The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show Episode 45 - Kill the Boer w⧸ Ernst Roets

00:00:00.000 Now, it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Dan Ball.

00:00:16.820 Welcome back to the Anchorman Show. I'm Matt Gaetz, host of the Matt Gaetz Show,

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00:01:01.420 really to have a better understanding of what's going on here in our country with humanity and

00:01:05.160 the world. And one of the subjects that we've really been following closely on our daily program

00:01:10.520 is the plight of white farmers in South Africa. There has been a real tinge of genocide to the

00:01:18.320 governmental policies in South Africa. And with President Trump issuing executive orders,

00:01:24.540 punishing South Africa for some of their conduct, we really wanted the chance to do a deep dive into

00:01:29.680 why this is happening and what it possibly says about other racial strife that we see emerging in

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00:02:36.980 Stay sharp, stay strong, stay free. And I am joined this week, as always, by my good friend and

00:02:42.380 on-again, off-again employee. He was the founding producer of Steve Bannon's War Room. Now he's a

00:02:46.580 producer on the Matt Gaetz Show, worked on Capitol Hill in my office and in the office of George Santos,

00:02:51.960 Vish Burra. Thank you for being here. And one of our regular guests on the Matt Gaetz Show,

00:02:57.100 but someone we've really been following, Ernst Rotst. And Ernst is an advocate for the Afrikaner

00:03:03.380 community in South Africa. And he is recently out with a plan to create self-determination for folks

00:03:11.400 in South Africa to fight back against these genocidal impulses that we have been observing.

00:03:17.200 And so we're going to get into all of that, Ernst. I can't wait to really get to the core of this issue.

00:03:23.920 But Vish, first, when really the New York Young Republican Club started talking about the challenges

00:03:31.000 in South Africa well before this was the subject of Oval Office meetings or executive orders,

00:03:37.340 how did the club that you were in the leadership of come to this issue and think about it?

00:03:42.700 Well, honestly, we can really thank Ernst here for kind of helping initiate that. We have a very robust

00:03:49.000 international committee at the club that's led by Nathan Berger. He's the former vice president. He's

00:03:55.000 still part of the leadership there at the club. But we've always looked to create partnerships and

00:04:01.940 pipelines overseas. Because the whole idea is that, you know, people talk about the MAGA movement

00:04:08.300 being populist or isolationist or all these other words, isms that, you know, kind of implies that we

00:04:15.880 want to be alone in this world. And that's far from the truth. We want to, we want, went out there with

00:04:21.520 the kind of objective to create global connections with people of like mind who have similar sort of

00:04:31.460 nationalistic views and pride in their own nations. And one of those pipelines was constructed by that

00:04:40.500 international committee and Ernst. And the funny thing is, we did, I think, our first event with

00:04:47.200 Ernst back in 2022. And before the event happened, we were marketing it. And I had made my way down

00:04:55.140 to NatCon 2022 down in Miami. And at NatCon 2022, I was going through the crowd and I saw this handsome

00:05:03.740 gentleman there. And I recognized him from our promotional materials. And I was like, I'm pretty

00:05:08.580 sure we're having an event about South Africa with this guy in just a couple of weeks at the New York

00:05:13.800 Young Republican Club. So I went over, introduced myself to him and we hit it off as, as friends.

00:05:19.520 And we had the event, uh, just, uh, you know, two weeks after that. And honestly, the thing is that

00:05:25.880 this South Africa issue is really, there's a, a, a tangential line between where America is going

00:05:35.020 and what South Africa and the Afrikaners have already been through and, and the kind of reactions

00:05:41.960 and solutions that they've developed in response to the, this kind of racialized politics and

00:05:49.880 balkanized politics that we're going through right now in America. And so that's, we just,

00:05:54.620 we wanted to be able to bring up those pipelines, create that, um, that conversation and dialogue,

00:05:59.860 and also provide ideas on how they can fight back in their home country while they provide us ideas on

00:06:06.480 how we can fight back here.

00:06:07.540 At the good that the New York Young Republican Club is doing for the movement, because of your

00:06:11.380 great connections through the club, you've been able to connect our entire audience to Ernst and

00:06:15.540 his message. So Ernst, tell us a little bit about yourself and how you came to a conference in Miami

00:06:20.940 with Visborough.

00:06:23.060 Um, thank you. So, uh, yes, well, I'm an Afrikaner and I grew up in South Africa. I live in South Africa.

00:06:29.040 I live in Pretoria. Uh, I grew up up in the North in South Africa, not far from the Zimbabwean border.

00:06:34.320 Um, and so I grew up with that reality with the farm invasions and all of that, and the crashing of the

00:06:40.160 Zimbabwean economy, uh, just not far from, from we lived. And, and also the reality of the farm murders.

00:06:47.080 Uh, I lived in an agricultural community. So, you know, living in an agricultural community in South Africa,

00:06:52.660 you know, people who are attacked and you knew people who have been murdered. And it's the same with me, uh,

00:06:56.880 friends who went to school with me, who've been murdered and, and it's really, it's really something.

00:07:01.800 Um, and so that sort of just naturally pushed me into doing what I'm doing today. Um, and it's

00:07:07.880 through that, and I've been involved with a variety of organizations, including back then I was with

00:07:12.140 AfriForum, which is a civil rights group in South Africa that does fantastic work. And, um, uh, we

00:07:18.220 started, you know, reaching out to other communities and reaching out to the rest of the world.

00:07:21.800 I met the, the guys of the club at, uh, uh, CPAC in Hungary. I remember the first guy from the

00:07:29.040 club I met was Nathan. In fact, you just mentioned, um, and then Gavin, and we had a great conversation

00:07:34.140 leading up to an invitation to speak at, at the club. And, um, I think that was, like you said,

00:07:39.400 it was the Miami conference was just before, shortly before the event. So I figured let's go a bit

00:07:43.360 earlier. Well, sure. I'm sure it was a compelling message you had to share, especially when you're

00:07:46.760 talking about growing up and losing friends to, you described them as murders. Uh, how old were

00:07:53.820 you when your first friend, when you first had to encounter that dynamic of a friend or someone you

00:07:58.640 knew about being killed? And, and what was that like? Well, the first, uh, that I remember was in,

00:08:04.780 I believe it was in 1994 when the ANC took power was, um, and we had recently moved to this

00:08:11.260 agricultural community and someone we knew who was quite close to us. Um, someone who was working

00:08:16.880 with my mother, his, uh, wife was kidnapped, uh, and raped. And it, I mean, I was, I don't know,

00:08:24.220 10 years old, uh, nine or 10 years old at the time. And I didn't really know what this means.

