The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz ｜ Episode 9
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In this episode of the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gates and Dan Ball, we take a trip around the world to provide context and analysis from the major flashpoint areas in the world, including China, the Middle East, and North America.
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now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and dan ball
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welcome back to the anchorman show i'm matt gates and we want to thank you for your incredible
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listenership and viewership hundreds of thousands of audio listens on our platforms
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millions of views on social media on one america news and throughout and you want so much anchorman
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we're doubling it up for you so the bad news is the fact that you're hearing from me now on this set
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does not mean it's friday you did not skip forward a day it is indeed thursday but i'm going to be
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hosting a version of this show that you'll see on thursdays and then tomorrow if you have not had
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enough anchorman my buddy dan ball will be here with some of our friends and the reason we're doing
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this is because the number one feedback we got was people wanted more than one episode a week and we
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wanted the chance to platform some more of the terrific talent that we have here at one american
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news and a lot of our friends that chat about the news of the day with us and i got a few of my
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buddies here with me tonight the producer booker og guru of the matt gates show vish burrah he was the
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founding producer of bannon's war room worked on my congressional staff worked on george santos's
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congressional staff and good to have you here at oan and also our outstanding investigative reporter
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pearson sharp the host of the sharp report that you catch on one america news he's been putting out
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some incredible original reporting and tonight what we're going to do is a little different we're
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going to take a trip around the world at the end of this episode you're going to have a little bit of
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context and perspective and analysis from the major flashpoint areas and as pearson and i were talking
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about this earlier today whether you look at the global south asia the middle east what's happening
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in north america reinvigorated is there a common theme to what we see going on throughout the world
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and we'll tease that out and then guess what when you've got the next discussion about global affairs
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you're going to be the smartest person there so i kind of wanted to start uh with our pacing challenge
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which is in asia it's china pearson you've spent time living in china you uh you shared on an earlier
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episode of anchorman that people should check out some of your experiences being approached by the
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chinese embassy to talk about your reporting and you gave perspective culturally on the place but as you
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look geopolitically their goals their ambitions uh what we've seen in deep seek seems to be a complete
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game changer regarding their investment model you know it used to be that china uh never really had
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to innovate because they just stole stuff and if we weren't enforcing their stealing of stuff they
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didn't have to have an innovation economy now you are seeing innovations like the number one social
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media app in the world tiktok or like possibly the strongest ai engine developed deep seek coming out
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of china how do you analyze that as someone who's who's been there and seen it up close
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it is interesting to watch it happen uh obviously these technologies are piggybacking off of what
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we've done before um their iterations of what came before and arguably they've been more successful at
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least tiktok um deep seek i'm not sure it seems vulnerable and compromised i mean we obviously know
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it's a tool uh of the ccp so how that could exactly compete with grok or chat gpt on an even playing
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field you're not going to get the same answers you're not going to get the same information
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as far as industrial uses or things like that i don't know i don't know the capabilities
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but are we really stopping them from getting our technology i mean how many eric swalwells are out
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there that we don't know about how many chinese infiltrating our universities how many people are
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just happy to take a buck and say yeah this is the project i've been working on for the dod you can
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peek at it i don't know i don't can we contain those leaks i i'm very pessimistic about that so what do
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you do in a world in which you can't if you assume that there's so much openness we just saw these we
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saw cash patel's fbi round up these folks who are in the army and doing precisely what you were
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saying sharing information with the chinese do we have to build a resilience that isn't dependent upon
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stopping that but rather containing it in some way i think we can contain it at least much better than
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we have and i think your points that you brought up are very salient the issue is how extreme do we
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want to go and my concern here as with almost everything in our government is that
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the politicians and i'm sure you're aware of this are held hostage by public opinion
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and a lot of times you'll want to do something more extreme than you're allowed to do but also i think we
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have a lot of weak leaders right now that are afraid to take the steps that they need to like
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mitch mcconnell's you know people like that mitch mcconnell who in every government funding bill
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was lobbying for more of the visas that rich chinese could buy to get into the united states
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that was a you always knew mitch's apparatus was behind getting getting more of uh of that type of
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influence into the united states but but but i before i get vicious take on this having lived in china
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do you have a perspective on like the ambitions of the chinese people and do you think those match
