The Anthony Cumia Show - June 12, 2025


Aviation's Golden Era ｜ 06-08-25


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00:01:00.080 Listen, all you New Yorkers.
00:01:02.580 You mean taxi?
00:01:04.000 Okay, that you want to look around.
00:01:05.300 This is the 77 WABC
00:01:08.360 minicast.
00:01:10.900 John Katz.
00:01:12.680 I am here.
00:01:13.820 There he is. How you doing, boss?
00:01:16.100 Good. I am older than you,
00:01:17.820 so I remember those days.
00:01:19.640 Yes, well, you know, I'm not
00:01:21.880 that much of a kid i do remember the great old days of the concord amazing airports like the
00:01:29.860 twa terminal at kennedy uh the wonder of flight it was just an amazing thing and now it just seems
00:01:38.120 like you know trash whatever wants to walk on the plane wearing pajamas but uh i was talking about
00:01:45.640 Trump wanting to bring back supersonic transport, some type of travel like the Concorde was.
00:01:52.180 And then I was wondering if you, being involved in British Airways, a terminal at Kennedy, was it, had any experience?
00:02:01.960 I've been in the aviation business for 40 years.
00:02:06.140 I started back in 1977.
00:02:08.740 and the company that eventually became NetJets,
00:02:14.240 I started the company along with Jim Jacobs
00:02:17.740 and when we sold this to Santulli,
00:02:21.700 that turned it into NetJets
00:02:23.420 and then turned it into Warren Buffett buying it.
00:02:29.620 We had like 48 jets at that time
00:02:32.600 and then Warren Buffett turned it into 800 jets.
00:02:37.940 So you were involved, obviously, you just explained, in the aviation industry.
00:02:44.880 But I was talking about the supersonic transport, the Concord British Airways.
00:02:50.660 We're getting there.
00:02:51.580 All right.
00:02:52.460 That's the corporate jet part of it.
00:02:54.560 And I used to fly all those jets.
00:02:56.240 When I quit flying, I had 4,000 hours of jet time.
00:03:01.180 Oh, so you actually flew also.
00:03:03.680 You didn't just, business-wise, own these companies.
00:03:08.180 You flew jets?
00:03:09.980 Absolutely.
00:03:11.160 And in 1983, we bought Capital Airlines, which was one of the leading airlines in the country in 1983-84.
00:03:25.760 And we operated it.
00:03:28.940 Our headquarters was out of Smyrna, Tennessee.
00:03:32.840 We flew to Europe.
00:03:34.780 We flew to the Caribbean.
00:03:35.960 We flew transcontinental, San Francisco, Los Angeles.
00:03:41.140 We had mostly in those days, and that's 43 years ago.
00:03:46.900 My gosh.
00:03:47.200 Amazing.
00:03:47.920 Amazing.
00:03:48.360 And we had a great, it was a great airline.
00:03:54.260 And then what happened was People's Express entered our markets.
00:03:59.840 Oh, I remember People's Express.
00:04:01.740 Yes.
00:04:02.100 And that was one of the big frauds of the day.
00:04:04.680 Right, low-cost air, and it was a total scam.
00:04:09.600 It was a total scam.
00:04:11.780 They were cooking the books, selling cheap tickets,
00:04:16.980 and at the end of the day, they kept losing a lot of money,
00:04:22.960 but they made believe they were making money
00:04:26.160 and keep raising a lot of public money just to keep growing.
00:04:29.820 Right, like Crazy Eddie, like Eddie Antner.
00:04:31.940 He did the same thing, puff up the books, make it seem like you've got a great company,
00:04:36.440 and you're taking money out of it, but nobody's going in.
00:04:40.460 Nobody's going in.
00:04:41.840 And eventually they all have to blow up. 1.00
00:04:45.380 Yes, damn it. 0.99
00:04:47.300 These guys just keep doing that because of the fact that sometimes they hope that a miracle will happen. 1.00
00:04:55.000 Right, right.
00:04:56.120 And they'll make it.
00:04:57.360 Somehow, what, you're going to win lotto and be able to infuse that money into your company?
00:05:02.480 John, I've got to ask you something, because obviously you're involved very heavily into aviation and the businesses.
