#107： The Champion's Blueprint With Dr. Jeff Spencer
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Summary
Well, we all want to be successful in our lives, and it s not just economically successful, but we also in our personal lives, our family lives, fitness, health and fitness, community service, church service, etc., whatever, and our guest today argues that success is a skill that can be acquired through practice. His name is Dr. Jeff Spencer, and he s coached world-class athletes including Olympians, including olympians. He s also a former Olympian himself as well as a former Olympician himself. And today, on the podcast, Dr. Spencer and I discuss his program called the Champions Blueprint, where we discuss the science of success, the mindset you need to develop to develop the systems, and the teams of people you need around you in order to be your best self even if you re not a high-level athlete.
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brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast well we all want to
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be successful in our lives and it's not just economically successful but we want to be
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successful in our personal lives our family lives our fitness our community service church service
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whatever and our guest today argues that success is a skill that can be acquired through practice
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his name is dr jeff spencer and he's coached world-class athletes including olympians he's
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also a former olympian himself as well as ceos and today on the podcast dr jeff spencer and i discuss
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his program called the champions blueprint we discuss the science of success the mindset you
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need to develop the systems you need to put in place the teams of people you need around you
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in order to be your best self even if you're not a high-level ceo how you can apply this
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for the average joe it's a really fascinating discussion with lots of practical takeaways
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i think you're gonna like it so let's do this dr jeff spencer
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dr jeff spencer welcome to the show it is such a pleasure i can't thank you enough for the privilege
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so tell us how did you wind up doing what you do because it's a unique thing you you basically
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coach success to olympians professional athletes ceos how do you wind up doing that
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well it's uh sort of interesting number one uh the path was through a uh very interesting background
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where my dad was an artistic genius uh and he died homeless on the streets in new york city
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so i realized that talent and will and technique and technology are never going to save anybody so
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that is certainly a requirement but that's not the answer i also realized when i was a kid that
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wanted to be an olympian that the biggest and the baddest didn't win it was always the people on paper
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that shouldn't that did and i was curious about that then when i had my mentors come into my life
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once my dad had abandoned the family they shared with me all their secrets on how they became
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iconic in their industries and i realized well it's not the industry it's about them and it's about
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how they show up because they don't have the best pedigree but yet they're always first in line to grab
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the brass ring where all the people with the best pedigrees are still scratching their head when these guys
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have already grabbed the brass ring and moved on and so as a result of that um i did become an olympian
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so i know what it's like to compete at the top unless you've been there you can't possibly
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understand it and you cannot go out and study successful people and necessarily help people
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become one you have to have lived that experience itself i also was successful um almost as a
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scientist uh as a i have a master's degree in uh exercise physiology so i really understand the body
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i know what it takes to get to the top i understand what's required to have the physical resources to be
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able to make your dreams come true whether that's in the locker room or the boardroom it doesn't matter
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you've got to really have physical capacity and as a result of that i had people come to me that
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were very interested in how do i get to the top of my game but how do i finish that off by staying
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there and creating a long and lasting legacy of contribution and meaning so i got asked a lot of
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other questions about health and fitness injury prevention injury management uh so on and so forth
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so i went back and i became a chiropractor i was international sports chiropractor of the year so
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i really became that go-to guy that could look at the entire universe of an individual
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individual and dissect it and see what had to happen to be able to move them forward
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into their greatness and their greatest leverage and what the discovery really was
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is that the people that had the readiness for the pivotal moments there are maybe three or four or five
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pivotal moments that occur each year that will determine the success or the failure of a person's
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business and of their life and so i observed that and because i had a background in basically
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everything i wasn't really a coach you know a coach is someone that helps you on a specific
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item or a slice of the pie to be applied at some point later um that's not what i did and it's like
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i wasn't really a mentor i didn't hold people's hands down the path of the promised land but because i was
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very successful in five or six different areas i take people in any area to get to the top of their
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game and stay there so really what i do is more of a corner man type of feature where there's nothing
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that you can't talk to me about because i understand just about everything and i can take
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your universe and i can dissect exactly what the path is so you have the readiness to be able to
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convert those opportunities and carry momentum forward to your bigger and your greater future
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okay so you started off in sports how did you get with like ceos did they come to you
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was that something like yeah okay well because their deal is okay well you're an olympian so you must
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know something about getting to the top which which you're absolutely correct i mean even though
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it was sports sports was a technical side of it business has a technical business side to it right
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but what about the ceo it's like how do you show up in leadership how do you guide a team to a bigger
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future that's all about you it's exactly the same thing as sport as it is in stage as it is in the
