The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show Episode 73 - The Miracle of Life w⧸ Kristan Hawkins

00:00:00.000 Now, it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Dan Ball.

00:00:25.760 Welcome back to another episode of the Anchorman Show.

00:00:28.420 I'm Matt Gaetz, host of the Matt Gaetz Show here on One America News.

00:00:32.200 And in this episode of Anchorman, we're going to get into an issue that has really been

00:00:36.580 a wedge point in American politics for the better part of a generation.

00:00:41.100 It's the issue of abortion.

00:00:43.160 And we have one of the inspiring young activists who's fighting for the cause for life among

00:00:48.560 a generation who needs to hear this message.

00:00:51.100 She's taking it to the belly of the beast in Southern California and around the country.

00:00:55.220 Welcome to Anchorman, Kristen Hawkins, the president of Students for Life and Students

00:01:00.020 for Life Action.

00:01:00.880 Appreciate you being here with me.

00:01:02.620 Maybe start by telling us a little bit about yourself, where you grew up, and what brought

00:01:06.600 you to the pro-life movement.

00:01:08.160 Sure.

00:01:08.480 Thanks for having me, Matt.

00:01:09.320 This is exciting to be here in your all's neck of the woods in Southern California today.

00:01:14.720 I got started in the pro-life movement simply because I was asked if I wanted to volunteer

00:01:19.660 for a local pregnancy resource center when I was 15 in the Ohio Valley.

00:01:25.540 I grew up in Northern West Virginia outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

00:01:29.960 And, you know, I was strong in my faith.

00:01:32.680 I was raised, you know, well, I would say, in my evangelical church Sunday morning, Sunday

00:01:37.360 night, Wednesday, and sometimes Saturday nights.

00:01:40.120 But we didn't really talk about abortion too much.

00:01:42.980 And it wasn't really until I had that opportunity to go to this pregnancy center at 15 years

00:01:49.920 old to be trained and invested in to really be able to sit down couch to couch with women

00:01:57.320 who are coming into the center thinking abortion was their only option.

00:02:01.520 That's really where I learned what was happening inside of Planned Parenthood and other abortion

00:02:06.840 facilities every day.

00:02:07.760 But then I also not only learned about the violence, but also about the lies that were

00:02:13.080 being told and force-fed to this generation of women who believed abortion was their only 0.97

00:02:19.780 way out or their only option.

00:02:22.060 And from there, I launched a pro-life group at my high school and my college and got involved

00:02:27.140 in the local Republican clubs.

00:02:30.140 I was the youngest person there by, you know, four decades.

00:02:32.680 And that's what started everything and why I launched Students for Life 19 and a half

00:02:38.640 years ago, to really go right where young people are being sold the lies about abortion,

00:02:44.280 where they're being directly targeted by the abortion industry, and to tell them the truth,

00:02:49.080 tell them the truth about the violence of abortion, how it's killing this innocent child, another 0.75

00:02:54.720 member of our human species, as this act of oppression and discrimination.

00:02:59.520 But also to warn her that there's a better way and to not fall for the lies of the feminist 1.00

00:03:06.860 movement that so many of us, especially in my generation, were told that abortion was

00:03:12.980 this thing we had to do.

00:03:14.500 It was kind of a part of growing up, is choosing abortion, even if you didn't want to choose

00:03:19.980 it, because that's the only way for you to succeed in life.

00:03:23.560 And that's just blatantly false.

00:03:25.520 I can't wait to get into the politics and the law and the policy that is emerging from

00:03:35.420 varying states on all these questions.

00:03:37.560 But I really want to get to that moment when you start Students for Life.

00:03:42.820 What kind of reaction did you get?

00:03:44.860 And who were some of the people who were interested in working alongside you for that cause?

00:03:49.440 Sure.

00:03:50.500 Well, you know, because of my interest in the political world that stemmed from my pro-life

00:03:57.620 work, I ended up working for President Bush's re-election campaign in 2004.

00:04:03.020 And that's what led me to the Republican National Committee.

00:04:06.040 In Washington, D.C., as you know, it's a pretty small town.

00:04:08.900 I was known as the pro-life girl.

00:04:11.260 And a friend of mine had approached me who I'd worked with the campaign and said, you know,

00:04:15.140 I met some young college students, and they have a pro-life, you know, organization.

00:04:20.120 They want to go and they want to spread this message.

00:04:22.820 And we know you're the pro-life girl.

00:04:24.740 Would you talk to them?

00:04:25.640 And that's really where I launched Students for Life.

00:04:27.640 I had just turned 21.

00:04:29.380 I was a newlywed.

00:04:31.240 And I, you know, I thought I wanted to go and get my Ph.D.

00:04:35.620 and to go to graduate school.

00:04:37.300 And everything changed because I was given this incredible opportunity to launch a pro-life

00:04:42.840 organization, a national pro-life organization.

00:04:45.700 And, you know, I would like to say it was easy.

00:04:48.080 It was definitely not.

00:04:49.420 I'd like to say that people thought we would be successful.

00:04:51.820 They definitely did not think so.

00:04:53.160 I got a lot of job offers in those first few years of people saying, this is great.

00:04:58.900 You're so cute.

00:05:00.060 I love your passion, energy.

00:05:01.620 Come see me when you run out of money.

00:05:04.040 We'll make sure you have a job here somewhere in Washington.

00:05:08.240 A lot of folks truly did not believe that it would work.

00:05:13.180 Going to college campuses, educating young women and men about abortion would work. 0.98

00:05:17.640 And that we would be able to inspire this army.

00:05:19.960 I mean, today we're on over 1,600 college and high school campuses across the country.

00:05:25.460 More than 50% of our four-year schools have a Students for Life group.

00:05:30.040 More than 50% of Catholic diocesan high schools have a Students for Life group.

00:05:34.580 And we continue to grow.

00:05:36.840 But a lot of folks didn't think it would be possible.

00:05:39.140 But if you know your social movement history, you know you have to have the largest, the most well-trained army, grassroots army, in order to win.

00:05:49.360 No social movement is victorious without that.

00:05:52.400 And when you look at social movement history, it's always the young people leading the charge.

00:05:59.720 It's so true that the movement has been a successful one since you started 19 years ago.

00:06:05.500 Certainly there's more work to do.

00:06:07.900 But monumental successes in the overturning of Roe that I didn't think or I certainly didn't know we would see in our lifetime.

00:06:15.760 And I want to get to the impact that's had.

00:06:19.160 But maybe as you talk about the build-out of what you've done, what is driving the interest in membership?

