The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - October 23, 2025


The Anchormen Show Episode 69 - Chaos is a Form of Control w⧸ Seamus Bruner


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50 minutes

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187.61755

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521

Misogynist Sentences

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Summary

In this episode of The Anchor Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Dan Ball, host Matt talks with opposition researcher Seamus Bruner about his work with Peter Schweitzer and the Clinton Foundation, and how he and his partner, Seamus, became one of the most influential opposition researchers on the political right.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Now, it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Dan Ball.
00:00:21.820 Welcome back to Anchorman. This is Matt Gaetz. I'm host of the Matt Gaetz Show here on One
00:00:25.780 American News, and we like to go into tradecraft sometimes, the things that really impact the
00:00:31.400 shifting of politics and power and media. And today I've got on the show truly one of the best
00:00:38.680 investigative journalists, maybe opposition researchers that we have on the political
00:00:43.900 right. And you've probably not met an opposition researcher the way you would meet a political
00:00:49.080 candidate or even see their campaign managers or principal spokespeople in media. Opposition
00:00:55.880 researchers work day in, day out to find the dirt, to expose it, to put it before the public,
00:01:02.140 and then it gets operationalized in campaigns and all the other apparatus that we have.
00:01:07.040 So I know that there is no enterprise like the Schweitzer Bruner enterprise to do this work.
00:01:15.440 And that's why I brought here Seamus Bruner. He is no stranger to our audience on One
00:01:20.220 American News. But Seamus, maybe just to set the stage a little bit for my audience,
00:01:24.720 talk about like you and Peter and how you guys got to working together and how you decided that
00:01:31.300 what you wanted to do in life was expose the worst moments, worst deals, and worst relationships
00:01:38.700 of incredibly powerful people. Well, thank you, Matt, for that introduction. That was great.
00:01:45.440 I wanted to go into politics. I studied political science, international affairs, thought I wanted
00:01:50.800 to go, you know, grow up to be like Matt Gaetz. And then I met Peter Schweitzer and realized I don't
00:01:56.720 want anything to do with that. Everybody's going to come after you with daggers. So I decided to
00:02:02.480 become one of the people with a dagger and investigate the corruption. It's a whole lot more fun.
00:02:07.920 It's like shooting fish in a barrel. You just follow the money and you never know where it leads,
00:02:13.220 but it usually is to corruption. Yeah. Following the money is your expertise. It's what you and
00:02:19.060 Peter do better than anybody in the business. And there's so much in the news right now about what
00:02:24.440 the other side tried to do, converting opposition research into this counterintelligence investigation,
00:02:30.860 ultimately really a criminal investigation of President Trump and his family. And when the media
00:02:36.820 first start to grab a hold of this, when the media says, aha, we caught Donald Trump Jr. trying to get
00:02:43.440 dirt about Hillary Clinton on the Russians, chairman of the Trump campaign, Steve Bannon came out and
00:02:49.580 said, this is crazy. We didn't need to collude with the Russians to get opposition research on Hillary
00:02:54.840 Clinton. We had all of it. We needed in the book written by Peter Schweitzer and Seamus Bruner,
00:03:00.960 Clinton Cash. And so that really is where all of this starts. We're going to get into the
00:03:05.260 Biden stuff and then also the Antifa stuff that you're all over right now. But this began with you
00:03:12.460 and Peter writing the Clinton Cash book. It was a great book. It went through how they used the power
00:03:18.920 of government to monetize their own lifestyle. For those who haven't checked it out, for those who need
00:03:24.800 to, what's the principal lesson people are going to draw from it? And what are some of the searing
00:03:29.160 moments in Clinton Cash that really caused that book to be revered as one of the greatest pieces
00:03:35.500 of opposition research ever? Yeah, I mean, that's probably my favorite investigation we've ever
00:03:42.020 done. That's really where I cut my teeth following the money. Schweitzer gave me a, you know, foot tall
00:03:47.860 stack of Clinton Foundation 990s, literally printed out back then. We didn't have the tools we have now,
00:03:54.740 just Excel and PDFs. And I said, make sense of this. So I put all of the Clinton Foundation
00:04:00.840 990s into a spreadsheet, started sorting from high to low dollar amounts. And what do you know? I mean,
00:04:07.280 foreign governments, foreign businesses, it's like, what the heck? And then you did some,
00:04:11.040 we did some analysis, found that the numbers to the Clinton Foundation, the numbers in the speaking
00:04:16.940 fees skyrocketed really around 2008. I mean, usually when a president leaves office,
00:04:22.600 the numbers start to go down, they get a big surge on the speaking fees, and then
00:04:26.680 they kind of taper off. When Hillary Clinton announced that she was running against Obama in
00:04:31.500 2008, they skyrocketed. And then they only got bigger from there through the Secretary of State
00:04:37.420 tenure. Then we started saying, well, what are these people paying for? And I just did a site search on
00:04:42.640 state.gov. You know, Russia, you know, Bill Clinton's in Moscow, he's getting paid 500 grand for a 30
00:04:49.660 minute speech. What's going on at the State Department? They're negotiating new start
00:04:54.220 treaties, they're doing nuclear deals, they're doing all kinds of stuff, including selling our
00:04:59.480 uranium and approving that sale of Uranium One. I know you were all over that when you were in
00:05:04.480 Congress. It was really, really fun times. The key takeaway was, before that book came out,
00:05:09.680 Hillary Clinton was soaring high on like a 60 to 70% approval rating, even amongst Republicans.
00:05:16.100 You can't believe it, but it's true. I mean, back then, at least that's what the press would say.
00:05:21.100 From there, it tanked. And a lot of people said, oh, but her emails, but her emails. It really wasn't
00:05:25.260 about her emails. The reason that people started to doubt her, I mean, yeah, the email scandal was big,
00:05:30.380 but it was the fact that it was pay to play. They were selling foreign policy to the highest bidder
00:05:35.000 to America's enemies. And, you know, I don't think, you know, no one looked back. On the Russia part,
00:05:41.060 the whole Russiagate scandal became a scandal because James Comey, Andrew McCabe, they had,
00:05:48.000 there were five FBI field offices investigating Clinton Cash. They were starting to make its way
00:05:52.900 to the Washington field office, you know, the main, the hub and HQ. And Andrew McCabe specifically
00:05:59.200 worked with James Comey to shut those down. We now know that. And so at the same time, it was just like
00:06:05.300 a month later after they're shutting down the Uranium One investigations for Clinton,
00:06:09.380 they concocted this projection deception, thanks to the Clinton campaign and Fusion GPS.
