:27.780 they

00:43:27.920 can

00:43:28.120 threaten

00:43:28.560 conservatives

00:43:29.980 and

00:43:30.500 Christians

00:43:31.060 and

00:43:31.660 moderate

00:43:33.480 Democrats

00:43:34.280 you better

00:43:35.000 get on

00:43:35.400 the

00:43:35.540 reservation

00:43:36.060 otherwise

00:43:36.540 we're

00:43:36.860 going to

00:43:37.080 ostracize

00:43:37.740 you

00:43:37.920 otherwise

00:43:38.400 you're

00:43:38.700 not

00:43:38.840 going

00:43:38.960 to

00:43:39.020 have

00:43:39.180 a

00:43:39.300 job

00:43:39.640 you're

00:43:39.840 not

00:43:40.000 going

00:43:40.120 to

00:43:40.200 get

00:43:40.340 that

00:43:40.540 contract

00:43:41.120 that's

00:43:41.880 what

00:43:42.040 they

00:43:42.260 do

00:43:42.660 and

00:43:43.420 we

00:43:43.560 have

00:43:43.760 to

00:43:43.920 understand

00:43:44.460 it

00:43:44.880 accept

00:43:45.500 it

00:43:45.860 and

00:43:46.220 quit

00:43:46.640 saying

00:43:47.000 we're

00:43:47.200 going

00:43:47.320 to

00:43:47.440 play

00:43:47.720 by

00:43:48.060 some

00:43:49.040 gentlemanly

00:43:49.660 rules

00:43:50.080 because

00:43:51.240 that's

00:43:51.840 not

00:43:52.020 how

00:43:52.160 the

00:43:52.300 world

00:43:52.500 is

00:43:52.640 operating

00:43:53.080 right

00:43:53.340 now

00:43:53.620 did I

00:43:55.280 overstate

00:43:55.740 that

00:43:56.020 I

00:43:56.240 don't

00:43:56.560 think

00:43:56.760 so

00:43:57.000 I

00:43:57.340 think

00:43:57.700 that

00:43:58.160 we

00:43:58.780 do

00:43:59.120 have

00:43:59.560 to

00:43:59.980 if

00:44:00.780 we

00:44:00.960 set

00:44:01.380 criminal

00:44:01.920 convictions

00:44:02.520 as

00:44:03.420 the

00:44:03.660 sole

00:44:04.040 mechanism

00:44:04.660 to

00:44:05.320 achieve

00:44:05.680 this

00:44:05.920 reform

00:44:06.400 I

00:44:07.040 think

00:44:07.380 we

00:44:08.140 leave

00:44:08.780 that

00:44:09.040 to

00:44:09.220 something

00:44:09.640 it's

00:44:10.500 in a

00:44:10.960 way

00:44:11.160 almost

00:44:11.620 it's

00:44:12.460 punting

00:44:13.680 to

00:44:13.940 a

00:44:14.160 jury

00:44:14.460 what

00:44:14.980 I

00:44:15.120 think

00:44:15.300 we

00:44:15.460 could

00:44:15.600 roll

00:44:15.820 up

00:44:15.960 our

00:44:16.140 sleeves

00:44:16.520 and

00:44:16.840 do

00:44:17.220 with

00:44:17.780 the

00:44:17.920 type

00:44:18.180 of

00:44:18.320 very

00:44:18.540 focused

00:44:19.080 approach

00:44:19.560 that

00:44:19.760 you

00:44:19.880 laid

00:44:20.140 out

00:44:20.460 with

00:44:20.780 the

00:44:21.580 diagnosis

00:44:22.220 and

00:44:22.940 really

00:44:23.460 the

00:44:23.660 countermeasures

00:44:24.240 that have

00:44:24.740 to be

00:44:25.060 created

00:44:25.560 and

00:44:25.880 really

00:44:26.400 in a

00:44:26.820 way

00:44:27.060 turning

00:44:27.780 point

00:44:28.020 was

00:44:28.380 one

00:44:28.740 of

00:44:28.840 those

00:44:29.000 countermeasures

00:44:29.600 because

00:44:29.940 they

00:44:30.100 had

00:44:30.200 done

00:44:30.320 so

00:44:30.540 much

00:44:30.800 to

00:44:31.300 take

00:44:31.880 over

00:44:32.200 the

00:44:32.440 schools

00:44:32.960 and

00:44:33.220 the

00:44:33.340 universities

00:44:33.800 and

00:44:34.320 the

00:44:34.480 teachers

00:44:34.900 and

00:44:35.560 indoctrinate