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boardroom it's exactly the same thing so it was a very easy transition okay so you argue in um your book
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turn it up and you say that success is a skill it is that anyone can learn so if success is a skill
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what are the practices that make up that skill and how does one become skilled in success well let's
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sort of define what a champion is first and foremost whether that's in business sport or whatever someone
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that can consistently deliver on the promise of their skill and their talent and a bigger better and vital
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future and contribution to other people so if i look at that level of definition that's someone
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that has the readiness for the pivotal moments to be able to achieve their champion goals that avoid
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preventable problems that's a big deal you got to be able to avoid preventable problems without losing
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time and momentum so that being said having the success that i did with people sports business boardroom
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locker room on stage off stage it doesn't matter to me i looked at having done this for 40 years like
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what is the common thread that they all share and i recognized because i actually drew what it looked
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like on a napkin in a restaurant and there were eight different steps that every prolific performer
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goes through without exception there are no exemptions that develop the capacity to be able to
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develop that readiness for those pivotal moments that carry momentum forward to the bigger future
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there are eight very specific steps that every performer goes through is this your champion's
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blueprint then yes yes that's the champion's blueprint so what are those those steps
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well step number one is legacy it's important to have a broader context for what it is that you
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are ultimately going to achieve and what you are actually are going to leave as an individual i always
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think it's important to lead with the end in mind and it's like if you have a legacy statement then you
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have a context that keeps you in integrity and keeps your decision making in integrity to make sure that
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you're moving towards the future and the legacy that you want to leave most people don't do that
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most people start and they begin the process of pursuing your goal with the idea of getting to
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the top and the top is really in the champion blueprint not the finish line the top is actually at nine
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o'clock there are two steps above top there's master and then there's also champion that's step one
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step number two is vision a vision is not a goal the goal is again getting to the top a destination
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vision is really how do you see yourself once you achieve your goal what does that do to you what is
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the level of credibility what is the value that you have in your belief how is it that you call other
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people to a higher game through the achievement of that goal and the reason why vision is important
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is that it gives you the clarity to be very clear and have a very well-defined purpose for what you get up
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and commit to each and every day step number three is mindset i'm not talking about positive thinking
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i'm not talking about a perfect gre or 180 degree or 180 uh iq i'm talking about do you really have
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the knowledge and do you really understand and do you have the fortitude to be able to engage all the
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challenges in the processes that you will engage in route to being able to achieve your goal do you
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really have that you set you have a set of standards that you call everybody to that you run your major
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you you run your process against you got to have that mindset if you don't have a mindset you don't
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have a legacy you don't have a vision don't start because you're not ready because what that does that
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creates an emotive force that makes actually the ambition to get to the goal the goal actually alive
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in in in real uh step number uh four is um inventory and before anybody begins before you've got any skin
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in the game make sure that you have a vetted inventory of skills and knowledge that you must
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have as an individual and leadership and you must also have a vetted list of material resources time space
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uh equipment team etc before you go live boots on the ground and if you go through those four steps
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then you're ready to go into division two of the champion blueprint which is the performance side
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where you're actually kind of opening the doors and actively pursuing your goal step number five is
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climb the wall and when i talk about climb the wall this is uh where you're actually developing the
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perseverance and you're developing the critical mass to be able to have your first breakout performance
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where you perform for the first time in line with your expectation it's very similar to malcolm
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gladwell's 10 000 hours to develop the capacity to perform at the level consistent with your goal
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now once you've had your breakout performance it confirms to you and everybody else hey i can actually
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do this then you have to duplicate that so you own the technical process and that's step six
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which is called elevation and this is where you own your product you can reproduce it
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it you will never ever not get it right and once you are performing at that level then you're at the
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best of the best in your discipline or in line with your expectation then that begins step number seven
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which is adaptation because once you achieve your goal particularly at a very high level once you get to
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the top you inherit a whole other set of challenges beyond your technical skill and those have to do with
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external forces that will significantly challenge you people places and things they're going to come
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after you because you got a target on your back and if you're not ready for the acceleration of
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responsibility at that level then there's no way that you can run at the top indefinitely it
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absolutely is not going to happen so when you have developed a system and the skill to be able to
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deal with the external circumstances that can take you out of the game and you match that with your
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technical skill then you've achieved mastery you really get the idea of what it really takes to
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perform at that level the perfect example is you too those guys can cut a platinum album just as
