The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz ｜ Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and dan ball

00:00:11.340 we're joined today by florida congresswoman anna paulina luna and anna i if i'm not your biggest

00:00:19.040 fan i'm definitely like at the upper tier of the fan club i am at least on the board of the fan

00:00:24.760 club and when i when i tell people about your background a lot of people don't know that you

00:00:30.780 were in the military uh i was just wondering if you could take us back to the moment when you

00:00:36.260 decided to join the military why did you do it what was in your mind and now you know as a mother

00:00:43.140 a congresswoman looking back how did it impact your life yeah so um i really wanted to go to school and

00:00:49.200 i had absolutely no way of paying for it and ultimately you know my dad was struggling at

00:00:54.100 the time with substance abuse and wasn't really in the picture and my mom had two younger kids

00:00:59.700 from another marriage and so for me i needed a avenue of really getting out of a bad situation

00:01:05.420 sounds like chaos yeah looking back and it actually didn't think that my life was abnormal and i mean

00:01:10.600 you know the rest of my bio but it wasn't until i joined the military and i was like maybe it wasn't

00:01:14.800 the best circumstances um but i ended up actually being at a an event and i overheard two young guys

00:01:21.000 talking about the gi bill and how they're going to be starting school and they're like 20 years old

00:01:24.640 anyways they ended up being marines at camp pendleton and i asked what they did they told

00:01:28.880 me and so i actually map quested so this is going to date me a little bit but i map quested i printed

00:01:32.740 directions and i drove to a recruiter's office and the air force recruiter was there and that's how i

00:01:37.380 joined the air force did you uh choose the air force for a particular reason or that was just the

00:01:41.820 office you went into um it was the one where the recruiter was there i actually had initially

00:01:45.420 wanted i initially went to look at the marine corps and uh when you went through basic training

00:01:51.420 and your initial like military training like did you ever imagine you would be a united states

00:01:57.060 congresswoman no in fact um well first of all when i told my parents that i had enlisted remember this

00:02:01.700 is the tail end of 2000 or early 2009 so we had just kicked off um the global war on terror and

00:02:07.780 ultimately my mom thought i was gonna literally die and so she freaked out i told her my ship out date

00:02:13.220 and then my dad was actually pretty shocked too so i didn't really tell my parents what i was doing

00:02:16.940 uh they ended up being fully supportive of it and then obviously in our immediate family you know my

00:02:21.960 dad hadn't served my mom hadn't served and so it was really different for us uh but no i never had

00:02:26.420 anticipated on actually going into politics and so that story is a little interesting in itself i was

00:02:31.440 actually we'll get there i'm not done with the military yeah so so set the scene for the year like

00:02:36.380 when your years where where you're doing your the military service yeah so i was 19 years old when i

00:02:41.320 enlisted which looking back at it you know i was a kid i was right out of high school and i went

00:02:46.180 this is post 9 11 yeah post 9 11 i it was in 2009 february 2009 i enlisted and i went to at that time

00:02:52.720 had like the people's opinion soured on the war that were in the military no i think that in general

00:02:58.300 sentiment was still pretty high yeah and especially for me i mean i didn't really again i didn't have

00:03:03.040 any family that was super like into politics the way that i'm into politics now and so for me i was

00:03:09.300 looking at it more of a way of serving and then also to helping my family so actually the entire

00:03:13.880 time that i was in i was actually able to send money back home and so i went from being you know

00:03:18.620 basically an la kid a city urban population to essentially getting stationed at whiteman air

00:03:25.100 force base in missouri and really kind of seeing what the rest of the country had to offer and i'd

00:03:29.560 say you know a lot of people say well you know is it because you joined the military that you ended up

00:03:33.140 being so conservative i'd actually say i've experienced every single liberal policy possible and live to tell

00:03:37.880 the tale that they don't work and so because of that i was actually able to use my platform to help

00:03:42.660 encourage other people to just think for themselves and fight and really fight for the american dream

00:03:47.160 would you encourage young people today to consider military service and i still do actually i've

00:03:52.080 encouraged all of my staff to join and then also too when i hear stories i think one of the most

00:03:56.100 frustrating things for me is that you'll have people that say that the military i've heard people

00:04:00.680 especially members of congress say that the military unfairly recruits minority demographics

00:04:04.420 when i joined the military it was an opportunity for me to actually excel at life it gave me the

00:04:11.000 structure that i needed it paid for my college it pre-step it stepped in and really provided

00:04:15.080 structure that i desperately needed and so for people like me it's an opportunity where you can

00:04:19.860 actually make something of yourself and have a hell of a career to be honest with you you served in a

00:04:25.200 dual role as like a military veteran but then also as a military spouse uh your your husband terrific man

00:04:32.280 um how did how did that type of service differ from like putting on the uniform yourself um so

00:04:38.540 again i got married very early i i joined the military i did not anticipate on finding a husband i got

00:04:45.080 married at 20 years old and he was 21 so literally had only been in the service a couple months and

00:04:50.040 told again my mom we were getting married after like knowing him for a month and my mom thought i was

00:04:54.000 crazy and here we are 15 years later um and it wasn't always easy right because when you're that

00:04:59.360 young and then you see the ops tempo the deployment cycle my husband andy had a job that was very

00:05:03.720 different from a lot of your regular military and he had a job that took him away every six months to

00:05:09.600 deploy to a combative and kinetic location so andy was at air force combat control you know this you

00:05:14.560 knew where herbert field was which is where we were stationed by the way matt i have told you this

00:05:19.020 before but for those who don't know you're literally the first member of congress that i voted for so

00:05:23.120 pretty cool uh full circle um but you know for us especially it gives you a lens and perspective

00:05:28.700 of what military families go through and by the time andy and i had left active duty service many

00:05:35.280 of our friends had been married and divorced multiple times because of ptsd because of the

00:05:40.120 stressors that the military put on the family so when i came and i brought that perspective to

00:05:43.660 washington it's a different lens that you look at especially when you hear a lot of people advocating

00:05:47.840 for war yeah i remember when the military family issues were things like you know we want uh nice

00:05:56.000 housing we want good commissary benefits no mold but now really child care has been the issue that

00:06:02.960 has roared uh for military families who feel like that ought to be part of their entitlement and it's

00:06:08.400 been really challenging i think industry-wide there like if you know if you could wave a magic wand and do

