The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz

00:00:00.000 Now, it's time for the Anchorman Podcast with Matt Gaetz and Dan Ball.

00:00:24.720 Welcome back to the Anchorman Show. I'm Matt Gaetz.

00:00:27.400 We found out what the Anchorman Show really needed.

00:00:31.240 Fewer anchors and women.

00:00:33.900 We are breaking the gender barrier on the show today.

00:00:38.240 We've got two fantastic figures in media.

00:00:41.980 Gabrielle Cochia, our OAN Chief Pentagon Correspondent,

00:00:45.160 and the Chief White House Correspondent for The War Room,

00:00:48.340 my good friend Natalie Winters,

00:00:49.900 and as always, my on-again, off-again employee,

00:00:53.220 the founding producer of The War Room Podcast,

00:00:55.180 a producer of The Matt Gaetz Show,

00:00:57.560 and the upcoming guest host of The Matt Gaetz Show,

00:01:00.160 Vish Burra. How are you doing, Vish?

00:01:01.720 I'm doing fantastic here.

00:01:03.260 I'm keeping this seat warm here for you, this captain chair,

00:01:06.940 but I'm hoping that I'd never have to give it up

00:01:10.100 and it gets hot enough so I could cook bacon on the armrests.

00:01:13.180 So I'm hoping you're enjoying your time out there in D.C., Matt.

00:01:16.740 I can feel your envy that you are not here in this vibey setup

00:01:22.620 that our terrific team in Washington, D.C. put together.

00:01:25.860 And, Gabby, I wanted to start with you.

00:01:27.780 You've got such an interesting background,

00:01:30.360 having worked in the Obama White House.

00:01:32.760 I usually get people heartburn when I say that.

00:01:34.140 Well, but I think it's going to be a great perspective.

00:01:37.280 Talk a little bit about kind of what brought you to this role

00:01:39.700 as our chief eyes and ears and reporter at the Pentagon.

00:01:42.740 Sure. Yeah, so my first job out of college,

00:01:46.020 like any person who wants to be in the heart of it all,

00:01:48.940 I thought, where else can I go but the White House?

00:01:51.740 So I went on USA.gov on jobs nonstop, 84 applications.

00:01:57.240 The 84th one happened to be White House IT.

00:02:00.200 And so when I got the phone call for the IT position,

00:02:03.020 it was mostly focused on software.

00:02:05.140 But somehow along the way, when I was talking to the person on the other line

00:02:08.120 who actually ended up being and still is

00:02:10.160 the Obama's personal technical person

00:02:13.740 that does the Obama Foundation.

00:02:15.980 I know, don't give me like, don't blow me up, you know?

00:02:18.400 I'm good.

00:02:19.240 But we got into a long conversation talking about Sony Vegas Pro,

00:02:22.600 which is what I used to do like fun videos on my off time

00:02:25.160 when I was at UPenn.

00:02:26.560 And so hit it off with him, ended up getting an internship.

00:02:29.300 So I was just approaching my senior year of college.

00:02:32.500 Ended up, which is funny is that like,

00:02:34.240 I always talk about like how DC operates, right?

00:02:36.580 It's super reactive, really slow.

00:02:38.100 And so at that time, remember,

00:02:40.460 Obama had the very first digitized campaign, somewhat, right?

00:02:43.960 So, and that's what made it a successful campaign,

00:02:46.220 at least in that nature, outside of any politics, of course.

00:02:49.280 And White House IT never existed until the Obama administration.

00:02:52.960 So, you know, government never really catching up with the times.

00:02:56.220 They were utilizing a contractor that was super well-known over in DC,

00:03:00.400 which was L3.

00:03:01.520 They turned into Khaki,

00:03:02.820 and they were handling the whole White House IT infrastructure.

00:03:05.220 And so they were in the middle of a transition

00:03:07.860 before the Trump administration came in

00:03:09.920 and doing a network transition from intranet into a DOD network.

00:03:14.600 And so they were utilizing

00:03:15.780 all White House communication agency personnel, WACA,

00:03:18.680 and that's mostly military radio guys.

00:03:21.480 And so when the contract wasn't being renewed by Khaki,

00:03:24.360 and they were focused just on WACA,

00:03:25.860 we were only about 60% into the network migration

00:03:29.140 that I was helping when I was an intern.

00:03:30.960 And when I was about to graduate,

00:03:33.660 they asked me if I wanted to come back full-time.

00:03:35.780 And, you know, of course, I'm a conservative,

00:03:37.980 but I love America so much.

00:03:39.860 And the only way that you can truly love anyone or anything

00:03:43.160 is to know all the good and all the bad.

00:03:45.140 So for me, I was able to kind of put that to the side,

00:03:48.120 stay in that apolitical role.

00:03:49.400 When the Trump administration came in,

00:03:51.220 it was myself and a few other people

00:03:52.740 that were retained for transition

00:03:53.900 to help oversee the network migration with WACA personnel.

00:03:56.880 And from there, that's kind of when this all started to happen

00:04:00.020 was the First Lady's office has the very first event

00:04:03.320 that the White House rolls out,

00:04:05.120 which is the governor's ball.

00:04:06.660 And, you know, people always talk about

00:04:08.320 how the administrations, when they get all salty,

00:04:11.360 they'll, you know, leave the whole White House up in flames.

00:04:14.280 And that's exactly what they did,

00:04:16.120 but they did it on a far greater scale

00:04:17.560 because they tried to use the Presidential Records Act

00:04:19.680 as the reason for completely axing

00:04:22.080 every single software system

00:04:24.240 that the prior administration utilized

00:04:26.320 to expedite their workflow

00:04:27.580 and made sure, basically,

00:04:30.180 that that network migration was on pause

00:04:31.800 and then all the other applications were moot

00:04:33.820 so they couldn't work at all.

00:04:35.120 This is a classic case of trying to handcuff a boomer

00:04:38.060 by messing with their tech.

00:04:39.040 Oh, yeah, it's horrible.

00:04:39.920 I mean, at that point, too, just from perspective,

00:04:41.800 like, they were all using BlackBerrys

00:04:43.120 and I was handling even just the cell phones, too.

00:04:45.360 I miss the BlackBerry.

00:04:46.440 I do. I like the simplicity.

00:04:47.800 Brickbreaker?

00:04:48.320 Heck yeah. Brickbreaker.

00:04:50.080 Yeah. So, yeah.

00:04:51.020 I mean, I'll cut it short,

00:04:51.820 but, yeah, so basically the First Lady's office

00:04:54.880 was dealing with,

00:04:56.500 you think about, like, the security side,

00:04:57.820 they weren't able to clear people

00:04:58.980 in and out of the White House,

00:04:59.880 especially for a mass of a governor's ball.

00:05:01.980 That application that we were,

00:05:03.600 that we made for the last administration

00:05:05.500 was for place seating

00:05:06.860 and getting them cleared by Secret Service

00:05:08.660 and all of these things.

00:05:10.180 And so the First Lady's office,

00:05:11.680 which, like, they're right,

00:05:13.140 they were like, well, to the IT department,

00:05:14.760 if you don't have the application ready,

00:05:16.200 then we need, like, a physical human being

00:05:17.760 to be there to be the app.

00:05:19.860 So I sat in the First Lady's office

00:05:21.200 in the East Wing,

00:05:22.120 and then from there it kind of just took off

00:05:24.140 because we're working with most,

00:05:26.320 some of the most historical offices

00:05:27.720 and high-level offices,

00:05:29.100 one being the executive clerk's office

00:05:30.440 that handles everything

00:05:31.280 that the president signs from start to finish

00:05:32.900 because they're always at these events.

00:05:34.820 So then they would always be like,

00:05:35.760 oh, that's the IT girl.

00:05:36.900 Bring her in.

00:05:37.380 So eventually I started working for them.

00:05:39.120 They asked me to come on full-time with them

00:05:40.680 and be their technical detail,

00:05:43.380 but then also be one of their executive clerks.

00:05:45.020 So I got to see everything

00:05:46.040 the president signed Trump in his first term

00:05:48.000 from start to finish down to all the drafts,

00:05:51.460 all general counsel being involved,

00:05:53.180 NSC usually traditionally for memos,

00:05:55.220 executive orders, whatever it may be.

00:05:57.340 And then we would transport all that to,

00:06:00.420 or transport all that stuff to Capitol Hill

00:06:02.180 on behalf of the president.

00:06:04.260 Maybe you saw me there.

00:06:05.180 I don't know.

00:06:05.700 At that point, yeah.

00:06:06.700 Maybe you saw me there.

00:06:07.520 Trump loves signing stuff.

00:06:08.580 Oh, he does.

00:06:09.100 He loves paper.

00:06:09.980 I mean, go get me started on the auto pen.

00:06:11.300 Because we did, I was one of those people

00:06:13.220 that literally had to put the paper down,

00:06:15.400 which is very rare during the Trump administration.

00:06:18.800 And that's a whole other thing too.

00:06:20.040 We can talk about that after the fact.

00:06:21.520 But yeah, did that.

00:06:23.660 And then to the point where he would sign it,

00:06:25.860 put together a press release

00:06:26.780 and disseminate to White House press,

00:06:28.120 which fast forward,

00:06:29.400 then I'm seeing the press pool

00:06:30.700 and OAN asked me to be their White House correspondent.

00:06:34.160 So that's where I was for a bit.

00:06:35.980 And then I spent the last six years

00:06:37.080 being a security contractor,

00:06:38.360 which has kind of fell.

00:06:39.760 We all know what that means.

00:06:40.780 Sure, it can mean anything.

00:06:41.900 You've definitely killed people.

00:06:42.940 I don't know how to wink.

00:06:44.020 No, I didn't kill nobody.

00:06:45.160 That's what they all say, right?

00:06:46.480 Just kidding.

00:06:47.000 No, no, no.

00:06:47.260 I'm kidding.

00:06:48.000 I'm kidding.

00:06:49.440 But yeah, so did that.

00:06:50.820 And it was a really good transition

00:06:52.140 between the IC and the DOD

00:06:53.900 coming in at the Pentagon.

00:06:55.600 I learned about the Pentagon position

00:06:57.020 the same way everybody else did

00:06:58.040 seeing it on Twitter.

00:06:59.420 Or X, sorry.

00:07:00.800 And so now I'm back here

00:07:02.160 and it's been awesome.

00:07:03.120 I feel like I never left.

00:07:04.420 Anyway.

00:07:05.060 Long-winded, huh?

00:07:05.860 No, I think the buried lead there

00:07:08.040 is that you applied 84 times.

00:07:10.020 What would have been

00:07:11.440 your upper limit on that?

00:07:12.780 Like, would you have gone to 200, 500?

00:07:14.680 Oh yeah, I would have kept going.

00:07:15.680 I was going every single...

00:07:16.960 And then, oh gosh,

00:07:18.160 when I was in college,

00:07:18.780 you know, like I would skip in lunch,

00:07:20.440 skip in dinner, you know,

00:07:21.440 because I'm a college kid.

00:07:22.540 So I would be sitting in the library.

00:07:23.840 I didn't have Wi-Fi.

00:07:24.560 I didn't have a laptop.

00:07:25.280 I would use UPenn's library all the time.

00:07:27.340 And sometimes I would stay overnight there.

00:07:28.820 So I'd be in there

00:07:29.720 and every single day I'm like,

00:07:31.560 maybe this is the...

00:07:32.180 I would be so hopeful.

00:07:33.300 Maybe this is the day.

00:07:34.620 And I'd just keep applying all day long

00:07:36.320 until I get an answer.

00:07:37.380 But you know how usajobs.gov is?

00:07:39.120 Like, they just give you the automatic no

00:07:40.620 because it's like a computer

00:07:41.460 trying to see if you're qualified or not.

00:07:43.360 So I just need to get somebody on the phone

00:07:44.600 and say, listen, I can do this.

00:07:45.840 So I didn't waste any taxpayer dollars

00:07:47.140 when I was at the White House.

00:07:48.260 Wow.

00:07:48.540 With you and Vish, both on this program,

00:07:51.000 there is such a high tolerance for rejection.

00:07:53.240 It is.

00:07:54.360 He's keep on going.

00:07:55.700 Hold on.

00:07:56.100 Gabby and I also have a background in IT.

00:07:58.740 That's pretty...

00:07:59.540 Getting into politics,

00:08:01.820 I've found very few people

00:08:03.700 who even understand IT in the first place.

00:08:07.340 And so it's nice that, like,

00:08:08.720 Gabby has a background in IT.

00:08:11.020 I felt like when she was talking about

00:08:12.600 network migrations,

00:08:14.120 you were speaking my language.

00:08:15.780 So very impressive.

00:08:16.980 She said, oh, stop it.

00:08:18.280 Oh, yes.

00:08:19.060 Yes, there's this leaning into the stereotype.

00:08:21.480 Natalie Winters,

00:08:22.660 you are doing an incredible job for The War Room.