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what you report on and see and interact with with their government uh yes and i want to backtrack
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one second i think that we need to be to contain this i think we need to be a lot more extreme
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than we have been and i think we need to successfully take care of it do things that
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are not popular in public opinion but you know i'm i'm kind of a guillotine you know solution
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kind of guy we got to go extreme we got to behead the monster and who cares what the public
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thinks about it if you really want a solution that's what it takes well i know you're speaking
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metaphorically because you're not talking about actually beheading people but right no it's it's
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a legal uh and i think someone i think i read someone in the trump administration was actually
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talking about um not allowing chinese nationals into our institutions into our universities and stuff
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into these top secret programs um which is a good start but anyway to answer your second
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question when i lived there i was astonished at the lack of
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personal initiative at creativity at just innovation everybody there was uh and this is cultural this is
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driven by the communist party that's what communism does it destroys creativity um no one there can can
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have an independent thought everything is group think it's a hive mind they they can't come up with
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anything on their own i was a teacher at a university and i would give them class projects
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and they just they didn't know where to begin they didn't know what to do they couldn't they
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couldn't handle it they would have to eventually like copy off of each other or cheat or um even down
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to like something super simple they cheat at everything and everything that they were involved in they
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cheated and i went outside one time and i had them play you know we're just goofing around i taught
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them red rover they were cheating at red rover i don't even know how you cheated red rover i don't
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i mean yeah they would just lie about who who ran first and who got through and it's like
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dude like what are you doing this is ridiculous but that's like an example of the level of mindset
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that they have and i think that scales upwards and if they can't steal from us they're going to be in
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big trouble so you're not buying china as a future innovation center you think it goes back to a
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steal what they can manufacture cheap dump and destroy industry until they can convert to capitalism cap
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america is the only country in the world it's really innovating i don't know i don't know the world i don't
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know communism crushes that i think that china is embracing a blend of that and and i i don't count
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them out that much on innovation vish as you look at asia and we're talking about innovation and
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manufacturing like what i remember from being a kid is how much stuff in my house used to say made in
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japan on it we've seen japan disappear as a power center in in asia they're largely a ceremonial ally
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and uh their industrial base has been vanquished their population is aging uh what what do we
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do in an asia where japan isn't a hegemonic balance against china as we've seen previously
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well i think first of all we need to we need to go back to strengthening our relationship with japan
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on these terms whether it's innovation or um you know manufacturing like you said i want one of my
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favorite uh scenes from back to the future was when they go i i think and see uh something was made in
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japan though the professor sees it and he said oh it doesn't i don't think that this would work and
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he says something to the effect of of course well of course it's made in japan they make all the best
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stuff or more marty mcfly says says that so you know that was the reputation that it had you know
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especially even culturally right for for 40 50 years in america and that fell off but i don't think
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that japan is not still do i think they're still innovating but for their own people and i don't
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and i think that it's it's now more expensive or not like cost efficient for them to work with the
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world anymore uh in terms of exporting that stuff because there's so many cheap chinese products on the
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market that are comparable there's so many cheap you know made in india made in bangladesh products
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that are comparable so i think that that's one of the one of the things that has decreased um you
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know japan's sort of partnership in this manufacturing innovation space with the rest of the world is the
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rest of the world's increase in doing business with china and uh india and these places and so i think
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that there's certainly we i would like to see some kind of innovation sharing with well not not
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necessarily sharing but like coming together collaborate and collaboration uh with japan and
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um to to kind of add to the top of that i don't mind doing that with japan because japan i feel is
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is a very honor built society their whole sort of ethos samurai society yeah it's it's built on that
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ethos what you're when you were talking i was thinking though the difference between japan and china
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though is that other countries america germany other countries are going into china and having
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things that they design built there china is not designing these things that's right with japan
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japan was designing them they were japanese in-house built i don't i'm not sure i understand
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how that changed or like what happened why that fell off but i think that's an important distinction
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i had a former staff member who said that in japan like social media so uh evaporated the cultural
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features of society that we turned a nation of samurai warriors into a society of hello kitty freaks
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well i kind of believe that i i kind of believe that um and you know i think that obviously they have