00:06:14.640 anything to help military families what would it be the first thing i would do is get rid of the 1.00

00:06:19.680 contractors that hold the contracts currently for base housing because what we're finding is

00:06:23.520 actually speaking to the mold issue that many of them receive massive government contracts and then

00:06:28.160 they will literally paint over black mold i mean they don't do anything to actually clean the

00:06:32.320 cleanse these facilities or housing locations before these families move in and then it subjects these

00:06:37.360 military families to long-term mold exposure that can actually be deadly in some cases so that's the

00:06:41.600 first thing i would do but the second thing in regards to child care i mean anything that you can

00:06:44.960 do to actually make it easier a lot of family members that are maybe you know four sometimes

00:06:50.240 five kids on e12 or e3 salary which you know you can look that up it's not a lot of money but sometimes

00:06:55.840 they are on snap and ebt benefits and i think that's crazy crazy that our military members are using snap

00:07:02.000 and ebt in order to pay at the commissary and so i think that that goes to speak to you have defense

00:07:06.480 contractors making millions of dollars you have these people that are getting paid essentially nothing

00:07:10.560 and then being forced to use these you know programs that aren't necessarily great so

00:07:17.920 in congress in the gen x and boomer generations the veterans were almost exclusively like i would

00:07:26.400 say very pro-war you know they they had a foreign policy view particularly on the republican side that

00:07:31.920 would more mirror liz cheney than donald trump it would be more john bolton less jd dance and your 0.99

00:07:40.080 generation our generation of veterans you're a veteran i'm not uh seem to have a lot more skepticism

00:07:46.720 about foreign entanglement and foreign involvement what do you attribute that to i think that the

00:07:52.640 generation that i'm in and that our generation fought the war was different right so you had the

00:07:59.360 war in afghanistan the war on like all that the war on terror um you have multiple ops tempos and

00:08:05.280 deployment cycles it's different than vietnam world war one world war two even korea where people

00:08:10.960 would go and then they would maybe spend some time there and then not have to go back as a result of

00:08:15.360 that you're also seeing many of the younger members of congress actually look to alternative therapies

00:08:20.160 for treating post-traumatic stress disorder and i think that that's also something that needs to be

00:08:24.320 taken seriously because ptsd you know when you're in the military you hear about it and a lot of us

00:08:28.880 younger you know you're invincible did not fully understand the long-term implications and impacts of that

00:08:33.680 until you get out and then you see what your friends or your loved ones are struggling with after the

00:08:36.960 fact so i'd say it's because the war was different then also too it's like you and that from a member

00:08:42.000 of congress perspective perspective pisses me off because you'll have these same people that advocate

00:08:46.720 for war they don't have people that are draft age that are going to be serving that are in their family

00:08:51.840 you know if they were in the military and they are advocating for war we'll look at all who who they're

00:08:56.160 taking money from the defense contractors and to me it's disingenuine because you're willing to

00:09:01.120 send young men very smart brilliant young men and women to the front lines to basically seal the deal

00:09:09.760 for something that you have no business interfering with in the first place and so you know speaking

00:09:14.720 to president trump's foreign policy foreign policy perspective that rubio who we love has been doing

00:09:19.520 a great job implementing that policy and then also you hear jd vance who was a devil dog marine you know

00:09:25.440 he brings a unique perspective to this as well because he's not your average run-of-the-mill vet up in

00:09:30.960 washington that's advocating for war and i think where do you worry about war most on the planet

00:09:36.000 earth right now uh ukraine and russia and actually was just in foreign affairs earlier today and you

00:09:40.880 should probably look at the clip for that because i actually was able to ask the witness that we had

00:09:46.160 about what he thought with lindsey graham and the other senator heading out to ukraine and i think that

00:09:51.680 when you have people again advocating for war undermining the white house and secretary of state's

00:09:56.480 position on what's currently happening undermining peace talks and then they're literally actively getting

00:10:00.560 paid by some of these defense contractors um that's corrupt you think that's what's happening

00:10:04.880 with lindsey graham i think that's and you know lindsey graham is a vet but i think it's disingenuine

00:10:09.920 what he's doing i think it's dangerous too you know ukraine nato they chose to not join nato is actively

00:10:16.560 especially some of the european countries specifically germany that's facing an economic crisis right now

00:10:21.040 is advocating for ukraine to get kinetic with russia and as a result of that you're seeing them

00:10:26.080 undermine president trump's foreign policy perspective but by the way we're paying a majority

00:10:29.840 of nato's fair share so if they want to do that if they want to engage in war then we don't need to

00:10:34.000 be funding it and i continuously push for the withdrawal of nato and defunding because of that

00:10:38.480 perspective i think we should expand nato i just think it's worth looking at the wrong country i think

00:10:42.800 we should invite russia into nato like if if nato is going to have a modern purpose it would be to

00:10:48.960 position as an alliance of of the united states and russia and aligned entities against china

00:10:57.360 against extremism and it would probably result in a lot more peace if we were more closely

00:11:04.240 cooperating with russia in areas where we had common interest well i don't think that russia is fully

00:11:08.800 aligned with china i think that they've just been pushed into that friendship before now it's a

00:11:12.800 leveraged buyout exactly but what i would also like to say is that it's really sad that we can't even

00:11:16.800 have that discussion because if you do then you're labeled a russia sympathizer when in actuality

00:11:21.600 right now no one's talking about i'm very surprised that aside from cash patel's post on x talking

00:11:26.800 about the basically a bioweapon that china basically sent to the united states smuggled and they they 0.99

00:11:32.880 caught them um why that's not getting more traction you have do you think that was an act of war i i would

00:11:37.840 declare it as that because of the fact that it could make people sick it could destroy our crops

00:11:42.160 and by the way remember china has a social credit system nothing goes in or out with them

00:11:46.320 without them knowing about that so you can't say it's plausible deniability on that well i think

00:11:50.080 that actually is what they were trying to achieve i think that that what is like insidious about

00:11:56.080 agro tourism a phrase i hadn't even thought about until we had this experience is that you're creating

00:12:02.960 so much mass famine and it can make you sick yeah yeah and you're not the the perpetrator doesn't have

00:12:09.760 to be really proximate to it at the time unlike a bomb you know unlike uh you know something else that

