#109 Underground Strength With Zach Even-Esh
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Summary
In this episode of the Art of Manliness podcast, I had Zach on the podcast to discuss his philosophy towards strength training and talk about his book, "Underground Strength" by a fella named Zach Evanish.
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brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast for about the past
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year or so now i've had art of manliness readers reach out tweet me and tell me about this book
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called underground strength by a fella named zach evanish finally picked up a copy checked it out
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and it's awesome it's all about tires and using stones and you know deadlifts just really basic
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strength training that resonates with me i can see why i resonate with a lot of art of manliness
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readers and listeners so i had to have zach on the podcast discuss his philosophy towards strength
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training and talk about his book underground strength i think you're really going to like
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this a lot of great actionable takeaways from this that you can start using today and incorporate
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into your own strength and conditioning routines so zach evanish let's do this
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zach evanish welcome to the show great i'm excited to be here all right so you wrote this book called
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underground strength that's sort of like this underground cult classic i've had a whole bunch
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of art of manliness readers tell me about it uh so before we get there let's talk about
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the story of how you got into weight training you talk a lot about the underground strength training
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how you got into weight training it's actually really interesting uh you started off as sort of
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a bodybuilder right yeah so i've kind of been through the different stages of uh i guess you know
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if we put in general terms of fitness so i began uh training in 1989 uh i was just finishing up
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eighth grade so a long time ago and even before that you know my brother would always lift weights
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in his room he had an old joe weeder bench from sears he had sand filled weights and i would go and
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i would try to work out and it would last for a few workouts and then i would stop and start again and
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that was throughout middle school sixth seventh grade and i remember in seventh grade like questioning
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myself saying you know what's wrong with me why can't i stay committed to working out you know is
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this something wrong with me i was 12 years old at the time questioning you know if uh if uh if
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something if i had some sort of like unique problem that that other uh 12 year old kids have or don't
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have and um in the in the last few weeks of school of eighth grade i started working out regularly
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in my brother's room and i i i opened up for uh not the first time this was a gift from our grandfather
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the encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding from arnold schwarzenegger and i just started following those
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workouts and i remember exercising at the beginning something like a monday wednesday friday and then it
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became a monday tuesday thursday friday and i remember after two or three weeks i was like holy crap
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i i love this i'm not i'm not stopping like i used to stop and then uh you know not long into
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the summer i remember having like shirt sleeves cut off and a girl in the neighborhood was like
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oh my god look at these biceps and i remember thinking to myself like i had arrived that's awesome
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so that was the uh my beginning in training and all the information back in the late 80s the early 90s
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not all of it but really the stuff that was coming across my eyes as far as magazines and books was
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you know very much what i call the pretty boy bodybuilding scene there wasn't all this talk
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of compound lifts and squatting and dead lifting and doing power cleans you just didn't come across
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articles like that although now i have a lot of old magazines from the 50s the 60s and even some
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magazines from the 80s where they had feature articles from dr ken leisner who uh was one of the
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earlier uh proponents and students of arthur jones who created nautilus and the high intensity
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training and he had articles that i wish i had come across because he had uh articles of college football
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players nfl football players um his sons talking about how he would get them to eat things like
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sending them to school with uh 12 uh tuna sandwiches and saying you know the rule is you don't come home
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with these sandwiches and you don't give them away so you find a way to eat them and he had pictures of
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the boys uh using uh anvils and odd objects and you know welded welded uh gas containers for farmer walk
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implements and i say wow that's the stuff i wish i came across so you know i was a bodybuilder in my
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earlier days and uh i was influenced in the wrong ways so as a high school wrestler i looked very strong
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and imposing but i didn't have you know the performance that was required to be successful
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as an athlete and not and even on a deeper level um it didn't really train me mentally to be tough
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to be confident to have you know that that uh instinct where i felt like i was prepared for battle
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because my training was perfect you know i would go to the gym it was always isolation exercises lots of
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machines and cables so that uh you know i learned the hard way that yes that stuff makes you look good
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but it doesn't help your performance physical or mental so you know i've been training since 1989
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and i haven't stopped so that's um i'm 39 now so 26 years of training yeah i thought your story kind
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of reminded me of mine because i started weightlifting too when i was in eighth grade and i got the uh the joe
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weeder bench i think i got it at like service merchandise do you remember service merchandise