00:44:36.100 young

00:44:36.380 people

00:44:36.820 Charlie

00:44:37.360 said

00:44:37.600 I'm

00:44:37.740 going

00:44:37.820 to

00:44:37.880 go

00:44:38.020 right

00:44:38.320 in

00:44:38.560 and

00:44:38.780 be

00:44:38.980 that

00:44:39.240 countermeasure

00:44:39.920 and

00:44:40.160 be

00:44:40.340 that

00:44:40.540 turning

00:44:40.840 point

00:44:41.180 it's

00:44:41.720 a

00:44:41.840 perfect

00:44:42.380 example

00:44:42.860 I want

00:44:43.260 to get

00:44:43.440 to some

00:44:43.720 of the

00:44:43.880 work

00:44:44.060 you're

00:44:44.180 doing

00:44:44.400 now

00:44:44.720 though

00:44:45.020 on

00:44:45.480 really

00:44:46.440 looking

00:44:46.860 at

00:44:47.200 the

00:44:47.900 networks

00:44:48.740 of

00:44:49.420 leftist

00:44:50.460 resources

00:44:51.140 and

00:44:51.820 their

00:44:52.280 street

00:44:52.760 army

00:44:53.140 that

00:44:53.400 they

00:44:53.560 developed

00:44:54.060 through

00:44:54.460 Antifa

00:44:55.080 how are

00:44:56.000 you

00:44:56.080 using

00:44:56.380 the

00:44:56.660 skills

00:44:56.940 you

00:44:57.080 developed

00:44:57.500 in

00:44:57.800 the

00:44:58.080 intelligence

00:44:58.500 world

00:44:58.940 to

00:44:59.160 look

00:44:59.400 at

00:44:59.500 this

00:44:59.660 problem

00:45:00.040 and

00:45:00.300 help

00:45:00.900 us

00:45:01.060 build

00:45:01.260 some

00:45:01.440 of

00:45:01.520 those

00:45:01.640 countermeasures

00:45:02.180 well

00:45:02.620 I

00:45:02.860 was

00:45:03.100 shocked

00:45:03.640 when

00:45:04.140 director

00:45:04.820 Ray

00:45:05.120 said

00:45:05.500 that

00:45:05.860 Antifa

00:45:06.300 is

00:45:06.500 not

00:45:06.720 an

00:45:06.880 organization

00:45:07.480 it's

00:45:07.780 just

00:45:08.020 an

00:45:08.220 ideology

00:45:08.800 yes

00:45:09.680 it

00:45:09.880 is

00:45:10.080 an

00:45:10.200 ideology

00:45:10.820 and

00:45:11.660 the

00:45:11.840 ideology

00:45:12.340 and

00:45:12.920 the

00:45:13.040 history

00:45:13.400 emanates

00:45:14.660 from

00:45:15.100 East

00:45:15.700 Germany

00:45:16.140 and

00:45:16.600 Soviet

00:45:16.920 Union

00:45:17.260 sponsorship

00:45:17.940 and

00:45:19.700 before

00:45:21.380 that

00:45:21.840 even

00:45:22.300 in

00:45:22.920 Weimar

00:45:23.560 Republic

00:45:24.240 so

00:45:25.400 there's

00:45:25.760 a

00:45:25.920 long

00:45:26.380 foreign

00:45:26.880 tie

00:45:27.240 to

00:45:27.540 it

00:45:27.720 that

00:45:27.900 we

00:45:28.360 have

00:45:28.540 to

00:45:28.640 recognize

00:45:29.080 and

00:45:29.300 that

00:45:29.440 continues

00:45:29.960 to

00:45:30.300 this

00:45:30.540 day

00:45:30.780 but

00:45:31.600 it's

00:45:31.960 also

00:45:32.240 a

00:45:32.480 movement

00:45:32.800 and

00:45:33.680 the

00:45:33.840 insurgency

00:45:35.020 in

00:45:35.280 Iraq

00:45:35.660 was

00:45:36.300 a

00:45:36.480 movement

00:45:36.780 but

00:45:37.400 there

00:45:37.620 were

00:45:37.820 cells

00:45:38.320 there

00:45:38.820 was

00:45:39.060 finance

00:45:39.660 there

00:45:39.940 was

00:45:40.120 collaboration

00:45:40.880 there

00:45:41.240 was

00:45:41.420 organization

00:45:42.160 there

00:45:42.740 was

00:45:43.020 intelligence

00:45:43.700 there

00:45:43.980 are

00:45:44.140 facilitators

00:45:45.000 you