00:05:11.460 What happened over the course of the years that made it where we had, it was so luxurious, it was amazing.
00:05:19.500 The cart would come by and they'd carve off filet mignon to you.
00:05:24.700 Anthony, let's start off.
00:05:26.660 Let's start off first with the Concorde, because, you know, I was driving back from Long Island.
00:05:35.620 I was listening to you all the way.
00:05:37.700 Thank you.
00:05:38.400 You got my attention on the Concorde.
00:05:39.940 Oh, the boss is listening to me.
00:05:42.160 Jesus.
00:05:43.540 And half the British Airways terminal at John F. Kennedy Airport was ours.
00:05:50.020 So we had reciprocal agreements with British Airways.
00:05:53.640 So it was Capital Airlines was our company.
00:05:56.660 And we operated DC-8s, DC-10s, Airbus 300s, and I used to fly some of them, but I didn't fly them for passenger runs because I wasn't qualified to fly them, but I flew them on maintenance runs.
00:06:14.200 Okay, yeah, yeah, you got to take it somewhere for work, you would fly it, yeah.
00:06:18.880 Yeah, and the same thing with the other company, we called it United Jet Fleet before it became NetJets.
00:06:26.660 And we flew, you know, I used to fly them, but not on paid revenue flights.
00:06:32.400 I used to fly them for our own flights.
00:06:37.360 And now, the Concorde, it went into production, I'm trying to remember, and I think it first
00:06:46.280 flew in 1976, I believe.
00:06:51.920 It was a centennial year here in the United States.
00:06:55.700 Very big, patriotic.
00:06:57.360 It was a great airplane.
00:06:58.360 It was a great airplane.
00:07:00.120 It flew anywhere from 61,000 to 63,000 feet.
00:07:06.520 It flew at Mach 2.01 to 2.03, which meant twice the speed of sound.
00:07:15.520 And we made JFK Airport to London in three hours and 11 minutes.
00:07:23.820 And Air France would do it from New York to Paris in like three hours and 15 minutes at 63,000 feet.
00:07:36.660 And it was a great airplane.
00:07:39.220 And that technology is 50 years old.
00:07:43.040 So I am very, very upset that we have gone nowhere in 50 years.
00:07:51.220 So President Trump, you know, who I know for a long time, and he's always been in aviation.
00:07:57.660 I've always been in aviation.
00:07:59.820 He bought one of the shuttles, and he was operating the shuttle at one time from New York to...
00:08:11.220 Oh, the Trump?
00:08:11.860 Yeah, the Trump shuttle is huge.
00:08:14.780 And I was supposed to buy the Pan Am shuttle.
00:08:18.960 But that's another day.
00:08:23.940 So what do you think about this, though, that Trump...
00:08:26.360 Aviation has not gone far enough in the last 50 years.
00:08:31.420 And the same thing with our space race.
00:08:33.500 Our space race, we are trying to fall behind.
00:08:36.440 And we, you know, when they created the space shuttle, to me, knowing aviation and loving aviation, that was a big fraud.
00:08:47.220 Oh, I thought it was going to be the greatest thing.
00:08:50.740 I thought it was going to be the greatest jump leap for mankind in space flight.
00:08:57.260 It was.
00:08:57.820 It was.
00:08:58.560 Nothing.
00:08:59.920 It was a waste of time and money after Apollo.
00:09:03.720 And 50 years.
00:09:04.820 And we went to the moon in 1969, and we haven't been back since.
00:09:11.800 So technology has not moved anywhere.
00:09:15.400 But you know what?
00:09:16.140 We've done, John, we've done a lot with autonomous and technologically.
00:09:22.080 You see what Elon's done with the spacecraft that he could bring back, the booster, and it doesn't cost as much.
00:09:30.240 And I think that's a big thing, but I think we wasted so much time and resources on the shuttle program and not just pursuing going to Mars.
00:09:40.780 Yeah, we did nothing in 50 years, which is so disappointing.
00:09:46.920 And now that they want to create another supersonic transport.
00:09:51.340 Yeah, what do you think about that?
00:09:52.640 The technology now is moving forward, and they're trying to be able to do it with no sonic booms.
00:09:59.500 Now, how do you do that?
00:10:01.160 It's just nature.
