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00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and dan ball

00:00:11.340 welcome back to the anchorman program i'm matt gates host the matt gates show here on one

00:00:21.160 american news you can catch us nine o'clock eastern six o'clock pacific and i am joined

00:00:26.500 by some incredible guests one of our anchors here at one american news she hosts the two o'clock

00:00:33.020 eastern and the four o'clock eastern program stella escobito stella thank you for helping us

00:00:38.180 to continue to break the gender barrier here on anchorman i love it we were talking right before

00:00:42.700 this i'm like who just wants to hear like men speak like you need the women on your show so this

00:00:47.760 is awesome but i love both of you so no offense well based on our listenership last program fewer

00:00:55.260 people wanted to hear just us but i am joined as always by my on again off again employee one of

00:01:01.560 the producers on the matt gates show the founding producer of steve bannon's war room vish burra

00:01:07.920 vish thanks for being here always always glad to be here with you matt and stella it's nice to be here

00:01:13.080 with you too i i love how you're embracing the whole san diego thing like look at that color look at look

00:01:18.260 at it they told me when in rome you let you look amazing i don't see color another man who doesn't

00:01:24.020 is my good friend chris dorworth who is piped in from washington dc where he's probably aware of

00:01:30.780 all the crazy goings on there chris thank you for joining me on anchorman i think this is your

00:01:35.520 anchorman debut this is my first time thanks for having me matt all right so first thing i want to

00:01:40.600 discuss and and here's kind of my theme for the show what gives first what gives first okay so harvard

00:01:47.760 university right now uh is having to fill like a 2.2 billion dollar hole because the federal

00:01:54.640 government was heavily invested in everything they were doing there at harvard and now with those

00:02:01.140 funds pulled back uh you're seeing harvard potentially having to go out for a note get a loan

00:02:07.400 harvard is now having to face uh the executive order from trump that prohibits a bunch of their

00:02:14.240 dei activities but they get all this money uh from the federal government that is in jeopardy

00:02:19.920 so i'm going to start ladies first i'm going to start with you stella what gives first harvard's

00:02:24.900 need for money or their need for dei their need for dei they'll take the money you think no no actually

00:02:31.300 they won't take the money oh they will latch on to dei they will they made it clear okay they made

00:02:37.340 it clear that they want to continue to push their radical leftist agenda and continue to be racist

00:02:43.020 literally they had harvard i don't know if you guys saw they had segregated graduations and the

00:02:50.100 only people who didn't have their graduations were jews and whites wait wait paint the picture of the

00:02:58.140 harvard segregated graduation so they had latinx graduation i've never met a latinx person i would

00:03:04.640 have gone to the harvard graduation just to meet my first latinx yeah by the way i mean i i have an

00:03:11.020 actual latinx but that was just somebody i hated so listen i was part of mainstream media when this

00:03:18.700 whole latinx thing happened and uh you know my husband is mexican himself my sister-in-law's you

00:03:25.440 know they're mexican and i asked i said what what is latinx you guys what i've never heard of it

00:03:31.720 nobody knew what it was no not no latinos could tell me what latinx was but wait they had a graduation

00:03:39.280 where like they were segregated down to that level yeah glatt next and then they had indigenous people

00:03:45.440 then they had uh graduation for like you know the disabled people but i looked into it what if you

00:03:52.200 were like indigenous and disabled could you do it twice you could go both i don't know i don't know

00:03:56.120 the details but my point is my point is is that harvard has doubled down and they are going to continue

00:04:02.940 to go woke and i mean you saw what the president said on true social he was like what harvard uh

00:04:08.140 they they hired de blasio they hired um from chicago what's her name laurie lightfoot

00:04:14.640 oh my god this it's just a cesspool of just dei crazy wokeness and they're doubling down on it

00:04:22.700 and they'll pay the price they'll pay the price they'll pay the price they have a lot of money in

00:04:26.540 endowment they have a lot of you know i'm sure they get a lot of money from oil rich countries in

00:04:31.720 china um maybe they'll uh survive in that way chris dorworth are they taking the money

00:04:38.060 i think sooner i think sooner or later they're going to take the money because they're sitting

00:04:42.960 on 53 billion dollars in their endowment right now which is just a giant hedge fund today president

00:04:48.360 trump announced via twitter which you had to imagine shot through harvard pretty brutally but they

00:04:52.940 were they were going to take start taking steps to get rid of that and i mean 53 billion dollars

00:04:57.200 of tax-exempt money is a pretty rare thing what you really have to grasp is how stupid the things

00:05:02.300 they're doing are like the doj and the education department sent them a letter saying just stop

00:05:07.240 being racist just treat people based on merit and you can have everything you want and and they were

00:05:12.180 like nope not going to do that not going to do that and as she pointed out i mean you know they hired

00:05:15.520 like the two worst modern mayors the people who like led chicago to becoming like the murder capital

00:05:20.220 of america and and the guy who literally ruined the city of new york city they're like this is

00:05:24.420 exactly what the best and brightest of tomorrow should be listening to i mean it's just it's

00:05:28.220 just painfully stupid sooner or later though the dollars will make sense because i just i can't

00:05:33.060 imagine they're going to go down this road it's going to go poorly and if you remember like when i

00:05:36.840 was a kid harvard was like something to aspire to now it's a punchline and that is that's got to be

00:05:41.480 a brutal experience for people who went there they're like seventh generation harvard it's been around

00:05:45.560 for 500 years that just proved that you could spend 500 years doing great things and like be an idiot

00:05:50.620 for a couple years and here we are and so i i think sooner or later they're going to buckle for the

00:05:54.260 money and i i actually agree with chris on this point because it's not just the money it's the

00:06:00.120 prestige of taking that money right the fact that they are taking money from the federal government

00:06:05.720 and utilizes it utilizing it means more than the dollars themselves it's harvard as the trusted

00:06:12.520 custodian as to how those funds can shape our vision of the future and our interaction with