00:06:25.500 Like what is bringing young people in to say yes?

00:06:27.940 Of all the causes, of all of the political groups I could be a part of, Students for Life is something that I'm going to dedicate my time to.

00:06:35.760 Yeah, it is interesting.

00:06:37.180 You have this competitiveness, right, with Turning Point and college Republicans.

00:06:41.780 But not so much anymore.

00:06:43.020 I think the campus conservative movement is very united.

00:06:46.780 I'm honored that we have so many Turning Point groups co-hosting with Students for Life and vice versa.

00:06:51.740 And it's really been great to see the movement on campuses understand that we have to be united.

00:06:57.600 But I definitely think that when it comes to the issue of abortion, this is a generation that has seen their brothers and sisters via ultrasound, right?

00:07:09.020 So the tired 1970s talking points of, it's just a clump of cells.

00:07:14.260 It's nothing.

00:07:15.340 That doesn't work, right?

00:07:16.220 If you're an intellectually honest person, you understand that what's inside of that mother, even though you may think that they're inconvenient or they're small, definitely is a human being.

00:07:27.660 So we've definitely seen that change.

00:07:31.780 We've also seen this sense of injustice, right?

00:07:34.880 This is a generation that has seen in real time transformational change happen because they were the ones who led it.

00:07:43.760 And when we talk to young people on campuses, I'm talking to them about human rights.

00:07:49.700 I'm talking to them about oppression and discrimination.

00:07:52.240 I'm using words that they hear and they're talking about on their own.

00:07:57.780 And I'm applying those words to the greatest human rights tragedy, which is the abortion, the killing of these tiny, innocent humans.

00:08:07.040 And it kind of makes them stop in their tracks, right?

00:08:10.860 It's not something they're used to hearing.

00:08:12.400 You know, I even sometimes talk to students about feminism, of what is feminism to you, especially these young women who, as we saw with the polls in this election this week, are so lost. 1.00

00:08:26.700 And, you know, what they think of feminism, I think I talked to them, I said, you know, who tells you, who is telling you that you have to choose abortion?

00:08:36.340 Who's telling you that you're not strong enough to become a mother and stay in school or achieve your career goals?

00:08:42.880 Because you're not hearing that from the pro-life movement.

00:08:45.040 We're actually the ones who are willing to stand alongside of you, help you choose both your life and your child's life, which will be, by the way, the best for your child.

00:08:53.960 Because if you graduate college, a child born into poverty is seven times more likely to live in poverty his whole life.

00:09:00.340 So we want you to succeed.

00:09:01.960 But who is feeding you these lies?

00:09:03.920 Because don't you think that's the opposite of feminism, telling you that you can't, that there's this whole industry that's literally profiting off of your despair, off of your hopelessness, and telling you you're not strong enough?

00:09:15.360 Why would you fall for those lies?

00:09:17.460 And so when you can have that conversation with them, it starts to really turn heads and it gets them to get their ear pods out of their ears and to have a real conversation.

00:09:27.000 I wish I could animate the conversations I have on campuses, you know, because you could see, like, the proverbial head explode over some of these students when you're having these conversations with them.

00:09:36.920 But I love that because I have this opportunity to plant those seeds of doubt for them to really start reevaluating all that they've heard.

00:09:45.360 Well, and it's so brilliant that you're able to frame the pro-life movement as the movement of empowerment.

00:09:53.340 I think all young people want to be empowered regardless of their politics.

00:09:57.480 Some people believe that empowerment comes through limited government.

00:10:00.880 Some people believe it comes through endless entitlements.

00:10:03.760 But I could tell you just as a new parent, parenting is awesome.

00:10:07.200 It is empowering.

00:10:08.120 It shows you the strain and the limits and the investment of human potential.

00:10:14.660 And for you to say that the pro-life movement is there for the full range of those truly human and exquisite experiences, I think that does critique neo-feminism in a very clever way.

00:10:28.100 And I could see that drawing people in as folks are trying to find their ideology in themselves and enduring the challenges that come with an unplanned pregnancy.

00:10:37.360 I am fascinated to hear more about your time as even a teenager counseling others who are going through some of these moments.

00:10:46.260 I know you have to anonymize them and not give out anyone's information.

00:10:49.900 But were there stories or experiences from your time giving that counsel that really sharpened your belief system in this space?

00:10:58.240 Absolutely.

00:10:58.960 Because, you know, today I was at San Diego State, and that's why I'm sunburned.

00:11:03.980 My Idaho skin wasn't used to this.

00:11:06.600 But it was interesting because you have this conversation about abortion.

00:11:10.240 And it's always, you know, I could just put it on the whiteboard how the conversation is going to go.

00:11:14.600 It might start here.

00:11:15.620 It's going to go here.

00:11:16.640 They're going to bring up rape. 1.00

00:11:17.660 They're going to bring up this.

00:11:19.080 And, you know, I'm going to prove to them it's a human being.

00:11:21.480 Then we're going to talk about why human beings have value and what happens when you disorder the natural law and human rights.

00:11:27.920 And then they're going to bring up foster care. 0.95

00:11:29.960 You know, it's very, it doesn't matter where I'm at.

00:11:31.940 If I'm at Harvard, Berkeley, the community college, public high school, it doesn't matter.

00:11:36.240 These are the same arguments.

00:11:37.960 But the argument we always, it always comes down to is, you know, after you've had the science argument,

00:11:43.260 after you've had a philosophical argument, it's always a circumstantial argument.

00:11:48.240 Right.

00:11:48.500 What about this woman? 0.80

00:11:50.060 What about this circumstance?

00:11:52.340 Yes.

00:11:52.660 And I think that time I spent the four or five years I spent volunteering at the pregnancy center

00:11:58.080 really prepared me for these conversations because I can see in my mind's eye the faces of the young women that I counseled.

00:12:08.520 Many of the women that were coming into the pregnancy center were actually older than me when I had the opportunity to sit down and counsel with them. 1.00

00:12:15.920 And there was one woman I remember who, she was going to choose abortion. 1.00

00:12:20.560 She was pregnant.

00:12:21.160 She had already had a baby, which is, you know, in many states now, that's the norm.

00:12:26.060 The majority of women seeking abortions actually are already parents. 0.98

00:12:29.140 So they already have experienced life.

00:12:32.140 They've already felt their baby kicking within them.

00:12:34.380 These are very desperate women who are choosing abortion despite knowing it's truly a human life. 1.00

00:12:40.960 It's truly alive.

00:12:41.920 But she was going through not, she was going through a hard time, right?

00:12:48.760 She was separated from her family.

