The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show Episode 93 - Wolves in the Henhouse w： Pearson Sharp & Ammon Blair

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp

00:00:11.220 welcome back to the anchorman show i'm matt gates host of the matt gates show here on

00:00:20.700 one american news we have our program every weeknight nine o'clock eastern six pacific

00:00:24.880 and this is my chance to kick back a little bit with my good friend and co-host pearson sharp

00:00:28.800 have some extended discussions with folks who know a lot about what they're talking about

00:00:32.840 regarding the issues today and the human condition and we have a terrific guest for our discussion

00:00:38.680 amon blair is a veteran of the united states army former cbp officer and now a senior fellow

00:00:44.720 at the texas public policy institute mr blair thanks so much for joining us you are exactly

00:00:49.980 the person i wanted to have to discuss just where the country is right now i would not have had on

00:00:55.200 my 2026 bingo card minnesota being the center of our political universe but here we are whether it

00:01:02.560 is the somali fraud or whether it is this shooting that now has passions inflamed around immigration

00:01:09.080 enforcement everyone is focused on what is going on in minnesota and and particularly these events

00:01:15.540 regarding ice and with sanctuary policies that we've seen from governor walls from the mayor of

00:01:22.180 minneapolis jacob fry they have drawn the attention of the federal government and with your experience

00:01:27.540 serving our nation in cbp i'm dying to ask you all about this but first we had we had something i

00:01:33.560 wanted to react to at the top of the show senator chris murphy goes on the sunday shows and he makes

00:01:39.600 a searing allegation about training and immigration enforcement against the trump administration take a

00:01:45.900 listen we'll get your reaction on the other side the amount of training that is given to an ice

00:01:50.780 officer has been cut in half by this administration and the number of days of training they get

00:01:56.380 are 47 you know why they get 47 days of training as an homage to the vanity of the president of the

00:02:03.580 united states 47 days of training for the 47th president so we have officers on the streets today

00:02:09.340 who are receiving half as much training and so no wonder the number of violent incidents are going

00:02:14.540 through the roof man blair your reaction to the connecticut senator yeah good question one uh thank

00:02:21.080 you for having me um so even before this you know we weren't training our law enforcement to the level

00:02:27.260 with which americans expected us to perform um ice before was around uh their training was around

00:02:34.140 six months uh myself as a border patrol agent was roughly between five and six months uh the training

00:02:40.540 was really good in border patrol um uh really compared to the military as i served a little over 20 years

00:02:45.820 in the military um however after the the training um really all you do is you go to the qual range

00:02:53.340 you may have use of force training once a month um it's very lackadaisical and so uh what ends up

00:02:59.100 happening is if you actually want to um be in in the top uh i guess uh in your game uh you're gonna have to

00:03:09.420 go and seek outside training uh and that's why just like in the military uh military physical fitness

00:03:15.500 training is sucks pretty bad um and that's why in the very beginning in the early 2000s that's why

00:03:21.180 crossfit rose so high uh among around uh whether that's uh army post or uh like air force bases or

00:03:29.100 marine corps areas um kind of the same thing happening with our law enforcement if our law enforcement

00:03:35.180 want to get um if they want to get physically fit if they want to get uh really good training

00:03:42.860 um you're gonna have to seek it outside the agency you can't rely on the government uh to do so um

00:03:49.260 and so like uh the gracie program that's out of california uh they want they go around the nation

00:03:55.580 and trying to assist law enforcement to get that mindset that yes unfortunately the whether you work

00:04:01.900 for a state agency or federal agency you're not going to get that level of training that you need

00:04:06.860 but but the idea and concept that um the reason why there's a spike in violence uh towards uh what

00:04:15.740 he calls either protesters or civilians when they're conducting it is not because of ice it's because of

00:04:21.580 we are now on uncharted waters in the streets this is the first time in really in recorded history

00:04:28.380 except after the reconstruction era or after a civil war where we saw this level of uh nullification

00:04:36.940 of federal law and down in the streets where you have you have islamic extremists uh you have far left

00:04:45.420 anarchist groups converging with latin kings that are tied to mexican cartels tied to uh ngos uh district

00:04:54.700 attorneys every single facet of our society is now uh on the streets it seems or in the cities

00:05:03.500 in an urban environment one of the most uh difficult environments to operate if you are

00:05:08.700 ever were in the military very difficult uh to operate in in in terms of counterinsurgency or

00:05:14.780 counterterrorism in in an urban environment so now you place um ice officers who really if you look at

00:05:22.780 their job duties and details they're really not they're not like your law enforcement uh they

00:05:27.580 conduct immigration enforcement uh deportations processing paperwork and whatnot and that is and

00:05:33.900 that is why um early on uh secretary noem started to bring in border patrol agents to the interior

00:05:42.620 because border patrol has a lot more uh training uh experience level of experience and dealing with

00:05:48.700 whether that's mass migration whether that's dealing with uh uh counterinsurgency or uh counter

00:05:54.220 smuggling operations whether that's dealing with a lot more issues along our southern border

00:06:00.460 um and that's why they had to shift uh border patrol into the interior because really ice um technically

00:06:06.940 especially during the bite administration all they were doing is sitting behind a desk or transporting

00:06:12.140 people for the facilitation of the invasion it's such a interesting point you make about the

00:06:17.580 utilization of cbp for this function we recall vividly all of the criticism that that uh undertook

00:06:24.940 when it was first implemented but indeed a lot of those cbp folks had had a lot of training because

00:06:30.300 there was just so much of a turnstile at the border here's my reaction to senator chris murphy

00:06:35.740 how much training do you think they need and it's to to know to neutralize a threat when they are in the

00:06:42.780 process of an official movement and you have people barricading their movements pearson sharp your

