#154: Strength Training for Everyone with Matt Reynolds
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In this episode of the Art of Manliness Podcast, we discuss the story of how Matt Reynolds opened up one of the largest barbell-based strength gyms in the country, Strong Gym in Springfield, MO.
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brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast we've had mark
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ripetale on the podcast the author of starting strength but what a lot of people don't realize
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is that you can get certified to be a starting strength coach it's pretty rigorous and there
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are a few starting strength coaches around the country and one of those coaches a guy by the
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name of matt reynolds he's a co-owner of a gym in springfield missouri called strong gym it's one
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of the largest barbell based strength gyms in the country he's a former powerlifter himself
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strongman competitor and he also does online coaching i've been doing some coaching with him
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online and i've seen some significant progress with my strength training since i started with him
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so i want to get on the podcast to discuss his story of how he opened up strong gym because it's
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really it's a great inspiring story for entrepreneurs out there completely bootstrapped
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operation but then also we get into some details and some nitty-gritty about strength training so
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how barbell training can help if you're an endurance athlete if you're a trail runner obstacle course
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racer why you need to incorporate strength training to your programming we discuss why strength training
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or barbell training is a great stepping stone for someone who's completely out of shape never
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exercised and they need to lose a lot of weight why barbell training is a great way to start that
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process we also discuss the prehab and rehab you can do to overcome and prevent injuries that often
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occur when training and we also discuss the psychology of strength training how do you get over those
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plateaus right you how to lift weight you don't think you could lift but your body can actually do what
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you can do to psych yourself up so a lot of great information if you are a strength trainer i think you get a lot
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out of it so without further ado matt reynolds and strength training
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all right matt reynolds welcome to the show thanks for having me man all right so matt is actually you're
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the first person i've had inside my closet studio to do the podcast how does it feel this is the first
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time i've been in a closet with a guy maybe my entire life so yeah so um anyways matt is uh i got
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matt on here he is actually he's a he's a strength coach owns a gym in springfield missouri called strong
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gym but he's also does online coaching um and he works a lot with mark ripito we've had on the
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podcast before with starting strength and so today we're going to talk about uh matt's story of how he
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got into strength training how do you open up this amazing gym that is one of the largest strength
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gyms in the country um and then we'll get delve into some like strength training questions and
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helping the guys out there get stronger so matt tell your story how did you get to become a strength
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coach what's the story that got to the point before you opened up strong gym sure well uh that probably
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starts with i was very painfully average in junior high and high school and uh you know i was just a
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normal guy i was a smart kid i was skinny kid played a lot of sports um was always usually the the
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last starter on the team um you know and there were two or three other people on every team that
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were better than me um that didn't start and so i just worked hard and and so i think part of who i
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am now as a pendulum swing into kind of the strength conditioning world uh came from the fact that i just
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was really probably unhappy with being average and so uh i i started to fall in love with with strength
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training my senior year of high school um just did it for sports and again wasn't great at sports and
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and seemed to be a little bit better at weightlifting than i was sports and uh so got into
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that and uh got out of high school wasn't good enough to to play anything in college but was
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unbelievably competitive and so um needed an out for that competition and so shortly after i graduated
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high school i actually found uh an article actually by dave tate who runs elitefts.com uh called how to
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bench press 600 pounds i didn't think that anybody in the whole world could bench press 400 pounds so this
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this whole 600 pound thing was new to me um and i read the article and it was about power lifting
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basically and it was this introduction to power lifting and so uh i was 19 years old it had been
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1998 somewhere in there 1998 1999 and uh realized like hey there's a sport where the goal is to eat
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tons of food and and get really big and really strong and so um that really appealed to me so i i got into
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power lifting uh come trained for power lifting did my first competition in 2001 um and and did okay you
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know it was just kind of still average and uh slowly got better and better and and by the 2005 or so i
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had i'd achieved my elite status in a handful of uh of weight classes and so um and so it was about
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that time in 2005 i graduated college um and started teaching school and started uh working as a strength
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coach at a big 4a high school in missouri and and so a big piece of this with the strength coaching
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side is uh you know i've always been interested in this stuff and i read everything i get my hands on
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you know everything that louis simmons wrote or all the stuff that the the soviet uh coaches you
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know pre uh communism falling wrote and you know they came over and either stuff had been translated
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into english or they came over in the 90s and and started to teach here and i just love that stuff
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it just it just and i it never wore off i mean it wasn't just a it wasn't just this phase i went
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through and so um so yeah so i i just i love coaching so i started coaching 2005 and and it started
