The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show Ep 65- Hold the Line w⧸ Royce White

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and dan ball

00:00:11.360 welcome back to the anchorman show we're going to talk politics we're going to talk maga we're

00:00:19.600 going to talk mental health we're going to talk sports i have on the show today the person who

00:00:25.800 by far is the most interesting political candidate in america now i don't know that he's the most

00:00:32.220 likely to win and that's because he's fighting behind enemy lines in a deep blue state that has

00:00:38.920 elected democrats statewide with some regularity but royce white is unlike any candidate you've

00:00:45.100 heard of this guy has achieved at the highest levels of athletics and he did something that

00:00:52.080 you don't typically see in sports he made change at great personal cost what we see so much now

00:00:58.020 is uh is selfishness and this is a guy who did things a different way i want you to know and i

00:01:03.780 want you to learn more about this man running in chop a really a chopping the wood campaign

00:01:09.720 for the united states senate in minnesota how he went from one of the top picks in the nba draft

00:01:15.860 to someone who really drove one of the most powerful institutions in american culture and american life

00:01:21.940 uh to reforms that were badly needed and this is the second hour of our discussion i would encourage

00:01:27.700 you to check out the call me crazy podcast my man royce white is the host yeah i was on his show

00:01:34.020 this week and i had so much fun uh i wanted to continue the conversation royce thank you so much

00:01:40.100 for being back with me and i gotta tell you man when uh when we did your show that was like the first

00:01:45.620 time i was able to laugh and uh have a moment of relief really since the passing of my friend charlie

00:01:52.080 kirk it has been rough and grief stricken and uh i think when when we got a chance to just uh chat on

00:01:58.760 your show about what was going on in the world uh it was uh it was a port in the storm for me what

00:02:03.900 were you doing when you found out that that charlie had been killed and what was your reaction to

00:02:07.980 those events well uh i've been in the middle of uh the campaign trail here you know 2026 is going

00:02:15.940 to be a referendum on the american people again and maybe every election now into the foreseeable

00:02:20.500 future uh so i'm heavy on the campaign trail every day every week plus trying to do the podcast the

00:02:25.540 radio show and all the other things that that i'm involved with and and i got a call uh i was out

00:02:31.480 speaking to a group of people a bpou a basic political operating unit here in the state of

00:02:36.420 i got a call and uh at first i didn't even believe it right i mean i think a lot of us were in

00:02:41.240 disbelief i went to social media saw the video now your first instinct is this is ai generated you know

00:02:47.640 some crazy leftist is doing something really perverted and depicting an assassination of charlie

00:02:53.380 kirk or whatnot and then when i found out it was real because i got a flood of calls i mean i was just

00:02:59.220 in disbelief man i broke into tears and and my first thing was to pray that he was going to be okay

00:03:04.940 although when i saw the injury i i had a lot of uh i had a lot of doubt that that he'd be able to

00:03:11.540 survive that that type of injury um but you know i still allowed myself to pray and we should never

00:03:17.640 uh you know never uh you know give up on miracles but yeah man when when it when it was declared that

00:03:26.240 he had died just a moment of disbelief you know disbelief at first because how great charlie was uh as as a

00:03:34.040 young leader you know as a young man as a as a you know a general in this movement of trying to save

00:03:39.540 this republic um disbelief but then great great concern you know for the state of our nation and

00:03:48.160 and the political rhetoric and vitriol and just how how crazy things have gotten especially being here

00:03:53.460 in minnesota i mean you know where charlie was in in utah utah valley isn't particularly some you know

00:03:59.240 leftist hellhole like i live in in minnesota so my first thought after afterward is you know this

00:04:04.880 shit is about to get shit is about to get crazy and and i think it is you know and and maybe that's

00:04:10.100 part partly that's that's what just has to happen history tells us uh but it doesn't uh it doesn't

00:04:15.440 give you any more solace from the situation you know i do want to talk more about where we are

00:04:20.900 in the landscape of rising political violence certainly in minnesota you've seen that and

00:04:25.940 really some bizarre facts and and strange happenings there that that ended terribly and tragically

00:04:32.480 but first royce i think people need to get to know you a little bit better because you are not like

00:04:39.020 a someone who comes up in the traditional candidate uh pipeline i i you know the i don't think you were

00:04:45.260 the chamber of commerce president you weren't in the state legislature uh you know you uh you weren't

00:04:51.000 like the scion of some great fortune uh in need of a job but with a robust trust fund you were an

00:04:58.080 exceptional athlete a high draft pick in the nba draft and uh if you how would you answer the

00:05:05.040 question how did royce white get the nba to change their mental health policies well that that's an

00:05:13.540 interesting uh interesting story one that i i have a shortage of time to tell because it was

00:05:19.680 it was the the central part of most of my 20s right and your 20s they say they fly by not when you're

00:05:27.600 fighting a billion dollar multinational corporation about policy and you don't really have much help

00:05:34.140 and when i say help like you said i wasn't the president chamber of congress i wasn't a state

00:05:40.000 legislator i also don't come from you know that echelon of society so when you decide to go up

00:05:45.620 against the nba at 21 years old you know all you really have are your wits and the truth and um

00:05:52.280 yeah i mean i guess i was fortunate in my situation with the nba in that now i've been vindicated we're in

00:06:01.820 a full-blown mental health crisis around the world especially in this country but around the world

00:06:06.280 um i was vindicated that mental health was the crisis i said that it was back in 2012

00:06:11.280 and you know at the time i had just been diagnosed with anxiety disorder myself right around 16 17

00:06:18.960 learning how to deal with it still was able to be an all-american high school athlete still was able

00:06:23.520 to be a collegiate all-american athlete had great success at iowa state university played

00:06:28.160 a fantastic season there one that was historical in many in many ways i was the only player in the in

00:06:34.500 the country that year to lead my team in all five major stat categories so you know a phenomenal

00:06:40.420 year while dealing with anxiety and understanding what it was for the first time i got drafted and

00:06:46.760 during my draft process you know something really interesting happened my anxiety which i had spoken