00:06:19.600 technology and our sense of justice and our methods of transportation vish what do you think the money

00:06:26.080 or the dei i actually think that they're going to try to have their cake and eat it too and i think

00:06:33.020 what they're going to do is they're going to make the move by saying you know we'll comply we'll you know

00:06:38.580 don't stop the grants and then just house the dei stuff under a new department new name new you know

00:06:45.380 new something because ultimately these people do not respect donald trump they don't respect his voters

00:06:51.360 and they actually i think that they think that they could get over on the whole thing because they

00:06:56.560 think they're smarter than all exactly right they are smart enough to have both huh yes i think that

00:07:01.580 that is the ivory tower elitist mentality that drives them and that got them into the mess in the first

00:07:07.200 place and they're going they have no choice but to rely on that to get out of it and so i think that

00:07:13.360 they are going to try to pull a move by saying we're going to comply with the orders don't stop the money

00:07:18.840 faucet send us the cash we're getting rid of the dei programs right now but that is not the true measure

00:07:25.480 the true measure is how many of the administrators that they actually end up firing because the dei is now

00:07:33.800 out of the building and i'm going to tell you right now i don't think any of that's going to happen

00:07:37.700 there are not going to be any firings they need the money to fund the administrators in the first place

00:07:43.380 right and then they're not there they don't want to go back we don't want to kill the uh elitist

00:07:49.080 pipeline of talent that we've been creating here in the first place so we're going to house this

00:07:54.140 under something else some other new name we're going to take that money and we're just going to keep

00:07:58.520 feeding our our machine our our monster i i kind of i kind of like what you're saying here because i

00:08:03.780 could see that happening as well uh you see corporations are doing that now yes they're

00:08:08.700 just rebranding it in a different way but how are they rebranding like what are the names i don't

00:08:13.680 know how should we find them well well i mean all you have to i think that what you got to do look

00:08:19.580 it's you got to go look at what these new names are right i haven't i'm now i've there have been

00:08:26.020 some reports that this is happening i haven't seen what those new names are but they shouldn't

00:08:31.800 be hard to find there's always going to be some highfalutin language or actually not even high

00:08:37.240 falutin but they haven't given up the what stella's point is is they haven't given up on the true goal

00:08:42.220 of you know reshaping how we think about race gender religion and those things no no no i don't

00:08:49.080 think i'm sorry i don't think they're ever going to do that and by the way if you if you follow x if

00:08:54.160 you're on social media about once every other day now there's some example of some university

00:08:58.520 president i think that the other day there was a guy in brevard county florida at florida technical

00:09:02.820 you know he got up and like gave a little speech and said hey don't worry we're just we're just

00:09:06.920 working he met with his diversity cabinet is what it was called and said we're going to find a work

00:09:11.760 around on this so the idea that harvard is not going to try to do that is is laughable they're

00:09:16.180 absolutely going to do that but the point is i mean i think it's kind of one of those situations

00:09:20.320 where once they revoke the tax status it's going to be tough to get that back you know and i guess

00:09:25.040 maybe in theory the next administration could come in and some harvard grads there they could

00:09:28.620 reinstate it but i mean i think there's going to be a lot of scrutiny on that so i i think the damage

00:09:33.140 will be done quickly and it will be like the titanic hitting the iceberg and slowly sinking and of

00:09:37.760 course they can tap into that 53 billion dollars of endowment if they want to i mean they they have

00:09:41.640 the money to fix this problem i just don't think they have the will or courage to do so

00:09:45.360 go it so well i was also going to talk about like the bigger picture and all of this a lot of the

00:09:51.860 students though too are international students at harvard just our universities okay and the

00:09:58.980 professors as well and you look at the bigger picture of the federal funding that they get with

00:10:03.860 all this research stuff that they do who knows where this information is going is it going to china

00:10:10.780 i mean where is this information going they're using our tax dollars against us we've globalized

00:10:17.580 higher education in uh in the united states we've just like everything else just because like our

00:10:22.680 elections have become globalized our economy has become globalized our tech has become globalized

00:10:27.140 yeah even our higher ed institutions have become global well that's but that's because and here's

00:10:32.060 the other thing what's devious about the the internationalization the globalization of that

00:10:36.460 it's not because there's some tremendous love from from harvard to these international kids the real

00:10:42.580 reason they want them there is because they pay full tuition not state tuition not scholarship nothing

00:10:48.640 they pay the full dime to go to these uh to go to these universities and they can charge these foreign

00:10:54.220 students the full price and that by the way by the way with with the educational product that they're

00:10:58.940 putting out maybe that's our grift on the world is we're selling you our overpriced crappy higher ed

00:11:05.740 product like chris i think about the generations of floridians that benefited off of the florida

00:11:11.040 prepaid program and the deal was you could pay you could pay along the way lock in the price of higher

00:11:17.780 education when your kids were born and that way by the time they were old enough to go to college

00:11:22.620 you you'd obtain this great value by locking in a low price but you you think about parents in florida now

00:11:29.060 or anywhere where there's a prepaid program is it really even a good deal to lock your uh your

00:11:35.720 children into the university system that exists today like how far are we from apple google meta

00:11:45.200 andrel um you know the major uh corporate and technology platforms of our time not just designing

00:11:53.760 their own concierge higher ed system that you can finance and plug into and then measure real value out

00:12:00.980 listen i'm a mother of two and my kids are young my oldest is eight years old but i i you know i have

00:12:07.080 friends whose kids are in high school either getting ready for college um or they are in college right now

00:12:13.460 and the conversations that are you know happening behind the scenes are like do where does my child

00:12:18.360 go to school and what school do they go to and when i send them there is it even worth it am i gonna

00:12:24.660 am i gonna have a child that comes back that is completely brainwashed with all of this dei we have

00:12:31.020 a really big big problem when it comes to our universities i came to this country as a refugee