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with mostly high school kids um and the interesting thing about that is that high school kids a lot of
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times are the toughest thing to coach i mean they don't listen very well they don't eat enough
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they don't sleep enough um you've got kids you know i had eighth graders who were pre-pubescent for
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sure um i had kids smack in the middle of puberty i had kids who had been way out of puberty and you're
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trying to deal with all of those kids 60 of them at the same time in in the same weight room and so
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um so we did that and then at the same time i continued my competitive career and so i in 2005 i switched
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over and started competing in strongman like the what you see in in world's strongest man
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and uh won my pro status in 2006 at utah strongest man won that actually um won the pro card with the
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same at the same show that brian shaw who is now the world's strongest man we won at the same show
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and uh competed on the strongman circuit for for a few years there uh 2008 open strong and open
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strong gym with really no um delusions of grandeur just wanted a place to train for for power lifting
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and strength training well let's let's talk a little about the your gym because uh it's different
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from a lot of it's not a it's not like a power lifting gym right where like it's grungy and like
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they're playing pantera like and it's not like a nice big box gym where they have a spa and all that
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stuff they don't have like you guys are focused primarily on barbell training but barbell training
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for soccer moms or soccer dads uh so how did how do you make that a viable business because most people
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aren't really into barbells if they go to the gym they're going to do machines so what did you do to
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turn strong into one of the largest gym strength gyms in the country sure yeah i mean you're exactly
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right and the reality is uh i didn't know it was going to be able to do this i didn't know we were
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going to be able to be successful and so as we have worked and uh we we really focused on a couple
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of things we focused on correct training so strength training with barbells and that really
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is the same thing that most powerlifting gyms do but you're right the difference really comes in in
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all of the other stuff so uh there are tons of great powerlifting gyms in the country but they're
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exactly what you said they're they're in a warehouse there's no air conditioning there's no heat there's
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no showers they're grungy they're dirty and so so we looked at how can we make ours better and so
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we ended up uh opening up an unbelievable 15 000 square foot state-of-the-art facility super clean and just
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had an incredible focus on customer service and then look the reality is this i have an unbelievable
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staff that buy into what we do and so i have a staff that most of my staff that work for me now i mean
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from the the guy lowest guy on the totem pole all the way up to my managers started as interns for me
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they all have exercise science degrees the colleges sent them over they they got passionate about what we
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do they see that the results that we get like what we the way we train works but it works in an
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atmosphere that's appealing to business professionals and soccer moms and so now you've got this gym
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that's full of people who are in their who are in their 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s and they all
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deadlift and they all squat and they all bench press and they all press and they train in a similar
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style that the powerlifters do so at lunch today you were telling me that one of the things you take
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pride in about your gym is about the the amount of people who can deadlift a certain way tell us like
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what the average weight that people are deadlifting at your gym yeah so so one of the things you'll
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hear a lot of gym owners or or even i would hear high school football coaches say is they would they
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would brag about their their strongest guy right so i've got a high school football kid who who
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deadlifts 600 pounds and who squats 500 pounds and and the reality is that has nothing to do with
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your program that kid's a freak he's gonna he's gonna squat 500 pounds in any high school in america
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and and strong is really no different i we have some i mean some of the best powerlifters in the
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whole world are at our gym but if they weren't at our gym i mean i'd like to think that some of our
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atmosphere helps them and facilitates that but the reality is they would be some of the strongest guys
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on earth with or without strong and so for for me what we really like to to be able to brag about is
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that our average guys we have we have 100 guys that deadlifted 500 pounds so a 500 pound deadlift is
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entirely average at our gym um a 300 pound deadlift for a female that is an average deadlift for a
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female we have a handful of females that deadlift 400 pounds and i'm not talking about girls that
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look like they're going to step on a bodybuilding stage girls that look like guys that that uh you
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know that read art of manliness we're talking about we're talking about soccer moms we're talking about
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ladies who are 36 years old who drive their minivan to the gym drop their kids off at school and they
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walk in and they deadlift 350 pounds that's what they do um and that's that's i'm really proud of that for
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sure so i mean what i mean what's the secret i mean if it sounds like you know deadlifting 500 pounds
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like that's a goal i've had for a while uh haven't been able to reach and i'm hoping i can get that
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with your with your coaching i've been doing but what's the secret sauce i'm sure there's a lot of
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guys out there that they want to have a 300 pound 315 pound bench you know 405 pound squat uh you know
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500 pound uh deadlift it sounds like you don't have to necessarily have the genetics for you can train
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this i mean what is the secret sauce is there a secret well i mean there's there's no there's no