00:12:15.200 we would normally align with terrorism and so like are we going to have to have what competing warring

00:12:20.960 funguses are we going to have to like send our funguses to china to take out their crops as a 0.99

00:12:25.680 deterrent i think it actually brings up a scary discussion so remember that there was all of these

00:12:30.160 dna companies that had data breaches and links i think that we're entering an age especially with

00:12:35.680 scientific development where you can actually have specified targeted bio agents that do attack people's

00:12:40.720 genomes whether or not they engineered this to do that but i think it is alarming and i think the

00:12:45.360 fact that you have people that were as trump says panicans on the whole tariff issue i'm not actually

00:12:50.720 understanding that china really does have a chokehold on us and then essentially what they did with this

00:12:56.400 bioweapon which is what it is is basically try to make everyone in the country sick and kill all of

00:13:01.600 our crops i mean do you think it was a response to the trade war i i do absolutely i think the same thing

00:13:06.720 that happened with wuhan oh you think that that you can tie both of those biological attacks to

00:13:13.680 trump's choices on trade because right before the the wuhan flu trump was working toward a deal with

00:13:21.120 the chinese you think that you think that they preferred chaos to that deal and i don't think 0.95

00:13:25.280 that they're stupid i think they're really smart i actually was at the white house when they first 0.95

00:13:29.520 announced that um covet 19 was a pandemic and i remember the conversation that took place i was 1.00

00:13:34.320 actually in the eisenhower building and what i will tell you is that china's not stupid they know

00:13:38.960 that they can't probably hit us head on in a kinetic war and so that it's going to have to be behind the

00:13:43.680 scenes i don't think and you know it's like kind of funny because especially being in politics half of

00:13:48.160 the time i'll see you can always tell if there's bought farms bought trends i'm trying to sway public

00:13:53.200 sentiment on certain things and i see it from time to time on certain issues but i do think right now

00:13:58.560 that china would like nothing more than for there to be a kinetic incident with russia i think again tying back to 0.64

00:14:04.160 foreign policy what happened with lindsey graham going over there um i actually was talking with

00:14:08.640 ai and it actually went through and just completely demolished and destroyed their whole policy and on

00:14:14.000 sanctioning russia because they're like this is literally political theater because you actually

00:14:17.920 don't have something serious that would be you're talking to ai yeah i was i was going back and forth

00:14:22.000 with um grok on the whole topic do you do that a lot yeah like like every day you talk to the world

00:14:28.000 but when i have um political discussions going through sometimes even policy i talk to ai about it

00:14:33.520 do you think other congressmen talk to robots i i would say that there's probably only two others

00:14:38.240 that actually do it but it's kind of funny because especially on the legislation look i ran through 0.92

00:14:42.320 the world's manual i read it but you know people will come up with these bullshit answers and then 0.75

00:14:45.840 i'll run it through you know i'll have my opinion run it through and then i'll check it and then i go 0.95

00:14:49.040 back and yeah they say you know if it's not the robots that takes over it's going to be the people

00:14:53.520 who know how to use the robots so i guess so i want to get back to your to your entry to congress because

00:15:00.160 it when i think about like where did anna paulina luna come from you did not uh run for local office 0.96

00:15:07.600 you uh you know did not uh come from like uh pedigree family yeah some the scion of some family

00:15:14.080 that had the ability to provide great resources as mine mine did um you really is it unfair to say

00:15:22.080 you were kind of the first influencer turned congresswoman yeah i think that that's actually

00:15:26.400 what freaks people out and that's when time magazine kind of did that profile um i actually

00:15:30.800 had a very big social media following because of my work in my past life obviously so you don't reject

00:15:36.160 that that label okay is there any other because i was i was picking my brain today and i was like

00:15:41.440 is there a single other person that meets the luna category of influencer turned member of congress no

00:15:46.880 and i think that it's actually interesting because when i first ran part of the reason why i was able to

00:15:50.880 compete with big money from washington so after you endorsed me um there was for those people

00:15:56.400 watching there was a candidate in the race that was actually being fully backed by

00:16:00.160 the party actually against me by kevin mccarthy yeah by kevin mccarthy and a lot of pack money was

00:16:05.440 coming in against me to the tune of millions the only way i was able to combat that and this was before

00:16:10.400 the whole influencer fundraising market was saturated i actually digitally fundraised and i was able to

00:16:16.240 put my link on my win red link online and people were giving me ten dollars five dollars twenty dollars

00:16:21.280 and actually was responsible for me being able to compete and then secure my nomination into washington

00:16:26.720 yeah so so you are one of one yeah in this category correct but so many run like so many

00:16:35.280 influencers run and i don't know if they run to win and you were clearly running to win or if they're

00:16:40.880 running just to build their brand but i bet a lot would love like your uh yellow brick road strategy

00:16:48.960 so you talk about these uh small dollar resources how did you list build to be able to get there and

00:16:56.640 then talk a little bit about the gorilla advertising you do because you you would send messages out at a

00:17:04.320 very low cost but they were raw authentic entertaining cool uh go ahead and give us a little look in the

00:17:12.640 luna playbook yeah so when i first ran for office i was obviously digitally fundraising heavily and then

00:17:18.080 covet happened and so i was able to again i mean i think it was perfect timing in the sense that people

00:17:23.120 were just paying attention to what was happening online but how much money are we talking i'm talking to

00:17:27.920 my first race i raised three million and that was small dollar donations yeah and so a lot of people

00:17:33.280 kind of wonder you know how can we replicate it now i think now it's a little bit saturated but

00:17:37.040 the point is is going back to what really won my election um i actually so people ask okay so what

00:17:42.320 do you do how do you get data and really you're talking about lists lists or the email contacts all

00:17:47.440 of that to where you actually are able to engage a small dollar donor and it actually started with just

00:17:52.960 win red collecting the information um i don't know if you know this but i actually fired my first

00:17:57.120 general consultant because they're stealing money from me and i found that out that happens to so many

00:18:00.640 candidates and it happens and and sometimes they'll just run candidates to steal the money not

00:18:04.640 actually they're just a parasite that needs a host and they don't care if the host dies they'll move

00:18:08.640 on exactly and that happens unfortunately to a lot of good candidates in in politics but i always tell

00:18:13.200 people you can be the best candidate in the world but if you can't fundraise to get your name out there to

