The Anthony Cumia Show - Roger Stone ｜ 05-11-25

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00:01:00.140 It's the Anthony Cumia

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00:01:07.980 Welcome back, everybody. The

00:01:09.660 Anthony Cumia Show.

00:01:11.440 My guest here this evening, he has

00:01:13.680 a show here in New York City

00:01:15.480 on WABC Radio.

00:01:17.920 I believe Sunday nights, 5 o'clock.

00:01:20.680 I'm a big fan of his.

00:01:22.120 He's been through the ringer. You want to

00:01:23.740 talk about lawfare you want to talk about the justice system being uh abused and weaponized

00:01:29.900 against somebody this is your poster boy right here the great mr roger stone what's up roger

00:01:36.760 anthony great to be with you first of all congratulations for the extraordinary success

00:01:42.640 of your hit show on 77 wabc the most powerful influential am radio station in america today

00:01:50.880 It is, right? The cream rises to the top, Roger. Don't we know this?

00:01:57.900 I love being on before you. It's great.

00:02:01.160 Yeah, yeah. You're on before me and a great lineup of guests and some real, real honest talk about what's going on.

00:02:09.480 I mean, you've been through the mill. I can't imagine you're afraid of much more because, you know, you've been through it.

00:02:17.240 That 29 armed agents busting down your door at 6 a.m. with, of course, CNN right there to capture it all.

00:02:27.020 That's got to leave you with quite the bad taste in your mouth for our government.

00:02:31.320 How do you how do you continue to want to do good and make a difference in this country when the country has screwed you so?

00:02:40.280 Well, the real irony, Anthony, of course, is that long after my trial, long after the president recognized that I was prostituted, not because I did anything wrong, not because I broke the law, but because I refused to testify falsely against him.

00:02:58.260 Long after that, the BuzzFeed sued the Department of Justice, forcing them to release Robert Mueller's final completely unredacted report,

00:03:08.840 in which even he admitted that he'd found no evidence of Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration, any other misdeed on my part.

00:03:17.300 All of that information, by the way, withheld from my defense attorneys at trial.

00:03:21.620 So I feel exonerated, vindicated.

00:03:24.560 I think people now realize the Russian collusion hoax was the greatest single dirty trick and abuse of power in American political history.

00:03:33.660 Nothing were nothing less than the use of the full authority of the federal government and the extraordinary capabilities of our intelligence agencies to try an illicit effort to remove a duly elected president, Donald Trump.

00:03:46.700 Yes, you have to. You know, I don't know how you deal with bitterness.

00:03:54.180 Maybe a lot of people become very vengeful. But to see that that whole the the the Steele dossier, the Russian collusion, all the lies that were coming out and no accountability whatsoever.

00:04:07.040 The only victims, the only people that had to suffer for that were people like you that were picked out by the Justice Department, a weaponized Justice Department and screwed over.

00:04:18.780 And and are you are you bitter? Do you have access to grind?

00:04:22.100 Do you want to see some people fall and get that vengeance?

00:04:26.700 Well, I think we should recalibrate the justice system so we rebalance the scales of justice.

00:04:33.280 so we don't have a two-tiered system. 1.00

00:04:35.440 In other words, Hillary Clinton destroys 33,000 emails with bit bleach and a hammer 1.00

00:04:41.540 when she knows that they're under subpoena. 1.00

00:04:44.780 She pays no price for that.

00:04:47.760 I was specifically charged with lying to Congress under oath about Russian collusion,

00:04:54.280 which actually never took place.

00:04:56.320 I mean, how do you lie about something that doesn't really happen yet?

00:04:58.840 James Comey lied. John Brennan, the CIA director, lied. Hillary Clinton lied. All these people lied.

00:05:06.240 They lied about material things. Any misstatement I made was completely immaterial. In other words, no underlying crime to hide.

00:05:15.600 Am I bitter? No, I'm not bitter. I'm grateful. I'm grateful, first of all, to God that he heard my prayers.