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magic pill it's it's form programming atmosphere right so form here's the deal starting strength
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is the best thing ever put out ever for form um every single person that lifts at our gym that
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comes in that's a novice does a starting strength program we teach them how to low bar back squat we
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teach them how to deadlift correctly we teach them how to press we teach them how to bench press
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um it's the most authoritative piece ever put together on how to lift and so everything we do
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even when someone comes out of novice programming so you know you hear that that name starting
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strength well it's just it's it's for absolute beginners and it's it is great it is it's great
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for absolute beginners but the form the method that we use doesn't change as you become more advanced
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and so then outside of that it's we start with very basic programming programming should be simple
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hard and effective and so uh programming is often way too complicated in the beginning programming
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should be we're going to add a little bit of weight on each lift every single workout that's it
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right and if that if that works why would you do anything else like if you can come in and add five
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pounds to your squat three days a week why would you not do that right and so people get in a hurry
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to not do novice programming and that's a mistake right because they compare it to other sports like
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i don't want to be a novice basketball player i want to be an intermediate or an advanced
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basketball player but the reality is that the best type of lifter is the novice lifter because
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you can get better every single workout and so then as they move out of that progression we just
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still have simple slightly more complicated progressions for our intermediate and advanced
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lifters and then when you take somebody who's lifting exactly correct over a long period of time
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and you put them in an atmosphere where the strength standard is hey a 500 pound deadlift really
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isn't that impressive now look we celebrate pr so if we i have a i have a 79 year old lady actually
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she turns 80 in two weeks uh she's 80 years old today she deadlifted 105 pounds for five reps she's 80
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right so we celebrate that as as much or more than a 700 pound deadlift because a pr a personal record
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is a pr that's huge for somebody and so when you're in an atmosphere that celebrates prs along with this
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same atmosphere that cultivates correct lifting correct programming simple hard effective work
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that's our people have an understanding that anything that's valuable is going to take some
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work it's going to take some effort and so um the easy way isn't the way that works like we don't
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we don't uh walk on purple treadmills and read cosmo magazine that's not what we do at strong right
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we squat let me so it sounds like consistency is a big thing i know one of the things that i've got in
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trouble with is that what you just said that like i don't want to be a novice like i'm doing the same
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thing this is boring this probably isn't working anymore so there's this idea that i have to do
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something new and sexy and like some kind of crazy i don't know weird auxiliary exercise to actually get
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something going um and i just stopped doing the programming is that one of the big mistakes you see
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people making with strength training yeah absolutely not only that you see it with with trainers and so
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the hard thing to get across for for trainers is to you have to be able to continue to motivate your
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clients to do essentially the same thing every day for a long period of time so you know day one they're
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going to squat they're going to press they're going to deadlift day two they're going to squat
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they're going to bench they're going to deadlift day three they're going to day 50 they're going
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to squat they're going to press you know and so very quickly the the concept of we don't even like
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the term trainer i don't i don't like to be called a personal trainer i'm a coach i coach form you think
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about it more like if i were a sport coach i would be coaching form i'm not here to count reps i don't
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go three four five that's not what you're paying me to do and so being able to motivate somebody
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to stick with the basics while the basics work is huge i mean that's a big motivating factor
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people get bored and they want to move on to something else and so a good trainer can still
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add some variation to programming we can we can change up the conditioning a little bit we still
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do conditioning we push the prowler we do things like that that kind of allow people to sweat allow
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their heart rate to get up they can put themselves in great cardiovascular shape and and it gives them
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enough of that variety that they can stick with the program and then here's what happens somebody
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comes in and they say look here's my goal i want to run a half marathon in six months right now i may
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or may not think that's a great goal but i'm not going to shoot down their dreams on day one i'm
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gonna say let me show you how strength training will make you be a better half marathoner and what
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will almost always happen is two or three months into the program they get so addicted to getting
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strong they kind of forget about the marathon thing and they go you know what like actually i'm kind
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of thinking about you know what i kind of think i might want to do a powerlifting meet in six
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months what do you think about that i think it'd be great right it would be great because if you
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mail in an entry form on a powerlifting meet your training level goes up a notch because now you go oh
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my gosh i'm not doing this just in front of my coach i'm doing it in front of a whole group of
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people and so man there is nothing cooler than seeing a 75 year old lady doing our first powerlifting
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meet that's great right and and the reality is it's better for her than running a half marathon
