The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz ｜ US-Israeli Friendship, Regulating AI, & NYC Mayoral Primary

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and dan ball

00:00:11.340 every superhero gets the sidekick they deserve batman had ramen the lone ranger had tonto and

00:00:22.420 i have vish burrah vish thanks for joining me as always i was looking forward to getting the hot

00:00:29.260 takes on this new york mayoral race i mean we've had a number of your buddies from the mean political

00:00:36.420 streets of new york on the matt gates show recently talking about this guy as a rising figure

00:00:41.940 i i see i was kind of looking at the messaging and on conservative media it's very curated it focuses

00:00:50.520 on uh his desire for universal basic income kind of an open borders energy uh i get the sense but

00:00:58.240 there was a populist message in there well packaged this ad i saw it impressed me

00:01:04.920 new york is suffering from a crisis and it's called halal flation 1.00

00:01:08.320 today we're gonna get to the bottom of this

00:01:14.080 how much does a plate of halal cost right now from this truck ten dollars ten dollars

00:01:19.840 when you're a street vendor you have to pay for the food the plates how much do you have to pay for

00:01:30.440 your permit before it was 22k twenty seventeen thousand how much does a license cost if you get

00:01:36.460 it from the city i think uh four hundred who are you paying the permit owner you're not paying the

00:01:41.700 city no no no you pay the permit owner twenty two thousand dollars just so you can sell this food yes

00:01:47.380 and who is this random guy have you ever applied for a permit yeah i applied and no come anything

00:01:55.080 it's long wait i'm number three thousand eight hundred something after two years you're number three

00:02:01.120 thousand eight hundred yes these are the four bills that are sitting in the city council right now

00:02:07.200 which would give these vendors their own permits and make your halal more affordable

00:02:10.860 is that a winner is that the next mayor of new york totally brilliant ad he knew he understood exactly

00:02:17.720 what demographic he was speaking to exactly what generation he was speaking to i remember even to

00:02:24.340 this day uh you know i'll go out at you know when the bars are open at 4 a.m and you know everything

00:02:30.380 shuts down but there's only one lone soldier who's willing to feed you at 4 a.m in new york city and

00:02:36.860 that's the halal cart guy and so everyone in new york of a certain age knows that guy knows how much

00:02:44.360 that plate cost when we were young it cost about five dollars a plate six dollars a plate now it's 10

00:02:49.200 it's just a brilliant way to show that he understands new york new yorkers a certain generation and

00:02:56.600 might i also add he managed to sell deregulation as taking on the establishment exactly you know that

00:03:04.860 is the actual magic in his messaging uh in that ad and i just think that it was just a brilliant

00:03:11.860 strategy and a brilliant tactic there was a real zoomer energy to it i mean there was a there was a

00:03:17.580 real uh sense that you know it was an authentic interaction he was having among new yorkers as one

00:03:25.320 of them and i'm looking at this thinking about all of the slick 30 second spots that the consultants in

00:03:32.800 new york and washington put together of like somebody riding a bull or on a tank or on a

00:03:40.160 construction site pointing at things and it it kind of seems like this is the wave of the future

00:03:45.880 especially it's not it's not just anything to knock down the cuomo dynasty in new york like these are

00:03:52.520 people who don't lose elections in new york and he did it did he have like a considerably fewer

00:03:58.500 resources how did he fund this well i i think a lot of it was small dollar donations but i mean

00:04:03.880 there's obviously there's talk of him coming from a very a wealthy family and all that but

00:04:08.340 really a lot the money kind of didn't matter here i think that you and you could see just through the

00:04:15.080 campaign how it all ended up in front of us right like for example um one of the things that he did

00:04:21.260 you know there were these policies that he's talking about uh state-run grocery stores you know

00:04:26.180 freezing the rent uh you know things like this uh and then on the the his opponents like a cuomo

00:04:32.780 or you know brad lander everyone else talked about trump and talked about how they were going to fight

00:04:39.120 trump so there's there's kind of when you talk to about cuomo and and mom danny okay mom danny is you

00:04:46.400 know proposing freezing rents and stuff he might be a psychopath but he wants to govern the city as

00:04:52.100 opposed to like cuomo who might have been capable of governing but he wanted to run for president 0.99

00:04:58.380 right and that's why he's bringing up trump and all this stuff and i think that kind of showed where

00:05:04.000 the priorities are and a lot of people were just like at least he's talking about me and and or like

00:05:08.660 the problems that concern me and not talking about trump and so i think that there is a certain angle to

00:05:14.500 that and uh i just think that that there was an authenticity to his campaign talk about the big

00:05:20.080 long walk oh man this is the i thought you know a lot of people there's many people can pick their

00:05:25.180 favorite brilliant spots of this campaign my favorite one is where he did this walk in manhattan

00:05:31.360 from the very top tippy top of manhattan in inwood heights all the way down to battery park that is not

00:05:37.100 a short walk and he filmed the whole thing throughout the whole day just shaking hands on his way down

00:05:43.360 there and you know what that does a lot of things first of all he showed that he did the walk too it

00:05:50.600 shows that he's young and energetic and vigorous right and three he went and shook hands and showed

00:05:57.900 that all those different demographics and sections and areas of the city it's very diverse as you get

00:06:03.860 from the north to the south and and he went shook hands with all of them that i mean i'm just this is