00:08:28.980 Um, and that was my first real experience with this. And then, um, the people who live next to us

00:08:35.920 or across the street from us in, in this town where we grew up, uh, I lived in a town for some time

00:08:40.880 and some time on the farm, uh, uh, was family of a very victims of a very well-known murder in

00:08:47.940 South Africa in 1985. It was two families who were killed in it by a landmine that was planted by,

00:08:55.020 by the ANC, uh, back before. Who's that that planted the landmine? Uh, the ANC is the party that's

00:09:00.560 running South Africa today, the ruling party in South Africa. They took responsibility for it. And

00:09:04.760 that's because they have, they had a formal position adopted in 1985 that they regard farmers and

00:09:10.360 especially white farmers as legitimate target, not as soft targets. And so including, and they

00:09:15.740 deliberately said so, including their wives and their children. And so they started targeting

00:09:20.000 farmers. And one of the ways in which they did that back then, they don't do it today anymore,

00:09:24.700 was through landmines. And so, uh, this was a very well-known case of a, the farmer actually survived,

00:09:30.520 um, but his children were killed and his wife was killed in this landmine accident. And we grew up

00:09:37.200 next to them, um, and sort of learning about this from their perspective. And then the other stories

00:09:42.800 is just people, um, who sort of in the community in which we lived, who've been attacked on farms.

00:09:48.140 And, and one case that was particularly vivid was one Sunday we were in church and someone came,

00:09:55.640 came running in and there's an elderly couple in, in our church. And if memory, I was young,

00:10:00.780 if memory recalls, I think the lady stayed at home and the husband, uh, came to church and then they

00:10:06.600 murdered her, uh, what on the Sunday during the, the, the congregation or the ceremony, they had a,

00:10:12.860 uh, they tied her up next to a tree and I believe she was beaten with a hammer and eventually her

00:10:17.420 throat was slit. And, um, and then for some time we lived on a farm and it's really something growing

00:10:22.740 up with this sort of knowledge as a child. And I remember sleeping on the farm, you know, next to the

00:10:28.540 window and a twig or something would fall from the tree. And your first instinct is someone came

00:10:33.400 to murder me or the power would go off. And your first instinct is not that there's some strange

00:10:39.440 reason. Maybe some cable got wet or something. Your first instinct is they're here. They're going

00:10:43.780 to come and kill us. So, so you sort of growing up with that sort of really shapes you in a particular

00:10:48.700 way. Violence is always something that would shape anyone, however they encounter it. But it would seem

00:10:56.360 to be different if you were growing up believing that that violence was somehow inspired by shaped

00:11:02.620 by your own government. I mean, even when people grow up in, in deeply violent places, uh, if they

00:11:09.160 think that the cops will come, there's hope. Yes. Uh, what, how should Americans think about

00:11:17.280 kind of where the violence starts and where the government begins in South Africa in a lot of

00:11:22.120 these instances? So, so, um, my book Kill the Boer that was published a few years ago is it's called

00:11:27.300 Kill the Boer and the subheading is government complexity in South Africa's brutal farm murders.

00:11:32.420 And we debated whether that's the appropriate term, the term, the word complexity. And I felt strongly

00:11:38.000 that it is because firstly, there are some reported cases of government officials involved, like members

00:11:44.260 of the police in directly involved in the killing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now maybe that could be

00:11:48.840 isolated cases. In most of the cases, we don't have that detail, but there are such examples.

00:11:53.900 But what is more concerning is the political climate that has been created in South Africa,

00:12:00.020 where if you go out and you kill a farmer, it's not a bad thing, or it's not as condemnable when the

00:12:05.240 victim is someone else. And this continued chanting of Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer, while the farmers 0.85

00:12:10.580 are being killed, and then the politicians, including the president, would either deny that the farm

00:12:14.720 murders are happening, or they would try to justify it in some way by saying that, well, the problem is

00:12:20.120 actually the farmers. And if they just behaved better, then maybe we wouldn't kill them. 0.92

00:12:24.720 Well, wait, that's exactly what happened during this Oval Office discussion where President Trump

00:12:30.100 really gave a lot of voice to the concerns you've been expressing. The very thing you said happened.

00:12:36.280 There was a there was a denial. There was, oh, well, this isn't the policy of the government.

00:12:40.100 These things aren't happening. Let's take a listen. We have hundreds of people, thousands of people

00:12:44.620 trying to come into our country because they feel they're going to be killed and their land is going

00:12:48.840 to be confiscated. And then when they take the land, they kill the white farmer. And when they 0.97

00:12:54.040 kill the white farmer, nothing happens to them. The farmers are not black. And the people that are 1.00

00:12:59.100 being killed in large numbers. And you saw all those grave sites. And those are people that loved ones

00:13:06.060 going, I guess, on a Sunday morning, they told me to pay respect to their loved ones that were killed.

00:13:11.580 Their heads chopped off. They died violently.

00:13:18.960 Is the president on point?

00:13:21.300 The president of which president?

00:13:23.540 Our president. The president.

00:13:24.700 No, he was definitely on point. And I can say that even though there was this very fierce reaction

00:13:31.200 against President Trump, because there are a lot of people, especially in America, but also in South

00:13:37.460 Africa, who like to believe if President Trump says, A, then B has to be the truth. So there were- 0.84

00:13:44.200 We see that condition arise sometimes here as well. But what I'm seeing described, it would almost

00:13:51.820 inspire within the farmers that exist in South Africa a hatred, a racism, a worldview that would

00:14:04.720 not be compatible with continuing to be under the same government and in the same country together,

00:14:10.420 right? I mean, is it like, are we going to, are we seeing a situation arise where what people have

00:14:17.320 faced have caused, like, the farmers to be inherently racist when they see anyone approaching?

00:14:23.400 Like you say, you're waiting for the twig to fall in the middle of the night. What do you think?