00:06:48.780 reaction to the the connecticut senator and his desire to have federal law enforcement uh stuck in

00:06:55.500 i guess more pronoun training or de-escalation training well so i understand what you're saying

00:07:00.940 that this is not a situation that's the violence is not being caused by these ice agents or their

00:07:06.780 presence i understand what you're saying there but it from what you described it does sound like the

00:07:11.820 ice agents may be underprepared for this they're not necessarily under trained like it's their fault

00:07:17.020 like the lack of training is causing this but they're not prepared to deal with the types of

00:07:21.820 situations they're being thrust into is that what you're saying yeah they're not to be to be honest

00:07:26.940 neither is border patrol really look the that's why that's why uh president trump requested that the

00:07:32.860 national guard uh go out there so the national guard if if you know because i was also an officer

00:07:38.460 in the national guard so your your duties and responsibility are the exact same as an uh as

00:07:44.780 active duty so i was infantry so i had to go to all the infantry schools i had to do all everything

00:07:49.900 um yes it was only one week in a month or a little more than that and then two weeks in the summer

00:07:54.140 but we still had to meet those same requirements uh whether that is in terms of uh dealing with a mass

00:08:00.540 population uh or mass protest and riots uh something like that ice is not prepared for a lot of times

00:08:07.980 law enforcement is not even prepared for and that's why you have your national guard and uh and to to

00:08:13.820 deal with these situations but the problem is is the the judges right now are stating that um the the

00:08:19.900 level of violence that's happening at the protests or riots uh does not equate to an insurrection

00:08:25.820 and uh they're trying to take over that authority that the the uh president trump has to determine

00:08:31.500 whether or not um it does uh require an insurrection and so that's what i'll go ahead i was going to say

00:08:37.900 so in your perfect version of events if you were you know trump called you up and placed you in charge

00:08:43.660 of this this may be going straight to the meat of it but what would your solution to the situation be

00:08:49.580 it you know these these riots and stuff in minneapolis how do you think the best way to deal with that is

00:08:54.780 is yeah good question bifurcate the process meaning um i'm going to give you an example so new orleans

00:09:01.980 they just recently did that operation in new orleans and uh again a sanctuary city uh by policy

00:09:09.180 even though it's a republican state um and but when you look at new orleans as a whole so they have 64

00:09:16.940 parishes at the time of the operation 57 of those 64 parishes voted for donald trump immigration was

00:09:24.380 number one because of the invasion that happened under the vice administration however only six

00:09:29.580 or seven of those counties have actually signed an agreement to work with ice so we're seeing that

00:09:36.300 nationwide um and only six or seven other municipalities throughout the entire state why do you think that

00:09:42.940 is because because because i would think that any uh red or blue or purple jurisdiction would want to

00:09:51.100 have a positive relationship with federal law enforcement because everybody's on the same team

00:09:56.940 pro-enforcement of the law you would think so sir um so i'm a i'm a senior advisor for operation

00:10:03.980 lone star task force here in texas um it's a task force of about 63 law enforcement agencies to include ice

00:10:10.540 bp uh dea and other agencies and uh sheriff roy boyd out of goliad county is the one who created the task

00:10:17.180 force uh and unfortunately we can't even get members within our task force to sign an agreement

00:10:23.260 even though we're the only task force you know what what stands in the way is it just like fear

00:10:29.340 bureaucracy uh is it political correctness this is texas yeah this is texas you're right um so it's

00:10:37.020 ideology uh one of it is ideology the other one is is also they they think or claim that immigration

00:10:43.820 there's a separation between immigration and criminality in their uh in their uh counties

00:10:48.460 or municipalities which is false uh also the ideology they think that immigration is a federal

00:10:55.660 issue not not a state or local issue and just to be clear you're describing jurisdictions where

00:11:01.260 donald trump won where voters massively where voters in an election that was principally about

00:11:06.780 the open borders of the biden harris era uh now they're saying that well you know if we sign this then

00:11:12.860 because i wouldn't even think that signing an agreement between your local community and ice

00:11:18.060 would even um uh put you firmly in the camp of illegal immigration being criminal right even

00:11:25.580 remotely controversial no and and and and and just so i when you say ideology and i'm gonna go

00:11:31.500 pearson's got got some uh reporting on uh california on this point in just a moment but when you say

00:11:36.540 ideology be as specific as you can about what you've encountered as you've tried to put this coalition

00:11:41.740 of cooperation together sure um before uh biden allowed the invasion to come in they didn't want

00:11:49.260 the invasion to happen but now that they're inside of your community they now see them as a part of the

00:11:55.100 community so the ideology now is that they are uh refugees or asylum seekers now in your area and that

00:12:04.940 they don't want to target them based off of not being here legal uh now that the wolves are in the

00:12:09.660 hen house we have to protect them now it's a war house yeah it's not a hen house right correct and

00:12:15.340 so that's what we're seeing across the entire state across the entire nation that's wild sheriffs are

00:12:19.820 refusing to do it the um your police chiefs your mayors your city councilmen even though they voted for

00:12:25.820 donald trump even though it's a red county uh you'd be actually surprised if you look at the data and

00:12:31.020 ice has the data up for everyone to see i have never aspired to be a sheriff but if i did i would

00:12:37.900 find out whether or not the sheriffs in my area had made this agreement with ice to work together by

00:12:44.300 the way for both of their safety like this isn't working together for uh some esoteric uh display of

00:12:52.300 loyalty it's so that your own operations are safer but pearson sharp here in the san diego area you have a

00:12:58.860 little nugget of news on this point share it with us well yeah i mean i just wanted to say add on to

00:13:03.020 the last point that public opinion is more important at this point than the safety of the officers or the