00:10:03.140 If something goes beyond the speed of sound.
00:10:06.560 Maybe it's the design of the aircraft.
00:10:09.260 Maybe it's a, I don't know.
00:10:10.820 I haven't been able, I haven't been up to it lately.
00:10:13.920 But it's a very disappointing design because I looked into part of it.
00:10:19.740 Those airplanes are not as fast as the Concorde.
00:10:23.840 And they should be able to make them faster and better.
00:10:26.920 and not just another, just nothing.
00:10:31.980 I mean, New York, London on the new one is maybe four hours,
00:10:36.680 which is, you know, you want to be able,
00:10:39.700 you can do hypersonic jets right now
00:10:42.540 and you can do New York, Hong Kong in three hours, four hours.
00:10:49.100 Now that's technology.
00:10:50.920 That's insane, right.
00:10:52.000 And we should be at that point.
00:10:53.060 We should be at that point right now.
00:10:54.860 Why aren't we?
00:10:56.120 What happened?
00:10:57.080 What happened?
00:10:58.920 Well, you know, back in the 1950s and 60s
00:11:04.280 when we started to design...
00:11:06.240 The good old days, John.
00:11:07.400 You know, we had the German scientists.
00:11:12.080 Yes.
00:11:12.580 The German scientists, the German Jewish scientists
00:11:15.960 were so much more advanced than our people were.
00:11:22.020 They were a smart bunch.
00:11:23.640 When they died off, guess what?
00:11:27.200 We got nothing.
00:11:28.620 We got nothing.
00:11:30.960 Yeah, Operation Paperclip really did help our aviation industry and the military.
00:11:39.860 As far as rockets go, obviously, I mean, Wernher von Braun was the key to the Apollo space program.
00:11:48.280 And there just doesn't say, where are these?
00:11:49.980 And I think I think Elon Musk is brilliant, but I think it's more the people he hires.
00:11:56.000 And we don't have that one that one person that just knows so much about this that can put us over the top anymore.
00:12:04.960 That's that is the problem. Yeah, it's a problem.
00:12:09.240 And we need good leadership. Look, yes, Trump is a smart guy.
00:12:16.620 I think he's on the right track.
00:12:19.020 I'm 100% supportive of him.
00:12:21.240 Absolutely.
00:12:22.100 And Elon Musk, he's a smart guy, but even his father said.
00:12:29.080 I don't know if you saw the article.
00:12:30.300 I did, yes.
00:12:31.140 I saw that today, yep.
00:12:33.220 And, you know, my comment on the article was, father knows best.
00:12:39.340 From the old days.
00:12:41.040 Yeah, your father knows.
00:12:42.360 And he should quit.
00:12:43.740 Look, Elon Musk doesn't need the drugs.
00:12:46.600 He doesn't need the alcohol.
00:12:48.220 The one thing you know about President Trump, he doesn't do alcohol and he doesn't do drugs.
00:12:53.580 Right, right.
00:12:54.160 He's a clean guy.
00:12:56.220 I love him.
00:12:56.920 So I'm betting on Donald Trump.
00:13:02.340 Well, the way I say it, you need a strong United States president to save the free world.
00:13:13.160 Yeah.
00:13:13.740 always it's always been that way and that's what we're doing and it's not an easy job and it's not
00:13:19.380 some embrace and that's what we're seeing now it's not easy to change the course of a country
00:13:27.820 that has been on the wrong path for so many years so donald trump can't just do this and make people
00:13:35.140 think oh everyone's gonna like this it's not the way it is would have gotten if harris would have
00:13:40.760 gotten elected oh god please i am scared crapless i can't this country would not have made i have
00:13:48.520 nightmares i got nightmares thinking about that oh my god i mean it was it was so bad yes i mean
00:13:57.080 we were being invaded you know yes literally yeah immigration yes i was i was me i was vice
00:14:07.980 chairman of ellis island i worked with uh lee itoka uh on ellis island foundation with bill
00:14:15.560 forgazi on ellis island foundation and we believe in immigration immigration yes invasion no legal
00:14:24.400 merit-based legal merit-based immigration i think it is a wonderful thing for this country it has
00:14:32.500 fallen so far away from that that we we are just letting in people that are so detrimental
00:14:39.780 to this country well yeah i can't understand why i can understand if they snuck in migrants that
00:14:48.080 wanted to work hard like ellis island yeah there you go came to ellis island don't forget we wanted
00:14:54.320 his two brothers had to sign in a dotted line that if he didn't pay the bills his brothers
00:14:59.760 inside them yeah cosign yeah they had a cosign for people letting these migrants in and and
00:15:07.640 letting the criminals in yep what what what was what was the biden people doing we have to find
00:15:14.360 out who at the white house was pressing those buttons allowing criminals in into our cities
00:15:21.500 our states and i can understand and inviting the migrants in because what the democrats wanted
00:15:28.560 They were falling short of congressional votes in New York, Illinois, California.