00:14:27.640 Well, I, you know, I want to point that out. It's because in that first event that, that Ernst did with,

00:14:34.200 with the New York Young Republicans, one part that really stood out to me was that, yeah, you know,

00:14:40.660 Afrikaners can be mad or, or, or even be filled with rage about what's going on with these people. 1.00

00:14:46.340 But another reaction that they had was that they relied on their innovation and ingenuity to

00:14:51.440 respond to it. Right. And we talk about today that there's this kind of parallel economy kind

00:14:56.800 of developing where things are like, people are saying, you can't, we're going to cancel you off

00:15:01.460 this platform, cancel you off this. If you want to go build your own Facebook, go build it. But then

00:15:06.740 we blow you off the Amazon servers. Right. But the South Africans actually had an incredible response

00:15:13.200 to this. And Ernst, maybe you can talk about that, about the systems that you had to build

00:15:17.100 in response to that, the normalization of racial violence and hatred amongst, uh, against the,

00:15:23.040 the farmers of South Africa. So, so from an Afrikaner perspective, when the political transition

00:15:28.980 happened in South Africa, the, the government used to be very much pro Afrikaner and then overnight

00:15:35.480 it shifted and then it became, um, very openly antagonistic. Why, why the change? Well,

00:15:41.140 it was the political transition when, when the ANC took power in 1994, when, when Nelson Mandela

00:15:46.520 became the president and it was sort of mellow initially with all the talk of reconciliation

00:15:50.900 and a rainbow nation. And then the ANC started showing its true colors, which has been there

00:15:56.240 since before the transition. I mentioned the killing of the farmers, uh, the landmines and

00:16:00.520 so forth. Um, and then it's, it's really, it really shakes you up into your foundations when

00:16:06.880 the Afrikaners, I think to our detriment became very dependent on the state during the 1980s and

00:16:13.100 so forth. And then suddenly the state became our single biggest existential threat. And so we,

00:16:19.500 and then we quickly discovered that we cannot rely on the state if, I mean, I was in an, in an armed

00:16:23.960 robbery a few years ago in South Africa where someone was killed, um, in front of my family actually.

00:16:29.160 And, and I actually, while we were sort of hiding from the robbers, I tried calling the police and

00:16:35.240 they didn't even answer their phone. Then I called private security and I called what we call community

00:16:39.980 security. It's like neighborhood watches and they responded immediately and they were there within

00:16:43.900 five minutes. So, so you can't, you can't depend on the government. And so you can't, you also can't

00:16:48.760 outvote them because South Africa is very big. Uh, it's, it's like trying to, it's, it's the equivalent

00:16:54.360 of a small state in the U S Louisiana or something trying to, uh, uh, to outvote the national, you

00:17:02.700 know, ballot. No, yeah. We understand the notion that, uh, there are times when you are not going to

00:17:08.340 be beyond the political power of an ethnic minority in the country. Yeah. And so the only way, so, so 1.00

00:17:16.820 firstly, we should talk, I mean, you mentioned this, the political system needs to change, but other than

00:17:21.340 that within the existing circumstances at the moment, the only way forward is for us to sort

00:17:26.800 of rediscover an ancient truth, which is that a nation saves itself. Don't wait for the government

00:17:32.020 to fix your problems, fix them yourself. And so if it's dangerous in your area and the police aren't

00:17:37.100 there, you should keep calling them and you should keep applying pressure. But at the end of the day,

00:17:41.460 just do something about it yourself. Get, get armed, uh, know, learn how to use a firearm, get radios,

00:17:46.720 start driving patrols in your areas. And then we also started establishing a variety of institutions

00:17:52.380 in South Africa to look after our community. And so the Afrikaners have been accused of developing 0.99

00:17:57.360 a parallel state, um, through sort of private initiatives, just, uh, you know, developing our

00:18:03.160 own schools, private schools and so forth. And it goes for basically every sphere, basically

00:18:07.540 everything that the government is supposed to be doing. We have just de facto taken over just

00:18:12.540 through doing it ourselves, establishing our own network, our own private security,

00:18:17.200 our own education systems, our own cultural institutions, uh, and so forth. You can go down

00:18:22.240 the list. And what have been the societal and cultural ramifications of establishing those

00:18:27.960 assets? Well, it's, it's interesting. If you look at some of the great atrocities of the last

00:18:33.100 century, there's, there are some recurring themes or threads, which is that it's usually, or in most

00:18:39.700 of these cases, almost all of these cases, in fact, a minority that has been, that are being

00:18:44.360 targeted, that is easily identifiable, and that is economically better off than the majority.

00:18:50.440 Uh, that was the case. Obviously we saw that in Germany, we saw that in Europe, we saw that in many

00:18:54.860 of these, um, atrocities and, you know, whether it's Yugoslavia, uh, the Tutsis in Rwanda. And that's

00:19:00.700 the problem that we have is in, as far as we are successful, we are being targeted because of that,

00:19:05.280 because the, the Marxist line is, if you are successful, that's because you stole something

00:19:09.440 from someone or you have exploited someone. And if you are poor, it's because someone stole

00:19:14.100 something from you. And now they blend that in South Africa with race nationalism. So then the

00:19:18.580 line is more or less that if you are, that being poor and being black is the same thing and being

00:19:23.880 rich and being white is the same thing. And there are no poor white people, which of course is a lie. 0.85

00:19:28.580 And there are no rich black people. And so also a lie, which is, yeah, which is also a lie, 0.96

00:19:33.720 especially the politically connected elites are incredibly wealthy. Um, and so, and so then we

00:19:39.260 would be targeted as a result of that. So in, as far as we are successful or we remain successful,

00:19:43.840 the argument is, oh, so that's privilege. And therefore we need to take more extreme measures

00:19:48.260 to destroy the privilege that you have. We have heard that argument made, uh, in this country a time

00:19:54.400 or two, the, uh, you know, the diagnosis of where things are now helped me understand. Is it getting

00:20:03.240 better? Is it getting worse? Are we in a stasis where things are the same? Is there really a

00:20:08.400 community left to be saved? Have so many Afrikaners left under this pressure that, that we're really, 0.99

00:20:14.660 you know, not, uh, able to constitute a society out of this?

00:20:19.400 So, so the situation in South Africa is definitely getting worse, uh, in terms of the friction,

00:20:25.360 the political climate, the economy, virtually every indicator, crime levels, everything, trust in the

00:20:31.100 government, all of those are getting worse. Um, what, what is getting better is I would say two

00:20:36.480 things. There might be more, but two things especially stand out. One is the resolve of

00:20:42.420 the Afrikaner people to find a future in South Africa. So, um, many have left the country.

00:20:47.320 How many are there?

00:20:48.700 2.7 million.

00:20:49.820 Okay.

00:20:50.460 Yeah. So, so many have left and, and many will continue to leave. We've seen

00:20:54.340 2.7 million still there. Does that count the diaspora?

00:20:56.620 No, that's without the diaspora. So it's could be closer to 5 million, uh, if you include the

00:21:01.620 diaspora. So, um, especially with this, this talk of, of refugee status and so forth, um,

00:21:09.160 that by the way has helped to put a lot of international focus on South Africa. So, so the

00:21:13.740 one.