00:06:54.120 about publicly became a very uh you know huge piece of the the pre-draft narrative and all these

00:07:02.720 players have some pre-draft story right you got some kid who's from lithuania and we don't know

00:07:07.060 if he's going to be tough enough to make it in the american play you got some kid who had

00:07:10.640 you know uh maybe some legal issues but he's found his way back and all of a sudden now he's going to

00:07:15.420 get his chance to shine and you know all the other regular basketball and athletic stuff that you have

00:07:19.980 in these these draft uh you know draft media let's say but my anxiety story was unique because a lot of

00:07:26.780 players didn't talk about mental health issues publicly really at that time in 2012 barely anybody

00:07:34.640 was talking about mental health issues publicly it was still sort of a hush hush uh part of the

00:07:40.180 conversation well did teams meet with you royce did teams meet with you and talk to you about it before

00:07:45.360 the draft because like yes it's not exactly like it caused you to fall out of the draft i mean you were

00:07:50.500 you were a very well i mean that's interesting well here let me let me let me tell you you know

00:07:54.820 so when i got into the pre-draft process what you're talking about you fly around to all of these cities

00:08:01.400 and you you go and work out for these teams and then they interview you behind the scenes you're there

00:08:05.500 for a weekend or a couple days or whatever uh that's all part of standard pre-draft process for all of

00:08:10.260 these these young nba players or college players that are making the transition and um i i went on some of

00:08:17.820 those trips and while i was there everybody wanted to ask me about anxiety you know my anxiety disorder

00:08:22.440 now to backtrack just a moment how i how this whole thing blew up i was getting interviewed by espn because

00:08:28.880 iowa state was having such a you know an underdog cinderella type of season and uh espn writer was

00:08:36.140 asking me what my game day ritual was and i i let it slip that i don't eat on game day and i said it's

00:08:41.160 because my stomach is usually uneasy from anxiety and the the espn writer hold uh hold hold the phone

00:08:48.520 here what do you mean anxiety you got to tell me about that so i end up telling them and it became

00:08:53.060 a front page story on espn.com i had no clue it wasn't premeditated it was just kind of you know

00:08:58.360 stumbled out there anyway so that's how the whole thing kind of unraveled so by the time i get the

00:09:02.940 pre-draft i mean i'm 21 years old i'm like you know go ask your team doctor go ask the medical

00:09:10.600 director from the nba go ask one of these you know pfizers or one of these medical you know

00:09:15.360 tycoons that have all the experts and whatnot uh i can only answer a question at 21 years old as best

00:09:21.540 as i can and i tried to do that and somehow i was still drafted i was slotted to be a top five pick

00:09:28.240 because of my talent nba ready size skill i have the third largest hands uh ever recorded in nba draft

00:09:35.760 combine history i believe it was draymond green who said uh just quite recently i think within the

00:09:42.360 last like couple years he said if royce white was still in the nba right now he would be dominant

00:09:47.620 you had the you had the ability to be an absolute dominant and be a player from hall of fame or draymond

00:09:53.800 green that's not nothing yeah no and i appreciate draymond a lot for saying that he's from michigan so

00:09:59.500 when you come up in the basketball world you're sort of uh you know you develop fringe on a regional

00:10:04.140 basis because you're at some of the same tournaments i've been been a good friends with draymond for a

00:10:08.700 while and he's he's an incredible uh athlete and and even a better competitor because he's not the

00:10:14.840 most talented guy but he's been able to create a hall of fame career by hard work and grit and i think

00:10:20.760 america needs more of that um but but anyway so you know i was supposed to be drafted high i end up

00:10:27.540 falling to 16 the rock rockets picked me and uh right away when i got you know settled down in

00:10:34.940 houston uh i started well there was a rookie transition program for everybody in the audience

00:10:40.600 this may not interest you but it's it is an interesting thing that takes place where

00:10:44.340 uh the nba is so afraid that young college players that are transitioning to the nba will be taken

00:10:50.980 advantage of by their family and women and you know financial people or lawyers that they have a

00:10:56.320 seminar that they hold in hoboken new jersey every year after the draft called the rookie transition

00:11:02.480 program when i was there uh they have all these presenters you know ex-players and lawyers and

00:11:08.760 doctors and it's just a huge you know three-day seminar when i was there i heard chris heron speak

00:11:14.160 for those who don't remember chris heron was a great player from the upper east coast area tri-state area

00:11:19.220 had some problems with drug drug addiction okay uh much older than me probably 30 20 years older than me

00:11:25.560 but anyway when i was sitting there listening to his story in the seminar and he talked about a lot

00:11:29.880 of things he had struggled with the dark places from being addicted to heroin and you know really

00:11:34.000 tough drugs it resonated because when you have anxiety you have panic attacks mine weren't drug

00:11:40.300 related but the emotions can be the same the feelings of uncertainty and things like that and you

00:11:45.760 know fear and not being able to you know really trust who you can talk to about certain things so i

00:11:51.660 understood chris heron's story even though i've never been a person who dealt with drug drug addiction

00:11:56.760 so anyway i go back to houston i ask my team can you show me the policies regarding mental health

00:12:04.180 just a basic meeting question from a guy who has a public anxiety disorder on on paper and i just want

00:12:11.400 to know like all right what's the what's the you know what's the the culture here what's the thinking

00:12:16.180 about you know my diagnosis and mainly because i was prescribed xanax to ride on planes right and

00:12:23.840 xanax benzodiazepine some of the most prescribed drugs in the entire world right and dangerous too

00:12:30.080 that's why they they they actually had them on a banned substance list in the nba protocol so i'm

00:12:35.660 sitting here looking at this banned substance list and i go oh xanax i'm actually prescribed that is it

00:12:39.520 okay for me to take it i ask my team they go no you can take it because you're prescribed and i go okay

00:12:44.120 but how do you guys feel about me taking it it's one thing for me to you know technically be able

00:12:49.000 to take a drug it's another thing of how it's perceived from the league from the institution

00:12:53.320 and they were like yeah you know we'll talk about that at a later time i said okay brought it back up