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easily as making another piece of bread or toast that's because they've mastered the process now if
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you've mastered the process then you have step number eight step number eight is the wave the wave is
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where you can pick and choose your ambitions this is where you have discretionary income this is where
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you have mastered the process of creation and this is where you can add the most significant number
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and magnitude of successes to your legacy but there's a problem and this is a big problem
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because generally people defer health and relationships along the process to get to the promised land and
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that's where the balloon payment has got to be paid back in terms of the health that's been deferred
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and where relationships have been deferred i have seen many people once they got it figured out
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they have a catastrophic relationship failure or they have a catastrophic preventable health issue
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because they deferred that process if you survive that then you have to survive the success intoxication
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most people aren't ready for that the temptations that you get once you're at the top are significant
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and i've seen people that can't manage that through a lifetime of preparation and achievement away in an
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instant by doing some preventable amateurish decision that basically takes them out of the game
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and if you've learned all of those skills and that eight steps then you have the capacity to be able
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to create the greatest legacy of distinction and be able to create the most valued life and the lifestyle
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that you have aspired to achieve there's a lot of great stuff there i want to unpack the little things
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that stuck out to me i love the idea of have focusing on vision rather than goals because in my experience
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it's like you know having goals is great but then the problem you run into is that you achieve a goal
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and you think when you set the goal that when you achieve it that you'll feel satisfied and you'll feel
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happy and then you you get there and you're just sort of like okay you know that's so classic that you
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would say that because actually getting to the top is actually a false summit because hollywood tells you
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that when you arrive there then you will be enriched and nourished you'll fill the void the vacuum that
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you've been striving so diligently for and it never delivers because the magnitude of the challenges
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once you get there you couldn't conceive of it in advance then the problem is is that if you don't
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know that it's coming and you can't run your blind spots that's the thing that could take you out of
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the game so you're absolutely right yeah like here's an experience from my own life so i went to law school
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and my my goal my first semester is like i want to be number one in my class like that was the thing
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number one and so i i worked i had a system i got it down to that and i when the grades came out and
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they you had to go to the front desk and they handed you a slip of paper and it had your they
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wrote the lady at the office wrote your rank on it i got it and it said one and i i thought i'd be
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really elated but i remember just sort of i remember the feeling was like it was sort of kind
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of a letdown like of how i felt because uh i don't know it was just really bizarre and then
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i had to like readjust uh my sort of my my expectations about things and so yeah i had
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to have like a bigger vision okay why am i doing this like why am i working so is it just for that
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number or is it there's some bigger purpose well that's what the legacy is all about that's why
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if you establish that up front then you can decide on your current trajectory whether that's the way
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whether that's the way your race is going to end or not and so really without that integrity filter
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then by default your passion is to get to the top often at all costs and people sometimes leave a
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trail of destruction 10 miles long behind they never deliver it but man did they get to the top
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correct yeah well my literal discussion i my health went down like i was surviving on protein bars and
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diet mountain dew it's classic i don't i don't recommend it's classic okay so uh be vision or and have a
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have a bigger vision and don't don't be so goal oriented that you brought up an interesting point
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about um some of the stuff that comes with success a lot of people they they focus on the positive
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of success like oh i'll have you know all these opportunities opened up to me uh people will
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recognize me i'll have money etc etc but there are some pitfalls to success um and some of those things
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could kind of make people afraid of success uh what are the the things how can someone be afraid
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of success you talk about this in your book turn it up yeah well the responsibility of success because
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once you've achieved it then the expectation is that that's now going to be your new normal
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and people have an idea in the sense of what time and effort it took to be able to get there and now
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i've got to keep that as my normal not in addition to the expectation to be able to receive that by raising
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my bar that can be extremely intimidating to people and quite honestly uh the reason why it's
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intimidating is that they don't have a plan or a strategy to be able to engage that because they
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don't understand that that's coming so like for example in the champion's blueprint since each of
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the steps is progressive you not only know where you are and you not only know what to do in that step
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to carry momentum forward but you also know the next step and you know what's coming so you're ready
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for the brass ring and you're also ready for the potable so you always know what's coming you're never
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taken by surprise and in my experience the punch that everybody should fear in business and in sport
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and on stage is the punch that they don't see that's coming and without a plan you're guessing
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and the conventional model is dream really big want it bad enough work hard you're going to close the gap
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and that's not true i know a lot of people that try really hard to basically go nowhere and so really
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in the champion blueprint the void or the empty space that can be closed by a better plan almost by default