00:06:15.860 It had the added benefit of giving, you know, getting FISA warrants and totally framing President
00:06:21.360 Trump, now President Trump. But back then it was, it was crazy, like that the FBI worked hand in glove
00:06:27.460 with the Clinton campaign to not just protect Hillary, but to project onto Donald Trump, her own
00:06:34.000 malfeasance. And the incestuous nature of that really was laid bare when you saw that Andrew
00:06:40.920 McCabe's wife was soliciting Hillary Clinton's endorsement in a state Senate campaign while the
00:06:48.360 Little Rock, Arkansas field office of the FBI gets your book, gets your research, and they open up this
00:06:55.480 investigation. When you published this, did you really think the FBI was going to almost pick up
00:07:00.400 your book like a manuscript to the bad dealings of the Clinton family?
00:07:06.280 I did not think that at all. I mean, it was shocking stuff. I mean, I was, you know, pretty
00:07:10.720 new to this stuff back then. I mean, we're talking 10 years ago. But no, I did not expect that at all.
00:07:16.780 I would say, by the way, a much lesser known book, not as famous, was a book I wrote with John
00:07:21.880 Solomon titled Fallout. And chapter five is titled Clinton Crash. It's a wonderful chapter. I read it
00:07:30.400 recently going down memory lane, because after all the WikiLeaks emails came out, the Podesta emails,
00:07:36.300 we found what the Clinton campaign was doing at this time. And so you had Huma Abedin and Robbie
00:07:42.180 Mook and all of the Clinton surrogates freaking out that there was this new book coming out. And they're
00:07:49.000 like, I think David Brock can get a copy of it. So it's pretty, pretty great behind the scenes look,
00:07:54.360 thanks to the John Podesta emails of what really went on. And it's kind of surreal. I mean, they really
00:08:00.080 freaked out about it. All of their internal campaign polling, according to WikiLeaks attachments,
00:08:05.640 showed that the Uranium One issue was her biggest liability in the campaign. The fact that the Secretary of
00:08:12.100 State would approve a deal to now, I mean, especially in going back and looking at it in light of the
00:08:18.520 Ukraine and Russia war going on, it's like this was, you know, borderline treason.
00:08:23.940 You describe something called the Clinton blur. And it is the intersection of policy, purported philanthropy,
00:08:34.260 and profit all whirling together. And what's so interesting about looking back at that chapter now,
00:08:40.980 is it's kind of the same thing as the Biden blur. And it's actually an archetype for a lot of powerful
00:08:47.060 people in Washington who are able to convert power into personal wealth. Take a moment and just
00:08:55.400 describe the Clinton blur. Yeah, and it's funny you bring up the Bidens because it's crazy times
00:09:03.040 getting, you know, with having the Hunter Biden emails, the John Podesta emails. I mean, you'd never
00:09:07.100 really think that you'd be able to get such a behind the scenes look. But we know these scandals
00:09:11.920 with 100% certainty because we have the smoking gun emails. One of those smoking gun Biden emails is
00:09:18.340 after this Clinton stuff is a scandal, they say, we really want to set this up like the Clinton
00:09:23.420 Global Initiative, the Biden post-presidency. So they looked to the Clintons in the Clinton blur
00:09:29.260 as a model to be emulated. The Clinton blur is simple. I mean, you got one person in power
00:09:35.020 and one person who is out of power and collecting all of the checks. Hunter Biden was that for Joe.
00:09:41.700 You know, Bill Clinton and his speaking fees was that for Hillary. It's way more scandalous in some
00:09:46.700 sense with the Clintons because they're spouses. So like every speech payment directly enriches the
00:09:51.780 bottom line of the Secretary of State. At least with Hunter Biden, it's his adult child. I mean,
00:09:56.860 by the way, John Podesta, his daughter was never, never saw any justice on this years and years ago.
00:10:02.540 She was holding shares in his name for a Russian backed company, Jewel Unlimited. We broke
00:10:08.060 that story. The Daily Caller did some good reporting on that as well. But John Podesta,
00:10:13.020 his children, of course, John Kerry with Chris Hines. When you have these adult children going
00:10:19.560 around and the brothers, of course, of Joe Biden, the blur is having one person collect the checks
00:10:24.640 while the person in power gives the, I mean, it's bribery by any other name.
00:10:28.860 How prominent do you think that is in Washington at the congressional and Senate level? Because I
00:10:35.360 mean, you're picking on Democrats, but I remember how bizarre it was that the former Republican
00:10:40.960 chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Senator Richard Burr, had like family members who were
00:10:45.520 paid lobbyists who you could just go and rent out for influence. Is this something that like more and
00:10:51.580 more in Washington are doing? Oh, completely. I mean, it's the entire business model of Washington.
00:10:58.320 You know, you've got Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao at various points. I mean, Mitch McConnell's
00:11:04.040 always been in power, but Elaine Chao hasn't been. She's been on various boards. You've got even, you know,
00:11:10.620 people I would consider pretty good, you know, politicians and people who are fighting the good
00:11:16.140 fight. Ron Paul's family had a lot of people, at least on the payroll. And so, you know, there's
00:11:21.660 things, it's a scale, it's a spectrum. I mean, having your, your wife and your, you know, family
00:11:26.500 on the campaign payroll, that's not necessarily corrupt. It is self-enrichment to a degree. But
00:11:32.600 when you, when you're selling policy, that's when it really crosses the line. So I would say
00:11:36.060 everybody in politics, their family, you know, have, has family members also in politics who benefit
00:11:41.060 from the proximity to, you know, the person who is in power. I just discovered, you know,
00:11:47.960 discovered a couple of months ago when I was looking at the EPA gold bars off the Titanic story,
00:11:53.380 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse was griping extra loudly about the attempt to bring back some of this money
00:12:00.040 that had been dumped into the pockets of Biden allies right at the 11th hour of the Biden
00:12:05.560 administration. His wife has got one of these NGOs that is collecting climate cash, working
00:12:10.940 for ocean conservancy. So you really can't swing a cat without hitting somebody whose family members
00:12:16.520 on the payroll, especially when it's taxpayer money. That's a big problem. If it's campaign money,
00:12:21.820 you know, that's less bad. I would, I guess I would say. Yeah. We had that with the Bernie Sanders
00:12:26.200 dynamic as well, where he and his wife were getting very rich off of some of the donations that people
00:12:32.920 were making 10, $15 at a time through kind of this veiled theory that his wife was placing the media
00:12:39.980 buys and thus like was entitled to a huge off the top percentage. Really some, some, some, some.
