The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show Episode 69 - Chaos is a Form of Control w⧸ Seamus Bruner

00:00:00.000 Now, it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Dan Ball.

00:00:21.820 Welcome back to Anchorman. This is Matt Gaetz. I'm host of the Matt Gaetz Show here on One

00:00:25.780 American News, and we like to go into tradecraft sometimes, the things that really impact the

00:00:31.400 shifting of politics and power and media. And today I've got on the show truly one of the best

00:00:38.680 investigative journalists, maybe opposition researchers that we have on the political

00:00:43.900 right. And you've probably not met an opposition researcher the way you would meet a political

00:00:49.080 candidate or even see their campaign managers or principal spokespeople in media. Opposition

00:00:55.880 researchers work day in, day out to find the dirt, to expose it, to put it before the public,

00:01:02.140 and then it gets operationalized in campaigns and all the other apparatus that we have.

00:01:07.040 So I know that there is no enterprise like the Schweitzer Bruner enterprise to do this work.

00:01:15.440 And that's why I brought here Seamus Bruner. He is no stranger to our audience on One

00:01:20.220 American News. But Seamus, maybe just to set the stage a little bit for my audience,

00:01:24.720 talk about like you and Peter and how you guys got to working together and how you decided that

00:01:31.300 what you wanted to do in life was expose the worst moments, worst deals, and worst relationships

00:01:38.700 of incredibly powerful people. Well, thank you, Matt, for that introduction. That was great.

00:01:45.440 I wanted to go into politics. I studied political science, international affairs, thought I wanted

00:01:50.800 to go, you know, grow up to be like Matt Gaetz. And then I met Peter Schweitzer and realized I don't

00:01:56.720 want anything to do with that. Everybody's going to come after you with daggers. So I decided to

00:02:02.480 become one of the people with a dagger and investigate the corruption. It's a whole lot more fun.

00:02:07.920 It's like shooting fish in a barrel. You just follow the money and you never know where it leads,

00:02:13.220 but it usually is to corruption. Yeah. Following the money is your expertise. It's what you and

00:02:19.060 Peter do better than anybody in the business. And there's so much in the news right now about what

00:02:24.440 the other side tried to do, converting opposition research into this counterintelligence investigation,

00:02:30.860 ultimately really a criminal investigation of President Trump and his family. And when the media

00:02:36.820 first start to grab a hold of this, when the media says, aha, we caught Donald Trump Jr. trying to get

00:02:43.440 dirt about Hillary Clinton on the Russians, chairman of the Trump campaign, Steve Bannon came out and

00:02:49.580 said, this is crazy. We didn't need to collude with the Russians to get opposition research on Hillary

00:02:54.840 Clinton. We had all of it. We needed in the book written by Peter Schweitzer and Seamus Bruner,

00:03:00.960 Clinton Cash. And so that really is where all of this starts. We're going to get into the

00:03:05.260 Biden stuff and then also the Antifa stuff that you're all over right now. But this began with you

00:03:12.460 and Peter writing the Clinton Cash book. It was a great book. It went through how they used the power

00:03:18.920 of government to monetize their own lifestyle. For those who haven't checked it out, for those who need

00:03:24.800 to, what's the principal lesson people are going to draw from it? And what are some of the searing

00:03:29.160 moments in Clinton Cash that really caused that book to be revered as one of the greatest pieces

00:03:35.500 of opposition research ever? Yeah, I mean, that's probably my favorite investigation we've ever

00:03:42.020 done. That's really where I cut my teeth following the money. Schweitzer gave me a, you know, foot tall

00:03:47.860 stack of Clinton Foundation 990s, literally printed out back then. We didn't have the tools we have now,

00:03:54.740 just Excel and PDFs. And I said, make sense of this. So I put all of the Clinton Foundation

00:04:00.840 990s into a spreadsheet, started sorting from high to low dollar amounts. And what do you know? I mean,

00:04:07.280 foreign governments, foreign businesses, it's like, what the heck? And then you did some,

00:04:11.040 we did some analysis, found that the numbers to the Clinton Foundation, the numbers in the speaking

00:04:16.940 fees skyrocketed really around 2008. I mean, usually when a president leaves office,

00:04:22.600 the numbers start to go down, they get a big surge on the speaking fees, and then

00:04:26.680 they kind of taper off. When Hillary Clinton announced that she was running against Obama in

00:04:31.500 2008, they skyrocketed. And then they only got bigger from there through the Secretary of State

00:04:37.420 tenure. Then we started saying, well, what are these people paying for? And I just did a site search on

00:04:42.640 state.gov. You know, Russia, you know, Bill Clinton's in Moscow, he's getting paid 500 grand for a 30

00:04:49.660 minute speech. What's going on at the State Department? They're negotiating new start

00:04:54.220 treaties, they're doing nuclear deals, they're doing all kinds of stuff, including selling our

00:04:59.480 uranium and approving that sale of Uranium One. I know you were all over that when you were in

00:05:04.480 Congress. It was really, really fun times. The key takeaway was, before that book came out,

00:05:09.680 Hillary Clinton was soaring high on like a 60 to 70% approval rating, even amongst Republicans.

00:05:16.100 You can't believe it, but it's true. I mean, back then, at least that's what the press would say.

00:05:21.100 From there, it tanked. And a lot of people said, oh, but her emails, but her emails. It really wasn't

00:05:25.260 about her emails. The reason that people started to doubt her, I mean, yeah, the email scandal was big,

00:05:30.380 but it was the fact that it was pay to play. They were selling foreign policy to the highest bidder

00:05:35.000 to America's enemies. And, you know, I don't think, you know, no one looked back. On the Russia part, 0.90

00:05:41.060 the whole Russiagate scandal became a scandal because James Comey, Andrew McCabe, they had,

00:05:48.000 there were five FBI field offices investigating Clinton Cash. They were starting to make its way

00:05:52.900 to the Washington field office, you know, the main, the hub and HQ. And Andrew McCabe specifically

00:05:59.200 worked with James Comey to shut those down. We now know that. And so at the same time, it was just like

00:06:05.300 a month later after they're shutting down the Uranium One investigations for Clinton,

00:06:09.380 they concocted this projection deception, thanks to the Clinton campaign and Fusion GPS.