00:18:17.600 basically like advertise the brand then it doesn't matter how good i don't want to give people false

00:18:21.680 hope in this because there are a lot of people who will watch this and say oh perfect small dollar donors

00:18:26.880 i'll send out some emails send out some text messages and just like anna paulina luna i will

00:18:31.920 have three million dollars at my disposal when the reality is a lot of people would be better served if

00:18:38.160 they can only raise maybe a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand run for the city council the

00:18:42.640 county board of supervisors mayor yeah mayor uh maybe a state legislative position so i mean was it

00:18:50.320 your experience with digital marketing was it some of the messaging you leaned into i think it was i think

00:18:55.920 it was the messaging in part and then also too i did a lot of the hard work that other people didn't

00:19:00.320 want to do so i actually started doing something called cold calling where you will get donor lists

00:19:04.960 of random people and you will physically total strangers total strangers hello it's nice to meet

00:19:10.320 you i would like 5 500 of your dollars yes and you actually have to pitch yourself in like a minute to

00:19:15.120 this person and basically try to what's the success rate on that it's not high and i've had a lot of

00:19:20.480 people say no and i had a lot of people i'm guessing you haven't been rejected a lot in life so what was that

00:19:24.640 well you know um i always tell people i've never really had to ask people for money and i hate it 0.57

00:19:29.520 to this day i hate making phone calls but i do it because again i'm not really you still do that you

00:19:33.920 still call people i do about three hours what do people mostly say when i mean now you're you're

00:19:39.040 very sometimes they'll call me and say like you know thank you so much for actually doing i'm so

00:19:43.280 sick and tired of the bullshit i'm seeing in washington like we you're one of the good ones you 0.90

00:19:47.040 know stay the course please don't quit anytime soon we need you and then i'll start laughing because you 0.99

00:19:51.920 know i do anything it's not really you that it's like a robot sometimes my smaller dollar people

00:19:57.440 like if they've donated you know 100 200 bucks i'll actually call them and say thank you

00:20:01.760 sometimes they'll think that it's not actually me and they'll say wait is this actually you and

00:20:05.600 then i say yes and they'll be like honey come here she's on the phone you know it's kind of sweet

00:20:09.600 but you know i will say that you have to stay humble you have to be willing to do the hard work

00:20:13.520 and then between last election this election even though i'm already in i've knocked over 60 000 doors with

00:20:19.120 my uh campaign manager olivia and then my district director sam uh sam wilson and then a couple other

00:20:24.560 volunteers and made over 110 000 phone calls and so i actually have the do you think you would have

00:20:28.720 won without the doors and the phone i have the biggest grassroots operation in congress in the

00:20:34.640 country period i will take that to the bank because that's literally just me and my small team

00:20:39.920 what do you attribute that to hard work not wanting to lose i hate losing um and then also to just

00:20:45.440 understanding that if i'm actually going to put my family out there put my name out there that i

00:20:49.600 want to actually bring home wins and i do think that you know yes we have a lot wrong here but i do think

00:20:54.560 that we can do a lot of good and so there's a younger generation of people the next generation coming up

00:20:58.480 is extremely conservative and so they need good leaders to look to and so i'm hoping that you know

00:21:02.880 i think it was denzel watching washington that said for each one teach one and so that's what i'm hoping to do

00:21:07.120 you were my one so yeah i would say um you actually were the only member of congress that

00:21:13.680 would talk to me when i first ran and then i had that crazy nut job that you just did the story on

00:21:18.080 but um yeah no you i actually attribute my success largely to you helping to fight um off some of the

00:21:23.600 attacks that i was getting so thank you do you well here's what i knew uh about you that you would be

00:21:29.040 genuine and sincere and i i am so just frustrated with how people present one way to their voters

00:21:37.840 but then they come here and they're just shills for their donors and like when you are calling

00:21:42.800 some a cold calling someone you're not establishing some sort of obligation to them right because

00:21:48.480 the very nature of it is not like oh we're gonna go on some junket together you know we're gonna and

00:21:54.480 by the way they do are you know we see how many in congress have that type of relationship with their

00:22:00.000 lobbyists and special interest donors and i knew you wouldn't do that and maybe you'd get some things

00:22:05.360 right or wrong but at least wouldn't be the stuff you believed and and now you are this one of one in

00:22:11.680 congress and and i wonder from your perspective do you think you are just an anomaly a one-off or is this

00:22:18.000 the front end of the wave and are we going to see more people you know who have a central to their

00:22:23.680 identity a digital following activate that following to the type of grassroots deliverables that that

00:22:30.160 gave you election victories i think that it can be replicated and i hope to replicate it i have seen

00:22:37.520 already a shift i think in the last congress that came in of people that are more conservative leaning

00:22:43.760 that already kind of have profiles if you will but understand that congress as much as it's national

00:22:50.400 it's still very much local and so you can't just fully rely and phone it in as as they're local

00:22:56.560 influencers right yeah even in communities like well that's what i'm saying is like if you have a good

00:23:01.280 network in your community i would say absolutely try to leverage that and then try to run because what

00:23:07.520 we're finding is like people young people especially like our age people don't want to typically get

00:23:12.720 involved in politics because it can be nasty but like if that's one thing that we need it's younger

00:23:17.840 people because there's so much fatigue and this job is not easy and so you have to have people that

00:23:22.640 have the bandwidth and the stamina to take on some of these issues because if we don't we're going to

00:23:28.080 continue to see the same things happening over and over again and honestly i think sometimes people

00:23:32.960 that are you know later in life don't really have a lot to live for so if they're voting for things like

00:23:38.880 massive debt it doesn't really impact them the way that it does for us because they're

00:23:42.800 you know closer to the end of life yeah should there be like an age limit on congress after auto

00:23:49.120 pen gate maybe yeah maybe um so someone was engaged in a murder plot to kill you and when people hear

00:23:56.480 that they will yeah they will think that is crazy and uh when i i remember reading the headlines that you

00:24:04.480 were accusing the opposition in your campaign of literally conspiring to kill you and i thought

00:24:12.160 what in the world has anna heard a rumor and said it to a reporter i called you and i said anna you 1.00

00:24:17.600 know people are going to think that you've lost your mind making this this type of an allegation