00:12:36.600 and the goal always was um go to school get your education and then you can go out there you can get a

00:12:45.180 successful job i don't know if that's the case anymore you guys it really i mean with ai taking over

00:12:51.120 my little one i mean she goes online and she can edit a video in like five seconds i'm like how did

00:12:57.160 you do that i should hire you yeah i oh i'm convinced i'm totally replaceable by ai yeah every

00:13:02.700 almost anything i do could be replaced by ai chris do you think that higher ed as a prospect is still

00:13:07.880 a value proposition going forward or is this um sense of disorientation that stella just described

00:13:16.520 parents feeling gonna gonna create a lot more fragmentation in that market

00:13:20.460 well i mean people we're a judgmental society you know and college is one of the things if you

00:13:26.120 have it it's sort of a checkbox there was a great scene in the tulsa king where uh where he said

00:13:30.780 basically he was saying to somebody else you should go to college for one reason it just shows your

00:13:34.800 potential employer that you could take basically 40 classes in a college setting 10 in the same subject

00:13:40.100 and like maybe 10 or 15 in general education that's more or less the format for all of college just

00:13:45.540 this last week a palantir i said you know we think that college is sort of unnecessary

00:13:49.600 if you're the best and brightest if you're the kind of person that maybe 10 years ago would have

00:13:53.160 applied to harvard uh and then gone there racked up three hundred thousand dollars in debt and then

00:13:57.340 you know gone on and said just come work for us because the job you're going to want when you get

00:14:00.760 out of harvard is a job of palantir i think that is sort of you know that that is certainly the

00:14:05.020 beginning of something and i highly doubt it's the last of it uh but i i listen i think i'm 48 years

00:14:10.160 old i think in my life college is going to be a you know it's always going to be important i don't think

00:14:15.040 we're going to get away from that but i do think there's going to be alternative means of doing it

00:14:18.300 and you know harvard has always kind of been a grift in that regard i'm if i'm not mistaken

00:14:21.580 i think they have like the largest law school in the country so i mean they are you know minting

00:14:25.940 lawyers but i mean they're making money for each and every one of those and they're just

00:14:28.880 you know processing it out there is whether whether or not people make a decision and i go there

00:14:33.880 has a lot to do with the fact that you uh you know if you have a prospects and a good job if you're

00:14:38.900 a tremendous coder if you could do these things college becomes much less necessary but you know

00:14:43.000 oftentimes i think people are like i'm just going to go do a startup and be like bill gates or mark

00:14:47.080 zuckerberg as well you know for every one of those there's a whole bunch of folks that really wish

00:14:50.600 they would have finished so i don't think we're quite done with college i just think the system's

00:14:54.120 so broken and stupid it's really really expensive i think that that credentialization that that chris

00:14:59.680 just described is a fading element yeah so fish i'll give you the last word and then we'll go to the

00:15:03.760 next so so it's the whole problem here we're talking about is credentialism in the first place

00:15:08.620 and by the way these things that you're talking about like oh is apple going to build like its own

00:15:13.540 universal it's actually already been built there are uh places like coursera you can go to uh udemy

00:15:20.460 is another platform that's basically you know serves up content that is uh you know lesson lessons with

00:15:28.800 lessons plans and everything in between and actually those lessons are taught by the number one people in

00:15:36.100 their space right the the the logic or the paradigm has always been that if you're the best in the in

00:15:43.160 the subject you go and do the thing if you're the middle tier in the subject you're the marketer or

00:15:49.080 maybe the politician but if you graduate in the bottom third don't take it personally if you graduate in

00:15:55.760 the bottom third of that subject you go and teach the subject that has been the paradigm right and so

00:16:02.360 now with platforms like udemy and coursera you could actually have the number one person in that

00:16:08.460 subject area go and make a video teaching that that same subject matter to the people and you can

00:16:14.760 actually boutique structure those lessons plans if you're homeschooling you decide i'm not going to

00:16:20.820 send my kid to college you structure lessons based on these these things that are available and the

00:16:25.840 capability that emerges out of that is the antidote to the false credentialism in my view all right i just

00:16:31.140 add some one more thing even when i went to journalism school okay i went to usc for broadcast

00:16:35.140 journalism and when you got out of school you're supposed to pay your dues you go to a small market

00:16:39.820 and then when i was looking for a job and i wanted to come back home to la it was one of those things

00:16:44.260 i would look on kabc or whatever and it's a you know five years in this market and then you need

00:16:50.080 five another five years in this market nowadays i'm looking at these young people they come straight out

00:16:55.280 of school first of all they can't even get people into these newsrooms anymore like the small market

00:17:00.640 newsrooms because first of all they're coming they're coming out of school their technology the

00:17:07.020 way they use you know the way they edit the way they write the way they do things is way different

00:17:11.240 than the way we used to do it and better and much better and so i sit back and i go man

00:17:16.600 go ahead yeah so basically you know uh it's just it's a whole different world we're living in

00:17:24.440 yeah and i i think that there's there's great possibility in it um but but i think we have

00:17:30.420 to get through the inefficiencies that are presented with the false credentialism okay so this uh this next

00:17:36.220 topic that i'm dying to chat about we saw internet videos go viral of these chinese manufacturers

00:17:44.680 and not selling fake hermes or dolce and gabbana but they are the actual manufacturers of these

00:17:52.700 multi-thousand-dollar pieces of accessories and they are selling them right before the brand

00:18:00.100 goes on like i guess the h for hermes or the dg for dolce and gabbana and i want to play uh what we've

00:18:08.260 seen from that for our viewers and then have have everybody react to the dynamic and and that's

00:18:14.660 going on so go ahead and play that side i will tell you 30 luxury brands some of their product

00:18:20.320 all made in china ralph lawrence armani nike dior lululemon apple michael kors coach kevin

00:18:28.340 claim product the lane swarovski adidas the north face remover levi's february fasage chanel