00:06:15.860 It had the added benefit of giving, you know, getting FISA warrants and totally framing President

00:06:21.360 Trump, now President Trump. But back then it was, it was crazy, like that the FBI worked hand in glove

00:06:27.460 with the Clinton campaign to not just protect Hillary, but to project onto Donald Trump, her own 0.99

00:06:34.000 malfeasance. And the incestuous nature of that really was laid bare when you saw that Andrew

00:06:40.920 McCabe's wife was soliciting Hillary Clinton's endorsement in a state Senate campaign while the

00:06:48.360 Little Rock, Arkansas field office of the FBI gets your book, gets your research, and they open up this

00:06:55.480 investigation. When you published this, did you really think the FBI was going to almost pick up

00:07:00.400 your book like a manuscript to the bad dealings of the Clinton family?

00:07:06.280 I did not think that at all. I mean, it was shocking stuff. I mean, I was, you know, pretty

00:07:10.720 new to this stuff back then. I mean, we're talking 10 years ago. But no, I did not expect that at all.

00:07:16.780 I would say, by the way, a much lesser known book, not as famous, was a book I wrote with John

00:07:21.880 Solomon titled Fallout. And chapter five is titled Clinton Crash. It's a wonderful chapter. I read it

00:07:30.400 recently going down memory lane, because after all the WikiLeaks emails came out, the Podesta emails,

00:07:36.300 we found what the Clinton campaign was doing at this time. And so you had Huma Abedin and Robbie

00:07:42.180 Mook and all of the Clinton surrogates freaking out that there was this new book coming out. And they're

00:07:49.000 like, I think David Brock can get a copy of it. So it's pretty, pretty great behind the scenes look,

00:07:54.360 thanks to the John Podesta emails of what really went on. And it's kind of surreal. I mean, they really

00:08:00.080 freaked out about it. All of their internal campaign polling, according to WikiLeaks attachments,

00:08:05.640 showed that the Uranium One issue was her biggest liability in the campaign. The fact that the Secretary of

00:08:12.100 State would approve a deal to now, I mean, especially in going back and looking at it in light of the

00:08:18.520 Ukraine and Russia war going on, it's like this was, you know, borderline treason.

00:08:23.940 You describe something called the Clinton blur. And it is the intersection of policy, purported philanthropy,

00:08:34.260 and profit all whirling together. And what's so interesting about looking back at that chapter now,

00:08:40.980 is it's kind of the same thing as the Biden blur. And it's actually an archetype for a lot of powerful

00:08:47.060 people in Washington who are able to convert power into personal wealth. Take a moment and just

00:08:55.400 describe the Clinton blur. Yeah, and it's funny you bring up the Bidens because it's crazy times

00:09:03.040 getting, you know, with having the Hunter Biden emails, the John Podesta emails. I mean, you'd never

00:09:07.100 really think that you'd be able to get such a behind the scenes look. But we know these scandals

00:09:11.920 with 100% certainty because we have the smoking gun emails. One of those smoking gun Biden emails is

00:09:18.340 after this Clinton stuff is a scandal, they say, we really want to set this up like the Clinton

00:09:23.420 Global Initiative, the Biden post-presidency. So they looked to the Clintons in the Clinton blur

00:09:29.260 as a model to be emulated. The Clinton blur is simple. I mean, you got one person in power

00:09:35.020 and one person who is out of power and collecting all of the checks. Hunter Biden was that for Joe.

00:09:41.700 You know, Bill Clinton and his speaking fees was that for Hillary. It's way more scandalous in some

00:09:46.700 sense with the Clintons because they're spouses. So like every speech payment directly enriches the

00:09:51.780 bottom line of the Secretary of State. At least with Hunter Biden, it's his adult child. I mean,

00:09:56.860 by the way, John Podesta, his daughter was never, never saw any justice on this years and years ago.

00:10:02.540 She was holding shares in his name for a Russian backed company, Jewel Unlimited. We broke

00:10:08.060 that story. The Daily Caller did some good reporting on that as well. But John Podesta,

00:10:13.020 his children, of course, John Kerry with Chris Hines. When you have these adult children going

00:10:19.560 around and the brothers, of course, of Joe Biden, the blur is having one person collect the checks

00:10:24.640 while the person in power gives the, I mean, it's bribery by any other name.

00:10:28.860 How prominent do you think that is in Washington at the congressional and Senate level? Because I

00:10:35.360 mean, you're picking on Democrats, but I remember how bizarre it was that the former Republican

00:10:40.960 chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Senator Richard Burr, had like family members who were

00:10:45.520 paid lobbyists who you could just go and rent out for influence. Is this something that like more and

00:10:51.580 more in Washington are doing? Oh, completely. I mean, it's the entire business model of Washington.

00:10:58.320 You know, you've got Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao at various points. I mean, Mitch McConnell's

00:11:04.040 always been in power, but Elaine Chao hasn't been. She's been on various boards. You've got even, you know,

00:11:10.620 people I would consider pretty good, you know, politicians and people who are fighting the good

00:11:16.140 fight. Ron Paul's family had a lot of people, at least on the payroll. And so, you know, there's

00:11:21.660 things, it's a scale, it's a spectrum. I mean, having your, your wife and your, you know, family

00:11:26.500 on the campaign payroll, that's not necessarily corrupt. It is self-enrichment to a degree. But

00:11:32.600 when you, when you're selling policy, that's when it really crosses the line. So I would say

00:11:36.060 everybody in politics, their family, you know, have, has family members also in politics who benefit

00:11:41.060 from the proximity to, you know, the person who is in power. I just discovered, you know,

00:11:47.960 discovered a couple of months ago when I was looking at the EPA gold bars off the Titanic story,

00:11:53.380 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse was griping extra loudly about the attempt to bring back some of this money

00:12:00.040 that had been dumped into the pockets of Biden allies right at the 11th hour of the Biden

00:12:05.560 administration. His wife has got one of these NGOs that is collecting climate cash, working

00:12:10.940 for ocean conservancy. So you really can't swing a cat without hitting somebody whose family members

00:12:16.520 on the payroll, especially when it's taxpayer money. That's a big problem. If it's campaign money,

00:12:21.820 you know, that's less bad. I would, I guess I would say. Yeah. We had that with the Bernie Sanders

00:12:26.200 dynamic as well, where he and his wife were getting very rich off of some of the donations that people

00:12:32.920 were making 10, $15 at a time through kind of this veiled theory that his wife was placing the media

00:12:39.980 buys and thus like was entitled to a huge off the top percentage. Really some, some, some, some.

00:12:47.920 Go ahead. That was, that was so scandalous. I mean, you know, not like, like totally corrupt

00:12:52.240 scandalous, but if you're a Bernie supporter and you're thinking he's railing against the millionaires,

00:12:56.560 he's raking in millions of dollars, has five houses, and his wife is taking your campaign donations 0.72

00:13:01.360 in the form of ad buy cuts. Uh, you know, I think it was like upwards of 15%. So if the campaign

00:13:07.360 pulls in a hundred million or whatever, I mean, Bernie, Bernie, uh, pulled in a lot of money

00:13:11.320 and they do a, you know, tens of millions in, in media buys, that's a ton of money.