00:24:22.720 and you just told me to remain calm that all the evidence would come forward and then it did 1.00

00:24:27.760 the poll says luna's going to win she's going to be gone she's going to disappear she's a stupid 1.00

00:24:35.120 excuse my language social media influencer yeah there's no reason she should be in office let's 1.00

00:24:42.480 just say that like luna's gonna win like she won't and actually if we have polling that proves she won't

00:24:50.400 she's gonna be gone period that's in the discussion luna is not an issue how do we make her go 0.99

00:24:58.560 uh i call up my russian ukrainian hit squad and within 24 hours they're sending me pictures of

00:25:06.720 her disappearing close battle combat tech nines mac 10 silencers kind of thing no snipers up close and 0.67

00:25:15.920 personal so they know they know the person they know that the target is gone don't be on the wrong

00:25:20.640 side of supporting luna yeah because if you're near her when time comes i just don't want that to

00:25:28.560 happen to you when you've got kids i'm not just blowing smoke here i'm being dead ass serious and 0.89

00:25:33.200 it scares me too so when did you know people were trying to kill you i got a call uh very late in the

00:25:38.560 uh very late in the night and at first i thought it wasn't true and then i heard the recording and

00:25:45.360 what i can say about that is that you know politics obviously is super crazy but with that being said

00:25:52.880 there's also really crazy people in the world that might actually do crazy stuff like that and it didn't

00:25:58.160 just stop there this person ended up fleeing the country and the u.s marshals got involved the doj the

00:26:02.640 fbi and ultimately if this had not been foiled do you think there would have really been an attempt

00:26:07.360 on your life based on the fact that the person was stalking me yeah i think so and what's crazy

00:26:13.280 to me is that the leftist media tried to paint me like i was nuts and that i was losing it i actually

00:26:19.280 tried to get a restraining order against this person if i was anyone else if i was not running

00:26:23.280 for office if i was not conservative i probably would have gotten it what's interesting is actually

00:26:28.160 later on kind of went after the judge a little bit because she did not end up giving me the restraining

00:26:32.320 order the guy fled the country then his opponent was recruited to run against me or his attorney

00:26:37.360 was recruited to run against me which is also really crazy and was backed by the former speaker

00:26:43.120 which was also nuts um but anyways mccarthy mccarthy not paul ryan not paul ryan um but the point is is

00:26:50.400 that you know that person they were talking about having me shot at close range proximity they were

00:26:55.360 telling people where they knew where i lived um i think that this did you ever think about now running

00:26:59.760 when you heard that recording well i was already running at the time yeah like just stopping no because

00:27:06.320 i felt like if i gave up i was going to give them what they wanted which was for me to not be

00:27:11.120 running for office but also to how did your family react to that i mean my mom was like you need to

00:27:17.840 not be in politics and my mom would have been like you are not doing this anymore yeah at the time my 0.54

00:27:22.800 dad was still alive and my dad was obviously over like he was pissed and he was obviously really

00:27:27.520 concerned and as part of the stipulation for me running and now being in offices i have to have security

00:27:32.080 yeah well and and and uh i wanted to talk about that as well because i remember feeling uh

00:27:39.760 like you always had to be aware and alert in public yeah and uh it is an edge that you have to maintain

00:27:47.920 at all times that i don't think our predecessors really had to deal with before the age of iphones

00:27:54.400 where someone could immediately notify a large group of people to come where you're at digital

00:27:59.440 stalking is a thing they actually i was talking to capitol police because obviously after this

00:28:03.520 happened and then i was elected to office still working with the doj you know they there's security

00:28:08.240 measures that are taken and they were saying that actually specifically to female legislators 0.99

00:28:12.400 especially that there's a high element of this type of stalking that exists but you know to be clear

00:28:18.160 i always tell people and i've always been a huge advocate for the second amendment but i carry

00:28:22.000 every single day doesn't matter where i'm at i'm not the only one that carries most of my staff does my

00:28:26.480 husband does and what i can also tell you is that you know this individual thank god someone came

00:28:31.840 forward and that they had information but the local authorities did not take it seriously

00:28:37.520 this person ended up fleeing the country and it was now under president trump's administration three

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00:29:43.280 one of one uh you your national profile takes off you do a ton of media there are some uh people in

00:29:50.560 congress who resent that i dealt with that all the time oh you know you're always on tv oh you're

00:29:54.480 just doing it for clicks clicks or hits or interviews or whatever and you know i i would

00:30:00.640 always uh really bristle with that criticism because i would have loved to have been able to win the

00:30:06.640 battles that we were in in the absence of a groundswell of populist support i would love it

00:30:11.680 if people in congress weren't so utterly corrupt that you could sit there with logic and reason and

00:30:17.280 and persuasion and get them to the right side but at the end of the day you only move this town with

00:30:22.720 force and that force has to yeah has to be generated by by the people and so you know when when you get

00:30:28.800 some of those uh snide looks and sneers like like i got how do you think about your role in the 0.96

00:30:35.360 republican party as one of our most prominent communicators i don't give a shit well there you go yeah 0.95

00:30:41.440 i am actually you are here with the whole inherent contempt vote on garland so a lot of people did not 0.95

00:30:46.640 know that congress had this i call it this like ancient magic authority to basically go after

00:30:51.440 people if they for example ignored subpoenas at the time it was under you know the biden doj garland

00:30:57.920 defied congress protected the her tapes as we know now the her tapes have been released and they did

00:31:03.120 show that biden was cognitively in decline obviously suffering with memory issues but the whole point was

00:31:08.720 is that i remember a member of congress a republican member of congress that's still there actually told me

00:31:14.000 that i was just doing it for attention and that it wasn't within my constitutional rights or

00:31:18.640 authorities and that's simply not true it was um i also remember the former house council who since

00:31:24.720 resigned as of a few weeks ago actually told me that it was unconstitutional what i was trying to do

00:31:29.760 come to find out that she was basically a rhino shill and was trying to actually protect garland

00:31:34.640 and so what i will tell you is you cannot be here to make friends with these people because of the

00:31:39.120 fact that a majority of people only care about one thing and that's getting reelected i can tell you

00:31:44.080 that that i live in a very beautiful state i have a very happy marriage and i have an awesome little

00:31:49.440 boy and so if i at the end of the day don't get elected because i did what i generally think is