00:15:35.980 So they brought in the census, congressional votes.
00:15:39.380 Yeah, they need the census to show that there's people that are Democrats.
00:15:46.620 Yeah, that's the only reason they were doing this.
00:15:50.880 But, Anthony, bring in the migrants that want to work hard.
00:15:54.880 Why bring in the criminals?
00:15:56.180 else i i guess because they could make it seem like they're catering to the criminals and the
00:16:02.400 criminals will vote for i don't know john it's insane it's an insane thing it's so destructive 0.92
00:16:09.480 to this country and all they do is crow about how they're pro-american and how trump is a nazi 0.98
00:16:15.820 and he's a fascist and he's destroying this country and all they've done is attempted to 0.93
00:16:21.760 destroy every aspect and every institution that makes this country great they tried to destroy 0.95
00:16:28.960 america yes they tried to do it with invasion not in the immigration they tried with fentanyl
00:16:36.600 they were killing a hundred thousand americans a year disgusting and what they're doing to our
00:16:41.660 institutions yep uh you know uh they like there's 400 000 chinese students but you know who puts
00:16:52.020 them in the communist party and they pay their tuition and if they if they don't obey the
00:16:59.840 communist party guess what their mother dies oh yeah yeah no they're they're brutal over there
00:17:06.020 Do you think, John, do you think we're somehow at war with China right now?
00:17:11.140 Because I think we're at war.
00:17:12.900 Maybe there aren't missiles and bullets flying, but I think China is warring with us.
00:17:18.720 They steal our intellectual property.
00:17:20.920 They deposit fungus and diseases upon the world.
00:17:25.940 Why the hell isn't the rest of the globe attacking China, maybe not militarily, but economically and every other way, or maybe militarily?
00:17:39.520 I don't know.
00:17:40.100 It really seems to me like China is at war with us, and we're doing nothing about it.
00:17:45.800 This is a different kind of war.
00:17:48.680 This is an economic war.
00:17:50.340 This is invasion versus versus nuclear bombs.
00:17:58.420 What they want to do, you know, what they want to do is take control of our country without anything.
00:18:11.020 Right. Without firing a shot.
00:18:12.380 And the American people, and I don't understand the Democratic Party.
00:18:20.100 You know what I say on my show?
00:18:22.280 I don't care if you're Democrat.
00:18:24.000 I don't care if you're Republican.
00:18:26.020 You should want the best for America.
00:18:31.440 For the country.
00:18:32.600 That's being pro-American, right.
00:18:35.300 And the same thing.
00:18:36.100 in New York City, New York State, New Jersey, what's best for our state, what's best for our
00:18:42.920 cities. And it's just horrible what's going on. You're right. If I see a Republican doing something
00:18:50.040 that I feel is detrimental to my county, to the city, to the state, I don't care what the party
00:18:58.220 line is. I'm going to say this is not good for the people of this county or community or city
00:19:05.560 or state and and for some reason we've gotten so jaded where it doesn't matter if it's your party
00:19:12.380 you have to back it no matter what they're doing and that's destroying this country and then let's
00:19:19.180 take these these smart uh federal judges what the heck are they doing oh destroy again they're
00:19:28.700 supposed to be smart guys the democratic u.s senators i i said the other day why do you want
00:19:36.080 the criminals to come back yep you know why i i don't understand it are they america are they
00:19:43.300 americans or are they uh you know on somebody else's side it makes it makes no sense john
00:19:48.980 john you know that you own this station and you know that we have to take breaks right
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00:19:57.620 I hear you, my friend.
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