00:08:26.260 And you're just in a moment right now.

00:08:29.080 How many...

00:08:30.000 Before we get into your background

00:08:31.780 and how your unique way of reporting

00:08:36.040 has really created a category,

00:08:39.380 how many profiles are being written about you right now

00:08:42.860 are in production?

00:08:44.460 All press is good press.

00:08:45.420 Have published?

00:08:46.040 Yeah, I truly believe all press is good press.

00:08:47.940 That's right.

00:08:48.660 You know, I think it's funny.

00:08:49.480 A lot of people probably wouldn't assume

00:08:51.540 that Bannon or War Room World

00:08:53.120 has, I think, nice relations with the legacy media.

00:08:56.080 Obviously, we're very bellicose,

00:08:57.660 belligerent with them on air.

00:08:59.060 But I think it's great to be able

00:09:00.600 to get our message out there.

00:09:01.720 So I think at some point,

00:09:03.140 there should be a New York Times profile

00:09:04.500 dropping on yours truly,

00:09:06.820 which if you would have told me

00:09:08.060 that they would be writing,

00:09:09.120 hopefully, a nice article, I'm sure.

00:09:10.940 Well, honestly,

00:09:11.560 the smears don't even land, right?

00:09:12.920 They smears as being, like,

00:09:13.900 too radical or seeking retribution.

00:09:15.800 I'm like, bring it on, right?

00:09:17.400 Didn't they do that to Trump

00:09:18.400 on the campaign trail?

00:09:19.360 They're like, Trump is really focused

00:09:21.100 on retribution.

00:09:22.500 The American people don't want it.

00:09:23.620 And I would humbly push back.

00:09:25.400 But I do think it is quite interesting.

00:09:27.240 They're not obsession.

00:09:28.920 That sounds too self-obsessed.

00:09:30.320 But they're obsessed with me

00:09:32.060 because I think that they have sort of,

00:09:33.740 for whatever reason,

00:09:34.820 kind of pigeonholed me

00:09:35.860 as, like, the representative

00:09:37.700 or face of a lot of this new media rollout

00:09:39.460 in the White House.

00:09:40.360 And I think with, obviously,

00:09:41.720 what started it all,

00:09:42.480 the infamous, you know,

00:09:43.340 Daily Mail piece,

00:09:44.280 the criticism that I was dressed like,

00:09:45.920 I believe, a hostess at Hooters,

00:09:47.920 that they were really trying...

00:09:49.220 No one who wrote that

00:09:50.040 has ever been to Hooters.

00:09:51.620 Yeah, I would not have gotten very far

00:09:53.440 as a Hooters employee

00:09:54.440 in my, like, Peter Pan collar,

00:09:56.200 cashmere sweater,

00:09:56.920 but I digress.

00:09:57.560 But I think it's really been

00:09:59.340 a broader effort

00:10:00.020 to sort of smear and mock

00:10:01.300 and really impugn

00:10:02.100 this whole new media initiative.

00:10:04.020 So I think the, like,

00:10:05.040 mocking of me

00:10:05.660 as this, you know,

00:10:06.540 vapid then 23-year-old,

00:10:08.140 I know, getting so old,

00:10:09.720 I mean, I started warm,

00:10:10.840 you know, when I was, like, 19.

00:10:12.440 So I do feel old now.

00:10:13.680 But that it's sort of part

00:10:15.300 of a broader effort

00:10:16.420 to go after that whole

00:10:17.480 new media campaign.

00:10:18.720 Well, the smear, I think,

00:10:20.660 is a little more precise than that.

00:10:23.120 And your secret weapon

00:10:24.860 is that you're brilliant

00:10:25.700 and very hardworking.

00:10:27.040 You're an incredible writer.

00:10:28.340 You're an incredible

00:10:28.820 investigative journalist.

00:10:30.500 And people think

00:10:31.560 you have this job

00:10:32.380 because of how you look,

00:10:33.500 because media is a visual medium.

00:10:35.960 And so they criticize you

00:10:37.460 for being attractive,

00:10:38.440 and they use that

00:10:39.580 as a smear

00:10:40.420 to delegitimize

00:10:42.220 the very substantive,

00:10:43.740 groundbreaking,

00:10:44.780 incredible work

00:10:45.380 that you do.

00:10:45.940 So I have to share,

00:10:47.800 when I first met Natalie,

00:10:49.800 she was,

00:10:50.640 Vish was producing

00:10:51.460 The War Room.

00:10:52.660 Natalie's job

00:10:53.660 was to watch The War Room

00:10:55.180 on any given day

00:10:56.520 and then do a write-up

00:10:57.900 about the news

00:10:59.380 or interviews

00:11:00.360 or events

00:11:01.020 that have emerged

00:11:01.720 out of those discussions.

00:11:03.600 And she sent me

00:11:04.560 this heartfelt,

00:11:05.840 long text message.

00:11:07.340 No, it was a Twitter DM.

00:11:08.880 A Twitter DM.

00:11:09.580 Twitter DM,

00:11:10.220 not even a text message.

00:11:11.560 Yes, a Twitter DM

00:11:13.040 indicating that she really

00:11:14.680 wanted to work

00:11:15.340 on Capitol Hill

00:11:16.240 and what I consider her

00:11:17.860 for an internship.

00:11:19.200 And I thought,

00:11:20.420 you know,

00:11:20.700 I made the worst

00:11:23.200 HR decision

00:11:24.180 I have ever made.

00:11:25.540 And I've made some bad ones.

00:11:26.740 But this is the worst

00:11:27.740 HR decision I've ever made.

00:11:28.900 I have hired Vish

00:11:30.040 like four times.

00:11:31.460 And the worst

00:11:32.280 HR decision

00:11:33.220 I've ever made

00:11:34.280 was not hiring you

00:11:35.700 as an intern.

00:11:36.260 I thought,

00:11:36.640 well,

00:11:37.120 she's not in her 20s yet.

00:11:38.820 She maybe needs

00:11:39.500 some more seasoning.

00:11:40.560 And then you went on

00:11:42.200 through your work

00:11:42.900 at the National Pulse

00:11:43.900 to cover the Chinese

00:11:45.260 Communist Party

00:11:46.080 and their capture

00:11:48.000 of American politicians

00:11:49.380 like nobody else.

00:11:50.700 And I was wondering

00:11:51.240 maybe if you could share

00:11:52.340 how you did that.

00:11:53.520 What a day in the life

00:11:55.380 before anyone knew

00:11:56.920 it was focused on

00:11:57.840 your looks

00:11:58.480 or your television appearances

00:11:59.920 when you were just

00:12:01.060 doing the hard work

00:12:02.600 of investigative reporting

00:12:03.680 and bringing to light stuff

00:12:04.700 nobody was talking about.

00:12:06.120 Yeah, it was all I did.

00:12:07.620 I was concurrently in school

00:12:09.360 in Chicago,

00:12:09.980 but I was never there.

00:12:11.360 I was always here in D.C.

00:12:12.800 And I think it's sort of

00:12:14.020 the war room playbook

00:12:14.880 that we use now

00:12:15.680 where I was always

00:12:16.440 consuming legacy media,

00:12:18.980 whether it was MSNBC

00:12:20.160 or reading sort of

00:12:21.500 who was penning the op-eds,

00:12:22.840 whether it was

00:12:23.200 in the Washington Post

00:12:24.280 or the New York Times

00:12:25.160 and was essentially

00:12:26.240 running cover

00:12:27.160 for the Chinese Communist Party.

00:12:29.200 And at that time,

00:12:29.760 it really was about

00:12:30.440 the origins of COVID

00:12:31.580 and just, I think,

00:12:34.420 a lot of the trade stuff

00:12:35.300 that President Trump

00:12:36.020 was doing,

00:12:36.680 which I guess we're now

00:12:37.320 seeing kind of

00:12:37.900 come to bear again.

00:12:39.580 But I was always interested

00:12:40.920 in like,

00:12:41.480 who are these people

00:12:42.160 who are shilling

00:12:42.740 for the Chinese Communist Party

00:12:44.120 and are running cover for them?

00:12:46.020 And it was so easy.

00:12:47.320 People always,

00:12:47.820 I think,

00:12:48.100 sometimes give me more credit

00:12:49.140 than I maybe deserve.

00:12:50.160 But you can see

00:12:51.100 on these people's resumes,

00:12:52.200 right,

00:12:52.420 that a lot of the grants

00:12:53.260 that they're taking

00:12:53.820 are from Chinese Communist Party,

00:12:55.580 funded and controlled institutions.

00:12:57.440 The, I think,

00:12:57.760 initial story that I broke

00:12:59.100 that really,

00:13:00.220 I think,

00:13:00.420 solidified or maybe

00:13:01.200 started my career

00:13:02.080 as sort of

00:13:02.460 investigative reporter

00:13:03.340 was how a bunch

00:13:04.600 of legacy media journalists

00:13:06.160 from the New York Times,

00:13:07.520 the Washington Post,

00:13:08.960 Harvard Business Review,

00:13:10.000 Bloomberg,

00:13:11.040 even Politico,

00:13:12.100 you name it,

00:13:12.640 the outlet,

00:13:13.080 they were there.

00:13:14.080 But that they were taking

00:13:15.000 subsidized trips to China

00:13:16.880 from the China-United States

00:13:18.180 Exchange Foundation

00:13:19.140 in exchange for,

00:13:21.300 favorable coverage

00:13:22.180 and to,

00:13:23.300 disseminate positive messages.

00:13:24.760 And I'm quoting from

00:13:25.720 Foreign Agent Registration Act filings.

00:13:28.180 And I was really miffed

00:13:29.540 when I actually broke

00:13:30.340 that story originally

00:13:31.420 because...

00:13:32.560 And how old were you

00:13:33.280 when you broke that story?

00:13:34.080 I was 19.

00:13:35.360 Same sharp brain.

00:13:36.760 You know,

00:13:37.160 what can I say?

00:13:37.780 I get maniacally obsessed

00:13:40.120 with something

00:13:40.800 and I will not let it go.

00:13:42.440 No, you had like

00:13:42.960 a Carrie Matheson

00:13:43.840 at our TV.

00:13:44.240 No, literally.

00:13:44.980 And I was so annoyed

00:13:46.000 when I was doing that story

00:13:47.160 because none of the names

00:13:48.680 of the individuals

00:13:49.260 who had participated

00:13:50.000 were included

00:13:50.620 in the fair filings.

00:13:52.940 So I was like,

00:13:53.680 I have to get

00:13:54.100 to the bottom of this.

00:13:54.860 And I always say,

00:13:55.620 someone needs to subpoena

00:13:56.740 Wilson Global Public Relations

00:13:58.520 to get the list

00:13:59.380 of all the journalists

00:13:59.980 that participated in this.

00:14:01.620 Although Matthew Iglesias

00:14:02.540 Ezra Klein,

00:14:04.000 like an Atlantic editor,

00:14:04.980 like big name people

00:14:05.860 participated in it.

00:14:07.140 But I was able

00:14:07.780 to sleuth together

00:14:08.560 the names of probably

00:14:09.280 like a dozen or so people

00:14:10.280 who had participated

00:14:11.360 in those trips

00:14:12.100 through deleted web pages,

00:14:13.440 which is my probably,

00:14:14.360 always the trick

00:14:14.960 I always have up my sleeve.

00:14:16.580 But I just think

00:14:17.460 that the path

00:14:18.500 for so many people

00:14:19.280 in conservative media,

00:14:20.200 and I'm sure you would

00:14:20.760 agree with me,

00:14:21.940 is sort of,

00:14:22.620 you know,

00:14:22.880 you intern at Heritage,

00:14:23.980 you start at the Daily Caller,

00:14:25.280 and you do opinion-based commentary.

00:14:27.240 And I just always

00:14:28.160 had an aversion to that

00:14:29.140 because I was,

00:14:29.860 at the time, 19,

00:14:30.900 and I was like,

00:14:31.360 no one cares about my opinion,

00:14:32.900 and they shouldn't, right?

00:14:33.960 I haven't done anything.

00:14:35.420 So I guess to overcompensate

00:14:37.140 for that,

00:14:37.780 all I would do

00:14:38.700 was just report

00:14:39.540 primary sources.

00:14:40.760 It made my job easier, right?

00:14:41.940 I had to write less.

00:14:42.760 I would just copy and paste.

00:14:44.300 But it really was

00:14:44.880 the CCP angle,

00:14:46.280 the sort of

00:14:46.640 United Front Work Department

00:14:47.680 foreign influence

00:14:48.520 infiltration operation stuff,

00:14:50.460 which then piggybacked

00:14:51.640 onto the lies,

00:14:52.460 the cover-up

00:14:52.900 of the COVID origins,

00:14:54.200 and then broadening out

00:14:55.200 to the Ukraine stuff,

00:14:56.160 the kind of

00:14:56.440 color revolution stuff.