00:13:15.420 Bernie's vision on socialism wasn't to even evenly distribute all of the money that his wife was

00:13:20.740 raking off the top to everyone else in his campaign, in his country. They, they got to be pretty

00:13:25.160 capitalistic when it came to their own bank accounts. Um, you know, you, uh, you set this in motion

00:13:30.940 and you're right that when we look back at the emails now, it would be a mistake to be so reductive

00:13:37.840 as to say, well, that was about destroying evidence. Like the real thing was the actual

00:13:43.040 evidence and what it showcased and the culpability that it demonstrated. Do you think that that,

00:13:50.400 that, that revelation that you helped uncover is really what led the Clinton campaign. And then

00:13:56.140 ultimately the Obama government to say, we've got to blame Russia for all this. We have to come up

00:14:01.420 with a bigger scandal than selling the state department. And so out of whole cloth, they

00:14:07.820 manufacture the Russia hoax. I think, I think it has a huge part, if not total. I mean, for one,

00:14:13.300 it has to be a foreign power because then you get the powers of the intelligence community. You get,

00:14:17.520 you get the FISA warrants. There has to be some specter of foreign influence and he's working with spies.

00:14:22.880 It could have been China, unlikely to be Iran, but of course they say, oh, his ties were made in China

00:14:28.100 or, uh, Ivanka Trump has some deals in China with her clothing line. So, um, they could have done

00:14:33.780 China, but they chose Russia and it had, it was far too convenient for the Clinton campaign and all of

00:14:39.820 the deals of the Obama administration. It wasn't just Hillary Clinton and selling. I mean, Hillary was 0.84

00:14:45.240 one of nine votes on that, uh, CFIUS committee that approved the Uranium One deal. Every single one of

00:14:51.320 the other votes had its own various reasons of, of saying, yes, any one of them could have said no.

00:14:56.420 And they ultimately take their lead from Barack Obama himself. There was a deal he was trying to

00:15:02.020 get done. He was trying to get done the Russia reset. Uh, it was actually part of the Iran nuclear

00:15:06.460 deal of all things, but they did a bunch of other Russia stuff too. They released, uh, the spies,

00:15:12.180 you know, the illegals program, Anna Chapman, the, the show, uh, the, the Americans is based off of

00:15:17.700 those, those spies who had embedded themselves at the highest level in the United States.

00:15:22.120 They just gave them back to Russia for basically nothing. Uh, we didn't get anything back. We got

00:15:26.620 a couple of British, uh, spies back, but not even Americans. Uh, they canceled the missile defense

00:15:31.840 in Poland, uh, all of the deals. They basically, the Skolkovo deal, which most people don't know

00:15:36.900 about, but they, we helped, we America helped Russia build a form of Silicon Valley outside of

00:15:43.300 Moscow that turned out to be helping build its hypersonic missile capabilities, as well as its

00:15:48.760 hacking capabilities, which is obviously ironic that they would blame Russian hackers after the

00:15:53.840 state department partnered with Russia to, to advance their tech capabilities. Um, so the entire

00:15:59.800 Biden, Obama administration had Russia liabilities by projecting them onto Trump. It becomes kind of a,

00:16:06.140 he said, she said scenario. Um, so at a minimum, it had that added benefit, if not the whole thing.

00:16:12.360 So, so much of us foreign policy during our lives has been directed to stop the Sino-Russian 1.00

00:16:20.220 fusion. Like it's not a good idea for the largest seller of energy to be aligned with the largest

00:16:26.100 consumer of energy against American interests. And so we've kind of played them off of, uh, of each

00:16:31.980 other, but they also play us. And I'm wondering if you think all of the connections that Hillary and,

00:16:40.040 uh, the Bidens and Obama himself had to China may have informed how they were thinking about Russia.

00:16:49.580 Yeah. I mean, the, the China connections are perhaps more insidious than the Russia ones, 0.60

00:16:53.560 because there's actually, I think the, the, you know, the security establishment actually does

00:16:57.600 hate Russia wants this Russia, uh, Ukraine war to keep going. Um, but the China connections are even 0.87

00:17:03.880 deeper. So, uh, you know, I think, I think you're right on that. I am most troubled by those China 1.00

00:17:09.900 connections that were funding the, all the people that ended up in the Biden administration at the

00:17:14.580 Biden center of UPenn. UPenn just stops complying with the law when it comes to disclosure of a

00:17:20.880 bunch of their foreign gifts. And meanwhile, you've got Blinken, a bunch of the people that end up at the

00:17:25.440 NSA using an academic institution to take in money that they otherwise wouldn't be able to take in.

00:17:32.780 So then it has them, you know, quite beholden to China. And I would suggest as we look at this war 0.68

00:17:38.260 with Russia and Ukraine, that was allowed to happen because of, of Joe Biden's various follies,

00:17:43.940 that is inward greatly to the benefit of China. Like China is buying out Russian assets in Cuba.

00:17:49.120 China is buying out features of, of Eastern Russia. They've got to just be laughing at us

00:17:54.940 as our politicians have become compromised in the ways that you've described.

00:18:00.600 Yeah, completely. I mean, the whole entire Biden administration was filled with people who had

00:18:04.520 previously, uh, been on China's payroll. Uh, you know, Tony, Tony Blinken, as you mentioned,

00:18:09.780 I mean, you had West exec with all kinds of China connections. I don't think anybody's Chinese

00:18:14.600 connections were worse than the Biden families. I mean, the, the deals that they made,

00:18:18.740 a billion dollar private equity deal backed by the bank of China, uh, that, that Hunter and Frank

00:18:24.860 Biden, I mean, they were getting credit card, a hundred thousand dollar preloaded credit cards

00:18:29.200 for shopping sprees that, uh, the, the whole Biden family was basically on the payroll of China

00:18:34.540 and Hunter Biden admits on, on, on audio on his laptop. I don't know why he would record himself,

00:18:40.200 but he says, I'm in business with the, uh, effing spy chief of China. Uh, you know, I mean,

00:18:47.060 there's so many smoking guns on the Hunter Biden laptop, which is why the entire, and it's really

00:18:52.100 actually unsettling that the intelligence community, I mean, back to what you started

00:18:56.140 with here, that the intelligence community would all circle the wagons, say it's all fake news.

00:19:01.260 It's like, who are they working for? You have 51 former spy chiefs and spy officials saying that

00:19:07.100 it's all fake news when it's actually prima facie evidence that the Biden family was corrupt.