00:18:36.300 kadia ferragamo timberland eve st lawrence victoria secret kuma uniqlo disney max mara

00:18:44.060 eventually the producing cost is only one tenth of its price

00:18:48.360 and so they're they're using that as a platform to go and sell these things your take stella so

00:18:54.780 it's funny that you bring this up because my feed on social media is full of these videos and my mom

00:19:01.000 calls me and she's like did you see the i mean they are putting out these videos like crazy i mean

00:19:06.240 this is this is intentional by china obviously is there big adoption with like american white women

00:19:11.020 to go and buy these luxury brands so my mom she's like oh my goodness have i was all of my stuff made

00:19:18.400 in china and i gotta be honest with you i don't believe that the hermes bag i really don't you can

00:19:24.520 tell the quality um the louis vuitton stuff i mean you've seen it like on the streets of new york and

00:19:29.740 stuff like that like oh i've seen you were you you actually took my punchline there i was gonna i was

00:19:34.920 gonna say none of the there's nothing that i've seen there so far that i haven't seen on a street

00:19:39.020 corner on canal street in men in chinatown but i bought one of those like one of those purses from

00:19:45.640 the canal just one just yes yes and it's it's not even close you guys it's not i don't believe

00:19:50.760 i think this is china's way of attacking our brands attacking us this is information unrestricted

00:19:58.760 warfare that's what i think this is and going like hey people everything you guys have been

00:20:04.960 buying from your hundred dollar lululemon pans to your thousand dollar purses comes from china

00:20:10.020 but that's not verified i mean we're okay so you're you're actually believing this is a deep fake

00:20:16.500 i i well i don't well the definition well yeah okay not yeah but this is this is a scheme i think

00:20:22.880 this is china all right vish are you are you going along with that uh i well i actually i think

00:20:28.320 stella is right about that this being a form of information warfare but i think it's information

00:20:34.920 warfare because they are getting desperate in china to kind of turn off this trade war this tariff war

00:20:42.240 and what they and i think that what they're trying to do is basically tell the american public

00:20:48.960 especially the women who love a lot of these products that hey like you can come buy direct

00:20:54.900 from us and you could save money you don't have to go and pay these people thousands of dollars and

00:21:00.400 whatnot you come you could come buy direct from us look it looks the same and everything everything and

00:21:05.480 i think it's a way to fly to china and come get a direct no they just go on their website you know

00:21:10.080 a timu version but don't you have to pay the tariff taxes then well that i think that they are going to

00:21:15.500 find a way to try to try to get these products into the how do those bags get from uh get to canal

00:21:21.680 street in in new york it's the same way right like there's there is a crate somewhere uh or a shipping

00:21:28.700 container that's on a boat hitting the port in in new jersey that is unaccounted for filled with this

00:21:35.620 stuff that gets that gets off the boat and finds its way to canal street so but stella says that's not

00:21:40.840 the same stuff and so so so what i believe i i i am sensing a different motivation here i think that

00:21:48.460 growth has slowed in china substantially uh the working conditions there have gotten very bad we've

00:21:55.860 seen riots protests at a lot of these factories and the workers have had enough and they've seen

00:22:02.120 enough of capitalism in what they're able to access in the information space and they're out there

00:22:08.280 selling and what's what's actually giving here is the corporatized ccp control over the labor force

00:22:16.880 and and what is pushing through that is an entrepreneurial spirit to have a side hustle

00:22:22.760 interesting okay i i think that there is some part of that that is true but my theory my thing is that

00:22:31.800 china is not going to let out anything especially in the information space that they don't approve of

00:22:38.380 that's i agree with you you know so they so like china wants this information out they want these

00:22:44.540 videos going viral on tiktok they want to i it's it's a form of demoralization that i think that they

00:22:51.880 want to try and take place like listen you're getting is it a targeted strike on our elites then

00:22:55.920 yeah it is my mom i mean like you know she's an immigrant to this country and she's on social

00:23:01.480 media and she's calling me and she's like is all my stuff fake is all my stuff from china but do you

00:23:06.400 think that they can build a an apprehension or a concern within this country yeah i think people

00:23:11.940 it's like oh no yeah no no i am not going to get my timberlands no but but it is working because

00:23:17.100 um you know we you know we hear stories about like hey your pants that you're buying let's say lululemon

00:23:24.160 or whatever have chemicals in there or whatever it's building this apprehension to people being

00:23:29.100 like okay so where am i getting my where am i getting my stuff from is this is this really real

00:23:34.880 like why am i paying why am i paying so much money for this by the way there was an article that came

00:23:39.880 out um i don't remember if it was like the new yorker or something like that this was like

00:23:43.160 a couple years ago there's this like a whole community of like wealthy influential women in new

00:23:50.540 york who compete who can have the best fake hermes not because they can't go out and buy it it's because

00:23:58.540 like but why spend that much money if i can get a really good one for five hundred dollars like

00:24:03.100 winning money in a casino is better than earning literally it's it's it's a thing that is going on

00:24:08.500 in communities yeah we needed this perspective oh yeah well now a lot of my friends from you know

00:24:14.540 out of town out of state or overseas they come when they visit me in new york they're like take me to

00:24:20.840 canal street i'm like really why it was like oh i want to go get one of those fake bags because

00:24:25.400 where i'm from they're unlikely to be able to tell the difference right and so i think that there's

00:24:32.040 definitely places alabama i mean well well don't don't you're you're you're from that region i love

00:24:38.400 those are our people but but but but i i do think it is a demoralization thing because i think

00:24:44.700 what they are trying to do is basically say look america and women who buy these products mostly but

00:24:51.200 you know all of you i listen i got my tiffany sneakers on right now no matter what whether you're

00:24:57.640 paying a hundred bucks for it directly from china or a thousand dollars for it in america with the brand

00:25:04.440 slapped on it it is made in china and it will remain that way right that's what i think that

00:25:10.660 they are trying to meme so end the trade wars because it's not moving from here period that's