00:14:57.440 But now where I think

00:14:57.960 on War Room,

00:14:59.040 after Steve went to prison,

00:15:00.720 I was forced to sort of

00:15:02.180 be more, I think,

00:15:02.900 opinionated in my commentary.

00:15:05.480 But it's maybe,

00:15:06.500 it's something that I realized

00:15:07.420 that I actually kind of do like.

00:15:08.480 But now I feel like

00:15:09.000 I've done enough

00:15:09.580 where maybe my opinion matters,

00:15:11.240 maybe 1%.

00:15:11.860 Well, the opinions are

00:15:12.440 derived from fact,

00:15:13.300 you know what I mean?

00:15:13.880 And when you actually

00:15:14.460 do the research,

00:15:15.120 you know exactly

00:15:15.680 what you're talking about.

00:15:16.400 Well, they also play a game,

00:15:18.000 too, that I think

00:15:18.400 is quite interesting,

00:15:19.440 similar to the origins of COVID,

00:15:21.080 whereby they'll delete

00:15:22.520 or erase all the evidence

00:15:23.600 and then say,

00:15:24.100 well, you're a conspiracy theorist

00:15:25.420 because you can't put forth

00:15:26.420 the evidence to back

00:15:27.180 of your claim.

00:15:28.220 And I think when you

00:15:29.060 sort of look at

00:15:29.580 the Ukrainian packages...

00:15:30.560 And then when they find it,

00:15:30.920 it's Russian disinformation.

00:15:32.260 Yes, yes, right?

00:15:33.260 And then ultimately,

00:15:34.060 it did happen,

00:15:35.020 but you should be grateful

00:15:35.880 to the left for it.

00:15:36.820 And then by the end,

00:15:37.860 you're being prosecuted

00:15:38.780 or persecuted for it.

00:15:39.880 Exactly.

00:15:40.300 And there's actually

00:15:40.700 a very interesting clip

00:15:41.620 on MSNBC this Sunday

00:15:43.100 where they were talking

00:15:44.020 about how,

00:15:44.940 I don't know,

00:15:45.200 this might be breaking news,

00:15:46.220 but we're heading

00:15:47.140 towards a civil war,

00:15:48.340 according to whatever brilliant

00:15:50.300 CIA and January 6th

00:15:52.080 committee scholar

00:15:52.680 they had on,

00:15:53.460 sure, a genius,

00:15:54.660 but she was talking

00:15:55.640 about how the only tactic

00:15:57.260 that we could use,

00:15:58.640 at least her first go-around,

00:16:00.300 to stop a potential

00:16:01.340 looming civil war

00:16:02.400 was the regulation

00:16:03.340 of social media companies.

00:16:04.900 And then she's like,

00:16:05.580 but that doesn't work anymore

00:16:06.640 because they don't want

00:16:07.220 to do it and Trump's in power

00:16:08.380 and Elon bad

00:16:09.080 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:16:10.100 So now the only way

00:16:11.040 that we can stop it

00:16:11.820 is civil society,

00:16:13.120 which I say there's nothing

00:16:13.940 civil about Democrat civil society

00:16:15.580 and there's really nothing societal.

00:16:17.300 It's all funded

00:16:17.720 by dark money, right?

00:16:19.360 So my point there being

00:16:20.720 that like, yes,

00:16:21.400 that's not traditional

00:16:22.140 investigative reporting

00:16:23.000 in terms of fact-based,

00:16:24.000 but I think War Room

00:16:25.320 and maybe my weird brain

00:16:27.960 that gets obsessed

00:16:28.700 with this stuff

00:16:29.300 were all about

00:16:29.980 pattern recognition

00:16:30.940 and I think that is

00:16:32.680 the kind of the niche

00:16:33.340 of War Room

00:16:33.800 and just why Steve and I

00:16:35.600 I think had a mesh

00:16:36.820 and why he hired me.

00:16:37.660 I did not apply 84 times.

00:16:40.120 I guess I've only ever

00:16:41.200 applied for two jobs.

00:16:43.200 Although interesting resume,

00:16:44.180 I don't know how you put,

00:16:45.040 hosted a show for a man

00:16:46.100 who went to prison on there.

00:16:48.560 But that sort of counter-programming

00:16:51.260 in and of itself

00:16:51.900 is like a weird narrative version

00:16:53.540 of investigative reporting.

00:16:55.180 But you've become the story

00:16:56.620 in a lot of these.

00:16:57.620 Like people are covering you.

00:16:59.840 They're not just...

00:17:00.480 Every time I go on X,

00:17:01.580 you're always on my home screen.

00:17:02.860 You're always on my home page.

00:17:04.440 A lot of people say that.

00:17:05.860 I'm not complaining.

00:17:06.720 I don't know.

00:17:06.980 Maybe it's the algorithm.

00:17:08.000 It's reverse shadow banning.

00:17:10.800 I want to get Gabby's perspective

00:17:13.320 on from an intelligence

00:17:15.280 gathering standpoint.

00:17:16.440 You had the wherewithal

00:17:17.560 to read Chinese media every day

00:17:21.120 to figure out

00:17:22.520 what loser former congressman

00:17:25.060 was like getting paid

00:17:26.140 to go give a speech

00:17:27.100 or what scientists...

00:17:27.800 Or current.

00:17:28.560 Yeah, or current

00:17:29.680 were headed over there.

00:17:31.400 And then you would just expose them

00:17:32.700 every day by reading

00:17:33.600 the Chinese media.

00:17:34.780 And it gets back

00:17:35.440 to what you were saying

00:17:36.340 about knowing thy enemy, right?

00:17:38.720 Yeah.

00:17:39.080 And what do you think about

00:17:40.860 like going behind enemy lines

00:17:43.640 either through open source media,

00:17:45.380 working for an administration

00:17:47.260 that maybe doesn't have

00:17:48.200 the perspective you believeth,

00:17:49.840 but to add context

00:17:51.460 because we seem to be

00:17:53.400 in a world now

00:17:54.180 where even the appreciation

00:17:56.080 of context,

00:17:57.080 you're viewed as a traitor

00:17:58.320 or someone who's not

00:17:59.600 like fully with the cause.

00:18:00.800 Yeah, no, I agree

00:18:01.660 with that wholeheartedly.

00:18:02.600 I kind of hearing Natalie speak

00:18:04.000 and just talk about the fact

00:18:04.960 that it's so clear

00:18:06.300 just to put lines together,

00:18:08.660 connect the dots.

00:18:09.700 I mean, you're talking

00:18:10.440 about looking at filings.

00:18:11.560 You can look at...

00:18:12.520 So one of the first things

00:18:13.640 that came to my mind

00:18:14.320 is this last summer,

00:18:16.280 Optica Foundations

00:18:17.100 right down the street

00:18:17.920 in Logan Circle.

00:18:19.180 They were getting money

00:18:19.920 from Huawei

00:18:20.420 for the last three years,

00:18:21.860 obviously under

00:18:22.540 the Trump administration.

00:18:23.460 And the one good thing,

00:18:25.520 I say that,

00:18:26.240 that the Biden administration

00:18:27.280 did was continue on

00:18:29.140 that barring of economic

00:18:30.660 relationship between

00:18:32.200 the United States

00:18:32.860 and quote-unquote

00:18:33.400 Huawei, CCP.

00:18:35.620 But Huawei was building

00:18:36.800 stuff all over rural America.

00:18:39.460 Oh, yeah.

00:18:39.820 And you know why people

00:18:40.220 in rural America

00:18:40.760 were buying it?

00:18:41.560 It was cheap.

00:18:42.160 No, it was not necessarily

00:18:43.140 enforced either,

00:18:44.040 especially during

00:18:44.500 this last administration.

00:18:45.340 But it's just interesting

00:18:46.340 to me because it's

00:18:46.980 in every facet of life

00:18:48.020 if you just go through

00:18:49.040 the filings.

00:18:49.700 If you look at FEC

00:18:50.400 and you see who puts money where...

00:18:51.720 Should we just give up

00:18:51.740 and assume all of our stuff

00:18:52.500 is being collected anyway?

00:18:53.380 Oh, yeah, you should.

00:18:53.920 You should.

00:18:54.480 We do the story

00:18:55.020 about the DJI drones

00:18:56.160 that the Florida Police Department

00:18:57.580 was using.

00:18:58.160 I think we broke that

00:18:58.980 at the National Pulse.

00:19:00.020 You did.

00:19:00.360 Sort of partnered with you

00:19:01.200 on that, I think.

00:19:02.060 And you had maybe

00:19:02.860 introduced legislation

00:19:04.280 or something,

00:19:04.780 or HickVision,

00:19:05.500 a lot of the cameras

00:19:06.280 that they had been using

00:19:08.120 that then Biden

00:19:08.740 overturned the Trump era

00:19:10.960 EO that had banned those.

00:19:12.420 But the executive order,

00:19:14.360 one of the very first

00:19:15.460 day in office,

00:19:16.160 he had that whole stack

00:19:16.980 of executive orders

00:19:17.780 and in one of them

00:19:18.600 it was supposed to be

00:19:19.680 under the guise

00:19:20.660 of some sort of

00:19:21.300 climate change initiative

00:19:22.220 and it was actually

00:19:23.460 putting in writing

00:19:24.720 that the barring

00:19:25.700 that the Trump administration

00:19:26.540 did saying that

00:19:27.220 we're not going to use

00:19:27.700 Chinese products

00:19:28.240 in the U.S. power grid,

00:19:29.700 he lifted that

00:19:30.640 in that very first EO,

00:19:31.920 day one.

00:19:32.540 It was interesting, too,

00:19:33.380 because I have a lot of friends

00:19:34.200 that are in DOD

00:19:35.000 and they were responding

00:19:36.440 back to me,

00:19:37.040 some of them that are actually

00:19:37.980 liberal,

00:19:39.000 which is funny

00:19:39.780 considering the war complex,

00:19:41.500 but they were saying,

00:19:43.380 well, it's not that big

00:19:44.100 of a deal

00:19:44.440 because we traditionally

00:19:45.520 don't utilize Chinese products

00:19:47.240 within our own U.S. power grid

00:19:48.480 and I would say back to that,

00:19:49.700 then what's the problem

00:19:50.300 of having it in writing

00:19:51.160 and making sure

00:19:51.640 that never happens ever?

00:19:54.140 It's just that simple.

00:19:55.440 So we're just in this

00:19:56.220 very weird world

00:19:57.980 or we were in this weird world,

00:19:59.480 now we're entering a world

00:20:00.500 where everything's pretty

00:20:02.300 darn black and white

00:20:03.520 and this administration

00:20:04.880 isn't going to allow

00:20:06.140 things like that to happen.

00:20:07.440 I think it's going to happen

00:20:08.540 either way.

00:20:09.180 I look at Chinese ownership

00:20:11.080 of port technology,

00:20:13.680 of rail technology,

00:20:15.020 of container technology

00:20:16.860 and shipping technology

00:20:18.240 and I remember toiling

00:20:20.860 in this battle

00:20:21.600 against TikTok, right?

00:20:22.840 TikTok is digital fentanyl.

00:20:24.780 We have to get rid of TikTok

00:20:26.020 and now I'm like,

00:20:27.240 man, you know,

00:20:28.280 this stuff is all around us.

00:20:29.800 It's all being collected anyway.

00:20:31.860 Is resistance futile?

00:20:33.500 Vish, are you ready

00:20:34.220 to give in

00:20:35.460 to your Chinese overlords?

00:20:36.480 Look, the Chinese have had

00:20:38.980 every bit of data

00:20:40.180 that the CIA has

00:20:42.300 and everything else on you.

00:20:43.580 I think, honestly,

00:20:45.140 our data's already

00:20:46.260 been out there so much.

00:20:48.060 What I hate is that

00:20:49.260 our data is being weaponized

00:20:50.640 against us, right?

00:20:51.540 And I think Bannon talks

00:20:53.120 about this a lot,

00:20:54.360 that we're in this sort

00:20:55.700 of digital slavery right now

00:20:57.760 where, you know,

00:20:58.980 you, I know, Matt,

00:21:00.160 you talk about the name,

00:21:01.460 image, likeness issue a lot.

00:21:03.720 And when you consider that,

00:21:06.100 the data that you create

00:21:08.140 around you

00:21:09.080 should also be included

00:21:11.000 in the concept

00:21:12.080 of that sort of,

00:21:14.040 you know, name, image, likeness

00:21:15.460 and the data you create

00:21:17.000 by just being yourself

00:21:18.120 and interacting

00:21:18.840 with the world every day

00:21:20.160 that every other company

00:21:21.840 on planet Earth

00:21:22.660 can use, monetize,

00:21:25.020 and weaponize against you,

00:21:26.780 but you can't claim

00:21:28.000 ownership to yourself.