00:12:59.340 and i said okay so what's the policy around mental health and there actually wasn't a single mention

00:13:04.460 of mental health in the entire collective bargaining agreement not one mention and for those who don't

00:13:10.460 follow sports i know a lot of our conservative fans are like yeah sports you know whatever it's

00:13:15.840 not it's not important for those who do follow sports you know that the nba collective bargaining

00:13:20.240 agreement along with all the other professional sports leagues are some of the most thorough legal

00:13:24.420 documents that you can find because they're so worried about the liability that comes along with

00:13:30.080 high value athletes um they're they're pretty they're pretty thorough in their in their legal

00:13:35.420 language maybe not well now there's a now there's a ton of language on this now well now there's a

00:13:40.200 ton of language on this because players will regularly just take a game off for personal

00:13:45.660 reasons and there's not some great inquiry into why or how it was mind-blowing to me yeah i i because

00:13:52.780 yeah i i know you i know what happened to you and then i i see oh well kyle lowry's just not playing

00:13:58.700 tonight for personal reasons yeah everyone's okay not just tonight for four four games straight or two

00:14:03.780 weeks or a month or you know i'm just sitting out indefinitely because we're not doing so well this

00:14:09.300 year and it doesn't really make sense to risk injuring a player that we really have as a key

00:14:13.460 piece of our future i mean and that see that whole it's crazy because as you know from being in dc and

00:14:18.740 you know the political world there or just you know our culture and society writ large things change

00:14:24.420 quick i mean we haven't seen it more than maybe in the last five years uh you know in america maybe here

00:14:30.100 in minneapolis the belly of the beast we're kind of the epicenter of you know the start of this

00:14:33.480 whole change with george floyd but um it was crazy because when i when i went to the nba and we

00:14:39.400 finally started to sit down after a big public dispute about what we do regarding the mental

00:14:44.580 health policy my my request was simple just just put something in there an addendum about mental

00:14:51.080 health that says you know we're going to use the same protocol as regular health or or you know that

00:14:56.540 the drug you know the banned substance list uh isn't you know is reflective of understanding that some

00:15:02.280 of our players are prescribed these drugs that are dangerous they're dangerous for a reason but we

00:15:06.360 don't look at them as drug seeking you know uh you know addicts because they they may have these drugs

00:15:12.760 in their system or whatnot right so at the time when i asked those questions can we put a policy in place

00:15:19.800 can we put some type of addendum can we do something a collective bargaining agreement that at least

00:15:24.180 doesn't leave a player like me prescribed xanax and free agency going yeah well he's a xanax user it's

00:15:30.440 like nah come on we gotta do better than that do you know so the the response to me was twofold one

00:15:36.560 you're 21 shut the shut the f up just play right we don't want to hear your opinions about our

00:15:43.440 collective bargaining agreement we're lawyers right everybody who works at the nba office from adam

00:15:47.840 silver on down are you know basically a bunch of lawyers we don't want to hear your opinions about

00:15:53.120 policy even though we admit seems to be an oversight of policy but we still don't want to hear your

00:16:00.140 opinion because you're just a basketball player and secondly um if you're willing to play if you'll

00:16:07.240 shut up and just go along when you have enough fame uh money when you've scored enough points when you

00:16:15.160 have enough leverage then you'll be able to force us to do what we already agree we should do when it

00:16:22.040 comes to policy and all of that non-starter to me i was just like i'm so offended by what you're saying

00:16:27.500 if you if you agree that this should be changed then just change it i don't want to you know have

00:16:34.020 to jump through a bunch of hoops as a 21 year old to convince you to change something you just said

00:16:39.040 should be changed they were just telling you that because they figured look they could you know run

00:16:43.940 you out of the league if they wanted to if you became too much of a problem and if you didn't realize

00:16:49.020 your full potential as a player you likely wouldn't even have that leverage at any point to be able to

00:16:54.560 force a change yeah well leverage is a funny word in that way right i mean leverage is an action word

00:16:59.640 you have to you have to be willing to use the leverage in order for it to even exist and so you

00:17:04.440 know you know when when when they told me that i was again i was just offended by the whole by the

00:17:10.880 whole premise and i guess the answer to your question is no because they end up putting the

00:17:15.380 policy in place anyway in fact i i wrote a suggested uh protocol myself because they you know

00:17:22.460 they come to me they ask me well what do you want i'm like you know all right let me take a crack at

00:17:26.760 it the policy that i actually wrote verbatim is the policy they ended up putting in place

00:17:32.140 once i was already exiled from the league players thanked you for that i've always wondered this

00:17:36.880 yeah because your thing was very public yeah kevin love thanked me publicly on x he may have

00:17:42.540 deleted it now because i know he's more of the liberal varieties ever since i started uh supporting

00:17:47.380 president trump you know publicly i'm sure a lot of the ex you know the nba players who were formerly

00:17:53.440 supportive of me helping pioneer that change no longer are willing to stand by stand by that so

00:17:59.380 but kevin love you know posted about and a bunch of other players because remember there was a huge

00:18:03.940 you know uh you know waterfall of players after i had been exiled from the league with kevin love

00:18:11.100 demar de rosen and then there was the floodgates open you had joey crawford who was a lifelong

00:18:15.420 referee saying i've been dealing with anxiety for 15 years right so it was like this entire

00:18:20.540 you know uh movement that sort of took place right around 2016 and you know that was four years after

00:18:27.180 i was drafted and then they put a protocol in place how much you know to this day it really you

00:18:31.960 got to realize i'm 34 kyrie irving is a year younger than me and there are players who are probably

00:18:37.860 four or five years older than me that are still playing in the league today i theoretically like

00:18:43.020 draymond green said could be playing right now but the nba won't even mention my name i mean they are

00:18:48.960 so afraid of what took place with me uh that that i'm like persona non grata i'm i'm blacklisted at like

00:18:56.020 career you understand that this this is what cost you your career in the nba was this and people ask me

00:19:01.700 people people ask me all the time matt what makes you qualified to run for office you didn't graduate

00:19:07.680 college you don't come from any field of expertise like you said your parents weren't lawyers or doctors