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really crushing sort of parameters on their their economy and their their their you know budgets
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and their deficits they've basically have been running at deficits for like they've become a welfare state
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yeah left for decades now and so i think that also hampers what they're able to do the same way
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uh we're seeing family formation and stuff in america be be sort of pushed down upon with downward
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pressures on deficits and all this stuff right and so that i think that there is a correlation to that
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ultimately that the check on china becomes india no i don't think so i i think that there has to be a
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a i think it has to be everything right like so my my understanding uh edward look back is a great
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like geopolitical um a strategist type who i've listened to on this and one thing he points out
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is that china the thing that it has uh you know that has maintained throughout its thousands of years
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of history of civilization is that it's really really bad with its neighbors right it just doesn't know
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how to get along with its neighbors and so if you encircle china by having good relationships with
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everybody around it that can possibly keep china they're not good at conquering other people right
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they're not but that's not how they that was obama's argument that's why obama tried to execute
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these free trade agreements throughout south asia uh with vietnam with cambodia with laos and it was
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the thing that united republicans and democrats everyone from paul ryan and nancy pelosi right
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and was against that just what you just described right but who blew blew the big hole on that who
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was the the head of the pivot to asia at that time it was the bidens right and so the bidens come in
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and say i know obama's saying all this stuff about that but we got you don't worry we're going to make
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sure that this relationship flourishes and that will be the valet to this aspect well let me throw out
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a hypothesis then and you guys can attack it or agree with it what vish described happening to
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japan uh getting resorbed into the chinese economy in a lot of ways and having to react to the changing
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chinese economy has essentially happened to every country in the region there's no powerful nationalistic
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force there's no real um kinetic deterrent to china in the south china sea or in the straits of taiwan
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that that china really is the the driving force and they've they've already taken asia they've
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already taken asia and now they're on to africa and beyond agree or disagree with the premise
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pearson yeah i would agree with that vish i agree with that but i don't think that that's as much
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bad news as we think i don't think it's the end of the story yeah i don't right i go ahead you
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want to know yeah so i think i think that yes this is happening china has you know essentially kind of
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conquered asia and moved on to africa but i think that there is more awareness now about the the china
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problem let's say than there was just you know eight to ten years ago especially post covid i mean
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when you consider the i think we still don't understand the ramifications of covid and how
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it's pretty much traumatized the entire world and when people consider how this thing started
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the answer goes back to china and i think that people still feel like china hasn't really paid
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its price for what it's done through covid and so i think that that is always going to have to
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when you're the banker for 37 of the world's economy make them well that that's why the united
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states is so important that's why donald trump coming in is so important with you know joe biden
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sitting there in in the in the waking moments of covid at that time and his bumbling administration
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and the democrats there i think that they certainly didn't do enough we know the cozy relationship
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with biden's and china and that's why nothing was done when it should have been that that was the
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prime time to do it but now i think for a long-term solution and understanding and mindset and ethos
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uh with donald trump coming in the new uh cabinet coming in as well marco rubio
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is is not really someone who's friendly with with uh china in that no he's a china hawk i mean
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he came out of the intel community right how do you think it's not the end of the story kirsten
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well it's not necessarily a good thing um i think china views like you said they have a very long
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history and i think they view this in terms of the long game and globally
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elements of the deep state are all over the place and we have radical communist underpinnings in a lot
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of western governments a lot of the traditional opposition to china that would have kept china in
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check and i think even though trump is in office right now china probably views this as a temporary
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setback and that they can you know ride out the next couple of years and trump will be gone and
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they'll have someone else they can control another biden yeah and they made tremendous gains um during
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the biden time not only in our country like you mentioned with the compromise of our politicians
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the compromise of our industries the compromise of our ports the compromise of our defense
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supply chain the compromise of our medical supply chain we're the world's pantry all of these things
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well that's why we got to be medically resilient uh rfk jr has called it out big pharma and the
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government work together to suppress treatments like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine why because if
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they admitted those treatments worked they couldn't rush through the covet vaccine let's be honest big
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pharma wasn't about to let effective alternatives cut into their billion dollar payday they didn't just
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push the vaccine they made sure you had no other options big pharma wanted to be in charge of your
