The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz | Rep. Anna Paulina Luna
Summary
Florida congresswoman Ana Paulina Luna (D-Florida) shares her story of how she joined the military at the age of 19 years old, and how it changed her life forever. She shares how she became a mother, a wife, and a daughter, and the impact it had on her life.
Transcript
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now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and dan ball
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we're joined today by florida congresswoman anna paulina luna and anna i if i'm not your biggest
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fan i'm definitely like at the upper tier of the fan club i am at least on the board of the fan
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club and when i when i tell people about your background a lot of people don't know that you
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were in the military uh i was just wondering if you could take us back to the moment when you
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decided to join the military why did you do it what was in your mind and now you know as a mother
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a congresswoman looking back how did it impact your life yeah so um i really wanted to go to school and
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i had absolutely no way of paying for it and ultimately you know my dad was struggling at
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the time with substance abuse and wasn't really in the picture and my mom had two younger kids
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from another marriage and so for me i needed a avenue of really getting out of a bad situation
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sounds like chaos yeah looking back and it actually didn't think that my life was abnormal and i mean
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you know the rest of my bio but it wasn't until i joined the military and i was like maybe it wasn't
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the best circumstances um but i ended up actually being at a an event and i overheard two young guys
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talking about the gi bill and how they're going to be starting school and they're like 20 years old
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anyways they ended up being marines at camp pendleton and i asked what they did they told
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me and so i actually map quested so this is going to date me a little bit but i map quested i printed
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directions and i drove to a recruiter's office and the air force recruiter was there and that's how i
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joined the air force did you uh choose the air force for a particular reason or that was just the
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office you went into um it was the one where the recruiter was there i actually had initially
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wanted i initially went to look at the marine corps and uh when you went through basic training
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and your initial like military training like did you ever imagine you would be a united states
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congresswoman no in fact um well first of all when i told my parents that i had enlisted remember this
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is the tail end of 2000 or early 2009 so we had just kicked off um the global war on terror and
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ultimately my mom thought i was gonna literally die and so she freaked out i told her my ship out date
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and then my dad was actually pretty shocked too so i didn't really tell my parents what i was doing
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uh they ended up being fully supportive of it and then obviously in our immediate family you know my
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dad hadn't served my mom hadn't served and so it was really different for us uh but no i never had
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anticipated on actually going into politics and so that story is a little interesting in itself i was
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actually we'll get there i'm not done with the military yeah so so set the scene for the year like
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when your years where where you're doing your the military service yeah so i was 19 years old when i
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enlisted which looking back at it you know i was a kid i was right out of high school and i went
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this is post 9 11 yeah post 9 11 i it was in 2009 february 2009 i enlisted and i went to at that time
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had like the people's opinion soured on the war that were in the military no i think that in general
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sentiment was still pretty high yeah and especially for me i mean i didn't really again i didn't have
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any family that was super like into politics the way that i'm into politics now and so for me i was
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looking at it more of a way of serving and then also to helping my family so actually the entire
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time that i was in i was actually able to send money back home and so i went from being you know
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basically an la kid a city urban population to essentially getting stationed at whiteman air
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force base in missouri and really kind of seeing what the rest of the country had to offer and i'd
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say you know a lot of people say well you know is it because you joined the military that you ended up
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being so conservative i'd actually say i've experienced every single liberal policy possible and live to tell
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the tale that they don't work and so because of that i was actually able to use my platform to help
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encourage other people to just think for themselves and fight and really fight for the american dream
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would you encourage young people today to consider military service and i still do actually i've
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encouraged all of my staff to join and then also too when i hear stories i think one of the most
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frustrating things for me is that you'll have people that say that the military i've heard people
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especially members of congress say that the military unfairly recruits minority demographics
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when i joined the military it was an opportunity for me to actually excel at life it gave me the
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structure that i needed it paid for my college it pre-step it stepped in and really provided
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structure that i desperately needed and so for people like me it's an opportunity where you can
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actually make something of yourself and have a hell of a career to be honest with you you served in a
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dual role as like a military veteran but then also as a military spouse uh your your husband terrific man
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um how did how did that type of service differ from like putting on the uniform yourself um so
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again i got married very early i i joined the military i did not anticipate on finding a husband i got
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married at 20 years old and he was 21 so literally had only been in the service a couple months and
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told again my mom we were getting married after like knowing him for a month and my mom thought i was
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crazy and here we are 15 years later um and it wasn't always easy right because when you're that
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young and then you see the ops tempo the deployment cycle my husband andy had a job that was very