00:19:13.040 or politician what qualifies you to run for office and my and my answer is one thing i had an opportunity

00:19:20.600 to make hundreds of millions of dollars and on principle i stood up for the truth and that alone

00:19:26.080 should be the highest qualifier i mean i i shouldn't have to say more than that now i have bona fides in

00:19:31.840 a number of different topics i talk geopolitics you know geopolitics and foreign policy and i'm very

00:19:37.540 airtight on the policy part because that's just my personal enthusiasm and interest but on face value

00:19:44.440 the people who were willing to give up hundreds of millions of dollars on principle are probably the

00:19:50.780 most the most desperate uh uh the people we need in dc more desperate than anyone else more desperately

00:19:59.520 than anyone else you're like our dave chappelle dave chappelle says in his uh in his stand-up routine

00:20:06.460 closer uh he says you you know you basically you could trust me because i left the money on the bus

00:20:12.380 you know i left 50 million dollars on the bus uh that does speak i mean do you think that you do you

00:20:18.760 think that that stand cost you 50 million dollars 50 you gotta you gotta realize matt draymond green

00:20:27.500 and draymond green said in the in the clip that you're referencing that i was more talented than him

00:20:33.760 right as a basketball player draymond green has probably made 200 million dollars in the nba

00:20:38.560 if not more with all the endorsements included um yeah he would say he was more of a dog than you

00:20:44.540 he would he would not say that he would no he would say no no i was a dog i mean i was mean i was i was

00:20:52.260 not a prima donna sort of finessey player i was stronger than draymond i was bigger than draymond i

00:20:58.560 was a little taller than draymond and i was a i was an animal i had an animal you go back and you watch

00:21:03.520 my highlights iowa state i was animalistic you wouldn't like that you wouldn't like royce white the

00:21:08.040 basketball player royce white the politician is much more approachable royce white the basketball player

00:21:13.100 would would throw you on the ground and stand over you in a in a heartbeat right but draymond's the same

00:21:18.580 basketball that's so different than so much of what the nba is now but but i do want to get to how

00:21:23.420 this credentials you for public office because that is the core of why i believe in your candidacy

00:21:28.720 i guess i get asked questions sometimes oh royce white you know he he can't win in minnesota

00:21:34.440 we need to find some like overweight dairy farmer with a great head of hair and like you know

00:21:40.260 uh perfect life perfect family uh you know was the was the head of the club at the local high school

00:21:48.420 whatever and what i know is that we have elected those people for generations who had perfect lives

00:21:55.760 who never met in any mistakes who you know um on paper look like the most upstanding folks and i've

00:22:02.700 seen those people come here and sell out and i they've sold out our country for the debt they've sold

00:22:08.160 out for the wars they've sold out to a surveillance state that punishes people amen and i i just believe

00:22:14.840 that like whatever warts your candidacy has on it you would not sell out you've had the chance you left

00:22:21.380 the money on the bus you stood up for what you believed in and maybe people will watch this and say

00:22:26.560 that is crazy he should have just taken the xanax and shut up he should have just done what they wanted

00:22:32.000 and realize god gave him this size and talent but matt wait hang on hang on here's what's scary

00:22:39.180 some of those people would be conservative some of those people would also complain that this country

00:22:46.520 has been ruined by the people who sold out and that's where you know we live in the strangest of

00:22:51.860 times you know where people are living out uh you know ideological catch-22s on both sides of the

00:22:58.160 aisle and we got to deal with it on our side of the aisle first the conservative side but imagine

00:23:02.080 if president trump in the twilight of his life as a billionaire you know uh you know a hospitality

00:23:07.060 tycoon just said you know what do i really need the the hassle the headache of taking on the deep state

00:23:14.720 do you know i could just take my money i take my winnings i i i worked hard i was successful i can do

00:23:21.640 everything you know i can do anything i want to do in the world i can go anywhere i want to go in the

00:23:25.680 world do i really need the hassle of of risking my life in my freedom my reputation my social status

00:23:33.540 by trying to save this republic so if you see that in president trump the same thing is true of

00:23:39.080 of me the difference is uh i didn't have a billion dollar company to make the choice about i was just a

00:23:45.220 young kid coming from a working class community uh and the nba was was my whole world it was it was all

00:23:51.800 i felt that i had and i still decided to stand on the principle even though uh it was it was really

00:23:58.900 you know the only source of of professional success that was visible for me at the time i didn't have

00:24:05.320 many many other avenues whether it was you know economically certainly not socially because it

00:24:10.880 doesn't get any more socially you know elevated than professional sports in america but i didn't have

00:24:16.500 any of those other options i just stood on principle and i said you know what if this is the if i have to

00:24:21.140 walk away from the public stage in shame and laughter and you know financial ruin uh having

00:24:29.260 being able never be able to play the the game that i spent a lifetime working on and honing a craft

00:24:35.020 fine because if if you don't tell the truth if you're not willing to stand on the truth with it all on the

00:24:40.740 line it's kind of always all on the line in some sense you know you'll find that slippage that moral

00:24:46.740 hazard where you'll start justifying where you don't have to stand on the truth so yeah there

00:24:53.480 would be no one else like you in the senate i can't i can't imagine that there has been uh you know i

00:24:58.920 guess you know you have maverick figures like rand paul who do stand on principle and you can agree

00:25:05.700 with them or disagree with them but uh that that would be an example you know as as you observe this

00:25:11.280 government shutdown like if you were in the senate right now what would you be telling the other

00:25:17.240 republicans to be doing what would be the the royce white game plan for this moment in this shutdown if

00:25:23.780 you were in the senate today i'm so excited when we get our meriwether farm shipments in you get a

00:25:29.440 beautiful piece of ribeye look look at that marbling now i take it out of the package let it get down to

00:25:34.960 room temperature all i've got on here is a little salt a little pepper and then a little avocado oil

00:25:39.860 and then i've had my pan preheating with a little oil

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00:25:55.360 i'd say hold the line let the thing shut down put you would say don't allow the democrats any