00:21:13.940 But it's not what you want. I mean, I, I, we're going to get to the policy prescriptions,

00:21:17.720 but like, I don't want anyone watching this discussion to say, well, like the answer is we have

00:21:23.480 to allow these people to escape this circumstance. You have, you have a very different vision

00:21:27.880 than that, but, but the need for that escape is driven by the politics of an individual

00:21:31.800 named, uh, named Malema, Julia, Julius Malema. And I think we've got a clip of some of his

00:21:38.360 political activity. Well, let's go ahead and roll that.

00:21:41.360 Shoot to kill Hamaza. Kill the poor, the farmer. Kill the poor, the farmer. Brr, pa, pa, brr, pa, pa. 1.00

00:22:01.080 So who is that? And what is he doing?

00:22:04.880 So that is Julius Malema. He used to be the president of the youth league of the ANC, which

00:22:10.660 is the governing party in South Africa. He left the governing party because of internal

00:22:15.560 faction fighting, not because of policy differences. And then he started his own movement, which

00:22:20.520 is ironically called the economic freedom fighters, although they believe economic freedom

00:22:24.720 lies through race-based redistribution and not through production. And he's chanting a chant

00:22:32.040 that became very well known in South Africa called kill the poor, kill the farmer. The 0.99

00:22:36.140 word poor is more or less a synonym for Afrikaner. Uh, especially historically, we were known as

00:22:41.700 the boers like during the Anglo-Boer war. Um, and then of course kill the poor, kill the 1.00

00:22:46.220 farmer. In Afrikaans, the word poor literally translates to being to, to the word farmer. Um, and he's 0.99

00:22:52.600 chanting this at a political rally after making a speech and the speeches would always be along

00:22:57.780 the lines of, this is a direct quote from him. All white people are criminals and should 1.00

00:23:02.220 be treated as such. Um, and we need to slit the throat of whiteness. And he would say things 1.00

00:23:07.200 like, if you see a beautiful piece of land, go and take it, it's yours. And he would make

00:23:11.860 all these extremely, the other comment he made was, was, um, I'm not calling for the slaughter 0.95

00:23:16.520 of white people, at least for now. And then he explained later that he might one day do 0.71

00:23:20.700 that. And then after making these speeches, he would then burst into this chant, kill the 0.97

00:23:25.460 boer, kill the farmer, um, impersonate, you know, making the sounds of imitating the sounds 0.54

00:23:30.520 of a machine gun or a firearm, and then, you know, making these gestures. And, and what 0.99

00:23:34.900 is quite really concerning or alarming is that it's not a metaphor. So people in the media would

00:23:41.200 say, well, that's just a metaphor. It's just commemorating the struggle and commemorating

00:23:46.100 the revolution, but the farmers are literally being killed and they are literally being killed 1.00

00:23:50.800 while he's chanting, go out and kill them. And we've seen that slogan used during some 0.99

00:23:56.140 of these farm attacks in, in the worst case we know of, um, an elderly, two elderly women

00:24:01.580 who was a mother and a daughter were attacked on a farm and tortured. And the victims then

00:24:06.100 used their blood to write the words, kill the boer on the wall, uh, the, the farmhouse

00:24:11.800 wall. And there are other, it sounds like they knew the chant. Exactly. They, they know

00:24:16.180 the chant and there has been reported cases of murderers testifying that they were influenced

00:24:20.980 by this chant. And, and then people in the media, also the South African courts, the justice

00:24:26.780 system and the South African government, including the president would keep defending it, keep

00:24:31.740 saying that there's nothing wrong with, with make, with this chant.

00:24:35.500 Vish, what scares us the most that Malema is at least tangentially a part of the 0.97

00:24:41.800 political coalition of the majority government, or that he is able to inspire that type of

00:24:50.100 a crowd and this type of violent conduct.

00:24:52.360 Well, I mean, all aspects of that is just scary as hell. The fact that this guy has already

00:24:57.900 managed to be part of a governing coalition and the fact that he has all this leeway to

00:25:04.420 be able to say stuff like that. But also the thing is, is that especially in our world of

00:25:09.520 this globalized media and content, you know, being globalized, this guy is not just inspiring

00:25:15.900 people in South Africa, but all over the world to pursue this kind of race-based redistributivism

00:25:22.080 and race-based grievance on, you know, what people, you know, should believe that, that they

00:25:28.200 deserve it. You know, that, like you said, that it's become synonymous, that poor and black 1.00

00:25:32.920 mean the same thing and rich and white mean the same thing. We see that here everywhere,

00:25:36.880 right? We see that in America. We see that in Western European countries. We even see

00:25:42.660 that dynamic being applied to Israel as a white colonial project, right? And that's why 0.93

00:25:48.820 Palestinians are dealing with the problems that they're dealing with. So you see this

00:25:54.380 being solidified and distributed everywhere across earth. But, you know, the funny part

00:25:59.720 about that, and Ernst, maybe you can speak to this and clarify it for our audience, is that

00:26:05.260 the grievance is also a revision of history itself, right? In that the Boer is actually 1.00

00:26:13.580 in certain ways indigenous to South Africa, that they were there before the demographic

00:26:20.580 groups that Malema and a lot of these groups that make up the ANC, you know, and their presence

00:26:28.280 in South Africa, that the Boers came before them, right? Can you kind of break that down

00:26:33.140 for us? Yeah. So I think there are two clarifications. One, you're absolutely right to talk about Malema 1.00

00:26:38.560 being part of this coalition. I know some people would say that's not true, and I would like

00:26:43.280 to explain why it is true. The reason why people would say it's not true is because he's not

00:26:47.300 part of what we have in South Africa today as a government of national unity that includes

00:26:51.520 several of the opposition parties. He's not part of that. But he is part of what you might

00:26:55.940 call the political elite in South Africa because it's his party, him as an individual and his party

00:27:01.100 are in many ways the tail wagging the dog. They are ideologically aligned with the ruling party

00:27:06.260 and they are putting forth, they want to prove that they are the more radical party.

00:27:10.640 He sounds like the Steve Bannon of South Africa.

00:27:12.780 I'm sure Steve will love that clip.

00:27:18.040 Just in terms of like, you know...

00:27:20.160 Pushing the Overton window.

00:27:21.960 Yeah, that's exactly right. So his party and him as a person are the ones who've been pushing

00:27:26.580 this expropriation of private property and so forth. And then the government or the ruling party

00:27:31.580 would then follow suit and vote their policies into power. But so that's the thing about the history is,

00:27:38.420 I mean, I'm fascinated by American history also and the founding fathers. And if you read the

00:27:43.700 Federalist papers, John Jay writes in Federalist No. 2 about why America would be, could be united

00:27:50.240 because it shares a history, it shares a culture, it speaks the same language. And there are many

00:27:55.960 things on which Americans in the different states agree, which means that there could be a federation.