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health not you they wanted total control and they used the government to get it that's why i trust all
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family pharmacy they provide ivermectin hydroxychloroquine antibiotics vitamins so much more the very
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medications that others try to keep out of your hands you can get them without red tape without corporate
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pressure just real options and it's not just emergency meds you can even get your everyday
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maintenance medications as well just go to allfamilypharmacy.com forward slash matt use code matt10
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for 10 off don't wait be prepared take back control of your health care so one of the places where
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where i think geopolitical strategies playing out in real politic is in africa and what happens in
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africa is china shows up with suitcases full of american cash u.s dollars and they bribe people and
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russia shows up with a whole lot of muscle that can keep you in power in exchange for access to mining
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and the united states shows up training your military that's our big thing we can train your military
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we can get your military more capable well if you look at a lot of the places in africa that have
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endured military coups we have trained the coup leaders in guyana in burkina faso in mali in niger
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it is in in in the ivory coast you get the military junta and if you you don't have to pull the thread on
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the sweater very far before there's u.s involvement in training those very people now i've pointed that
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that out extensively and some people say well that's the way it should be matt that's the way
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it should be because we're not if we can't show up and bribe people and we're not going to show up
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and like ethnically cleanse the minorities in your country that you don't like then then maybe
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the coup thing is our game i don't know why why can't we show up and bribe people well should we is
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that your is is your vision for 2025 american colonialism that we show up with our own cash and just try to
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i'm a very different minds on this issue one i in my heart i'm an isolationist i don't think we should
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be involved anywhere at all but in the real world i mean we obviously are there's these problems that
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we need to fix and we created a lot of them so in africa i think we have an opportunity to fight
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back against china whatever they can do we can do 100 times better and i think rather than setting
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up these military juntas and stuff and training these people i think we could come in with a lot
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of cash and a lot of incentives and instead of taking the chinese approach where you offer the
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country something and then once they accept it they're in your debt forever because they can never
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pay it back and you basically enslave them instead of a belt and road initiative we'll have a liberty
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initiative and we come in there and we help them get established economically we do what america does
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on paper in the movies we be the good guys and we help them get ahead and i think that could that could do
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a lot for us going back to our there's a great opportunity to going back to our earlier conversation
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today the democratic republic of congo is really in bed with china right now and they're helping them
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out with a lot of the rare earth minerals like we talked about the u.s needs those the same time
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congo right now is asking the u.s for help with this military situation they have with these rebels
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they're asking for help that is a perfect opportunity to go in there get some rare earth minerals get rid
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of the rebels and then what we're tied down and the isolationist on the couch just told me that we
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need to get tied down in some right congolese civil war i would love to pull back out of everywhere i'd
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love to get u.s troops i am an i am an isolationist and let's go but i'm a realist too and we're already
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over in these conflicts china is doing things that directly affect us they are they are taking actions
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against our national interests and so we can be isolationist and pretend that's not happening or we
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can fight back in what i think is the most realistic way you know in my other heart of hearts i say bomb
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everybody and let god figure it out but you know that also is a metaphor for anyone who's a youtube
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monitor listening to that discussion so so vish uh is pearson right should we just bribe people and by
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the way one could make the argument that president trump is ready to play bare knuckles tactics here
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president trump has functionally ceased enforcement of the foreign corrupt practices act and i think that's
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because he saw the ways in which chinese companies were beating out american companies because under
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you know some uh really intense application of that law you go buy you go upgrade someone's flight to
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turkey like eric adams and if it's a foreign leader you could find yourself on the other end of a really
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aggressive department of justice whereas trump says maybe a little more wheeling and dealing what do you
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think yeah absolutely i think that that for for as long as i've at least paid attention to american
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foreign policy like we don't do this kind of like global statecraft very well right like just just think
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like we instead who does it the best who's the the best in history has been the british empire
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right and in in how they handle these these local populations and and play different ethnic conflicts
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between each other coming from an indian well we know it the best but well i mean but they but
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that's because they were studied they understood the different conflicts between tribes and ethnicities
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and played them off each other to get what they wanted for their empire at the end of the day they
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understood the objective and did whatever it took for their people we don't do enough of that instead