00:13:07.660 people involved the community it doesn't matter you know these people get elected and they run on

00:13:11.980 these platforms that immigrants must be protected at all costs because all immigration is good immigration

00:13:18.940 um so yeah to your point what you were saying earlier about uh communities and elected officials

00:13:25.820 fighting back against ice even in red areas well san diego is not exactly a red area anymore and uh

00:13:32.380 recently we had the city council here i mean first first they voted to make san diego a sanctuary city

00:13:39.340 of course naturally that's expected here in california then after trump was elected they voted to make it a

00:13:46.620 super sanctuary city which not only means that they don't deport illegal aliens but they protect and do not

00:13:54.540 deport criminal illegal aliens including those convicted of rape and murder and other serious

00:14:00.460 violent criminal charges so that is the situation that we're dealing with in san diego and i must think

00:14:07.740 that the people who the voters just have no idea that this is happening because there's no way that

00:14:14.140 anyone could could protect these kinds of individuals well there's two things happening here

00:14:20.380 there's two things happening here what what what mr blair is describing is that in texas there's a

00:14:24.940 reticence to affirmatively enter into the agreement that provides the rails for the cooperation in the

00:14:31.660 deportation and then totally on the other side of that there's not just the silence there is the active

00:14:38.380 assertion of the blue areas like in san diego california where they're saying our official position

00:14:45.340 is that we won't do it whereas in these red areas what what aman is describing is a a almost tacit

00:14:53.980 willingness to accept it where it's active confrontation in these blue jurisdictions one

00:14:59.260 leads to the other yeah probably probably so so in these places tell us uh how have you engaged how

00:15:06.460 has your think tank worked uh to engage the communities and stakeholders to put some pressure on

00:15:13.340 the sheriffs and city councils and and county governments to do the right thing yeah really

00:15:19.500 it's uh kind of like a social media i guess campaign tour event tour we go out and work with grassroots

00:15:25.820 organizations um who also have a lot of political clout within their communities so we'll go there and

00:15:32.620 we'll inform them uh what is available to their law enforcement here in texas from the constable uh to your

00:15:38.780 police officer uh to your police chief also to the county sheriff and their deputies uh we'll go there

00:15:44.460 and we'll show that hey this is not going to uh be uh um costing your your agency uh that much and in

00:15:51.260 fact um goliad county uh sheriff boyd who created the opera operation loan star task force he's received

00:15:58.620 over two hundred thousand dollars from department of homeland security and he's just a small little uh

00:16:04.780 country town uh just south of houston and so if one little small town uh can receive over two

00:16:10.380 hundred thousand dollars to conduct uh ice operations and immigration enforcement at the state level and

00:16:15.100 assist ice um there is no excuse that any of these uh other counties municipalities uh have uh to not

00:16:23.980 conduct it because this they'll also pay for your overtime your your deputies and law enforcement

00:16:28.060 officers over time and so but we're just kind of we're somewhat seeing um uh a little bit of a

00:16:35.660 surge as as we push stuff on the social media as we go to uh grassroots organizations as i said as we

00:16:41.260 continue to talk about this uh to be honest um not not many conservative news agencies um will address

00:16:48.940 this situation in fact the most the the only news agency really that uh i've been able to talk about

00:16:54.940 this as much as actually been news nation which is chris cuomo's organization uh where we've discussed

00:17:00.860 this uh quite a few times um however uh because um it may stand against the trip administration uh or

00:17:10.300 uh tom homan or whatnot they may not want to start to target red states as much as they target blue

00:17:17.580 states or or jurisdictions but they have i gotta tell you um i've seen in tallahassee florida the ice

00:17:24.220 folks roll up to the home depot we've seen in as you mentioned before the red state of louisiana but

00:17:30.380 in the sanctuary jurisdiction of new orleans immigration enforcement and so i i think that

00:17:34.860 what you're uh pointing to is the need for a policy prescription that ties the distribution of those

00:17:41.820 grants in any form through any means to that cooperation imperative into that cooperation uh requirement

00:17:49.820 and i know for a fact the trump administration is looking at ways to tie medicaid uh dollars to

00:17:56.060 whether or not people are improving their medicaid roles so that it's u.s citizens benefiting

00:18:01.580 from u.s social service programs and so you know that would that work would it work if the only way

00:18:08.220 for these communities to get their federal drawdowns was to agree to the cooperation with ice that you seek

00:18:13.260 yeah you know we we've been working with uh tom homan's folks um a few of their his of advisors

00:18:19.980 um uh hand in hand we've been working with uh chief mike banks uh the border patrol chief we've been

00:18:26.140 working with uh uh commissioner rodney scott's office as well in terms of figuring out ways and

00:18:31.660 means that we can do this and what we've come to the conclusion really is a lot of times these local

00:18:36.300 law enforcement uh they may not understand that there is a uh a um a link between uh illegal

00:18:44.460 immigration and also criminality within their areas uh but also they may not realize the amount

00:18:49.900 of resources that are available to them and that it's not going to be cost prohibitive for them to

00:18:54.540 to work with ice in fact it's going to be more beneficial for the public safety well let me let me

00:18:59.180 throw out a theory let me throw out a theory that this isn't budget-based because i think it would be

00:19:03.580 very normative to think well any government entity that's asked to take on another function another

00:19:08.940 cost they might be reticent you've you've disabused us of that by describing the federal uh grants and

00:19:15.820 benefits that come with cooperation but i think there might be something else at play in some of

00:19:20.540 these small towns and in some of these areas the local businesses have a lot to say about who the

00:19:27.260 sheriff's going to be or who the mayor is going to be and they may be benefiting from some of that

00:19:33.340 illegal alien labor and they don't want to see ice show up at their establishment at their maybe