00:21:29.320 I think we should have

00:21:30.640 our own data

00:21:31.980 that we produce

00:21:33.500 with whatever interaction

00:21:35.400 with, you know,

00:21:36.360 technology or the world

00:21:37.420 is out there.

00:21:38.120 That should be in sort of

00:21:39.280 like a digital lockbox

00:21:41.580 that then companies

00:21:43.700 would have to license

00:21:44.600 and pay you

00:21:45.220 if they want to be able

00:21:46.040 to use that data

00:21:47.020 in their own calculations

00:21:48.460 for their own products.

00:21:50.100 But then,

00:21:50.480 so the pushback on that is

00:21:52.340 if you go to that world,

00:21:53.600 it's fine,

00:21:54.440 but then the internet

00:21:55.080 becomes very expensive.

00:21:56.400 Well, the internet

00:21:57.160 becomes very expensive

00:21:58.020 because the reason,

00:21:58.940 the reason the one thing

00:22:00.960 that has not been subject

00:22:02.060 to inflation

00:22:02.680 is the movement of data

00:22:04.320 is because the advertising tech

00:22:06.460 has gotten so good

00:22:07.260 to focus on every person

00:22:08.400 that they know that.

00:22:09.300 And so like if Ginger were here,

00:22:10.700 she would say,

00:22:11.540 well, it's not being

00:22:12.660 weaponized against me

00:22:13.880 that the internet tells me

00:22:15.060 what bras I'm going to like

00:22:16.320 and want to buy.

00:22:17.500 And I think that's great.

00:22:18.780 And the fact that

00:22:19.320 I don't have to pay for Google

00:22:20.660 and it has an awareness

00:22:22.320 of my likes and dislikes

00:22:24.840 is actually a service.

00:22:26.120 Yeah, well,

00:22:26.460 it's never going to be

00:22:27.120 a good position to be in.

00:22:28.200 And I'll just even say

00:22:28.880 from like a DOD,

00:22:29.960 like IC perspective

00:22:30.980 is that a lot of these institutions

00:22:32.840 and covert clandestine operations

00:22:34.460 are actually happening

00:22:35.360 more often in true name travel

00:22:36.800 just because they can't

00:22:37.680 even obfuscate with alias.

00:22:39.420 They're real biometrics.

00:22:40.420 They're real data whatsoever.

00:22:41.840 Down to even like

00:22:42.920 our own passports, right?

00:22:43.880 Those are all biometric passports

00:22:45.140 since what, 2011 or 2006

00:22:48.080 when they started rolling them out.

00:22:49.420 So you can see the little icon

00:22:50.560 on your passport

00:22:51.320 and go to the back

00:22:52.080 and there's the microchip in there

00:22:53.100 and very similar to how you utilize,

00:22:55.100 say, an RFID wallet

00:22:56.560 to make sure that you're

00:22:58.240 not getting skimmed.

00:22:59.500 The same can be done

00:23:00.580 to your passport.

00:23:01.640 But then the weird thing is,

00:23:02.600 right, it's like if you take,

00:23:03.260 not to go on this whole tangent,

00:23:04.120 but then if you take out

00:23:04.740 the microchip off a passport,

00:23:06.320 if you took a microchip

00:23:07.160 off of a credit card,

00:23:08.200 you're still able to use

00:23:09.040 all that data

00:23:09.740 and make some purchases.

00:23:10.920 But if you do that

00:23:11.540 off of a passport,

00:23:13.000 it's a federal crime on the back.

00:23:16.000 I forget what statute it is

00:23:16.880 off the top of my head,

00:23:17.600 but you can take a look

00:23:18.200 and see it yourself.

00:23:19.220 And you're not able

00:23:20.300 to use that

00:23:20.860 to come in and out

00:23:21.620 of the country.

00:23:22.220 So it's just, you know,

00:23:23.000 it's a whole other element

00:23:23.840 of we're constantly

00:23:25.020 answering your question

00:23:26.020 more of the sense of

00:23:26.800 is this how it is?

00:23:28.520 Do you just assume

00:23:29.180 that all your data

00:23:29.740 is being taken?

00:23:30.460 I mean, the answer is yes.

00:23:31.140 But when you go to the TSA,

00:23:32.400 do you let them

00:23:32.780 take a picture of you?

00:23:34.100 Or do you bypass the picture?

00:23:35.840 I'd like to bypass the picture,

00:23:37.140 but I'm telling you right now,

00:23:38.000 all airports...

00:23:38.600 But do you?

00:23:39.500 Do I?

00:23:39.840 If you fly?

00:23:41.240 I'm going to say yes.

00:23:42.440 Not that I'm happy about it,

00:23:43.640 but I'm just going to tell you,

00:23:44.540 even if you bypass that,

00:23:45.940 all those cameras that are...

00:23:47.200 I got you, I got you.

00:23:47.680 Are collecting your data.

00:23:49.140 Do you bypass the picture?

00:23:49.960 I do.

00:23:50.300 I have clear,

00:23:51.040 which is like probably really bad.

00:23:52.880 Clear, you're...

00:23:54.100 Bypass the picture,

00:23:54.920 you're giving up.

00:23:55.420 I know.

00:23:55.520 You're giving up.

00:23:55.800 For real.

00:23:56.620 I was like,

00:23:57.260 I was taking an ex-boyfriend.

00:23:59.280 I had clear.

00:24:00.080 He didn't.

00:24:01.200 And he was going to enroll.

00:24:03.080 And he failed the test.

00:24:05.140 How?

00:24:05.820 About his family members.

00:24:07.140 It's a red flag.

00:24:07.460 Major red flag.

00:24:08.420 The person who was doing it

00:24:09.420 was like,

00:24:09.940 I've never seen this happen.

00:24:11.320 I was like,

00:24:12.540 okay.

00:24:13.800 Even I have clear,

00:24:15.180 and I have a questionable background.

00:24:17.200 No,

00:24:19.300 he like didn't know

00:24:20.280 who his family members were,

00:24:22.160 which is probably

00:24:22.680 its own red flag.

00:24:24.780 But it's an interesting...

00:24:25.620 Let's get into this.

00:24:27.620 Oh man.

00:24:28.320 Another Daily Mail article.

00:24:29.380 No.

00:24:30.060 It's selective outrage too.

00:24:31.680 I think it's quite interesting,

00:24:32.960 right?

00:24:33.140 Obviously being in the White House

00:24:33.980 press briefing room,

00:24:34.940 all these people

00:24:35.500 being apoplectic,

00:24:36.520 melting down over President Trump

00:24:37.800 wanting to,

00:24:38.640 you know,

00:24:38.960 take over Canada

00:24:39.680 or the Panama Canal

00:24:40.560 or the GI-UK gap,

00:24:41.680 which we can have

00:24:42.340 our debates over that.

00:24:43.520 But,

00:24:43.700 you know,

00:24:44.240 none of those people

00:24:44.800 said anything

00:24:45.300 when the Chinese Communist Party

00:24:46.580 was essentially

00:24:47.260 infiltrating this country,

00:24:48.680 de facto invasion,

00:24:49.840 maybe not kinetic,

00:24:50.820 or I don't know,

00:24:51.220 this thing called

00:24:51.640 the Belt and Road Initiative,

00:24:52.660 right?

00:24:52.920 Taking over,

00:24:53.700 seizing infrastructure,

00:24:54.980 imports.

00:24:55.520 And I think my favorite

00:24:56.280 angle of attack

00:24:57.040 that I love hearing now,

00:24:58.560 I believe,

00:24:59.400 what was it,

00:24:59.860 last year,

00:25:00.500 like the World Economic Forum

00:25:01.640 was warning that

00:25:02.400 like cyber pandemics

00:25:03.480 and cyber security,

00:25:04.640 that was going to be

00:25:05.220 the new...

00:25:05.640 Oh yeah.

00:25:05.940 Oh no,

00:25:06.160 we're all going to be

00:25:06.700 locked down

00:25:07.480 because the computers...

00:25:08.300 CISA was on an event,

00:25:10.080 something like that.

00:25:10.640 CISA,

00:25:11.380 rest in power to CISA.

00:25:13.880 But I think

00:25:14.660 the cyber security

00:25:15.920 angle is very interesting

00:25:17.420 and this idea

00:25:18.260 of like,

00:25:18.940 that we're being hacked

00:25:19.620 right by the Chinese

00:25:20.320 Communist Party.

00:25:21.020 Obviously it's true,

00:25:22.360 but like Microsoft,

00:25:23.640 for example,

00:25:24.180 all these private companies,

00:25:25.200 I don't even think

00:25:25.680 it's so much

00:25:26.040 a government thing.

00:25:27.340 Microsoft set up

00:25:28.200 Windows China

00:25:28.880 Government Edition,

00:25:29.820 right?

00:25:30.080 They are so deeply

00:25:31.140 and that's the operating system.

00:25:32.700 If you were Chinese,

00:25:33.860 you would be working

00:25:34.500 for the Microsoft

00:25:35.320 operating system

00:25:36.280 under Xi Jinping.

00:25:37.560 And they consult,

00:25:39.440 contract,

00:25:39.920 do so much business,

00:25:40.860 right?

00:25:41.160 With the Chinese

00:25:41.900 Communist Party

00:25:42.660 where they're essentially,

00:25:44.060 it's not just IP theft,

00:25:45.160 they're handing them

00:25:45.740 the keys to the kingdom,

00:25:46.660 right?

00:25:47.040 They're building it for them.

00:25:48.380 Yeah,

00:25:48.640 so I don't feel bad

00:25:49.900 when Microsoft gets hacked.

00:25:51.260 It's like,

00:25:51.780 what do you expect?

00:25:52.820 You're working

00:25:53.460 with the Chinese

00:25:54.040 Communist Party,

00:25:54.800 you're giving them

00:25:55.660 your IP,

00:25:56.600 you're giving them

00:25:57.460 everything that they

00:25:58.220 could ever want.

00:25:59.860 I think that being said,

00:26:00.840 I think the cyber security

00:26:01.880 issue has also

00:26:02.620 definitely been weaponized.

00:26:04.260 We saw that sort of

00:26:05.020 as the pretext,

00:26:06.360 and not,

00:26:06.780 I was going to say,

00:26:07.200 Patriarch,

00:26:07.700 all that,

00:26:07.960 but with CISA,

00:26:09.020 right,

00:26:09.200 the idea that the

00:26:09.740 cyber security threat

00:26:10.480 was so looming

00:26:11.100 and prevalent

00:26:11.760 that we had to

00:26:12.320 prop up this weird

00:26:13.000 agency that we saw

00:26:13.960 really just get

00:26:14.620 sort of converted

00:26:15.660 into a,

00:26:16.440 you know,

00:26:16.720 monitoring disinformation,

00:26:18.580 monitoring,

00:26:19.200 you know,

00:26:19.400 election conspiracy stuff.

00:26:20.960 Yeah,

00:26:21.260 that's a great point.

00:26:22.200 Even true information.

00:26:23.180 Yeah,

00:26:23.540 yeah,

00:26:23.860 but that was a huge,

00:26:24.960 that was a huge piece

00:26:26.320 of focus for them,

00:26:27.600 CISA specifically

00:26:28.360 talking about

00:26:29.080 the election apparatus

00:26:30.140 leading up into

00:26:31.480 this prior election,

00:26:32.660 saying they had

00:26:33.500 all this guidance

00:26:34.240 for every single

00:26:35.280 federal and local

00:26:37.040 or state election

00:26:38.260 on how to combat

00:26:39.900 misinformation

00:26:40.460 and how to,

00:26:41.680 if it's presented to you,

00:26:43.340 how to sway voters

00:26:44.640 more or less.

00:26:45.400 The tools

00:26:46.980 that people used

00:26:48.740 during the Cold War

00:26:49.700 abroad

00:26:50.160 for dominating

00:26:51.420 the information space

00:26:52.660 like came home

00:26:53.700 to roost.

00:26:54.680 Yeah.

00:26:54.780 And what we know

00:26:55.500 is when we develop

00:26:56.340 a capability

00:26:57.040 that we're using

00:26:57.660 against a foreign adversary,

00:26:58.740 it actually isn't

00:26:59.820 all that long

00:27:01.220 before our own people

00:27:02.780 experienced it here

00:27:03.740 and we didn't have

00:27:04.900 those safeguards in place

00:27:06.160 and now we have to

00:27:07.540 live with the consequences.

00:27:08.660 I think what we've seen

00:27:09.600 with sort of resistance

00:27:10.540 2.0 against Trump

00:27:11.860 is that there really

00:27:12.480 is no meaningful

00:27:13.180 distinction between

00:27:14.180 foreign policy

00:27:15.360 and domestic policy.

00:27:16.340 In other words,

00:27:16.940 right,

00:27:17.060 all the USAID

00:27:18.360 agency tactics

00:27:19.440 that they use

00:27:20.080 to foment

00:27:20.540 these color revolutions,

00:27:21.860 the agitations

00:27:23.020 of certain protest groups

00:27:24.480 or just this idea

00:27:25.380 of democracy,

00:27:26.200 democracy,

00:27:26.820 right,

00:27:26.920 that's like the scariest word

00:27:28.040 you can ever hear

00:27:28.820 from someone

00:27:29.980 who's part of the deep state.