00:05:20.980 I'm grateful to Donald Trump that he recognized that I was a political prisoner and politically persecuted in an effort to get him.

00:05:31.000 It wasn't about me. It was about him and the American people.

00:05:33.760 In the end, they saw through it. They saw through the whole thing, despite the collaboration between big media and and the Democrat Party.

00:05:42.880 I was I was so they call it black pilled where you just feel at a loss and there's really you feel powerless to do anything like you're just on another entity's roller coaster.

00:05:55.340 And I was feeling that way before the election.

00:05:58.100 I really thought Camilla had a chance because I didn't trust them at all to run an honest election.

00:06:04.220 I still don't think they did run an honest election.

00:06:06.420 I think it was just there were so many people that voted for Trump.

00:06:09.320 They it was too big to steal.

00:06:11.100 but um you you get in these uh situations where you have such a distrust of the government

00:06:18.840 and you hope that donald trump getting in there and what he's doing isn't just this speed bump

00:06:25.000 it isn't just a a kind of a pause on the road to ruin as i like to call it uh that that the left

00:06:33.500 had put us on for many years um how are you feeling these days about the prospect the future

00:06:40.560 prospects of America? Well, first of all, as you know, in politics, a week is a lifetime. So

00:06:46.140 anybody who wants to prognosticate what's going to happen in the midterm elections, it's far too

00:06:51.720 early to say. I do know this. Donald Trump is an enormously stubborn and determined individual,

00:06:57.820 and he has one goal, which is to restore prosperity, peace, and justice to the country.

00:07:05.620 And I think he's going to do that. It's like turning around an ocean liner. It's not going

00:07:09.660 to happen in 100 days. It's not going to happen in 200 days. Can it happen in four years? Most

00:07:14.720 definitely. He already recognizes that the key to a revival in the country is a boom economy

00:07:23.060 between his efforts to get reasonable, fair trade agreements for their trading partners,

00:07:30.480 lower taxes on all Americans, not just the wealthy, but across the board tax reduction,

00:07:35.640 And plus start to cut not the millions, not the billions, but the trillions of dollars of waste, fraud and corruption that Elon Musk has uncovered.

00:07:45.600 Those three things together can give us a boom economy and you'll have Republican presidents elected as far as the eye can see.

00:07:53.100 you know when when the opposition as far as democrat republican uh goes whoever's in power

00:08:02.920 there's the opposition and they never want to give kudos to the party in power at the time

00:08:09.340 but this seems bigger than that to to just try to smear every single thing that this president

00:08:17.840 does to try to stand in the way of every single thing to literally go down to a foreign country

00:08:23.900 to attempt to bring back a convicted criminal uh from el salvador uh they are going to lengths

00:08:34.680 that i don't think is just being the opposition hey we're on the other side we have to do this

00:08:40.700 you know a lot of people look back uh to um tip o'neill and ronald reagan you know that i believe

00:08:46.980 were two people that they knew what what America needed, even if they didn't agree with each other.

00:08:53.120 We are in such a horrible place politically politically right now, because I don't believe

00:08:57.800 that there's any common ground anymore. Well, first of all, things are much larger

00:09:03.620 than Republican and Democrat. I think you had largely a realignment in the last election,

00:09:08.700 which common sense Democrats like Robert Kennedy, like Tulsi Gabbard, like Rod Blagojevich and others

00:09:15.700 recognized that there were really two sets of beliefs here.

00:09:20.560 This is a fight between the insiders and an outsider.

00:09:24.740 This is a fight between those who believe in war and censorship,

00:09:29.020 who don't think we should examine the safety of the drugs we're giving our families,

00:09:34.140 the purity of the food that we're feeding our families,

00:09:37.040 and those who favor peace, free speech,

00:09:40.980 and who want to get to the bottom of why we're having childhood chronic disease epidemic in this country.

00:09:47.420 We're the wealthiest country on Earth, yet all of our health statistics are in the toilet.