00:19:40.620 it's their tourism company or their restaurant and uh and enforce the law that is on the books and so

00:19:47.340 they put pressure on on organizations to not do the cooperation do you think there's any risk that

00:19:52.620 that's occurring in texas well okay so you're talking about you're talking about conservative areas

00:19:57.500 yeah yeah i'm thinking even in red areas this may be okay yeah we we deal with that all the time um

00:20:02.940 and wow you know this has been happening um like ever since the 1950s so weaponized mass migration has

00:20:09.660 been happening since the 50s um and it's all by design the whole goal is to create a human or engineer a

00:20:15.820 humanitarian uh crisis uh whether that's at the border or on the interior it's to inculcate guilt within the

00:20:24.060 the the host nation uh that's bringing in people that's certainly working yeah so what i mean by

00:20:29.740 that at the border that was the whole goal is to to produce a bunch of people from four nations that

00:20:36.780 are extremely poor sometimes not poor but and rich but extremely poor what that ended up doing for us

00:20:42.220 is we then went from trying to secure the border from the mexican cartels and all the smuggling

00:20:46.780 organizations to now becoming a humanitarian agency where we focused on only on those that are coming

00:20:52.940 across now we're seeing now that we're occupied because the invasion now we're seeing that in

00:20:57.500 communities across the united states especially in red states and rural areas that are working in

00:21:01.820 agriculture construction you name it the under the table uh jobs uh we're seeing that uh because

00:21:07.660 they're part of they're now a part of their society uh somewhat or part of their community or maybe

00:21:12.460 their church or institution so socioeconomically or culturally we're now seeing that these and we call

00:21:19.020 them hypocrisy costs we now see that they're now faced with a dilemma um and it's all by design

00:21:26.220 that they either uh work with the rule of law or they feel that based off of their christian values

00:21:33.420 and ethics that they need to to help these uh refugees or asylum seekers um in establishing an

00:21:41.100 area where it's completely safe for them so they may vote for donald trump but they request that

00:21:46.220 they don't go into agriculture i don't know if you've seen that fight back and forth uh since

00:21:50.940 trump has been in office between what areas ice can and cannot go and agriculture has been a large part

00:21:57.420 of that what do you think about that pearson you know the the notion that a particular industry would

00:22:03.980 get an exemption like the agriculture industry i know there were there were i mean you know uh aman's

00:22:09.020 right there there were real discussions and debates and disputes about that different people had

00:22:13.340 different viewpoints what's yours my family both sides of my family were farmers uh my mom's side

00:22:20.300 and my dad's side big farming family and we've been doing it for over a hundred years and as far as i

00:22:26.220 know we hired americans we didn't need to hire illegals and i don't think that's not most big corporate

00:22:34.140 farms well i understand but i don't think i don't think anything should be off limits absolutely not

00:22:39.740 and i mean i'd like to know this is one of my big fears is you know trump's in right now and we're

00:22:45.900 making some progress not as much as i'd like to see you know he's being held back on pretty much all

00:22:50.460 fronts but if he is out in a couple of years and we get another democrat any progress we make is going

00:22:58.300 to fall backwards and i'm kind of blackpilled on this but i want to know your take do you think

00:23:04.860 that it's possible to reverse this immigration to to deport all the people who need to be deported

00:23:12.060 because a single illegal immigrant weakens and erodes the rule of law here in america all of them

00:23:20.620 need to go i don't care if you've been here 10 years 20 years 50 years i don't care if you have kids

00:23:24.780 and grandkids if you're here illegally you have to go i'm afraid that our gutless spineless leaders

00:23:32.620 the republicans not trump the republicans who are supposedly working for him don't have the

00:23:37.900 backbone to get this done what do you think i'm so excited when we get our meriwether farm shipments

00:23:44.380 in you get a beautiful piece of rib eye look look at that marbling now i take it out of the package

00:23:49.980 let it get down to room temperature all i've got on here is a little salt a little pepper and then

00:23:54.620 a little avocado oil and then i've had my pan preheating with a little oil

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00:24:12.780 yeah i mean we're kind of seeing that i mean we're seeing at the law enforcement level we're seeing it

00:24:17.260 at local officials level i'm not willing to work with immigration enforcement um you're seeing that

00:24:21.740 across the board all you have to do it the numbers don't lie just go to ice's website you'll see who

00:24:27.100 has signed on and who has not um and is it they have a website but what's that website give us a

00:24:33.500 shout out i think it's yeah it's just ice.gov and it had and then just if your audience can just go

00:24:38.220 ice.gov and type in 287g i'm gonna pull up and they they update there's an excel spreadsheet on there

00:24:44.380 that they update daily on every single um county uh constable or municipality that signs up for our

00:24:51.980 uh an agreement so they have current and then they also have the uh pending and in fact they also

00:24:58.060 published their memorandum of agreement as well on there so it's completely transparent on the

00:25:03.260 memorandums that they signed and everything um and you'll see that florida is of of course leading

00:25:08.380 the way uh governor desantis and the florida team had um take that texas you have the better football

00:25:15.020 you have the better college football teams this year but we have better ice cooperation agreements

00:25:19.500 uh than than you texans do but but but answer pearson's a more fundamental question which is

00:25:25.340 is this an attainable goal the only way that it's going to be attainable is if red states actually stop

00:25:30.860 being a part of the cynical mission and that they actually get 100 involved like governor desantis

00:25:36.780 so no in other words yeah so uh it's going to be very difficult uh what you're seeing in the

00:25:43.500 streets is ice and border patrol alone right in the in the um in the sanctuary jurisdictions you're

00:25:51.340 seeing also local law enforcement crying like in portland oregon over train de aragua as opposed to

00:25:57.900 what they tried doing to the actual ice officer um you're you're seeing uh elected officials call