00:31:55.040 right i think that i'll sleep okay at night and so that's really i guess what allows me to continue

00:31:59.600 doing what i'm doing we're not going anywhere yet and uh you had you break through some of the

00:32:05.760 culture walls that typically constrain nerdy politicians maxim did this big piece on you i

00:32:12.480 think maxim wants you to run for president one day actually asked me yeah they would love to have a

00:32:18.160 former maxim model as the president of the united states but there there was a a theory of like

00:32:25.600 republicanism when i was coming up through the movement where there was this real embrace of

00:32:30.640 modesty right and we were kind of the party that didn't want folks to say dirty words or things

00:32:37.520 that made us feel uncomfortable and it was the other side that was uh doing revealing photo shoots

00:32:44.160 and and i think now we have like embraced our inner cool a little bit better and that has a ton to do

00:32:51.200 with trump but but uh how do you think about the intersection of politics and culture and aesthetic

00:32:59.200 and and how it plays out with your public service and your image um well so when i ran and then also

00:33:05.440 too during my first term i actually didn't really tell people that i did maxim or sports illustrated

00:33:10.160 because i just you know like i didn't think that that was something that like i wanted to like really

00:33:15.040 lead with mainly because i looked at it kind of just as a job and it was really in my past uh but it

00:33:20.400 was actually i don't know a single woman who if they had the opportunity to go do maximum or sports 1.00

00:33:25.040 illustrated wouldn't maybe i'm hanging out with the wrong crowd but i i think that most women 1.00

00:33:30.160 particularly millennials view it as a celebration of beauty and self-determination well also too it

00:33:36.160 happened um i was actually featured when i was in the military so the pentagon air force actually

00:33:41.360 approved it approved it because they said that it would help with recruitment numbers so that was

00:33:46.560 that was back in 2009 that you would have had you would have had to have some male equipment 1.00

00:33:50.720 in a bikini to get approved during the biden well so that's the context of like actually when it took 0.90

00:33:55.840 place and so when i actually ran i i didn't really like lead with that because i had so much in my

00:34:01.120 bio right like i was on track to go to medical school i had just gone out of the military um i

00:34:05.520 actually instead of going to medical school i actually joined turning point you say so i was a

00:34:09.440 national grassroots activist so that's kind of like really what i really had more like identified with

00:34:14.400 and lead into but it was actually a democrat oppo firm that tried to leak my maxim photos as if

00:34:20.480 to hit me and i said yeah i can biologically because they're at the time like not able to

00:34:24.320 define a woman so i remember the tweet i said you know at least i can define a woman oh i was roaring

00:34:29.280 in laughter with you on the house floors i thought wait a second what what the left believed would hurt

00:34:35.200 anna would be like a release of bathing suit pics yeah and by the way my my district is right on the

00:34:40.800 water clearwater just got number two beach in florida like my constituents a lot of them go on

00:34:45.760 boats and we wear swimsuits yeah yeah you don't represent idaho it would have been a different

00:34:50.080 thing uh in a different part of the country i told people i was like look these are older photos but

00:34:53.520 like yeah i can i wear swimsuits actually on a regular basis in fact i wear bikinis and it's not

00:34:57.120 a big deal and what i will tell you is that it actually really really badly blew up in their face

00:35:02.080 because that's actually how i landed the cover of maxim magazine so there you go yeah you are in a lot

00:35:07.040 of fights going on right now in congress and when i would wake up my favorite thing about the job was

00:35:14.000 there were so many virtuous fights to be in in any given day probably more than any one member of

00:35:20.160 congress could lend their effort to and so i was wondering if you would would let my viewers in on

00:35:24.880 like when you're evaluating the things that are before you in a day you've got this jfk assassination

00:35:32.080 project you're on you're working on uh uap disclosure you're one of the most prominent members

00:35:38.480 the oversight committee how do you design where to deploy your effort and and how do you triage

00:35:46.000 those fights that a day presents i am a chronic multitasker and i actually learned that in the

00:35:50.800 military from my job in the military being able to manage an airfield flight plans inspections you

00:35:56.720 know flight logs all of that so that's actually how i conduct myself on a regular basis here in

00:36:00.640 washington a lot of people say well you know how do you sleep i mean i sleep but i think if you're

00:36:06.000 doing what you genuinely are passionate about it doesn't become work and so i always make sure that

00:36:10.320 i take time for myself and my family but i'm very much so involved mentally in what i'm doing and so

00:36:15.840 you know everything still things go to slow right in washington and so you see that we've been

00:36:21.280 conducting our investigations into jfk but i'm simultaneously conducting that with like rfk uap

00:36:27.200 stuff the task force obviously auto pen with oversight it seems like transparency is like the core

00:36:32.560 central thesis of the things that like what about your psyche is so deeply offended when someone's

00:36:39.120 trying to keep a secret from you um i think what it is is that it's so wrong like you actually had one

00:36:44.320 of the youngest most charismatic arguable presidents in u.s history that was just assassinated before the

00:36:50.640 entire country and then the gall of the federal government to just gaslight people and say yeah it

00:36:55.520 was a single shooter that was it you know when i first announced that i was going to be on that task

00:36:58.960 force there's just like weird op against me saying that i was somehow going to like hold all

00:37:02.960 declassification authority and hide it from the american people and then as soon as trump blew the

00:37:06.800 doors off of it with just the immediate release they just come those people just crawled back under

00:37:10.400 their you know their rocks like the cockroaches that they were but the point was is that i think right 0.60

00:37:15.440 now what we're seeing is it this is only possible the level of transparency with this administration

00:37:20.320 because you have people like gabbard like the cia director like uh cash patel that are actually ahead of

00:37:27.280 these departments that also hold the same position and ideal ideology that trump does and that we do

00:37:33.920 and that the american people deserve transparency for example okay just yesterday we had a drop from

00:37:39.840 the cia that was directed by ratcliffe that actually released for the first time in u.s history the 44 pages

00:37:47.600 of previously hidden joe needy or 44 documents of the joe needy's files joe needy's was one of the

00:37:53.680 operatives that a lot of people say was responsible for potentially orchestrating the assassination on

00:37:58.560 gfk right this has been kind of the biggest question in the gfk community for a very long time

00:38:04.320 and so we actually were able to obtain those files those are obviously going to be public record