00:09:52.680 Why is that?

00:09:53.920 This grand coalition between Donald Trump and the Make America Healthy branch of the libertarian movement,

00:10:05.040 Democrat movement, I think is a reset for our entire politics.

00:10:10.480 Let's put it another way. The old Democrat Party, the party of John Kennedy, the party of Chip O'Neill, the party that believed in strong national defense, believed in capitalism, believed in God, believed in free enterprise.

00:10:22.580 That Democrat Party no longer exists as a reality. It's been kidnapped by a group of radical Marxist leftists.

00:10:30.820 And if Trump mental patience, Roger, too, don't forget mental patience.

00:10:35.280 Right. They're emptying out the mental institutions, as a great man says.

00:10:39.860 No, what you say is true. It's very hard to examine those who are arguing that a that a that a an illegal member of a terrorist gang who is not a U.S. citizen should not be deported to his home country and stay there, that he should be brought back. 0.55

00:10:59.480 I don't understand the politics of that. I don't know where the votes are in that. There are no votes in that that I can see.

00:11:05.280 Like most of the most of the stuff that the Democrats seem to be doing, I think years ago would have been kept a little more covert because it's so blatantly un-American, such an unpopular thing to want to do.

00:11:20.840 If you really just look at, I think, not the fringe, but the American people, the ones that voted, and even though they had smeared Donald Trump, tried to imprison him, indicted him, and tried to kill him, literally, still got elected.

00:11:38.700 So I feel that gave me a little hope that that the American people at least see through this this lying machine that has been our our leadership for so long.

00:11:53.280 I just hope that continues, because like you said, people are fickle.

00:11:58.180 I mean, I never understand when they put a poll out and one day later it's different.

00:12:02.720 I'm like, who are the people that changed their mind in one day? 0.99

00:12:05.440 Like what idiot saw something on the news and went, yeah, OK, forget it. 0.99

00:12:08.960 I'm I'm changing my vote. But I get me. I want to get into something else real quick. 1.00

00:12:15.320 Of course, astronaut Mark Kelly, you had a little beef with him, a little blow up.

00:12:22.320 I'm going to I want to play the clip of him addressing what you said. Is that OK, Roger?

00:12:26.980 Sure. Go ahead. And then I'll tell you the truth. Let's play Mark Kelly talking about Roger Stone.

00:12:32.480 hey the other day roger stone called for me to be executed yeah that roger stone donald trump's

00:12:39.080 buddy uh and it's because i called out this administration on their corruption how they're

00:12:45.120 using mean coins and stable coins for donald trump to make money it should be illegal so we

00:12:51.500 introduced legislation to do that to keep him president vice president members of congress from

00:12:56.660 taking these uh what should be illegal acts not who we are as a country it's not right

00:13:01.280 But what Roger Stone said is really, really dangerous.

00:13:06.180 My wife, Gabby Giffords, was nearly assassinated.

00:13:09.700 She was shot in the head.

00:13:12.920 Political violence is a real thing, and they're trying to make it worse.

00:13:17.180 So thank you for sticking with me on this.

00:13:19.640 It's really important, and it's really important that we fight back.

00:13:22.680 So thank you very much.

00:13:24.180 Amazing.

00:13:25.060 They always talk about the threats that the right are making to the left,

00:13:30.280 but it's always the left that are trying to kill people and injure people.

00:13:34.660 What say you, Roger?

00:13:36.180 Let me address precisely what exactly I said.

00:13:39.440 First of all, it had nothing whatsoever to do with cryptocurrency.

00:13:42.280 It had nothing to do with that at all.

00:13:43.260 Fox News correctly reported that Mark Kelly, I guess he sidelights as a U.S. senator,

00:13:49.680 but he is a founder of a company which makes these satellite surveillance balloons,

00:13:57.080 spy balloons, funded by communist China.

00:14:00.280 I find it by Congress China.