00:12:47.920 Go ahead. That was, that was so scandalous. I mean, you know, not like, like totally corrupt
00:12:52.240 scandalous, but if you're a Bernie supporter and you're thinking he's railing against the millionaires,
00:12:56.560 he's raking in millions of dollars, has five houses, and his wife is taking your campaign donations
00:13:01.360 in the form of ad buy cuts. Uh, you know, I think it was like upwards of 15%. So if the campaign
00:13:07.360 pulls in a hundred million or whatever, I mean, Bernie, Bernie, uh, pulled in a lot of money
00:13:11.320 and they do a, you know, tens of millions in, in media buys, that's a ton of money.
00:13:15.420 Bernie's vision on socialism wasn't to even evenly distribute all of the money that his wife was
00:13:20.740 raking off the top to everyone else in his campaign, in his country. They, they got to be pretty
00:13:25.160 capitalistic when it came to their own bank accounts. Um, you know, you, uh, you set this in motion
00:13:30.940 and you're right that when we look back at the emails now, it would be a mistake to be so reductive
00:13:37.840 as to say, well, that was about destroying evidence. Like the real thing was the actual
00:13:43.040 evidence and what it showcased and the culpability that it demonstrated. Do you think that that,
00:13:50.400 that, that revelation that you helped uncover is really what led the Clinton campaign. And then
00:13:56.140 ultimately the Obama government to say, we've got to blame Russia for all this. We have to come up
00:14:01.420 with a bigger scandal than selling the state department. And so out of whole cloth, they
00:14:07.820 manufacture the Russia hoax. I think, I think it has a huge part, if not total. I mean, for one,
00:14:13.300 it has to be a foreign power because then you get the powers of the intelligence community. You get,
00:14:17.520 you get the FISA warrants. There has to be some specter of foreign influence and he's working with spies.
00:14:22.880 It could have been China, unlikely to be Iran, but of course they say, oh, his ties were made in China
00:14:28.100 or, uh, Ivanka Trump has some deals in China with her clothing line. So, um, they could have done
00:14:33.780 China, but they chose Russia and it had, it was far too convenient for the Clinton campaign and all of
00:14:39.820 the deals of the Obama administration. It wasn't just Hillary Clinton and selling. I mean, Hillary was
00:14:45.240 one of nine votes on that, uh, CFIUS committee that approved the Uranium One deal. Every single one of
00:14:51.320 the other votes had its own various reasons of, of saying, yes, any one of them could have said no.
00:14:56.420 And they ultimately take their lead from Barack Obama himself. There was a deal he was trying to
00:15:02.020 get done. He was trying to get done the Russia reset. Uh, it was actually part of the Iran nuclear
00:15:06.460 deal of all things, but they did a bunch of other Russia stuff too. They released, uh, the spies,
00:15:12.180 you know, the illegals program, Anna Chapman, the, the show, uh, the, the Americans is based off of
00:15:17.700 those, those spies who had embedded themselves at the highest level in the United States.
00:15:22.120 They just gave them back to Russia for basically nothing. Uh, we didn't get anything back. We got
00:15:26.620 a couple of British, uh, spies back, but not even Americans. Uh, they canceled the missile defense
00:15:31.840 in Poland, uh, all of the deals. They basically, the Skolkovo deal, which most people don't know
00:15:36.900 about, but they, we helped, we America helped Russia build a form of Silicon Valley outside of
00:15:43.300 Moscow that turned out to be helping build its hypersonic missile capabilities, as well as its
00:15:48.760 hacking capabilities, which is obviously ironic that they would blame Russian hackers after the
00:15:53.840 state department partnered with Russia to, to advance their tech capabilities. Um, so the entire
00:15:59.800 Biden, Obama administration had Russia liabilities by projecting them onto Trump. It becomes kind of a,
00:16:06.140 he said, she said scenario. Um, so at a minimum, it had that added benefit, if not the whole thing.
00:16:12.360 So, so much of us foreign policy during our lives has been directed to stop the Sino-Russian
00:16:20.220 fusion. Like it's not a good idea for the largest seller of energy to be aligned with the largest
00:16:26.100 consumer of energy against American interests. And so we've kind of played them off of, uh, of each
00:16:31.980 other, but they also play us. And I'm wondering if you think all of the connections that Hillary and,
00:16:40.040 uh, the Bidens and Obama himself had to China may have informed how they were thinking about Russia.
00:16:49.580 Yeah. I mean, the, the China connections are perhaps more insidious than the Russia ones,
00:16:53.560 because there's actually, I think the, the, you know, the security establishment actually does
00:16:57.600 hate Russia wants this Russia, uh, Ukraine war to keep going. Um, but the China connections are even
00:17:03.880 deeper. So, uh, you know, I think, I think you're right on that. I am most troubled by those China
00:17:09.900 connections that were funding the, all the people that ended up in the Biden administration at the
00:17:14.580 Biden center of UPenn. UPenn just stops complying with the law when it comes to disclosure of a
00:17:20.880 bunch of their foreign gifts. And meanwhile, you've got Blinken, a bunch of the people that end up at the
00:17:25.440 NSA using an academic institution to take in money that they otherwise wouldn't be able to take in.
00:17:32.780 So then it has them, you know, quite beholden to China. And I would suggest as we look at this war
00:17:38.260 with Russia and Ukraine, that was allowed to happen because of, of Joe Biden's various follies,
00:17:43.940 that is inward greatly to the benefit of China. Like China is buying out Russian assets in Cuba.
00:17:49.120 China is buying out features of, of Eastern Russia. They've got to just be laughing at us
00:17:54.940 as our politicians have become compromised in the ways that you've described.
00:18:00.600 Yeah, completely. I mean, the whole entire Biden administration was filled with people who had
00:18:04.520 previously, uh, been on China's payroll. Uh, you know, Tony, Tony Blinken, as you mentioned,
00:18:09.780 I mean, you had West exec with all kinds of China connections. I don't think anybody's Chinese
00:18:14.600 connections were worse than the Biden families. I mean, the, the deals that they made,
00:18:18.740 a billion dollar private equity deal backed by the bank of China, uh, that, that Hunter and Frank
00:18:24.860 Biden, I mean, they were getting credit card, a hundred thousand dollar preloaded credit cards
00:18:29.200 for shopping sprees that, uh, the, the whole Biden family was basically on the payroll of China
00:18:34.540 and Hunter Biden admits on, on, on audio on his laptop. I don't know why he would record himself,
00:18:40.200 but he says, I'm in business with the, uh, effing spy chief of China. Uh, you know, I mean,
00:18:47.060 there's so many smoking guns on the Hunter Biden laptop, which is why the entire, and it's really
00:18:52.100 actually unsettling that the intelligence community, I mean, back to what you started
00:18:56.140 with here, that the intelligence community would all circle the wagons, say it's all fake news.