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i think i've heard of those i mean we had like woolworths yeah we had independent uh sporting goods
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stores here you know in new jersey there's a lot of malls yeah and um my brother you know would always
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save up money he was a bus boy then i was a bus boy i remember we're busing tables i was in sixth
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grade and he would always save his money and spend it on gym equipment i remember he
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i think i wrote about that in the book he had us go to the uh sporting goods store at the mall where
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we had to ride our bikes across a a pretty busy highway and i remember riding my bike back with
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the 20 pounds the 10 pound plates in my book bag and i just couldn't keep up with him so he really
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inspired me to to be strong but i think i've heard of that store i mean yeah it was like one of
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these weird things you went in there and then like you picked out what you wanted and you'd like
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call this phone and like they would like bring it up on a conveyor belt i remember i was just really
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excited because it took me like a couple months to save up for it yes and then i set up in the garage
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and like yeah i found like this like book from the 70s that my dad had i had some like lifts you know
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you know some sumo lifts and bench press and right and it was like it was it was awesome i mean i
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really wasn't pulling you know pushing much weight or pulling much weight but uh it it scratched that itch
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and it began something that i still continue to this day yeah the i wish you know i say i have
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a lot of books and i save them all so i could pass them on to my son because i don't know what circle
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of you know fads or gimmicks will come around next in the fitness world and i want him to you know that's
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obviously also a big inspiration behind the book was i wanted something that my kids would be proud of
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but i have some very very old books from early 1900s of um strength training as well as old magazines
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from like i mentioned the 40s the 50s the 60s and back then
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you know they were titled appropriately so the magazine was uh strength and health or health and strength
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and they had a blend of um you know training that actually was good for your health and made you strong
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so there was a lot of um kind of um you know basic bodybuilding movements power lifting there was a
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lot of olympic weight lifting in these books gymnastic drills and real simple straightforward stuff no bs
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and you know i want my son to read that stuff as well as my daughter i want them to see that um versus the
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stuff that's kind of teaching them that it's six weeks to this you know 30 days to that because
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you know as you said you've been training since eighth grade so over half our lives oh you know
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well over half our lives you know two-thirds of my life i've been exercising for and it's not a 30 day or
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six week you know shortcut it's a it's a every day all the time you know all in process yeah yeah yeah i collect
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some of those old fitness magazines as well yeah i'm surprised like how strong those bodybuilders were
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right they were like genuinely strong and like yeah the emphasis on gymnastics was always really
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it's always really surprising to see like you know you need to do a handstand yeah right this was like
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this was before cross like you know 50 years before crossfit where the people are doing handstands
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but like they were doing it back in the golden age of bodybuilding right they did uh that's what you
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know muscle beach was it was they had the weight pit and then they had all the gymnastic rings they
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still have the traveling rings they had the parallel bars and even inside arnold's encyclopedia he talks
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about like his conditioning he would he would ride his bike he would sprint he would swim uh out in the
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ocean so even the big guys were doing that and dave draper um has spoken about that lots and lots of
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times and um that stuff always inspires me because they weren't close-minded they weren't one-sided yes
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they were big but they also wanted to have the performance aspect and i thought that was that
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was something that uh is just i love that yeah all right so you started listening in your eighth grade but
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then this jersey kid you became a bodybuilding champion in israel how did that happen that's kind of a
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weird story yeah so um i was born in israel and my family we moved here uh well we moved to new york
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we moved to the states when i was just shy of a year my parents always tell me that i was i learned to
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walk on the plane on the plane here so we moved we lived in the bronx uh for about four years and then
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we moved to new jersey and uh you know as i said started getting into the bodybuilding and that's what i fell
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in love with i would look at these magazines and read them and i purchased every book from the bookstores
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back when uh long before the internet was out back when people did buy from bookstores and uh bodybuilding
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was just i feel like uh bodybuilding and lifting weights saved my life you know i uh talk about in the book
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how i started going through bouts of depression and um i i was uh this at the time i was you know
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started competing in bodybuilding i was a freshman uh it was the summer before sophomore year in college
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so i just finished my freshman year in college and uh every couple years we would go back to israel to
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visit my grandparents and um my brother was in the israeli military at the time and he was telling me
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that there's this guy who owns the small gym now in town back then there would be i mean you could
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not find a gym in israel i would just go do uh 20 sets of pull-ups every other day that the years