00:14:02.320 And therefore, I said, I believe that was treasonous and that therefore he should stand trial and that if convicted, that he should be executed consistent with federal law. 0.84

00:14:13.660 Those are my exact notes.

00:14:15.240 I did not say he should be killed.

00:14:17.000 I did not say he should be assassinated. 0.57

00:14:18.480 I did not say he should be arbitrarily executed.

00:14:20.360 I said he should stand trial because I believe that that is treasonous.

00:14:24.720 Yes. You see, now what happens is the fake news gets ginned up by the Daily Beast and Apple News and smart news and all these fake news outlets.

00:14:35.880 And they recycle his version of what happened, which isn't even remotely close to what I actually said, because what I said is correct.

00:14:43.420 I believe this is treasonous. I believe you should therefore be charged, go through a fair trial.

00:14:48.480 And if convicted, yes, capital punishment is you can check the federal law.

00:14:53.220 That is the that is the prescribed sentence for treason.

00:14:58.380 So you see, they just smear you and try to use this for their political fundraising.

00:15:03.560 They're the ones, by the way, who I didn't hear Kelly complaining about the two attempts on President Donald Trump's life.

00:15:10.020 We still don't know anything about them.

00:15:12.260 No, no, nothing. Because, well, I tend to believe that maybe some people were involved that are in the public eye these days. I don't know. I'm not a big conspiracy guy. But when so many facts or seemingly accurate things that that happened on those days where these assassins were trying to take his life, it makes you think, Roger, makes you think.

00:15:41.980 Well, it's just hard. It's hard for me to understand how the local police, the state police and the Secret Service know for 92 minutes that there's a man inside the sealed perimeter of the event who both is seen with a gun and a rangefinder.

00:15:55.700 But no one informed President Trump's direct security detail, and he wasn't, therefore, evacuated, as would have been required under the Secret Service protocols.

00:16:06.940 How is it that the Secret Service, the state police, and the local police are on three different radio frequencies that can't speak to each other?

00:16:15.860 How is it that we can see still photographs and video of the man they say was the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, speaking to somebody on the phone, but they tell us that his phone can't be unencrypted so we don't know who it is he was speaking to?

00:16:31.580 None of these things make any sense.

00:16:33.600 And then, of course, just the same way they hosed out the back of the limousine an hour after JFK was killed, they hose off the roof of the building where they tell us Crooks shot from to ensure that we couldn't test any DNA he may have left behind.

00:16:47.940 I find it very curious at a minimum.

00:16:51.460 It's all, yes, at a minimum.

00:16:54.120 Very curious.

00:16:55.100 You know, I don't think I've ever heard of an assassination attempt, at least in the last 100, 200 years even, where people were saying, there he is, before the shots were taken.

00:17:10.500 Usually it's after the assassin fires where people go, hey, I saw him.

00:17:15.320 There he was.

00:17:17.020 More than a half hour beforehand, there were people saying, there he is, the guy with a gun.

00:17:23.020 He's on the roof.

00:17:24.200 and trump was allowed to continue to speak on that stage under a you know a spotlight and the sun

00:17:31.560 shining on him a perfect target uh and yeah nothing was done and and we're just supposed to

00:17:37.560 believe that you know the the plausible deniability has gotten a little ragged around the edges these

00:17:44.160 days roger i mean back in the old days at least there was some substantial plausible deniability

00:17:50.140 But these days, I mean, they're not even trying.

00:17:53.700 No, and look, several congressional investigators have established that the counter sniper got the shooter within his sights.

00:18:02.860 But rather than shooting and killing him, he's pointing a gun at the president or the future president of the United States, a protected presidential candidate.

00:18:10.760 He waits until the guy gets off eight rounds before he finally takes him out.

00:18:15.020 So like I say, there's a lot of – far more questions here than answers, but we don't see the Secret Service nor the FBI nor any other federal entity providing any answers.

00:18:26.760 The situation surrounding the attempt in West Palm Beach is just as shady.

00:18:31.360 This guy is supposedly Ryan Routh.