00:28:01.740 South Africa doesn't have that. It doesn't have a shared conception of history. It doesn't have a

00:28:05.840 shared culture, and it doesn't have a shared language, and it doesn't have a shared philosophy.

00:28:10.820 And so the Boers have been in South Africa. So my family, we've worked it out. The roots 1.00

00:28:18.720 sort of from whom I descend directly was about, it was just a little bit older than George Washington

00:28:25.060 when he came to, he moved to South Africa from Europe. So my personal family has been in South

00:28:32.160 Africa since before the Declaration of Independence. And as a people, we've been for more than a century

00:28:37.840 since before that. So we've been in that country for hundreds of years, almost 400 years. And we

00:28:43.220 became a unique people there. We're not Dutch, we're not Germans, we're not French. We even named

00:28:48.420 ourselves after the continent, we are the Afrikaners. We developed our own language, we have a unique

00:28:53.580 culture, we have a rich treasure chest of literature and philosophy and arts and everything. And all of that,

00:29:00.240 we developed there, which is why we want a solution in South Africa.

00:29:04.160 Say something in Afrikaner for us. 0.92

00:29:07.300 What do you want me to say?

00:29:10.140 Okay, all right. That sounded more European than African to me. I don't know. I don't know if I'd

00:29:17.000 sell the language as the leadoff hitter. But it is important to know the history. I doubt that you'll

00:29:22.720 be recognized by any indigenous peoples advocacy groups. Yeah. Answer this question. And I ask it

00:29:29.600 rhetorically. You obviously know I care. I've been covering it all in my program. But why should

00:29:33.080 anyone in America care about any of this?

00:29:35.140 So I think, firstly, the most important reason is just the basic fundamental principles of justice and

00:29:41.540 fairness. And it really is an...

00:29:43.280 Those are violated everywhere. We can't care about everywhere the principles of justice.

00:29:47.500 Yeah. So it is an injustice. But I think if the question is, what is sort of the American

00:29:52.660 interest perspective? I think, firstly, what Vish mentioned already is that America should know

00:29:58.700 that South Africa is not behind but ahead. And what's happening in South Africa today could very

00:30:05.160 well be the future of America if people in America don't learn from what's happening in South Africa.

00:30:10.880 There are also some practical reasons, more practical reasons, such as the fact that the

00:30:16.140 South African government is working very hard against American interest and Western interest

00:30:21.460 in the international arena through BRICS and so forth. Also, because the Afrikaners are a Western 0.95

00:30:26.440 community. We're a pro-American. We're a pro-Western nation that lives in South Africa that is being 0.81

00:30:31.340 persecuted for precisely that reason. And then also, I think there's also a strong American interest

00:30:36.440 angle in the fact that if South Africa collapses, it will certainly destabilize Africa. Because what's

00:30:41.980 happening at the moment, South Africa is a strong economy for now, and people are actually immigrating

00:30:46.780 south towards the south of Africa. And if that collapses, the immigration will go in the other 0.97

00:30:51.280 direction. And it will open the door for China and adversaries of the US to step in and strengthen its grip 0.72

00:30:57.200 on the African continent. But I would say, for me, the most important of that is we're a Western nation.

00:31:04.140 We're the last Western outpost on the African continent. And we're indigenous. We're not British

00:31:09.460 people living in South Africa. And we are friends of America. We're friends of Europe. We're friends

00:31:14.820 of the West. We are Westerners. And that's the reason why we are targeted. And what we also see

00:31:19.640 happening recently, for which the fact that I met the club at Budapest, in Budapest is an example of

00:31:25.660 this, that I'm very happy to see that in the Western world or the conservative movement, that people are

00:31:30.680 sort of finding each other and recognizing that even though we have unique problems and threats,

00:31:36.260 we are all Westerners. And we are being targeted because of that fact. And there's this pursuit

00:31:40.840 to destroy Western civilization. And we should support each other where that is under threat.

00:31:46.380 Well, I buy it. But I've heard a very similar argument expressed when I don't buy it, right? I mean,

00:31:52.680 that sounds a lot like something Vladimir Zelensky could have said. Like,

00:31:56.780 I am a Westerner. I am for Western civilization. You should care about me. We were here. Somebody

00:32:03.680 else started picking on us. Send your guns and your weapons. Are you buying the unique societal case

00:32:12.740 that Ernst made as unique to America's interests?

00:32:15.720 Yes. But that's what Ernst is saying is not what Zelensky is saying. He's not saying,

00:32:21.860 send me your weapons, send me your money, send me everything you got. In fact,

00:32:25.700 that they're going out of their way to build their own. They take it, though.

00:32:29.520 They take it. Of course, they take it, but they're not asking, right?

00:32:33.480 Ernst, would you take the HIMARS if we offered them? I'm guessing the answer is yes.

00:32:36.940 Well, we are actually a well-armed nation. What's the strongest weaponry you have?

00:32:41.720 Well, no, it's firearms. It's not. We don't have artillery and things like that.

00:32:46.600 Zelensky would never settle for that.

00:32:47.820 But the point being that actually the mentality that attracts me to the Afrikaner and their plight 0.99

00:32:56.100 is that they didn't wait for anyone to come save them, right? They're doing their best to take

00:33:02.500 matters into their own hands and address these problems head on, whether that's addressing them

00:33:08.080 directly or addressing them in a parallel way, creating their own systems, their own institutions.

00:33:13.020 That, I think, is very admirable, very Western, very American, quite frankly.

00:33:18.960 And so I think, obviously, there is this support where, you know, allowing refugees from South

00:33:26.820 Africa, white refugees from South Africa coming here, that allows to put some pressure on the 1.00

00:33:32.520 South African government, right? And those kinds of tactics are probably welcome. 0.71

00:33:37.020 Well, that was just a showcase.

00:33:38.200 That was just a showcase.

00:33:38.700 Right. But I think that that is more welcome than it's like, I don't think we're going to be

00:33:44.600 invading Pretoria anytime soon, you know?

00:33:47.840 Sounds like they've already been invaded, is kind of the problem.

00:33:51.340 Yeah, no, but you are asking for international recognition. And tell us what that looks like in

00:33:58.720 the most productive lens.

00:33:59.780 So, we have this philosophy, and it's sort of historically part of our culture, this slogan

00:34:04.880 that says, a nation saves itself. Or in Afrikaans, it would be, a folk rett omself. 0.93

00:34:10.340 Work in as much Afrikaner language from this point forward as you feel necessary.