00:06:09.200 the way of the future and again the authenticity is what really breaks through with this guy the

00:06:13.960 finance bros are in total freak out meltdown mode right now the finance bros see this as a real

00:06:22.060 reshaping of the economic image of new york city the business image the ability they're going to have to

00:06:28.700 be able to accumulate wealth to be able to spend money and you've you've got some of these strong

00:06:35.040 democrat voices really wondering where they're going to put their support so so here's the

00:06:40.920 question did they ultimately co-opt this guy i mean we've seen so many of these figures like aoc are you

00:06:48.140 telling me aoc isn't co-opted aoc was was kind of the the mandami of her time yeah because she was 0.95

00:06:56.540 going to come from the streets of new york be authentic fight for socialism take on the establishment

00:07:02.800 aoc didn't even have the ink dry on her election certificate before she was voting for nancy 1.00

00:07:09.340 pelosi for speaker of the house and just in a straight washington power deal where she got to 0.97

00:07:14.940 be on the oversight committee and got to be on the financial services committee so she had a price

00:07:19.960 pelosi paid it and the thing is aoc has never actually recovered from that like what what's the

00:07:24.880 big battle where aoc took on the democrat establishment i mean that there was a full woke topian

00:07:31.960 ballast in the biden white house that was running things there it's only she shaped the nature of of 0.99

00:07:37.260 what biden was doing during his presidency and so it does this guy go down a similar path or is he able

00:07:43.700 to maintain some distance from those forces i think that first of all he will be because i don't think

00:07:49.000 this is a one-to-one comparison in that regard yeah maybe they're similar in ideology or uh tactics but

00:07:56.260 their field and environment is actually way different and the seat that they get to sit in

00:08:01.040 is way different aoc is one of 435 careful you know listen you know the problems that that that

00:08:11.300 arise around having to get a get along with the people that are around you in order to get anything

00:08:17.340 done whereas mamdani is going for an executive level position where and it's and he's got a lot of

00:08:23.180 unilateral power as the mayor of new york city right and so that it's just there is this kind

00:08:28.920 of like he there so can they beat him i mean we we we were doing the math on the show this week with

00:08:34.060 different okay if you take eric adams and a substantial portion of the black vote and if

00:08:38.420 maybe some republicans really are scared of uh of mandami and and go with adams can that build something

00:08:46.040 there there was a very uh quickly discussed re-emergence of cuomo in the general election as a

00:08:52.000 possibility that seems to have been snuffed out or you're saying this guy has got the riz he has got

00:08:58.360 the message he uh shocked the establishment in this primary and he's going to do what every other winner

00:09:06.200 of the democratic primary does in you know pretty recent memory and that is to go on to become the

00:09:11.020 mayor of of our oh yeah i mean listen as things stand right now if whatever is in play as it is

00:09:17.760 continues this guy will win he has the voter intensity new york is a new york city's low

00:09:23.500 turnout elections so it all depends it's low turnout in general so it all depends on energized

00:09:29.380 people going out and getting other voters to okay okay and so he's got that in the bag so once he does

00:09:35.680 that is his face on every male piece in the midterms do the republicans seize on this and say

00:09:42.880 this is the new face of the democratic party someone who is an avowed socialist someone who

00:09:47.960 believes in like freezing rent and having communist uh government-run grocery stores or or does that not

00:09:54.760 work in like a swing district in des moines it's just not gonna work anymore it's just not gonna work

00:10:00.760 you're talking about new york city in a certain way people will be like i mean using it more broadly

00:10:04.600 yeah but i i mean i don't i don't think that it's gonna work instead of you you have to it's better that

00:10:10.720 we try to crack how we why he won as opposed to just kind of using him because yeah we can use him

00:10:16.720 that whatever i say doesn't matter he's gonna be used in that way as sort of this you know scare

00:10:22.360 figure in the off years in the run-up to the midterm right like they did to marjorie in 2021

00:10:26.860 right that i think they'll they'll use that but i i don't think it's it's not going to be as effective

00:10:33.120 as anyone's going to hope all right so there has to be that person that's the archetype right we saw

00:10:38.500 democrats try to uh scare swing voters with uh the you know out of context statements by marjorie

00:10:45.700 taylor green or that i i remember giving a speech and talking about the second amendment in silicon

00:10:50.680 valley and then they spliced it together like i wanted to see people executed in silicon valley

00:10:55.840 which was totally bogus and false but but if you're looking at our side obviously they're going

00:11:01.880 to use trump yeah uh jasmine crockett is my nominee jasmine crockett is my nominee for the face of the

00:11:09.760 democratic party she's been that uh oh you think she's achieved it i think she's already i think

00:11:14.600 she's been she's been that in the in these last couple of months no no yeah i i think i think there's

00:11:19.520 work to do for jasmine crockett to really be presented in these frontline swing districts 1.00

00:11:25.220 as like the the idea center for their viewpoint and just the tone like the tone of uh that you get

00:11:33.000 out of jasmine crockett is this is the weird stuff that you know we want to do with the government

00:11:38.720 and if you don't like it like you know you're there's a combativeness to it well i think she's

00:11:45.300 all when i say that i think she's already being brought like she's being primed for that and you

00:11:50.900 know how these cycles go the money starts rolling around you know the end of the end of the year and