00:19:12.160 Where were the FISA, uh, FISA warrants on Hunter Biden and his business partners? Why would they

00:19:18.020 try to, uh, get him out of the race the way they did, uh, uh, Donald Trump with Russia? I mean,

00:19:23.020 they, they should have gone to Joe early on when there were still a primary and said, look,

00:19:27.580 we know what you guys have been up to. This isn't good. It, it pretty much, uh, indicts the entire,

00:19:32.320 uh, you know, surveillance state. I think I know why they didn't do that though.

00:19:36.600 They were very comfortable with Biden. Remember Biden was a guy who was a long time Senate foreign

00:19:42.240 relations guy. He had, he had this, uh, romanticized view of NATO in his mind. I'm

00:19:49.240 sure it was reliving world war two, uh, like, you know, normative geopolitical discourse over and

00:19:55.140 over again. And so they thought they could control him. So even if they knew that stuff,

00:19:59.020 which they obviously did, you wrote a book about it. Uh, they didn't want to replace him

00:20:05.220 with someone who might demonstrate any type of independent thought. And fortunately for them,

00:20:12.380 I guess in their own minds, Kamala Harris is not capable of independent thought. And so she was a 0.94

00:20:17.600 suitable replacement, uh, when it, when it came time for them, just not a suitable replacement

00:20:21.580 among the voters. Having written these books about the, the Clinton corruption and the Biden

00:20:29.560 corruption, we see the similarities in the blur. Where are they different? Maybe this, maybe just

00:20:34.820 the stupidity of Hunter, you know, the Clintons were a little tidier than the Bidens, but where 0.99

00:20:39.780 would you say, no, no, no, there's a, there's a unique feature of how the Clintons did it or the 1.00

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00:21:17.860 Yeah. Well, I think you're exactly right on that point. They wanted someone they could control,

00:21:21.420 uh, the intelligence community that is. And so that, that, that's alarming. I mean,

00:21:25.260 that they would risk, uh, strengthening China, compromising the white house to China just so

00:21:30.940 that they could control the president. That's, that's a really, uh, scary stuff. Uh, where do

00:21:35.720 they, where do they differ? I mean, the, the Clintons are just far more, uh, shrewd, ruthless.

00:21:40.880 They have way better bookkeeping skills. It actually has the, uh, the aura and patina of a legitimate

00:21:47.780 enterprise. I mean, I see what you did there. I said, that was very, very creative use of love. We're

00:21:52.300 going to make the viewers Google that. That was a nice little nugget. You left them.

00:21:57.040 Whereas the Bidens were, I mean, they were just sloppy. Um, I, you know, they got away with it,

00:22:01.800 I guess, for the reason you just mentioned that, uh, he's a, he's a perfect puppet to,

00:22:05.680 to control by, you know, various powers in the deep state. Um, but yeah, just the sloppiness of the

00:22:12.280 Bidens at the same time, the scale, I mean, I don't, I never saw a billion dollar, uh, private

00:22:18.580 equity deal backed by the bank of China with the Clintons. I mean, you've got the $500,000

00:22:23.040 speech, uh, from the Russian, the Kremlin bank to bill. You've got the Canadian investors. That

00:22:29.220 was a hundred million for the Uranium one deal. But I mean, that, the, the scale of that, that

00:22:34.200 Chinese deal. And I think that there's still money hidden away. I know a lot of people believe that

00:22:38.720 the Bohai harvest thing, um, that stake that Hunter had. And they say, they've always said,

00:22:43.760 no, no, no, we sold the stake. Um, there's really no way of us proving that a law enforcement would

00:22:48.720 have to do that. Um, but we, you know, we've got reason to believe that it was transferred maybe to

00:22:53.020 the brother, uh, sugar bro, uh, Kevin Morris, um, and who may be holding it until all of the smoke

00:22:59.720 clears. I think, you know, maybe, maybe it's back in their hands. We couldn't know because there's no

00:23:03.460 more financial disclosures. So the Bidens seem to have gotten away with it just like the Clintons

00:23:08.840 did. I will say, um, that they will both go down as among the most corrupt, if not the most corrupt

00:23:15.960 first families in American history. And that is a form of justice. Do you know who stole more?

00:23:23.640 Who stole more from, uh, the American taxpayers? Well, you just like, when I say steal more,

00:23:29.080 I mean like grift more. I mean like, who do you think came out of this having sucked more actual 0.85

00:23:35.360 dollars out of the system? The Clintons or the Bidens? Let's see. The Bidens, uh, I think the

00:23:41.040 Clintons probably. Wow. The Clintons, uh, you know, they had their two, the Clinton Foundation

00:23:46.000 got two and a half billion dollars. Um, if not more, uh, the, so, so that's, you know, that that's

00:23:53.220 not the same as like a billion dollar private equity deal backed by the bank of China. In some ways

00:23:57.100 that's worse. Uh, a lot of those donations would be people just trying to curry, uh, curry favor,

00:24:02.340 cozy up that didn't actually get donations, which is why I say they're shrewd is because

00:24:07.660 they were able to take a ton of money and not actually have to sell anything for it. Just

00:24:12.400 the appearance of access, uh, you know, the, this Clinton global initiative, this annual

00:24:17.840 event, you know, selling tape, you know, memberships for 10 grand to pop plenty of people paid that

00:24:23.520 just for the privilege of maybe, uh, getting a photograph with bill and no policy sold. Um,

00:24:29.500 but I think in the end, the Biden seemed to have squandered it. Uh, you know, the Hunter is,

00:24:34.240 uh, you know, living, they don't have the same kind of, uh, lifestyle, I guess I would say. I

00:24:39.280 mean, Clintons fly around on private jets, uh, Bidens ride the Amtrak. Well, and maybe that's,

00:24:45.520 that's what the Bidens wanted. I do wonder about the allegation you made regarding the, uh, potential

00:24:51.600 for funds to be out there that we don't know about. Do you think that might've been one of the

00:24:56.700 motivations for Hunter pursuing this wide swath of pardons, not to shield themselves from any

00:25:03.520 prosecution, but just to make sure they got to keep the loot? Yeah. I mean, definitely. If, if,

00:25:09.680 if, if there is, I mean, the brothers barely got investigated, there's a sister, there's a

00:25:14.340 daughter. Um, so, so there's potentially a large, the, the Bidens were a very tight, very,

00:25:21.720 you know, very insular family. They would look out for each other. So by pardoning Hunter,

00:25:26.800 the brothers, I mean, Joe was effectively pardoning himself, but pardoning the entire family

00:25:31.380 from being, you know, totally having a microscope into all of their finances, which

00:25:36.080 the pardons came right as, uh, you know, house oversight chairman, James Comer and Senator Ron

00:25:41.920 Johnson. I mean, they were putting out stuff with the checks and the, the, the, the forgivable loans

00:25:46.940 that, uh, apparently Joe's brother was writing to Joe. I mean, the amount of money moving around

00:25:52.240 and there, and we know that there was, I think I've counted 16 or 17 different LLCs and numbered

00:25:58.020 accounts in Biden names. The Clintons didn't have that kind of thing going on. So they, the Clintons

00:26:03.220 were cleaner and by pardoning the whole family, we may not ever get to see where all that money went.