00:12:52.140 She hadn't finished high school.

00:12:54.100 And she was living with her abusive boyfriend.

00:12:58.300 And when the abusive boyfriend demanded she have an abortion or he was going to cut her and her two-year-old off from financial support,

00:13:06.180 what was she going to do?

00:13:08.560 And, you know, you think about all the excuses we hear about abortion.

00:13:13.480 Women need abortion because they're poor and how they're going to get out of poverty. 1.00

00:13:17.580 A lot of these women are in these abusive relationships. 1.00

00:13:21.580 And one of the things that, you know, she had, this woman had already had an abortion before. 0.95

00:13:26.380 Abortion kept her in the abusive relationship.

00:13:30.020 Like, it wasn't curing the abuse.

00:13:32.440 It was keeping her in the abusive relationship.

00:13:35.460 And that's what we see time and time again now with, like, chemical abortion pills flooding into the pro-life red states, right?

00:13:42.260 In states like Texas, where pills from here in California, Illinois, New York are legally flowing into these states.

00:13:49.220 Anyone can order chemical abortion pills, Matt.

00:13:52.340 Like, a sex abuser, a rapist, can order chemical abortion pills in about three minutes online.

00:13:59.020 And they are shipped anywhere you want in the country. 0.98

00:14:02.140 No one is stopping this.

00:14:03.320 Even though it's violating state law.

00:14:04.860 Even though it's violating Federal Comstock Act.

00:14:07.340 And you're keeping the abuse going.

00:14:11.600 And that's what abortion does. 1.00

00:14:12.900 Abortion enables abusers.

00:14:15.380 Chemical abortion is sex abuser's dream drug at this point.

00:14:21.120 Well, and it is interesting that abortion is often presented as a false remedy.

00:14:26.960 Yeah.

00:14:27.120 That if you just have this abortion, it creates this externality that solves another problem.

00:14:33.240 And I think some of the valuable counseling that pro-life groups do show other remedies that aren't the killing of a baby, but that can help you.

00:14:41.580 And by the way, if you think it's going to be a remedy and it's not, you're going to kill the baby and you're still going to have that problem that you need to deal with in your life.

00:14:49.380 When you've seen circumstances where someone goes from wanting to have that abortion to wanting to have the baby, is there like a number one thing or a group of things that you can honestly say are effective at changing minds and changing hearts?

00:15:06.400 I don't know if it's necessarily one thing when you're talking to a woman who's in an unplanned or crisis pregnancy situation.

00:15:14.200 I think the number one thing that I've seen, and my first book, I interviewed these women who were in these circumstances.

00:15:24.040 The difference between a young girl who chooses life and chooses abortion is that she found one person to tell her she didn't have to do it.

00:15:32.680 Because here's the deal.

00:15:34.020 And as humans, right, it's written on our heart that killing a baby is wrong.

00:15:40.100 You know, little kids, my children.

00:15:41.900 When I had to describe what abortion was to them, they were aghast.

00:15:46.760 Like, what?

00:15:47.780 Why would anyone do this?

00:15:49.060 And then you have to try to explain to them why would someone choose abortion.

00:15:52.940 When we're children, when we hear about abortion, we are shocked and saddened because we already know it's a baby.

00:16:01.900 And so when you think about these women in these crisis situations, it's often just being the one person because she doesn't want to have the abortion.

00:16:10.100 But society is telling her to be a responsible person.

00:16:14.980 You know, this is the responsible decision to make.

00:16:17.960 Maybe her boyfriend or her husband or partner are telling her to have the abortion. 0.97

00:16:21.460 Maybe it's her parents.

00:16:22.820 She just needs one person.

00:16:24.480 And so I can't tell you.

00:16:25.400 I had one of our Students for Life groups.

00:16:27.540 They were one of our first groups that launched a scholarship, a pregnant parenting scholarship fund on a college campus.

00:16:34.500 And I remember after they had launched it, they had pimped out their group to work at the campus basketball games all year round to raise money to start a scholarship fund.

00:16:43.620 And they advertised it on campus, a scholarship fund, and it was like $250.

00:16:48.940 And I was talking to their campus administrator, and he was telling me that a woman had applied for the scholarship, and they met with her, and they were meeting with all these applicants.

00:16:58.500 And she said she had chosen life the previous semester because she saw the scholarship fund being advertised.

00:17:04.980 She didn't know how much it was.

00:17:06.580 And honestly, the amount it was, like $250, like that's what, two months' worth of diapers at this point?

00:17:12.860 It wasn't the amount.

00:17:14.500 It was that somebody on her campus was telling her they cared about her.

00:17:20.100 And, you know, you make such an interesting point about what drives people to the point of seeking an abortion is often external pressure.

00:17:28.560 And so an easy release valve for that is to create external comfort, to create care, to create love around this person.

00:17:36.220 And in the hopes that they will choose a path that will allow them to experience some of the greatest love that a human being can experience, and that's through parenthood.

00:17:45.140 I want to talk about the relationship between abortion and race.

00:17:50.440 We know that the founder of Planned Parenthood had deeply racist views and wanted to see the extermination of African Americans.

00:17:58.600 And we see a lot of abortion clinics emerge in low-income communities and minority communities.

00:18:04.680 Is abortion a path to black genocide in America? 0.93

00:18:09.300 Absolutely.

00:18:10.520 And, you know, it's funny how God can take things that you don't like or appreciate and use them for good.

00:18:16.820 I was on campus today, and there was two African-American girls there who were very pro-choice and were biting their tongues, waiting to talk to me. 1.00

00:18:23.740 And both of them said, well, yeah, Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist. 0.91

00:18:29.020 She was a racist. 1.00

00:18:30.200 And I was like, oh, please elaborate.

00:18:32.500 Please explain to all your pro-choice friends what you just said.

00:18:35.120 Because, you know, when we started Students for Life talking about Margaret Sanger and the founder of Planned Parenthood,

00:18:41.960 about how the founder of Planned Parenthood literally wrote and spoke openly that certain breeds and stocks shouldn't be allowed to reproduce,

00:18:50.240 we were, like, dismissed as, like, these crazy conspiracy theorists.

00:18:55.200 And since the Black Lives Matter movement, actually, Planned Parenthood has come out and has actually openly admitted that Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist.

00:19:04.280 In fact, you could, you used to be able to go to NYU's website, and they had a Margaret Sanger Center where you could read all of Margaret Sanger's insane writings.

00:19:13.020 That's stripped.

00:19:13.800 You have to now go in person if you want her archives.