00:11:56.140 the beginning of next year they're going to be putting her face all over uh all over america in 0.85

00:12:01.620 these swing districts and i think they'll do the same with zeron uh you know clearly out of a literal

00:12:07.200 self-described socialist you know so i mean that's not hard um but i do who do you think is the most

00:12:12.860 valuable democrat surrogate in the midterms if those are the boogeymen who who do they look to and say

00:12:18.840 you know this is who i want in my district campaigning for me in these in these frontline

00:12:23.140 areas yeah you know that's that's actually a great question uh i don't i haven't seen anyone who's

00:12:30.280 who's really been capable of doing that i mean that's why they're defaulting to the fighters yeah

00:12:35.500 but they gotta you gotta you gotta do the exercise with me here obama was the chosen closer right in

00:12:43.300 2024 in you know 2022 in 20 i mean he has been the perennial closer and it just didn't kick no the

00:12:53.260 same way this last time if you really get into the math of where trump reshaped a lot of these

00:13:00.280 precincts it's in these urban areas where people just weren't going to show up for kamala harris 0.99

00:13:04.660 and obama was who they were sending yeah to detroit to philly so so i think that you know you got to

00:13:11.240 think about does anyone today eclipse that does a gavin newsom eclipse that if you're in uh think

00:13:16.780 about like the the mike lawler district uh that the democrats will definitely come for in new york

00:13:22.220 yes does gavin newsom play to that crowd no why not gavin newsom doesn't play to that crowd because

00:13:29.320 we're in a big you know state with its own rep like new york and gavin newsom the number one thing

00:13:35.620 that he gets painted even amongst normies is like how did you mess up california that's the

00:13:41.000 number one question anybody has like how do you screw up a perfect state and so i don't think

00:13:47.540 he's going to be somebody who's useful to campaign in that you might actually get a better shot with

00:13:54.640 aoc or bernie sanders really showing up in that really you're nominating them for potential uh top

00:14:01.220 well because it's actually there's a heavy jewish population there in monseen orange county and that

00:14:06.520 and so bernie's jewish you know so and then aoc and that that county that area is not that far from

00:14:12.680 where aoc actually grew up which is yorktown heights you know so like there's there's there's

00:14:19.240 an uh certainly an appeal there there's a sub suburban you know well well off what moneyed suburban

00:14:24.980 uh populace there also you know the first person that's going to come in there and say i'm going to

00:14:30.620 get you your salt deductions back that's that's also going to be a winner so i think trump campaigns

00:14:36.700 real hard in these midterms and shows up in a lot of these swing districts because he doesn't want to

00:14:41.480 see that house of representatives fall into the hands of hakeem jeffries and completely change how

00:14:48.500 every day is lived out at the white house yeah well i mean honestly look as long as trump is not on

00:14:54.900 the ballot it's really hard to turn out those voters it just is right we've seen this in 2018

00:15:00.540 we've seen this in 2022 the red wave that we were supposed to have right so you're pessimistic about

00:15:06.180 the midterms i i mean i don't see right now especially with you know this sort of kind of

00:15:13.260 fracturing with the israel iran talk and and all that i don't see the energy there to like with these

00:15:21.060 like normie low propensity trump voters to come out if trump is not on the on the table like what

00:15:26.900 are they coming out well i i think that you can make a compelling case to low propensity voters

00:15:32.340 that the fight isn't over and that if the congress swings to the democrats if their governor becomes a

00:15:41.360 democrat that the very policies that they voted against in kamala harris the the sex changes for the

00:15:49.780 illegal alien prisoners uh the demand for equity over merit the growth of government uh deeper into

00:15:59.700 people's lives that that is going to be a concerning thing and i actually think that if you have trump

00:16:06.260 out there as the principal messenger people are going to want to see him continue to be successful

00:16:11.840 i i i get that but i think low propensity voters and normies their issues are generally

00:16:19.560 closer to home and i think they want to see victories the web the way donald trump wins and

00:16:25.440 gets people out is by delivering victories and they will point to the border and they'll and well

00:16:30.640 the yes the border but i mean the border was like the 2016 issue being addressed now we want the

00:16:38.080 deportation well sure and those are happening i mean we saw recently there was a this last week a large

00:16:43.480 facility in north carolina where the ice raid occurred and the owners or the people who were

00:16:52.240 involved in acquiring illegal immigrant labor were going to be charged with federal crimes yeah like

00:16:57.680 you don't think that has a sweeping effect on a lot of these enterprises that have been utilizing

00:17:02.200 illegal labor for a long time i mean yes for now but voters have short memories and they're gonna

00:17:08.940 they're gonna go i mean by the a year from now you know unless like there's like 10 of those happening

00:17:15.020 a day that we can point to you know you can there there are going to be people who are going to say

00:17:21.020 that he's not you know he's not delivering the way either we expected him or you expected him right

00:17:27.200 it's it's a way to to come at you and say oh trump is not holding well this is the historical challenge

00:17:33.220 for presidents in the first midterm right because when you are at the beginning of electing someone

00:17:39.280 anything is possible every dream of what they would accomplish with an executive order or a piece of

00:17:45.640 legislation or a foreign engagement everything is rosy and people stare at the inkblot and see what they

00:17:52.620 want to see yeah and the reality is washington has contours of power there uh it's not a town that does a lot

