The Art of Manliness - #117： The Ethos of the Craftsman With Peter Korn

00:00:00.000 brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast so this idea of

00:00:21.000 craftsmanship and the archetype of the craftsman i think is something very attractive to people

00:00:26.360 it resonates with us on a on a visceral level almost there's something about building things

00:00:32.560 with our hands from scratch that just is satisfying and there's something that we're

00:00:37.520 drawn to we'd rather buy something that we know was made by hand by a craftsman than some

00:00:43.160 manufactured mass-produced good but why is that why is it we have that attraction to building

00:00:49.500 things why is it that we we are attracted to this idea of the craftsman well our guest today has

00:00:55.040 written a book exploring that idea he's an actual craftsman he makes furniture he also founded a

00:01:00.300 furniture making school in maine his name is peter corn and he wrote a book called why we make things

00:01:05.640 and why it matters the education of a craftsman fascinating book on a fascinating topic and

00:01:11.020 today on the podcast we're going to discuss why what's this drive in us that wants that gives us

00:01:17.300 satisfaction to build things with our hands and then we're also going to talk about what craftsmanship

00:01:22.340 sort of the ethic of craftsmanship can teach us about living a good life a fantastic discussion

00:01:28.400 really fascinating delve deep into something uh some deep topics um so i think you're really

00:01:32.940 going to like this so without further ado peter corn on why you make things and why it matters

00:01:37.360 peter corn welcome to the show thank you brett thank you very much so you are a furniture maker

00:01:49.320 um who happens to write can you tell us how you got started into furniture making um because this

00:01:56.280 whole i think this idea when you started at least there really weren't a lot of

00:01:59.820 independent furniture makers so how did you get into that well i was fortunate enough to go to a

00:02:07.760 quaker high school in philadelphia germantown friend school which i think was a great education and then

00:02:12.860 go to the university of pennsylvania where i studied history but all that and i graduated from college in

00:02:18.500 1972 so i was sort of a 60s hippie kind of guy and all the time i was in school i felt like i was

00:02:26.740 living like second hand and real life must have been somewhere else and when i finished college

00:02:33.480 what i did was i took a job as a carpenter on the island of nantucket which at the time was a very

00:02:39.580 quiet uh forgotten place not not the bustling uh plutocracy plutolopolis that it is today 0.54

00:02:47.860 and um and i and i had never worked with my hands and i came from a background where my father was a

00:02:55.120 lawyer and my mother was an historian and they didn't know anyone at least socially who worked

00:03:00.280 with their hands and in their world working with your hands would really take you down the social

00:03:04.640 ladder so my father at least was pretty horrified that i took a job as a carpenter and i took that

00:03:10.540 job only because it was i moved to nantucket because i wanted to live in this rural beautiful

00:03:14.860 place and that was the first job that came along so it was much to my delightful and pleasant surprise

00:03:22.340 that i found out how rewarding and challenging carpentry was um if i may continue sure yeah uh my father

00:03:30.660 you know was quick to say well you know he was just worried that with a with work like that my my mind

00:03:37.960 was going to be underserved i was you know it was going to really be a truncated not that means short

00:03:44.740 and that's not the right word uh stifled a stifled sort of life however you want to put it mentally

00:03:50.200 stifled um and i found that carpentry engages your cognitive problem solving skills for example uh to a

00:03:59.060 huge extent it's it's the your brain is involved as well as your hand and um and i found that sort

00:04:06.460 of work a wonderful way to grow into adulthood at the age of 20 and so how did you go from carpentry

00:04:12.740 uh to designing furniture well that's sort of a leap it's a little bit of a leap but wood and tools

00:04:21.080 are involved uh so after two years as a carpenter i was when i'd been a carpenter for about two years

00:04:26.700 and was gaining some sort of confidence in my hands some friends of mine were having uh expecting

00:04:32.440 a child and this was the my first friends who were expecting a child and i wanted to make a cradle for

00:04:38.460 them so three days before the baby was due i took some pine and some dowels from the lumber yard

00:04:43.240 went into this unheated barn at the end of november uh where i froze my butt off um and and built a cradle

00:04:52.760 from a picture i'd seen in a book and at the end you know i went into that barn thinking that that i was

00:04:58.000 going to end up designing and building houses for a living and i walked out of that barn just passionate

00:05:05.000 to rediscover what seemed at that time 1974 like the lost art of furniture making this was before fine

00:05:12.900 woodworking came out or all the other woodworking journals that have been around now for decades