00:19:16.400 You can't get them online. 0.87

00:19:17.560 I mean, she truly believed that people like my great-grandmother, who was a bastard born in a workhouse in Ireland, 0.93

00:19:28.140 who was shipped to the United States before she was even 18, came by herself, 0.96

00:19:32.420 that people like my great-grandmother should have been sterilized because these were these poor immigrants who were ruining New York City, right? 1.00

00:19:41.800 And that's the time that she lived in.

00:19:44.260 She was friends with a gentleman, Lothrop Stockard, who actually served, Stockard, who served on her first board of the American Birth Control League,

00:19:54.600 and it was on her paper, who actually famously debated W.E.B. Du Bois, wrote The Rising Tide of Color, who conspired with known Nazis.

00:20:06.120 That was the founding of Planned Parenthood, and today you'll hear Planned Parenthood say, well, we disavow Margaret Sanger.

00:20:12.340 We're no longer giving, you know, like Kelly Clinton and all these others got the Margaret Sanger Award back in the day.

00:20:17.320 We don't do that anymore.

00:20:18.660 We've disavowed her.

00:20:19.520 They shut down the Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood Center in Manhattan just this year.

00:20:24.800 Funny how all these Planned Parenthoods keep shutting down in blue states, but it's all the red states that apparently are harming women's health care. 0.99

00:20:30.860 But they haven't disavowed her because the fact is what you just brought up is nearly 90% of Planned Parenthoods are located in urban minority walkable neighborhoods.

00:20:42.100 90%.

00:20:42.580 Still to this day.

00:20:44.220 Still to this day.

00:20:45.880 That is how their business model is set up is to prey on poor minority women. 1.00

00:20:52.500 And it's crazy, too, because if you think about it, I was debating these students today talking about fairly qualified health centers.

00:20:58.720 I was like, why would you even go to a Planned Parenthood?

00:21:01.420 They were founded by a racist.

00:21:03.080 You all have now admitted it.

00:21:04.540 We know they're targeting based on race where they locate.

00:21:09.500 We know we have more than 16,000 fairly qualified health center service locations out there country that our Department of Health and Human Services already funds.

00:21:18.800 There are actual true nonprofits that aren't the biggest political lobbyists in Washington, D.C., operating PACs that serve patients at a third of the cost of Planned Parenthood, that offer every service that Planned Parenthood offers, minus abortion, plus a whole list more, and legally obligated to help you get to health care, even help you find transportation to health care if they don't offer it.

00:21:42.040 Why would anyone still support Planned Parenthood?

00:21:45.520 Like, it doesn't make any financial sense.

00:21:48.040 It doesn't make any business sense.

00:21:50.060 Time and time again, we've seen all the terrible things they've done from offering to sell baby body parts.

00:21:56.060 I mean, they illegally took COVID paycheck protection money, and they should be debarred immediately from the federal government.

00:22:01.800 I mean, the laundry list is deep of all of the grievances and sins of Planned Parenthood.

00:22:07.580 That was quite the bill of indictment.

00:22:12.660 We are here with Kristen Hawkins, the president of Students for Life and Students for Life Action, and we'll be back in just a moment.

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00:23:02.120 We're back with Kristen Hawkins, the president of Students for Life and Students for Life Action.

00:23:06.780 Kristen, take a moment and explain what you're doing at San Diego State today and how students reacted.

00:23:12.000 Today, I was there at San Diego State for my campus speaking tour, tabling, talking to students about why all human life matters, and starting conversations.

00:23:21.580 Changing minds, changing minds, hopefully, planting seeds of doubt about the abortion industry in the minds of hundreds of students who stopped by.

00:23:30.420 The school stopped us from using sound amplification at the last moment, so my voice is pretty raw.

00:23:36.740 But I think it carried pretty far.

00:23:38.720 I'm certain it did, and sometimes even more when you have to play against those dirty tricks.

00:23:46.420 I've had a few of those played against me in the past.

00:23:48.980 I want to get to what this movement looks like post-Roe, because so many of the March for Life events, so many of the pro-life groups really looked to the reversal, the overturning of Roe v. Wade as an organizing objective.

00:24:04.100 Now that that has happened, there have been some in the movement who say, well, we've sort of done what we intended to do, and activists go on to other things and choose other causes.

00:24:14.720 How would you respond to the observation that maybe the pro-life movement is deflated a little bit after having prevailed in the principal question before us?

00:24:24.020 Yeah, if you're a pro-life activist and you've been deflated, then you didn't really understand the battle, right?

00:24:29.720 Because think about the book of Joshua, when the Israelites enter the promised land, and they have this great victory at Jericho.

00:24:38.520 That wasn't the end of the book.

00:24:40.600 That was the beginning of the book.

00:24:42.300 There was city after city after city that the Israelites had to take in order to conquer the promised land. 0.93

00:24:49.420 And I think that's where we're at.

00:24:51.380 Jericho's walls have fallen, but there's a lot of cities we still have to win, and we have to defeat.

00:24:58.400 And that's really where we've always said at Students for Life, and when I launched Students for Life 19 years ago, I always talked about us being the post-Rowe organization,

00:25:09.380 understanding that the moment Rowe fell, we would need to be ready in every single state.

00:25:14.740 I was always stress testing the system, right, of mobilizing our students, how quickly and how many students could I mobilize to a state capital, for example,

00:25:22.480 in the years leading up to Rowe's reversal, because that's exactly what had to happen.

00:25:27.020 We had to rush to several state capitals to finalize pro-life legislation, and now we continue to do that.

00:25:32.980 That's why we're in all 50 states.

00:25:35.220 But this is really just the beginning of the end of abortion.

00:25:39.300 Rowe was this stranglehold, right, that said, written in the Constitution, on the sides of the Constitution,

00:25:45.480 in the Visible Inc., there was somehow this right to kill a child, and to kill your child.

00:25:50.800 And when that was gone, it said, now the people and its representatives, so Dobbs said, the people and its representatives now get to decide.

00:25:58.460 And that's state legislatures and the U.S. governments, not just one or the other, President Trump, if you're watching right now.

00:26:05.440 It's both, and we have to be involved, both at the federal and the state level, because guess what?

00:26:12.560 Abortion's federal if we're paying for it, and we've been paying it for decades with our federal taxpayer dollars.

00:26:18.400 We're paying with our state taxpayer dollars.

00:26:21.340 And you have to think about, and I've looked high and low, there is no silver bullet to ending abortion, I'm sad to say. 0.75

00:26:28.680 Ending abortion, the violence of abortion, means you have to change law.