00:17:59.980 of things simultaneously well no it's kind of one drawn focus and that focus has been on a lot of

00:18:07.540 these foreign policy questions now i think that with uh the coming weeks you have to assume trump's

00:18:13.620 going to get the big bite at his economic agenda with this with this big bill and uh and so i actually

00:18:19.200 i i think there's still enough to engage those voters i do think they have to have a reason i think

00:18:24.420 there are certain pitfalls you can't go into and we're going to talk about uh that in a little bit

00:18:28.520 but there was this mouse of an issue this week that roared like a lion on on our show on our daily

00:18:36.380 talk show and it's this issue of ai preemption in the one big beautiful bill legislation now so here's

00:18:46.380 here's the state of play when the bill was passed out of the house of representatives a provision was put

00:18:52.760 into the bill saying that states were banned from engaging in any ai regulation for some moratorium

00:19:00.600 of years now oftentimes that occurs when you're also doing a degree of federal regulation because

00:19:07.900 what you don't want is to be enacting simultaneously a federal regulatory structure and then 50 different

00:19:14.520 state structures and then sometimes you just don't want the regulation to occur so you impose a

00:19:19.740 moratorium and then do nothing well there's a concern that's what's happening here that people

00:19:25.080 want who wanted to have uh no ai regulation tucked into the bill a moratorium on the states but with no

00:19:34.220 framework for how the federal government would answer major questions about ai and marjorie taylor green

00:19:42.260 came on our program she said that if that provision was not stripped out of the bill she would not vote

00:19:47.820 for the bill that landed big time because it is going to draw a lot of focus into this question

00:19:54.040 and i understand why you wouldn't want a patchwork system we don't have 50 different cell phone

00:20:00.360 regulations we don't have 50 different internets where the louisiana internet is different than the

00:20:05.620 florida internet but on ai she thought that some states would be very aggressive in limiting ai's ability

00:20:14.000 to impact the workforce and she wanted to have them to have the ability to do that is this something

00:20:19.220 that's going to break down on partisan lines republican democrat or are you going to see kind of a

00:20:24.840 corporatized position on this and a more populist position vishborough i think that this is going to

00:20:30.480 fracture actually multiple different ways right there's actually a bunch of questions that are rolled

00:20:35.460 into that right marjorie brings up actually the kind of the the social cost question and the economic

00:20:43.360 question right what do you do when you have x thousand amount of truck drivers or you know long

00:20:50.840 shoremen that are out of a job overnight because ai has taken their jobs right how do we address that

00:20:56.700 even if it's happening in my state how do i address that and if they're like you said if there's no

00:21:00.980 framework there's that aspect then there's the ethics aspect of it too where it's like you know

00:21:06.080 what are what what should we allow the uh the ai to be able to train on and what not to be able to train

00:21:13.400 on right that's also a question um then there's the corporatized question or even actually the national

00:21:19.880 security question as well if we're trying to compete with china right on their ai and they're training

00:21:25.720 their models on data that you know nonce just binging on data and we're over here fretting

00:21:31.820 about whether or not you're allowed to train it on on mickey mouse you know and disney's up in your

00:21:38.560 grill about that right then that then you know you're it's being hampered or is is florida or disney

00:21:45.060 anyone allowed to address that in the first place well let's do that let's get into that question because

00:21:49.880 you know what i think it's really analogous to space in the 90s there was this belief

00:21:55.580 that russia the united states would be in a space arms race and bill clinton really diminished the

00:22:04.800 investment the united states made in space arms because he didn't want to ignite that type of

00:22:11.120 escalatory environment well all that did was retard our growth in space weaponized innovation nobody else

00:22:20.260 stopped it but but our advantage was uh was really collapsed in a in a short term of years now we're

00:22:28.020 a lot smarter about that now we have offensive and defensive r&d in space we're not even sheepish or

00:22:34.640 shy about it and i wonder if that's kind of like what it's going to be with ai where if we've got this

00:22:40.480 advantage because companies like chat gpt or you know xai or andrel or united states based companies that

00:22:49.040 that utilize a lot of ai meta um you know we we don't want to lose that and have a chinese weaponized 0.99

00:22:56.780 system leapfrog us well i mean that's the thing right i we don't want to find out after we you know

00:23:04.440 after the competitor's ai blows us out or does something nasty so you're for no regulation you're

00:23:11.080 for you're for let the let let this puppy run this i mean it is this one is a very difficult one um

00:23:17.260 yes i am for no regulation because

00:23:20.060 it's very hard to find an issue where you and marjorie taylor green aren't aligned so this is

00:23:25.720 this is a this is a rarity we really had to tweeze for this one yeah this is i mean this is where like

00:23:31.020 the there i have a background in tech and i know that any sort of restriction like that is going to

00:23:38.760 retard the development of the tech and just you know put it through crazy bureaucratic process 0.97

00:23:43.700 and you won't be able to develop and develop it and if you really take the china ai threat

00:23:49.540 seriously as i do i take everything china seriously right and so you know in that regard i want my ai to

00:23:57.380 be better than theirs you know on a on that sort of national security basis so i need my guys working

00:24:05.460 in that rnd department on untethered and and bring bringing about like cool stuff that we can

00:24:11.900 keep china at bay with with that being on that but that's on that national security front on the 0.91