00:19:01.260 It's like, who are they working for? You have 51 former spy chiefs and spy officials saying that
00:19:07.100 it's all fake news when it's actually prima facie evidence that the Biden family was corrupt.
00:19:12.160 Where were the FISA, uh, FISA warrants on Hunter Biden and his business partners? Why would they
00:19:18.020 try to, uh, get him out of the race the way they did, uh, uh, Donald Trump with Russia? I mean,
00:19:23.020 they, they should have gone to Joe early on when there were still a primary and said, look,
00:19:27.580 we know what you guys have been up to. This isn't good. It, it pretty much, uh, indicts the entire,
00:19:32.320 uh, you know, surveillance state. I think I know why they didn't do that though.
00:19:36.600 They were very comfortable with Biden. Remember Biden was a guy who was a long time Senate foreign
00:19:42.240 relations guy. He had, he had this, uh, romanticized view of NATO in his mind. I'm
00:19:49.240 sure it was reliving world war two, uh, like, you know, normative geopolitical discourse over and
00:19:55.140 over again. And so they thought they could control him. So even if they knew that stuff,
00:19:59.020 which they obviously did, you wrote a book about it. Uh, they didn't want to replace him
00:20:05.220 with someone who might demonstrate any type of independent thought. And fortunately for them,
00:20:12.380 I guess in their own minds, Kamala Harris is not capable of independent thought. And so she was a
00:20:17.600 suitable replacement, uh, when it, when it came time for them, just not a suitable replacement
00:20:21.580 among the voters. Having written these books about the, the Clinton corruption and the Biden
00:20:29.560 corruption, we see the similarities in the blur. Where are they different? Maybe this, maybe just
00:20:34.820 the stupidity of Hunter, you know, the Clintons were a little tidier than the Bidens, but where
00:20:39.780 would you say, no, no, no, there's a, there's a unique feature of how the Clintons did it or the
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00:21:17.860 Yeah. Well, I think you're exactly right on that point. They wanted someone they could control,
00:21:21.420 uh, the intelligence community that is. And so that, that, that's alarming. I mean,
00:21:25.260 that they would risk, uh, strengthening China, compromising the white house to China just so
00:21:30.940 that they could control the president. That's, that's a really, uh, scary stuff. Uh, where do
00:21:35.720 they, where do they differ? I mean, the, the Clintons are just far more, uh, shrewd, ruthless.
00:21:40.880 They have way better bookkeeping skills. It actually has the, uh, the aura and patina of a legitimate
00:21:47.780 enterprise. I mean, I see what you did there. I said, that was very, very creative use of love. We're
00:21:52.300 going to make the viewers Google that. That was a nice little nugget. You left them.
00:21:57.040 Whereas the Bidens were, I mean, they were just sloppy. Um, I, you know, they got away with it,
00:22:01.800 I guess, for the reason you just mentioned that, uh, he's a, he's a perfect puppet to,
00:22:05.680 to control by, you know, various powers in the deep state. Um, but yeah, just the sloppiness of the
00:22:12.280 Bidens at the same time, the scale, I mean, I don't, I never saw a billion dollar, uh, private
00:22:18.580 equity deal backed by the bank of China with the Clintons. I mean, you've got the $500,000
00:22:23.040 speech, uh, from the Russian, the Kremlin bank to bill. You've got the Canadian investors. That
00:22:29.220 was a hundred million for the Uranium one deal. But I mean, that, the, the scale of that, that
00:22:34.200 Chinese deal. And I think that there's still money hidden away. I know a lot of people believe that
00:22:38.720 the Bohai harvest thing, um, that stake that Hunter had. And they say, they've always said,
00:22:43.760 no, no, no, we sold the stake. Um, there's really no way of us proving that a law enforcement would
00:22:48.720 have to do that. Um, but we, you know, we've got reason to believe that it was transferred maybe to
00:22:53.020 the brother, uh, sugar bro, uh, Kevin Morris, um, and who may be holding it until all of the smoke
00:22:59.720 clears. I think, you know, maybe, maybe it's back in their hands. We couldn't know because there's no
00:23:03.460 more financial disclosures. So the Bidens seem to have gotten away with it just like the Clintons
00:23:08.840 did. I will say, um, that they will both go down as among the most corrupt, if not the most corrupt
00:23:15.960 first families in American history. And that is a form of justice. Do you know who stole more?
00:23:23.640 Who stole more from, uh, the American taxpayers? Well, you just like, when I say steal more,
00:23:29.080 I mean like grift more. I mean like, who do you think came out of this having sucked more actual
00:23:35.360 dollars out of the system? The Clintons or the Bidens? Let's see. The Bidens, uh, I think the
00:23:41.040 Clintons probably. Wow. The Clintons, uh, you know, they had their two, the Clinton Foundation
00:23:46.000 got two and a half billion dollars. Um, if not more, uh, the, so, so that's, you know, that that's
00:23:53.220 not the same as like a billion dollar private equity deal backed by the bank of China. In some ways
00:23:57.100 that's worse. Uh, a lot of those donations would be people just trying to curry, uh, curry favor,
00:24:02.340 cozy up that didn't actually get donations, which is why I say they're shrewd is because
00:24:07.660 they were able to take a ton of money and not actually have to sell anything for it. Just
00:24:12.400 the appearance of access, uh, you know, the, this Clinton global initiative, this annual
00:24:17.840 event, you know, selling tape, you know, memberships for 10 grand to pop plenty of people paid that
00:24:23.520 just for the privilege of maybe, uh, getting a photograph with bill and no policy sold. Um,
00:24:29.500 but I think in the end, the Biden seemed to have squandered it. Uh, you know, the Hunter is,
00:24:34.240 uh, you know, living, they don't have the same kind of, uh, lifestyle, I guess I would say. I
00:24:39.280 mean, Clintons fly around on private jets, uh, Bidens ride the Amtrak. Well, and maybe that's,
00:24:45.520 that's what the Bidens wanted. I do wonder about the allegation you made regarding the, uh, potential
00:24:51.600 for funds to be out there that we don't know about. Do you think that might've been one of the
00:24:56.700 motivations for Hunter pursuing this wide swath of pardons, not to shield themselves from any
00:25:03.520 prosecution, but just to make sure they got to keep the loot? Yeah. I mean, definitely. If, if,
00:25:09.680 if, if there is, I mean, the brothers barely got investigated, there's a sister, there's a
00:25:14.340 daughter. Um, so, so there's potentially a large, the, the Bidens were a very tight, very,
00:25:21.720 you know, very insular family. They would look out for each other. So by pardoning Hunter,
00:25:26.800 the brothers, I mean, Joe was effectively pardoning himself, but pardoning the entire family
00:25:31.380 from being, you know, totally having a microscope into all of their finances, which
00:25:36.080 the pardons came right as, uh, you know, house oversight chairman, James Comer and Senator Ron
00:25:41.920 Johnson. I mean, they were putting out stuff with the checks and the, the, the, the forgivable loans
00:25:46.940 that, uh, apparently Joe's brother was writing to Joe. I mean, the amount of money moving around
00:25:52.240 and there, and we know that there was, I think I've counted 16 or 17 different LLCs and numbered
00:25:58.020 accounts in Biden names. The Clintons didn't have that kind of thing going on. So they, the Clintons
00:26:03.220 were cleaner and by pardoning the whole family, we may not ever get to see where all that money went.