00:05:18.360 and then there was almost nowhere where you could formally learn fine woodworking in this country

00:05:27.100 there were two places you could go to the north bennett street school or the rochester institute of

00:05:31.820 technology but i was completely unaware of them i'd never met a craftsperson so for me uh it was like

00:05:40.280 trying to learn this craft and rediscover it for myself just from a few books published in england

00:05:46.020 and it turned out there were you know i thought i was doing this in isolation and i was but at the

00:05:51.640 same time there were probably thousands or tens of thousands of other people in this country of

00:05:57.440 of my generation turning to various crafts in the same ignorant way uh because we were looking for

00:06:05.400 lifestyles that would be more seamless and fulfilling than what we perceived our parents

00:06:09.740 world presenting to us so let's go to that question so i think when

00:06:14.520 people hear the word craftsman and let's at least this i do this at least you know they imagine you

00:06:21.040 know sort of the sturdy industrious independent man in his workshop with a beard probably leather apron

00:06:28.940 rolled up sleeves salt of the earth um and it's an archetype i think and that it's very attractive to

00:06:35.860 people and it's also it's become almost this like platonic ideal of what a craftsman is

00:06:41.200 but you make the case in your book that this idea of the craftsman that we have the sort of romantic

00:06:45.840 idea is a fairly recent creation um can you tell us about the arts and crafts movement of the 19th

00:06:53.940 century i'd be happy to um well so the place to start is to realize that that until the industrial

00:07:02.500 revolution which essentially took place between the late 1700s and late 1800s everything was made

00:07:09.120 by individual by by an individual by hand at what we would today say by hand uh and nothing was

00:07:19.620 meth produced there were no assembly lines there was you know there was no there was no power driven

00:07:25.260 machinery except for water driven freshing wheels or whatever grinding wheels and um and so there was

00:07:32.040 no need to to even have a concept like craft when everything was craft and then what happened is the

00:07:39.640 industrial revolution came on came along uh and i'm now speaking about europe specifically and even more

00:07:46.240 specifically england and and suddenly the trades where you work by hand many of them were displaced by

00:07:55.160 manufacturing and and so craftsmanship became redundant and uh and by the late 1800s that process had gone a

00:08:09.200 long way and there were there were people in england particularly john ruskin and william morris are the two

00:08:16.660 most familiar names who were very concerned as i guess as social philosophers that the conditions of labor

00:08:25.740 in manufacture were really demeaning to the workers themselves bad for them spiritually and bad for them

00:08:33.740 morally and that if workers if the work was bad for the workers then it and it was deleterious to their

00:08:42.120 characters that was bad for society so they invented the idea of craft as a an alternative method of making

00:08:52.600 things where the worker would be fully engaged in the full process and in the quality of what they do

00:08:59.040 because that would be more spiritually and morally beneficial to the worker and therefore society

00:09:04.520 and they before they invented craft before the arts and crafts movement invented craft in english the word

00:09:13.180 craft did not mean a type of a type of object or a method of fabrication as we think of it today

00:09:21.260 the word craft was used meant what we now hear in coinages like witchcraft and statecraft which is to say

00:09:31.080 an ability to manipulate people or situations cleverly and so they invented this idea of craft

00:09:40.920 and their craftsman was someone's employee who would build someone else's design through from start to finish

00:09:51.980 in a healthy environment and that idea of theirs is that is what you just described which has come down to

00:10:00.360 us to this day this hallmark card like image yeah of the craftsman as a skilled tradesman secure in the

00:10:06.760 knowledge of his hands and the strength of his character calm at the workbench and pursuing a simple

00:10:12.180 peaceful life and idyllic surroundings but for my generation with now i came to craft almost a hundred years

00:10:19.320 after they came up with this idea of craft that idea was there unconsciously because i'd never thought

00:10:26.020 about craft but at the same time there was this whole overlaying of new ideas about craft that that

00:10:33.820 those guys uh ruskin and mars wouldn't have recognized um you want me to go on what what what did that new

00:10:41.500 movement bring to the well for my generation what what we very much saw craft as was an opportunity to be

00:10:50.740 self-employed self-expressive self-sufficient and self-actualized uh the obvious uh common word

00:10:58.940 there being self and that you know thinking about this i i then came to see that that between the end of

00:11:08.400 the uh 19th century and the end of the late part of the 20th century which is where i was practicing