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different from a lot of your regular military and he had a job that took him away every six months to
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deploy to a combative and kinetic location so andy was at air force combat control you know this you
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knew where herbert field was which is where we were stationed by the way matt i have told you this
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before but for those who don't know you're literally the first member of congress that i voted for so
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pretty cool uh full circle um but you know for us especially it gives you a lens and perspective
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of what military families go through and by the time andy and i had left active duty service many
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of our friends had been married and divorced multiple times because of ptsd because of the
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stressors that the military put on the family so when i came and i brought that perspective to
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washington it's a different lens that you look at especially when you hear a lot of people advocating
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for war yeah i remember when the military family issues were things like you know we want uh nice
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housing we want good commissary benefits no mold but now really child care has been the issue that
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has roared uh for military families who feel like that ought to be part of their entitlement and it's
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been really challenging i think industry-wide there like if you know if you could wave a magic wand and do
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anything to help military families what would it be the first thing i would do is get rid of the
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contractors that hold the contracts currently for base housing because what we're finding is
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actually speaking to the mold issue that many of them receive massive government contracts and then
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they will literally paint over black mold i mean they don't do anything to actually clean the
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cleanse these facilities or housing locations before these families move in and then it subjects these
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military families to long-term mold exposure that can actually be deadly in some cases so that's the
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first thing i would do but the second thing in regards to child care i mean anything that you can
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do to actually make it easier a lot of family members that are maybe you know four sometimes
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five kids on e12 or e3 salary which you know you can look that up it's not a lot of money but sometimes
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they are on snap and ebt benefits and i think that's crazy crazy that our military members are using snap
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and ebt in order to pay at the commissary and so i think that that goes to speak to you have defense
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contractors making millions of dollars you have these people that are getting paid essentially nothing
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and then being forced to use these you know programs that aren't necessarily great so
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in congress in the gen x and boomer generations the veterans were almost exclusively like i would
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say very pro-war you know they they had a foreign policy view particularly on the republican side that
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would more mirror liz cheney than donald trump it would be more john bolton less jd dance and your
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generation our generation of veterans you're a veteran i'm not uh seem to have a lot more skepticism
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about foreign entanglement and foreign involvement what do you attribute that to i think that the
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generation that i'm in and that our generation fought the war was different right so you had the
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war in afghanistan the war on like all that the war on terror um you have multiple ops tempos and
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deployment cycles it's different than vietnam world war one world war two even korea where people
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would go and then they would maybe spend some time there and then not have to go back as a result of
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that you're also seeing many of the younger members of congress actually look to alternative therapies
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for treating post-traumatic stress disorder and i think that that's also something that needs to be
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taken seriously because ptsd you know when you're in the military you hear about it and a lot of us
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younger you know you're invincible did not fully understand the long-term implications and impacts of that
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until you get out and then you see what your friends or your loved ones are struggling with after the
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fact so i'd say it's because the war was different then also too it's like you and that from a member
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of congress perspective perspective pisses me off because you'll have these same people that advocate
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for war they don't have people that are draft age that are going to be serving that are in their family
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you know if they were in the military and they are advocating for war we'll look at all who who they're
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taking money from the defense contractors and to me it's disingenuine because you're willing to
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send young men very smart brilliant young men and women to the front lines to basically seal the deal
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for something that you have no business interfering with in the first place and so you know speaking
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to president trump's foreign policy foreign policy perspective that rubio who we love has been doing
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a great job implementing that policy and then also you hear jd vance who was a devil dog marine you know
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he brings a unique perspective to this as well because he's not your average run-of-the-mill vet up in
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washington that's advocating for war and i think where do you worry about war most on the planet
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earth right now uh ukraine and russia and actually was just in foreign affairs earlier today and you
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should probably look at the clip for that because i actually was able to ask the witness that we had
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about what he thought with lindsey graham and the other senator heading out to ukraine and i think that
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when you have people again advocating for war undermining the white house and secretary of state's
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position on what's currently happening undermining peace talks and then they're literally actively getting
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paid by some of these defense contractors um that's corrupt you think that's what's happening
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with lindsey graham i think that's and you know lindsey graham is a vet but i think it's disingenuine
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what he's doing i think it's dangerous too you know ukraine nato they chose to not join nato is actively
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especially some of the european countries specifically germany that's facing an economic crisis right now