00:27:30.820 But they don't do it

00:27:31.480 as much anymore.

00:27:32.440 Have you noticed that

00:27:33.320 as a little change?

00:27:35.860 Like,

00:27:36.100 I don't hear them

00:27:37.020 complaining about democracy

00:27:38.600 in the same way

00:27:40.520 they did

00:27:41.360 before they lost

00:27:42.380 the election.

00:27:43.120 I would posit

00:27:43.720 that they don't fight enough

00:27:44.840 or whatever.

00:27:46.000 Yeah,

00:27:46.540 this idea that

00:27:47.260 the stakes are so high

00:27:48.600 and we've got to

00:27:49.420 stand on the house floor

00:27:50.780 and be a theater kid

00:27:51.680 for 25 hours.

00:27:52.720 Well,

00:27:53.300 I think that...

00:27:54.480 I think Rachel Maddow's

00:27:55.600 show is very instructive

00:27:57.240 in the sense that

00:27:58.120 one of the key tenets

00:27:59.560 of like Norm Eisen's

00:28:00.900 color revolution playbook

00:28:02.220 impeachment

00:28:02.700 and the election step aside

00:28:04.600 is this idea

00:28:05.700 of contested opposition

00:28:07.540 and like illegitimacy

00:28:09.040 of, say,

00:28:09.980 President Trump,

00:28:10.640 but that's really hard

00:28:11.300 to square with someone

00:28:12.220 who won both the popular vote

00:28:13.620 and the electoral college.

00:28:14.580 So if you watch Rachel Maddow

00:28:15.980 every night,

00:28:16.540 which I'm sad to report

00:28:17.540 that I do...

00:28:18.300 I know that enemy.

00:28:19.000 She spends 20 minutes

00:28:20.800 every single show

00:28:22.220 opening

00:28:23.040 with nonstop footage

00:28:25.280 of protests

00:28:26.620 across the country.

00:28:27.660 They debuted

00:28:28.220 the first ever

00:28:28.960 20 box,

00:28:29.640 not a two box,

00:28:30.360 not a four box,

00:28:31.140 but a 20 split screen

00:28:32.480 of all these protests

00:28:33.540 happening across the country.

00:28:34.720 So I would almost argue

00:28:35.940 that they're sort of...

00:28:36.540 Think of all those cats

00:28:37.500 that have been left

00:28:38.080 to the left.

00:28:38.440 I know,

00:28:39.160 but I think they're sort of

00:28:40.880 in the second stage.

00:28:42.360 I don't think...

00:28:43.080 I think they made

00:28:43.780 their democracy case, right?

00:28:45.000 They made this as the threat

00:28:46.080 and now I think

00:28:47.100 when they talk about autocracy,

00:28:49.200 it's dictator Trump.

00:28:51.020 It's the oligarchy now.

00:28:52.300 It's the rich people.

00:28:53.680 And, you know,

00:28:54.300 all that protest

00:28:54.960 is obviously being funded

00:28:55.840 by billionaires,

00:28:56.540 so square that hypocrisy.

00:28:58.320 But I think it's a lot

00:28:59.860 more dangerous

00:29:00.900 than I think,

00:29:01.340 like I was talking about

00:29:01.980 that Civil War segment

00:29:02.900 on MSNBC.

00:29:03.760 You're really seeing

00:29:04.220 an escalation

00:29:04.800 in the rhetoric.

00:29:05.840 Pramila Jayapal...

00:29:07.220 Vicious thought

00:29:07.840 we've been headed

00:29:08.320 for a civil war

00:29:09.040 for years.

00:29:10.620 I agree.

00:29:11.940 I think it's like

00:29:12.540 a weird hybrid

00:29:13.480 warfare version of it.

00:29:14.420 Pramila Jayapal

00:29:15.180 is on Maddow

00:29:16.360 calling for her audience

00:29:19.020 to be, quote,

00:29:19.680 strike ready

00:29:20.440 and saying that, like,

00:29:21.620 violence is coming

00:29:22.600 and they're doing

00:29:23.160 these trainings

00:29:23.760 with the Harvard

00:29:24.500 Ash Center for Democracy.

00:29:26.560 I mean, this is...

00:29:27.460 It's crazy.

00:29:28.160 Pramila Jayapal, I think,

00:29:29.160 represented the CHAZ,

00:29:30.340 so their version

00:29:31.060 of strike ready

00:29:32.080 probably means

00:29:32.960 you have your poetry book

00:29:34.040 already tucked

00:29:35.380 under your arm.

00:29:36.700 But they're not

00:29:37.340 disavowing, I think,

00:29:38.840 the Tesla stuff

00:29:39.640 and their base

00:29:40.200 has already tried

00:29:40.720 to assassinate

00:29:41.220 President Trump twice.

00:29:42.160 Like, they're trying

00:29:42.640 to give them

00:29:43.100 the political,

00:29:44.160 moral, and ethical

00:29:44.960 cover to do that.

00:29:46.360 I know, while they're

00:29:47.020 destroying the environment.

00:29:48.020 These Tesla protests

00:29:48.860 have such a big

00:29:50.020 carbon footprint.

00:29:50.440 The irony.

00:29:51.200 I feel like

00:29:51.860 Vish has that.

00:29:53.500 Well, I want to tie

00:29:55.020 it all together,

00:29:55.720 to tie it all

00:29:56.400 to what everyone's

00:29:57.800 kind of talking about.

00:29:59.080 I think that

00:30:00.040 what resistance 2.0

00:30:02.000 now is that

00:30:03.420 the presupposition

00:30:05.720 undergirding

00:30:06.540 the whole thing

00:30:07.240 is that democracy

00:30:08.160 is dead, right?

00:30:09.640 I think that

00:30:10.160 that's what they're

00:30:11.300 selling to their

00:30:12.180 audience now.

00:30:13.480 And so now

00:30:14.140 what's to be

00:30:14.860 concerned with

00:30:15.560 is the rise

00:30:16.680 in authoritarianism,

00:30:17.920 right?

00:30:18.060 The rise of autocracy,

00:30:19.420 the rise of

00:30:20.160 the rule by the oligarchs,

00:30:21.880 because they're

00:30:22.860 almost reverting

00:30:24.140 back to an old

00:30:25.180 playbook now,

00:30:26.180 which is

00:30:26.860 to hate the billionaires,

00:30:28.500 right?

00:30:28.880 That's something

00:30:29.600 that's very familiar

00:30:30.560 and very safe

00:30:31.480 for them.

00:30:32.360 And so with,

00:30:33.300 you know,

00:30:33.660 Donald Trump

00:30:34.280 and Elon Musk

00:30:35.120 being there,

00:30:35.940 they're actually

00:30:36.340 kind of finding

00:30:37.300 an easier time

00:30:38.680 in painting that picture.

00:30:40.040 But the problem

00:30:41.500 is that they're

00:30:42.240 only preaching

00:30:42.860 to their choir,

00:30:44.060 right?

00:30:44.400 And so they are

00:30:45.380 now in a,

00:30:46.820 this,

00:30:47.300 you know,

00:30:47.940 2.0 mode

00:30:48.920 where be strike ready

00:30:50.360 because essentially

00:30:51.460 they've already

00:30:52.620 kind of struck

00:30:53.660 and taken down

00:30:54.460 democracy.

00:30:56.120 Authoritarianism

00:30:56.640 is rising,

00:30:57.280 but they don't call it

00:30:58.020 right-wing authoritarianism,

00:30:59.780 at least not yet.

00:31:00.880 But they're calling it

00:31:01.960 authoritarianism

00:31:02.780 because they still

00:31:03.500 want to preserve

00:31:04.260 a sort of patina

00:31:05.860 of being the protectors

00:31:07.260 of democracy

00:31:08.420 that's now

00:31:09.560 damaged or dead.

00:31:11.640 And so we need

00:31:12.240 to be strike ready

00:31:12.940 to go after

00:31:13.880 this rising

00:31:14.760 oligarchic authoritarianism

00:31:16.660 that we're now

00:31:17.600 seeing with Donald Trump

00:31:18.940 and Elon Musk.

00:31:21.120 And if you're

00:31:21.920 going to fight

00:31:22.460 authoritarianism,

00:31:23.780 you might need drugs.

00:31:25.300 And that's where

00:31:25.740 all family pharmacy

00:31:26.660 comes in.

00:31:27.340 RFK Jr.

00:31:28.160 has called it out,

00:31:28.820 Big Pharma and the

00:31:29.420 government worked

00:31:29.920 together to suppress

00:31:31.100 treatments like

00:31:31.720 ivermectin and

00:31:32.360 hydroxychloroquine.

00:31:33.580 Why?

00:31:33.840 Because if they

00:31:34.240 admitted those

00:31:34.680 treatments worked,

00:31:35.500 they couldn't rush

00:31:36.320 through the vax.

00:31:37.400 And let's be honest,

00:31:38.480 Big Pharma wasn't

00:31:39.120 about to let

00:31:39.560 effective alternatives

00:31:40.480 cut into their

00:31:41.100 billion-dollar payday.

00:31:42.440 They didn't just

00:31:42.940 push the vaccine,

00:31:43.880 they made sure

00:31:44.260 you had no other

00:31:45.000 options.

00:31:45.880 Big Pharma wanted

00:31:46.580 to be in charge

00:31:47.060 of your health,

00:31:47.660 not you.

00:31:48.080 They wanted total

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00:31:49.700 used the government

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00:31:50.720 That's why I trust

00:31:51.300 all family pharmacy.

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00:31:53.700 hydroxychloroquine,

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00:32:11.700 of your own health care.

00:32:13.300 Gabby,

00:32:13.600 do you agree with Vish

00:32:14.420 that democracy

00:32:15.240 is already dead?

00:32:16.320 Well, it's dead

00:32:16.960 considering that

00:32:17.800 half the country

00:32:18.780 was okay,

00:32:19.560 or the Democrats

00:32:20.280 were okay with

00:32:21.320 being told who

00:32:22.500 they need to vote for

00:32:23.440 and ousting,

00:32:24.400 you know,

00:32:24.680 Joe Biden and putting

00:32:25.980 Kamala Harris

00:32:26.700 in the seat.

00:32:27.700 There's no,

00:32:28.620 that's what's so bizarre

00:32:29.900 to me is that

00:32:30.480 it's so clear as day

00:32:31.960 that everything

00:32:32.980 that the left

00:32:34.200 has been saying

00:32:34.940 and screaming about

00:32:36.080 is exactly what

00:32:37.000 they did to their own

00:32:37.500 people.

00:32:37.760 I know we talk about

00:32:38.380 this all the time,

00:32:39.120 but I'm wondering

00:32:41.120 in society

00:32:42.220 and with these

00:32:42.940 younger people,

00:32:43.800 what are we missing?

00:32:45.940 What messaging

00:32:46.520 are we missing?

00:32:47.580 Does it come with age?

00:32:48.980 Does it get

00:32:49.300 becoming wiser?

00:32:50.200 No, the young people

00:32:51.000 are the ones that are

00:32:51.460 the most base now.

00:32:52.260 Yeah, which is great,

00:32:53.340 but at the same time...

00:32:54.220 The young ones

00:32:54.640 have seen

00:32:55.120 their older

00:32:56.080 millennial brothers,

00:32:57.300 sisters, aunts, uncles

00:32:58.360 live a more

00:33:00.820 miserable life

00:33:01.620 in a pod somewhere,

00:33:02.800 get into some

00:33:03.400 30-year fixed mortgage

00:33:04.620 that isn't going

00:33:05.580 to ever build wealth,

00:33:07.180 that goes and accrues

00:33:08.460 $150,000 in college debt

00:33:10.480 to get some $42,000

00:33:12.380 a year starting job,

00:33:13.840 and what they've said

00:33:14.780 is we're staying

00:33:15.740 home with our parents,

00:33:16.980 we're not necessarily

00:33:17.800 going to college,

00:33:19.140 but you know what?

00:33:19.840 Now they actually

00:33:20.580 want to get married

00:33:21.820 and have families,

00:33:23.680 and which direction

00:33:24.980 do you think

00:33:25.520 the under-30s are going,

00:33:27.280 Natalie?

00:33:27.900 Well, to answer,

00:33:29.600 fuse that with your

00:33:30.200 question, too,

00:33:30.760 I think War Room

00:33:31.960 is probably partly

00:33:32.820 responsible, as they

00:33:33.620 would say,

00:33:33.840 for killing democracy,

00:33:35.020 so I'll give Steve

00:33:36.160 Bannon a pat on the

00:33:36.940 back for that,

00:33:38.760 but I think it sort of

00:33:39.500 gets to the question

00:33:40.300 at the heart of it,

00:33:40.840 like, what even

00:33:42.480 is democracy, right?