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before that going to israel but there was a gym there and i went to that gym and uh it was very very
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small i mean oh it must have been like 500 square feet 550 square feet super small the owner saw me
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and uh i was 18 back back at the time and uh my brother introduced me to him and he saw me and said
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he goes you have to compete in this teenage mr israel it was called the young mr israel 18 and under
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and he's like it's in a couple of weeks he saw me you know i had a tank top on he's like you need to
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compete and i was going through this bout of depression just really just broken down and i was
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like no i don't think i want to do it i don't think i'm ready and uh every day i'd show up at
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the gym and i would train and um he would ask me over and over and i'd kept saying no no and then one
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day um one night at home i remember i'm at my grandparents and i'm just thinking to myself like
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what the hell like i've always read all these bodybuilding magazines i read arnold's education
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of a bodybuilder hundreds of times i mean i memorized the book and i wanted to live that
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experience of competing and you know how he broke out of the austrian military broke broke over the
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fence to compete in the in the young mr europe or the junior mr europe and i remember saying to myself
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like is this what you're going to do you're going to be an excuse maker you're going to be weak you're
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not going to challenge yourself and i remember i i just said to myself that's it it's time to change
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time to you know be a strong person so i the next morning i went to the gym and i remember uh the day
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or two before that the gym owner abner said i'm gonna give you one more chance i'm gonna ask you one
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more time he had been asking me for two weeks and uh i remember i got to the gym and there was nobody in
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the gym and he was just sitting there it seemed like he was just waiting all day i got there that
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night late at night i would usually get there and um he's like okay last chance you're gonna do this
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or not and i said yes i'm gonna compete and uh he's like he's like that's it let's train right now
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and then we trained together it was myself the gym owner and this guy joe who was uh who was a former
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uh army paratrooper and he was trying to get into the israeli seal team and uh the three of us wound up
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training it was like two weeks leading up to it but we would train twice a day all the time i mean
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it was just super intense it was it was amazing and i went on to win the young mr israel and there was
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like about 20 kids competing and it was amazing we competed not you know most bodybuilding shows are
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inside a high school theater maybe a college theater right this was in an amphitheater i mean it was
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friggin amazing the the stars you know the sky was open um it just blew me away so i competed and uh
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i was age uh 18 and i won the uh won the young young mr israel this was 19 94 okay that's a long time
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ago all right so you jumped from bodybuilding then you did a stint with mixed martial arts how did that
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happen yeah so i was uh you know after you know the young mr israel the next year i also competed
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a couple times and i took first place and second place in a few bodybuilding shows natural bodybuilding
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shows one of them and um then uh after uh a little bit after that is when i graduated college i became a
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teacher and i kind of was getting that itch to uh to kind of defeat my inner demons i was a high school
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wrestler and and super disappointed in my performance as a high school wrestler especially
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with the work i put into it and uh as i got older i started developing just a different sense of
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confidence i mean i was feeling like a man i wasn't afraid to go out and battle anybody on a wrestling
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mat and i was like man i'm ready i was coaching uh wrestling at the time i was coaching at a middle
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school high school um and i was also as i was an adjunct at a community college and an adjunct uh
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professor and i remember um i was brought i met up with the wrestling coach and wrestled with some of
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the guys and i took it to him and i was like man i'll i could wrestle anybody so at the time it wasn't
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called uh mixed martial arts it was called nhb no holds barred fighting and a lot of the dominant
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uh fighters were uh college wrestlers old college wrestlers i mean it was guys like um
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oh of course i'm forgetting the name they you know uh mark kerr guys you know a lot of these ohio state
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wrestlers um kevin randleman mark coleman i mean they they were the ground and pound guys
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uh this is the early 90s oh no late 90s so i'm looking and looking and i find a place
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uh online and uh it was a place about 25 minutes away inner city called uh they were teaching shoot
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fighting shoot fighting was like open palm strikes it was what they were doing a lot in japan
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so i went to that place and started getting involved with muay thai and jujitsu and there wasn't a
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whole lot of instruction i mean it was more like show up and just you're gonna wrestle you're gonna
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box you're anybody who's there is there to fight and uh started doing that and um started getting
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really into it and there was uh i didn't compete in any kind of uh striking fights but i competed
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in like the earlier days of the grapplers quest nationals i mean today there could be probably a
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hundred people competing in your weight class when i competed i think there was like eight of us or 12
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of us and i had a super close uh overtime loss to a judo black belt and i was so fired up i was like
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i will never lose again and it also boosted my confidence being i was just you know my competitive