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is advocating for ukraine to get kinetic with russia and as a result of that you're seeing them
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undermine president trump's foreign policy perspective but by the way we're paying a majority
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of nato's fair share so if they want to do that if they want to engage in war then we don't need to
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be funding it and i continuously push for the withdrawal of nato and defunding because of that
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perspective i think we should expand nato i just think it's worth looking at the wrong country i think
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we should invite russia into nato like if if nato is going to have a modern purpose it would be to
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position as an alliance of of the united states and russia and aligned entities against china
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against extremism and it would probably result in a lot more peace if we were more closely
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cooperating with russia in areas where we had common interest well i don't think that russia is fully
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aligned with china i think that they've just been pushed into that friendship before now it's a
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leveraged buyout exactly but what i would also like to say is that it's really sad that we can't even
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have that discussion because if you do then you're labeled a russia sympathizer when in actuality
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right now no one's talking about i'm very surprised that aside from cash patel's post on x talking
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about the basically a bioweapon that china basically sent to the united states smuggled and they they
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caught them um why that's not getting more traction you have do you think that was an act of war i i would
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declare it as that because of the fact that it could make people sick it could destroy our crops
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and by the way remember china has a social credit system nothing goes in or out with them
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without them knowing about that so you can't say it's plausible deniability on that well i think
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that actually is what they were trying to achieve i think that that what is like insidious about
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agro tourism a phrase i hadn't even thought about until we had this experience is that you're creating
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so much mass famine and it can make you sick yeah yeah and you're not the the perpetrator doesn't have
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to be really proximate to it at the time unlike a bomb you know unlike uh you know something else that
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we would normally align with terrorism and so like are we going to have to have what competing warring
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funguses are we going to have to like send our funguses to china to take out their crops as a
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deterrent i think it actually brings up a scary discussion so remember that there was all of these
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dna companies that had data breaches and links i think that we're entering an age especially with
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scientific development where you can actually have specified targeted bio agents that do attack people's
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genomes whether or not they engineered this to do that but i think it is alarming and i think the
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fact that you have people that were as trump says panicans on the whole tariff issue i'm not actually
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understanding that china really does have a chokehold on us and then essentially what they did with this
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bioweapon which is what it is is basically try to make everyone in the country sick and kill all of
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our crops i mean do you think it was a response to the trade war i i do absolutely i think the same thing
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that happened with wuhan oh you think that that you can tie both of those biological attacks to
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trump's choices on trade because right before the the wuhan flu trump was working toward a deal with
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the chinese you think that you think that they preferred chaos to that deal and i don't think
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that they're stupid i think they're really smart i actually was at the white house when they first
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announced that um covet 19 was a pandemic and i remember the conversation that took place i was
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actually in the eisenhower building and what i will tell you is that china's not stupid they know
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that they can't probably hit us head on in a kinetic war and so that it's going to have to be behind the
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scenes i don't think and you know it's like kind of funny because especially being in politics half of
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the time i'll see you can always tell if there's bought farms bought trends i'm trying to sway public
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sentiment on certain things and i see it from time to time on certain issues but i do think right now
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that china would like nothing more than for there to be a kinetic incident with russia i think again tying back to
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foreign policy what happened with lindsey graham going over there um i actually was talking with
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ai and it actually went through and just completely demolished and destroyed their whole policy and on
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sanctioning russia because they're like this is literally political theater because you actually
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don't have something serious that would be you're talking to ai yeah i was i was going back and forth
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with um grok on the whole topic do you do that a lot yeah like like every day you talk to the world
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but when i have um political discussions going through sometimes even policy i talk to ai about it
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do you think other congressmen talk to robots i i would say that there's probably only two others
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that actually do it but it's kind of funny because especially on the legislation look i ran through
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the world's manual i read it but you know people will come up with these bullshit answers and then
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i'll run it through you know i'll have my opinion run it through and then i'll check it and then i go
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back and yeah they say you know if it's not the robots that takes over it's going to be the people
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who know how to use the robots so i guess so i want to get back to your to your entry to congress because
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it when i think about like where did anna paulina luna come from you did not uh run for local office
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you uh you know did not uh come from like uh pedigree family yeah some the scion of some family
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that had the ability to provide great resources as mine mine did um you really is it unfair to say
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you were kind of the first influencer turned congresswoman yeah i think that that's actually