00:26:09.780 But we do see a lot of this, you know, emerge in the investigations that are going on now. And that's

00:26:16.180 where I want to bring the discussion. I believe there is a major conspiracy charge coming that

00:26:23.640 could include Obama, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe, even some of the people who were involved

00:26:31.280 in the Mar-a-Lago raid because they were taking back from Trump, his evidence that, you know,

00:26:37.540 exculpated him and implicated other people in wrongdoing around the Russia hoax. Obama famously

00:26:43.920 has this meeting on December 9th, where he draws these folks together. What do you want to see in,

00:26:48.820 in, uh, the application of criminal law to that enterprise?

00:26:55.280 Well, a lot of people, I mean, you know, are always, I mean, there are people have gotten

00:26:59.840 cynical at this point. They don't think there is justice in this country. Thanks in large part to

00:27:03.720 people like James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Obama, Biden, Clinton, et cetera. They just don't think that-

00:27:07.920 And by the way, I would add Jeff Sessions to that list. If you're blaming people for not applying

00:27:12.000 the law correctly, put failed U.S. Senate candidate Jeff Sessions on the list.

00:27:16.200 Well, let's, let's, let's throw Durham in there too. 1.00

00:27:18.680 Sure.

00:27:19.680 Yeah. So, or, uh, Bill Barr, I mean, but also, I mean-

00:27:22.600 By the way, Bo, you had me at Durham too. Like Durham does this big investigation and at the end

00:27:27.740 can't even tell us who the spies were reporting to that were chasing around George Papadopoulos.

00:27:32.320 So I don't think Durham's hands are clean. I don't think Barr's hands are clean, but now there are

00:27:37.800 events that are within the statute of limitations that are under review. I, I think that our, uh,

00:27:43.860 our expectation for a thorough review of the facts and the laws is probably well founded with the

00:27:49.660 current team. Yeah. And so, so when you've got this, I mean, people like not believing that there

00:27:55.140 is justice in America, believing that it is a two tier system. Uh, and when you've got all kinds of,

00:28:00.780 uh, criminality at every level, I mean, from state and local to federal corruption. The one

00:28:06.420 thing, what I really found interesting is when they went after Paul Manafort, uh, wrongly in a

00:28:12.400 lot of ways, I mean, uh, Podesta and his brother had been doing the same thing, but when they threw

00:28:16.640 the book at, uh, Paul Manafort for the Farrah violations, uh, a law that had been violated with

00:28:22.660 impunity by basically everybody, uh, in Washington, nobody's filing Farrah filings on time. Nobody's

00:28:28.760 disclosing all of the things that are required under that. When they threw the book at Paul

00:28:32.860 Manafort and put them in Rikers, Farrah filings skyrocketed. Everybody started following the rules

00:28:38.080 again. And so that's, that's just kind of a, uh, it shows you that like when, when justice is applied,

00:28:43.700 people start following the rules again. So I think it's a long overdue that those who have broken the

00:28:48.460 law face justice. And I think we can start to, uh, heal and, and get people's, uh, you know,

00:28:53.680 expectations of living in a just system, uh, back, back on track. I've had people have different

00:29:00.100 views on this subject. So, so I'll obviously be interested in yours. Can we get justice without

00:29:06.060 criminal charges? There are some of my colleagues in Congress who say, look, if we expose all this,

00:29:11.040 if we create a real nasty deterrent around this with, uh, with the, just the light of, uh, of sunshine

00:29:18.840 in these dark places, nobody will want to do this in the future. Do you think there have to be

00:29:24.220 charges? And if there are charges, do you think there have to be convictions or do indictments

00:29:28.980 function as a sufficient deterrent? I think there absolutely has to be charges. I think,

00:29:33.940 I think president Trump tried it the first time and, and being magnanimous, taking the high road,

00:29:39.220 uh, saying that I know that I promised to lock her up, but I'm not going to do it.

00:29:43.140 Letting the statute of limitations elapse on so many crimes of the Biden, uh, administration,

00:29:48.520 or the Obama administration. Uh, and so he, he took the high road and they threw it in his face

00:29:54.020 and they've only gotten more bold about it. They've only gotten more radical on the left.

00:29:58.280 Now here's, here's where it gets a little dicey about not taking the high road and trying to,

00:30:03.340 um, you know, meet out justice in, uh, in the strongest form possible is if you, if you take a

00:30:10.440 swing and you miss the government party is going to come after everyone. We already saw them do it.

00:30:16.420 I mean, they locked up, uh, you know, not just the January sixers, but so many people close to Trump.

00:30:21.520 Uh, you know, I think I saw over 50 people. I mean, Steve Bannon in various forms,

00:30:26.080 the government party punished them. Trump himself got punished with, uh, charges that were totally

00:30:31.320 ludicrous. And so if you go, if you, you know, it's, it's, it, on the one hand, it's, uh, getting

00:30:37.580 justice. On the other hand, it is a bit of vindication, uh, in vengeance, uh, which people do

00:30:42.120 want to see, but if he doesn't see it through, then it's going to be like twice as hard and

00:30:46.820 everybody's going to jail. Is Congress an appropriate, uh, forum, you know, to resolve

00:30:54.000 some of those misdeeds. And, and I ask this because it did feel good when we had some of

00:31:00.280 these bad guys before us to grill them, ask questions. I think one of the reasons John

00:31:04.260 Brennan has been referred for criminal prosecution is because he lied in a deposition where I was asking

00:31:08.780 him questions. Uh, at the same time, Congress can't lock anybody up. They don't have charging

00:31:14.180 authority. If you were there advising, you know, the, the Jim Jordans and James Comer, James Comers,

00:31:20.880 how would you direct that congressional authority and direction and congressional energy to its maximum

00:31:26.740 effect? I can't tell you how many, you know, on the one hand, it's like, you know, people, uh,

00:31:32.780 talk about sternly worded letters and never getting any accountability, um, from Congress. And it's a lot of,

00:31:38.140 uh, TV moments. On the other hand, I can't tell you like, I mean, Senator Ron Johnson, your work,

00:31:43.700 uh, when you were there, the number of reports and information that you guys are able to get

00:31:48.160 and put out into the public light and shine a spotlight on this stuff. You're able to get

00:31:52.460 documents that we're not able to get. It's amazing. It's amazing what, uh, Congress has been able to

00:31:56.700 produce, uh, whether it's, uh, oversight chair, James Comer, Senator Ron Johnson. I mean, I'm looking at

00:32:02.820 Grassley letters from decades ago in, in productions that are, that are fantastic. So, um, I, I love the

00:32:09.640 work that Congress does and the oversight and investigations capacity. I would say, keep going.