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we're we're going there and saying we're just going to america everything that you know we come
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into contact with let's really know what that but we don't even know what that means and we're not
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even giving them what they want and so you know that's the oh like really like who is going to be
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moved no i don't think uganda does how much how much are like you know just how much are we willing
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to spend on building uh schools for girls in afghanistan and then the the first thing that
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these people did as soon as we pulled out they went and destroyed those schools right and so like
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that that's not what they want hold on right there because i think that is a frailty in what what
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pearson laid out which is like we can give these people a path to um western markets to more economic
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growth and what we're seeing is one they don't necessarily believe us because so much of our foreign
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policy has pivoted to exporting wokeness and then subsequently to to your point it's not really
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what they want when the other person has a suitcase full of cash because you know what you can think
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you have that long-term right to that african cobalt mine but the next time if it's china's people
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who train the coup leaders instead of the americans and they're the ones in charge they're going to
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throw you out anyway which by the way is pretty close to what happened in niger where the russians
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were backing a particular group that took over they threw out the americans we had a you know
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nine-figure military base that we built in niger and then we got thrown out by the scruff of our neck
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because other people played the game tougher that's right and so so you know we and and another thing is
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like oh you know well there's all these radicals you know in these countries that we need to you know
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uh get get control of or show them a better way and so you know what we're going to do we're going
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to take these people and uh we're going to transition them into desk jobs and and nine to
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fives at mcdonald's right and then and there and what guess what they're going to work at a job right
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that right and they and they think that this is going to solve the the the fire of what those people
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wanted in the first place no it's just a complete misunderstanding of the region of the people of
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everything and we consider who are we even sending in to do this this sort of statecraft on our behalf
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and it's like the alissa slotkins of the world right and like these these these sort of cia soccer moms
00:26:32.300
as i call them and and even the lady who got the cia station blown up in afghanistan right she didn't
00:26:39.900
know who she was talking to she was she ended up being played by an al-qaeda operative right and who
00:26:45.320
ended up using her to blow out the rest of his enemies and then and then and then blew them out
00:26:51.220
the two so like that we're just not understand we're not doing the homework in terms of can we
00:26:56.620
though pearson do you think we can do you think that if we were sufficiently capable that we could
00:27:02.920
play this type of global chess because while i'm not an isolationist i try to be a realist and the
00:27:08.960
notion that we're going to be able to do that at this stage of the game in africa just seems very
00:27:14.140
low to me what was the question there no the the question is do you think that we can get enough
00:27:22.940
statecraft to be able to successfully move the pieces into place so that around the world we have
00:27:29.340
friendly governments to work with i think vish is right i don't think we know how to do that
00:27:33.800
i think if you had the right people in there i think trump has an instinct for that but he's
00:27:41.900
surrounded by too many people who have other ambitions we have this well hold on let's let's
00:27:47.360
talk about some of those people uh we we've had as one of the big news stories this week this signal
00:27:52.720
chat and we chat about it on our show um and it is all the talk of washington it's to me it seems
00:28:00.480
mostly much ado about nothing this was a successful operation people were communicating about it but
00:28:06.880
uh what's your take is this a is this story overblown or do you think uh you know appropriate
00:28:12.400
attention and concern given well i think in this situation it doesn't seem like there was any negative
00:28:18.100
consequences that came out of it that we know of but it definitely exposes a vulnerability
00:28:24.020
and i think it's a valid concern that people are just chit-chatting on non-government non
00:28:30.560
you know officially secured channels about this kind of thing i mean isn't that sort of what hillary
00:28:35.060
was in trouble for and she was talking using these emails well but she wasn't using an encrypted
00:28:39.300
app that was provided to the cia which is what signal is she was just using her own email server
00:28:44.680
to avoid it's it's still concerning and and and what we discussed earlier i what waltz did is
00:28:51.660
especially concerning why does what what waltz did especially concern you well he doesn't seem to be
00:28:58.420
the most trumpian of people and i think he probably has agendas that run counter to maybe what some of
00:29:06.640
the things that trump wants to do and the fact that he brought this guy on he probably had his name
00:29:13.000
changed in there for a reason and i don't think it was a good reason so i don't trust him and i think
00:29:17.660
that he should be fired for this vish burrah the the story we get from waltz and and i don't have
00:29:23.260
a reason not to believe him though pearson you know makes a logical point uh is that he had
00:29:30.960
jeffrey goldberg's name in his phone under a different description not jeffrey goldberg but
00:29:39.300
something else have you ever in your phone ever had someone else's number uh than the name that
00:29:47.220
was reflected has that ever been something you've done yes but it's for completely different reasons
00:29:51.760
but but well is it because what were the reasons you ever had someone's number in your phone but
00:29:56.660
what were the reasons well usually because i didn't want somebody in my closer nexus finding out who i'm
00:30:04.380
talking to is closer if if they were if it were to ever get out you know that i'm texting with
00:30:10.800
x person or i'm speaking with x person i didn't want people to know especially people very close to me
00:30:17.400
if they ever got their hands on my phone or my messages that i was speaking to that person and so
00:30:22.700
that's why i would uh change their name right it would come up as uh you know the local pizza joint
00:30:29.280
or something like that or just something very vague texting a lot with so so hold on but i want to test
00:30:35.220
the point pearson just a minute do you think that was what was happening with michael waltz
00:30:38.400
i think it's possible uh i think it's i think it's certainly possible that he that he didn't want i
00:30:44.980
mean first of all i mean if you really think about that as a republican knowing that you're uh you know or
00:30:53.320
or in being in comms with a with the editor-in-chief of the atlantic right uh in any way whether that's
00:31:00.620
under a fake name or a real name right that's very questionable to just to start right advocate i
00:31:07.120