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what freaks people out and that's when time magazine kind of did that profile um i actually
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had a very big social media following because of my work in my past life obviously so you don't reject
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that that label okay is there any other because i was i was picking my brain today and i was like
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is there a single other person that meets the luna category of influencer turned member of congress no
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and i think that it's actually interesting because when i first ran part of the reason why i was able to
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compete with big money from washington so after you endorsed me um there was for those people
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watching there was a candidate in the race that was actually being fully backed by
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the party actually against me by kevin mccarthy yeah by kevin mccarthy and a lot of pack money was
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coming in against me to the tune of millions the only way i was able to combat that and this was before
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the whole influencer fundraising market was saturated i actually digitally fundraised and i was able to
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put my link on my win red link online and people were giving me ten dollars five dollars twenty dollars
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and actually was responsible for me being able to compete and then secure my nomination into washington
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yeah so so you are one of one yeah in this category correct but so many run like so many
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influencers run and i don't know if they run to win and you were clearly running to win or if they're
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running just to build their brand but i bet a lot would love like your uh yellow brick road strategy
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so you talk about these uh small dollar resources how did you list build to be able to get there and
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then talk a little bit about the gorilla advertising you do because you you would send messages out at a
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very low cost but they were raw authentic entertaining cool uh go ahead and give us a little look in the
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luna playbook yeah so when i first ran for office i was obviously digitally fundraising heavily and then
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covet happened and so i was able to again i mean i think it was perfect timing in the sense that people
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were just paying attention to what was happening online but how much money are we talking i'm talking to
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my first race i raised three million and that was small dollar donations yeah and so a lot of people
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kind of wonder you know how can we replicate it now i think now it's a little bit saturated but
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the point is is going back to what really won my election um i actually so people ask okay so what
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do you do how do you get data and really you're talking about lists lists or the email contacts all
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of that to where you actually are able to engage a small dollar donor and it actually started with just
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win red collecting the information um i don't know if you know this but i actually fired my first
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general consultant because they're stealing money from me and i found that out that happens to so many
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candidates and it happens and and sometimes they'll just run candidates to steal the money not
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actually they're just a parasite that needs a host and they don't care if the host dies they'll move
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on exactly and that happens unfortunately to a lot of good candidates in in politics but i always tell
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people you can be the best candidate in the world but if you can't fundraise to get your name out there to
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basically like advertise the brand then it doesn't matter how good i don't want to give people false
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hope in this because there are a lot of people who will watch this and say oh perfect small dollar donors
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i'll send out some emails send out some text messages and just like anna paulina luna i will
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have three million dollars at my disposal when the reality is a lot of people would be better served if
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they can only raise maybe a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand run for the city council the
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county board of supervisors mayor yeah mayor uh maybe a state legislative position so i mean was it
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your experience with digital marketing was it some of the messaging you leaned into i think it was i think
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it was the messaging in part and then also too i did a lot of the hard work that other people didn't
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want to do so i actually started doing something called cold calling where you will get donor lists
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of random people and you will physically total strangers total strangers hello it's nice to meet
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you i would like 5 500 of your dollars yes and you actually have to pitch yourself in like a minute to
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this person and basically try to what's the success rate on that it's not high and i've had a lot of
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people say no and i had a lot of people i'm guessing you haven't been rejected a lot in life so what was that
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well you know um i always tell people i've never really had to ask people for money and i hate it
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to this day i hate making phone calls but i do it because again i'm not really you still do that you
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still call people i do about three hours what do people mostly say when i mean now you're you're
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very sometimes they'll call me and say like you know thank you so much for actually doing i'm so
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sick and tired of the bullshit i'm seeing in washington like we you're one of the good ones you
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know stay the course please don't quit anytime soon we need you and then i'll start laughing because you
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know i do anything it's not really you that it's like a robot sometimes my smaller dollar people
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like if they've donated you know 100 200 bucks i'll actually call them and say thank you
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sometimes they'll think that it's not actually me and they'll say wait is this actually you and
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then i say yes and they'll be like honey come here she's on the phone you know it's kind of sweet
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but you know i will say that you have to stay humble you have to be willing to do the hard work
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and then between last election this election even though i'm already in i've knocked over 60 000 doors with
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my uh campaign manager olivia and then my district director sam uh sam wilson and then a couple other
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volunteers and made over 110 000 phone calls and so i actually have the do you think you would have
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won without the doors and the phone i have the biggest grassroots operation in congress in the