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it's more healthy it's less impact on our joints and so part of that too is just knowing what
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knowing how to work with people we do low impact exercises we don't we don't have them doing high
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rep jumping we don't have them do um you know you know they're not doing stuff that's going to get
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them hurt we don't put them in vulnerable positions and that's where we have a this constant commitment
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to come back to the main barbell list because that's where the biggest bang for your buck is
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well uh speaking on that that idea of strength training for half marathons uh are do you do you train
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people who that's what they do like they do long distance running uh and how can strength training
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help with endurance you know endurance uh sports sure yeah we we train it all the time and we get
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people all the time especially with uh this uh culture right now of of um you know spartan race
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type things i mean and and i love that that outlook i mean people that are training for something like
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a spartan race i think you had joe de seno on at one point um you know that that's an incredibly
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tough thing to train for and so if you think about it like this let's let's take something really
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simple like endurance bicycle ride right we're going to ride our bike i'm going to be endurance i'm just
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going to go ride my bicycle right so it's not complicated at all and so i can go out and let's
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say i can ride i'm going to ride in a certain gear let's say let's say i can squat 100 pounds i'm not
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very strong squatter 100 pounds my legs aren't really strong and i can ride at 17 miles an hour
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in a specific gear and let's say that in that gear five i'm riding in every stroke of the pedal
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represents 20 percent of my max leg strength right and let's say i take that person i take them off the
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bicycle and i get them in the weight room and i take their squat from 100 pounds to 200 pounds
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which still isn't that strong but i've doubled their leg strength now what percentage is every
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stroke on the pedal it's not 20 anymore it's 10 so now now every stroke it's easier every single
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pedal stroke is now easier for that person because i've got their legs stronger which means
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they can now ride in a gear that allows them to be more powerful and ride faster
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or they can now because they're only representing each pedal stroke being 10 of the strength they
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can now ride longer twice as long even right because i've doubled their leg strength so
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for endurance athletes the hardest thing to deal with with endurance endurance athletes is to get
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them to either stop or cut back on their endurance training for a season and listen right now is the
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perfect time here we are we're going into holiday seasons right we're going into winter time and so it's
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not easy to go out and run trail run when it's when it's 30 degrees outside or 10 degrees outside or ride
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your bike so now would be a perfect time to to keep continue to do your endurance training say once
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a week but get in the weight room and get strong three times a week and then watch what happens when
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the springtime comes and and here's what you'll notice your first couple rides you'll feel a little
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bit out of shape because you put on some additional muscle and your cardiovascular system isn't there
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but your cardiovascular system comes back extremely fast it's the quick the most quick thing gained
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piece of fitness gained it's also the quickest thing that you lose so this is why if you're in great
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shape and you go on vacation you go to cancun for 10 days you just sit in a pool and drink margaritas
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and come home your conditioning is not very good all of a sudden but it doesn't take very long to gain
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it back strength is the exact opposite strength takes decades to build but then it doesn't go away very
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fast right so it i mean like a long long time so i could probably you know i've bench press i don't
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know 450 pounds i could probably not bench press for two years and still lay down and bench press
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300 pounds right well 300 pound bench press is still fairly strong but if i got good at cardiovascular
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conditioning didn't do anything for two weeks and came back and tried to do it i probably wouldn't
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be that great for the first workout or two so when that endurance athlete comes back and gets back on
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their bike or back on their trail running or back on whatever the first workout or two isn't going to
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be great but by the third fourth fifth sixth workout they're going to be better than they were before
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they before they started strength training right so awesome that's great so because we often get out
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whenever we publish things about strength training we often get the comments that this is going to
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ruin my endurance training but uh yeah it's great that strength training training can actually
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supplement and even make you a better runner and here matt another question we often get uh from
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readers who are they they want to start they read our articles on the site about fitness and strength
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training they want to get started but they're they're like i'm really out of shape like i am obese
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like that i i don't know if i can do this any advice to those guys so they just get started right with
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barbell training even if they're you know a couple hundred pounds overweight i mean is that something
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barbell training can help yeah i do i actually think it's easier than what what you will tend to
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find is people don't know what else to do so they start jogging and so it's not a great uh thing on
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your joints for a 400 pound man or woman to go out and start jogging around the neighborhood right
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that's pretty tough on your knees and ankles and so what you'll find is that you'll gain a tremendous
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amount of cardiovascular fitness from just barbell training theoretically if you weren't doing
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anything you started riding your bicycle you actually your squat would go up for the first