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days was only high school four years of high school instruction but i had been wrestling and
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coaching wrestling since the day i graduated high school so my confidence was up and i started
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training hard hard hard and i tore my acl in training and that was really the moment that
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changed my life and inspired me to uh become a strength coach or just to become a coach in general
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you know i was wanting to in this weird way save the world of combat athletes and help them train
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smarter so they wouldn't go through all the disappointments that i went through and uh since
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then i've i've just been like possessed i don't know i just refuse to lose at anything i do you know
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i've been there before the losses so i know that the mindset is the key so uh once i started uh
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once i got had that acl injury and then i had my acl repair it was like i started this mission
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where i was like gonna change the world of training combat athletes so from from the get-go i started
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researching business with training and i started putting out information probably around
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2003 maybe maybe even 2004 something like that it's definitely been well over 10 years
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that i started creating you know ebooks and stuff like that i mean i was getting
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pdf like adobe pdf maker bootleg editions off of ebay you know to make a pdf so it's been a long time
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so tell us about how did okay it seems like everything you've been your life so far with the the weight
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training when you're a teenager the wrestling the bodybuilding the mma you know the grappling
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led up to underground strength training so i mean i guess what is the underlying philosophy of
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underground strength training yeah when i was first asked that question a guy was interviewing me
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and he's like describe what you guys do and at the time the big fad was this quote-unquote functional
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training where everybody was had to train on a stability ball or you had to train on an unstable
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surface or you you were using all these expensive cable pulleys and you know everything was just
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circus tricks i mean it was just crazy and i wasn't doing that at all you know we were i had guys
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swinging sledgehammers i had them chopping wood i had tree logs in the backyard where we would carry them
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squat them we were climbing ropes that were slung around trees we were lifting stones i mean pushing
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trucks and i just felt like we didn't follow any of those rules you know and many of the popular
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coaches back then they laughed at me you know they were like ah you know that's some stupid stuff that
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guy's an idiot and i think if i was younger i would have cowered today and i would have you know had my
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lack of confidence but i was like you know what look at our results you can't argue with our results
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the kids that i was training the athletes they were coming to me weak they were not winning wrestling
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matches they were not starting on the football team at all i mean some of them were you know one kid
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broke a collarbone he was so weak and um i started churning out kids that became all area football
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players uh all state wrestlers state champ wrestlers all american wrestlers and i looked at it like we
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weren't following the rules of what the norm was but now the way i look at it is i just don't
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discriminate against anything that can make you stronger faster tougher so i'm not the guy that says
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you only use kettlebells you only use power lifting i don't i feel like that's just a closed-minded way
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it's an arrogant you know way to think i look at what is the best thing for this individual physically
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as well as emotionally so the training i do is a blend of of physical and mental but uh we use
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all training tools from free weights to kettlebells to dumbbells to odd objects like you know tires and
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you know all kinds of different shape and size sandbags stone so when you see our training
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you'll notice a wide variety of implements being used and i found that it's great because it not just
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gets them physically stronger but man it gets people tough it gets people tough and even for
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people think oh he's just training high school athletes i've got a good amount of adults that
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train with me and it makes them tougher in life it's just like they apply the struggles through our
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training and they become more successful in life because they're able to kind of look at life and
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lifting as the same it makes them stronger it teaches them how to handle obstacles from work
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and things like that so underground is really just not discriminating against the tools or the methods
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that deliver results so i'm really open-minded and and it's always evolving constantly evolving i think
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people are misconstrued with it because they feel like there's not a lot of science behind our training
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which there is there's a lot of science but the most important thing is it's all application because
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certain things look really good in these um scientific uh training manuals written by you know doctors of
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exercise science but they don't always hold true when you're actually training um a group of athletes or a
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specific athlete or sometimes those scientific you know uh i don't know if i want to call them rules but
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those scientific theories they don't they may apply better for one sport than they do for another
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sport so there's a lot of things that i look at when i'm training and i really individualize training
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for the person for their needs whether whether it's sport life whether it's the the mental aspect that