00:26:33.000 You have to make it illegal, but you also have to make it unthinkable, because we all know abortions were happening before Roe v. Wade, before it was legalized. 0.62

00:26:42.060 It wasn't happening at the level that's happening today, but it was happening before.

00:26:46.840 And so it's cultural change and political change that's required for this movement.

00:26:52.140 So it really is this all hands on deck.

00:26:54.280 There's, you know, I talk about these, you know, 10 cities we have to chase, and we have to engage in battle.

00:27:01.900 One of them, which is we have to change the culture on all of our college campuses, so no woman ever again feels like she has to choose between the life of her child and education. 0.99

00:27:12.320 We have to finally defund and debar plan parenthood. 0.81

00:27:15.780 We cannot continue to use taxpayer dollars, federal or state, to fund the nation's largest abortion vendor, who, by the way, is their biggest political lobbyist,

00:27:24.900 and is the reason we see so many Republican defeats time and time again.

00:27:30.040 We have to tackle the proliferation of chemical abortion pills, which are even the Trump administration, you know, the FDA approving a generic chemical abortion pill not long ago.

00:27:41.860 Even today, our Department of Justice not enforcing the Federal Comstock Act, which bans the illegal mailing of abortion material, 0.84

00:27:51.200 which is what's happening and how our state pro-life laws are being circumvented by abortionists in New York in their freaking basements, 0.99

00:27:59.800 who are going to the New York Times proudly declaring that they're circumventing Texas's laws because four women in their basements are selling illegal chemical abortion pills.

00:28:10.580 We have to make sure that the young people...

00:28:13.980 Well, let me ask you about this.

00:28:14.700 Let me ask you about this, Kristen, because you've identified a few things that could be achieved through a different enforcement regime.

00:28:25.080 But there are other things you've identified that require a change in law.

00:28:28.140 And to do that in Washington today, you have to have all the Republicans and some Democrats.

00:28:34.760 And we used to have pro-life Democrats.

00:28:37.420 Where I'm talking to you from right now in Florida, we regularly in the Florida Panhandle elected some pro-life Democrats to Congress, to state legislatures.

00:28:47.960 But now I only count one.

00:28:49.620 Only Henry Cuellar of Texas is a pro-life Democrat.

00:28:54.800 What happened to that, like, endangered, almost extinct species?

00:28:59.720 And does it have any hope of recovery?

00:29:01.400 One, I think the hope of recovery is that the Republican Party is so strong in its pro-life beliefs that Democrats, in a self-interested manner, will start allowing some of their members to be pro-life.

00:29:17.220 I think it's going to be a self-interested...

00:29:19.020 I've been in Washington for a while, and I'm pretty jaded, but I think that's what that's going to take.

00:29:23.740 Like, why have we seen Democrats leave the pro-life cause?

00:29:29.660 Well, you can look.

00:29:31.040 It was really when Planned Parenthood became politically active.

00:29:34.180 It was the mid to late 80s.

00:29:36.280 You had, like, Al Gore said he was pro-life.

00:29:38.700 Jesse Jackson spoke at a March for Life in the late 70s.

00:29:43.160 Like, you had big-name Democrats who were always pro-life.

00:29:46.660 In fact, in the 70s, it was the Republicans who were pro-abortion.

00:29:49.900 Richard Nixon was not a pro-life activist by any stretch of the imagination.

00:29:56.320 And so what happened?

00:29:58.480 Follow the money.

00:29:59.940 I'm sure you talk about this a lot, right?

00:30:01.780 Follow the money.

00:30:03.100 And that's exactly what happened.

00:30:04.500 Planned Parenthood started applying for federal grants.

00:30:07.280 They started increasing their private donations.

00:30:09.940 They started making political contributions.

00:30:12.940 And that's why we started to see Democrats falling away from the pro-life movement.

00:30:17.960 We are not known in the pro-life movement as being well-funded, unfortunately.

00:30:22.700 I'm always trying to correct that, but that's not what we're known to be.

00:30:26.900 And then, you know, you also saw just really in the past 20 years, though, the Democratic Party has made abortion one of their issues.

00:30:38.100 It is a cornerstone issue in their party.

00:30:40.500 If you are not right on killing a baby in the womb, you're not getting anywhere.

00:30:45.500 You won't get the committee assignments. 0.77

00:30:46.920 You'll get called in to whoever's leadership's office.

00:30:49.920 You will be primed.

00:30:50.720 Dan Lipinski, Catholic pro-life Democrat in Chicago, we were able to stop at least two primary elections against them.

00:30:58.580 The third one, it was overwhelming the amount of money they spent.

00:31:01.760 And he voted with them on, like, everything except abortion.

00:31:05.680 And the Republican Party, I wish, would learn some of these lessons that our Democrats friends across the aisle have taught us.

00:31:14.080 Because this is how we always lose.

00:31:16.120 We always are like, oh, it's a big tent.

00:31:17.680 You can have all these different views.

00:31:19.480 And then when we get to Congress and we get in the majority, and I shouldn't be lecturing you about this because you're the expert here, we can't get anything done.

00:31:26.960 No, look, and I think that one of the reasons we haven't been successful is the adherence to this filibuster that Democrats will violate freely when they get power again.

00:31:40.520 Like, the only people who stop the Democrats from violating the filibuster are either gone or, yeah, they're gone from the Senate.

00:31:48.060 It was Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin.

00:31:50.580 So they're going to violate this thing when they get power.

00:31:53.620 Right.

00:31:54.120 And so I think that where Trump talks about important issues that are critical to Republican voters and abortion being among them, we have to have a different playbook for the battle space than we're currently using now.

00:32:05.280 I think it's why President Trump took the extraordinary step this week of going to Capitol Hill and trying to remind Republican senators what time it is.

00:32:14.140 But there is the practical issue of the elections and the voting.

00:32:18.480 And I want to talk to you about that.

00:32:20.480 Why do a number of these red states like Kansas continue to produce results when they vote on the question of abortion that portends a far more pro-choice position than we would otherwise think?

00:32:33.700 There's a few reasons for that, some that I'll publicly talk about, some that I probably won't.

00:32:40.920 I think that, you know, I was in Kansas and we were door knocking when that amendment came down.

00:32:47.740 One, we have a problem within the Kansas GOP.

00:32:51.700 We can't get pro-life bills passed now. 0.73

00:32:53.760 They won't even try.

00:32:54.760 Like, they wouldn't even try.

00:32:55.920 Couldn't get a bill out of committee last year.

00:32:57.800 Wouldn't even try.