00:34:14.860 And so, we don't want other countries to save us. We don't want America to, you know, take...

00:34:22.280 What do you want?

00:34:22.920 What we want is, the first thing is very easy. And it's recognition that our pursuit is a legitimate

00:34:29.460 pursuit.

00:34:30.920 That you aren't some radical, separatist, terrorist group that the South African government

00:34:36.300 is portraying you to be.

00:34:37.480 Exactly that. And also, I mean, we've been vilified for decades now. And that's why we are so grateful

00:34:43.640 for the remarks by President Trump. And work that, like you're doing, and what the club is doing,

00:34:48.340 the Young Republicans Club, is recognizing that there's something worth talking about.

00:34:52.680 Because for decades, we were, you know, we were the apartheid guys. And, you know, we're just sort

00:34:56.940 of two degrees away from Nazis. And so, we want recognition that what we are working for is

00:35:02.960 legitimate. And I also think, with the tariffs and the interest that the President has in South

00:35:08.200 Africa, I really think the United States could, through very little effort, contribute to a more

00:35:13.980 sustainable situation in South Africa.

00:35:16.420 Anytime someone says contribute to a more sustainable situation, our wallets get lighter. So, tell us,

00:35:21.960 be as granular as you feel is necessary. But tell us what the heck that means.

00:35:26.340 Okay. So, you mean what would more sustainable look like?

00:35:29.920 Well, that was just like, I didn't understand. That's like corporatist talk.

00:35:33.560 Okay. Let's make it very practical. So, in terms of the problem in South Africa that we need to get

00:35:38.200 to is we need to get a more decentralized political system. That's the goal that we want to achieve.

00:35:43.780 And the way we see that happening is it's a very big country. It's a very diverse country.

00:35:47.340 And the different nations that live there should be able to govern themselves.

00:35:51.160 So, regional autonomy is, in two words, what you see as the end use here.

00:35:58.480 It could be regional autonomy, yes. There are other forms of self-governance, whether it's a

00:36:02.540 federation, whether it's cultural autonomy like they have in countries like Estonia and Finland and

00:36:08.780 so forth.

00:36:09.060 And what do you think would be the South African government's strongest argument in response to

00:36:15.120 federalizing the system and decentralizing?

00:36:17.520 They would say, I think in terms of international law, they would frame it as they have territorial

00:36:22.460 autonomy over South Africa and they decide. They would then argue that South Africa is a democracy

00:36:27.760 and they are the people. The state represents the people and what they decide is what the people want.

00:36:33.720 Those would all be true arguments.

00:36:36.400 Well, except for what is not considered is South Africa is very far from homogenous.

00:36:40.940 It's something that's the equivalent of saying that what the European Union decides is what the

00:36:45.420 Hungarians want because South Africa is big and diverse and it's inhabitable. 0.94

00:36:49.760 Or it's like saying what the country wants in representing Donald Trump might not necessarily be what

00:36:57.480 some components of the Chaz want in Seattle. 0.92

00:37:01.560 Well, you know, that's interesting that you say regional autonomy is kind of what's the desired

00:37:06.440 end goal here. My understanding, South Africa being a very interesting country is, doesn't it have

00:37:12.160 three capitals that was meant to kind of give it this regional autonomous sort of structure to its

00:37:19.740 government? And if that's the case, how did it become centralized if in its original outlay,

00:37:25.680 it's literally got three capitals for three different regions?

00:37:28.200 Yeah. So the three capitals are the seats of the executive branch, which is Pretoria,

00:37:33.380 the legislative branch, which is Cape Town and the judicial branch, which is Plumfontein with the free

00:37:38.880 state. Theoretically, you could read the South African constitution as providing for a decentralized

00:37:44.180 system. But and that is one of the catches. And again, one of the important lessons for America and for

00:37:50.140 the rest of the world is that especially when you deal with a country that is as diverse as South Africa,

00:37:54.740 people have completely different outlooks on matters of constitutionalism and how to interpret

00:37:59.960 very basic phrases in the South African constitution. So when the constitution says

00:38:04.960 the government can expropriate your property when it's in public interest, someone has to interpret

00:38:10.320 that and say, when is it in public interest for the government to do that? And the classical Western

00:38:16.480 line would be something like, you know, there's a highway to be built and there's a house in the middle.

00:38:20.780 They're not going to do this with a highway or there's a war and they need to build a military

00:38:24.020 base or something like that. But the South African line, because it's a it's a race, 0.80

00:38:28.040 nationalist, socialist government, their line would be it's not in public interest for white people to 0.52

00:38:32.980 earn property or to earn as much property as they do. And so in the name of public interest,

00:38:37.780 that's how we interpret the constitution. Therefore, we're going to do that.

00:38:42.320 Wow. Well, is there a compensation when people's property is taken away?

00:38:46.220 So to date, there has been. And it's an interesting fact, there was a process of land

00:38:52.600 claims in South Africa as a result of peoples or communities who've had land dispossessed from

00:38:58.500 them in the past. And that has been settled, like almost all of those cases have been settled already.

00:39:03.100 But what happened then was the vast majority and I mean, like more than 90 percent of the people

00:39:07.840 who filed such claims actually said they don't really want the land, they want money. So they would

00:39:12.860 prefer financial compensation. And the reason why that's a big deal is because those in power

00:39:17.720 in South Africa, they don't like that outcome because they want 80 percent of land to be owned 0.91

00:39:22.560 by by black people. But then the black people who are filing the land claims actually say,

00:39:27.040 actually, I don't want the land, I want the money. And so this new process, that's why they signed 0.75

00:39:31.620 this new expropriation bill, which says that they want the power to be able to take people's

00:39:36.260 stuff without compensation. Again, when it's in the public interest and they determine when it's public

00:39:41.840 interest. That is remarkable that actually that actually the compensation is what they've got

00:39:49.200 to get rid of to make sure there's an actual transmitting of the of the real property interest.

00:39:55.480 Well, because I mean, it's farmland too, right? What do you grow on it? Like, tell us a little

00:40:00.000 bit about the land itself. Like what? How should Americans think about this? South Africa, again,

00:40:04.560 it's very big and also sort of from a climate perspective. So South Africa is big on wheat,

00:40:13.520 you know, corn is big on where I grew up as a more subtropical area where people farm with bananas

00:40:18.600 and avocados and it's and there's cattle. So there's farming in everything in South Africa

00:40:25.520 and it's all over the country.

00:40:26.600 I'm so excited when we get our Meriwether Farms shipments and you get a beautiful piece of ribeye.