00:32:14.840 Uh, what do you think is underutilized there? Where do you think they need to look more and they

00:32:18.400 haven't yet? Well, it's, and I think about this a lot. I, I don't know, you know better than I do,

00:32:24.840 but the subpoenas, what they, they have to be signed off on by, uh, liberal judges. So that's why

00:32:30.220 it's so hard to, to get them to be complied with. I, I know that the subpoenas, we wish there were

00:32:34.240 more of them, uh, for all kinds of stuff. Um, I also know that, you know, Congress can only do

00:32:39.240 so many things at once and there's so much corruption to uncover. So yeah, I can, I can

00:32:43.920 reveal a little bit about that decision-making because I was frustrated at times when Democrats

00:32:49.340 had the January 6th committee, it was clockwork. Somebody got a letter saying you have 15 days to

00:32:55.560 show up and give us the testimony and documents that we are asking for. And if that did not happen

00:33:01.020 in 15 days on day 16, a subpoena was issued. So you've got to have some accommodation, but with

00:33:07.300 the Democrats, it was like clockwork. I at times was frustrated that with Republicans, you know,

00:33:13.000 we'd send a letter asking and then they'd send a letter back saying, you know, we should have a

00:33:18.020 phone call about this. We'd schedule that for about a week. Yeah. We'd have a phone call. Then we'd

00:33:22.920 decide on the phone call. What we really needed was an in-person meeting. Everybody would get

00:33:26.960 together for a meeting. Well, then at the meeting, we decided what really needs another meeting at

00:33:30.900 another time. And I'm sitting there saying, get these people under compulsory process. Now the,

00:33:36.680 the limiting principle on that is if Congress issues a subpoena, you're absolutely right. The

00:33:41.860 person receiving it could go to a judge in Washington, DC. You don't see a lot of them with

00:33:47.460 MAGA hats in their old Facebook profiles, right? And they have the opportunity to quash that subpoena.

00:33:53.460 But I would argue that Republicans would be way further ahead at getting to the precise factual

00:34:00.100 allegations that you've made in your books and in your reporting. If we would just get to the

00:34:04.820 business of doing it. If we had the same rhythm that the January 6th committee did, we would have

00:34:10.760 the congressional reports that would be validating a lot of the stuff that we saw in Quentin Cash,

00:34:18.040 that we saw in Secret Empires, that we saw in the Controllogarchs books that, that you were involved

00:34:24.280 in. And so that's my urging to my friends in Congress, get the subpoenas out. You know what,

00:34:29.320 if you litigate them, if it doesn't go your way, fine, find another person to send a subpoena to,

00:34:34.680 because there is not a single significant living human whose calendar and email is not on like at least

00:34:40.480 three devices, you know, and, and that I think presents tremendous opportunity. Remember in

00:34:45.800 the January 6th case, it wasn't always the principles that they even got to and flipped

00:34:50.260 and got to take their narrative. It was, it was the low level people like Cassidy Hutchinson,

00:34:55.540 who they were able to make stars through a series of misrepresentations and lies. I do want to get to

00:35:01.960 your more recent work, Seamus. You have really been digging in on the, the Antifa problem we have in

00:35:08.480 this country and the way that the left's street muscle has found its way to some of the most

00:35:15.580 dangerous donors on the radical left. Talk to us for a moment about what you're looking at. What do

00:35:22.140 you think it's going to reveal? Yeah. So, uh, I was at the White House, uh, about 10 days ago,

00:35:28.160 briefing President Trump on, uh, Antifa at the White House round table on Antifa. And the message I

00:35:33.600 wanted to convey to President Trump was yes, Antifa is a story all about violence and in the chaos that

00:35:39.700 they're doing in cities like Portland and Seattle. But I think many people recognize, and I know

00:35:44.660 President Trump does, that it is a story about money. Uh, this is a money story. And so we follow

00:35:50.140 the money. We followed, followed it to the top of the protest industrial complex. We're calling it

00:35:55.240 Riot Inc. And, uh, like many businesses, Riot Inc. doesn't just have the, the foot soldiers, people on

00:36:01.600 the ground. It's got, uh, entire divisions. It's got PR, uh, in, in, uh, communications divisions. Uh,

00:36:08.520 it's got, uh, you know, a very well-funded legal division, uh, that helps get these rioters out of

00:36:14.460 jail as soon as they can and back onto the streets. Uh, and it's got investors. And so we really wanted to

00:36:19.880 focus in on the investors. Uh, and that's of course, George Soros and the Open Society institutes and

00:36:26.100 all of the Soros network money, but it's other things that people haven't heard about. Not, not

00:36:30.300 as many people have heard about like the tides network or, uh, the Ford foundation Ford network

00:36:35.640 or, uh, the Arabella network, which is really cut. People are starting to realize Arabella is 10 times

00:36:41.880 bigger and more powerful in some ways than Soros. Of course, it's funded by Soros primarily, but also,

00:36:47.520 uh, Bill Gates put a bunch of money into the Arabella network, uh, and even foreign money's 0.99

00:36:51.940 going in there as well. What are the goals of these donors?

00:36:58.340 Well, they're, I mean, they've, they've all in some ways got their own goals and they're also

00:37:01.840 working in lockstep. So they want, I mean, I, I titled the book control of Garx. I mean,

00:37:06.360 the number one thing that they, the through line that connects them all is they're all kind of

00:37:09.780 control freaks. They want to control every aspect of your life. They want to control what kind of car 0.89

00:37:14.240 you can drive, what kind of stove you can have, what kind of temperature you can set your home

00:37:18.400 at. Seriously. Uh, you know, they're working on, uh, you know, via the climate change power grab,

00:37:23.360 all of those things. I think, uh, people are starting to wake up to the climate scam. So,

00:37:27.560 uh, they'll have to recalibrate as they often do, but chaos creates a form of control. I mean,

00:37:32.500 this is why, uh, George Soros likes open borders. He wants to flood the country with different

00:37:38.060 factions, keep us arguing amongst each other. Also why he wants to, uh, jailbreak, uh, as many

00:37:44.000 criminals as possible, uh, and, and put in place these soft on crime prosecutors. It all creates

00:37:49.700 this, this stew of kind of a chaos that keeps Americans arguing with each other and screaming

00:37:55.320 about no Kings or whatever, uh, and, and, and making funny videos that are really not all that funny.