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country period i will take that to the bank because that's literally just me and my small team
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what do you attribute that to hard work not wanting to lose i hate losing um and then also to just
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understanding that if i'm actually going to put my family out there put my name out there that i
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want to actually bring home wins and i do think that you know yes we have a lot wrong here but i do think
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that we can do a lot of good and so there's a younger generation of people the next generation coming up
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is extremely conservative and so they need good leaders to look to and so i'm hoping that you know
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i think it was denzel watching washington that said for each one teach one and so that's what i'm hoping to do
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you were my one so yeah i would say um you actually were the only member of congress that
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would talk to me when i first ran and then i had that crazy nut job that you just did the story on
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but um yeah no you i actually attribute my success largely to you helping to fight um off some of the
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attacks that i was getting so thank you do you well here's what i knew uh about you that you would be
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genuine and sincere and i i am so just frustrated with how people present one way to their voters
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but then they come here and they're just shills for their donors and like when you are calling
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some a cold calling someone you're not establishing some sort of obligation to them right because
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the very nature of it is not like oh we're gonna go on some junket together you know we're gonna and
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by the way they do are you know we see how many in congress have that type of relationship with their
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lobbyists and special interest donors and i knew you wouldn't do that and maybe you'd get some things
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right or wrong but at least wouldn't be the stuff you believed and and now you are this one of one in
00:22:11.680
congress and and i wonder from your perspective do you think you are just an anomaly a one-off or is this
00:22:18.000
the front end of the wave and are we going to see more people you know who have a central to their
00:22:23.680
identity a digital following activate that following to the type of grassroots deliverables that that
00:22:30.160
gave you election victories i think that it can be replicated and i hope to replicate it i have seen
00:22:37.520
already a shift i think in the last congress that came in of people that are more conservative leaning
00:22:43.760
that already kind of have profiles if you will but understand that congress as much as it's national
00:22:50.400
it's still very much local and so you can't just fully rely and phone it in as as they're local
00:22:56.560
influencers right yeah even in communities like well that's what i'm saying is like if you have a good
00:23:01.280
network in your community i would say absolutely try to leverage that and then try to run because what
00:23:07.520
we're finding is like people young people especially like our age people don't want to typically get
00:23:12.720
involved in politics because it can be nasty but like if that's one thing that we need it's younger
00:23:17.840
people because there's so much fatigue and this job is not easy and so you have to have people that
00:23:22.640
have the bandwidth and the stamina to take on some of these issues because if we don't we're going to
00:23:28.080
continue to see the same things happening over and over again and honestly i think sometimes people
00:23:32.960
that are you know later in life don't really have a lot to live for so if they're voting for things like
00:23:38.880
massive debt it doesn't really impact them the way that it does for us because they're
00:23:42.800
you know closer to the end of life yeah should there be like an age limit on congress after auto
00:23:49.120
pen gate maybe yeah maybe um so someone was engaged in a murder plot to kill you and when people hear
00:23:56.480
that they will yeah they will think that is crazy and uh when i i remember reading the headlines that you
00:24:04.480
were accusing the opposition in your campaign of literally conspiring to kill you and i thought
00:24:12.160
what in the world has anna heard a rumor and said it to a reporter i called you and i said anna you
00:24:17.600
know people are going to think that you've lost your mind making this this type of an allegation
00:24:22.720
and you just told me to remain calm that all the evidence would come forward and then it did
00:24:27.760
the poll says luna's going to win she's going to be gone she's going to disappear she's a stupid
00:24:35.120
excuse my language social media influencer yeah there's no reason she should be in office let's
00:24:42.480
just say that like luna's gonna win like she won't and actually if we have polling that proves she won't
00:24:50.400
she's gonna be gone period that's in the discussion luna is not an issue how do we make her go
00:24:58.560
uh i call up my russian ukrainian hit squad and within 24 hours they're sending me pictures of
00:25:06.720
her disappearing close battle combat tech nines mac 10 silencers kind of thing no snipers up close and
00:25:15.920
personal so they know they know the person they know that the target is gone don't be on the wrong
00:25:20.640
side of supporting luna yeah because if you're near her when time comes i just don't want that to
00:25:28.560
happen to you when you've got kids i'm not just blowing smoke here i'm being dead ass serious and
00:25:33.200
it scares me too so when did you know people were trying to kill you i got a call uh very late in the
00:25:38.560
uh very late in the night and at first i thought it wasn't true and then i heard the recording and
00:25:45.360
what i can say about that is that you know politics obviously is super crazy but with that being said
00:25:52.880
there's also really crazy people in the world that might actually do crazy stuff like that and it didn't
00:25:58.160
just stop there this person ended up fleeing the country and the u.s marshals got involved the doj the
00:26:02.640
fbi and ultimately if this had not been foiled do you think there would have really been an attempt
00:26:07.360
on your life based on the fact that the person was stalking me yeah i think so and what's crazy
00:26:13.280
to me is that the leftist media tried to paint me like i was nuts and that i was losing it i actually
00:26:19.280
tried to get a restraining order against this person if i was anyone else if i was not running
00:26:23.280
for office if i was not conservative i probably would have gotten it what's interesting is actually
00:26:28.160
later on kind of went after the judge a little bit because she did not end up giving me the restraining
00:26:32.320
order the guy fled the country then his opponent was recruited to run against me or his attorney
00:26:37.360
was recruited to run against me which is also really crazy and was backed by the former speaker
00:26:43.120
which was also nuts um but anyways mccarthy mccarthy not paul ryan not paul ryan um but the point is is
00:26:50.400
that you know that person they were talking about having me shot at close range proximity they were
00:26:55.360
telling people where they knew where i lived um i think that this did you ever think about now running
00:26:59.760
when you heard that recording well i was already running at the time yeah like just stopping no because
00:27:06.320
i felt like if i gave up i was going to give them what they wanted which was for me to not be
00:27:11.120
running for office but also to how did your family react to that i mean my mom was like you need to
00:27:17.840
not be in politics and my mom would have been like you are not doing this anymore yeah at the time my
00:27:22.800
dad was still alive and my dad was obviously over like he was pissed and he was obviously really
00:27:27.520
concerned and as part of the stipulation for me running and now being in offices i have to have security
00:27:32.080
yeah well and and and uh i wanted to talk about that as well because i remember feeling uh
00:27:39.760
like you always had to be aware and alert in public yeah and uh it is an edge that you have to maintain
00:27:47.920
