The Anthony Cumia Show - May 19, 2026


Viral Confrontation Ends in Gunfire, Raising Questions Over Free Speech Limits ｜ 05-17-26


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10 minutes

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1,329

Sentence count

82

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Toxicity

7

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Hate speech

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Dalton Etherly has been charged with self-defense in the shooting of a man he claims attacked him. He claims he was defending himself from a man who was yelling racial epithets at him. Does he have a case?

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00:01:10.780 I did want to
00:01:11.820 talk about this. This was a big story
00:01:13.680 last week.
00:01:16.340 And, you know,
00:01:17.380 I mean, the way stories go, it could be
00:01:19.780 the huge,
00:01:21.460 huge story of the week.
00:01:23.260 And then the next week, it's kind of just gone.
00:01:25.840 People aren't really talking about it anymore.
00:01:28.160 It's this Chud the Builder thing.
00:01:31.780 Dalton Etherly is his real name, Dalton.
00:01:35.920 Because just calling him Chud, that seems silly.
00:01:42.180 And this definitely isn't a silly circumstance that everyone's dealing with.
00:01:49.460 i'm definitely not going to get into the is he right or wrong about this you know everyone has
00:01:58.280 their own ideas about this guy and what he's been doing if you don't know i don't know what
00:02:04.340 rock you've been under but obviously he's been walking around and uh dropping n-bombs on black
00:02:11.080 people uh as he walks through certain cities towns and whatnot a lot of racial epithets and
00:02:20.320 racially based um insults and his take is i'm just trying to show that we don't have freedom 0.99
00:02:28.880 of speech and that if you say uh certain words uh you will get your your ass handed to you 0.99
00:02:37.640 Some people think that's perfectly fine. 0.98
00:02:40.620 Other people don't think you should pay with violence or your life in some circumstances just for uttering a word.
00:02:51.160 So that's pretty much what's been going on.
00:02:54.300 This guy Dalton, he carries or carried a gun and bear spray.
00:03:00.380 And whenever anyone would get so offended at what he's saying to the point where they felt they ought to hit him,
00:03:06.700 he would use the bear spray on him and uh last week he felt um at uh somebody started beating
00:03:15.040 on him actually throwing punches at him and uh he pulled out a gun and shot the man that he said
00:03:23.200 was assaulting him it's all alleged at this point it's we really don't have all that much information
00:03:29.720 on this it's very sparse I haven't heard any witnesses I've heard from him there's a audio
00:03:41.020 recording of Dalton speaking to the cops because he inadvertently shot himself while he was trying
00:03:50.900 to shoot the offended gentleman that was punching him all alleged so he talked to the cops
00:03:59.500 which, yeah, if there's any lawyers listening, you know what I'm going to say.
00:04:04.780 What are you doing?
00:04:07.000 What are you doing?
00:04:08.360 I don't care how right you feel you are in a circumstance, a legal situation.
00:04:16.180 You don't say anything.
00:04:18.480 You do not say a word to anybody.
00:04:22.900 Lawyer.
00:04:23.700 That's what you say, lawyer.
00:04:25.480 I want to speak to my lawyer.
00:04:28.760 Because even if you're saying things that you think are advantageous to a case
00:04:35.360 that you are definitely going to have in the future, they can turn things around.
00:04:41.800 The prosecution can take anything you say.
00:04:44.240 It can and will be used against you in a court of law.
00:04:48.960 That's very important.
00:04:50.620 Not only it can or it might or this, it will.
00:04:55.300 Well, I didn't say anything that doesn't make me look anything but innocent.
00:05:00.700 Oh, really?
00:05:02.100 How about that?
00:05:03.080 Because the prosecution has a completely different take on what you said,
00:05:07.420 whether it's your alibi, your excuse for doing what you did,
00:05:11.380 how you did it, why you did it.
00:05:13.380 All this stuff can and will be used against you in a court of law.
00:05:18.820 So keep your trap shut.
00:05:21.340 But also the self-defense aspect of this whole thing,
00:05:26.660 because this is really what it's all about.
00:05:30.760 Dalton, I believe, will try to say this was self-defense in a court.
00:05:39.220 And once you do that, you're pretty much saying you did it.
00:05:45.500 That's the whole thing of a self-defense case.
00:05:48.300 Yes, I shot this guy, but here are the circumstances, and here's why the law is on my side, and this was self-defense.
00:06:02.280 So if your self-defense case caves in on you, you pretty much confessed to the murder or wounding, as it was in this case.
00:06:15.040 He didn't kill the guy that was attacking him.
00:06:18.300 So, a self-defense case is tricky.
00:06:25.300 You have to have a number of criteria that come into play.
00:06:31.760 You cannot have been the aggressor.
00:06:36.340 You must have absolutely felt that your life was in imminent danger of being taken.
00:06:44.420 uh there are other ones too that that are very important to the uh self-defense
00:06:51.240 uh to that defense the self-defense defense but um the from what i'm hearing a lot of people
00:07:02.100 are their opinion is that he doesn't have a chance in hell all based on what he was doing
00:07:09.240 not just on that day not just when it happened but his record of being a provocateur and
00:07:17.920 one of these guys that walks around trying to piss people off until they take a swing at him
00:07:23.620 or or do whatever he's made a lot of incendiary comments on social media he has said things to
00:07:32.760 the effect of the only way this ends is with somebody of color being dead on the ground in
00:07:39.320 front of me. So all of these things are going to be taken into consideration. And I'm certain the 0.59
00:07:46.300 defense is going to try its best to keep these things out, saying that what he said and what
00:07:53.740 he was doing online and on social media doesn't have any relevance to the circumstance that led
00:08:01.200 to him shooting somebody it doesn't matter what he said what matters is what transpired between
00:08:08.960 these two men on that day at that moment and um saying that somebody's speech what they're saying
00:08:21.240 is a valid reason to resort to physical, hands-on violence.
00:08:30.500 That's a very emotional thing.
00:08:34.020 This whole case is very emotionally charged.
00:08:36.860 You have the race angle in there.
00:08:38.720 You have the First Amendment, the Second Amendment's in there.
00:08:43.300 So emotion, while it's supposed to not have a place,
00:08:51.240 In a courtroom, you're dealing with evidence and facts and what happened,
00:08:59.700 not how you feel, the emotion that this brings out in people.
00:09:06.700 So you have to pretty much be of the mindset that if someone says something to you
00:09:14.220 that you find offensive, you have a right in some way, shape, or form
00:09:19.780 to physically harm that person.
00:09:24.200 And that starts this case off.
00:09:28.380 Again, you cannot, in a self-defense case,
00:09:33.820 you as the person that used the weapon in self-defense
00:09:39.200 can't be the instigator.
00:09:42.060 You can't have started it.
00:09:43.880 Now, does verbally offending someone fall into that criteria of starting the problem?
00:09:53.120 That's what's going to be argued.
00:09:55.120 I don't think it rises to the occasion.
00:09:58.780 I think the law dictates that you can say things.
00:10:03.060 There might be consequences. 0.84
00:10:04.980 You could get punched in the face. 1.00
00:10:07.360 Most people would say, yeah, that guy deserves to be punched in the face. 0.99
00:10:11.460 But legally, does that person have a right to punch you after you've just said something that offends you? 0.95
00:10:19.860 That's the big, big part of this because that's what started the whole thing between these two men that ended with Dalton shooting the guy.