00:38:00.920 Um, uh, rather than focusing on people like him. Chaos is a form of control. Uh, folks, I think we've

00:38:09.240 got our title for the episode. Seamus just gave right there because it is so true. Now, if, if what

00:38:14.400 you've just described is the archetype of the investor, bring me to the archetype of the street

00:38:20.000 muscle. Who are these people? Are, are they, uh, paid riders? Do they have regular jobs? Do I have to

00:38:27.280 worry that like late at night, my dentist is secretly in Antifa? I mean, actually you might

00:38:33.480 have to, uh, worry about it. Well, no dentists are probably fine, but, uh, you know, certainly

00:38:37.900 the teachers that might live nearby. I mean, the, the, it's a staggering number of teachers. I mean,

00:38:43.140 you had this one who was pantomiming, uh, Charlie Kirk's assassination. And so while it's plenty of

00:38:48.820 memes have been made, this is really sick stuff. So, uh, no, not every protester is paid. A lot of

00:38:54.100 them ruined their Saturday of an otherwise beautiful Saturday for free. Um, but then there

00:38:59.620 are thousands, thousands and thousands of paid professional organizers, professional protest

00:39:06.300 groups. There's companies that, uh, like dial a crowd, you know, dial a crowd companies. I mean,

00:39:12.220 I don't, I wouldn't say that the whole thing is that or even a significant portion, but again,

00:39:16.520 there's this entire ecosystem and these groups, I mean, the list, we have thousands of grants going

00:39:23.000 to these groups and dozens, hundreds. I mean, there's over 200 official no Kings partners and,

00:39:29.240 uh, organizers on its website. I mean, just a staggering number. So you've got things like

00:39:33.600 the ACLU, 50, 51, 350.org. Uh, and then like there's other ones, dream defenders, the ruckus

00:39:40.820 society. We mapped out every single one of these, uh, professional protest organizations came up with a

00:39:46.860 number. And this is a conservative estimate, $294 million, according to the latest IRS 990

00:39:53.820 documents. Uh, and, and, and again, that's conservative. I mean, if you bring in even more

00:39:58.940 groups, uh, with, you know, like we're just mapping the Arabella Soros, Tides, Rockefeller,

00:40:04.740 uh, and, uh, Singham networks. But there's like, you know, there's the, the Packard foundation,

00:40:09.800 there's, uh, the Mark McArthur foundation. There's all these billion, uh, billion dollar foundations

00:40:14.920 out there that are also funding these groups. So again, two 94 millions, uh, on the low end,

00:40:20.500 if you brought in every left-wing funding network, you'd have, uh, over a billion dollars,

00:40:25.340 I'm sure. And when you're able to lash resources like that to people who are willing to do harm,

00:40:30.020 it can become very violent and very dangerous for the country. We certainly saw that during the

00:40:34.900 George Floyd riots, and we seem to be seeing an effort to reignite that. And there are folks who

00:40:40.720 would say, I'm not violent. I'm not Antifa. I went to my local, no Kings rally to hang out with

00:40:47.560 my boomer friends and catch a little pickleball afterwards. Uh, but, uh, I wonder whether or not

00:40:54.580 the worst features of Antifa use those gatherings, those bigger gatherings like no Kings for recruitment.

00:41:02.060 What have you learned about how Antifa recruits people to become violent?

00:41:07.500 Oh, absolutely. Antifa is extremely well organized. Uh, and so you're, you're a hundred percent right

00:41:14.000 recruitment for sure. Uh, it's also a way to gather, uh, you know, very both for Antifa and

00:41:20.440 for the democratic party. I mean, this is a huge pre 2026, uh, mobilization effort to get all the

00:41:26.780 numbers and the text messages and start, uh, getting cash from, uh, people who are fired up, uh, segmenting

00:41:32.800 and doing kind of market analysis on who's the most fired up. But as far as Antifa, uh, definitely

00:41:38.040 a recruiting area, the type of people are Antifa are pretty disturbed individuals. Um, I think they

00:41:43.740 were radicalized a long time ago. Many of them, uh, usually through the school system, they probably

00:41:48.380 had a teacher like the one you saw, uh, uh, my pantomiming a Charlie Kirk assassination. Um, and so,

00:41:54.740 uh, yeah, recruitment, uh, Antifa, by the way, they're going to, I mean, as this crackdown continues,

00:42:00.220 uh, thank goodness that the, uh, the judge is allowing the national guard into Portland. I'm

00:42:05.380 talking to reporters on the ground there. It's still chaotic days after no kids basically been

00:42:11.480 like one long riot running for months outside this ice facility there. Um, once the crackdown

00:42:18.220 really happens and we're already seeing signs of it, they're going to drop the Antifa label.

00:42:21.780 Uh, they're calling them anti, they're calling themselves anti-authoritarian, uh, ism now like

00:42:26.480 anti-auth or something. Uh, so they'll change the name. They'll call it a mutual aid, like Rose City

00:42:31.660 Antifa. It's now Rose City, like mutual aid or, you know, they, they, they dropped the Antifa,

00:42:36.620 but they are still extremely well organized. They're networked. They've got all kinds of, you know,

00:42:41.620 they use all the encrypted messaging apps, uh, all of these decentralized funding platforms. Uh,

00:42:47.040 there's, there's a couple that we've sent to the FBI to look into. Uh, and so,

00:42:51.780 yeah, no Kings is definitely a recruiting ground. And it's also kind of like a place to like hide

00:42:57.260 out, um, and like hide out amongst the boomers and then create chaos in, you know, the cities 0.99

00:43:02.400 that are usual hotspots. Hiding out amongst the boomers is how I've spent most of my life in 1.00

00:43:06.820 Florida, but for a very different purpose than like throwing a Molotov cocktail at an ice facility.