00:45:45.800 know

00:45:46.000 that's

00:45:47.620 what

00:45:47.780 Antifa

00:45:48.220 is

00:45:48.680 and

00:45:49.180 in

00:45:49.340 places

00:45:49.600 like

00:45:49.900 Portland

00:45:50.340 and

00:45:50.640 Seattle

00:45:51.040 and

00:45:51.280 some

00:45:51.420 other

00:45:51.640 cities

00:45:52.000 it's

00:45:53.140 very

00:45:53.560 well

00:45:53.900 developed

00:45:54.400 organizationally

00:45:55.480 in

00:45:55.740 those

00:45:55.980 locations

00:45:56.500 and

00:45:56.880 in

00:45:57.420 many

00:45:57.880 other

00:45:58.160 places

00:45:58.300 what's

00:45:58.540 the

00:45:58.620 countermeasure

00:45:59.120 is

00:46:00.920 partially

00:46:01.820 what we've

00:46:02.400 done

00:46:02.680 is

00:46:03.140 he's

00:46:04.540 saying

00:46:05.020 through his

00:46:05.820 domestic terrorism

00:46:06.860 designation of

00:46:08.020 Antifa

00:46:08.520 he's

00:46:10.000 instructing

00:46:10.860 law enforcement

00:46:12.300 to use

00:46:12.920 all of its

00:46:13.560 federal skills

00:46:14.600 across the

00:46:15.540 government

00:46:15.940 whether it's

00:46:17.480 IRS

00:46:17.940 or FBI

00:46:19.920 U.S.

00:46:20.720 Marshal

00:46:21.000 Service

00:46:21.500 to investigate

00:46:22.620 them

00:46:23.640 money

00:46:24.640 and

00:46:25.640 money

00:46:26.640 goes

00:46:27.640 down

00:46:28.640 and

00:46:29.640 it

00:46:30.640 goes

00:46:31.640 down

00:46:32.640 and

00:46:33.640 it

00:46:34.640 goes

00:46:35.640 to

00:46:36.640 an

00:46:37.640 entity

00:46:38.640 that

00:46:39.640 is

00:46:40.640 allowed

00:46:41.640 to

00:46:42.640 the

00:46:43.640 society

00:46:44.640 groups

00:46:45.640 or

00:46:46.640 whatever

00:46:47.640 and

00:46:48.640 the

00:46:49.640 money

00:46:50.640 is

00:46:52.640 an

00:46:53.640 entity

00:46:54.640 that

00:46:55.640 is

00:46:56.640 allowed

00:46:57.640 to

00:46:58.640 receive

00:46:59.640 the

00:47:00.640 money

00:47:01.640 from

00:47:02.640 them

00:47:03.640 not

00:47:04.640 a 501

00:47:05.640 C3

00:47:06.640 and that

00:47:07.640 money gets

00:47:08.640 distributed.

00:47:09.640 Do you think the people at the top of those organizations know?

00:47:10.640 They don't want to know.

00:47:11.640 They don't want that direct connection.

00:47:13.640 Are our laws sufficient now for that type of a top-down accountability structure?

00:47:17.640 No, we need to adjust.

00:47:18.640 I think there needs to be some reworking of some of these laws that address RICO in a way that would make it more applicable for what Antifa and some of these other groups are doing.

00:47:29.640 What about the recent decision this past week for President Trump designating Antifa a terrorist organization? Does that unlock certain capabilities?

00:47:37.640 It does not, but it directs and provides motivation for them to use the, you know, all the legal authorities that we do have. Now, it also allows, you know, we got to designate Antifa a foreign terrorist organization and I don't think that was done. And then you do unlock some other intelligence and federal authorities that, because then you're, if you're supporting Antifa and you're coordinating, training, facilitating, you know, with the outside or getting support

00:48:07.620 from the outside, then you can really get the hook into them.