00:38:08.960 i showed the investigators that we are working with but the point is is that would have only happened

00:38:13.520 if president trump and ratcliffe had aligned and actually released that now it's not everything yet

00:38:18.160 we're still working and the cia has actually called me to tell me that they're still working on releases

00:38:22.000 and those will be coming out in the next couple weeks but it's interesting right and i'm a history

00:38:25.840 buff and so i'm all about setting the historical precedent so the warren commission can take a hike

00:38:30.160 we will have the final say on what happened with jfk and put together a report for the american people

00:38:34.160 and i don't want you to prejudge that i will just offer my own perspective that i

00:38:37.600 i believe that elements of our own government were not only aware that this was going on but were

00:38:44.160 providing some sort of logistical support like the saudis were providing logistical support for the 9 11 0.95

00:38:50.480 hijackers i actually think our government government i think that's an interesting corollary

00:38:54.640 where it might not have been a you know u.s government person who um set the exact route but

00:39:01.360 provided sufficient an ecosystem where that assassination could take place which is a

00:39:06.720 terrible thing to have to look we had it we had a doctor that was actually at the um room where jfk

00:39:13.920 was brought right after the shooting that testified that jfk was shot from the front and the back

00:39:18.960 and so i mean this was an actual doctor who was a surgeon at the time and when i actually went and

00:39:24.640 made that statement people said that i was a conspiracy theorist that i was trying to summon

00:39:28.400 dead people from the warren commission i actually had people that were there um actually in the room

00:39:33.360 with kennedy as it took place and so the media will try to dispel that but what i will tell you is

00:39:37.600 that you know when you have the cia act the former cia actively working to undermine the american

00:39:43.360 people's judgment on gfk hiding information lying to congress destroying evidence i think that that

00:39:48.480 tells you everything you need to know about the cia at the time and so you as well 60 plus of other

00:39:54.160 americans also have that same sentiment so we're just simply providing them the answers for them

00:39:57.680 to conclude their own do you trust john rackliff i like him yeah i actually trust him and in fact

00:40:01.760 everything that we've asked for so far he's delivered on so i actually really like him nice

00:40:05.920 terrific uh my vish is so bummed he's not able to participate in this podcast he's back at san

00:40:11.520 diego but the one thing he said i had to ask you about you have been chiming in on this rapper trial

00:40:16.080 going on oh tour lanes yeah so who is that yeah and what is going on yeah tour lanes is a well-known

00:40:22.880 rapper who was accused of shooting megan the stallion who's also a rapper i've heard of her yeah megan

00:40:28.800 sign it was the one that was dancing for kamala harris at her rally which is interesting because we

00:40:33.600 all know kamala harris was now paying people for these endorsements but i know there i there we were

00:40:37.760 doing it for trump for free we were just doing it because we loved the man and these people have

00:40:43.200 way more money than us we're getting back we are the dopes exactly but um you know what's interesting

00:40:48.720 is so megan stallion are said that tori lane shot her in the foot you know you get shot in the foot 1.00

00:40:54.480 it looks a little bit different come to find out that the dna evidence didn't match the firearm for

00:40:59.120 tori that obviously there was no shrapnel that was able to be located that the information and

00:41:04.240 statements made by megan the stallion conflicted with body cam footage from officers and statements

00:41:08.480 and affidavits as well and so i do believe that tori lanes was unfairly put on trial and that he's

00:41:13.840 being incarcerated with faulty evidence and so there's actually been a big push to get gavin newsom

00:41:18.800 to review and pardon him and i would also tell anyone that you can actually find that information

00:41:23.200 at 36 hours later.com if you want to see the full information on tori lanes uh i mean he's

00:41:29.200 newsom's trying to do everything else trump's doing hanging out with charlie kirk why not pardon a black 0.94

00:41:33.200 rapper i mean i think that this obviously is a huge uh swing and miss for democrats if they don't

00:41:38.160 get on board with this because you know they typically tend to try to say that they you know

00:41:42.960 own the black vote i would argue that they don't you're seeing that actually being reflected with

00:41:47.360 the support of president trump not just from black americans but also from hispanic americans but the

00:41:51.520 fact that right now they're being so quiet on this i think speaks to the fact that you know there's just

00:41:56.320 very real um fear that if you call to question someone like megan the stallion that you'll get hit by

00:42:02.240 cancel culture and saying that you're not defending women when in actuality it seems that megan the

00:42:06.240 stallion is probably suffering from a drinking affliction and that she made faulty statements 0.78

00:42:10.960 and that as a result of that someone is unfairly being incarcerated right now yeah i don't know about

00:42:15.280 her afflictions but people all genders can lie right all genders shapes and sizes can lie and 0.99

00:42:21.680 unfortunately you're seeing right now that tori lanes is he was stabbed 14 14 times in jail actually

00:42:27.600 just a few weeks ago it's a miracle that he's alive right now wow and so uh this definitely goes

00:42:32.080 pretty deep but i think that he'll get part in i know snoop dogg's been very vocal for him drake

00:42:36.080 a couple other people within the music industry who by the way i don't have any connection to and

00:42:40.560 by the way i'm not like a rapper but you know i do know how to read and i do know good evidence

00:42:45.120 and bad evidence when i see it and he was basically given a sham trial so if one pillar of like the luna

00:42:52.000 representation is this real um vein for transparency and justice like i would say the other in my observation

00:42:59.280 is your recalcitrance to these spending levels like you do seem genuinely aggrieved by how much

00:43:05.600 money the federal government is spending uh it is the source of everybody's discord and disagreement

00:43:11.680 right now i was struck by what ran paul said that like if he didn't vote against this bill he was

00:43:19.040 worried there'd be nobody left in washington that cared about spending help my viewers understand how

00:43:26.640 difficult it is for like the 10 20 of you who still care about this to try to get the rest to

00:43:34.400 prioritize the courage it takes to reduce spending yeah so you'll have an example to where it is about

00:43:41.680 20 plus members maybe that actually care about stopping the bleed in spending but what ends up

00:43:47.280 happening is remember we only have one vote and so you have a majority of the republican party and really

00:43:54.000 the democrat party that will message that if you are being responsible with funding that you are

00:43:59.920 essentially today chuck schumer said that um people were going to die and that we are all going to