00:18:33.700 They tell us he's indigent.

00:18:34.820 He's behind in his alimony payments.

00:18:37.920 He's behind in his rent payments.

00:18:39.960 So how do you afford to fly to the United States?

00:18:42.560 How did he get here?

00:18:43.520 How did he obtain a gun? How did he hide for 18 hours outside the golf course undetected?

00:18:50.400 And these are there's these are very odd questions, connections with Ukraine, connections with other, you know, nefarious people and governments.

00:19:01.540 And what? Why do you think Trump, now that he's got the seat, doesn't do more?

00:19:08.640 Or do you think maybe he is doing more behind the scenes?

00:19:11.200 You think, hey, I got the seat now. I'm going to dig into this. They try to kill me, man.

00:19:15.940 I am really going to see what happened here.

00:19:19.580 You would certainly think that our new FBI director, if I have a high degree of confidence in, would be examining these issues.

00:19:26.920 You would suspect that the attorney general would do so.

00:19:31.460 But so far, you know, we don't have any new answers.

00:19:35.680 I noticed Congressman Stubbe from Florida, who's on the Intelligence Committee, says the committee has not been briefed, even a classified briefing as to what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:19:47.140 It's deeply, deeply disturbing.

00:19:48.960 Here's the biggest reason why it's disturbing, Anthony, because if they tried twice before, what would stop them from trying again?

00:19:55.220 This is what I pray about the most.

00:19:57.520 This is my greatest single fear.

00:19:59.260 Trump is such a force of nature.

00:20:00.800 He is he is so committed to radical change that really endangers the deep state and their operatives and their power, control and money.

00:20:11.360 I just pray that they do not try to assassinate him again.

00:20:15.220 Yeah, I think obviously before the election would have been a little more advantageous because then their candidate or their puppet might have been in there and it might be a little tough now to get rid of him.

00:20:25.760 You still got the same people.

00:20:28.880 The people would be very angry about assassinating their president.

00:20:32.900 But I've got to take a quick break.

00:20:34.860 Roger, I'd love for you to stick around a little longer.

00:20:36.680 I want to talk some Nixon with you because I know you are a Nixon aficionado.

00:20:42.120 You knew the man, and I think he's great, and I want to talk about his vindication.

00:20:48.260 We'll be back with more of The Anthony Cumia Show with Roger Stone in moments.

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00:21:34.280 Welcome back.

00:21:35.380 Yes, the Anthony Cumia Show on a Sunday evening.

00:21:39.200 Thank you for joining us, and thank you, Roger Stone, for joining us.

00:21:42.540 Roger, I know you knew the man, Richard Milhouse Nixon.

00:21:47.340 I was a big fan growing up.

00:21:50.280 I was a Nixon kid.

00:21:53.160 I just thought he was great.

00:21:54.900 I sent him a Christmas card once, and he sent me one back.

00:21:59.580 It was all stamped, you know, from the White House,

00:22:01.560 and his signature was stamped on there.

00:22:03.520 But I saved that thing for years.

00:22:05.440 I was a big fan.

00:22:08.040 What do you think these days, having seen what the government can do,

00:22:11.520 what the media and the government together can do, Hollywood?

00:22:15.260 I mean, all the usual suspects that can destroy people's lives.

00:22:21.140 Do you think us seeing that has given us a little more insight into what was done to Richard Nixon?

00:22:28.960 You know, I've discussed this with President Trump, who's asked me several times.

00:22:33.100 So Nixon was a fighter. Why did he quit?

00:22:35.800 The answer is quite simple.

00:22:36.900 If the Internet had existed in 1973, 74, Nixon would have survived.

00:22:42.640 The problem here was you had a monolithic media, three major broadcast networks, a handful of national news magazines, a few major newspapers, and that was it.

00:22:55.900 There was no platform with which to counterpunch, no platform with which to put forward the counter narrative.