00:48:10.620 Do you, do you have any worry at all that if we're real effective at this strategy that, like, we could wake up in a world where the left had power again and they designate CPAC a foreign terrorist organization because they have a meeting in Hungary or turning point as a chapter in Australia? I mean, do you worry that, that, that we're now entering a cycle of tit for tat? And I know, you know, part of that is, well, they've already hunted us.

00:48:36.620 Right. And so we certainly want to reset the turns.

00:48:39.620 Well, there are criteria. There are legal criteria and I can't go through all those right now, but, you know, you bring up a very good point and I acknowledge it. And that's why, you know, there has to be, you know, oversight, legal review, and standards.

00:48:52.620 And I go back to Mr. Durham's comment. What's the point of having policies, laws, you know, regulations, if the people aren't going to follow them? And I have trust and confidence in Cash and Bongino and Pam Bondi and John Radcliffe, et cetera, to do the right thing and to follow the law because they are meticulous about that.

00:49:16.620 They are. I, I take some, um, exception with Durham's work because he didn't answer some critical questions.

00:49:23.620 Absolutely. And I really hope that Tulsi and Cash and Radcliffe answer these questions because they're not impossible to get answers to.

00:49:31.620 Who was running Mifsud and who was running Downer?

00:49:35.620 Bingo. Bingo.

00:49:36.620 And like, we're deep in the rabbit hole now, but, but that's okay.

00:49:38.620 But Joseph Mifsud.

00:49:39.620 Like, who was, who was that guy answering to?

00:49:42.620 Yeah. I, I understand that.

00:49:44.620 How do we not know that yet, Colonel Harvey?

00:49:46.620 We, we've, we've had control of the government for almost a year and we still don't know who Mifsud was answering to and who Downer was answering to.

00:49:53.620 These were spies who were working against our own government and our own efforts possibly directed by our government.

00:50:03.620 Right.

00:50:04.620 You go back to that London connection and Mifsud had an apartment in London.

00:50:10.620 He had his home in Italy and his family was from Malta.

00:50:14.620 Okay.

00:50:15.620 And we went after that and so did, you know, Durham.

00:50:20.620 And I think that attorney general Garland extremely circums, you know, circumvented that report that Durham had.

00:50:30.620 And that's one of the things I have been consistently calling for.

00:50:33.620 I want all the papers, all the investigative notes, all the depositions that were done by Durham.

00:50:41.620 And I want those to be reviewed and released, at least made available to a committee, whether it's judiciary or somebody else to go through.

00:50:51.620 And let's see what's there, because I know from working with them that they had a lot on Mifsud.

00:50:57.620 Wow.

00:50:58.620 And they had a lot on the Pentagon connection to this too.

00:51:02.620 What a great cliffhanger.

00:51:04.620 Colonel Harvey calling for the release of all the Durham transcripts, notes and investigative materials.

00:51:08.620 We probably shouldn't have to wait decades like we had to wait for the JFK files and these others.

00:51:15.620 Colonel Harvey, I truly appreciate your service to the country.

00:51:17.620 I'm grateful that you're continuing to serve at the local level.

00:51:21.620 But I have to ask, I mean, having been a congressional staffer in this crucible moment,

00:51:26.620 now understanding what it's like to respond to constituent emails and wave on the side of the road,

00:51:32.620 would you ever consider running for Congress?

00:51:34.620 I reside in CD6 in Maryland, which is gerrymandered.

00:51:40.620 And so we've got a lot of Montgomery County.

00:51:42.620 So they make it almost impossible for a Republican to run there.

00:51:46.620 But the last two there, Democrats, very wealthy, don't live in the district,

00:51:51.620 and they can spend $20 million to run in a district that they don't live in, but they're going to win.

00:51:58.620 OK, so it's very hard to win in Maryland because it's not a level playing field.

00:52:03.620 And, you know, I think with a new census and more election integrity efforts,

00:52:08.620 you know, we might be able to get there where there's some balance in some of these states.

00:52:12.620 Thank you so much for joining me, Colonel Harvey.

00:52:14.620 God bless you.

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - September 25, 2025

The Anchormen Show Ep 61- Crucible Moment w⧸ Col. Derek Harvey

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