00:26:03.420 out them as well so um but unfortunately the same thing is happening in red areas they're just not

00:26:08.540 saying it they're just not doing anything about it um in fact in texas um the deputy director of dps

00:26:16.060 during this last legislative cycle testified against the 287g program get out in texas

00:26:23.820 you have a republican governor it's bluer than you think so you what it was what was the basis of that

00:26:29.820 testimony uh it's all up online too it's up right now you can see that it was uh katrina pearson

00:26:36.700 representative katrina pearson asked the question and at the uh session is like hey uh what are your

00:26:42.380 what is your opinion what is dps's opinion on 287g and he said that's really not our function as a

00:26:47.740 state law enforcement agency uh maybe that should be more or less uh what the texas national guard should

00:26:54.060 do but not state law enforcement and so that that is how people interact with the illegals okay

00:27:01.260 the illegal aliens typically interface with some function of local law enforcement if they are

00:27:07.500 violating the law they're not as likely to interact with federal law enforcement than if

00:27:12.620 there's a traffic violation or domestic disturbance or a break-in an assault like this is how people

00:27:19.980 interact with law enforcement and so if you take that out of the equation you take a huge

00:27:23.900 bite out of the enforcement and yeah if you remove that then pearson's probably right then then

00:27:28.700 the momentum toward the deportation will be stalled and it will lay at the feet of red state gutless

00:27:36.620 uh officials who aren't who aren't willing to adhere to the law and to our constitution but i want to push

00:27:42.540 back on the black pilling for just a moment okay here's where i want to push back always the optimist

00:27:47.100 no no no no it's a different different frame on the argument democrats used to say with regularity

00:27:53.580 and they were uh amplified by mainstream media the border cannot be closed this is an unsolvable

00:28:01.660 problem it is definitionally part of the american experience to have people washing over our borders

00:28:09.020 in the tens of thousands per week they cannot make that argument anymore that argument is gone so even

00:28:15.820 if the political winds shift and a democrat were to become president in 2028 and i i don't think that's

00:28:21.900 going to happen i still believe they will have to maintain the trump policies that have created a

00:28:28.220 totally different dynamic on the border that's my argument i'll let yours i don't think so at all

00:28:32.220 because trump's first term we saw immigration dramatically fall i mean it jumped off a cliff

00:28:40.380 as far as illegal immigration goes and he built lots of border wall and things were looking pretty good

00:28:45.340 and then biden came in and reversed all of his policies and we had the worst immigration in the

00:28:50.220 history of the nation so all it takes is one president and then the media doesn't care you know

00:28:55.660 we didn't even have net negative migration under trump no we didn't we didn't that's true achieving

00:29:00.300 that now i think is like crossing the rubicon it doesn't matter ultimately because they get away

00:29:06.940 with whatever they say the media is on their side the public has no memory for these kinds of things

00:29:11.820 whatever they say happens is what happens and the rest disappears the truth disappears

00:29:16.860 amin are you are we'll let you decide here are you are you buying the the black pill that it cannot

00:29:22.460 be solved or do you think that a new floor has kind of been established on the policy front

00:29:27.980 that it'll be difficult for the democrats to go beneath yeah so great question i think i think i'm

00:29:33.020 going to be in the middle on this in um that it can be done but right now it's it's slow rolling um

00:29:39.740 and why i say that is the mexican cartels still control our border uh when you on our side as

00:29:45.980 well so when you look at um really especially in texas you know there's a national defense area that

00:29:53.820 was created from california all the way to about el paso and then a little portion on the river in

00:29:59.420 the rio grande like in the rio grande valley sector area but for the majority of texas border

00:30:05.980 um it is all private property therefore a national defense area cannot be established unless you enact

00:30:13.100 eminent domain so what ends up happening and that's why you're seeing a lot of cartel battles

00:30:17.740 to the south of us shifting uh to make texas the center of gravity in terms of smuggling into the

00:30:23.180 united states now what are they smuggling well we know that fentanyl is down because really the only two

00:30:29.020 products that we're looking at and unfortunately i say products are human beings that give themselves up

00:30:34.700 the mass migration and then fentanyl but what is actually increasing well that's cocaine and crystal

00:30:42.060 meth uh dramatically increased you look at the street prices of both of those dramatically depressed

00:30:48.380 because of how much product is actually actually coming in right now we don't have and you say policy

00:30:54.700 but we have to go past policy not only do we have to take those policies but we have to codify them in

00:30:59.100 law which congress is slow rolling therefore states are going to have to enact policies uh the state

00:31:05.500 of texas is going to have to enact policies um since we do have uh defensive war powers uh that are

00:31:12.300 constitutional as well not just state police powers um and so uh the states are going to have to do

00:31:19.020 a lot more in terms of that but pass the policies and pass the codification of law look uh right now we

00:31:25.740 don't have 100 domain awareness of the border what i mean by that is we still can't understand who what

00:31:32.700 where why how or everything that is coming across our southern border still to this day you're having

00:31:38.140 border patrol agents still track as i don't know if you guys have been hunting before but whenever you

00:31:43.260 track an animal hunting you you to you know the the patterns uh their hooves you know maybe broken

00:31:48.460 leaves or whatnot we're still doing that same thing on our southern border and that's why you're still

00:31:53.740 seeing if you go to dps's website if you go to lieutenant uh uh uh olivares he's the dps pao you

00:32:02.380 follow him you follow thad uh cleveland he's a sheriff out of one of the counties in the west texas you'll

00:32:09.820 see that illegal aliens are coming across on the daily they're all camouflaged up they still have carpet

00:32:15.980 booties on their feet and that is because they're doing that and they're able to do that because we

00:32:20.620 still can't determine based off the technology that we have on our border who's coming across