00:25:17.040 what i think the message is and and and and all right chris chris dorworth back with us here

00:25:22.220 what do you make of these uh these desires to push out these videos with these workers selling the

00:25:29.800 designer stuff just without some of the key branding on it stella and vish say that is straight

00:25:35.420 up ccp information warfare that the chinese communist party is doing to get our elites to beg

00:25:41.660 to get rid of the tariffs my belief it is is that to some degree it is the entrepreneurial spirit of

00:25:48.000 some of these folks busting through the corporatized control where do you fall on it well i mean i'm more

00:25:54.280 inclined to agree with them this is a big scandal in a lot of ways because you know first of all think

00:25:59.080 about the industry you're talking about it's 300 to 350 billion dollars a year as of 2022 2023 that's

00:26:04.960 a lot of money and what these videos are saying like everyone knows if you go to certain parts

00:26:09.040 of new york city you can buy knockoff handbags and knockoff shoes that's that's no secret this is

00:26:13.400 different what they're saying is that we actually have the same oems the same equipment manufacturers

00:26:18.880 that are building these bags for for uh for you know air maze or or gucci and and the exact same

00:26:25.380 thing and they just take it they ship it right over to france that one of the videos actually

00:26:29.020 made fun of like oh it's so fancy in europe all they do is put the label on there and i mean my

00:26:33.040 question is this it's a big deal this is right and why have none of them denied it why why have

00:26:38.380 gucci why has everybody come out and said like that is not true the reason they haven't done it is because

00:26:42.340 it probably is true so i think it's sort of a it's almost like a whistleblower on behalf of the folks

00:26:47.100 there because you look on instagram you see these influencers they try to promote this lifestyle

00:26:51.220 i mean why does one bag cost 36 000 and the other bag cost 36 dollars you know it's because of this idea

00:26:57.080 of that it's exclusive that it's something special and the reality is like now we know like listen it's

00:27:01.700 the same materials and it just it's it's there so i think it's a big deal and i'm just highly

00:27:06.400 fascinated by the fact that not one person from these major chains has come out so i you know in

00:27:11.300 preparation for the show because i knew this was going to be a topic i went online i said you know i

00:27:15.040 think you know what you know what what do these people think is going to happen if this takes place

00:27:19.680 and i mean the crazy thing is like they say like many experts say that this is not accurate

00:27:24.960 well if an expert can't tell how the hell can anybody else i mean like if a guy who's a or a

00:27:30.340 woman who's an expert in handbags or expert in these things cannot look at these and say like that is

00:27:35.020 conclusively not a birkin bag how can anybody on the street and again is a label from airbase really

00:27:40.820 worth 34 600 i mean i almost think there's going to be like a counter-cultural thing here like

00:27:46.040 the prestigious good will be the one that is the guy that bought the airbase bag for his lady for

00:27:50.300 you know 1400 versus the person who paid 34 600 more for a label but i think i think it's a big

00:27:56.540 deal and i think the fact that no one has addressed it tells me an awful lot but we're talking about

00:28:00.760 leather though like hermese is like real leather like what you're getting from china is not real

00:28:06.540 leather so are you sure that's not what again i mean what these videos say and again i'm right these

00:28:12.400 are tiktok videos and you know i'm not going to swear you know i'm not going to bet my life on that

00:28:15.920 right what the guy is saying is that we literally go buy source the same leather and we make these

00:28:20.760 bags like this is an actual airbase bag that would be shipped that's sowing doubt in people's minds

00:28:25.740 tell us not buying it but so but no but i will tell you this this was last year so there's a christian

00:28:30.540 dior bag have you seen the christian dior bags they're like big like this and they have like christian

00:28:34.460 christian dior all over it says christian dior on it so there was a video that went viral several of

00:28:38.980 them saying that was another one from china saying that um it cost them 57 to make and christian

00:28:45.400 dior sells them for like 3500 and so there were like all these videos going on online being like

00:28:51.780 you may have a christian dior bag from the christian dior store that cost them 57 to make

00:28:57.100 so this this was a conversation that was but see vish is the one person in this conversation

00:29:02.040 who would actually be willing to pay the extra thousands and thousands of dollars for the hermese h

00:29:08.340 you are not among those who will be in chris doorworth's countercultural movement against

00:29:14.380 the fake credentialization of the branding so you're you're against credentialization in higher

00:29:20.480 education but you are totally for it in high fashion why why the statement is that's the statement

00:29:28.080 itself right it's to be like yeah i dropped the cash on this for that h right you want them to know

00:29:36.520 you spent the money yes absolutely how do we know you spent the money i mean say it i mean okay if i

00:29:42.100 have to carry it see that's why i keep the stickers on the hats right because because people will ask

00:29:47.860 the question oh how do i know you paid for it because that look this is the official that that

00:29:52.680 little holographic little thing that is official from mlb nobody who is looking at you from that angle

00:29:58.980 people shorter than me which is not that many people but i'm just gonna say if they can source

00:30:05.760 the leather to make it a birkin bag they could probably fake the hologram on the mat and i'm just

00:30:09.700 gonna say that it's probably within the capacities of the cc cc we see that's why i have to go to lids

00:30:15.920 i have to get the the the the pay that price you know what i'm just gonna walk around with the receipt

00:30:21.880 and put that tag that on my hat too just so that everybody knows i paid full price for the real thing

00:30:28.340 i think that this is going to be potentially the big distinction between gen z and gen alpha

00:30:33.380 gen z really brought back the brand loyalty and the the overpaying for the brands for the purpose

00:30:39.820 of showing it because gen z had so much disposable income because they never left home they never had

00:30:44.780 like rent in their early 20s like a lot of of uh millennials and gen xers did so i think gen alpha

00:30:52.460 appreciating the value of gamifying access to the asset like stella talked about like like chris

00:30:59.780 talked about this will be one of their big uh deviating points all right next thing i got to