00:32:59.380 You need strong leaders.

00:33:01.920 You have to have strong leadership.

00:33:03.100 We've seen this in President Trump and the success that the MAGA agenda has had because we have a strong leader willing to go to bat for the issues he believes in.

00:33:12.280 You have to have strong leaders in the GOP.

00:33:15.420 Kansas does not have that.

00:33:17.140 I can tell you because we had students there lobbying and we couldn't get the bill out of committee.

00:33:21.240 No one was even willing to try.

00:33:23.200 That does not tell me I'm pro-life champions.

00:33:25.520 So I think leadership matters.

00:33:26.700 I mean, you think about Florida.

00:33:28.520 Why were we able to defeat the amendment in Florida?

00:33:31.240 This radical late-term abortion ballot referendum.

00:33:34.820 Yes, we were doing the door knocking.

00:33:36.380 We were doing the digital ads.

00:33:37.460 We were on campuses.

00:33:38.540 But we had the leadership of Governor DeSantis.

00:33:41.860 And he stood on national TV.

00:33:43.780 He got to work.

00:33:44.740 He hosted fundraisers.

00:33:46.360 He was running his own TV ads.

00:33:48.440 He worked with us.

00:33:49.600 When we lost in Ohio, I guarantee you, if President Trump had gone to Ohio, if we would made it an issue during the presidential primary, Vivek donated to the pro-life groups in Ohio when the abortion ballot referendum was going on.

00:34:03.820 But he didn't do any events.

00:34:05.260 He didn't lend his star power and his megaphone to this cause.

00:34:10.100 And so we had people, you know, the week before the election are going, wait, what's this about?

00:34:14.300 What's this?

00:34:15.080 What's this really about?

00:34:15.840 Can you tell me again?

00:34:16.680 I'm like, wait a minute.

00:34:17.260 I know who you are.

00:34:18.420 You're a tried and true Republican voter.

00:34:20.320 How are you not understanding what's going on?

00:34:22.520 We're not reaching you. 0.96

00:34:23.840 And so we need the leadership of the Republican Party to go to bat and not treat pro-lifers like we're at the freaking little kids table.

00:34:33.160 And that's what the pro-life movement has seen for a very long time.

00:34:36.180 I'm sorry if I'm making you mad.

00:34:37.540 I always offend somebody in something I say.

00:34:39.880 No, we tell everyone be offended.

00:34:43.580 Matter of fact, I think we might have made mention of that saying in this particular discussion space.

00:34:49.000 I'm so excited when we get our Merriweather Farm shipments in.

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00:34:55.440 Now, I take it out of the package, let it get down to room temperature.

00:34:59.020 All I've got on here is a little salt, a little pepper, and then a little avocado oil.

00:35:03.280 And then I've had my pan preheating with a little oil.

00:35:07.540 Head to merriweatherfarms.com and enter promo code MATTG for 15% off your first order.

00:35:18.440 But the critique you offer is an interesting one because you're saying that the results, as we've seen them, aren't a static condition.

00:35:28.100 They aren't, in your mind, representative of an electorate that's turning more pro-choice.

00:35:33.500 They are representative of where some of the voices in the Republican Party are.

00:35:37.500 And it begs this question.

00:35:38.940 If you could take any state in the country and replicate their policies on life issues, which state would it be and why?

00:35:48.000 Wow, that's a hard question because there's a couple of different states.

00:35:52.840 Texas has some fantastic work.

00:35:55.400 So they have their, they funded their pregnancy center network in the state of Texas to over $100 million.

00:36:01.460 So they took money that would have been going to the abortion industry and said, you know what, we're going to give it to the pro-life pregnancy centers, maternity homes, the adoption agencies, and they're going to be able to apply for state funding.

00:36:15.220 That is game changing because we've never seen that level of support before.

00:36:19.820 And now we're seeing it, I believe, and I don't want to offend Governor Santa, I believe Florida has it as well.

00:36:24.400 We've seen some other states, Indiana, under the, when Governor Mike Pence was governor, did the same thing.

00:36:32.100 That's game changing when you can start saying, no, we're also going to let pregnancy centers and these help agencies actually apply for federal funds. 0.74

00:36:40.820 We've also seen Texas Lee, they were the first state to pass our Anti-Chemical Abortion Trafficking Act this year.

00:36:48.820 It was signed into law this September, which not only says we know abortion's illegal here in our state, but we still know it's happening.

00:36:56.640 Now we can, and citizens in our state can sue the illegal abortion vendors who are mailing these drugs into our states, which takes it out of the criminal courts to the civil courts,

00:37:09.660 which, because we've had a problem with the shield laws in some states, where clerks just refuse to file lawsuits from the AG in Florida and Louisiana.

00:37:19.340 Louisiana, speaking of Louisiana, has had some really interesting and innovative laws of really classifying chemical abortion drugs,

00:37:27.800 like you would other pharmaceutical drugs that are high, or that are deadly.

00:37:31.920 That's something that has to be done.

00:37:35.800 So yeah, there's a couple of different states I would like to say, but Texas and Florida are on to something.

00:37:43.120 But Texas obviously has moved to make abortion completely a thing in the past. 1.00

00:37:46.800 Florida is still behind the eight ball a little bit and allows abortions until a child's heartbeat can be heard. 0.99

00:37:53.540 But there are states that need to do more, like South Carolina.

00:37:56.340 We should have passed our Life at Conception Act this spring.

00:38:00.340 We almost passed in 2023, three Republican state senators killed the bill.

00:38:08.140 Our students got busy.

00:38:09.960 A couple of them got heat stroke.

00:38:11.640 All three of them lost their primaries to solid 100% pro-life conservatives who won their general election.

00:38:18.680 The sister senators, we call them. 0.98

00:38:20.500 But then we got to session this year, and the Speaker of the House in South Carolina,

00:38:24.980 who had co-sponsored Life at Conception bill, killed the bill because he didn't want to talk about it this year.

00:38:29.740 I don't know why, but why would he kill the bill after being a pro-life advocate for all these years?

00:38:35.520 And so, you know, it makes you think that you get to this point where they knew it was going to pass.

00:38:40.600 Then all of a sudden, people wanted to shy away from being pro-life.

00:38:44.500 And so there's a lot more states that should be on the list that tragically aren't.

00:38:49.880 We're here with Kristen Hawkins, the founder and president of Students for Life and Students for Life Action.

00:38:57.260 We're going through states that are doing things right, and after just a moment,

00:39:01.600 we're going to ask about the states that are doing things the wrong way

00:39:04.700 and really how dangerous things can be in some of these blue jurisdictions.