00:40:32.680 Look, look at that marbling. Now I take it out of the package, let it get down to room temperature.

00:40:37.840 All I've got on here is a little salt, a little pepper, and then a little avocado oil.

00:40:42.080 And then I've had my pan preheating with a little oil.

00:40:44.820 Head to meriwetherfarms.com and enter promo code Matt G for 15% off your first order.

00:40:58.200 Well, that's what makes it so this situation, as you stated, because it's not just any land,

00:41:04.500 it's farmland, right? And if you have this land claims plot process in place and these people

00:41:10.060 come and say, yeah, I claimed that land, but I'm just claiming it so I could actually sell it off for

00:41:14.520 the cash that I get from it, right? And then who does that farmland go to at the end, right?

00:41:20.820 And it's not going back to the farmer. It's not going to the person who's making the clay.

00:41:26.440 Is it still productive? I wonder when they take the land, are they still growing weed and feeding people?

00:41:30.920 Actually, the South African government have said, according to their own statistics,

00:41:36.340 more than 90% of those farms fail. So that's their own program.

00:41:40.840 And then what happens is the commercial farms become subsistence farms.

00:41:45.060 And subsistence farms become squatter camps. And so even though, according to their own

00:41:49.340 statistics, more than 90% fail, the response-

00:41:52.780 Is that the goal, to turn productive, beautiful farms into squatter camps? 1.00

00:41:56.440 That's what it seems like. I think they don't care about that. But their response to that is,

00:42:01.200 actually, we should just try this policy a little bit harder. We should make it a bit more radical

00:42:05.360 and sort of double down on the policy that has resulted in this and be more aggressive.

00:42:10.000 And then we're going to reach the utopia someday. Just wait.

00:42:13.020 Well, you don't have to look that far to see where that went. I mean, Zimbabwe, or, you know,

00:42:18.000 as Rhodesia, as we say, we say Rhodesia, don't we?

00:42:22.000 Just like we say Judea.

00:42:24.020 That's right. So just look at Rhodesia. It was the breadbasket of Africa at its time.

00:42:31.920 And then as soon as Mugabe comes in and this revolution happens, it's now the hyperinflation

00:42:38.680 through the roof and the land is not productive. You don't even need to go that far to see where

00:42:43.580 that road takes you. And somehow these people that are running South Africa, they see it fit

00:42:48.920 to do it to themselves. So we've gone over the diagnosis of what's happening. I think Ernst has

00:42:53.840 laid out the trajectory. He has identified where you want to go, which is more of a federalist type

00:43:00.960 system, less centralized power. Maybe it's autonomous republics or semi-autonomous republics.

00:43:06.740 Let's spend some time now on the strategy to get there because you've pointed out you can't vote

00:43:11.360 your way to this outcome. So how are you going to get there?

00:43:15.360 So I need to re-emphasize that we need to get there ourselves. I'm not here in America to ask

00:43:21.900 America to make that happen or people in America.

00:43:23.920 We couldn't anyway. We couldn't beat goat herders in Afghanistan. So I wouldn't pick us, honestly. 1.00

00:43:30.340 So I think one of our biggest challenges currently is that as Afrikaners, we are spread out all over

00:43:37.120 the country. So we're sort of a minority everywhere, even though 2.7 million people are a lot of people.

00:43:41.800 But if you're spread out over a territory twice the size of Texas, it makes it quite difficult.

00:43:48.280 So we need to, and we are doing that, is sort of identify certain areas where we become a

00:43:53.380 majority, where we create some de facto realities just through self-governance. And so that is

00:44:01.880 something that we need to work on.

00:44:03.080 Yeah, I worked for the Somalis in Minnesota.

00:44:05.980 Basically.

00:44:06.740 Yeah, create your own ethnic blocks, essentially.

00:44:09.880 Yeah. I mean, well, then you get representation. You get to like kind of see some mayoral posts,

00:44:15.940 maybe. So you go full Minnesota Somali. Do you think there's an interest in Afrikaners to have 1.00

00:44:22.020 that type of concentration?

00:44:22.900 Yes. Yeah, it's partly happening more in the west of the country. So there's a lot of talk

00:44:30.100 recently about Western Cape independence, which is, you know, the area where Cape Town is

00:44:34.380 settled. It's sort of different than the rest of the country. And some surveys...

00:44:38.160 You guys are trying to not look like white people and you went to the beach? I mean, I don't 1.00

00:44:43.700 know. You picked the one place you were going to concentrate and it was the most beautiful

00:44:48.120 part of the country.

00:44:49.940 No, no. But then there's the Warania movement up north in the Northern Cape, which is sort

00:44:54.360 of a semi-desert area. It's 30% of the territory of the country, but it's 2% of the population

00:45:01.060 that live there. So it's sort of the west of the country is not nearly as inhabited as the

00:45:05.760 east. Sort of the more, the better climate is on the east. But there's this movement to

00:45:10.240 build sort of an autonomous community in the north, in the Northern Cape.

00:45:13.300 Yeah. Go like Arizona Mormon. 1.00

00:45:15.040 Yeah.

00:45:15.220 You know, they went out to Utah and Arizona because it was the last place the army wouldn't

00:45:19.040 chase them.

00:45:19.680 Yeah.

00:45:20.260 And then they concentrated power and now they basically run...

00:45:23.580 It's comparable to Utah.

00:45:24.220 Yeah.

00:45:24.540 Yeah.

00:45:25.160 Okay. So there's the, yeah, there's the Utah strategy.

00:45:27.720 Wow.

00:45:28.200 And, and what do you think the timeline is, Ernst, for trying to pull together people for

00:45:32.520 that kind of vision?

00:45:33.180 We need to do that quicker. But what I should stress that when we talk about something like

00:45:38.700 this, we cannot say that therefore it's acceptable for the government to be doing what it is doing

00:45:44.300 currently. So we need to sort of fight this on two levels. We need to fight these very destructive

00:45:48.700 policies that are applicable everywhere in the country. And I think America can, can do

00:45:53.020 a lot in helping with that. So for example, with the tariffs to say that there are certain

00:45:57.520 preconditions that should be, should be set to trade agreements with the South African

00:46:00.680 government, such as that property rights have to be protected, that the race laws should

00:46:05.140 be done away with.

00:46:05.820 Will that work? Like, will the elites that run the government ultimately choose the GDP

00:46:11.780 of South Africa over their racist impulses?

00:46:14.420 No, they wouldn't.

00:46:16.280 Lovely.