00:26:05.540 concessions on the obamacare subsidies make note not a single inch let russ go to work let the

00:26:13.260 president go to work let the thing but you see i'm radical matt you know that i mean i'm rad when

00:26:18.400 it comes to policy i'm radical radical and you know that's why in a place like minnesota where you

00:26:23.460 have a lot of uh what they call plum line republicans or or nikki haley you know milquetoast moderates

00:26:29.200 you know it was it's a miracle that i it's not a miracle it's a sign that the mega movement has

00:26:34.440 taken the republican party nationwide that i was able to win a primary a republican party primary

00:26:39.920 in a moderate republican place like minnesota even the republicans who used to be plumb line are sick

00:26:45.380 of the shit they're saying you you plumb line republic republicans have had minnesota for 30 years

00:26:50.960 and look what happened it's the it's the epicenter of marxism uh you know and ilhan omar's you know

00:26:56.980 running around like she's queen of the queen of the world it's it's ridiculous we're tired of it so

00:27:01.600 you're so right the benedict arnolds of your state or whoever the people were who said to bill clinton

00:27:07.100 yep you know what bring them here you got a bunch of desperate people from the from the deserts of

00:27:13.340 somalia we think they'll do great in minnesota we think they'll get here and do great like whoever

00:27:17.480 were the people in minnesota who just warmly embraced that i think were were absolute traitors to

00:27:24.220 your state well and like i said before ilhan omar she's got a lot of nerve white supremacy genocide

00:27:32.000 free palace i'm not making a comment about that issue we could talk about that i'm sure that's

00:27:36.460 an entire episode for us because that was your anti-semite of the year for some reason i'm so many

00:27:41.660 jews hanging out with me and around me in the campaign the other side of the aisle says i'm a

00:27:46.140 shill for israel it's just it's hard to deal with but my point is ilhan omar's got a lot of nerve

00:27:51.100 her father was a general that led a genocide throughout the horn of africa she was he was a

00:27:58.760 nationalist socialist somali war general who led a genocide of an estimated hundreds of thousands of

00:28:05.960 black people africans blacks through the horn of africa and he was working with our security state

00:28:13.040 he the reason why ilhan omar came here is because her father was on the side uh there in africa

00:28:20.100 like we see so many times from our you know military industrial complex we side with certain

00:28:25.580 groups we fund certain groups to overthrow or stabilize or whatever excuse we make and that's

00:28:31.080 how she ended up here in the first place i mean i've been saying since i tried if we fund them they

00:28:35.340 should have to stay i don't think that's too much to ask if we fund someone's you know genocide

00:28:41.360 they should have to stay there amen and what what a racket right i mean if everywhere we go in the

00:28:48.800 world this is what happened to the uk the uk you know tried to the uk tried to pull a bait and switch

00:28:59.120 where they introduced all of what now is the the the you know marxism and communism and you know

00:29:06.280 secular humanism you know all of that ideological academic brouhaha you know they sort of phased it in

00:29:14.040 at the academic level there in europe to transition from the monarch colonial business model to this

00:29:20.100 post-modern uh you know european friendly business model where the whole thing's a contradiction

00:29:25.500 and the in part of part of the problem with it was they wanted to still live off of the fruit of the

00:29:34.360 colonial empire the commonwealths right it's like you still pay us tribute right we're gonna we're gonna

00:29:40.560 go down and divvy up the middle east carve it up you know divide and conquer pit people against each

00:29:46.220 other say it's on behalf of an ideology really it's about the money and the oil you mean you know how it

00:29:50.760 goes and and and then we have to let all these refugees come live on our shores and that's why

00:29:56.480 you you have more muhammad's than you have john's you know being born in in in the uk right now it's

00:30:02.820 because they they let the moral hazard get out of control from their previous decisions and they they

00:30:08.840 didn't know how to stop it their only answer in that woke liberal mind is well anybody who we stole

00:30:13.800 from and it was stealing okay you know it just it is what it is the british empire's business models

00:30:18.840 drugs piracy slavery all the way back to the east india trading company this is how they roll

00:30:23.620 and their their answer was just like you're in america our elites will go live in gated communities

00:30:29.940 all of you people deal with the hell that will be unleashed because we feel the only answer is to let

00:30:35.640 these people come live here you know as a response to what we did that is first of all it's weak okay

00:30:42.160 if you're gonna i'm radical like if you're gonna conquer some just conquer it don't come back and

00:30:47.100 apologize and then let every muhammad have to come live you know in the black community because you

00:30:53.120 conquered some just conquer take it well if i mean that's isn't the lesson ultimately that no gated

00:30:58.280 community saves you from that like there's no if if you allow unchecked immigration right right there

00:31:05.500 there ultimately is a self-defeating component to that policy yes we don't have to look all the way

00:31:11.600 to the uk we just look look at new york i mean that that's what they're dealing with now and you know

00:31:16.960 they're on their way to rock bottom and it's going to be crazy to watch gotham just surrender

00:31:22.800 um but i also want to talk because you're on the campaign trail royce i want to get your assessment

00:31:27.880 of of where maga stands right now in preparation for this discussion i try to think if i had to

00:31:33.460 write down three words that described maga i would write anti-establishment uh blue collar

00:31:41.200 and masculine it is a decidedly masculine movement and that's not to say it's unwelcoming to women but

00:31:47.940 there's a lot of women who like masculine stuff and want to be around masculine energy and those

00:31:53.920 seem to be the women that are around the maga movement those who celebrate masculinity and so

00:31:58.740 when i think about anti-establishment blue collar masculine that's kind of the maga energy at its at

00:32:04.540 its core foundational base it's also the energy you're trying to bring to a campaign in a blue state

00:32:10.280 is there more growth on the side of getting men involved in you know in in this movement

00:32:17.460 some political experts have said we can take that number from 56 percent of the mail vote

00:32:23.500 president got and president trump got in 2024 we can get that upwards of 60 percent of the mail vote

00:32:29.620 is that possible and if so how do you make that kind of growth happen

00:32:33.480 absolutely i mean i think we're already seeing it here in minnesota you know in the high schools