00:11:15.440 craft for the most part um the normative idea in our society of what an individual is of what the

00:11:24.280 self is had changed radically it had been changing a long time but it really changed quickly and radically

00:11:30.620 in the 20th century and the difference was that for all of human history the individual had thought

00:11:37.920 of himself or herself as belonging to a larger social entity as sort of conceptualize the self

00:11:45.380 you might say it's like a finger on a hand but in the 20th century we saw the rise of this idea of

00:11:51.860 the individual as being fully autonomous and separate and individual and rational and and able to choose

00:12:01.400 uh everything was choice in other instead of belonging to society being shaped by it we started to see

00:12:07.900 ourselves as being to pick and choose where in society we want what ideas we like and um and it was

00:12:15.240 that idea of the fully autonomous individual that changed the way we approach craft so that so that

00:12:23.180 another way to say this is that if you look at art over the millennia um artists tend to portray the

00:12:32.700 place where they think truth resides and so you've got um greek art that portrayed this ideal of humanity

00:12:41.600 outside of space and time in other words truth lay outside of humanity you've got uh a lot of

00:12:49.220 christian art in the middle ages and the renaissance that portrayed uh scenes from the bible essentially

00:12:59.320 the idea being that truth resided in god's kingdom in the bible as you know expressed through the bible

00:13:05.680 again outside of man and then you can then you've got the hudson river school of art uh in the 20th

00:13:12.780 century which portrayed nature and that went along with all sorts of enlightenment ideas about the

00:13:17.840 noble savage and so truth was thought to reside in nature and then if you come into the you know the

00:13:24.900 1940s for example or abstract expressionism you've got artists who are splattering paint or they're painting

00:13:31.880 abstract things where the painting takes shape because every choice the artist makes is a response

00:13:39.680 to whatever previous mark he or she has made on the canvas and so what you get is people painting a

00:13:47.280 portrait of their intuition of their interior self so that um we're at a place then where truth resides

00:13:55.520 internally and it's for us to discover as artists or as individuals and bring forth to share with

00:14:01.740 other people it's a very different concept of what the individual is that has shaped my generation and

00:14:07.580 subsequent generations of period we're talking about craftsmanship um and it's this is a topic that

00:14:14.940 sort of is woven throughout your book the idea like what is craftsmanship because i think people have

00:14:20.980 rough notions of it right what would they imagine what craftsmanship is but i think if you ask different

00:14:26.540 people you're probably going to get different answers on what craftsmanship is so how do you

00:14:33.020 define craftsmanship like when does something become a you're displaying craftsmanship whenever you're

00:14:39.620 doing something well i i have to order offer a definition two definitions of craftsmanship one is

00:14:45.880 craftsmanship if you're talking about the within the within the world of crafts themselves

00:14:51.900 uh where people are fabricating uh where people are fabricating objects out of actual physical

00:14:57.600 materials and if that's where we're looking to define craftsmanship then we're talking about uh it's

00:15:05.900 craftsmanship is work or a work process that engages uh hand skills you know you have it requires developed

00:15:15.100 skills it requires an unwavering commitment to quality and uh and also a heightened understanding of one's

00:15:25.100 materials those are the three elements that go into craftsmanship that are common to craftsmanship

00:15:32.300 and then you could think about craftsmanship when for example people will talk about a lawyer crafting a

00:15:38.540 a brief well or manufacturers talk about the craftsmanship in their uh automobiles for example

00:15:47.740 well so now we don't have individual agency involved that's been removed and we don't always have

00:15:54.060 physical materials involved but we still talk about craftsmanship and what remains there is that that in

00:16:00.460 that implies a commitment to quality and a deep understanding of one's materials even if one's materials are

00:16:07.660 or something that's not doesn't have any physical materiality so there's this caring about what you

00:16:14.620 do commitment to quality deeply understanding one's materials those are the elements of craftsmanship in

00:16:20.540 general why do you think it's what is it about building with your hands though that can that helps you

00:16:29.180 i don't get in touch with that idea of craftsmanship more so than you know a lawyer

00:16:35.020 crafting a contract what what is it about the materiality of craftsmanship working with your

00:16:41.980 hands that allows you to get in touch with that well i think there's there's actually several ways to

00:16:47.900 describe that and i'm actually i think i'll try three of them sure um one of them is that there's an

00:16:55.580 experience that that creative people have in the studio in this case it could be craft it could be

00:17:02.460 painting sculpture um it can be writing in fact that uh miholy chic sent mahali if that's the proper