00:46:17.240 Yeah. But, but they are very desperate for money because it's sort of a house of cards

00:46:23.060 in South Africa at the moment with the social grant system. So if you add up the social grants

00:46:27.680 payouts with government salaries, with government debt, it's already more than 80% of government,

00:46:33.800 government expenditures. And that's just growing. So they can't, they can't fund this project

00:46:39.340 anymore. And so they're very desperate for money. And we saw that.

00:46:42.240 And they rely on U.S. trade to fill the coffees.

00:46:45.620 Especially U.S. trade.

00:46:46.600 So you think that's a real leverage point?

00:46:48.560 We're getting somewhere.

00:46:49.580 It is.

00:46:49.860 That's the real leverage point.

00:46:50.400 It is a real leverage point. Yes, yes.

00:46:51.720 Because Trump would totally do that.

00:46:54.000 Well, there are some other practical things that I think would be very symbolic, I think also

00:46:57.620 for America. South Africa is in a way DEI capital of the world. We call it BEE, what you 1.00

00:47:03.440 call DEI. BEE is Black Economic Empowerment, but it's not empowerment at all. It's just

00:47:09.840 socialist policies. And so one thing that the American government could do through this

00:47:14.820 process of ethically sourced goods, like, you know, not importing stuff that was built

00:47:20.140 through child labor and so forth, to say, but products that have been produced as a result

00:47:26.580 of this policy is not ethical. And so we're going to exempt companies that don't participate

00:47:31.800 in that process from tariffs. Something like that would have a massive impact in South

00:47:36.980 Africa. And I think it's a practical...

00:47:38.200 Well, it would certainly have a massive impact in any autonomous republic that then could

00:47:43.640 disclaim those activities.

00:47:45.660 Well, I mean, that's... You get into that territory, but I mean, what else can we do to help?

00:47:53.040 You know, I think that there is some point to that, like, oh, if this was made with DEI,

00:47:58.520 we're not importing it. Or if this wasn't made with DEI, it'll skip the tariff, right?

00:48:03.440 Something like that. I mean, aside from, like I said, invading Pretoria.

00:48:09.960 That is values-based trade, right?

00:48:11.960 Yes.

00:48:12.280 And there is a component of our trade paradigm that is getting to, like, more interest-based

00:48:17.060 and less values-based. But I think this, you can make a real argument that it's interest-based

00:48:23.260 trade policy as well, because of what you mentioned earlier about BRICS. I think that's a huge

00:48:29.400 component of all this. South Africa really moving toward Russia and China and an alternate

00:48:35.160 economic system. And if they're going to do that, I think there have to be some consequences.

00:48:40.920 I learned in politics early, if you treat your friends and enemies the same way, there's no

00:48:44.660 point in being your friend.

00:48:45.440 That's right. And President Trump already said he's coming after anybody who's talking

00:48:50.080 about BRICS, right? And so if that's the case, then this is kind of a prime example,

00:48:54.920 right? We don't want this, like you said, the last Western outpost in Africa to go down

00:49:02.020 because of all these bad actors now trying to destroy this beautiful community through racist

00:49:11.520 policy.

00:49:12.080 Other than the United States, what's the most important country to really understand this

00:49:17.940 and share a vision of more autonomized regional power in South Africa?

00:49:23.140 What do you mean? Do you mean other countries?

00:49:24.640 Like other countries outside, other global entity. Is it, you know, is it Russia? Is it China?

00:49:31.940 For South Africa?

00:49:32.980 Yeah. Well, who would you want? Like in your corner, you would obviously take the United

00:49:38.980 States as your number one draft pick.

00:49:40.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:40.780 Who would be number two?

00:49:41.420 Well, it would be the West.

00:49:43.820 Yeah, but you got to pick a country.

00:49:44.740 I think for symbolic reasons, the Dutch. I think it's very sad. And obviously, this is 1.00

00:49:53.180 not applicable to everyone, but everyone in the Netherlands, but it's very sad how the

00:49:56.860 Dutch have sort of abandoned the Africana people and the Dutch government in particular.

00:50:00.720 But we have very good friends in the Netherlands. And the fact that we dissent predominantly from

00:50:07.060 the Dutch, I think, I think the Dutch, I would, I would go as far as say that they have a

00:50:11.720 responsibility, but even if they don't want, if that's a too strong word, I think, I think

00:50:16.220 it would be very appropriate for the Dutch to take a stance at, at what is happening.

00:50:19.620 But you're not satisfied or pleased with the trajectory of that right now?

00:50:23.900 No, I think it's going to happen because of the, the winds of change happening in Europe

00:50:28.700 in general.

00:50:29.700 Yeah.

00:50:30.000 With countries becoming increasingly conservative. I think we're going to get, there's a lot

00:50:34.660 of support from countries like Hungary, which we never expected. Um, and some from countries

00:50:39.340 like England and so forth, but, but I think, I think it would be important for, for us,

00:50:43.820 for the Dutch to take a firmer stance about what's happening in South Africa.

00:50:47.700 Well, Ernst, it has been a thoroughly enjoyable and informative discussion. Vish, do you feel,

00:50:53.220 did you know all of this already? Or have you, have you learned a little along the way too?

00:50:56.680 I just, I can't wait to visit South Africa because I've been learning so much about it and I want

00:51:01.360 to see this place for myself. I hear it's absolutely beautiful.

00:51:03.520 Well, when we, when we can stand in solidarity with the Afrikaners, we're, uh, we're not sure

00:51:09.740 if it'd be the safest place for you these days, especially after this podcast. But again,

00:51:14.020 very much appreciate it. We, we wish you well, if folks want to follow this movement,

00:51:17.740 get involved, where do they go?

00:51:19.560 Yeah. So, so they can look us up on social media. I represent a, a think tank and an advocacy

00:51:24.680 group that is working that you mentioned. We're working towards a better political system.

00:51:28.300 It's called Lex Libertas, which is Latin for law and freedom. Um, and our website is

00:51:33.160 so indigenously African to go with the Latin, by the way, just quite the chef's case. 0.60

00:51:37.980 I don't hate it. Yeah. Um, and our website is org.za. So it's Lex Libertas.org.za and people

00:51:45.560 can follow us there and support us also through the website.

00:51:48.300 Really a great treatise you have out now that lays out this plan, reclaiming freedom published

00:51:54.180 this month by Lex Libertas. And, uh, we enjoyed going through it and really understanding what the

00:51:59.740 path forward is. And we hope it's a productive one. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure to

00:52:03.160 be on the show. Thank you. We'll be back next week with another episode of Anchorman.

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - July 31, 2025

The Anchormen Show Episode 45 - Kill the Boer w⧸ Ernst Roets

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