00:32:40.760 and i just was at the minnesota state fair and there were so many young people that came up they

00:32:44.360 were enthusiastic about christ they were enthusiastic about maga and president trump and whatnot so the

00:32:50.220 young men are definitely turning at an all-time high rate so much so they used to do a lot of high

00:32:55.120 school sign up for voter registration for the seniors they stopped doing it in minnesota because 80

00:33:00.580 percent of the the graduating boys were leaning republicans so you know the department of

00:33:04.920 education here in minnesota put the kibosh on the whole program shut up and take your tampons young

00:33:10.300 men you no longer there you go we'll give you tampons we're not going to register you vote for

00:33:14.100 republicans but but um you know i think in order to grow the movement we have to double down on

00:33:19.000 something that naturally feels dangerous to us as as as men you know on a biological level look the

00:33:24.660 whole fight here especially for men in the west and men here in america is a sort of

00:33:30.540 uh uh natural law uh uh conflict culturally you know even you could say spiritually between us and

00:33:39.120 women between men and women and i've always said that the the the you know the the crisis of

00:33:44.380 femininity is a failure of masculinity in the maga movement we love women they they they kind of paint

00:33:50.060 us as women hating we love women i mean i i i love women i mean i love my mother i love my

00:33:57.000 grandmother i love my children's mother i love i've loved plenty of women in my lifetime my young

00:34:02.300 we just we just prefer the women to not have male genitalia which i don't think is asking too much

00:34:08.500 but here's a problem with the math matt and and and we have to be so so cautious of this

00:34:15.860 even you know even when men serve their best interest to vote maga let's say they have to fight

00:34:25.600 the the fear of losing all of their romantic and sexual pursuits i mean that's just what it is

00:34:31.620 uh and it's it's not just on the liberal democrat cuck end of things it it's also with your middle of the

00:34:37.520 role moderate republicans who are like yeah honey let's go to a nikki haley fundraiser because she'll

00:34:42.640 make a great president it's like you know and and and i don't think that they really believe nikki

00:34:48.020 haley would make a great president i think even in the middle of the conservative movement which is

00:34:53.740 evaporating quickly because of the absurdity on the left but even there in the middle we still have

00:34:58.520 uh some number of men who like president trump secretly you know not at the dinner table they like

00:35:04.920 president trump they like matt gates they love royce white they they would like to be more like

00:35:09.620 us in terms of masculine energy but they're afraid of divorce they're afraid of losing half their

00:35:15.540 assets they're afraid of of losing access to their children they're afraid of all of these things that

00:35:21.500 we have seen for generations comes along with conflict in the home in the marriage or let's say

00:35:27.580 even with a girlfriend i mean the me too movement scared men into a a sort of stiffness where every man

00:35:34.820 who's ever been with a woman now has to walk around with the fear that they may be accused

00:35:40.740 of some type of of sexual misconduct and oh by the way almost every breakup almost every breakup i know

00:35:47.260 about the woman starts with well let me tell you how emotionally abusive he was to me and i'm like of

00:35:53.060 course abusive is a really really loaded term right when you say someone's abusive like you get my attention

00:35:59.940 because no one should be abused in in any way but but this whole like emotionally abusive has become

00:36:06.260 a pseudonym for the breakup didn't go well um you know that he said some mean things to me when it

00:36:13.060 wasn't going to work out anymore and i think that those labels that have come at the conclusion of those

00:36:18.980 type of relationships have so many young men just terrified to go into relationships so then you get

00:36:25.860 lonely women you get terrified men and it starts to look like the erosion of the family which is

00:36:33.940 the core then you get a collapsing birth rate right yeah then you get a collapsing birth rate meanwhile

00:36:38.180 you know if you ever do make the magic happen to find a great person we've been subjected to such a

00:36:43.700 biological war of everything that's been like inundated on our bodies it is it is the type of stuff

00:36:50.340 that is the beginning of a cultural collapse but you began the discussion by centering around the

00:36:57.300 status of the american man today the western man today uh if that's the diagnosis what is the cure

00:37:05.380 well here and i'll say this because you know being forthright mea culpa i was wrong there is a mental

00:37:13.220 health crisis in this country and around the world but what i didn't realize in 2012 when i fought for

00:37:19.940 mental health policy was that the left the radical left planned to use mental health as a pretext

00:37:25.940 for all of their woke insanity i didn't realize that that was their agenda at 21 i wasn't i wasn't

00:37:31.860 wise enough or that engaged in politics to see that over the horizon uh and i don't think that the nba

00:37:38.180 didn't want to put mental health policy in because they were afraid of the woke agenda because look they

00:37:42.100 went well so that's not that's not their excuse but i feel bad about it because just like you were

00:37:48.660 describing uh mental health as a lexicon whether it's narcissism abuse uh you know you know whatever

00:37:57.140 it is uh is now used to try and stifle the rise the the rise of of masculinity that the mega movement

00:38:06.020 represents and it's it's hard because we kind of have to double down in the muck and i've seen you do it

00:38:12.260 you know and i respect you greatly and i will always respect you even if you didn't if we never spoke

00:38:18.340 and and you didn't support me and we both didn't love the great steve bannon or whatever the case may

00:38:23.380 be i would respect you because i've seen you willing to double down in the muck and say you know what

00:38:30.100 cast your soul stay what you want but this is the truth no matter what it costs me i have to say this

00:38:36.100 thing i think it's a great example for every young man that has any value of citizenship any national

00:38:42.420 honor any sacred honor uh you know from los angeles to new york city and back that is what we have to

00:38:48.500 do it's gonna sting like hell you're saying lose it's gonna well first of all let me let me just

00:38:54.180 you know here's the quiet part and i can't say this for every man but since i've

00:38:59.860 started supporting president trump there's been no shortage of of of romantic interest okay terrific

00:39:05.380 women in the mega movement terrific they're terrific women in the mega but here's the secret

00:39:12.100 these woke liberal women they're loud i don't even think they represent the majority of liberal women

00:39:18.020 they represent the far left they represent radical feminists and there is some crossover a bleed over