assume that's fairly common these people are in touch with a lot of the media i mean is that not
00:31:11.460
correct i mean i think that that it it it could be it's common but i with the editor-in-chief of the
00:31:18.060
atlantic that is that's really especially for mike waltz just became the national security advisor i
00:31:24.340
think before before that he was i think a member of the uh foreign uh foreign affairs committee on
00:31:31.860
the house or something like that so i i i mean maybe he they may maintain contact but even still
00:31:39.140
that's a that's a then that raises questions like well what were you talking about with him before
00:31:43.400
when you were on the house uh you know foreign affairs committee or the intel committee whatever it
00:31:47.780
was especially the atlantic the atlantic is the premier outlet to discuss all atlanticist issues
00:31:54.140
right and the atlanticist relationship is actually one of the big sort of flashpoints of this entire
00:32:01.180
administration especially in the last couple months with the munich security conference speech
00:32:05.440
by jd vance with you know what we're talking about with nato and and having and and putting
00:32:10.560
pressure on these european countries to uh fund their own defense yeah what were you talking about
00:32:16.180
with him michael waltz if not if it wasn't now then what were you talking about with him then
00:32:20.180
right that's i think that's a good question to ask you know why did you need to be in in comms with
00:32:25.860
jeffrey goldbrand the suckers and losers guy is the one you were talking to right did you excoriate
00:32:32.640
him for that i if you if you said yes i had his number just to tell him how nasty that piece was
00:32:38.580
then you know what i might take it but that's but that's not what he's saying either
00:32:42.580
what he's saying i don't know i don't know how he got in there oh he was inadvertently in a different
00:32:48.240
name goldberg then says actually i did meet him once right and so somebody's like somebody's got
00:32:54.960
to say you know somebody's not not giving the whole truth here in my opinion i i give waltz the benefit
00:33:00.060
of the doubt but i just know how washington works and there's only so many times you get that benefit
00:33:04.440
of the doubt before people start to be uh pretty critical uh let's let's continue to kind of roll
00:33:09.580
into the middle east right now and uh the ceasefire that israel and hamas had has now totally fallen
00:33:17.980
apart bb has successfully bb seems to me in israel like he's constantly curating this balance with the
00:33:26.260
hardliners on the right and then the populace who seem to really favor the ceasefire dynamics to create
00:33:33.580
the hostage exchanges and i believe this about the middle east there is probably not going to be
00:33:40.840
any real sustainable peace in that region until you have some resolution to what is going on with
00:33:49.580
you know judea and samaria with what's happening in gaza with lebanon and um and northern israel that
00:33:56.640
that that if that remains a flashpoint you're gonna have cascading problems and you've got a place
00:34:02.820
that iran can always go poke you've got places where turkey can go poke you've got a justification
00:34:09.040
for israel to wipe out iranian proxies in southern syria and uh and potentially even need to engage in
00:34:17.860
further strikes deeper into iran uh and here's my call these gulf monarchies like saudi arabia if they
00:34:25.260
want to be hegemons step up to the plate be a hegemon right like step up to the plate and say
00:34:31.000
we're saudi arabia we're here to fix this problem in gaza get hamas out of the way get the violence
00:34:37.740
out and to create some economic stability uh qatar is a country that wants to level up diplomatically
00:34:44.960
we have seen them do that alongside saudi arabia i think qatar can be a greater force for good in gaza
00:34:51.740
in terms of policing the worst elements that create create threats how do you think we fix the middle east
00:34:59.000
pearson well to your point just a second ago why would saudi arabia or qatar step up i mean they're
00:35:06.420
they're having their cake and eating it too they want to be big boys in in global diplomacy you see
00:35:12.200
that with the way saudi is hosting russia ukraine like you want to host russia ukraine how about you
00:35:17.020
help in your own neighborhood resolve the flashpoints that could that could lead us to global war i don't
00:35:24.660
think they see that as an issue they're making tons of money we're paying them tons of money they're
00:35:27.920
getting it all over the world they have these uh islamic caliphate centers all over europe they're
00:35:32.800
spreading their influence without having to fight a war they're like i said they're getting their cake
00:35:37.180
and eating it too yeah but shouldn't shouldn't western uh financial systems demand more of them as a
00:35:45.640
driver of peace in their own region before just completely opening up well that's a different
00:35:51.520
question absolutely i completely agree with that i don't think we should be doing business with
00:35:55.780
them like period well the problem with that is you know you stop doing business with them they go
00:36:01.880
double down on bricks the saudi sell all their oil outside the dollar now the dollar starts to crash at
00:36:06.960
a time when congress won't cut spending and you've got massive entitlement programs that are going to
00:36:11.360
bankrupt the country that you know that that that is a real consequence of us actually muscling up on
00:36:18.060
saudi arabia which is probably why we never have in republican or democratic we have we have some of the
00:36:23.320
biggest oil reserves in the entire world we have more oil than the middle east does we could be the
00:36:28.120
world's exporter it's not about whether or not we need their oil today it might have been that way in
00:36:33.860
the 80s 90s what it's about now is do they sell their oil in dollars or do they sell it in in some other
00:36:41.360
system fish yeah well on our system is so tied to the oil for dollar system right now that that that is
00:36:49.120
the primary concern is if saudi arabia continues to do that obviously we know but do you think they
00:36:56.000
should have to do more regionally a hundred percent they have to do more but and pearson says they don't
00:37:00.620
care they don't have to care they don't well here's the thing right so it's either you're you're hoping
00:37:06.640
that the u.s remains the hegemon for as long as possible you know globally where we'll come in and
00:37:13.500
we'll look out for you to a certain extent because you're selling your oil in dollars for us and we'll
00:37:19.220
do our best to police this region but that's coming up to attention point two obviously with you know the
00:37:25.400
isolationists on the rise trump and his you know his america first you know out of the forever wars
00:37:31.400
uh kind of situation and policy what let's say let's say we do end up in like a multi-polar world
00:37:37.260
right where different countries are going to be responsible for different parts of the world who's going to be the
00:37:43.280
the the the pole in the middle east is it you know iran if it now by the way if it's iran how do you think
00:37:50.720
the saudis are going to react to that right and then we're going to turn around to them and say well they
00:37:55.940
stepped up to the plate and they're willing to do big boy diplomacy whether we like it or not they're willing
00:38:00.980
to police their region right and so saudi arabia if you're not stepping up to the plate we're just going to
00:38:06.340
give this part of the world to iran right or israel if israel can even maintain
00:38:12.620
policing that region without you know american help uh can they even do that and if and if not
00:38:19.800
then we're going to have to look at israel and be like oh you know we're going to let iran you know
00:38:24.060
police this part of the neighborhood how does that make you feel right and israel's definitely not
00:38:29.420
going to be happy with that well and israel can't be the policeman of the middle east can they pearson
00:38:33.000
no and not with our help like everything they have we give to them as far as military well no but but
00:38:38.580
even if but i mean it's not like we can convert israel into our proxy fighter there because they
00:38:43.340
would unite the arab world against them right right and that's happened before yeah we don't want to
00:38:47.600