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they need you know i i blend a lot of it together so i don't just learn and um incorporate stuff
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from the strength and conditioning world but i i also a lot of people who follow me know i'm i'm very
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much connected to uh the military especially you know the elite forces of how they train and i i blend
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a lot of those things into what we do to to maximize our results that's what it's about results all right
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so you got uh yeah you flip me through the book you see a lot of like just cool exercises like yeah
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splitting wood the sledgehammer tire pulls but you also have uh squats shoulder press you know the
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barbell exercise as well i mean is there any type of programming with it or i mean how does
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you know if someone were to do this like how would they decide like what they should do and for like
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how long i mean what's the programming behind it so in the book um i didn't just give i gave sample
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workouts broke them down into like sample beginner workouts sample intermediate sample advanced
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workouts but leading up to that i write about blending science with hell you know blending kind
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of like this good training program that kind of follows the rules along with things that are going
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to test your mental toughness that are going to push you physically outside of your comfort zone to
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help you grow not just physically but grow in your mentality and even on a deeper level you know the
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warrior spirit that mark divine talks about from seal fit so when we train uh some of our workouts could
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be full body workouts sometimes they're focused more upper body or focused more on lower body
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but you know a lot of our workouts you know if you come and see our gym see our guys training of all ages
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we start with a warm-up it's it's a blend of just movement sometimes it's got gymnastic drills like
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tumbling and cartwheels other times it's got some light bodybuilding work in there like dumbbell
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benching and maybe kettlebell clean and press or some light kettlebell snatches uh sled drags so we're
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we're utilizing programming that is a blend of building strength building muscle um and and overall
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athleticism so is there a program to follow yes but i never give a blanket program and say this is what
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everybody needs it all starts with when i'm training people how do they move you know you might be very
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strong you could deadlift 405 bench 315 but you can't do a push-up with unless your feet your hands
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are elevated or you can't do a lunge you don't have the unilateral leg strength or the stability in your
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ankles knees and hips to to push yourself off one leg so i look at those things before i determine
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this is the workout that everybody has to follow you know to me i want to see people having uh general
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fitness you've got to be in shape if you're all the way on one end of the spectrum very very conditioned
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but then very weak i'm not a fan of that or if you're very very strong but you're winded when you
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got to walk up a flight of stairs or you can't play with your kids because you know you're too big like
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i don't like to see those things unless really that's your area of focus you know if you're a
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power lifter maybe that's where you're going to be you know you got to chase the extremes if you're a
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all-out ultra marathoner you may not have a lot of strength although uh i think many of them are kind
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of learning that you know you don't have to be weak and also be uh to be an ultra uh runner or ultra
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swim or any of that stuff so there's no set plan until i see that person move because movement to
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me is is number one if you move like i want to fix that first and foremost you bring up an interesting
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point there about the difference between athleticism and strength i mean what is that difference and
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if you're just an average joe schmo like right you know i'm married dad i don't really play sports
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anymore except for the occasional pickup basketball game like why should i be athletic
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well an occasional pickup basketball game is where a lot of a lot of unathletic guys you know start
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getting hurt like tearing acls or jamming up their ankle oh i jumped and i rolled my ankle and you hear
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this shit all the time but what's unique is you know i look back to my high school days i don't ever
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recall a kid saying i tore my acl i've got to get acl surgery nobody told me they were getting tommy
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john surgery there's no such thing as little leaguer's elbow these are all words that have
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been created because of overuse and over specialization so there's a lack of balance so
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when i tore my acl you know looking back at those days was my training program was bodybuilding
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leg extensions and and not not really doing too much machines not enough stability work poor mobility
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so my body just was you know if it was put in a compromised position my joints were not prepared
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for it and and the reason why the body gets hurt is because it's not prepared for what you're doing
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so athleticism you know i look at it as a blend having strength the ability to move to be healthy
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uh to be able to handle whatever it is that you're doing so if you're a power lifter and you don't have
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kids to play with and you're not playing pickup games then your athleticism and your health won't
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really be challenged uh because you just know how to go to the gym and squat heavy and deadlift heavy
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and things are different for guys like you and i who become fathers you start looking at your training
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differently you know i remember when i strained my lower back and my back was killing me while i was
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giving my daughter a bath you know she was a baby she was a couple months old and that was the first