00:32:24.940 especially drones look uh the norad commander came out and said that we can't even determine

00:32:29.820 all the drones that are coming across our military installations let alone what's coming across our

00:32:34.540 border and when you look at what the cartels are utilizing now they sent mexican cartels to the

00:32:40.060 ukraine uh russian war uh to understand yeah to understand how the ukrainians are not only

00:32:47.820 countering uh the russians in terms of drone warfare but also how they're enacting certain

00:32:52.460 patterns so that they can't be countered so now what we're seeing in mexico we're seeing that fiber

00:32:57.740 optic drones are being utilized especially by uh cartel holiska new generation uh by cartel del noreste

00:33:05.100 which is south of nuevo laredo and so we're starting to see that so to this day we don't have domain

00:33:11.500 awareness and if we can't if we don't have domain awareness and if that those structures are not

00:33:15.980 permanently in place we still we don't have situation awareness we still don't know all

00:33:22.060 the smuggling organizations that exist at our border to the interior especially also in our coast

00:33:27.900 we we don't have a complete understanding of that and we're not going to have a complete

00:33:31.180 understanding have they're getting all these products across so it's it's an evolving warfare

00:33:36.300 situation is what you're saying and the us is falling behind we are falling behind um i know we just

00:33:42.300 came out to dhs just came out and said that they have a new program um to to expedite the process

00:33:48.700 of procuring uh drones like a technology transfer right now uh but when you go down to the if you

00:33:55.500 guys go down to the border in fact if you want to tppf we'll take you down to the border uh we'll show

00:34:00.460 you that sounds great we'll show you things that you're not going to see uh we'll embed you with

00:34:06.300 operation loan start task force to see how sheriff boyd had to create a task force because he was not

00:34:12.140 getting any assistance and he had 16 cartel satellite sites in his small county wow and so we'll let you

00:34:17.740 embed with them pearson specializes in borders if there's a border anywhere the better the better

00:34:24.300 we'll be right back with amin blair a senior fellow at the texas a policy institute also a former

00:34:30.140 member of the border patrol and a united states army veteran we're going to get more into your experience

00:34:35.500 in the border patrol and what's happening on the border after a quick break winter is here that

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00:35:13.420 forward slash matt save 10 with code matt 10 today and we are back with amin blair of the texas public

00:35:20.540 policy institute and also my co-host pearson sharp pearson take it away so right before we left off there

00:35:26.540 you were saying basically that you know this is an evolving war and that we are falling behind and so

00:35:32.540 i just i cannot wrap my head around the fact that what you're saying is essentially the u.s

00:35:37.340 is not as advanced as mexican cartel members you know we could be that's a great question we have never

00:35:46.300 treated the mexican cartels as foreign terrorist organizations uh we have treated them as only mere

00:35:51.820 criminals or drug trafficking organizations uh we refuse to continue to look at their past look the

00:35:59.100 cartels have been foreign terrorist organizations really since the early 2000s um when you had the

00:36:05.420 zetas uh at their prime in fact it was in 2011 that tamalipas declared themselves ungovernable because

00:36:13.340 of the zetas cartel um and that's where if any of your audience still has netflix if you guys haven't

00:36:19.020 banned that or shadow banned that um you can go on to that uh you can go on a necklace and they have

00:36:24.300 a tv series called los somos and it's about the entire city of allende allende was completely taken

00:36:30.620 over the cartels and the cartels killed every single person in that small town and that was around 2010

00:36:36.700 2011 area when that entire process happened that's when they declared themselves ungovernable well in the

00:36:42.540 state of texas we were trying to push back because we're trying to figure out hey nothing's happening

00:36:47.740 the the federal government refuses to acknowledge that the cartels are foreign terrorist organizations

00:36:52.060 so they hired two retired generals to do a military assessment of the border um so they came down did

00:36:58.060 that a military assessment and like wow um you're exactly right they are foreign terrorist organizations

00:37:04.700 from a military uh perspective uh they wrote that strategic threat assessment which is still on our

00:37:09.980 texas department of agriculture website um and then they went and testified in front of the house

00:37:15.020 or or the our legislature as well as congress so are you saying the situation's getting better

00:37:19.340 things are improving you think no they're completely worse so back then they were foreign terrorist

00:37:24.300 organizations they were foreign terrorist organizations now they're parallel governor uh they have uh

00:37:30.780 parallel governance from the sub-national level all the way to the national level um and i think

00:37:35.500 they've had that for a while i i think they've had that since for several presidents i mean they're

00:37:40.540 there there you go a few presidents back and you find folks who've taken some pretty substantial bribes

00:37:45.180 from the sinaloa cartel you've talked about the cartels capabilities and and this is an uncomfortable

00:37:51.020 question but to what extent did you observe cartel infiltration of cbp when you were there to what

00:37:59.260 extent were you aware of it yeah it's it's bad um explain that yeah as much granular detail as you

00:38:08.220 as you are willing to need details on that yeah okay so i came off active duty i was an air assault

00:38:14.060 instructor out of fort benning georgia came straight from army into the border patrol in 2013 under

00:38:19.740 obama and um i really didn't know what the border was i came down there after graduating and after fto

00:38:27.820 um and i got assigned it was like my first week out in the field after um training and i got assigned to

00:38:34.060 a a seasoned guy um who was great at interdicting narcotics and he came up to me he's like hey man

00:38:41.180 your your prior service you're your veteran i was like yeah he's like all right um do you have

00:38:46.140 camouflage i was like uh no i mean we're not technically allowed to wear it because he

00:38:53.900 you have to show your badges and everything else like that and he's like all right well i'm gonna get

00:38:57.180 you some i was like all right man this is weird and and so um we we donned it on we put it on and