relive the crusades really well i mean not all of them turned out so great not all of them did the
00:38:54.480
first one was pretty good though i think you know sometimes you get judged by the sequels i think it
00:38:58.460
might be time for another crusade let's you know let's go back and retake the middle east
00:39:02.200
i i think that that christian again i think that you you really are one uh interesting
00:39:07.960
isolationist well let's do the crusade kind of like i'll give you an example when i was in i think
00:39:14.280
third grade i was walking around the playground there's this one bully he was a lot bigger than
00:39:20.140
he's a fifth grade and i just i'm the kind of guy just leave me alone you know i just want to play
00:39:23.620
my games leave me alone and for some reason he took a disliking to me and he kept picking on me day
00:39:27.260
after day and one day he he pushed it too far and i was walking away from him and he pushed me
00:39:33.780
and this is one of those things where you're not even thinking about what you do and i still can't
00:39:37.560
understand what i happened but i turned around and ducked and i uppercut him and knocked him on his
00:39:42.500
butt probably the coolest thing i've ever done it's been downhill since it's been downhill since then
00:39:48.200
and uh he left me alone since then but he also just like he suddenly became my buddy and wanted to
00:39:53.980
protect me from everybody and like oh he's he's so cool so this is they're pushing us they're
00:39:58.840
pushing us they're pushing us we have to respond at some point all these countries have been taking
00:40:02.680
advantage of us for so long we can't just say okay we're gonna stop playing we're gonna do our
00:40:07.040
own thing we have to push back or there's not gonna be anything left and at this point i don't know if
00:40:11.140
we've passed that point we might have passed the the critical edge where there is no coming back and
00:40:16.780
things are just going to keep unraveling until there's nothing left i don't know it's kind of a
00:40:21.200
pessimistic worldview but things are so bad right now i don't know how we get back from this
00:40:24.840
by the way i think pearson is more literate in statecraft than half the state department and the
00:40:30.120
cia combined that is honestly that's that i think i think there's some something to that though that we
00:40:36.440
need to it's not that we're isolationists in the sense that we just want to get our hands off of
00:40:42.480
everything but we do need to we do have a responsibility that if we're going to pull back
00:40:47.840
in any region that we need to put somebody there who's both strong but is also somebody that we can
00:40:54.540
trust or that we know has some sort of basis or honor like some sort of honor system where
00:41:00.780
we understand that hey look we yeah i we just beat you in a fight and so you understand that we can we
00:41:06.920
can kick your ass one day if we need to but for but for now you know we're going to leave you to police
00:41:12.260
this region we're going to expect you to do it well right and this has already gone to the mat
00:41:16.440
before you don't want to do it again right and so who's that partner in the middle east fish
00:41:21.040
i think that in the middle east i might i saudi's the one behind he's the big the uae just agreed to
00:41:28.340
a 1.4 trillion dollar weapon the problem with the problem with arab militaries in general i think that
00:41:35.180
they have a very bad habit of um basically knifing each other in the back amongst their own ranks and
00:41:41.300
like there's not there's a lack of trust amongst their own sort of middle management and and sort
00:41:46.700
of general management and so i think that the persians have i i i the iran has more civilizational
00:41:53.980
experience in this area so it's it's either iran or turkey well it's not a pretty picture if iran's
00:42:00.220
empowered in the middle east i think that the whole thrust of the trump doctrine in the middle east is
00:42:04.340
going to be to neuter iran they don't have a lot of friends yeah well they they don't but again
00:42:09.900
they have the their friends fight well they do but they have you too they have the institutional
00:42:15.760
knowledge iran's friends fight our friends uh want to know when their next like lend lease program
00:42:23.780
from the american taxpayer is going to show up right let's let's uh get on our side of the atlantic in
00:42:29.380
latin america um i well actually before we do latin america let's run up to europe real quick
00:42:35.460
in europe we've seen that uh dependency state develop i think trump and vance are delivering
00:42:42.740
a message loud and clear that you you're not going to be a protectorate of our country anymore
00:42:48.100
vance makes the argument on these exposed signal chains that actually these shipping lanes that are
00:42:54.860
being attacked by the houthis ought to be defended by europe and it's a chance for europe to step up
00:43:01.460
uh what's your read on our force posture as it relates to europe and uh how they deal with the
00:43:08.400
the security dynamics at play oh they're all socialists and i don't think we should be helping
00:43:12.780
them europe you just go to zero yeah i mean they all clearly want to stab us in the back and they
00:43:18.840
take every opportunity to do so they don't think it's our best friend in europe it's got to be what
00:43:23.660
the brits but i mean they participated in spying on trump hungry hungry that's a good one i mean
00:43:29.600
poland i don't know these eastern countries because none of the western countries are
00:43:34.160
are friendly with us if we had marine le pen in we'd be doing great she might not even be allowed
00:43:38.880
to run uh uh who's the prime minister of italy that georgia malone yeah i mean she's pretty cool
00:43:44.320
yeah what do you think bish so i think i think that in europe what right now they have a lot of
00:43:50.280
leadership in place that is anti-american that have come up during a time when america just
00:43:58.180
essentially funded their entire welfare sort of system that they got going on there and they are
00:44:04.220
in a stasis where they can only rely on that or they only know a politics where that's the
00:44:10.040
presupposition undergirding the rest of their understanding of the relationship with america
00:44:15.600
right as long as america provides us the endless marshall plan resources that they've been providing us
00:44:22.280
for almost a century uh then we're okay with america and the moment they move off of that
00:44:28.180
is the moment we're against america i don't think that europeans and europeans in general feel that
00:44:35.000
sentiment towards america i think that they love america i think there's a lot of people in europe who
00:44:39.780
love america but it's the wrong leadership that's in place i think that that's why you see a lot of this
00:44:46.280
tamping down of populist leaders rising up in these countries because the those leaders clearly
00:44:52.900
understand that they want to make their nations stronger and want to do it without having to need
00:45:00.380
america to hold their hand through everything and they want to be on an equal footing with america or
00:45:06.840
something close to it where it's a partnership not a protectorate and so i think oh i think you're
00:45:12.460
giving them way too much credit i'm with pearson i'm with pearson that they would like to be they
00:45:17.340
would like us to pay for their protection like they're owed it and then they would like to look
00:45:21.600
down their nose at a lot of the rest of us for not having cradle to grave welfare system well then we
00:45:28.440
just cut it off right and so that but that's the thing that's the thing we're not willing to do like
00:45:32.860
are we america or not are we gonna actually when there's these people who are clearly holding you know
00:45:38.700
holding their nose up at us because we don't have cradle to grave health care and it's like well
00:45:42.740
let's see you pay pay for the health care when we're not providing you security guarantees i think
00:45:47.140
that's exactly what's happening and i think that what what you see i don't know how this war is going
00:45:50.880
to resolve but i think it is going to resolve and i do think it's nice that we're talking about how
00:45:55.540
not if in the war between ukraine and russia and my sense is that anytime europe has to put up or
00:46:02.700
shut up they they will relent and like you say i wish that wasn't the case but it is by the way
00:46:08.720