00:33:43.840 What Americans are

00:33:45.460 benefited by the

00:33:46.680 USAID concept

00:33:47.840 of soft power abroad,

00:33:49.480 right?

00:33:49.760 If you look at

00:33:50.460 democracy through the

00:33:51.440 lens of what they

00:33:52.160 purport Ukraine to be,

00:33:53.820 well, then democracy

00:33:54.680 seems to be just like

00:33:55.880 some limited hangout,

00:33:57.320 you know, siren song

00:33:58.300 cover for a way that

00:33:59.640 the globalist elites

00:34:00.880 can enrich themselves

00:34:01.920 off of really weird

00:34:03.420 color revolution tactics,

00:34:05.600 money laundering,

00:34:06.500 unaudited aid packages,

00:34:07.980 so yeah.

00:34:08.860 I would wear this to

00:34:09.640 Ukraine.

00:34:10.560 I was going to say,

00:34:14.120 Matt,

00:34:14.540 we just need to change.

00:34:15.380 Matt,

00:34:15.400 Selensky in the springtime.

00:34:17.460 I was going to say,

00:34:18.340 Matt,

00:34:18.600 when did you,

00:34:19.160 I was going to say,

00:34:21.280 Matt,

00:34:21.480 when did you decide

00:34:22.260 that you wanted to do

00:34:23.100 your best impression

00:34:24.040 of Vladimir Zelensky

00:34:25.380 with that outfit?

00:34:26.680 What are your favorite

00:34:27.620 lines is saying,

00:34:29.080 who's the next guy

00:34:29.880 in a sweatsuit

00:34:30.560 that's going to run

00:34:31.800 Ukraine?

00:34:32.340 I guess that's going

00:34:33.020 to be you.

00:34:33.640 me.

00:34:35.580 I want Crimea.

00:34:37.080 They can have the rest

00:34:38.000 of Ukraine.

00:34:38.660 I want Crimea.

00:34:39.520 You've got to shut

00:34:40.060 down the biolabs.

00:34:41.200 I think that this would

00:34:43.600 be the outfit to do

00:34:44.420 just that,

00:34:45.580 to shut down the biolabs.

00:34:46.800 And I think that you're

00:34:48.280 right that we viewed

00:34:49.700 soft power through the

00:34:51.180 lens of the worst forms

00:34:54.560 of bribery.

00:34:55.660 Like,

00:34:55.880 we don't even do bribery

00:34:56.800 right.

00:34:57.360 The Chinese get bribery.

00:34:58.620 It's a bunch of U.S. dollars

00:35:01.260 in a suitcase delivered

00:35:03.100 to some prime minister's

00:35:04.560 cousin somewhere,

00:35:05.720 which I think is, like,

00:35:06.560 pretty close to what

00:35:07.240 happened in the CEFC case

00:35:08.640 where they were involved

00:35:11.540 in that stuff before

00:35:12.260 the Hunter Biden stuff.

00:35:13.120 Son, not cousin, yeah.

00:35:13.800 Right, whatever.

00:35:15.400 But I think that you've got,

00:35:18.800 you know,

00:35:19.120 this global situation

00:35:21.240 where the Chinese bribe,

00:35:22.480 the Russians provide muscle,

00:35:23.840 and then we show up,

00:35:24.860 like,

00:35:25.180 wondering when you're going

00:35:26.660 to have Transgender Day

00:35:28.120 of awareness.

00:35:29.240 We couldn't even do

00:35:30.440 the Belt and Road Initiative

00:35:31.380 if we wanted to, right?

00:35:33.160 Like,

00:35:33.620 we would try to win

00:35:34.760 hearts and minds.

00:35:36.240 I mean,

00:35:36.780 I don't even really think

00:35:37.740 the trope of, like,

00:35:38.580 the transgender musical

00:35:39.580 is all that reductive.

00:35:40.820 Like,

00:35:41.120 that's what we're funding,

00:35:42.900 right?

00:35:43.240 And I think that Ukraine

00:35:44.460 is sort of this

00:35:45.220 great example of it,

00:35:46.560 but I think it plays

00:35:47.400 itself out

00:35:48.000 time and time again.

00:35:51.080 And

00:35:51.560 I think the most compelling

00:35:53.360 thing that I saw

00:35:54.240 under Biden

00:35:55.180 when they saw

00:35:55.880 that the support

00:35:56.500 for the Ukraine

00:35:58.080 stuff was dipping,

00:35:59.600 plummeting,

00:36:00.100 their hemorrhaging support

00:36:00.920 faster than,

00:36:01.640 I guess,

00:36:01.940 Kamala.

00:36:03.240 They were like,

00:36:04.180 how do we dupe

00:36:04.940 the American people

00:36:05.760 into supporting this?

00:36:07.120 And instead of saying,

00:36:08.080 you know what,

00:36:08.340 we'll do a comprehensive,

00:36:09.760 full-scale audit,

00:36:11.000 we'll show them the facts,

00:36:11.980 we'll show them the numbers,

00:36:13.360 they were like,

00:36:13.760 we're going to lie

00:36:14.300 to the American people

00:36:15.260 and do a whole propaganda,

00:36:17.340 you know,

00:36:17.640 brigade,

00:36:18.700 or barrage,

00:36:19.300 rather,

00:36:19.760 in local media

00:36:20.660 saying that

00:36:21.420 the Ukraine aid packages

00:36:22.420 are really good

00:36:23.120 for the American

00:36:23.740 industrial base

00:36:24.680 and for American workers.

00:36:25.960 And it's like,

00:36:26.380 well,

00:36:26.500 yeah,

00:36:26.940 maybe it's good

00:36:27.580 for the Boeing

00:36:28.280 or Raytheon

00:36:29.120 or Lockheed CEO,

00:36:30.560 but it's not really great

00:36:31.980 for the average

00:36:32.620 American worker.

00:36:34.360 And also,

00:36:35.020 sure,

00:36:35.340 building stuff

00:36:36.060 is good for the economy.

00:36:37.260 We could build stuff

00:36:37.920 for us.

00:36:38.320 We could build anything.

00:36:38.860 That'd be nice.

00:36:39.140 Imagine the America

00:36:41.480 that we would live in

00:36:42.940 if military defense contractors

00:36:45.060 and the military industrial complex

00:36:46.600 viewed the southern border

00:36:47.920 as a region

00:36:48.880 as lucrative to weaponize

00:36:50.360 as they did,

00:36:51.080 like,

00:36:51.380 every other country

00:36:52.160 in the Middle East.

00:36:52.680 The only way to do that

00:36:53.560 is to send some Kurds there

00:36:54.740 because they care about

00:36:55.860 any place where you put Kurds.

00:36:56.980 And some,

00:36:57.420 like,

00:36:57.500 minorities

00:36:57.960 and some,

00:36:58.780 like,

00:36:59.060 you know,

00:36:59.280 apparently,

00:36:59.660 like,

00:36:59.820 gay Venezuelan refugees

00:37:00.900 or some Trendy Aragua members.

00:37:02.240 You know what?

00:37:02.720 We're doing the next

00:37:03.500 transgendered musical

00:37:04.680 in El Paso

00:37:06.000 so that the globalists

00:37:07.380 who care about

00:37:08.000 the southern border.

00:37:08.880 No,

00:37:09.040 it's just all,

00:37:09.640 it's so buck wild to me

00:37:10.740 because we've talked

00:37:11.300 about this before,

00:37:12.080 but even the government

00:37:13.060 as a whole,

00:37:13.760 I mean,

00:37:14.140 the Ukraine,

00:37:14.940 there's a non-frat policy,

00:37:16.200 and we've talked about this,

00:37:16.980 right,

00:37:17.400 where it's your traditionals,

00:37:18.960 your China,

00:37:19.660 your Russia,

00:37:20.440 your North Korea,

00:37:21.200 Iran.

00:37:22.520 Belarus is on there.

00:37:24.180 Ukraine was also on there.

00:37:25.800 And it wasn't until

00:37:26.460 the Trump administration,

00:37:27.340 or sorry,

00:37:27.620 the Biden administration.

00:37:28.800 When you say

00:37:29.120 a no-frat policy.

00:37:30.200 It's a no-frat policy

00:37:31.300 for certain,

00:37:32.080 so there's a non-frat policy

00:37:33.780 in the government-wide,

00:37:35.380 but there were particular

00:37:36.580 covert groups

00:37:37.600 within the agency,

00:37:38.800 meaning that they can't do,

00:37:40.340 basically,

00:37:41.320 not a friend,

00:37:42.460 not conversational,

00:37:43.940 they can't do lodging

00:37:46.700 with anyone from Ukraine

00:37:48.180 or anyone that's on that list,

00:37:49.300 they cannot do business

00:37:50.240 with them,

00:37:51.140 nothing.

00:37:51.480 So is it fair to say

00:37:53.100 that we should not

00:37:55.020 send weapons

00:37:55.940 to a country

00:37:57.200 that our own

00:37:58.620 public servants

00:37:59.820 cannot have

00:38:00.380 a one-night stand with?

00:38:01.580 Yeah,

00:38:02.080 I think that's a fair,

00:38:02.920 that's an easy ask,

00:38:03.960 I mean,

00:38:04.180 why not?

00:38:04.780 But it's just

00:38:05.400 absolutely wild

00:38:06.180 because that was

00:38:07.040 always a relentless

00:38:07.960 yearly briefing

00:38:09.280 for specific groups

00:38:10.940 within the intelligence community,

00:38:12.140 and as soon as

00:38:13.260 the Ukraine war

00:38:13.820 popped off,

00:38:14.420 like right before

00:38:15.740 it became national news,

00:38:17.760 suddenly on those briefs,

00:38:18.960 Ukraine was off the list,

00:38:20.220 and it was noticeable,

00:38:21.380 but no one was ever able

00:38:22.420 to ask questions about it.

00:38:23.500 So that just brings

00:38:24.380 on a whole other element

00:38:25.280 of, you know,

00:38:26.160 this was this whole propaganda

00:38:27.840 and trying to fool

00:38:29.500 the American people.

00:38:30.820 They were also,

00:38:31.680 the larger government

00:38:32.740 is trying to fool

00:38:33.380 the people who do sign up

00:38:34.680 for the right reasons

00:38:35.440 and want to serve their country.

00:38:36.540 I wonder if we'll get fooled again

00:38:37.660 because you see

00:38:38.640 where the hawks

00:38:39.440 are going next.

00:38:40.140 They've kind of lost

00:38:40.780 the argument on Ukraine

00:38:42.020 in no small part

00:38:43.160 thanks to your incredible

00:38:44.400 reporting at the war room

00:38:45.680 and the way you guys

00:38:46.580 have mobilized

00:38:47.380 a vocal audience

00:38:48.900 of ambassadors.

00:38:49.660 I think you helped us

00:38:50.600 in Congress.

00:38:51.520 Well, I did my part,

00:38:53.140 but, you know,

00:38:53.880 the Iran threat

00:38:56.720 seems to be one

00:38:58.740 that has a lot of focus,

00:39:00.500 the China threat,

00:39:01.400 and I just wonder

00:39:02.240 how much of that

00:39:04.880 is constructed

00:39:05.520 in some ways.

00:39:06.740 Not so much as to China,

00:39:08.500 but with Iran.

00:39:09.640 Well, just real quick

00:39:10.560 on the China stuff.

00:39:11.480 That was what actually

00:39:12.440 made me sort of resentful

00:39:14.440 of doing my reporting

00:39:15.460 because I saw

00:39:17.220 all these neocon

00:39:19.060 and sort of establish

00:39:19.880 a Republican.

00:39:20.440 Oh, that was neocon

00:39:21.440 anti-reg porn.

00:39:22.960 Exactly.

00:39:23.600 Using it to justify

00:39:24.660 a bloated defense budget.

00:39:26.280 And I'm like,

00:39:26.680 okay, well then

00:39:27.140 delist them from

00:39:27.800 the stock exchange

00:39:28.600 if there's such a threat.

00:39:29.660 Like, stop buying

00:39:30.380 Alibaba stock.

00:39:32.200 But on the Iran...

00:39:33.100 We gave them money

00:39:34.000 for the businesses

00:39:34.820 the Chinese owned

00:39:36.120 in the United States

00:39:36.980 after COVID.

00:39:37.940 Yes, I remember.

00:39:38.600 That was the first

00:39:39.240 war room hit

00:39:39.800 that I ever did.

00:39:40.640 Fun fact,

00:39:41.220 I didn't have Wi-Fi

00:39:41.880 in my house,

00:39:42.480 so I had to do it

00:39:42.880 at a friend's house

00:39:43.440 and I was standing up.

00:39:44.620 We've come very far.

00:39:45.560 I know the home studio.

00:39:46.860 Nice.