00:17:11.420 way to say his name who wrote wrote a book called flow and some other books on this topic he labels that

00:17:16.940 this phenomenon flow where you disappear your sense of whole sense of time and self all disappears

00:17:24.460 you're so fully engaged in the work that that's all there is and that turns out to be an immensely

00:17:29.420 pleasurable wonderful feeling um and so creative people you could almost say enjoy their creativity

00:17:38.620 or come to it simply for that feeling uh but there's there's a lot more to it but that is one element

00:17:45.580 um what's so wonderful about craft in addition to that is that you can't um how can i say it anchors

00:17:57.180 your creative work your ideas and your efforts substantially in the real so for example when

00:18:04.300 i'm writing right you writing you can put words together and it can suggest new ideas and you can

00:18:10.060 go off on flights of fancy that are quite seductive but they actually may be total nonsense but when you're

00:18:17.660 working with wood and chisels for example there's no question about whether a joint is tight there's no

00:18:24.300 question about whether a chisel is sharp in fact there's no question about whether a chair is

00:18:28.620 comfortable like it's apparent to any user so so your your ideas your suppositions your efforts

00:18:36.460 are checked by the real and that's actually quite a healthy thing um and that's one of that's one of

00:18:43.340 the pleasures of craft and another is that at the end of the day you see what you've achieved it exists

00:18:49.420 in the physical world to be enjoyed shared with others um it doesn't just disappear off a computer

00:18:56.780 screen you know onto the next thing so at least those are the some of some of the things that make

00:19:02.140 craft such a delightful uh thing to practice so one more oh go ahead yeah yes there's this uh it there's

00:19:11.500 this maxim in in craft uh that that bernard leach a british potter is said to have stated back in the

00:19:19.340 last century which is that um craft engages head heart and hands in unison he said it a little better

00:19:28.700 than that uh and that is i think one of the things that makes it so fulfilling is that you are somehow

00:19:36.780 when you're doing when you're engaged in skilled craft work and let's say you're in that state of

00:19:41.740 flow or not it doesn't really matter you're employing all of your bodily all of your human capacities at

00:19:49.420 once you know you're you're engaging your actual physical capabilities you're engaging your imagination

00:19:58.060 you're invasive engaging your abilities for cognitive problem solving and you're engaging your creativity

00:20:05.420 and you you can't ask for more than that you're right you you mentioned how um you found when you

00:20:11.580 first started carpentry you found that it not like what your father said it would sort of dull the mind

00:20:17.260 that it actually engaged the mind i've had that experience too when i've done sort of projects around

00:20:21.260 the home it's it's amazing how much harder sometimes a little project a diy project that i'm doing is

00:20:28.140 than saying writing an article for the website is and how fun it is right there's a challenge there

00:20:34.060 and you're not going to stop until you solve it uh and you just you keep plugging at it even though

00:20:41.020 you know i should have given up hours ago but you see brett for me the shoe's on the other foot okay

00:20:47.660 meaning meaning i'm i'm i'm used to solving problems in the woodshop and so that becomes a fairly smooth

00:20:57.260 process for me but when i sat down to write this book all i started with were certain deeply held

00:21:03.740 convictions that were almost more physical i can't explain yeah the sort of convictions you hold

00:21:09.900 in the pit of your stomach in your in your bones uh then i had ways of expressing them with words

00:21:16.860 so for me working with words was a process of trying to untie knot one knot after another

00:21:25.020 um and uh it was a long engaging deeply engaging struggle it was wonderful and i'd be i'd write

00:21:32.460 before work and then i'd be driving to work and i'd have to pull over to jot down the next little

00:21:38.380 step for an idea that as it unfolded itself that was wonderful um so here's a question i have so right

00:21:47.900 now it seems like there is uh we're having a renaissance uh in the marketplace where you say

00:21:54.540 handmade goods artisanal things are hot everyone wants you know something that's you know they want

00:22:00.540 something that's built by a craftsman they want something that they know is not made by a giant

00:22:04.620 corporation or a machine and but it's funny is that you can buy a table that look that was built in a

00:22:11.500 in a factory and they'll be an exact same table built by a single person right but people will

00:22:17.900 probably pick the one that was built by the person why is that you have you you have just so hurt the

00:22:23.420 feelings of that individual person i didn't know i know well i know i know but i mean what is it what

00:22:29.500 is it that a person is buying because i guess it's a way of the the third person of taking part in the