at all times that i don't think our predecessors really had to deal with before the age of iphones
00:27:54.400
where someone could immediately notify a large group of people to come where you're at digital
00:27:59.440
stalking is a thing they actually i was talking to capitol police because obviously after this
00:28:03.520
happened and then i was elected to office still working with the doj you know they there's security
00:28:08.240
measures that are taken and they were saying that actually specifically to female legislators
00:28:12.400
especially that there's a high element of this type of stalking that exists but you know to be clear
00:28:18.160
i always tell people and i've always been a huge advocate for the second amendment but i carry
00:28:22.000
every single day doesn't matter where i'm at i'm not the only one that carries most of my staff does my
00:28:26.480
husband does and what i can also tell you is that you know this individual thank god someone came
00:28:31.840
forward and that they had information but the local authorities did not take it seriously
00:28:37.520
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00:28:42.800
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one of one uh you your national profile takes off you do a ton of media there are some uh people in
00:29:50.560
congress who resent that i dealt with that all the time oh you know you're always on tv oh you're
00:29:54.480
just doing it for clicks clicks or hits or interviews or whatever and you know i i would
00:30:00.640
always uh really bristle with that criticism because i would have loved to have been able to win the
00:30:06.640
battles that we were in in the absence of a groundswell of populist support i would love it
00:30:11.680
if people in congress weren't so utterly corrupt that you could sit there with logic and reason and
00:30:17.280
and persuasion and get them to the right side but at the end of the day you only move this town with
00:30:22.720
force and that force has to yeah has to be generated by by the people and so you know when when you get
00:30:28.800
some of those uh snide looks and sneers like like i got how do you think about your role in the
00:30:35.360
republican party as one of our most prominent communicators i don't give a shit well there you go yeah
00:30:41.440
i am actually you are here with the whole inherent contempt vote on garland so a lot of people did not
00:30:46.640
know that congress had this i call it this like ancient magic authority to basically go after
00:30:51.440
people if they for example ignored subpoenas at the time it was under you know the biden doj garland
00:30:57.920
defied congress protected the her tapes as we know now the her tapes have been released and they did
00:31:03.120
show that biden was cognitively in decline obviously suffering with memory issues but the whole point was
00:31:08.720
is that i remember a member of congress a republican member of congress that's still there actually told me
00:31:14.000
that i was just doing it for attention and that it wasn't within my constitutional rights or
00:31:18.640
authorities and that's simply not true it was um i also remember the former house council who since
00:31:24.720
resigned as of a few weeks ago actually told me that it was unconstitutional what i was trying to do
00:31:29.760
come to find out that she was basically a rhino shill and was trying to actually protect garland
00:31:34.640
and so what i will tell you is you cannot be here to make friends with these people because of the
00:31:39.120
fact that a majority of people only care about one thing and that's getting reelected i can tell you
00:31:44.080
that that i live in a very beautiful state i have a very happy marriage and i have an awesome little
00:31:49.440
boy and so if i at the end of the day don't get elected because i did what i generally think is
00:31:55.040
right i think that i'll sleep okay at night and so that's really i guess what allows me to continue
00:31:59.600
doing what i'm doing we're not going anywhere yet and uh you had you break through some of the
00:32:05.760
culture walls that typically constrain nerdy politicians maxim did this big piece on you i
00:32:12.480
think maxim wants you to run for president one day actually asked me yeah they would love to have a
00:32:18.160
former maxim model as the president of the united states but there there was a a theory of like
00:32:25.600
republicanism when i was coming up through the movement where there was this real embrace of
00:32:30.640
modesty right and we were kind of the party that didn't want folks to say dirty words or things
00:32:37.520
that made us feel uncomfortable and it was the other side that was uh doing revealing photo shoots
00:32:44.160
and and i think now we have like embraced our inner cool a little bit better and that has a ton to do
00:32:51.200
with trump but but uh how do you think about the intersection of politics and culture and aesthetic
00:32:59.200
and and how it plays out with your public service and your image um well so when i ran and then also
00:33:05.440
too during my first term i actually didn't really tell people that i did maxim or sports illustrated
00:33:10.160
because i just you know like i didn't think that that was something that like i wanted to like really
00:33:15.040
lead with mainly because i looked at it kind of just as a job and it was really in my past uh but it
00:33:20.400
was actually i don't know a single woman who if they had the opportunity to go do maximum or sports
00:33:25.040
illustrated wouldn't maybe i'm hanging out with the wrong crowd but i i think that most women
00:33:30.160
particularly millennials view it as a celebration of beauty and self-determination well also too it
00:33:36.160
happened um i was actually featured when i was in the military so the pentagon air force actually
00:33:41.360
approved it approved it because they said that it would help with recruitment numbers so that was
00:33:46.560
that was back in 2009 that you would have had you would have had to have some male equipment
00:33:50.720
in a bikini to get approved during the biden well so that's the context of like actually when it took
00:33:55.840
place and so when i actually ran i i didn't really like lead with that because i had so much in my
00:34:01.120
bio right like i was on track to go to medical school i had just gone out of the military um i
00:34:05.520
actually instead of going to medical school i actually joined turning point you say so i was a
00:34:09.440
national grassroots activist so that's kind of like really what i really had more like identified with
00:34:14.400
and lead into but it was actually a democrat oppo firm that tried to leak my maxim photos as if
00:34:20.480
to hit me and i said yeah i can biologically because they're at the time like not able to
00:34:24.320
define a woman so i remember the tweet i said you know at least i can define a woman oh i was roaring
00:34:29.280
in laughter with you on the house floors i thought wait a second what what the left believed would hurt
00:34:35.200
anna would be like a release of bathing suit pics yeah and by the way my my district is right on the
00:34:40.800
water clearwater just got number two beach in florida like my constituents a lot of them go on
00:34:45.760
boats and we wear swimsuits yeah yeah you don't represent idaho it would have been a different
00:34:50.080
thing uh in a different part of the country i told people i was like look these are older photos but
00:34:53.520
like yeah i can i wear swimsuits actually on a regular basis in fact i wear bikinis and it's not
00:34:57.120
a big deal and what i will tell you is that it actually really really badly blew up in their face
00:35:02.080
because that's actually how i landed the cover of maxim magazine so there you go yeah you are in a lot
00:35:07.040
of fights going on right now in congress and when i would wake up my favorite thing about the job was
00:35:14.000
there were so many virtuous fights to be in in any given day probably more than any one member of
00:35:20.160
congress could lend their effort to and so i was wondering if you would would let my viewers in on
00:35:24.880
like when you're evaluating the things that are before you in a day you've got this jfk assassination
00:35:32.080
project you're on you're working on uh uap disclosure you're one of the most prominent members
00:35:38.480
the oversight committee how do you design where to deploy your effort and and how do you triage
00:35:46.000
those fights that a day presents i am a chronic multitasker and i actually learned that in the
00:35:50.800
military from my job in the military being able to manage an airfield flight plans inspections you
00:35:56.720
know flight logs all of that so that's actually how i conduct myself on a regular basis here in
00:36:00.640
washington a lot of people say well you know how do you sleep i mean i sleep but i think if you're
00:36:06.000
doing what you genuinely are passionate about it doesn't become work and so i always make sure that
00:36:10.320