00:31:03.820 talk about my favorite story this week are all of these democrat caravans to el salvador it is my

00:31:12.940 favorite thing happening okay the where trump is doing best with voters is on the issue of immigration

00:31:19.480 and the fact that we have deported a guy who a a trial finder of fact and an appellate court found

00:31:26.380 was tied to ms 13 we've deported that person to el salvador he is a he's a salvadorian national

00:31:32.480 and now democrats are leaping over one or another to go to el salvador to uh i guess re-import ms 13

00:31:42.360 back to the united states is is is there a greater gift republicans are being given right now stella

00:31:48.000 no this is what we voted for literally this is what we voted for and it's such a slap in the face

00:31:54.160 to legal immigrants like me my family you know the process we went through to come here we had to live

00:32:01.120 in another country like we went from the soviet union to italy we lived in italy for six months we

00:32:07.220 had to be wait to be vetted and all of the process and coming to america and then you see this and you

00:32:13.220 know you hear did you hear patty morin rachel morin's mother today i mean i i started crying

00:32:19.880 like she went into detail what happened to her daughter the ruthlessness the vicious way he

00:32:26.540 attacked her and raped her and then he he he strangled her you know to death and um her senator

00:32:34.440 is going over to el salvador to try to bring back this man who is an illegal alien who ice and others and

00:32:41.960 i just heard tom holman talk about it say he is in fact an ms 13 gang member because they could tell

00:32:46.900 by their his tattoos he has a certain tattoo but but he had a street name yeah and yeah and the left

00:32:52.860 keeps saying we'll prove it no you prove it that he's not well i actually read the uh doj uh uh i think

00:33:01.820 the doj released an extra report on that recently uh and so he the the report says that this guy

00:33:09.700 kilmer was rolled up on in a home depot parking lot in hyattsville maryland and i used to actually

00:33:16.700 live in this area in the greenbelt hyattsville area heavily el salvadorian in maryland that in 2019

00:33:22.820 cops rolled up to uh to this parking lot there were four members they rolled four people they rolled

00:33:29.820 up on one of the guys was known right away as being a uh ms 13 gang member named code name bimbo

00:33:38.640 that was his name you know you're tough if you got that code oh yeah by the way that's like when

00:33:42.920 you know the the big guy named tiny right like that's what you know you're in trouble when tiny

00:33:49.500 comes looking for you right so there's so there's he says so kilmer is now found hanging out with

00:33:56.000 bimbo who is a known member uh another guy named maniaco who's also that's a street name maniaco

00:34:04.120 he's another known member uh which is spanish for maniacal right exactly and then and then uh kilmer

00:34:11.460 was found to have the tattoos but also wearing a chicago bulls hat which uh the chicago bulls hat

00:34:19.780 uh essentially exemplifies that you're a member of good standing in the ms 13 and then also wearing a

00:34:26.540 hoodie that had uh rolls of the cash on it with the eyes blanked out the mouth blanked out because

00:34:34.020 that's a that's another ms 13 thing see no evil hear no evil speak no evil right and so the so he

00:34:41.540 this guy is dripped out in ms everything signaling that he's with ms 13 the fourth guy actually they

00:34:49.340 had no the cops had no idea if he was ms 13 or not but they were sure about the other three and

00:34:54.300 kilmer was one of them and he's dripped out wearing the colors where you know as we say in the streets

00:34:59.500 they say he's flagging right and so if he's flagging the colors and he's like dude you're part of the

00:35:04.660 gang right or you could be missing by the way you don't want to be mistaken as being part of the gang

00:35:09.760 because in a because an opposing gang member might see that and take you out fish we left out the fact

00:35:14.960 that he came into this country illegally in 2011 by the way this all happened after he came into the

00:35:19.980 country illegally in 2011 illegally in 2019 that's when that's when uh he was arrested and then the judge

00:35:26.320 said that he could stay in this country for the fear that he would go back to el salvador and be

00:35:31.600 retaliated against an opposing gang yeah by the 18th street gang yeah which was at war with with ms 13

00:35:37.460 yeah so that yeah so this is a total nonsense but i but but i am so i i get all of those facts but

00:35:44.180 chris dorworth question for you do you see this as the political gift that i do because i don't know

00:35:50.640 that i could have asked for more from the democratic party than to seek the re-importation

00:35:55.840 of ms 13 well the answer is it is the biggest gift ever and my theory is that i think that the

00:36:02.100 trump derangement syndrome has officially hit the nervous system because you just picture that you have

00:36:06.740 you have some like collection of staffers for cory booker or the other guy chris whatever his name

00:36:11.020 is that went down to el salvador like this is a good idea like who is the constituency for going to

00:36:16.940 rescue an illegal immigrant ms 13 maybe maybe he is maybe isn't but he's close enough to the fire

00:36:22.420 right i just i why would you call in your chits to do this the tongue deafness is like legendarily

00:36:27.440 crazily stupid and you know marco rubia when he was when he ran for president in 2016 said

00:36:33.060 said oftentimes we we demonize our our opponents as stupid but they're not stupid there's they just

00:36:38.080 do whatever this is stupid this is clearly plainly politically toxic who in the who who's out there

00:36:44.640 like you know what i'm really upset about the fact that might have deported an illegal immigrant back

00:36:49.000 to his home country who was a gangster like who who are they who was the target like that they're

00:36:53.500 like this once we do this we're going to win this constituency back it's like they're at 21 percent

00:36:57.680 and they're just dying to shed another five percent because i do i again i just i simply i've given a

00:37:03.020 lot of thought well here's here here's just how to track the migration of this because democrats

00:37:08.300 believed they had this great political high ground when republicans were putting kids in cages

00:37:13.960 and separating families and democrats had this imagery and had the media on their side and

00:37:19.200 we were going to stop the kids in cages and now it's like we're going to go get ms 13 out of the

00:37:24.380 cages in el salvador and bring them back vish how did they go from the kids in cages to the ms 13 in