00:39:47.140 I'll probably get

00:39:47.580 swatted in, no.

00:39:49.560 One day.

00:39:51.440 To the Iran point,

00:39:53.780 yeah, I mean,

00:39:54.500 I...

00:39:55.140 Well, I think you,

00:39:57.160 what you did in Congress,

00:39:58.100 right,

00:39:58.220 the idea of needing

00:39:59.400 the authorization,

00:40:00.920 the use of force stuff,

00:40:01.820 like,

00:40:02.480 I think that paradigm

00:40:03.200 still exists

00:40:03.940 and I think

00:40:04.600 we're playing

00:40:06.060 on a very slippery slope

00:40:07.380 of being able

00:40:08.300 to just start

00:40:08.880 striking people

00:40:09.840 and doing it

00:40:10.440 sort of...

00:40:11.140 Well, how proud

00:40:12.440 were you of J.D. Vance

00:40:13.500 when you saw

00:40:14.220 in the Houthi group chat

00:40:15.720 that he was

00:40:17.260 working to apply

00:40:18.620 some logic

00:40:19.460 and reason

00:40:20.020 to whose interests

00:40:21.240 were most affected there?

00:40:22.780 that's so out

00:40:23.880 of the ordinary

00:40:24.520 for, like,

00:40:25.400 saying that,

00:40:26.020 hey,

00:40:26.500 countries...

00:40:26.940 I'm glad anyone

00:40:27.740 on the Houthi group chat

00:40:28.920 is saying these things,

00:40:29.920 okay?

00:40:30.140 But it's just wild.

00:40:30.880 Like,

00:40:31.100 it should have been

00:40:31.720 the only thing I liked.

00:40:32.600 Right?

00:40:32.800 The fact that, like,

00:40:33.360 that's an anomaly

00:40:34.140 is just so absurd.

00:40:35.540 Yeah.

00:40:36.240 No.

00:40:37.280 I'm still wanting answers

00:40:39.160 for, what,

00:40:40.160 2014, 2015

00:40:41.140 when we did

00:40:41.740 the Yemen retrograde

00:40:43.180 of soft elements.

00:40:44.820 We were getting hit

00:40:46.040 so badly

00:40:46.600 by the strikes

00:40:47.380 over by the Houthis

00:40:48.520 and Iran strikes

00:40:49.560 that the direction

00:40:51.660 from the soft elements,

00:40:52.940 they were told

00:40:53.380 to ditch

00:40:53.920 all of their gear

00:40:54.880 and put it in land

00:40:57.140 out on the coast

00:40:58.140 of the Red Sea

00:40:58.840 and cover it

00:40:59.680 with cement.

00:41:00.620 And so all of that stuff

00:41:01.620 is still there.

00:41:03.260 And since then,

00:41:03.940 all we've done

00:41:04.440 is operate

00:41:04.980 about 120 kilometers out.

00:41:07.140 Granted, yes,

00:41:07.700 have our strikes been...

00:41:08.140 Yeah, but why do we

00:41:08.640 want to be in Yemen?

00:41:09.400 No, I'm not saying

00:41:10.820 that we want to be.

00:41:11.740 I'm just saying...

00:41:11.980 Why should we give

00:41:12.740 a rip about the Houthis?

00:41:15.280 It's an honest question

00:41:16.540 that I have.

00:41:16.760 No, and I'm with you,

00:41:17.720 but I'm just saying

00:41:18.440 in the sense of, like,

00:41:19.300 we still are kind of

00:41:20.500 just, like,

00:41:20.900 tripping over ourselves

00:41:21.780 and trying to handle

00:41:22.780 a situation so far

00:41:24.120 and yonder out there

00:41:25.060 and we haven't corrected

00:41:26.840 any former mistakes

00:41:27.880 and we have all the skiers

00:41:28.820 still down there

00:41:29.540 and there's no response.

00:41:31.620 It's like we do things

00:41:32.640 and then we kind of just

00:41:33.300 move along next issue.

00:41:34.800 But I know this.

00:41:36.420 Nobody has ever won

00:41:37.900 and controlled anything

00:41:38.840 with just a bunch

00:41:39.820 of airstrikes.

00:41:40.720 So we can bomb them

00:41:41.760 to smithereens,

00:41:42.860 we can bomb them again,

00:41:44.300 but we're not going to,

00:41:44.940 like, displace the Houthis

00:41:47.340 from Yemen

00:41:47.860 with a series of air bombings.

00:41:49.800 So then the question becomes

00:41:50.860 who's going to actually

00:41:51.800 go in there

00:41:52.500 and occupy Yemen

00:41:53.900 if not the Houthis?

00:41:55.460 I do not want that

00:41:56.060 to be the United States.

00:41:56.520 Nobody needs a new hobby.

00:41:57.820 Yeah, I send Fauci.

00:42:00.000 I don't know.

00:42:00.500 I also think, too,

00:42:01.540 like, say for some reason

00:42:03.320 the Houthis are, like,

00:42:04.420 the new big bad guys in town.

00:42:06.840 I just don't understand

00:42:08.020 then, not Democrats

00:42:09.320 explicitly or solely,

00:42:10.900 but then, like,

00:42:11.360 they're sort of established

00:42:12.120 Republican wing, too.

00:42:13.500 Then those should be

00:42:14.100 the people who are

00:42:14.700 the loudest people

00:42:15.880 in the room saying

00:42:16.560 that we need to shut down

00:42:17.380 the southern border

00:42:18.040 because the Houthis

00:42:19.000 are going to be

00:42:19.400 exploiting that, right?

00:42:20.360 They're going to be in here

00:42:20.920 trying to commit terrorist attacks.

00:42:22.080 It's just you can't

00:42:22.960 square the logic train.

00:42:23.920 I don't think

00:42:24.320 driver's Houthi

00:42:25.160 has been more than,

00:42:26.180 like, 20 miles

00:42:26.900 from their home.

00:42:27.820 Exactly.

00:42:28.660 Yeah, but that's

00:42:29.480 exactly my point.

00:42:30.500 It's all fake

00:42:31.180 and performative

00:42:31.900 and it's, like,

00:42:32.560 right, I guess,

00:42:33.180 the cliche,

00:42:33.960 the ghost of John Bolton,

00:42:35.320 right?

00:42:35.640 He never seems to go away.

00:42:36.620 I guess he's still alive.

00:42:37.680 But, yeah,

00:42:38.800 it's the same old,

00:42:39.800 same old.

00:42:40.180 They need a new gas bill.

00:42:40.940 Alive and not with

00:42:42.560 Secret Service protection

00:42:43.860 anymore.

00:42:44.560 Or security.

00:42:45.620 Yeah.

00:42:46.440 Something like that.

00:42:47.380 You know,

00:42:47.560 the good thing about that

00:42:48.320 is that he looks like

00:42:49.260 so many other people

00:42:50.120 I see in D.C.

00:42:50.940 so, like,

00:42:51.460 he's just blending

00:42:52.500 in the mix.

00:42:53.320 Like, he doesn't,

00:42:53.860 do you really need

00:42:54.560 to protect your eyes?

00:42:55.140 John Bolton is a disguise

00:42:57.040 in and of himself.

00:42:57.640 Yeah, exactly.

00:42:58.300 Well, it's true.

00:42:58.960 He's nothing to fear

00:42:59.320 from the Iranians

00:43:00.120 and the Dukes.

00:43:00.480 How we are,

00:43:01.200 what is it,

00:43:01.460 Party City?

00:43:02.400 You know,

00:43:02.740 like,

00:43:02.840 don't you ever see,

00:43:03.340 like,

00:43:03.400 the masks

00:43:03.820 where it's,

00:43:04.260 like,

00:43:04.300 glasses and a mustache?

00:43:05.600 I'm like,

00:43:05.820 he's good.

00:43:06.680 Like,

00:43:06.820 he's good.

00:43:07.320 He's good.

00:43:08.020 He doesn't need him.

00:43:08.900 He's got next Halloween costume.

00:43:10.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:11.100 All right,

00:43:11.420 to close out,

00:43:12.000 we've got to do this segment

00:43:12.820 because I told everybody

00:43:13.580 to prepare for it.

00:43:14.500 I want to talk about

00:43:15.260 what the biggest vibe shift,

00:43:17.020 or at least one

00:43:17.680 that everyone has been able

00:43:18.560 to assess,

00:43:19.580 from kind of the,

00:43:20.840 you can choose

00:43:21.400 from the Biden era

00:43:22.280 to the Trump era

00:43:23.200 or from Trump 1.0

00:43:25.520 to Trump 2.0.

00:43:27.380 And Natalie,

00:43:27.840 first I want to hear,

00:43:28.740 like,

00:43:29.260 the vibe shift

00:43:30.000 in the White House

00:43:31.320 briefing room

00:43:32.480 where you go to work

00:43:33.340 every day.

00:43:34.460 Bring us in the room.

00:43:35.420 I feel like I am

00:43:36.200 ground zero

00:43:36.760 of the vibe shift.

00:43:37.800 You are the vibe shift.

00:43:39.060 Everyone hates me.

00:43:40.020 The vibe shift is pink.

00:43:41.500 They love to hate me.

00:43:42.520 I know.

00:43:44.760 Well,

00:43:45.380 there's several

00:43:45.880 new media outlets

00:43:46.580 in there, right?

00:43:47.660 And I think it's really

00:43:49.240 just a reflection

00:43:49.860 of sort of the trend,

00:43:51.520 the ascendancy,

00:43:52.220 I've called it

00:43:52.620 a Thucydides trap

00:43:53.720 of the legacy media

00:43:55.100 and the new media stuff,

00:43:56.180 which I think there's

00:43:56.720 even a sort of

00:43:57.360 an interesting,

00:43:58.540 inherent,

00:43:59.260 almost tacit admission there

00:44:00.420 that all the new media

00:44:01.360 that's growing

00:44:01.880 and expanding

00:44:02.500 is right-leaning, right?

00:44:04.060 That's what they try

00:44:04.580 to do the gotcha on.

00:44:05.420 Oh, the new media

00:44:06.100 is just right-wing.

00:44:06.880 It's like,

00:44:08.020 yeah,

00:44:08.720 don't you understand?

00:44:09.320 That's called a self-own.

00:44:11.080 But when I'm

00:44:12.140 actually in there,

00:44:13.240 I mean,

00:44:13.460 they have like posters

00:44:14.200 all over the wall,

00:44:15.000 like,

00:44:15.160 we stand with AP.

00:44:16.420 I've seen those.

00:44:17.240 And they're,

00:44:18.820 I'm standing in the restroom

00:44:19.780 and there's like a group

00:44:20.820 of people outside

00:44:21.660 and they were like,

00:44:22.580 it was like a Tuesday,

00:44:24.080 they're like,

00:44:24.420 it's this week,

00:44:25.100 it's just,

00:44:25.920 I can't believe

00:44:26.980 they're trying

00:44:27.580 to deconstruct

00:44:29.160 everything and just

00:44:30.760 take it all down.

00:44:31.940 Very Bannon-esque.

00:44:33.620 And they're like,

00:44:34.140 this is not what

00:44:34.600 the American people

00:44:35.400 want to hear about.

00:44:36.440 And I was like,

00:44:37.480 no,

00:44:37.800 that's precisely

00:44:38.720 what the American people

00:44:40.120 voted for.

00:44:41.780 So it's cool

00:44:42.620 to have a front row seat

00:44:43.600 to like the hotbed,

00:44:44.640 ground zero of resistance.

00:44:46.940 But I would say

00:44:47.720 I'm kind of underwhelmed.

00:44:48.720 They're pseudo-intellectuals

00:44:50.000 and they're really

00:44:50.520 not all that intelligent.

00:44:51.480 And they dress terribly.

00:44:52.560 They're dressed terribly.

00:44:54.180 They really do.

00:44:55.220 Well, I just,

00:44:55.960 I'm anti-pantsuit

00:44:57.040 because I think

00:44:57.880 embracing your femininity

00:44:59.040 and not.

00:44:59.460 I got a short suit on.

00:45:00.700 There you go.

00:45:01.440 She got it in.

00:45:02.100 I didn't want everybody

00:45:02.760 to know I was wearing shorts.

00:45:03.800 Okay, back to you.

00:45:04.560 I love wearing pink.

00:45:05.560 You know,

00:45:05.720 what can I say?

00:45:06.800 They don't like it.

00:45:07.980 So, you know,

00:45:08.360 I like to double down,

00:45:09.660 become obsessed.

00:45:10.580 My last point

00:45:11.920 on the fashion though,

00:45:12.900 which I was talking

00:45:14.080 about recently

00:45:14.840 in one of my profile pieces,

00:45:15.960 I don't know

00:45:16.200 if I'll make the cut,

00:45:17.140 but there's always

00:45:18.060 these long glowing profiles

00:45:19.600 on like Caitlin Collins

00:45:21.220 and those types

00:45:21.920 for dressing so professionally

00:45:25.060 and how they view

00:45:25.640 their pantsuits

00:45:26.280 and their blazers

00:45:26.960 as like how to convey

00:45:28.380 a sense of professionalism

00:45:29.540 on air.