00:39:04.700 then he's like all right so we're gonna park our vehicle like five miles away from the area that we

00:39:08.860 need to go and then we're gonna have another border patrol agent uh come and pick us up while he's

00:39:13.820 driving and we're just gonna hop in his vehicle while while they're driving i was like dude this is

00:39:18.300 weird man and he's like oh yeah and you have to turn your radio off you are to be radio silent this

00:39:24.220 entire time why it's like this because of corrupt agents wow so the good agents know

00:39:33.740 in border patrol that there are corrupt agents who are watching their moves and reporting back to the

00:39:39.740 to the narcos yeah what percentage i was just gonna say percentage of cb how prevalent is this is

00:39:45.260 compromised it's everywhere um it's it's in your that the the cartels operate like foreign uh

00:39:51.980 intelligence service agent like they they they use a bribery they use any forms necessary to corrupt

00:39:59.420 or coerce uh whether that's local law enforcement your your local judges uh you name it and then also

00:40:05.980 your federal agents um it happens all the time uh we call it trust betrayed uh but imagine if you were

00:40:12.140 in the military you went overseas and you're fighting uh al-qaeda and but the guy next to you

00:40:19.180 um is working with him uh with the enemy at the same time and he's also an american so that's kind

00:40:25.500 of how it was on the border for me as a veteran it uh really impacted me um and so eventually later

00:40:32.300 um we didn't i didn't use radio comms um uh we we were going to this site area and then all of a sudden

00:40:40.140 we heard gunfire and we thought they were getting shot at uh so we laid low for a little bit when he said

00:40:45.820 don't get on the radio and call that out so we didn't um and then a few hours went by and then

00:40:52.380 lo and behold here comes the narcotics across we got 1300 pounds of narcotics um and uh nothing was

00:40:59.740 ever said on the radio he called everything on his own cell phone and now they use encrypted apps

00:41:05.340 so the same thing is happening today uh you do you ever personally encounter or see agents who had

00:41:12.620 been compromised did you ever meet someone like that or even suspected just by their conduct or

00:41:17.020 fine situation yeah what happened uh so you'll you'll you'll try to work uh like narcotic smuggling

00:41:24.460 case and all of a sudden you'll have agents blowing the area so you got to realize on the border you

00:41:30.700 have everyone's a scout so they had not only do they have drones up in the air scouting all border

00:41:36.060 control operations uh they also have scouts within the neighborhoods even your even your grandmas and

00:41:41.660 grandpas um you have everyone scouting you'll have scouts all along the highway 83 um in vehicles

00:41:50.060 cloaked vehicles sitting at gas stations counting measuring see where every border agent is at or

00:41:56.060 dea or anyone who's operating in that area or dps or local law enforcement that is not corrupt and so

00:42:01.980 there there there are sensors everywhere and and so you'll you'll be doing an operation you'll be like

00:42:08.460 hey we're running this operation it was made known to the watch commander and then all of a sudden

00:42:14.380 here comes this border agent that comes in and screeching into the area and just blows the entire

00:42:19.260 operation the narcotics never come across or they're pushed back or you have agents that completely

00:42:24.380 blow blow operations that go in make sure that the load is not caught um this happens all the time

00:42:30.300 what's said to agents who do that like what happens afterwards yeah you would think people would

00:42:33.900 start to realize if there were certain uh guys or gals who were always involved in that type of a fact

00:42:41.020 pattern yeah that suspicion would surround them you would think so but to make a case against the agent

00:42:48.140 it takes the fbi we're not talking about a case we're talking about unit cohesion and how the rest of the

00:42:54.380 people interact with that unofficially you guys know no unfortunately per shift the only unit cohesion

00:43:03.340 is the ones you make within the shift you can only you only work with those guys that you trust

00:43:09.500 um and then you set up your own encrypted communications a lot of times guys are setting

00:43:14.940 up their own camera systems on the border because they don't trust uh the the camera systems there

00:43:20.620 because they're compromised just you name it it is a complete lack of trust uh because of how much

00:43:26.460 corruption is on the border and so there's no like there's no system there's no how do you catch them

00:43:32.780 how do you catch them like yeah exactly i mean there is a system and and of course uh they work hand in

00:43:38.780 hand uh we have investigative arms within the within cbp and also border patrol um you can also turn

00:43:45.580 them in you can jick them is what we call it it's a formal investigation into an agent based off of

00:43:50.540 his corruption patterns uh and so a lot of times they'll do that um um other times they just

00:43:57.260 allow them just to continue to work um uh or uh wow it's just a weird culture and dynamic uh that is

00:44:06.620 just completely separate from what i saw as uh as a military veteran going in i want to i want to ask you

00:44:13.020 about these cartels you've mentioned a few of them trinda aragua sinaloa uh you know the next gen zetas all

00:44:20.060 all these different groups give us like a power ranking right now as we as we sit here in 2026

00:44:26.380 who is ascendant cartel playoffs yeah where where are they well i i think it's very interesting as

00:44:32.700 the trump administration is taking this very muscular and aggressive posture in the americas

00:44:37.500 to think about who the rising powers are and and maybe who the diminishing powers are in in cartel world

00:44:43.740 yeah great question so you have the gulf cartel uh that's going to be at the bottom portion of texas

00:44:48.780 they did splinter on the bite administration um and a little into the previous trump administration

00:44:54.300 into four factions now you can see that they're now um starting to tie back together um but the

00:45:01.900 the largest one and probably the most of a hyper violent is cartel holiska new generation cgng

00:45:06.780 they also control a majority of the agriculture trade so even though like fentanyl numbers are maybe

00:45:11.500 going down but as long as our imports from mexico are continuously increasing because we can't feed