00:37:30.180 cages and uh and and survive on taxpayer dollar too right chris van holland totally oh yeah caroline

00:37:36.780 levitt said he probably traveled there on taxpayer dime well here's what listen i will never complain

00:37:41.660 about democrats deporting themselves el salvador okay i i'm pretty sure i voted for that but but but

00:37:48.400 uh you know the a point that i just want to make is that all of the i see all these democrats on blue

00:37:54.680 sky all the all the talking about kilmer bring back kilmer bring back kilmer if i go and ask them

00:38:00.900 one question do you people know the name of the guy who killed rachel morin none of them will know

00:38:07.800 none of it that will not they will not have zero idea but every single one of them knows kilmer's

00:38:12.760 name i think that that speaks the volumes that we needed to see would they let kilmer crash at

00:38:18.180 their pad that's my question for chris van holland chris van holland are you letting kilmer hang out at

00:38:23.780 your house no there's of course not this is all this is all virtual they are trying look the the the and

00:38:29.280 i think we talked about this in the previous episode the the democrats the left are stuck in a

00:38:34.460 mentality of this kind of mass imagery you know from the 60s with the civil rights protests then

00:38:41.060 one of the things that did work during the trump administration was the kids in cages and they're

00:38:46.380 trying to recreate that but their problem is they are grown adults with tattoos across all across their

00:38:51.800 bodies and it doesn't work it just doesn't work all right all right follow the money right like

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00:40:10.780 last thing i want to talk about i believe we are setting up for a circumstance in our politics

00:40:16.080 where republican officials are going to have to be willing to face contempt of court from judges

00:40:23.080 uh judge bosberg found this week that there's probable cause to hold trump administration

00:40:28.220 officials in contempt judge bosberg was trying to conduct the foreign policy of the united states

00:40:33.460 by dictating when we were at war and who could be deported and i actually think this is going to

00:40:39.600 have to be the new litmus test going forward you and i know a lot of people in dc right now who are

00:40:44.040 still getting those jobs at the operational level of the united states government and i think they need

00:40:50.940 to look themselves in the eye and say you know what it might be me standing in front of some judge

00:40:54.480 bosberg one day saying that's right i gave the order for the for the planes to take off and for

00:40:59.400 the illegal immigrants to be deported while the united states is enduring this war are we up to that

00:41:05.300 moment vish in this movement today i'm i'm surprised i would be surprised if anybody didn't realize

00:41:11.120 we were in that moment in the first place when roger stone was getting prosecuted when navarro went

00:41:16.780 to jail when steve bannon went to jail i walked him to prison right like this has been happening

00:41:22.360 even before we got there now we're in i everyone's resting on their laurels thinking that it's all over

00:41:29.280 everyone's just going to comply and no the judges are back in your face in your grill ready to hope now

00:41:35.500 you got about bosberg ready to throw up put people in contempt and you know maybe stick the marshals

00:41:40.380 on them however it is that they make that happen to get those people in jail but every single one of

00:41:45.680 those people they should have known that this was the question that they were going to be asked

00:41:48.900 and they should have had an answer for it already and so yes it is this is a real thing that these

00:41:56.220 people are going to have to face and they got to be ready for it and stand proud and say i am here to

00:42:01.540 serve my country serve my president i did it as directed i remained loyal i did not do any

00:42:08.220 insubordination or anything like that i was told to do this and i did it and i'm proud to do it that's

00:42:14.340 that's the reason why i'm in this administration in this role in the first place so that very litmus

00:42:19.220 test when applied to the left seems to center around violence and vandalism and like the

00:42:25.600 willingness to go and set a tesla dealership on fire we have seen people show up at the town hall

00:42:32.160 meetings of democrats angry saying you know why haven't you been arrested yet why haven't you engaged

00:42:37.720 in violations of the law to stop trump so do you think that if on the right the litmus test is a

00:42:43.660 willingness to defy a court order to be held in contempt is there a litmus test on the left right

00:42:48.480 now where they want to see their leaders leading more aggressive violence or vandalism but they've

00:42:55.240 been like this with this violence and vandalism like it's okay on their side and it's so hypocritical

00:43:01.820 like they say one thing and then they do a completely different thing like the fact that the mainstream

00:43:08.560 media doesn't you know talk about the fact that teslas are constantly being set on fire

00:43:12.820 we we have a tesla and the other day we parked the car we walk out and somebody keyed it

00:43:17.780 somebody keyed the tesla okay i mean don't they have cameras everywhere they do have did you add

00:43:23.380 did you get good footage we're gonna check it out but you haven't checked it out yet no i'm sure it's

00:43:28.060 my husband's car i don't drive it okay all right now now we understand no the thing the thing for me

00:43:33.260 with teslas is i'm tired i don't like charging the cars so it's just like it's annoying i want to be

00:43:37.440 able to put gas in it that i i find that you meet the most interesting people at charging stations

00:43:42.400 like la the the your your community of fellow tesla owners yeah i don't know all right but

00:43:48.620 chris are you buying that the new litmus test on the right is will you defy a court order the new

00:43:53.720 litmus test on the left is will you go and uh burn down or will you go key stella's car uh while uh

00:43:59.800 while she's getting groceries let's take that in two parts i mean the first things first it is clear

00:44:04.820 to me that the progressive message has failed that's the reason donald trump's in the white

00:44:09.120 house uh that's the reason the supreme court is overwhelmingly um republican or i guess conservative

00:44:14.400 in theory we have a chief justice it's a little squishy but i mean it's a it's a supreme court level

00:44:19.400 if you think about it donald trump had lost to hillary clinton there would probably be a majority

00:44:23.300 liberal progressive bench so we we want that we uh and the congress is both republican so this is

00:44:31.440 basically what they have left this is the power lever that they have left uh you know it's

00:44:35.180 interesting to me like when they say there's criminal content against the administration