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time i started saying like screw this you know i'm not gonna let my training interfere with being a dad
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and uh you know so when i look at athleticism i don't look at it in relation to a sport i look at it in
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relation to your life so if your training is uh messing up your life then we've got a problem unless of
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course um you're zoned in if you're training for the olympics then your life is the preparation you
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know joe de senna always talks about that um i'm not sure what uh rowing team what country they're
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from but they had that blog called will it make the boat go faster and they were like hey you guys
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want to go see a movie tonight and they say will it make the go the boat go faster they say no all right
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we're not going to the movies you know that's when you're in the zone and you're being extreme but
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when you become a parent your uh your your view of training um whether you like it or not it has
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to change you need to be healthier you need to be able to play with your kids you need to be able to
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uh balance your training and not be on the extremes of basically beating the crap out of your body where
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you're unable to function uh with playing with your kids and as you said it doesn't have to be a pick
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a game of basketball what if the kids out front want to play soccer or you go bike riding you want
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to be able to do those things and to me that's the most important thing to me it just i don't care how
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much i squat bench or deadlift anymore although i'm inspired to always lift heavier um i don't like
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i i change my training anytime i feel that it's interfering with being a great father
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guys are listening to this podcast right now what can they start doing today to apply the philosophy
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under of underground strength in their own life i i say uh don't be afraid to get uncomfortable so
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you're always going to the to the globo gym uh that's you know got the air conditioning or the heat
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and it's got the tvs then one day i want you to go to the local playground and get get get going with
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your hands on the monkey bars on the parallel bars go and find a stone and just carry it as long as you
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can or do cleaning presses with the stone put the car in neutral and push it across the empty parking
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lot a couple of times go out and train in a way that takes your body out of its normal realm of
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training and you'll start developing a much uh a much more unique style of training and you're also
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going to feel like your mind is evolving differently you know we guys like you and i with you know art of
00:33:21.040
manliness and we talk about the confidence factor and and being tougher that kind of training in this
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unique way it breeds self-confidence you just feel like you have a bit of that alpha male going on inside
00:33:37.040
of you because you're like all right i know i'm not checking my cell phone in between sets i'm not looking
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in the mirror i don't i'm not relying on the music that's going through the gym to motivate me i'm
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outside training amongst mother nature whether it's hot or cold out and you start to get a little bit of
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that edge and that is important man should never lose that edge and that's something that you can
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train to acquire and you could also lose it by training and really living the wrong way living in a way
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that doesn't make you uncomfortable and that's that's a scary place for me i don't ever you know
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i don't when i find myself getting a little comfortable that's when i make sure i go and
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train outside you know i own two gyms and uh especially when the weather's nicer but even in
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the winter i make sure i get outside and do some training yesterday was a was a nice snowstorm here
00:34:32.240
i got to the park with my kids i was sprinting with them as they as they sat in the in the sleighs i
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was chasing them were up and down on the playground and in between chasing them i hopped up on the bars
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and did dips and doing that stuff just it puts my mind in a different place i start saying in the back
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of my head like yes this is strong you know training while the snow is blowing and nobody else is you
00:34:57.720
know out here training like this in the cold it gives you a a great uh confidence factor and then
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i take that confidence and i apply it to my work in in all factors of work whether it's you know my
00:35:09.480
writing or my online or you know being willing to do the things that other gym owners aren't willing
00:35:15.360
to do that kind of training i just call it get comfortable being uncomfortable i'm gonna put this
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out there monkey bars hurt don't be deceived like i remember i did some i did some playground workout
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and i just i'm gonna do the monkey bar i hadn't done monkey bars since i was in elementary school
00:35:31.820
man that is really uncomfortable like it hurts your your shoulders like man it's it's a workout
00:35:38.440
yeah it's just because we're not 50 pounds yeah i know exactly right yeah it's uh you're you're bigger
00:35:45.840
so using your body weight becomes much more challenging and uh that stuff's important you
00:35:51.640
want to be able to move your own body uh i'm a big believer in body weight and calisthenic style
00:35:58.660
training before you're trying to lift the weights i want to see guys that could do push-ups jumping
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sprinting pull-ups dips i want to see all men being able to do that awesome well zach where can people
00:36:14.640
find out more about your work uh easiest way is go to underground strength.tv and uh if you just
00:36:21.560
google underground strength coach they'll see wow the facebook the twitter the instagram all the
00:36:28.180
youtube videos we've got i think over 1700 youtube videos with training mindset lot lots of stuff that
00:36:36.400
could be um easily applied but underground strength.tv would be great and uh the strong life podcast
00:36:43.240
they could find that as well on the blog awesome well zach evanesh thank you so much for your time
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it's been a pleasure cool thank you brett thanks everybody for listening our guest today was zach
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evanesh he is the author of the book underground strength and you can find that on amazon.com
00:36:58.100
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