00:22:34.220 creative process right i mean what is it that we're buying when we purchase something built by a

00:22:39.820 craftsman is it a story is it a sense of meaning what is yes it's all those things you're you're

00:22:46.940 you're you're buying well first of all i i'm going to disagree or rephrase something that you said i'd

00:22:54.940 appreciate that which is this that if you were engaged in trying to make your living as a as a

00:23:02.460 furniture maker for example you would find that in fact it's really hard to find the market for your

00:23:10.300 work that the the more skill you put into it the more expensive it gets the smaller your audience

00:23:17.900 becomes and uh and in fact it's my observation that that my generation of crafts people

00:23:27.900 um say this differently i belong to a what retrospectively is now labeled a movement

00:23:35.260 called studio craft and studio craft people made one of a kind singular objects that existed as ways

00:23:44.460 for them to develop their individual artistic voice and their individual skills and show them off

00:23:51.100 and i mean that in a positive way um and those were very ended up being fairly expensive gallery

00:23:56.780 pedestal type objects young people who are excited about designing and building things today for for

00:24:03.740 the most part aren't interested in making those precious gallery style objects there's a there's

00:24:09.740 a whole new movement that is sort of centered in brooklyn that i call studio design people are still

00:24:15.660 designing and building wonderful things but these are meant to be things that can be produced by

00:24:20.540 others at more reasonable price points uh and sold to a wider audience and there are other concerns

00:24:28.220 like sustainability and community that somehow enter their design processes as well so the sort of the

00:24:35.180 cultural horizons to which people work have changed and that changes the nature of the object

00:24:41.660 so i think the object younger crafts people or does product designers however you want to say it are

00:24:48.300 making today actually are probably more marketable and have more of a market than those of my generation

00:24:54.860 but they're batch products they're not the one of a kind thing still to answer your question what sells them

00:25:01.660 is the fact that they're authentic that they did come from one person's imagination and one person's

00:25:08.940 caring about their quality and that is a story that has to be told otherwise

00:25:13.980 it doesn't no one would know that so yes you could say it was the product of the piece having a story

00:25:20.460 yeah um so one of the things i love about this book is that you talk about craftsmanship

00:25:27.340 and the drive to build them why it's so fulfilling but you also

00:25:31.660 explore how the journey of becoming a craftsman is also a journey on how life should be lived

00:25:38.060 which is very aristotelian in a way right aristotle talked about you know virtue is sort of like

00:25:43.740 the practice of virtue is sort of like practicing being a craftsman of some sort so how can craftsmanship

00:25:51.980 help us or studying craftsmanship help us live a good life well so that begs the question what is a good

00:25:59.740 life okay and uh and i guess that's the largest context within which i'm writing is trying to answer that

00:26:06.620 question and it seems to me based on my experience and observation

00:26:12.620 that a good life is one that provides the person living it with a sufficiency of meaning

00:26:18.860 and fulfillment those seem to be the two qualities we're so hungry for that so often seem missing today

00:26:26.220 and i have come to define meaning as having a sense that your thoughts and actions

00:26:33.820 actually make a difference in a larger moral sphere and i've come to define fulfillment at least for

00:26:40.860 myself as the sense that you are using your human capacities to the fullest well practicing a craft is

00:26:49.340 not the only way to achieve meaning and fulfillment but it's a wonderful way to do it and the fulfillment

00:26:55.660 part comes as we discussed because in craft you really are employing head heart and hand in unison

00:27:03.100 all reading from the same page and in terms of the work giving you a sense of making a difference in

00:27:11.420 a larger moral sphere if i can just talk about furniture making for a moment uh every piece of furniture

00:27:19.500 describes the life to be lived around it if you think about it uh so the work you would see at

00:27:27.500 versailles those very ornate uncomfortable chairs uh incredibly expensive they're describing there was a

00:27:36.700 whole world of how you sat in a chair and how you related to other people and all that is described by

00:27:42.780 those chairs the shaker rocking chair describes a whole nother attitude towards life the idea that

00:27:49.020 daily life and work should be lived as sacraments uh so when you're designing furniture in a sense

00:27:57.500 what you're always doing is you are trying to close more closely and ever more closely approximate

00:28:08.940 through the furniture how one as a human being might best live their life what what what one's daily

00:28:16.380 life should feel like that sort of thing uh so that's one example of of how

00:28:25.500 being engaged in a specific creative endeavor can be an exploration of how we should live as human