00:39:07.720 We'll be back in just a moment.

00:39:09.340 We're here with Kristen Hawkins, the founder and president of Students for Life and Students for Life Action.

00:39:13.420 And, Kristen, you were just sharing that Florida and Texas were good examples of where pro-life policy

00:39:19.080 has really advanced in a unidirectional way.

00:39:22.360 Give us some examples of where people should be deeply concerned that the policies are most abhorrent

00:39:28.220 to our sensibilities around life.

00:39:30.260 Virginia.

00:39:30.820 So the loss of the legislature there in Virginia, not even talking about Abigail Spanberger,

00:39:38.200 but the pro-abortion majority now in Richmond has guaranteed that they will have an abortion

00:39:45.800 in all nine months ballot referendum on the ballot in May.

00:39:50.080 Not only that, but they took an illegal vote last week to nullify the 2020 bipartisan redistricting committee,

00:39:57.880 and they want to have a redistricting ballot referendum on the ballot in May,

00:40:03.680 which because of the wisdom of the founding fathers, and many of them were Virginians,

00:40:08.640 you have to, to get something on the ballot in Virginia, you have to have two legislatures vote for it

00:40:13.460 and have to have an intervening election.

00:40:15.820 And so it was illegal because they didn't give 90 days notice,

00:40:19.480 but they voted for this new redistricting commission that now the Democrats will get to decide

00:40:24.640 where they want to gerrymander.

00:40:25.940 And their goal is by May on the ballot in Virginia will be two constitutional amendments,

00:40:32.080 one to allow abortion up until the moment of birth and no criminal punishment,

00:40:36.640 even if you let a baby die who's been born alive accidentally in an abortion facility,

00:40:41.240 and also to allow the Democrats to gerrymander the state because they wish to take away Republican seats

00:40:48.740 in Congress before 2026.

00:40:51.360 This is, this is massive.

00:40:55.000 Virginia still has abortions. 1.00

00:40:58.260 It's kind of, you know, there at the beginning of the top of the South.

00:41:02.060 And so you have many states all around Virginia that have moved to either heavily restrict or end abortion.

00:41:08.140 They want to become the safe haven of the South for late term abortion. 1.00

00:41:11.520 This will mean tens of thousands of babies will die more a year in Virginia.

00:41:17.040 And there will be women who will be bused and shipped into Virginia to end the life of their children. 1.00

00:41:22.680 And it will be completely unchecked.

00:41:24.880 And sadly with the swamp that's, you know, gone into Northern Virginia

00:41:29.520 and the just outrageousness of how Northern Virginia has basically ruined the rest of the state for everybody,

00:41:37.120 it's going to be very hard to stop this.

00:41:39.940 And it's going to be a beast to stop this because the abortion lobby will be spending hundreds of millions of dollars 1.00

00:41:45.440 to ensure that Virginia votes for abortion up until the moment of birth.

00:41:52.740 Abortion tourism isn't really something I think any state would want to be known for.

00:41:57.420 Gavin Newsom does appear to be the Democrat frontrunner for president right now following this week's election

00:42:02.800 and his successful urging of other blue states to model his behavior when it comes to gerrymandering.

00:42:10.140 What do you think that national voters should know about Gavin Newsom's record on abortion?

00:42:15.800 Gavin Newsom uses Bible verses that he apparently has never read to justify abortion.

00:42:22.600 Yeah, and that's probably, when people I say, oh, how do you keep your cool on campuses

00:42:28.080 when people are yelling and screaming at you?

00:42:29.880 It's usually pretty easy because I have sympathy for them, but I lose my sympathy very fast

00:42:33.880 when they try to just use the Bible to justify abortion.

00:42:37.420 He has literally funded pro-abortion billboards in the Deep South using scripture

00:42:43.620 to promote abortion tourism to California.

00:42:47.620 Like, as if California isn't killing enough babies, he wants people from, women from the South 1.00

00:42:52.640 to go to California to kill their babies. 1.00

00:42:54.660 Like, it's, it is absolutely sickening. 1.00

00:42:57.720 They put Planned Parenthood's, in California, they put Planned Parenthood's phone number

00:43:01.560 on the back of every student ID's card.

00:43:04.640 They've openly welcomed the abortion industry working in their public school system.

00:43:09.640 They allow Planned Parenthood, which just doesn't make any sense.

00:43:12.720 They allow Planned Parenthood, the leading abortion vendor in the country, the agency that profits

00:43:19.020 off of irresponsible sexual decisions, to go into California schools and teach sex ed.

00:43:24.740 That is like teaching Philip, having Philip Morris go into schools and tell kids not to smoke.

00:43:30.120 That is exactly what happens here in California.

00:43:32.840 He wants to be, he is the abortion governor of the United States. 0.88

00:43:37.840 And that is, he is radical.

00:43:40.780 And I don't care how nice he was to Charlie on his podcast that one time and try to pretend

00:43:46.340 like he was friends or, you know, how polite he might have been to Governor DeSantis when

00:43:51.320 he debated him on Hannity. 0.98

00:43:53.420 He is a snake. 0.98

00:43:54.760 He is an oil salesman, you know, like, oh my gosh, I can't, I'm going to stop being Christian. 0.99

00:43:59.700 So I'm just going to calm down.

00:44:00.620 But he is, he would be the most radical abortion president we have ever had in the United States. 0.51

00:44:09.060 Even more than President Obama, who ushered in, you know, Obamacare and ACA, which at the

00:44:15.400 time was the largest expansion of abortion we've ever seen.

00:44:18.540 He would find a way to top that because he loves it so much.

00:44:23.960 Wow.

00:44:24.520 Well, I'd love to know then what you'd like to see on the other side.

00:44:28.220 There are probably going to be a number of Republicans who want the nomination in 2028.

00:44:32.780 Do you want to see them come out for a six-week ban, a total ban, a 10-week ban?

00:44:38.220 What's the position that you would look to and say that's going to inspire pro-life activists?

00:44:42.500 Well, I mean, you think about Gen Z.

00:44:44.260 Gen Z is bold.

00:44:46.200 They're unapologetic.

00:44:48.540 Gen Z is not going to be inspired by a presidential candidate that's like, yeah, I don't like abortion, 0.96

00:44:54.880 but I think we should only limit it to, you know, after, we should ban it after 12 weeks

00:45:00.940 or ban it after six weeks because Gen Z is going to ask the natural question of like,

00:45:04.920 if it's bad, why are you allowing some of it to happen?

00:45:08.360 Because they're going to ask that natural, very natural question.