00:24:17.800 economic front is where i'm like well wait a minute you can't just replace all my truck drivers

00:24:22.060 and my longshoremen which those are the first one to be those are very vulnerable populations to

00:24:28.020 replacement exactly so that's where you know so it's that's where i'm trying to trying to unwind

00:24:34.420 some of these different lines where it's like on an economic front maybe there should be some

00:24:38.300 kind of regulation but on a on an innovation front i'm i'm not a fan of that right and then on the

00:24:44.360 ethical front as well as also that's also a great question that it's really hard you know like what

00:24:49.460 are what are ai models allowed to be trained on and what not to be trained on right and i don't think

00:24:53.980 that i don't think you're going to be able to regulate around that i think that they are going to become

00:24:58.140 so proficient at devouring source information now and they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna learn

00:25:03.500 ways to acquire source information that and then i'm back to my you know um the marjorie position

00:25:10.580 where it's like ai is going to be a demon if that's the case they're already like i said but with the

00:25:16.080 bear training that they have now they're already scamming they're already blackmailing they're ready

00:25:20.720 to take over the entire crime market in the in america you know and so if that you know if the the more

00:25:27.660 data they have and the more powerful and proficient they they become with those root qualities being

00:25:34.540 you know in that system you're looking at something that's going to be a demon and so then yeah back to

00:25:39.820 then back to the question would you ever vote for like an ai congressman i feel like some of them are

00:25:43.900 just the worst they're like an ai that's 25 years behind that's been trained on like the worst stuff 0.94

00:25:51.280 and are constrained by it i i not an ai congressman but i've always played around with a theory in my

00:25:59.900 head that actually most if not all of the bureaucracy can be replaced by blockchain technology

00:26:05.780 right and it's because you know what is really a bureaucrat doing besides taking a paper on one

00:26:10.860 end and then passing it to the other and you you know with a smart contract yeah could ai like uh

00:26:15.680 evaluate social security disability claims evaluate va claims yeah you're cool with that

00:26:21.280 i'm i i would rather i would rather uh for the bureaucrats yes because you got to remove the the whole

00:26:27.320 problem of the deep state is the human bias involved in it and so you remove removing the accusation that

00:26:34.380 there was some any particular person behind this right and with their own political agenda and just

00:26:40.840 a technical logical agenda defined by x equals you know y plus z that would be a much more uh i think

00:26:50.500 safer system um i'm cool starting with it delivering the mail like if ai can deliver the mail better

00:26:57.580 you know let's start with that before you get to like the va claims and and and the irs um the big

00:27:04.180 foreign policy news of the week was not china it was this war with iran and israel i'm not gonna

00:27:10.020 pretend that we're privy to all the information who are like still working on congressional staffs and in

00:27:15.460 congress are privy too but now it does seem like we can take a moment to note the changing state of

00:27:21.540 play around how politicians in both parties are thinking about and talking about israel when i first

00:27:28.820 got to congress uh you know a pack was obviously a very very strong influence organization and there

00:27:36.200 just wasn't a political incentive or an incentive otherwise to speak an ill word of israel and it was

00:27:43.640 very bipartisan and there were always trips to israel that republicans and democrats would go on

00:27:49.800 together deepen their connection to their own faith to their own sense of history and then the woke left

00:27:57.980 took took off right in a very ugly and dark direction with almost calls to genocide which we oppose and find

00:28:06.860 repugnant and you saw a resentment i think among a lot of young men on the right that israel had been

00:28:15.440 an animating or motivating factor in the united states's excessive entanglement in the middle east

00:28:21.060 which the younger generation resents and i think fairly and rightly true and uh then you've got the

00:28:27.700 boomer coalition the fox news watching boomer coalition and we have some of these people in our

00:28:34.280 friend groups and even in our families and uh the the uh that crowd uh kind of i think still really

00:28:42.540 is responsive to the siren song that this is some sort of uh crusade whenever we are led by

00:28:50.340 netanyahu or some of the more radical elements within his government into these bloody sands of the desert

00:28:58.380 and you know i i i really think this 12-day war is going to go down as a significant moment in that

00:29:07.760 shifting rubik's cube of of israel analysis because president trump created a permission structure

00:29:14.300 to be critical yeah you know when he dropped an f-bomb on israel and iran simultaneously now when he

00:29:23.000 directly criticized netanyahu and israel when he talked about the the offense that israel had committed

00:29:30.380 launching a massive ordinance system as trump was trying to hold this this peace deal together

00:29:36.600 trying to really form it out of clay at the banks of the jordan river right and you know that i think

00:29:43.720 is going to allow more republicans in particular to be honest with our friend and it's not friendship

00:29:52.500 when you can never be honest with the other side it's not friendship when you cannot be critical

00:29:58.880 the the opportunity here i think is to have a stronger more durable more productive relationship

00:30:06.460 with israel by injecting a little more truth into it and that is only made possible because of i think

00:30:12.740 the the wisdom and the great political bravery of donald trump yeah i look this is going to be a

00:30:18.160 historical moment i think it exposed a lot of you know those sentiments that have you know have

00:30:26.480 developed over you know over these last 20 30 years and that's just naturally going to happen and it's

00:30:32.640 all labeled as anti-semitism that's that well that's and some of it is by the way okay i mean

00:30:37.320 you know some of it is explicitly anti-semitic but but like that is that is a component of criticism