00:23:03.320 We now know, based on declassified federal documents, the CIA was well aware of the plan to break into the Watergate in advance, that they infiltrated the burglar team, that four of the eight Watergate burglars were still actively on the payroll of the CIA, still reporting to their handlers.

00:23:22.980 Nixon was a grave danger to the deep state.

00:23:26.480 If you look in his biography, if you look in the diary of his chief of staff, Bob Haldeman, he was planning to take power from the CIA.

00:23:34.160 He was going to follow Dwight Eisenhower's advice in regard to the military-industrial complex.

00:23:41.500 So Nixon was preparing to take power away from unelected bureaucrats in our foreign policy apparatus.

00:23:48.420 and therefore he was a grave danger to the deep state.

00:23:53.580 He also knew, quite candidly, who had killed John F. Kennedy.

00:23:59.140 He was a danger from that point of view as well.

00:24:02.360 So they took him out in a silent coup.

00:24:04.820 They didn't assassinate him the way that Kennedy,

00:24:07.660 or they later would try to assassinate Reagan and Trump.

00:24:12.280 But in retrospect, the real tragedy here is the greatness of his record gets lost

00:24:18.200 Yes. In the ashes of Watergate. I mean, he he he reached a strategic arms limitation with the with the Russians, which saved this country tens of billions of dollars in defense spending.

00:24:28.680 Right. He brought China in out of the cold at a time that China is a dirt poor agrarian society. 1.00

00:24:36.380 Few Chinese have indoor plumbing. The rural areas have no electricity. They're not a military threat to us. 0.93

00:24:42.140 They're not an economic threat to us. He plays them off skillfully against the Russians to get a strategic arms limitation agreement.

00:24:49.320 There's no way for Nixon to look 30 years down the road and see that Bill Clinton is going to give them most favored nation trading status and sell them our top military missile targeting secrets. 0.72

00:25:01.940 This is what has made them the danger they are today. Nixon ends the war in Vietnam. Nixon desegregates all the public schools without incident or bloodshed. 0.82

00:25:12.140 Nixon does away with the military draft. Nixon gives us the 18-year-old vote. Nixon unilaterally saves Israel from total annihilation in the 1973 Yom Kippur War over the objections of Kissinger, over the objections of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, over the objections of his entire foreign policy apparatus.

00:25:33.100 It is Nixon who says, no, airlift thirty seven million dollars in lethal aid to the Israelis and do it now because Israel had their backs against the sea.

00:25:43.420 Yeah, it's I don't think. Unfortunately, I think a little too much time went by for people that experienced his presidency to go, wow, boy, that was that was a big load.

00:25:57.420 They dumped all over him. But historically, I think he's coming out looking like a better a better leader and a better president without the Watergate thing really being the only thing that people remember about him.

00:26:14.880 I think as time goes by, history will treat him more kindly

00:26:17.660 when you simply look at his various accomplishments.

00:26:20.400 He was an extraordinarily capable president, and it is a durable record.

00:26:24.080 Unfortunately, the left just keeps their insert.

00:26:26.500 Everything is Watergate.

00:26:28.840 Roger, thanks so much for coming on, man.

00:26:31.860 I'd love to do your show at some point.

00:26:33.720 I'm a big fan.

00:26:35.540 I pay attention to your doings, and I appreciate you popping on, man.

00:26:40.760 You're a good egg, and we'll talk to you again.

00:26:44.760 Have a great one, Roger.

00:26:45.560 Thanks so much.

00:26:47.040 Roger Stone, everybody, and we'll be back after these words.

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00:27:36.720 And it means there's no need to worry when I play at the park.

00:27:40.120 We're making every corner of Ontario safer to make all of Ontario safer.

00:27:44.760 That's how we protect Ontario.

00:27:46.780 For all of us.

00:27:48.840 Learn how at Ontario.ca slash Safer Ontario.

00:27:51.960 Paid for by the Government of Ontario.

The Anthony Cumia Show - May 12, 2025

Roger Stone ｜ 05-11-25

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