00:44:05.280 die if you know president trump's big beautiful bill went through what i would say is that there's

00:44:10.320 also a lot of parliamentary procedure in the way that the sausage is made that people don't fully

00:44:13.920 understand so remember we have to be able to negotiate on our own terms so when we send something

00:44:18.480 over to senate we understand that it's maybe not a final product and then so for example in this big

00:44:23.520 beautiful bill what went through in reconciliation the senate then has to send a subversion back

00:44:28.480 and then we have to see if we agree to that and so what i will tell people is obviously you know ran

00:44:33.360 paul is not the only person that cares about spending in washington but it is very hard to actually get

00:44:38.640 these people to want to and i don't like using the word cut i like using the word save because what these

00:44:44.480 people end up doing is thinking okay whoever they're donating or getting donations from are not

00:44:49.520 going to re-donate to them they might not get re-elected etc and they don't really have i think

00:44:54.400 sometimes the backbone to be able to get combative in some of these arguments even if it's against

00:45:00.080 people like ourselves and so it can be frustrating at times but at least when you are going and honestly

00:45:06.320 thank god we have x right now because that's helping to i think combat a lot of the typically how

00:45:11.440 it would be done is they would plant stories against you saying that you're you know voting to cut

00:45:15.760 for example this is what the left did um saying that we were going we were responsible for cutting

00:45:20.160 all usaid funding that went to some of the aids medicines and that's simply not the case that was

00:45:26.000 kick-started back on again but the fact is we have a massive spending problem and we have to reel it in

00:45:29.760 so we have to go back to pre-covid levels of spending and i would argue even probably farther

00:45:34.640 uh you are also a real advocate for this maha movement oh hell yeah you're a maha mom uh i think

00:45:43.520 this is the this is a massive threat to the democratic party because and i was maha before

00:45:48.880 it was cool they basically said they didn't really want alpha men in in their party and really any man

00:45:55.280 i mean other than the betas and the and the transsexuals and now they're losing a lot of the moms and 0.98

00:46:02.320 what are you hearing from moms and am i overly optimistic that this maha branding is bringing

00:46:08.240 a lot of women to the republican party i'm in solidarity with the granola moms and so what i 1.00

00:46:12.800 will tell you is that again i've been following this since before it was really i think top of

00:46:18.080 the campaign trail issue for this past election cycle um obviously you know especially being a new

00:46:24.400 mom what my aha moment was is that i was actually sitting and interviewing someone from the fda on infant

00:46:30.480 formula i don't know if you remember matt but the infant formula crisis where biden actually pulled

00:46:34.560 all the formula off because there was contaminants well i was looking into that and you have really

00:46:39.920 only one or two manufacturers for all the infant formula in all the united states and there was an

00:46:44.640 outbreak during covid they weren't inspecting the facilities they then sold this product didn't report

00:46:49.920 it didn't recall it and a majority i think it was like maybe 10 20 of infants exposed to it would

00:46:56.480 have then suffered fatality so we have no idea how many infants actually died as a result of this

00:47:01.600 but then the biden administration then took some of the contaminated formula they actually sent it to

00:47:05.280 the border and so you have you know obviously i'm a border hawk but i don't also believe that

00:47:10.400 migrator should be given yeah i don't believe that they should be given i was also a fan of european 0.99

00:47:14.480 settlement i didn't think that the idea of giving the monkey pox exactly not good blankets to the

00:47:19.360 not good and so what i will tell you is after that happened i obviously did not trust the fda then we

00:47:24.480 we looked into what happened with the whole thalidomide issue and so it really caused me to

00:47:28.480 look into these other things that were being put into a lot of big food and what i would say is big

00:47:33.600 food is worried about how much money they're going to make at the end of the quarter so they go for

00:47:36.800 the cheapest product and a lot of time the cheapest product and additives are not good for you and so you

00:47:41.280 can look at plenty of things how they are manufactured here versus in other states but what's interesting

00:47:46.160 is there was not a lot of appetite for codification of this until rfk came on board and then people

00:47:52.640 realize oh well there's some voter support for it but really we're only seeing the charge on this

00:47:56.960 being led out of the white house because there's still fatigue in congress to actually do it and i

00:48:01.280 was also talking about you know high fructose corn syrup a lot of people didn't want to talk about

00:48:05.360 that either and then also to parabens i actually went to another member in florida to see if i could

00:48:10.320 actually help get them to lead out this effort to remove parabens which is toxic additives to our

00:48:15.280 personal hygiene products and they said that they're too preoccupied with other stuff and that they

00:48:19.280 couldn't help me on the issue so you know i'm still pushing this issue i still care about it deeply but

00:48:23.360 what i will tell you is make sure that you are looking into your ingredients because if you have

00:48:26.320 a young kid their entire endocrine system is being developed your family long-term exposures i mean we're

00:48:31.680 talking about disease here you need to make sure that you're very closely monitoring that because

00:48:36.240 don't trust big government don't trust big food either four years ago no republicans were talking like

00:48:42.720 that like that monologue you just gave you would expect to hear in the like farthest left corners

00:48:49.600 of democratic discourse but i'm i'm so here for it because for our country to be strong we have to be

00:48:55.760 strong as well there are a lot of people who are going to watch this podcast uh who don't live in the

00:49:01.520 saint pete area they're going to say i really wish she was representing me and uh throughout florida

00:49:06.880 throughout the country do you rule anything out in terms of you know maybe one day seeking

00:49:12.640 statewide office in florida or national office um i have not really thought about it to be honest with

00:49:17.680 you because i feel like you know you always get those questions and it would be a discussion that

00:49:23.200 i have to definitely have with andy my husband because it's already a lot as you know i come up

00:49:27.200 here and i flip here with my son every single time we're in session and it's a huge sacrifice you

00:49:31.760 know this of all people for your family to actually have to be exposed and put in the political

00:49:36.080 limelight but you know right now i'm here to support president trump and his agenda and i think

00:49:41.760 anything else is a distract distraction from the future um i would again have to really seriously

00:49:47.200 think about that veteran military spouse maxim model assassination target maverick congresswoman

00:49:57.120 and and maybe future candidate for statewide or national office on apolina luna thank you so much

00:50:01.200 for everything you do and for joining me on the show thank you want to see more great videos like

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - June 05, 2025

The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz ｜ Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

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