00:28:33.500 beings and really in my mind and i'm i'm not a religious believer so certainly from my point of view

00:28:44.460 the largest moral context that exists is the effort of humanity over all of its existence the ongoing

00:28:53.580 effort to define what it is to be human and how we should live and i think that anytime anyone engages

00:29:00.780 in the effort of trying to bring something new into the world that matters not only to themselves but

00:29:09.260 matters to other people they're actually engaged in exploring the parameters of existing ideas of

00:29:16.540 what it means to be human and how we should live and it's the fact that they're doing that in that larger

00:29:22.780 context that gives their life meaning um and it doesn't i'm not saying anyone in the creative arts

00:29:30.540 for example is ever conscious of that context or thinking about the ideas that i'm discussing i'm

00:29:36.060 just saying this is what i see as the underlying reality to all creative effort and not just creative

00:29:43.020 effort in the painter's studio or the craftsman's shop but creative effort in the science lab creative

00:29:50.460 effort in starting a new business creative effort in trying coming up with a new recipe in your

00:29:56.300 kitchen these are all expanding the boundaries of how you think about the world and uh which means

00:30:04.220 that you're coming up with new ideas about who you are and how the world around you works it's

00:30:09.980 fascinating um and you we could talk more about this but uh time is limited so uh but i definitely

00:30:15.980 recommend people to check out the book um where can we learn more about your work well i have a

00:30:22.300 website for the book which is uh peterkorn.com but really my real work in life has been

00:30:32.060 founding and running a school called the center for furniture craftsmanship a non-profit school

00:30:37.180 in rockport maine and the website for the school is woodschool.org and that's what i've been

00:30:43.260 doing for the last 23 years i'm much more of and these days an arts administrator and a teacher

00:30:51.260 than i am an actual craftsman and um i'm one of 40 people 40 plus people who teach at this school

00:30:58.780 and that's where you would really see and learn what i what i do and what i'm passionate about is

00:31:04.940 is the school open they have like do you have classes for beginners people who've never done

00:31:09.020 furniture building ever yes we we have an extensive uh summer and fall schedule of one and two week

00:31:15.420 courses that many of which are entry level in furniture making but also in wood turning and in carving

00:31:22.220 and other aspects of woodworking and then uh we the rest of the year we run a nine month furniture

00:31:30.300 making course and a bunch of three months long turning and furniture making courses which most people take

00:31:38.380 because they want to become professional at it but they are also open to and attended by many

00:31:44.780 amateur woodworkers as well and have you noticed has interest in your in the the school gotten bigger

00:31:50.940 and bigger throughout the years or is it about the same or i well enough you know i started the school

00:31:56.940 by teaching six people at a time in my backyard uh so and you know i ran seven two week or maybe it was nine two week

00:32:04.300 workshops that first year and so the school went through a period of rapid and tremendous growth

00:32:09.980 for the first six or eight years and uh now we have 400 students a year come through that's great

00:32:15.900 but um but then in the around the the recession that happened in the early 2000s uh the woodworking world

00:32:24.620 saw saw cultural interest level off and now we're seeing it grow again and we're seeing more

00:32:30.940 younger people coming in and more women coming in and that's pretty exciting but again they're coming

00:32:37.180 in not necessarily uh from an interest in craft the way i pursued it but but something that looks

00:32:45.740 almost the exact same except where it's informed by the the newer world that younger people live in 0.99

00:32:51.420 and perceive so there there is this as i said this great interest not only in

00:32:56.140 you can find craftsmanship and and work that expresses your voice but there's also an interest

00:33:03.260 in how do you design a wonderful product a chair that can be made that's affordable to others

00:33:10.780 very interesting well peter corn thank you for so much for your time it's been a pleasure

00:33:15.340 brett thank you so much i really appreciate you interviewing me our guest is peter corn he's

00:33:20.540 the author of the book why we make things and why it matters the education of a craftsman

00:33:24.620 you can find that on amazon.com go check it out it's a really fascinating read you can also find

00:33:29.500 more information about peter's work at peter corn.com and that's corn with a k and also if you're interested

00:33:35.420 in checking out the furniture building school that peter founded and check out one of the classes that

00:33:41.260 they have to offer you can find more information about that at wood school.org again that's wood school.org

00:33:47.660 well that wraps up another edition of the art of manliness podcast for more manly tips and advice

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The Art of Manliness - June 04, 2015

#117： The Ethos of the Craftsman With Peter Korn

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