00:26:09.780 But we do see a lot of this, you know, emerge in the investigations that are going on now. And that's
00:26:16.180 where I want to bring the discussion. I believe there is a major conspiracy charge coming that
00:26:23.640 could include Obama, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe, even some of the people who were involved
00:26:31.280 in the Mar-a-Lago raid because they were taking back from Trump, his evidence that, you know,
00:26:37.540 exculpated him and implicated other people in wrongdoing around the Russia hoax. Obama famously
00:26:43.920 has this meeting on December 9th, where he draws these folks together. What do you want to see in,
00:26:48.820 in, uh, the application of criminal law to that enterprise?
00:26:55.280 Well, a lot of people, I mean, you know, are always, I mean, there are people have gotten
00:26:59.840 cynical at this point. They don't think there is justice in this country. Thanks in large part to
00:27:03.720 people like James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Obama, Biden, Clinton, et cetera. They just don't think that-
00:27:07.920 And by the way, I would add Jeff Sessions to that list. If you're blaming people for not applying
00:27:12.000 the law correctly, put failed U.S. Senate candidate Jeff Sessions on the list.
00:27:16.200 Well, let's, let's, let's throw Durham in there too.
00:27:18.680 Sure.
00:27:19.680 Yeah. So, or, uh, Bill Barr, I mean, but also, I mean-
00:27:22.600 By the way, Bo, you had me at Durham too. Like Durham does this big investigation and at the end
00:27:27.740 can't even tell us who the spies were reporting to that were chasing around George Papadopoulos.
00:27:32.320 So I don't think Durham's hands are clean. I don't think Barr's hands are clean, but now there are
00:27:37.800 events that are within the statute of limitations that are under review. I, I think that our, uh,
00:27:43.860 our expectation for a thorough review of the facts and the laws is probably well founded with the
00:27:49.660 current team. Yeah. And so, so when you've got this, I mean, people like not believing that there
00:27:55.140 is justice in America, believing that it is a two tier system. Uh, and when you've got all kinds of,
00:28:00.780 uh, criminality at every level, I mean, from state and local to federal corruption. The one
00:28:06.420 thing, what I really found interesting is when they went after Paul Manafort, uh, wrongly in a
00:28:12.400 lot of ways, I mean, uh, Podesta and his brother had been doing the same thing, but when they threw
00:28:16.640 the book at, uh, Paul Manafort for the Farrah violations, uh, a law that had been violated with
00:28:22.660 impunity by basically everybody, uh, in Washington, nobody's filing Farrah filings on time. Nobody's
00:28:28.760 disclosing all of the things that are required under that. When they threw the book at Paul
00:28:32.860 Manafort and put them in Rikers, Farrah filings skyrocketed. Everybody started following the rules
00:28:38.080 again. And so that's, that's just kind of a, uh, it shows you that like when, when justice is applied,
00:28:43.700 people start following the rules again. So I think it's a long overdue that those who have broken the
00:28:48.460 law face justice. And I think we can start to, uh, heal and, and get people's, uh, you know,
00:28:53.680 expectations of living in a just system, uh, back, back on track. I've had people have different
00:29:00.100 views on this subject. So, so I'll obviously be interested in yours. Can we get justice without
00:29:06.060 criminal charges? There are some of my colleagues in Congress who say, look, if we expose all this,
00:29:11.040 if we create a real nasty deterrent around this with, uh, with the, just the light of, uh, of sunshine
00:29:18.840 in these dark places, nobody will want to do this in the future. Do you think there have to be
00:29:24.220 charges? And if there are charges, do you think there have to be convictions or do indictments
00:29:28.980 function as a sufficient deterrent? I think there absolutely has to be charges. I think,
00:29:33.940 I think president Trump tried it the first time and, and being magnanimous, taking the high road,
00:29:39.220 uh, saying that I know that I promised to lock her up, but I'm not going to do it.
00:29:43.140 Letting the statute of limitations elapse on so many crimes of the Biden, uh, administration,
00:29:48.520 or the Obama administration. Uh, and so he, he took the high road and they threw it in his face
00:29:54.020 and they've only gotten more bold about it. They've only gotten more radical on the left.
00:29:58.280 Now here's, here's where it gets a little dicey about not taking the high road and trying to,
00:30:03.340 um, you know, meet out justice in, uh, in the strongest form possible is if you, if you take a
00:30:10.440 swing and you miss the government party is going to come after everyone. We already saw them do it.
00:30:16.420 I mean, they locked up, uh, you know, not just the January sixers, but so many people close to Trump.
00:30:21.520 Uh, you know, I think I saw over 50 people. I mean, Steve Bannon in various forms,
00:30:26.080 the government party punished them. Trump himself got punished with, uh, charges that were totally
00:30:31.320 ludicrous. And so if you go, if you, you know, it's, it's, it, on the one hand, it's, uh, getting
00:30:37.580 justice. On the other hand, it is a bit of vindication, uh, in vengeance, uh, which people do
00:30:42.120 want to see, but if he doesn't see it through, then it's going to be like twice as hard and
00:30:46.820 everybody's going to jail. Is Congress an appropriate, uh, forum, you know, to resolve
00:30:54.000 some of those misdeeds. And, and I ask this because it did feel good when we had some of
00:31:00.280 these bad guys before us to grill them, ask questions. I think one of the reasons John
00:31:04.260 Brennan has been referred for criminal prosecution is because he lied in a deposition where I was asking
00:31:08.780 him questions. Uh, at the same time, Congress can't lock anybody up. They don't have charging
00:31:14.180 authority. If you were there advising, you know, the, the Jim Jordans and James Comer, James Comers,
00:31:20.880 how would you direct that congressional authority and direction and congressional energy to its maximum
00:31:26.740 effect? I can't tell you how many, you know, on the one hand, it's like, you know, people, uh,
00:31:32.780 talk about sternly worded letters and never getting any accountability, um, from Congress. And it's a lot of,
00:31:38.140 uh, TV moments. On the other hand, I can't tell you like, I mean, Senator Ron Johnson, your work,
00:31:43.700 uh, when you were there, the number of reports and information that you guys are able to get
00:31:48.160 and put out into the public light and shine a spotlight on this stuff. You're able to get
00:31:52.460 documents that we're not able to get. It's amazing. It's amazing what, uh, Congress has been able to
00:31:56.700 produce, uh, whether it's, uh, oversight chair, James Comer, Senator Ron Johnson. I mean, I'm looking at
00:32:02.820 Grassley letters from decades ago in, in productions that are, that are fantastic. So, um, I, I love the
00:32:09.640 work that Congress does and the oversight and investigations capacity. I would say, keep going.