00:45:30.200 And I'm like,

00:45:30.600 okay,

00:45:30.900 maybe that's what

00:45:31.400 you want to do.

00:45:31.940 My information is compelling

00:45:33.140 because it's true

00:45:34.180 and the American people

00:45:35.060 know that it's true.

00:45:36.320 So even if I were wearing

00:45:37.500 a tank top

00:45:38.340 and I had a horrible

00:45:38.940 background behind me,

00:45:40.340 the facts are on my side.

00:45:41.700 I don't need to do

00:45:42.340 this whole performative,

00:45:43.500 you know,

00:45:43.840 costuming to try

00:45:45.520 to dupe the American people

00:45:46.740 into believing

00:45:47.240 what I'm saying.

00:45:48.320 One person who knows

00:45:49.280 a lot about performative

00:45:50.160 costuming is Vish Burra.

00:45:51.320 Vish,

00:45:51.720 what vibe shift

00:45:52.640 have you noticed?

00:45:54.300 Well,

00:45:54.460 I think for me,

00:45:55.300 the vibe shift

00:45:55.980 in the streets

00:45:56.640 is always the most important.

00:45:58.640 And,

00:45:58.760 you know,

00:45:59.720 back in 2017

00:46:01.800 when I was a young activist

00:46:04.640 out in Manhattan

00:46:05.740 and there were lots

00:46:06.640 of protests

00:46:07.580 happening outside

00:46:08.480 of Trump Tower

00:46:09.340 in the fresh days

00:46:10.120 of his presidency,

00:46:11.640 you know,

00:46:11.960 it would only be like

00:46:13.620 me,

00:46:14.640 the crew of dudes

00:46:16.300 who were,

00:46:17.240 you know,

00:46:17.520 the activists at the time

00:46:18.840 and the girls

00:46:19.500 with us

00:46:20.140 who would all

00:46:20.820 be wearing MAGA hats.

00:46:22.400 Now,

00:46:23.120 today,

00:46:23.520 you go out

00:46:24.060 into the streets

00:46:24.840 of Manhattan

00:46:25.860 or even downtown

00:46:27.100 San Diego,

00:46:28.440 I happen to see

00:46:29.580 a few women

00:46:30.540 wearing MAGA hats

00:46:31.860 just walking around.

00:46:32.920 That was unheard of,

00:46:35.500 right,

00:46:35.860 when Trump won

00:46:37.460 during that

00:46:38.560 Resistance 1.0 era.

00:46:40.800 Another thing,

00:46:41.520 as I was riding

00:46:42.220 my e-bike

00:46:43.000 into work

00:46:44.160 the other day,

00:46:45.440 I noticed

00:46:46.180 there was a pickup truck

00:46:48.280 in front of me

00:46:49.060 and he's got

00:46:50.400 a massive Trump

00:46:51.520 sticker

00:46:52.260 on his rear window.

00:46:54.400 Again,

00:46:54.820 just unheard of.

00:46:56.120 The fact that people

00:46:57.400 are openly

00:46:58.220 expressing their support

00:47:00.660 for Trump,

00:47:02.220 for MAGA,

00:47:03.060 for America First,

00:47:04.560 the fear factor

00:47:05.820 is now totally gone.

00:47:07.200 That is a massive

00:47:08.840 vibe shift,

00:47:09.600 right,

00:47:09.820 because on the ground,

00:47:11.540 especially with the grassroots,

00:47:12.680 if every day

00:47:13.460 those people show up

00:47:14.940 and express their support

00:47:16.040 openly without fear,

00:47:17.840 that only allows

00:47:19.120 our movement to grow

00:47:20.080 because other people

00:47:21.080 will then find

00:47:21.840 that it's okay

00:47:22.600 to express their love

00:47:24.360 for Trump,

00:47:25.280 MAGA,

00:47:25.580 or America.

00:47:29.340 Gabby,

00:47:29.900 what's your vibe shift?

00:47:30.740 I've got to tell you,

00:47:31.360 I was in California recently,

00:47:32.540 I was in San Diego,

00:47:33.540 and same thing,

00:47:34.260 I saw MAGA hats

00:47:35.060 and no one blinked twice.

00:47:37.000 Anything that I heard

00:47:37.820 from anyone was,

00:47:38.660 I like your hat,

00:47:39.520 and I told the girl

00:47:40.400 I liked her hat too,

00:47:41.500 so I'm with it,

00:47:42.400 but obviously I have to answer

00:47:43.760 from a DOD perspective

00:47:44.700 because I can't help myself,

00:47:45.680 and just being at the Pentagon,

00:47:46.960 okay,

00:47:47.240 first off,

00:47:48.120 they decided that

00:47:49.120 they're no longer allowing

00:47:50.120 for nail polish,

00:47:51.680 so the Biden administration

00:47:53.060 said yes to nail polish,

00:47:54.460 yes to highlights,

00:47:55.140 you can do your thing,

00:47:56.000 be sassy with it,

00:47:57.020 go transgender,

00:47:58.360 and this administration

00:47:59.720 totally cut the cord on that,

00:48:01.280 so the vibe shift...

00:48:02.420 Nail polish and highlights?

00:48:03.260 Yeah,

00:48:03.800 no,

00:48:04.120 no more highlights,

00:48:04.980 no more nail polish,

00:48:06.380 it's good,

00:48:07.540 because what is it?

00:48:08.380 Do you have to do the balayage?

00:48:08.980 No,

00:48:09.220 no,

00:48:09.360 no,

00:48:09.440 none of that,

00:48:09.980 no,

00:48:10.120 you can't do it,

00:48:10.720 you can't do it,

00:48:11.280 so you don't look too excited

00:48:12.540 about this,

00:48:12.940 but this is a good thing,

00:48:13.720 we don't want,

00:48:14.300 the vibe shift is good.

00:48:16.080 Against highlights?

00:48:17.780 Listen,

00:48:18.300 listen,

00:48:18.640 you can't...

00:48:18.920 I don't know that you've got

00:48:19.380 to be made to win wars.

00:48:20.840 Hey,

00:48:21.060 can I just say,

00:48:21.940 can I say this goes for the guys

00:48:23.020 and the girls?

00:48:23.520 That's an amazing one.

00:48:24.140 Point being,

00:48:24.560 point being that the guys

00:48:26.380 are not doing their nail polish,

00:48:27.780 they don't got their frosted tips

00:48:29.080 going on,

00:48:29.820 everyone is coming to work

00:48:30.980 in uniform as expected

00:48:32.560 with this administration.

00:48:34.200 I had frosted tips one.

00:48:35.440 Oh,

00:48:35.600 did you?

00:48:35.960 That's okay,

00:48:36.340 it was a phase,

00:48:37.060 it's all right,

00:48:37.820 it's all right.

00:48:38.200 I haven't done it before,

00:48:38.960 but maybe when I start graying

00:48:39.920 a little bit,

00:48:40.320 I'll do a little something.

00:48:40.860 Okay,

00:48:41.080 so the imagery.

00:48:41.940 The imagery from the Pentagon,

00:48:43.940 I say heck yeah to that,

00:48:44.880 but also the sentiments too,

00:48:46.020 because I'm hearing a lot of people,

00:48:47.920 especially on the public affairs side,

00:48:49.740 which those people actually do tend

00:48:51.340 to lean a little bit more liberal

00:48:52.800 and they're down to clown

00:48:53.920 with the new initiative

00:48:54.900 that we're going back to the war,

00:48:56.140 like the,

00:48:57.000 I'm a military guy,

00:48:58.860 it's I'm here for the war,

00:49:00.400 not for the war,

00:49:01.100 I'm just protecting the country,

00:49:02.340 like that whole sentiment

00:49:03.180 is back in

00:49:04.380 and I like that.

00:49:05.860 Plus also,

00:49:06.540 they're all hyped up

00:49:07.200 about getting down

00:49:07.780 at the southern border

00:49:08.460 and actually doing good work,

00:49:09.720 that's everyone wants to get in

00:49:11.200 on those types of missions

00:49:12.880 more so than anything else.

00:49:14.940 So just having a reason

00:49:16.480 to be there

00:49:17.240 and showing up to work

00:49:18.580 the right way,

00:49:20.020 no frosted tips,

00:49:21.080 no nails,

00:49:21.780 I like it.

00:49:23.060 But are the women still allowed

00:49:24.560 to have highlights,

00:49:25.480 just for clarity?

00:49:26.080 No,

00:49:26.620 no,

00:49:26.980 they are not,

00:49:27.460 they are not,

00:49:28.080 they are not.

00:49:28.460 Okay,

00:49:28.680 how do you prove that?

00:49:29.900 Well,

00:49:30.460 that's,

00:49:30.840 I don't know how you've been forced that.

00:49:32.880 I don't know the medical complex

00:49:34.200 that well,

00:49:35.140 but I guess if you do get

00:49:36.440 some highlights or whatnot,

00:49:37.500 you just do a really darn good job

00:49:38.940 at the roots

00:49:39.500 and then no one knows.

00:49:41.260 Do you have highlights?

00:49:41.520 That's probably hard in D.C.

00:49:42.800 because the hairstylists

00:49:43.700 are so bad at blended.

00:49:44.680 I know.

00:49:45.220 I do balayage

00:49:46.080 as opposed to highlight.

00:49:47.920 What's balayage?

00:49:48.080 You're serving the country

00:49:48.700 in a different way,

00:49:49.360 so you're allowed to go.

00:49:50.140 It's more blended,

00:49:50.900 although honestly,

00:49:51.800 I got my hair done in D.C.,

00:49:52.760 so my roots are probably not.

00:49:54.120 No,

00:49:54.380 they look good.

00:49:55.040 Have you heard of this term

00:49:56.280 of recession brunette,

00:49:58.640 where like if the economy

00:50:00.540 isn't going well,

00:50:01.880 then they'll go out a little bit?

00:50:03.400 For me,

00:50:03.760 that was prison brunette.

00:50:05.540 When Steve was in prison,

00:50:06.400 I had no free time.

00:50:07.340 I was like,

00:50:07.640 I don't have time

00:50:08.040 to get my hair done.

00:50:08.540 It takes like 12 hours,

00:50:10.400 so I probably was a little darker

00:50:12.620 than usual.

00:50:14.300 Your prison brunette era.

00:50:16.340 Excellent.

00:50:16.640 My vibe shift is

00:50:18.200 the turn away from anger

00:50:20.100 and toward more happiness

00:50:21.400 in this version of Trump 2.0.

00:50:23.780 I remember back in 2017 and 2018

00:50:27.740 how just jilted we felt

00:50:31.580 that they were accusing us

00:50:33.180 of being Russian agents.

00:50:35.180 They accused me

00:50:35.860 of being Putin's lawyer.

00:50:37.360 They accused Trump

00:50:38.360 of all this crazy stuff in Russia.

00:50:39.760 He accused you of having highlights.

00:50:41.420 Who bought you that track suit?

00:50:42.880 We were so,

00:50:43.620 I know,

00:50:44.100 I'm just leaning in now.

00:50:46.640 Fully leaning in.

00:50:47.900 But that colored

00:50:50.180 how we saw things.

00:50:51.600 And now,

00:50:52.200 even after the lawfare,

00:50:54.620 the indictments,

00:50:55.480 the assassination attempts,

00:50:56.880 there is more joy

00:50:58.140 in the MAGA movement.

00:51:00.020 And I see it

00:51:00.600 in my friends

00:51:01.320 who work in the administration,

00:51:03.280 who are in the cabinet.

00:51:04.660 And it's not like fear

00:51:06.360 that the next moment

00:51:07.720 you're going to have

00:51:08.580 grand juries,

00:51:10.300 subpoenas,

00:51:11.140 not able to feed your family

00:51:12.440 because you have

00:51:13.100 quarter million dollars

00:51:14.160 in legal bills

00:51:15.020 on a government employee salary.

00:51:17.200 And I think that unlocks

00:51:19.260 an unlimited potential

00:51:20.660 for this crew.

00:51:21.620 And I'm really proud of them.

00:51:22.620 And I think they're doing

00:51:23.140 a great job.

00:51:23.680 What a nice light note.

00:51:25.200 We are so back.

00:51:26.280 Yeah, we are back.

00:51:27.600 All right.

00:51:28.300 Our freedom rang.

00:51:29.180 Be back.

00:51:29.680 I loved this discussion.

00:51:30.980 Frankly, I think Vish

00:51:31.880 and I kind of ruined it

00:51:32.900 and it would have been better

00:51:33.940 just as the two of you.

00:51:34.540 Me and Natalie

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - April 03, 2025

The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz ｜ Know Thy Enemy

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