finland 75 taxes sounds lovely yeah so that's a cradle to grave for you yeah no kidding all right
00:46:16.740
all right let's come over here to our side of the atlantic and here's my argument in latin america
00:46:20.740
there are three models you either become a vassal state of china you become a narco state akin to
00:46:29.660
venezuela and mexico or you follow the nationalistic model set by my friend naib bukele
00:46:36.620
where you impose strong security where you defeat the criminal element and you try to invigorate
00:46:44.660
the cultural excellence that dates back to simone bolivar think it's a think it's three tracks you can
00:46:51.220
run on vish well uh why isn't argentina and the javier malay track oh the the the uh the rug pull
00:46:58.440
meme coin track well i mean i don't know i'm i'm not going to comment on the the rug pull meme coin
00:47:05.400
part but i think there's something to be said about the sort of socialist structures that they have
00:47:11.840
in those countries and how that stifled growth and innovation in a lot of south america and and
00:47:19.240
particularly argentina and that that reaction is is how you get a javier malay and if that can be
00:47:26.480
replicated where there's a more a liberty focused uh approach to governing or politics from you know
00:47:35.080
the the right-leaning perspective there i think that that can offer a viable uh sort of you know
00:47:41.140
alternative yeah i would put malay and bolsonaro kind of on the bukele track of nationalistic uh not
00:47:50.600
surrendering to to the globalist what do you think about latin america pearson i mean it's the same
00:47:55.000
situation as in africa i think we need a similar uh liberty road initiative where we go down there
00:48:00.560
and we we help turn these into capitalistic right-leaning societies instead of letting the
00:48:06.440
communists run amok down there and we can do that with sanctions we can do that with economic
00:48:11.240
enforcement we can do that with all kinds of things but i think it needs to happen and we just need to
00:48:16.340
stop being such wusses with all these different countries letting them get away with these marxist
00:48:21.960
communist leaders and i don't think we should you know pull grenada style situations and go in and
00:48:28.240
like overthrow but i think we can put the right amount of pressure on these countries and give
00:48:34.940
them an alternative an attractive alternative to china and that could start turning things around
00:48:39.920
what do you think is our best sales pitch in that regard well obviously everybody wants everybody
00:48:46.960
wants the dollar everybody wants money that's one of the big and these are these are increasingly
00:48:51.720
dollarized economies it's one place in the world where you know the dollar is still very much in
00:48:56.520
everybody wants the american dream literally everybody i think the biggest problem we have
00:49:01.440
right now is that there is a a new world order type institution somewhere out there that is pulling
00:49:10.540
strings to try and get more power the george soros type people the klaus schwab type people
00:49:15.920
and america is the primary obstacle in that and so for decades since the 50s maybe even since world
00:49:22.540
war ii people in these institutions have been trying to undermine america and our excellence and everyone
00:49:29.240
around the world wants to be america everybody wants that everybody wants to live the american dream
00:49:34.160
and have the big house and you know be arnold schwarzenegger that's just everybody wants that come on
00:49:39.260
and so we have these these liberal academics this is it's a whole cancer that's just encroached in
00:49:45.520
our society that has undermined the american exceptionalism and the ideal the image that we
00:49:51.540
had since like the 80s that everybody wanted and we've got to fix our cultural cancer our cultural rot
00:49:57.900
and all these countries want to be like us there's a great uh rammstein song which i take it the opposite
00:50:03.820
direction he means as a criticism but uh we all live in america and that's the name of the song and
00:50:09.920
it goes around the world showing all these people drinking coca-cola and uh wonder bra and all this
00:50:15.420
other stuff but it's true everybody wants that and we need to leverage that in these countries and make
00:50:20.740
america great again on the world stage it's it's one of our best assets and we're not using we've let it
00:50:26.080
rot yeah by the way i would if i if i would say that we have way more uh cultural power or or bet we
00:50:35.280
would be better at statecraft if our if our thing was like exporting wrangler jeans seriously you know
00:50:41.960
then nobody wants to be china right nobody wants that anywhere in the world right we would clamoring
00:50:48.180
to be chinese we would be doing way better statecraft if that was the case if it was like marvel movies
00:50:53.200
are a better export than like us exporting wokeness or like dei or any of this stuff we we would do
00:51:00.440
better on that front if that was the case we were making like hey we get you like all this nice stuff
00:51:05.980
that you look towards and and you know america rules global culture there everyone when he when
00:51:13.000
when pearson says everyone wants to be american that's what he's talking about they want to wear the
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jeans they want to listen to the music they want to uh you know go to the mcdonald's like you know a
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a high-end date in india is taking your girl to kfc in china you know in china frankly in the american
00:51:29.080
south as well well you know what those are our people all right and that's that's the kind of um
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that's the kind of statecraft or or understanding of our power with our culture that should be driving
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our our global statecraft well i think that is indeed the common theme of the episode and before
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we get out of here we just have to get to north america and where you are on greenland uh jd vance
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and usha vance are glamming up the dog running competition uh pearson how far should the trump
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administration go in their greenland emissions i think we should try and take it all the way
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honestly there's the famous saying that if you're not growing you're dying and i think it's a famous
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isolationist saying yes exactly i think we need a teddy roosevelt a policy here i don't agree with a
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lot of what he did but i think his american exceptionalism was great for growing our country
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and if we could if we could take greenland i mean that's great for morale that you're proud to be
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american all right all right how many american troops should die in our assault on greenland
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i don't think anyone i don't think we'll lose any uh troops yeah it's not doing that no but i do
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believe that we need new homesteads that's what i think that our few that's what we're seriously
00:52:46.660
lacking right now is that you know there's been generations we can do that in the american west
00:52:51.240
i'm well you know what but why don't we right and when when is when is blm gonna gonna gonna give
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the bureau of land management bureau of land management right but that's about we don't do that
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bad though right but base but that's what we we don't do that but bureau of land management is
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not going to do that anytime soon so it's canada you better open up greenland you better open up
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because that's where all the next fertile land is going to be if you track a hundred year term and
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what's going to melt and and all that if we don't take it somewhere we're closing out the show with
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