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the plan can close it and that's really not what history tells us that's a sacred space that has to
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be managed you know the plan and the conventional work hard and want it bad enough that's like a gps
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you have a destination you got a starting point and then a voice tells you where to go away watch the
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picture great idea but what it doesn't show you is the live traffic patterns it does not show you the
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weather it does not show you the perspective from the local that says why don't you take this shortcut
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rather than what it says on the map i know what it says but that's not right so unless you can manage
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that space to be able to take your plan and implement it and move it forward progressively
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unless there's a vessel to hold that responsibly to negotiate that minefield the likelihood of being
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able to achieve a life of distinction and getting to your bigger goals in my view is almost nil so
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the champion's blueprint doesn't take the place of a big vision doesn't take the place of working hard
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and wanting that enough it's about protecting and preserving the path to make sure that you can negotiate
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and advance the initiative by carrying momentum from where you are to where you want to go
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here's something i'm curious about and you probably have some insight into this because you were olympian
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so you know if success is the new normal right how does an olympian for example or a high performance
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athlete adjust to life after their career right because like yeah i can understand i mean i can only
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speak for myself it's like when i came back from the olympics i can understand why astronauts go to the moon
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and they come back and they're bent because you can't look at anything else the same again it's just
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it skews your vision of what's possible and it skews your normal like mediocrity is like not
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acceptable correct because you really understand what's possible and you understand what it takes
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to get there so again you can't go back to a normal that once was it's now irrelevant you can't
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conceive of it so again you you make choices in a different way you place a different value on things
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because many of the things quite honestly that we look at that are the mantras of what it should be
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when we get there are complete myths and many of the mechanisms and promises that we follow to get to
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where we want to go they're hollow it's like working hard doesn't close the gap wanting it bad enough
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doesn't get you to where you want to go you you cannot get somewhere that the level of skill that
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you have will not enable so there's another reality there and that's one of the reasons why performing at
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the highest level is extremely challenging because um you're facing and asking a different set of
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questions that not everybody understands but yet it's proven itself to be the mechanism to carry you
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to the extraordinary where that becomes your normal rather than the exception it actually
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becomes your normal and it's not an accident it's a skill that's learned and it's a skill that's
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maintained by its application interesting so you mentioned uh that there's a point in that adaptation
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phase where uh it's you've come to that point where you start making mistakes where it's possible to start
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making mistakes um that can just ruin everything that you built are there any examples that stick out to
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you of highly successful people that threw it all away because of just really dumb mistakes yeah okay
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well so let's look at lance armstrong for example right right it's like he had the world he was the
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man great story amazing achievement correct but his legacy is probably about as low as it can get and
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can he get it back i don't know the answer to that yet but the point i want to make is that
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perhaps if lance had had a filter of integrity to look at and make decisions against while he was going
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through the process to the promised land that he had defined in advance he may not have made the
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choices that he did i mean that's an obvious chance same thing with tiger woods you know and i've worked
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with both of these guys not in this capacity but i spent time with them and so again most of these
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things really if we look at it dreams to me are predictable if you hold a dream in a certain reality
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they're predictable as are nightmares but unless we can locate where someone is in their process and
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that's what the champion blueprint is all about is that we can locate where you are then we know
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what's coming so there aren't surprises we can peek around the corner then you're playing roulette with
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your life basically i look at lance i look at tiger i look at the mistakes that people predictably make
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that people say it's normal no it's not normal this is a purpose this is a person does not have the
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readiness for what history tells us is a very high probability and unless we have that readiness then
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we're doomed to repeat we're doomed to repeat history there's no way that you can make it it's
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not possible yeah i guess when you reach that level of success you have a lot more to lose
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right i mean so the the fall is a lot harder well you do and that's one of the reasons why you need
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advisors and you can have coaches that will show you technical skills to keep you moving forward from
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a specialist perspective in one slice of the pie you can also have a mentor that can again hold your
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hand down the path to the promised land but where's the oversight of everything that includes
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your personal life and everything else that can take you out of the game i mean that's that's a
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corner man's issue yeah and that's why i said the corner man is absolutely the rarest most difficult
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of all of the advisory species because they have to be so well versed in everything to be able to see
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the complete picture to be able to make really good judgments about what the benefit the risks are of
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anything being considered so yeah let's go that that's kind of interesting point of sort of having a team
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right now you emphasize in today's i guess competent competitive landscape uh you you can't