i take time for myself and my family but i'm very much so involved mentally in what i'm doing and so
00:36:15.840
you know everything still things go to slow right in washington and so you see that we've been
00:36:21.280
conducting our investigations into jfk but i'm simultaneously conducting that with like rfk uap
00:36:27.200
stuff the task force obviously auto pen with oversight it seems like transparency is like the core
00:36:32.560
central thesis of the things that like what about your psyche is so deeply offended when someone's
00:36:39.120
trying to keep a secret from you um i think what it is is that it's so wrong like you actually had one
00:36:44.320
of the youngest most charismatic arguable presidents in u.s history that was just assassinated before the
00:36:50.640
entire country and then the gall of the federal government to just gaslight people and say yeah it
00:36:55.520
was a single shooter that was it you know when i first announced that i was going to be on that task
00:36:58.960
force there's just like weird op against me saying that i was somehow going to like hold all
00:37:02.960
declassification authority and hide it from the american people and then as soon as trump blew the
00:37:06.800
doors off of it with just the immediate release they just come those people just crawled back under
00:37:10.400
their you know their rocks like the cockroaches that they were but the point was is that i think right
00:37:15.440
now what we're seeing is it this is only possible the level of transparency with this administration
00:37:20.320
because you have people like gabbard like the cia director like uh cash patel that are actually ahead of
00:37:27.280
these departments that also hold the same position and ideal ideology that trump does and that we do
00:37:33.920
and that the american people deserve transparency for example okay just yesterday we had a drop from
00:37:39.840
the cia that was directed by ratcliffe that actually released for the first time in u.s history the 44 pages
00:37:47.600
of previously hidden joe needy or 44 documents of the joe needy's files joe needy's was one of the
00:37:53.680
operatives that a lot of people say was responsible for potentially orchestrating the assassination on
00:37:58.560
gfk right this has been kind of the biggest question in the gfk community for a very long time
00:38:04.320
and so we actually were able to obtain those files those are obviously going to be public record
00:38:08.960
i showed the investigators that we are working with but the point is is that would have only happened
00:38:13.520
if president trump and ratcliffe had aligned and actually released that now it's not everything yet
00:38:18.160
we're still working and the cia has actually called me to tell me that they're still working on releases
00:38:22.000
and those will be coming out in the next couple weeks but it's interesting right and i'm a history
00:38:25.840
buff and so i'm all about setting the historical precedent so the warren commission can take a hike
00:38:30.160
we will have the final say on what happened with jfk and put together a report for the american people
00:38:34.160
and i don't want you to prejudge that i will just offer my own perspective that i
00:38:37.600
i believe that elements of our own government were not only aware that this was going on but were
00:38:44.160
providing some sort of logistical support like the saudis were providing logistical support for the 9 11
00:38:50.480
hijackers i actually think our government government i think that's an interesting corollary
00:38:54.640
where it might not have been a you know u.s government person who um set the exact route but
00:39:01.360
provided sufficient an ecosystem where that assassination could take place which is a
00:39:06.720
terrible thing to have to look we had it we had a doctor that was actually at the um room where jfk
00:39:13.920
was brought right after the shooting that testified that jfk was shot from the front and the back
00:39:18.960
and so i mean this was an actual doctor who was a surgeon at the time and when i actually went and
00:39:24.640
made that statement people said that i was a conspiracy theorist that i was trying to summon
00:39:28.400
dead people from the warren commission i actually had people that were there um actually in the room
00:39:33.360
with kennedy as it took place and so the media will try to dispel that but what i will tell you is
00:39:37.600
that you know when you have the cia act the former cia actively working to undermine the american
00:39:43.360
people's judgment on gfk hiding information lying to congress destroying evidence i think that that
00:39:48.480
tells you everything you need to know about the cia at the time and so you as well 60 plus of other
00:39:54.160
americans also have that same sentiment so we're just simply providing them the answers for them
00:39:57.680
to conclude their own do you trust john rackliff i like him yeah i actually trust him and in fact
00:40:01.760
everything that we've asked for so far he's delivered on so i actually really like him nice
00:40:05.920
terrific uh my vish is so bummed he's not able to participate in this podcast he's back at san
00:40:11.520
diego but the one thing he said i had to ask you about you have been chiming in on this rapper trial
00:40:16.080
going on oh tour lanes yeah so who is that yeah and what is going on yeah tour lanes is a well-known
00:40:22.880
rapper who was accused of shooting megan the stallion who's also a rapper i've heard of her yeah megan
00:40:28.800
sign it was the one that was dancing for kamala harris at her rally which is interesting because we
00:40:33.600
all know kamala harris was now paying people for these endorsements but i know there i there we were
00:40:37.760
doing it for trump for free we were just doing it because we loved the man and these people have
00:40:43.200
way more money than us we're getting back we are the dopes exactly but um you know what's interesting
00:40:48.720
is so megan stallion are said that tori lane shot her in the foot you know you get shot in the foot
00:40:54.480
it looks a little bit different come to find out that the dna evidence didn't match the firearm for
00:40:59.120
tori that obviously there was no shrapnel that was able to be located that the information and
00:41:04.240
statements made by megan the stallion conflicted with body cam footage from officers and statements
00:41:08.480
and affidavits as well and so i do believe that tori lanes was unfairly put on trial and that he's
00:41:13.840
being incarcerated with faulty evidence and so there's actually been a big push to get gavin newsom
00:41:18.800
to review and pardon him and i would also tell anyone that you can actually find that information
00:41:23.200
at 36 hours later.com if you want to see the full information on tori lanes uh i mean he's
00:41:29.200
newsom's trying to do everything else trump's doing hanging out with charlie kirk why not pardon a black
00:41:33.200
rapper i mean i think that this obviously is a huge uh swing and miss for democrats if they don't
00:41:38.160
get on board with this because you know they typically tend to try to say that they you know
00:41:42.960
own the black vote i would argue that they don't you're seeing that actually being reflected with
00:41:47.360
the support of president trump not just from black americans but also from hispanic americans but the
00:41:51.520
fact that right now they're being so quiet on this i think speaks to the fact that you know there's just
00:41:56.320
very real um fear that if you call to question someone like megan the stallion that you'll get hit by
00:42:02.240
cancel culture and saying that you're not defending women when in actuality it seems that megan the
00:42:06.240
stallion is probably suffering from a drinking affliction and that she made faulty statements
00:42:10.960
and that as a result of that someone is unfairly being incarcerated right now yeah i don't know about
00:42:15.280
her afflictions but people all genders can lie right all genders shapes and sizes can lie and
00:42:21.680
unfortunately you're seeing right now that tori lanes is he was stabbed 14 14 times in jail actually
00:42:27.600
just a few weeks ago it's a miracle that he's alive right now wow and so uh this definitely goes
00:42:32.080
pretty deep but i think that he'll get part in i know snoop dogg's been very vocal for him drake
00:42:36.080
a couple other people within the music industry who by the way i don't have any connection to and
00:42:40.560
by the way i'm not like a rapper but you know i do know how to read and i do know good evidence
00:42:45.120
and bad evidence when i see it and he was basically given a sham trial so if one pillar of like the luna
00:42:52.000
representation is this real um vein for transparency and justice like i would say the other in my observation
00:42:59.280
is your recalcitrance to these spending levels like you do seem genuinely aggrieved by how much
00:43:05.600
money the federal government is spending uh it is the source of everybody's discord and disagreement