00:39:23.940 onto your average woman in america because the woman club is just kind of a club you know it's kind

00:39:29.380 of a a wink and nod club like we're all women come on the men suck right that that happens

00:39:34.980 but first of all a lot of crazy radical leftist women love alpha men love dominant men and see we

00:39:42.340 know that this isn't a theory people go oh well you're you know you're just this kid yeah well we

00:39:47.540 know it but here's the it's not just a personal you know i'm not speaking from you know personal

00:39:53.140 experience you're not speaking from personal experience when you say sometimes liberal women

00:39:56.660 love alpha men you're definitely speaking from personal experience i i could speak from personal

00:40:01.860 experience but i'm not in this instance okay in this instance i want to reference 50 shades of gray

00:40:08.260 50 shades of gray was the number one book in this country and around the world for a while and it was

00:40:15.380 wildly popular with people who you would probably guess vote for kamala harris right so there was an entire

00:40:23.060 there was an entire sexual fetish where radical feminists love the idea of a of a young uh

00:40:29.060 manufacturing tycoon who's got more money than midas tying them up and beating them across the back

00:40:34.180 with the billy club just the right amount i mean it's not conjecture i'm not making it up we all watch

00:40:38.900 the the cultural phenomenon so i just want to say to young men it may seem like you're going to lose

00:40:45.060 all romantic interests and pursuits but that's not really the case if you can just push through that

00:40:50.660 initial fear you'll find that there are a lot of women who do respect uh masculinity and and respect

00:40:57.060 reasonable sane logical male leadership and we do see that as women get married they become more

00:41:05.540 conservative that they vote republican more frequently uh and i i think that may be because

00:41:10.660 you're invested at least in a marriage you're invested in something uh you're invested in a

00:41:15.220 future of two people together hopefully a family hopefully a home uh royce i i want to talk about

00:41:21.860 the tactical level of your campaign because okay if you're able to pull this off it will create a

00:41:27.940 yellow brick road for a different type of candidacy and campaign the person you don't think they'll kill

00:41:34.180 me uh i i don't i don't think they'll be able to get away with that let's hope not um i would be

00:41:40.340 careful though i worry about everybody's safety a lot uh it's a crazy time but but in the event you win

00:41:46.100 this election there are a lot of people who are going to say look i i believe what royce white and matt

00:41:53.060 gates and steve bannon believe but i never thought i could run for office because uh i had some debts

00:41:59.620 i had a bad divorce some people said some bad things about me online and if you win you will

00:42:05.300 overcome you know an imperfect life to to have what could potentially be perfect representation

00:42:12.660 uh that is earnest and sincere uh but you i don't think you will win a campaign that is a battle over

00:42:19.380 how many gross rating points someone can buy on television uh i don't even know that you're going

00:42:23.940 to win a campaign based on how many facebook ads it can be purchased so how does a guy like

00:42:29.300 you um without the the rolodex of billionaires that people roll into these types of campaigns with

00:42:36.980 compete yeah well yeah well first of all you and i both know the the money in dc is obscene and the

00:42:44.340 the premise the starting premise that you you you conservatively need about 10 to 20 million dollars to

00:42:50.420 to be competitive in any u.s senate seat tells you what runs this country is special interests and

00:42:56.580 lobbies like you said there in the well of the congress and no better example than rafael warnock

00:43:01.220 raising 250 million dollars in a six-week runoff it was so disgusting i couldn't even believe my eyes

00:43:08.340 a quarter of a billion dollars for a runoff just just tell us that money runs our country or okay i mean

00:43:13.540 it's just it's kind of crazy but anyway um my philosophy since since i decided to run has always been

00:43:20.580 uh hold the line tell the truth hold the principle bring people towards the principle it may take

00:43:25.060 longer than the mainstream media will call political success but ultimately uh it's what we have to do

00:43:34.260 and so you know what i hope for in 2026 and not only in my race but for the entire country and i don't

00:43:40.180 mean to use charlie kirk as a as a political uh um you know stepping stool or anything of the sort

00:43:47.540 you know again it was just awful and and really unacceptable what happened to charlie kirk and i hope we get

00:43:52.980 all the details that we we deserve can't have any grassy knolls but i hope that we're at a watershed

00:44:00.260 moment for the christian community and we really need to be politically i i you know you and i talked

00:44:04.900 about this the other day but you know my plan strategically is the twin cities the working

00:44:11.620 class will continue to be a place we can turn to to try and swing votes based on economic sanity

00:44:18.740 economic reality but in order to really win with some uh certainty some some comfort some confidence

00:44:27.220 here in minnesota we're going to need the one point the estimated 1.4 million christians and

00:44:32.180 conservatives that didn't vote to vote nationwide we're going to need the 30 million estimated 30

00:44:37.460 million voter age christians that didn't vote in 2024 and the reason i say that is because

00:44:43.300 if the american vox populi vox day i'm a big believer in that you know if you're a populist you kind of

00:44:50.180 have to be a believer in a saying like that but if we're at a point in this country where our christian

00:44:58.180 community uh doesn't see the danger on the horizon with young children being slaughtered at a catholic

00:45:05.300 school here in minneapolis for example while they prayed or or uh you know a young white girl being

00:45:10.420 stabbed to death uh on on a bus there in in in in north carolina or or even charlie kirk being

00:45:17.540 assassinated i mean charlie kirk is a as an amazing christian figure and has i think inspired an entire

00:45:25.540 christian generation if this isn't our moment in 2026 where the christians finally stand up and say

00:45:30.900 you know what we've had enough of this okay we've had enough of the radical islam we've had enough of

00:45:36.180 transgender jihadists we've had enough of of men going on strolling into the women's bathroom we've

00:45:41.700 had enough on the open attack against christians in general we've had enough of this if this isn't

00:45:46.340 the moment in 2026 then i guess i kind of have to be okay with losing because it's not really a reflection

00:45:52.420 on me or you or president trump it's my opinion we can't go back to the left one inch and i know the

00:46:00.260 far left is considered the boogeyman i'm just as afraid of the the centrist middle i'm afraid of the