00:30:44.160 of netanyahu or or israel it is not the whole pie and there's plenty of just policy disagreement

00:30:51.060 yeah that unfairly gets kind of you know conflated with anti-semitism and by the way that's also part

00:30:57.660 of what's kind of and if you overuse that term you cry wolf too much it starts losing its power

00:31:04.800 when and and you're not able to use it when it actually applies and that's like really the driving

00:31:10.380 force and so right now more than anything what you're seeing is the generational divide show

00:31:17.660 itself right there was a a a sound clip of uh adl head jonathan greenblatt that had gone viral where

00:31:25.460 he explicitly says you know this is not a left or right problem this is a generation problem this is

00:31:32.440 a tiktok problem the young people don't really sympathize or empathize with israel the way previous

00:31:39.920 generations have namely the boomers and you know when you see it on the left it's i believe mainly

00:31:46.200 driven by resent uh because they're colonial they're anti they're white right and so that's

00:31:53.600 yeah just kind of become it becomes a new vestige of the white supremacy yes exactly so that's that so

00:31:59.620 the left is done with with israel on that front right a white colonial project and then on the right

00:32:06.020 i think it's more apathy than it is any kind of resent yeah you know what like i think that there's

00:32:13.180 a real politic like yeah they're our ally they'll lie with the they'll lie to us sometimes we'll lie to

00:32:18.280 them okay right i don't mind that relationship in a certain sense but what i don't want to is like to

00:32:26.720 like deal with it anymore right to like how many how much more of our blood and treasure are we going to

00:32:33.520 have you know spilled and just fill in the the country in the middle east here i don't care what

00:32:39.460 you know whether it's israel or iran or what can we focus on us is that possible right that's why

00:32:45.760 issues like freezing rent and and uh you know state-run grocery stores in the new york city primary play

00:32:54.280 better than trying to accuse zaron mamdani of being anti-israel right in a heavily jewish city like new

00:33:01.040 york well they did try that and it failed well he led into it with moments like this in the debate when

00:33:06.520 he or in an interview where he said he would arrest netanyahu no as mayor new york city would arrest

00:33:13.180 benjamin netanyahu this is a city that our values are in line with international law it's time that

00:33:18.200 our actions are also even though the u.s is not a signature of the icc no it's time that we actually

00:33:22.400 step up and make clear what we are willing to do to showcase the leadership that is sorely missing

00:33:26.580 in the federal administration so vish how does a guy like that get votes from the jewish community

00:33:32.980 in in uh new york well because there's a there's a young jewish community that doesn't like netanyahu

00:33:39.380 that doesn't like that doesn't conflate the the the government of israel correct with their affinity

00:33:44.240 for jewish people or right to them netanyahu is a right-wing kook right and they're against a lot

00:33:52.880 of right-wing you know in his government he's the right-wing guy right or at least the moderate i'm

00:33:57.860 sure there's more to the right of him but that's that's their view of him and you know there's a

00:34:03.020 split down the orthodox jews versus the reform jews and all that it's a diverse religion too and so

00:34:09.180 there's there's different people different sections of this voting for different interests but

00:34:13.420 yes even that split right and so when you split up the jewish vote in new york city

00:34:18.780 right then the the that's where even this block is not able to kind of stop this guy

00:34:24.960 from who would arrest bb and trump seems to have come out of the 12-day war i think with a lot of

00:34:32.440 respect from the you know the foreign policy realism community that this strike didn't draw us in

00:34:40.760 to an extended entanglement in the middle east and at the same time i think you know maybe not mark

00:34:46.280 levin who's breathing in and out of a paper bag heavily but but for a lot of people who consider

00:34:52.220 themselves pro-israel they would say well you know here trump did something good for israel i i don't i

00:34:58.120 don't think he lost really anything from either side there are a few voices uh that are more uh opposed

00:35:04.940 to a strong u.s israel relationship who are a little burned but at the end of the day if trump has four

00:35:11.820 years where we don't get involved or entangled in a foreign war he'll still be able to make the claim

00:35:17.320 he made following his first presidency when he killed solemani trump art of the deal master class

00:35:24.040 yet again he manages to uh get both sides of the conversation to go home feeling like they won

00:35:32.200 something the pro israel side still gets to go home and say you know fordo yeah fordo we blew it up we got

00:35:39.600 at them we set their nuclear capabilities back whatever and then the apathy like i don't want

00:35:45.280 to get involved in the middle east stuff anymore saying hey as long as we're not going to war as

00:35:49.440 long as we're not deploying boots on the ground as long as we're not doing shock and awe airstrikes

00:35:53.620 every day i'm fine with that i think that's what you know he's not getting us into a hot war you know

00:35:59.520 and i think he did it again and just kept both sides happy and both both sides get to go home and

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00:36:55.040 enjoy if you had to compare trump's middle east policy to one recent president it's not all that

00:37:04.000 dissimilar to bill clinton's like bill clinton had a policy in the middle east that was a lot like

00:37:10.160 mowing the grass like we weren't going to move in and become your landscape designer but if the weeds got

00:37:16.900 too tall here or there i think he i think he bombed afghanistan after the as the lewinski thing was going on

00:37:23.100 but they were getting a little feisty so he dropped some bombs but we never really stayed we we would