00:32:14.840 Uh, what do you think is underutilized there? Where do you think they need to look more and they
00:32:18.400 haven't yet? Well, it's, and I think about this a lot. I, I don't know, you know better than I do,
00:32:24.840 but the subpoenas, what they, they have to be signed off on by, uh, liberal judges. So that's why
00:32:30.220 it's so hard to, to get them to be complied with. I, I know that the subpoenas, we wish there were
00:32:34.240 more of them, uh, for all kinds of stuff. Um, I also know that, you know, Congress can only do
00:32:39.240 so many things at once and there's so much corruption to uncover. So yeah, I can, I can
00:32:43.920 reveal a little bit about that decision-making because I was frustrated at times when Democrats
00:32:49.340 had the January 6th committee, it was clockwork. Somebody got a letter saying you have 15 days to
00:32:55.560 show up and give us the testimony and documents that we are asking for. And if that did not happen
00:33:01.020 in 15 days on day 16, a subpoena was issued. So you've got to have some accommodation, but with
00:33:07.300 the Democrats, it was like clockwork. I at times was frustrated that with Republicans, you know,
00:33:13.000 we'd send a letter asking and then they'd send a letter back saying, you know, we should have a
00:33:18.020 phone call about this. We'd schedule that for about a week. Yeah. We'd have a phone call. Then we'd
00:33:22.920 decide on the phone call. What we really needed was an in-person meeting. Everybody would get
00:33:26.960 together for a meeting. Well, then at the meeting, we decided what really needs another meeting at
00:33:30.900 another time. And I'm sitting there saying, get these people under compulsory process. Now the,
00:33:36.680 the limiting principle on that is if Congress issues a subpoena, you're absolutely right. The
00:33:41.860 person receiving it could go to a judge in Washington, DC. You don't see a lot of them with
00:33:47.460 MAGA hats in their old Facebook profiles, right? And they have the opportunity to quash that subpoena.
00:33:53.460 But I would argue that Republicans would be way further ahead at getting to the precise factual
00:34:00.100 allegations that you've made in your books and in your reporting. If we would just get to the
00:34:04.820 business of doing it. If we had the same rhythm that the January 6th committee did, we would have
00:34:10.760 the congressional reports that would be validating a lot of the stuff that we saw in Quentin Cash,
00:34:18.040 that we saw in Secret Empires, that we saw in the Controllogarchs books that, that you were involved
00:34:24.280 in. And so that's my urging to my friends in Congress, get the subpoenas out. You know what,
00:34:29.320 if you litigate them, if it doesn't go your way, fine, find another person to send a subpoena to,
00:34:34.680 because there is not a single significant living human whose calendar and email is not on like at least
00:34:40.480 three devices, you know, and, and that I think presents tremendous opportunity. Remember in
00:34:45.800 the January 6th case, it wasn't always the principles that they even got to and flipped
00:34:50.260 and got to take their narrative. It was, it was the low level people like Cassidy Hutchinson,
00:34:55.540 who they were able to make stars through a series of misrepresentations and lies. I do want to get to
00:35:01.960 your more recent work, Seamus. You have really been digging in on the, the Antifa problem we have in
00:35:08.480 this country and the way that the left's street muscle has found its way to some of the most
00:35:15.580 dangerous donors on the radical left. Talk to us for a moment about what you're looking at. What do
00:35:22.140 you think it's going to reveal? Yeah. So, uh, I was at the White House, uh, about 10 days ago,
00:35:28.160 briefing President Trump on, uh, Antifa at the White House round table on Antifa. And the message I
00:35:33.600 wanted to convey to President Trump was yes, Antifa is a story all about violence and in the chaos that
00:35:39.700 they're doing in cities like Portland and Seattle. But I think many people recognize, and I know
00:35:44.660 President Trump does, that it is a story about money. Uh, this is a money story. And so we follow
00:35:50.140 the money. We followed, followed it to the top of the protest industrial complex. We're calling it
00:35:55.240 Riot Inc. And, uh, like many businesses, Riot Inc. doesn't just have the, the foot soldiers, people on
00:36:01.600 the ground. It's got, uh, entire divisions. It's got PR, uh, in, in, uh, communications divisions. Uh,
00:36:08.520 it's got, uh, you know, a very well-funded legal division, uh, that helps get these rioters out of
00:36:14.460 jail as soon as they can and back onto the streets. Uh, and it's got investors. And so we really wanted to
00:36:19.880 focus in on the investors. Uh, and that's of course, George Soros and the Open Society institutes and
00:36:26.100 all of the Soros network money, but it's other things that people haven't heard about. Not, not
00:36:30.300 as many people have heard about like the tides network or, uh, the Ford foundation Ford network
00:36:35.640 or, uh, the Arabella network, which is really cut. People are starting to realize Arabella is 10 times
00:36:41.880 bigger and more powerful in some ways than Soros. Of course, it's funded by Soros primarily, but also,
00:36:47.520 uh, Bill Gates put a bunch of money into the Arabella network, uh, and even foreign money's
00:36:51.940 going in there as well. What are the goals of these donors?