00:45:17.180 ourselves because our our food system um is at the point where mostly it's monoculture and and you

00:45:24.060 name it so we now have are dependent on mexico to feed us in other countries but because the cartels

00:45:29.100 control a lot of the ag products now so our our fentanyl may be decreasing but um our levels of imports

00:45:37.420 from other commodities that may be licit not illicit are increasing so uh their profits are still steadily

00:45:44.300 increasing so cartel holiska new generation um is probably the most hyper violent and largest as

00:45:49.260 well and that is because sinaloa cartel has completely splintered into two um in one faction

00:45:55.660 of the sinaloa cartel has now uh works is starting to work with a cartel holiska new generation and then

00:46:01.900 the other faction is starting to work with other cartels uh to make carteles unidos like a large super

00:46:08.460 uh cartel uh but then at the end of the day the mexican government is a cartel yeah and and so

00:46:16.540 it's so true in in terms of large and capacity like the amount of capacity unfortunately uh the majority

00:46:25.020 of uh conservative think tanks um other organizations refuse to call that out uh we are one of the a few

00:46:33.100 conservative think tanks that state that mexico does not operate as an ally that mexico should be

00:46:39.420 a part of u.s southcom and not part of u.s northcom um we are not dealing with the 1990s colombia uh where

00:46:47.100 it's the colombian government versus an insurgency like the medellin cartel or the cali cartel we're

00:46:52.220 dealing with a rich afghanistan next door where the there's such a symbiotic relationship between the

00:46:58.620 the cartels in the government both at the all the way down to the bottom all the way to the

00:47:02.940 top um and so that's that's the biggest difference is um if we continue to uh allow uh the mexican

00:47:11.740 government to say that we're we're working with the trump administration because the fentanyl labs are

00:47:15.980 down um but if we continue to separate uh the cartels and their actions and our actions against

00:47:22.860 them as tactical wins we're going to strategically lose just like we didn't have games that that is

00:47:28.460 that is such a compelling and persuasive case for the authorization of military force within mexico

00:47:36.060 whether whether the mexican government agrees with it or not because the principal argument against

00:47:40.860 the use of that force is that you turn this ally into a great foe and what i'm not an ally what i

00:47:47.180 think uh i mean correctly laid out is that that's just not a thing it's it's been my opinion for a long

00:47:52.940 time that we are actively at war with mexico but it's it's not been declared um but my question for

00:48:00.220 you is the mexican president is she hostage to these cartels or is she a cooperative willing member

00:48:08.860 cooperative willing member so so let me let me say what what the opposite theory is on that that i've

00:48:14.220 heard the way amlo who definitely is uh uh aligned in interest with a lot of these cartels if you just

00:48:22.940 look at his public statements in favor of people who've been charged with crimes in the united states

00:48:26.940 that were that were aligned with this government but amlo puts a time bomb in the mexican legislative

00:48:32.780 assembly that gives them this special power over shine bomb you know her first couple years in office

00:48:39.500 and then on the back nine of this presidential term she gets more flexibility and so the theory in the

00:48:45.740 state department is we're going to get a better version of shine bomb after she clears this this

00:48:51.340 hurdle in time i don't know if that's true or not it's the argument i mean that risks her life i make

00:48:55.820 the argument that amin made uh and and and they make the other one what do you what do you think about

00:48:59.740 that mr player yeah so really i would ask uh all of your audience to look up the the congresswoman uh

00:49:06.780 literally tayez out of mexico uh she's one of the only ones the one of the only voices that

00:49:12.300 is calling out uh shine bomb uh she's the only one that's making making the statement in fact we had

00:49:18.700 a us mexico uh summit in dc and we invited uh the um congresswoman tayez uh into dc and she her testimony

00:49:29.820 there and now i should share it with you guys was probably the highlight of the entire uh program

00:49:36.060 because her words um actually stood against the two ambassadors that also spoke there wow

00:49:42.220 because her days are numbered is what you're saying yes they're already trying to mexico's

00:49:46.620 already trying to get her for treason um and so she's under protective status because really she's

00:49:52.220 fighting against uh a large cartel their government and then they're also the cartels that have a

00:49:57.500 symbiotic relationship that allow mexico to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world it's

00:50:03.100 not iran it's mexico and and so when you look at that it's a hot take but i bet when you look at how

00:50:12.300 many countries the cartels are in they are in 65 countries right now and uh just a few months ago it

00:50:20.060 was germany um and poland that had to do a a counter cartel operation on their border uh to counter the

00:50:28.140 mexican cartels they had a massive meth lab um right there and so when we realized that um how powerful

00:50:35.420 the cartels are globally and we realized that they all their headquarters are inside mexico and that it

00:50:44.300 is a complete sanctuary and that mexico as a government um gains financial um uh um favor because of their

00:50:56.140 operations both illicit and illicit uh then you'll realize that they are the largest state sponsor of

00:51:01.500 terrorism it's not iran wow well uh unfortunately we have to leave it there an incredible discussion

00:51:07.340 amin blair uh someone who served in the united states army also served in in our customs and and

00:51:13.900 border protection uh amin where can folks go to continue to follow your work yeah sure they can go to

00:51:19.820 texaspolicy.com you can follow us there you can go to my x page uh amin s blair as well um and then

00:51:27.900 that's where we do a lot of our research uh we're like i said we're one of the only uh uh conservative

00:51:33.660 uh think tanks that uh make that direct statement that mexico has not been operating as an ally and so

00:51:40.860 you can find all of our research there all of our uh official public statements uh on those facts uh

00:51:46.540 there at our website well thank you so much for joining us on anchorman and we'll be back next week

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The Anchormen Show Episode 93 - Wolves in the Henhouse w： Pearson Sharp & Ammon Blair

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