00:37:27.300 drop some bombs we would fly home everything was kind of over the horizon we didn't get too involved

00:37:32.580 we didn't get too nosy we didn't get too judgy with anybody in their cultures or their human rights

00:37:37.760 and we saw it as an economic transaction which it was a very different day economically because in

00:37:44.060 those clinton years we were so much more reliant on oil that was coming out of the gulf than we are now

00:37:48.260 that now that trump increased production but uh there are similarities that i see with the trump

00:37:54.140 middle east policy and the clinton middle east policy and in between we had these epic failures

00:37:59.920 of bush obama biden where biden was enriching them obama was doubling down on the afghanistan war

00:38:07.080 bush was trying to create a jefferson jeffersonian democracy out of every sand dude um i i look and

00:38:14.260 i think obviously trump is still you know when you want to call him a republican or democrat or

00:38:21.200 whatever he's still like a like a new york guy you know close with the clintons even you know at the

00:38:26.460 time coming up there there in 90s we all remember the 90s as being like a great prosperous time for

00:38:32.900 america people still yearn for it to this day in nostalgia um yeah i think that that there is a

00:38:39.380 similarity because i think that that's a policy that's probably palatable for most of the american

00:38:44.920 electorate well it's it's normative and it is realistic yeah and like clinton for all of his

00:38:50.400 flaws was not fanciful yeah he was not unrealistic he was not trying to like exceed the bounds of the

00:38:57.660 possible that's how he was able to do the deals that that he did with newt gingrich on a policy run i

00:39:03.220 know i know what the comments are going to be on this pod everyone's going to be like matt gates is

00:39:06.720 defending bill clinton they're both the worst people on the planet earth but just on policy

00:39:10.820 grounds on on the middle east you know i i think that you would not compare trump more to any other

00:39:18.880 recent president i mean even george hw bush had us boots on the ground involved in repelling saddam from

00:39:27.960 kuwait that's right and so i think that i like like you said normative realistic i this is what the

00:39:36.460 american people want anyway and there's so much of our generation does it play out again in the 0.97

00:39:40.960 republican primary in for president like this fight isn't over oh no no no no no okay no this is i mean

00:39:48.520 definitely okay i get the same sense oh no no but they'll be like a nicky haley john bolton

00:39:54.500 liz cheney this is foreign policy this is going to be a blistering question right because there's

00:40:02.400 going to be a full court press on everything that was said over the the 12-day war is not just between

00:40:10.940 israel and iran here there there there's a couple of factions that went at it and they both of which

00:40:17.600 you were one of course i was yes and i'm i'm proud to have stood where i stood and everyone's gathered

00:40:24.780 there's gathering screenshots making lists of each other and you know who said what because those

00:40:31.500 things are going to be deployed in a primary i don't know on for who i don't know for what for

00:40:36.840 which side right but this is something where people it's going to be about who do we listen to oh do you

00:40:44.120 want that guy in power next to the guy who's running this is what he said during the 12-day war right

00:40:50.000 this is that this is everything in politics is a time bomb it's not about what what happens

00:40:55.900 immediately sure there's some effect there but it's about how it comes back and haunts you over

00:41:01.000 time and so that is where it's this is all going to come rear its ugly head during the 28 primary

00:41:07.840 we know vice president vance is a listener of the podcast we appreciate him a great deal for that and

00:41:14.800 we think very highly of him i actually think jd vance comes out of the 12-day war even stronger oh but

00:41:22.360 you know who's noticed that vance tried to come out of the 12-day war stronger mark levin yes mark

00:41:29.900 levin took a shot didn't he took a little shot when the when the story came out that vance you know had

00:41:36.060 tried to convince trump last second not to do it levin goes and points it out hey vance what's up with

00:41:42.300 this signal not look not noise and what's the signal the signal is they're going to the neocon side

00:41:49.640 is going to try to paint vance uh you know as some uh opposite you know figure within the trump

00:41:58.600 administration they will call him an anti-semite they are gonna die bro do not they will do it

00:42:05.080 they will do and it's so far from the truth don't they're but that's so far from the truth right but

00:42:10.380 remember how this how the 12-day war played out what criticisms were levied what actions were taken

00:42:15.380 and what they were labeled right and so this turning a mountain mountain out of a molehill

00:42:21.520 they're gonna take that that little thing where he and what they're gonna say is he leaked that

00:42:26.660 he leaked that to give himself cover for a time like this to say oh yeah i was against the war the whole

00:42:34.320 time right and so then they're gonna be like yeah he did that because he still wants to keep the

00:42:39.600 anti-semite vote on his side right the woke right vote i'm telling you they're gonna do it

00:42:45.880 they're gonna do it so when you say they i want to think for a moment who will be like the neocon

00:42:52.480 champion rising in in 2028 not even hard this is i i know the answer this is not even going to be

00:42:58.940 the answer crossover it's the answer is one two three ron de santis right the crossover between

00:43:05.960 the people who showed their themselves during the 12-day war and who showed themselves through the

00:43:12.760 great influencer battles of 2023 2024 if you laid the lists on top of each other they are practically

00:43:20.700 identical so that it's going to be ron de santis who's going to be deploying these attacks so we

00:43:27.400 could imagine a 2028 presidential contest where you've got like the forum policy realism folks jd vance

00:43:34.340 who we like a great deal marco rubio who we like a great deal and then there's going to be the neocon