00:36:58.340 Well, they're, I mean, they've, they've all in some ways got their own goals and they're also
00:37:01.840 working in lockstep. So they want, I mean, I, I titled the book control of Garx. I mean,
00:37:06.360 the number one thing that they, the through line that connects them all is they're all kind of
00:37:09.780 control freaks. They want to control every aspect of your life. They want to control what kind of car
00:37:14.240 you can drive, what kind of stove you can have, what kind of temperature you can set your home
00:37:18.400 at. Seriously. Uh, you know, they're working on, uh, you know, via the climate change power grab,
00:37:23.360 all of those things. I think, uh, people are starting to wake up to the climate scam. So,
00:37:27.560 uh, they'll have to recalibrate as they often do, but chaos creates a form of control. I mean,
00:37:32.500 this is why, uh, George Soros likes open borders. He wants to flood the country with different
00:37:38.060 factions, keep us arguing amongst each other. Also why he wants to, uh, jailbreak, uh, as many
00:37:44.000 criminals as possible, uh, and, and put in place these soft on crime prosecutors. It all creates
00:37:49.700 this, this stew of kind of a chaos that keeps Americans arguing with each other and screaming
00:37:55.320 about no Kings or whatever, uh, and, and, and making funny videos that are really not all that funny.
00:38:00.920 Um, uh, rather than focusing on people like him. Chaos is a form of control. Uh, folks, I think we've
00:38:09.240 got our title for the episode. Seamus just gave right there because it is so true. Now, if, if what
00:38:14.400 you've just described is the archetype of the investor, bring me to the archetype of the street
00:38:20.000 muscle. Who are these people? Are, are they, uh, paid riders? Do they have regular jobs? Do I have to
00:38:27.280 worry that like late at night, my dentist is secretly in Antifa? I mean, actually you might
00:38:33.480 have to, uh, worry about it. Well, no dentists are probably fine, but, uh, you know, certainly
00:38:37.900 the teachers that might live nearby. I mean, the, the, it's a staggering number of teachers. I mean,
00:38:43.140 you had this one who was pantomiming, uh, Charlie Kirk's assassination. And so while it's plenty of
00:38:48.820 memes have been made, this is really sick stuff. So, uh, no, not every protester is paid. A lot of
00:38:54.100 them ruined their Saturday of an otherwise beautiful Saturday for free. Um, but then there
00:38:59.620 are thousands, thousands and thousands of paid professional organizers, professional protest
00:39:06.300 groups. There's companies that, uh, like dial a crowd, you know, dial a crowd companies. I mean,
00:39:12.220 I don't, I wouldn't say that the whole thing is that or even a significant portion, but again,
00:39:16.520 there's this entire ecosystem and these groups, I mean, the list, we have thousands of grants going
00:39:23.000 to these groups and dozens, hundreds. I mean, there's over 200 official no Kings partners and,
00:39:29.240 uh, organizers on its website. I mean, just a staggering number. So you've got things like
00:39:33.600 the ACLU, 50, 51, 350.org. Uh, and then like there's other ones, dream defenders, the ruckus
00:39:40.820 society. We mapped out every single one of these, uh, professional protest organizations came up with a
00:39:46.860 number. And this is a conservative estimate, $294 million, according to the latest IRS 990
00:39:53.820 documents. Uh, and, and, and again, that's conservative. I mean, if you bring in even more
00:39:58.940 groups, uh, with, you know, like we're just mapping the Arabella Soros, Tides, Rockefeller,
00:40:04.740 uh, and, uh, Singham networks. But there's like, you know, there's the, the Packard foundation,
00:40:09.800 there's, uh, the Mark McArthur foundation. There's all these billion, uh, billion dollar foundations
00:40:14.920 out there that are also funding these groups. So again, two 94 millions, uh, on the low end,
00:40:20.500 if you brought in every left-wing funding network, you'd have, uh, over a billion dollars,
00:40:25.340 I'm sure. And when you're able to lash resources like that to people who are willing to do harm,
00:40:30.020 it can become very violent and very dangerous for the country. We certainly saw that during the
00:40:34.900 George Floyd riots, and we seem to be seeing an effort to reignite that. And there are folks who
00:40:40.720 would say, I'm not violent. I'm not Antifa. I went to my local, no Kings rally to hang out with
00:40:47.560 my boomer friends and catch a little pickleball afterwards. Uh, but, uh, I wonder whether or not
00:40:54.580 the worst features of Antifa use those gatherings, those bigger gatherings like no Kings for recruitment.
00:41:02.060 What have you learned about how Antifa recruits people to become violent?
00:41:07.500 Oh, absolutely. Antifa is extremely well organized. Uh, and so you're, you're a hundred percent right
00:41:14.000 recruitment for sure. Uh, it's also a way to gather, uh, you know, very both for Antifa and
00:41:20.440 for the democratic party. I mean, this is a huge pre 2026, uh, mobilization effort to get all the
00:41:26.780 numbers and the text messages and start, uh, getting cash from, uh, people who are fired up, uh, segmenting
00:41:32.800 and doing kind of market analysis on who's the most fired up. But as far as Antifa, uh, definitely
00:41:38.040 a recruiting area, the type of people are Antifa are pretty disturbed individuals. Um, I think they
00:41:43.740 were radicalized a long time ago. Many of them, uh, usually through the school system, they probably
00:41:48.380 had a teacher like the one you saw, uh, uh, my pantomiming a Charlie Kirk assassination. Um, and so,
00:41:54.740 uh, yeah, recruitment, uh, Antifa, by the way, they're going to, I mean, as this crackdown continues,
00:42:00.220 uh, thank goodness that the, uh, the judge is allowing the national guard into Portland. I'm
00:42:05.380 talking to reporters on the ground there. It's still chaotic days after no kids basically been
00:42:11.480 like one long riot running for months outside this ice facility there. Um, once the crackdown
00:42:18.220 really happens and we're already seeing signs of it, they're going to drop the Antifa label.
00:42:21.780 Uh, they're calling them anti, they're calling themselves anti-authoritarian, uh, ism now like
00:42:26.480 anti-auth or something. Uh, so they'll change the name. They'll call it a mutual aid, like Rose City
00:42:31.660 Antifa. It's now Rose City, like mutual aid or, you know, they, they, they dropped the Antifa,
00:42:36.620 but they are still extremely well organized. They're networked. They've got all kinds of, you know,
00:42:41.620 they use all the encrypted messaging apps, uh, all of these decentralized funding platforms. Uh,
00:42:47.040 there's, there's a couple that we've sent to the FBI to look into. Uh, and so,
00:42:51.780 yeah, no Kings is definitely a recruiting ground. And it's also kind of like a place to like hide
00:42:57.260 out, um, and like hide out amongst the boomers and then create chaos in, you know, the cities
00:43:02.400 that are usual hotspots. Hiding out amongst the boomers is how I've spent most of my life in
00:43:06.820 Florida, but for a very different purpose than like throwing a Molotov cocktail at an ice facility.