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you can't become successful on your own it requires a team around you and i think we can
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understand that that's the case for world-class athletes you know they have dietitians trainers
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uh psychologists individuals like you ceos same thing they have all but what's it look like for
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the average joe who's who wants to go to a better place in his life right but he has a corporate job
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family um what is that what would a team look like for him well there's actually two teams you need a
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personal team and you also need a professional team so if we look at kind of the requirements uh
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in the personal team you obviously need a tribe you need a group of people that you fellowship with on
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a regular basis that share a level of common value and same altitude these are people that
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understand us we need that engagement to be able to get meaningful feedback from and counsel from
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you need that you uh you also need a wingman you need somebody that's always there watching your
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back 24 hours a day you can always call rain or shine sleet or snow they're always there to watch
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your back you got to have a wingman or two uh you've got to have a corner man the corner man is actually
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a bridge between your personal and your professional team because he's kind of an expert in everything
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and he sees both uh sides of the aisle and he can advise as to the integration of this and how to
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move forward with everything basically so the corner man in my view really becomes the key link
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you also need a family uh you need people to be responsible to that will call you to a higher game
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and perhaps take you someplace you're not able to go yourself so we need that and in terms of the
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performance team uh you've got to have a management team for sure you've got to have your technicians
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you've got to have your advisors uh those are the critical elements and when all of those are in
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symmetry then you have a system that has massive coherence where the output is always greater than
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the sum of the parts and in my experience no one wins alone it's not possible yeah it's been my
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experience too impossible um so we've been talking really big picture i'm curious if you have any
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like daily practices that everyone could take part in you know starting now that can help them achieve
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optimal success yeah i would say that you know the most prized commodity like right now is to make
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sure that you can carry momentum and you don't get deflected or you don't get stalled either from too
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many people places and things too many obligations or maybe you're indecisive you know those are all
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reasons why we stall the the risk of a stall is you may never give back the momentum you may just
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drift into oblivion which i find a abhorrent so i think a couple things are are really critical
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every morning uh when you get up i think it's important to do some level of meditative art where
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you're consciously uh committing and putting on the armor to successfully engage people places and
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things so that you start the day from a position of mental and physical strength so that you can make
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your decisions so at the end of the day it's a product of your vision you don't make everybody
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else's emergency your problem so there's got to be some contemplation whether it's traditional
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meditation maybe it's qigong yoga or whatever maybe it's prayer you decide what that is but
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there's got to be a pause where you're really connecting with yourself and your soul and your body
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to be able to start the day from an integrated perspective where you're not vulnerable to people
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places and things uh number two um for sure good nutrition because the body and the mind
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need good nutrition to run on and to be able to handle the physical and mental strain of the day
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because it just takes one mental lapse or drop in energy to create a catastrophic amateurish
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preventable mental error uh we also need um a connection with purpose for example before i go
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to work each day i look at a picture you know and the picture that i look at is that i look at a picture
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of myself and my wife and i also look at a picture of my adopted daughter and what this does this
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reminds me of why i go to work every day it's a purpose outside myself that's bigger for me
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and there's always enough energy to do anything on behalf of others the other thing that i always
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do before i go to work and engage people i decide how i'm going to show up that day am i going to
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show up and be of service to people or am i going to take things that may go wrong for me and make
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everybody pay for the things that aren't going right in my life you know i don't do that you know
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i make a very deliberate choice that i'm going to show up from the highest level of service
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to be able to call people to a higher game and give them the structure and the strategy
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to be able to do the next couple of steps to be able to move that ball forward down towards the
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enzyme to towards the end zone and it's a conscious choice that i make every day so you're very
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intentional with your days 100 only because i know that my legacy is dependent upon uh what i did with
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my time and what i did with my talent in every moment that i waste is a trespass against that yeah
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all right well jeff where can people learn more about your work in the the champions blueprint
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uh two places actually and thanks again for asking my website of course which is www
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drjeffspencer.com and for those that are interested in the workshop it would be
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www drjeffspencer.com forward slash workshop workshop all right jeff spencer thank you for
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thank you so much for your time it's been a pleasure i can't believe that our time's up best of
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luck to everybody onward and upward there's always room at the top for the best thanks again for
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just a delightful time thanks jeff our guest today was dr jeff spencer he's the author of
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turn it up and also the creator of the champions blueprint and you can find out more information
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about the champions blueprint program at drjeffspencer.com well that wraps up another edition
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