00:43:39.740 kind of nicky haley lane right and you think that that de santis goes right into that that will be a

00:43:44.800 very well resourced lane oh yeah there will be a lot of of money for those who are willing to repeat

00:43:51.680 the talking points uh that you know peace through strength means invade everywhere and invite everyone

00:43:59.100 yes no that's it that's exactly what's gonna that's gonna be the lane like you said it's well

00:44:03.280 funded and you know that's where and it would be very interesting who else if if if for whatever

00:44:09.740 reason de santis doesn't run what figures in the republican party do you think are like yearning to

00:44:14.540 occupy that lane uh i mean i don't think nikki haley has a shot anymore but she might be the top pick 1.00

00:44:21.820 after that um i think she does run again you think she does run again oh yeah i think running for

00:44:28.440 president is is an itch that doesn't go away with one scratch oh well especially for a gal like nikki 1.00

00:44:33.420 and nikki nikki would be the top one on that okay um i think that that there is uh some tom cotton

00:44:43.380 oh my god tom cotton wants to be president oh he'll do it in a heartbeat and he he i i think would

00:44:49.660 be a strong presenter from a debate standpoint for that viewpoint yeah but he's not likable so i mean

00:44:58.000 i'm you know yes you've never met tom cotton you don't know how likable he is perfectly likable

00:45:02.180 guy listen i get what i get through the screen and i and he doesn't give you want to have a beer

00:45:08.400 together vibes the way jd vance no no way no way he's just not likable so i'm not i'm not too worried

00:45:14.100 about him in that regard um and i just don't think he's put in the work to try to appeal to the new

00:45:20.720 media environment either so he's not practiced in that and so i don't think he'll be able to

00:45:26.080 go toe to toe with advance or even even desantis is a little better on with his media game on in that

00:45:33.680 regard you know you hate to see him you hate to see it but like he went viral for all the wrong

00:45:39.080 reasons in 23 and 24 like the high heels and the white boots and whatever you know and all that but

00:45:44.900 um he still tries you see him putting out messaging cotton doesn't really do that so and then vance

00:45:50.360 will blow out both of them so on that on that front so i'm not worried about that president's

00:45:56.200 going to get his bill in the coming weeks we've had senators on our program this week talking about

00:46:01.620 their concerns the fact that they haven't gotten there yet but we're going to be doing this podcast

00:46:06.200 in the coming weeks breaking down what out of this bill is going to emerge to deliver those wins you

00:46:12.700 were talking about at the beginning of this discussion you say look look if you're going

00:46:16.400 to motivate these low propensity voters you have to you have to show them the money you have to show

00:46:20.280 them the policy wins uh what in here do you really think people are going to pull out and be able to

00:46:28.920 cut through the noise with with the electorate because it's a lot of border stuff i think the no tax on

00:46:36.000 tips is real and i think that could actually be an interesting little little diamond

00:46:42.220 for people to come out and say you feel that you feel that right you know a lot of this stuff man

00:46:47.120 infrastructure five years down the road uh a project in somebody's district they want to run on that

00:46:53.760 you know they're at a they're at a ribbon cutting but nothing's really happening no tax on tips

00:46:58.320 republicans will be able to run on let me say they did it let me ask you this do you think no

00:47:03.760 tackling overtime makes it yeah okay you got a real winner there yes tips there's a certain part of the

00:47:10.540 economy obviously very populated very a lot of normies that's going to be huge and yes that's

00:47:16.700 something you run on the no tax on overtimes that is going to be critical critical for those young

00:47:23.460 working class white men that we've been pining for in the midwest when the blue call out of the blue

00:47:29.580 color yes of hispanic men black men all everybody everybody i mean everybody yes but like there's there

00:47:35.820 is a certain like you know there's the especially it's the young men with no families who can work

00:47:40.660 overtime yeah if you're if you're in your 40s or 50s and you got a wife and kid at home because your

00:47:46.300 generation could like afford those things yeah that's what you're doing but if you're some you

00:47:51.920 know 26 year old who hasn't been able to get a down payment and have a house you haven't met your

00:47:57.540 person yet to start a family well then maybe you're actually picking up those over time yes exactly so

00:48:02.540 the and and so i think that that's going to be critical uh the the i would be running all over

00:48:09.460 the country with the no tax on overtimes no tax on tips but the number one thing we should never lose

00:48:16.240 sight this is actually a great mass deportations bill and i think that that gets lost throughout

00:48:21.420 everything the funding for ice uh and then also i think that i'm the so you you actually think you can

00:48:28.940 you can point to an increased frequency in the deportations yes and say this bill is why you're

00:48:36.160 seeing this number like the you know like the covid counter yeah during during 2020 we should have

00:48:42.080 something like that and the faster those numbers go up i'm telling you that is going to that's going

00:48:47.440 to push the vote oh yeah that and that's just an easy illustrative way the way thomas massey walks around

00:48:52.940 with the debt clock counter uh on his on his chest if we had something like that where it's going up

00:49:00.160 non-stop that is the kind of thing that that's going to get that's going to get uh low propensity

00:49:05.240 voters uh out we shall see uh thank you as always for joining me and make sure to always tune into the

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - June 26, 2025

The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz ｜ US-Israeli Friendship, Regulating AI, & NYC Mayoral Primary

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