00:46:07.300 the the purveyors of the status quo who built the dc unit party the permanent political class

00:46:12.820 that allowed the left to dominate that allowed the left to grow and fester and and sort of uh explode

00:46:20.260 without the necessary pushback i'm just as afraid of the mitchell mcconnell's as i am the ilhan omars and

00:46:27.220 a lot of republicans still haven't gotten there yet they go ah well mitch at least he's a republican

00:46:32.180 everybody from mitch all the way over to uh i don't know ibrahim x they're all in the same boat to me

00:46:39.300 now people look at the math and go well how do you win if you don't get the mitchell mcconnell well

00:46:44.020 there's an entire million christians out there that aren't even playing the game in minnesota and we need

00:46:49.220 them to to uh you know to to exchange you know let's swap them for the mitch mcconnell's and then we'll

00:46:56.900 have the math and i think it's the math we need that way when a president trump says you know what

00:47:02.020 we're putting a travel ban on every country that has openly said death to america people don't find

00:47:08.020 that extreme anymore we have a populace in a in a mandate that actually represents the needs of our

00:47:13.940 country i'm black can i say black on black crime is an issue yeah yeah there was a person shot last

00:47:20.420 night in minneapolis at a nightclub shot in the head four people injured one person dead last night 12 hours

00:47:26.420 ago right here in the belly of the beast so and black people shooting black people i have to be

00:47:31.300 able to say that same thing to be said for the christian the need for christian morals and ethics

00:47:36.020 in this country but we got to get christians to vote somehow and if they don't vote then i guess you

00:47:41.060 and i and everybody else have to sit on that soapbox and bear our cross the same way christ did

00:47:46.500 well um i i do want to ask you about the political violence situation last subject i want to chat about

00:47:52.900 uh you guys have seen it in minnesota we've mentioned it a few times with charlie kirk how

00:47:59.380 bad is this going to get i mean this doesn't feel like the the end of this it feels like a rising

00:48:05.700 challenge where are we going uh you know we're going exactly where where we were uh engineered to go

00:48:16.900 in my opinion um you know the marxist the marxist baseline belief is that all revolutions are made

00:48:23.780 equal and righteous that all revolutions the net result of all revolutions are are positive it's

00:48:29.380 it's kind of the same belief uh about democracy right there's a heresy of democracy that says

00:48:35.380 all majorities are made equal and righteous and and we've we've uh you know we've accepted that

00:48:40.820 wholeheartedly in the west where many times we shouldn't have but i think this is all engineered where

00:48:46.900 you know the the marxists and the communists and that is who we face i mean i don't i don't really

00:48:52.500 miss words about it i think the the milquetoast middle uh elites think they can benefit from wherever

00:48:57.860 the political winds blow they don't realize how quick uh united health care ceo gets gunned down

00:49:04.020 on the new york city street when i'm sure he voted democrat i mean amy klobuchar got more united

00:49:09.300 health care group money than than any pack probably in the whole playing field so they killed one of their

00:49:14.420 own right and but i think these elites still think they can kind of carry the strings we see through

00:49:20.580 history when the marxists and the communists take over things get dark and they get dark real quick

00:49:24.740 because they're not anchored in reality i mean i come from the streets i come from the neighborhood where

00:49:30.020 there were beefs and there were gangs and there were you never you never ever disrespected the dead

00:49:38.020 you never celebrated a man's murder number one because you knew the consequences would probably

00:49:43.700 be violence towards you uh you know and and most times people you know have enough of violence at

00:49:49.300 some point but the left has no bottom uh you know when it comes to to the the violence and perversion

00:49:55.860 and that's why i say we can't go to the left at all it is going to get worse it's going to get worse

00:49:59.540 you and i both know it and you know hopefully by some miracle it doesn't but it will get worse

00:50:04.900 and and we should all be so lucky i want to say that in closing

00:50:09.620 we should all be so lucky as charlie and i really do mean that i don't mean it as hyperbole

00:50:15.140 uh you know the man was a father a husband a christian i consider him a brother he's obviously

00:50:19.620 a co-worker real america's voice and whatnot great young leader but we should all be so lucky that we can

00:50:26.100 give our life uh uh you know for the truth i mean as christians i think we're called to do that

00:50:32.900 in many ways it says it right there in the scripture but i really do think we're called to

00:50:36.180 do that especially in a time like this man where the satanist just kind of woke up one day and said

00:50:42.020 this is our this is our pitch you know we're going yard right here we're we're gonna we're gonna put a

00:50:47.540 satanic temple statue right there on the minnesota state capitol grounds you know we're gonna argue for

00:50:53.540 the equality of satanism right there at the government building i mean guys come on what are

00:50:59.940 we doing i just hope as a candidate at some point america wakes up and goes just maybe we don't need

00:51:06.180 to bring three-year-olds to watch drag queens stripping fishnets if that happens we're winning

00:51:12.660 man we're winning if we can just get to that sanity i think i think we're winning and even though the

00:51:17.540 violence will get worse people will see exactly what they have with charlie kirk i think 2026 is going to

00:51:22.500 be a referee i don't think the left understands how bad they showed their ass with this charlie kirk

00:51:27.540 assassination there were people that were lifelong democrats called me on that you know and on that

00:51:33.300 day and the days after that said i'm done i'm done because just as just human decency when we used

00:51:41.620 to walk through the cemetery somebody passed in the family you walk through the cemetery and you're a

00:51:46.100 little kid not really paying attention you step on a headstone your mom would grab you and pull you and

00:51:50.500 say watch where you're going you know don't step on that grave there was a respect for the dead uh

00:51:56.340 that the left just showed us they don't have and and that's going to pay huge dividends for us

00:52:00.740 i hope it's the start of a uh you know an avalanche of of maga it may very well be and if that avalanche

00:52:06.740 makes it to minnesota the united states senate will never be the same royce wright running for the

00:52:11.460 u.s senate in minnesota you have my total support and stay safe on the trail my friend godspeed brother

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - October 09, 2025

The Anchormen Show Ep 65- Hold the Line w⧸ Royce White

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