00:43:11.420 I wonder, I wonder how violent this could get and how high the acuity could get. You know,
00:43:16.640 if we look back at the summer of 2020 as an example of a tragic, people were killed, uh, law enforcement
00:43:23.160 killed, uh, federal property destroyed, but you saw a lot of the Molotov cocktail approach to
00:43:30.420 violence. Um, you know, not mass casualty events. If unchecked, does Antifa have the capability
00:43:38.880 to create more mass casualty events in our country? Oh, absolutely. I mean, right after the,
00:43:46.440 the Charlie Kirk assassination, we looked into this group called armed queers of Salt Lake City.
00:43:52.140 And, uh, you know, there were reports that it was under investigation for connection. Uh, at this time,
00:43:56.880 there's no evidence that they were, but what we found out about armed queers of Salt Lake City is
00:44:01.340 it's this, this gun club of, you know, I've seen pictures of 30 or so of them with, uh, you know,
00:44:06.300 high, high powered rifles, which were, were totally in fans of the second amendment. Don't want
00:44:11.460 anybody's second amendment rights to be curtailed at all. That's not a sign of anything. What was
00:44:15.940 really damning though, is that they all flew down to Cuba and got this Marxist revolutionary training
00:44:22.200 funded by Neville Roy Singham, the, the, the, the billionaire living over in China, who's funding
00:44:27.320 the people's forum, which funds like, you know, the party of socialism and liberation and all of these
00:44:32.320 other code pink, uh, like really, really radical organizations. They bring down, they brought down
00:44:38.500 over 700, uh, various groups, BLM armed queers of Salt Lake City, et cetera, down to Cuba to get
00:44:46.400 revolutionary training on how to overthrow government. They put on their sub stack quite openly on the
00:44:51.640 armed queer sub stack. I think the post has been scrubbed, but we archived it that their goal is to
00:44:56.440 overthrow the United States of America. And so, uh, this is like insurrection or, you know, there's got to be a
00:45:02.120 charge for that kind of thing. Um, the fact that they're training and they actually get former
00:45:06.560 Marines who've, or, you know, various, you know, uh, us service members who are experts in weaponry
00:45:13.360 have been trained on our tax dollars who have become radicalized somehow, uh, are now training these
00:45:18.820 groups. And, uh, you know, uh, one that the, uh, armed queers of Salt Lake City was partnered with,
00:45:23.720 uh, did a training with is called the John Brown gun club of Elm Fork. Well, one of its members,
00:45:29.260 uh, shot an ice officer in Alvarado, Texas. So, uh, thankfully the ice officer survived,
00:45:35.220 but he easily could have died. Then you had the recent, more recent attack on the ice facility
00:45:39.820 in Texas. Uh, you've got, I mean, the, the, the political violence is escalating with that much
00:45:45.800 we know. And when you've got, uh, people who are training by the dozens with, uh, you know,
00:45:51.400 people who are experts in, uh, overthrowing governments, experts in Marxist revolutionary
00:45:56.700 rhetoric and recruitment and, uh, also gun experts, it's a recipe for disaster. And then one last
00:46:03.520 thing is that, you know, you'd think that the, the democratic party, the progressive, uh, elites
00:46:08.840 would, well, I don't know if you'd think it, but you'd expect that they say, you know what,
00:46:12.900 it's not okay to kill, uh, your political opponents, but just look at Jay Jones, the candidate
00:46:17.500 for attorney general in Virginia. He says he wants to put two bullets in his opponent's head
00:46:22.500 and you've got the entire democratic establishment circling the wagon saying, oh, well, you know,
00:46:27.000 it's just a joke or something right in the wake of Charlie Kirk. So it's not a joke. Uh, I think
00:46:31.720 the, uh, the investors in riot Inc should disavow publicly, uh, all of the members of the, uh, no
00:46:38.420 Kings movement that were saying that Donald Trump should have been shot. If only the bullet had been
00:46:42.320 just a little to the right, uh, and other sick stuff, uh, you know, just really, really, uh,
00:46:48.060 yeah, I think normal people are really shocked that now it's all on camera. You're seeing that
00:46:52.600 your teachers are celebrating, uh, that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. I think, uh, there's been a big
00:46:58.720 shift here since Charlie Kirk's assassination. When you briefed president Trump, he wanted that to be
00:47:05.680 public. He had a lot of people in, he took in a lot of information. He could have had that as a
00:47:10.580 private as a private briefing, but I think he wanted to send the message to some of these violent
00:47:15.580 leftists, but this is a government focused on, on this challenge. And on this problem,
00:47:20.240 we saw, uh, deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche take a leading role in ensuring that there was
00:47:25.640 this designation of Antifa as a terrorist group. You've pointed out how they've kind of gone DEI on
00:47:30.740 that. I like everything that was DEI now exists under another sort of DEI ish name. You've described how
00:47:37.540 Antifa is going to play that game, but do you think that they fear the Trump administration?
00:47:41.800 Do you think that these violent leftists understand what they could be up against?
00:47:46.920 Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you've seen the video of one of these Antifa guys,
00:47:49.700 I think it's in Portland or Seattle who gets caught and he is, uh, shaking like a leaf.
00:47:54.100 They're very tough under their masks, but the minute that they get busted and, uh, I mean,
00:47:58.360 they are crying, uh, crying about, uh, so I think, I think they are, you know, when they're in a group
00:48:04.080 and you get this mob psychology going, I think they're emboldened. And then all of a sudden
00:48:07.440 reality smacks them in the face and they're rolling, they're rolling on a cart into a cell.
00:48:12.140 And, uh, you know, that you get this, uh, you know, I think, I think underneath it all,
00:48:15.720 they're, they're actually, uh, scared even if they don't know it yet.
00:48:18.580 Well, let's hope that that fear changes behavior because going after these groups,
00:48:23.760 following the money trail, as you've laid out, it's going to be a lot of work. And if we can just
00:48:27.560 scare them into not wanting to hurt anybody, that probably would be all for the best.
00:48:31.880 Seamus, how can folks continue to follow your work and your journalism as you stay on this
00:48:36.940 really important case? Thanks, Matt. Uh, I'm at Seamus Bruner on all platforms, S E A M U S
00:48:43.980 B R U N E R. Uh, Twitter is where I spend most of my, I post most of the stuff. We've got a website
00:48:49.920 where we put our investigations, the drill down.com, the drill down.com Schweitzer's got the Schweitzer
00:48:56.620 drill down podcast. And, uh, yeah, that's where you can find all our stuff. Well, we love being
00:49:02.320 able to follow all the, the great research you're doing. Love having you as a guest here on one
00:49:07.200 American news and on the Mac Gates show and look forward to following up with you soon and seeing
00:49:11.000 how it's all going. Seamus Bruner, always a pleasure. Thanks, Matt. A lot of fun. Are you ready
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