00:43:11.680
right now i was struck by what ran paul said that like if he didn't vote against this bill he was
00:43:19.040
worried there'd be nobody left in washington that cared about spending help my viewers understand how
00:43:26.640
difficult it is for like the 10 20 of you who still care about this to try to get the rest to
00:43:34.400
prioritize the courage it takes to reduce spending yeah so you'll have an example to where it is about
00:43:41.680
20 plus members maybe that actually care about stopping the bleed in spending but what ends up
00:43:47.280
happening is remember we only have one vote and so you have a majority of the republican party and really
00:43:54.000
the democrat party that will message that if you are being responsible with funding that you are
00:43:59.920
essentially today chuck schumer said that um people were going to die and that we are all going to
00:44:05.280
die if you know president trump's big beautiful bill went through what i would say is that there's
00:44:10.320
also a lot of parliamentary procedure in the way that the sausage is made that people don't fully
00:44:13.920
understand so remember we have to be able to negotiate on our own terms so when we send something
00:44:18.480
over to senate we understand that it's maybe not a final product and then so for example in this big
00:44:23.520
beautiful bill what went through in reconciliation the senate then has to send a subversion back
00:44:28.480
and then we have to see if we agree to that and so what i will tell people is obviously you know ran
00:44:33.360
paul is not the only person that cares about spending in washington but it is very hard to actually get
00:44:38.640
these people to want to and i don't like using the word cut i like using the word save because what these
00:44:44.480
people end up doing is thinking okay whoever they're donating or getting donations from are not
00:44:49.520
going to re-donate to them they might not get re-elected etc and they don't really have i think
00:44:54.400
sometimes the backbone to be able to get combative in some of these arguments even if it's against
00:45:00.080
people like ourselves and so it can be frustrating at times but at least when you are going and honestly
00:45:06.320
thank god we have x right now because that's helping to i think combat a lot of the typically how
00:45:11.440
it would be done is they would plant stories against you saying that you're you know voting to cut
00:45:15.760
for example this is what the left did um saying that we were going we were responsible for cutting
00:45:20.160
all usaid funding that went to some of the aids medicines and that's simply not the case that was
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kick-started back on again but the fact is we have a massive spending problem and we have to reel it in
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so we have to go back to pre-covid levels of spending and i would argue even probably farther
00:45:34.640
uh you are also a real advocate for this maha movement oh hell yeah you're a maha mom uh i think
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this is the this is a massive threat to the democratic party because and i was maha before
00:45:48.880
it was cool they basically said they didn't really want alpha men in in their party and really any man
00:45:55.280
i mean other than the betas and the and the transsexuals and now they're losing a lot of the moms and
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what are you hearing from moms and am i overly optimistic that this maha branding is bringing
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a lot of women to the republican party i'm in solidarity with the granola moms and so what i
00:46:12.800
will tell you is that again i've been following this since before it was really i think top of
00:46:18.080
the campaign trail issue for this past election cycle um obviously you know especially being a new
00:46:24.400
mom what my aha moment was is that i was actually sitting and interviewing someone from the fda on infant
00:46:30.480
formula i don't know if you remember matt but the infant formula crisis where biden actually pulled
00:46:34.560
all the formula off because there was contaminants well i was looking into that and you have really
00:46:39.920
only one or two manufacturers for all the infant formula in all the united states and there was an
00:46:44.640
outbreak during covid they weren't inspecting the facilities they then sold this product didn't report
00:46:49.920
it didn't recall it and a majority i think it was like maybe 10 20 of infants exposed to it would
00:46:56.480
have then suffered fatality so we have no idea how many infants actually died as a result of this
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but then the biden administration then took some of the contaminated formula they actually sent it to
00:47:05.280
the border and so you have you know obviously i'm a border hawk but i don't also believe that
00:47:10.400
migrator should be given yeah i don't believe that they should be given i was also a fan of european
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settlement i didn't think that the idea of giving the monkey pox exactly not good blankets to the
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not good and so what i will tell you is after that happened i obviously did not trust the fda then we
00:47:24.480
we looked into what happened with the whole thalidomide issue and so it really caused me to
00:47:28.480
look into these other things that were being put into a lot of big food and what i would say is big
00:47:33.600
food is worried about how much money they're going to make at the end of the quarter so they go for
00:47:36.800
the cheapest product and a lot of time the cheapest product and additives are not good for you and so you
00:47:41.280
can look at plenty of things how they are manufactured here versus in other states but what's interesting
00:47:46.160
is there was not a lot of appetite for codification of this until rfk came on board and then people
00:47:52.640
realize oh well there's some voter support for it but really we're only seeing the charge on this
00:47:56.960
being led out of the white house because there's still fatigue in congress to actually do it and i
00:48:01.280
was also talking about you know high fructose corn syrup a lot of people didn't want to talk about
00:48:05.360
that either and then also to parabens i actually went to another member in florida to see if i could
00:48:10.320
actually help get them to lead out this effort to remove parabens which is toxic additives to our
00:48:15.280
personal hygiene products and they said that they're too preoccupied with other stuff and that they
00:48:19.280
couldn't help me on the issue so you know i'm still pushing this issue i still care about it deeply but
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what i will tell you is make sure that you are looking into your ingredients because if you have
00:48:26.320
a young kid their entire endocrine system is being developed your family long-term exposures i mean we're
00:48:31.680
talking about disease here you need to make sure that you're very closely monitoring that because
00:48:36.240
don't trust big government don't trust big food either four years ago no republicans were talking like
00:48:42.720
that like that monologue you just gave you would expect to hear in the like farthest left corners
00:48:49.600
of democratic discourse but i'm i'm so here for it because for our country to be strong we have to be
00:48:55.760
strong as well there are a lot of people who are going to watch this podcast uh who don't live in the
00:49:01.520
saint pete area they're going to say i really wish she was representing me and uh throughout florida
00:49:06.880
throughout the country do you rule anything out in terms of you know maybe one day seeking
00:49:12.640
statewide office in florida or national office um i have not really thought about it to be honest with
00:49:17.680
you because i feel like you know you always get those questions and it would be a discussion that
00:49:23.200
i have to definitely have with andy my husband because it's already a lot as you know i come up
00:49:27.200
here and i flip here with my son every single time we're in session and it's a huge sacrifice you
00:49:31.760
know this of all people for your family to actually have to be exposed and put in the political
00:49:36.080
limelight but you know right now i'm here to support president trump and his agenda and i think
00:49:41.760
anything else is a distract distraction from the future um i would again have to really seriously
00:49:47.200
think about that veteran military spouse maxim model assassination target maverick congresswoman
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and and maybe future candidate for statewide or national office on apolina luna thank you so much
00:50:01.200
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