00:43:11.420 I wonder, I wonder how violent this could get and how high the acuity could get. You know,

00:43:16.640 if we look back at the summer of 2020 as an example of a tragic, people were killed, uh, law enforcement

00:43:23.160 killed, uh, federal property destroyed, but you saw a lot of the Molotov cocktail approach to

00:43:30.420 violence. Um, you know, not mass casualty events. If unchecked, does Antifa have the capability

00:43:38.880 to create more mass casualty events in our country? Oh, absolutely. I mean, right after the,

00:43:46.440 the Charlie Kirk assassination, we looked into this group called armed queers of Salt Lake City. 1.00

00:43:52.140 And, uh, you know, there were reports that it was under investigation for connection. Uh, at this time,

00:43:56.880 there's no evidence that they were, but what we found out about armed queers of Salt Lake City is 0.99

00:44:01.340 it's this, this gun club of, you know, I've seen pictures of 30 or so of them with, uh, you know,

00:44:06.300 high, high powered rifles, which were, were totally in fans of the second amendment. Don't want

00:44:11.460 anybody's second amendment rights to be curtailed at all. That's not a sign of anything. What was

00:44:15.940 really damning though, is that they all flew down to Cuba and got this Marxist revolutionary training

00:44:22.200 funded by Neville Roy Singham, the, the, the, the billionaire living over in China, who's funding

00:44:27.320 the people's forum, which funds like, you know, the party of socialism and liberation and all of these

00:44:32.320 other code pink, uh, like really, really radical organizations. They bring down, they brought down

00:44:38.500 over 700, uh, various groups, BLM armed queers of Salt Lake City, et cetera, down to Cuba to get 0.53

00:44:46.400 revolutionary training on how to overthrow government. They put on their sub stack quite openly on the

00:44:51.640 armed queer sub stack. I think the post has been scrubbed, but we archived it that their goal is to

00:44:56.440 overthrow the United States of America. And so, uh, this is like insurrection or, you know, there's got to be a

00:45:02.120 charge for that kind of thing. Um, the fact that they're training and they actually get former

00:45:06.560 Marines who've, or, you know, various, you know, uh, us service members who are experts in weaponry

00:45:13.360 have been trained on our tax dollars who have become radicalized somehow, uh, are now training these

00:45:18.820 groups. And, uh, you know, uh, one that the, uh, armed queers of Salt Lake City was partnered with, 0.92

00:45:23.720 uh, did a training with is called the John Brown gun club of Elm Fork. Well, one of its members,

00:45:29.260 uh, shot an ice officer in Alvarado, Texas. So, uh, thankfully the ice officer survived,

00:45:35.220 but he easily could have died. Then you had the recent, more recent attack on the ice facility

00:45:39.820 in Texas. Uh, you've got, I mean, the, the, the political violence is escalating with that much

00:45:45.800 we know. And when you've got, uh, people who are training by the dozens with, uh, you know,

00:45:51.400 people who are experts in, uh, overthrowing governments, experts in Marxist revolutionary

00:45:56.700 rhetoric and recruitment and, uh, also gun experts, it's a recipe for disaster. And then one last

00:46:03.520 thing is that, you know, you'd think that the, the democratic party, the progressive, uh, elites

00:46:08.840 would, well, I don't know if you'd think it, but you'd expect that they say, you know what,

00:46:12.900 it's not okay to kill, uh, your political opponents, but just look at Jay Jones, the candidate

00:46:17.500 for attorney general in Virginia. He says he wants to put two bullets in his opponent's head 0.99

00:46:22.500 and you've got the entire democratic establishment circling the wagon saying, oh, well, you know,

00:46:27.000 it's just a joke or something right in the wake of Charlie Kirk. So it's not a joke. Uh, I think

00:46:31.720 the, uh, the investors in riot Inc should disavow publicly, uh, all of the members of the, uh, no

00:46:38.420 Kings movement that were saying that Donald Trump should have been shot. If only the bullet had been

00:46:42.320 just a little to the right, uh, and other sick stuff, uh, you know, just really, really, uh,

00:46:48.060 yeah, I think normal people are really shocked that now it's all on camera. You're seeing that

00:46:52.600 your teachers are celebrating, uh, that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. I think, uh, there's been a big

00:46:58.720 shift here since Charlie Kirk's assassination. When you briefed president Trump, he wanted that to be

00:47:05.680 public. He had a lot of people in, he took in a lot of information. He could have had that as a

00:47:10.580 private as a private briefing, but I think he wanted to send the message to some of these violent

00:47:15.580 leftists, but this is a government focused on, on this challenge. And on this problem,

00:47:20.240 we saw, uh, deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche take a leading role in ensuring that there was

00:47:25.640 this designation of Antifa as a terrorist group. You've pointed out how they've kind of gone DEI on

00:47:30.740 that. I like everything that was DEI now exists under another sort of DEI ish name. You've described how

00:47:37.540 Antifa is going to play that game, but do you think that they fear the Trump administration?

00:47:41.800 Do you think that these violent leftists understand what they could be up against?

00:47:46.920 Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you've seen the video of one of these Antifa guys,

00:47:49.700 I think it's in Portland or Seattle who gets caught and he is, uh, shaking like a leaf.

00:47:54.100 They're very tough under their masks, but the minute that they get busted and, uh, I mean,

00:47:58.360 they are crying, uh, crying about, uh, so I think, I think they are, you know, when they're in a group

00:48:04.080 and you get this mob psychology going, I think they're emboldened. And then all of a sudden

00:48:07.440 reality smacks them in the face and they're rolling, they're rolling on a cart into a cell.

00:48:12.140 And, uh, you know, that you get this, uh, you know, I think, I think underneath it all,

00:48:15.720 they're, they're actually, uh, scared even if they don't know it yet.

00:48:18.580 Well, let's hope that that fear changes behavior because going after these groups,

00:48:23.760 following the money trail, as you've laid out, it's going to be a lot of work. And if we can just

00:48:27.560 scare them into not wanting to hurt anybody, that probably would be all for the best.

00:48:31.880 Seamus, how can folks continue to follow your work and your journalism as you stay on this

00:48:36.940 really important case? Thanks, Matt. Uh, I'm at Seamus Bruner on all platforms, S E A M U S

00:48:43.980 B R U N E R. Uh, Twitter is where I spend most of my, I post most of the stuff. We've got a website

00:48:49.920 where we put our investigations, the drill down.com, the drill down.com Schweitzer's got the Schweitzer

00:48:56.620 drill down podcast. And, uh, yeah, that's where you can find all our stuff. Well, we love being

00:49:02.320 able to follow all the, the great research you're doing. Love having you as a guest here on one

00:49:07.200 American news and on the Mac Gates show and look forward to following up with you soon and seeing

00:49:11.000 how it's all going. Seamus Bruner, always a pleasure. Thanks, Matt. A lot of fun. Are you ready

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The Anchormen Show Episode 69 - Chaos is a Form of Control w⧸ Seamus Bruner

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