00:45:11.400 If you want to inspire the pro-life base, you have to come out and be truthful.

00:45:16.060 Abortion is a grave moral wrong.

00:45:18.320 It kills the most innocent among us and tells women that in order to succeed, 1.00

00:45:25.240 they have to pay someone to end the life of their child.

00:45:28.180 They have to have access to a special surgery to make their body, in the liberal terms,

00:45:33.020 like the normative nail body.

00:45:35.800 We need somebody who can come out and say, that's wrong.

00:45:38.740 And I would support a 100% ban on abortion.

00:45:41.640 However, we actually have to have a hard conversation in our country

00:45:46.600 that abortion has made us too lazy to have,

00:45:49.800 which is how do we actually help and support families in crisis?

00:45:54.740 Vice President Vance, when he was in Congress, when he was in Senate,

00:45:58.740 for a brief moment, he was the co-sponsor of the bill to make birth free,

00:46:03.080 to say, no, there should not be any medical deductibles you're paying

00:46:07.020 through health insurance to deliver your child.

00:46:08.840 That makes no sense.

00:46:09.920 That's a common sense proposal that every American can get around.

00:46:14.460 Why aren't we having real conversations about paid family leave

00:46:18.300 and how do we take and allow Americans to borrow from their own social security,

00:46:23.320 which, by the way, most people in my generation, our generation younger,

00:46:26.880 have deep concerns about whether social security will even be there.

00:46:29.980 I mean, the boomers, the boomers are going to get their money 1.00

00:46:32.960 because that's why they've been on the street corners, right,

00:46:34.720 protesting against no kings because they want the king of government.

00:46:37.380 Sorry, sorry, I just offend people.

00:46:40.260 But we need to have real conversations.

00:46:43.320 Abortion's made us lazy as a society.

00:46:45.200 I have this conversation all the time with our students of, like,

00:46:47.460 let's have a real conversation about the state of our foster care system.

00:46:51.720 I'm happy to have that conversation.

00:46:54.340 But we never get to that point because we're always hung up on abortion.

00:46:57.160 And so I think we need to see leadership.

00:47:00.620 We need to see a presidential candidate in 2028 who's going to say what we all know.

00:47:04.840 Abortion kills an innocent human being who has the same value and dignity as the rest of us.

00:47:11.100 And when we undermine that value and dignity of that child because of how small they are

00:47:15.300 or their degree of dependency or their location or the circumstance of their conception,

00:47:19.560 we undermine all of our human rights, all of our human rights.

00:47:23.340 But we also have to have those hard conversations.

00:47:25.840 We have to defund and debar Planned Parenthood.

00:47:29.280 An agency that's getting $800 million of our taxpayer funds that kills over 400,000 children a year

00:47:37.540 and is the largest funder of democratic politics in Washington, D.C., doesn't deserve our money.

00:47:43.500 It's super simple.

00:47:45.080 We need to be talking about chemical abortion pills and how rapists have access to these drugs

00:47:50.980 because there's no questions asked.

00:47:53.240 Like, literally, in three minutes, any person, a man or a woman, you don't have to even prove you're pregnant,

00:47:59.180 can go online and get chemical abortion pills shipped into any state in our country,

00:48:03.700 violating the 1890 Federal Comstock Act.

00:48:06.900 No questions asked.

00:48:08.280 We now know chemical abortion pills are poisoning our water supply. 0.99

00:48:11.440 We have tested Students for Life independently, hired a company not based in the United States.

00:48:17.420 Actually, I had to base a higher company in the Netherlands because no company in the United States would touch this issue

00:48:21.860 when they found out what we were testing.

00:48:23.580 Testing Mepristone, an anti-progesterone chemical that, you know, progesterone is what keeps you pregnant.

00:48:30.300 Men need progesterone, too, because it helps your brain development.

00:48:33.400 It's actually these metabolites in Mepristone are actually found in our drinking water, tap water,

00:48:39.360 and they're only found in one pharmaceutical drug, chemical abortion pills.

00:48:43.000 They're in our drinking water.

00:48:44.840 If we want to make America healthy again, we've got to stop drinking anti-progesterone metabolites in our drinking water.

00:48:51.220 We need to have the EPA seriously look and study at that.

00:48:54.280 We need to have a presidential administration that says, let's promote the alternatives. 1.00

00:48:59.080 Let's make sure every college campus has to tell a woman that she has somewhere to go. 1.00

00:49:04.800 Like, we actually have laws, the 1970 Pregnancy Non-Discrimination Act.

00:49:09.380 We still have Title IX. Biden didn't completely destroy it.

00:49:14.060 We have pregnancy centers and maternity homes. 0.98

00:49:17.100 You can go to standingwithu.org and find them.

00:49:18.980 We have fairly qualified health centers.

00:49:20.540 Go to findthehealthcenter.herstot.gov.

00:49:22.220 That's very helpful.

00:49:23.000 That's what we need to hear from a leader.

00:49:26.580 And if there are students who are interested in getting involved with Students for Life or pro-life causes,

00:49:33.160 where would you direct them to become a part of your organization?

00:49:35.740 We would love to have as many students as possible join this movement.

00:49:39.740 You can go to studentsforlife.org, instantly sign up, or just email yourstate at studentsforlife.org.

00:49:46.220 If you want to find out if there's a local pro-life group or if you want to start a pro-life group,

00:49:50.000 and we'll walk with you every step of the way because I once was that student,

00:49:55.040 and that's how we designed this organization, to work with students who are the most underserved

00:50:01.820 but the most directly targeted by the abortion industry because you, as a student,

00:50:06.440 have the opportunity to change minds and save lives.

00:50:11.700 Kristen Hawkins, on her campus tour, visited San Diego State University recently.

00:50:17.320 The president and founder of Students for Life, we appreciate you coming on the show

00:50:21.620 and making your argument.

00:50:23.140 And it's going to be interesting in these upcoming midterms

00:50:25.820 because we know the Democrats are going to have a very pro-abortion message.

00:50:31.280 We know they're going to lead with it.

00:50:32.980 And I think you've given Republican candidates a lot of tools to talk about this issue

00:50:38.120 with intelligence and compassion and with an understanding of where the energy is in our movement

00:50:43.560 and what the expectation is from our voters.

00:50:46.160 Kristen Hawkins, thank you for joining us on Anchorman.

00:50:49.000 Thank you.

00:50:49.800 We'll be back again next week.

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - November 07, 2025

The Anchormen Show Episode 73 - The Miracle of Life w⧸ Kristan Hawkins

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