00:44:37.980 why couldn't trump just pardon him or commute it right away and be like this is bs moving on i mean

00:44:42.220 it's not going to work but it's clear to me that this is the final the final thing to fight over and so

00:44:47.540 but chris i think chris i think they do it because they want to they want to push this violation of

00:44:52.400 norms narrative i don't think they've given up on that well i mean what what's what happens now is like

00:44:57.700 federal judges they they in their respective districts they they appoint their own clerk and

00:45:02.540 it's just very clear there's some that are just wired to do it so for some reason every time a

00:45:06.320 court case gets filed this bozberg guy tends to get it and i don't think that's a mistake i don't

00:45:09.920 think it's a coincidence i think this is very much game i think the smart people in that party this is

00:45:13.800 what they're doing right now the question is when when we when do we make the decision as an

00:45:17.680 administration when does trump say i've just had enough of this this is clearly obstructionist

00:45:21.780 it's it's anti-american behavior it's treacherous in my opinion and when do we just say enough

00:45:26.320 enough is enough and my guess is that's coming soon because this is the way i think it comes to

00:45:30.320 head like the reason i want to talk about it is the way i think it comes to head is

00:45:33.480 by judges giving orders that patriotic administration officials are unwilling to follow because they

00:45:41.680 adhere to the constitution and the article two powers are clearly delineated therein and then

00:45:47.380 the the gut check is does the power of the court's contempt function as a as a sufficiently compulsory

00:45:55.340 tool to be able to win or is our um ability to pardon like you said or our ability to control

00:46:02.120 the federal marshals become what's this positive well the the issue i have is that the the supreme

00:46:08.200 court is in the constitution all the subsidiary courts they're all statutory functions if we have

00:46:13.600 a republican congress why are they not doing dealing with this i mean they could just get rid of it they

00:46:18.100 could take the power but they don't which is just very clear but they're in on it my in my mind so

00:46:22.720 you know so that that's the first question the second wow minute minute 46 for the hottest take

00:46:27.980 of the show congress is in on the judicial coup according to chris dorworth what about it

00:46:32.620 why won't they fix it all right hold on hold on we have to address this we have to address this in

00:46:36.880 like a lightning round stella do you agree that congress actually is for uh some of this judicial

00:46:45.080 activity because it gets them off the hook from having to make tough decisions could be i mean

00:46:49.580 why are we waiting for the impeachment proceedings like what are we waiting for all right i got a

00:46:53.780 could be at a stella vish yes yes just do it that's the thing right like nancy put what nancy

00:47:01.040 pelosi was able to do with such a thin majority and get all these people to pass crazy bills and stuff

00:47:06.000 even when when they were in the majority astonishing the fact that even i don't care if it's a one

00:47:12.160 two three seat majority i don't care if you're never going to get the two-thirds votes to actually

00:47:16.480 remove the guy you gotta put up the symbol put up the symbol yes we're impeaching them right we voted

00:47:23.920 every republican in this conference is is not down with this we are going to use our powers to the

00:47:29.940 maximum limit that is allowed by the constitution and so yeah we're going we're going to make put

00:47:36.700 that mark on them you think that when the democrats but when the democrats uh impeached trump and they

00:47:41.720 knew they didn't have the votes in the senate they said oh well we'll never get them removed so

00:47:46.060 we're gonna we're gonna back off this effort no they went and did it anyway yeah but okay so i will

00:47:51.460 concede that point but what i don't believe what animates it is an actual desire for the judiciary to

00:47:58.000 prevail over trump in these battles i actually think that the congress is so weak and uh disjointed

00:48:07.680 that they are incapable of being a sufficient force multiplier for trump but i don't think they're

00:48:13.680 like in on wanting to get off the hook on making the the tough decisions and eager for the injunctions

00:48:20.460 they're just there to cede authority because they don't know how to use their power and they're willing

00:48:24.700 to cede it to trump to vicious point though the dnc like the democrats are always basically always

00:48:31.080 aligned they're like they're socialists well yeah i get it because yes they have a borg mentality and so

00:48:37.080 they're aligned on everything but then on our side it's like the complicity is also no good just like

00:48:43.920 letting these judges run wild you have the authority of oversight over it right and i just i just don't

00:48:50.840 see anything from our side addressing this right and so i would at least haul them in right well yeah

00:48:56.580 well the subpoenas should be flying right out of out of oversight out of judiciary are we waiting on

00:49:02.940 and i know that and i and i know and i know you've you know you've we've been through this with you

00:49:07.760 know back in the in the congress with the hunter biden subpoenas why aren't these things going out

00:49:12.860 and look like now we have the president right like we have the white house theoretically we have the

00:49:19.220 supreme court where are the guns in the white house i mean i'm sorry in the in the congress you

00:49:24.120 know where are they well again i just asked this ask this question you know the supreme court made what i

00:49:29.060 thought was a horrible ruling and it said that a district court can bind an entire national thing

00:49:33.480 if there's any bill that this legislature should pass why would that not be the one how hard is that

00:49:38.680 to do the house has passed that it awaits action in the senate it is our good friend daryl ice's bill

00:49:44.020 represents part of the san diego area and the senate should take it up and pass it immediately

00:49:47.420 unfortunately we are out of time on this delightful episode of anchorman that flew by that it did but make

00:49:54.040 sure if you're if you're still eager for more you can catch stella delivering the straight news

00:50:00.420 two o'clock and four o'clock eastern eleven and one pacific here on one america news and we've got

00:50:06.240 the matt gates show at nine o'clock eastern six o'clock pacific vish will be with us uh friday and uh

00:50:12.400 where can where can folks uh follow you on x chris at chris dorworth c-h-r-i-s-d-o-r-w-o-r-t-h

00:50:20.300 all right how about you still folks follow you stella esco tv on x vish at vish burrah v-i-s-h-b-u-r-r-a

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - April 17, 2025

The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz ｜ What Gives First？

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