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week or two but after that first week or two riding your bicycle doesn't make you any stronger
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but strength makes everything better for a long period of time so if i want like if i get to take a
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kid that says hey i want to increase my vertical jump how do i increase my vertical jump well i can work
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with him and teach him how to jump correctly and within the first two or three sessions i can get him
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within 95 of a correct jump then what then how do i increase his vertical jump i have to get him
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stronger it's the only other option right so it's the same thing here i can take somebody who is really
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out of shape what told what we call totally detrained like they haven't done anything they haven't walked
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they haven't run they've sat on their couch they've eaten a bunch of junk they've never done anything and
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i can take them and bring them into a weight room and i can teach them how to body weight squat they
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might not be able to put a barbell on their back on the first day but you know what i can probably do is i
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can probably sit them on a bench or sit them in their dining room chair and teach them how to squat
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down correctly and not get on their toes and not get into their knees and be safe for the knees and
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teach them how to body weight squat and then i can take a barbell and i can teach them how to deadlift
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an empty barbell and then i can take them on that same empty barbell or even something lighter a very
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light barbell a 10 pound barbell and i can teach them how to press and that's enough on day one thanks
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for coming in come back in two days and what they'll find they'll get done and they'll go i don't feel like i did
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very much and then the next day they they text me or call me i'm actually kind of sore you go i know
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you haven't done anything in 20 years you know and they come back two days later and we go up a little
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bit more right and what you'll find is for for those people they will lose a tremendous amount of fat i
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mean especially people who are really really morbidly obese they'll lose a tremendous amount of fat gain a
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tremendous amount of muscle gain a tremendous amount of cardiovascular fitness their blood lipid profile
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is often better after just a few short months of only barbell training of no cardio of no cardio if i can just
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get them to basically cut out the mcdonald's and cut out the fast food and quit you know stuff in their face
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with junk and just start barbell training then they make lots of increases and then we start to add in
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those additional steps all right now we'll bring in some cardiovascular work um so you know matt we've had
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rip on the podcast um actually that's kind of funny can you tell us how you met rip uh because it cracks me up
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every time you tell me the story because for those of you know like rip is a character um and i love
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matt's story about how you met mark ripito so share that with us matt all right so so i actually rip had
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a coach that was his olympic lifting coach that i knew before i had never even heard of mark ripito
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so i just knew this guy and he was an olympic lifting coach he's a fairly well-known olympic
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lifting coach and and i had one of my workout partners a super strong kid actually one of the
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strongest kids probably that's ever lived the kid uh he deadlifted 800 pounds when he was 19 years old
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and uh we ended up sending him down he had gone to to kansas university we needed an internship for
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his exercise science degree and we sent him down to wichita falls athletic club to what is rip's gym
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i just didn't know it was rip's gym i just thought it was where this olympic coach coached and so uh
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he got down there and um he uh he calls me back and he said hey um i saw the best coach i've ever seen
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today and i said what i said yeah it's this olympic coach that you're working with right no no no it's not
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him it's a it's actually the owner of the gym and he said and and remember this kid is smart this kid
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has his is finishing up his degree in exercise science he's an extremely advanced weightlifter
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very very smart very intelligent kid he said i worked with a girl for for two hours on how to
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squat correctly and she could not get it and this guy who's the owner of the gym he literally sticks
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his head out the window out of his of his door of his of his office and just barks like three words
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at her and she does it right immediately right and i said what and he said yeah i'm telling you this
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guy is he just he's the most efficient he's got the best eye i've ever seen i said what well who is
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he and he said well his name's his name's mark ripito but they call him rip he's super weird he uh he
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drinks mead from a horn he's in a norse mythology and that's pretty much that that's really who rip is
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and so um i was writing for for some online magazines bodybuilding.com and stuff like that at the
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time and uh and i had done some interviews with that olympic coach and so i i called rip and a couple
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days later and and introduced myself and he kind of knew who i was from the interview i had done with
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his coach and said hey i want to i want to interview you um i'd like to just talk to you about coaching
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and and what you do with underweight high school kids i hear that you're really good with underweight
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high school kids he said you know it's actually interesting that you'd ask um i'm actually writing
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a book called starting strength and so he was smack in the middle of the book it was still i think a
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year from coming out um but he wanted to be able to start promoting it and and i think i did one of the
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first interviews he ever did um that that article that interview is still in his lobby and it's just
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so you go in the gym it's sitting right there and it's uh it's uh and you can still find it online
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well i'm curious so you know um one of the things that i love about rip because i i went down there
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did the videos with him right and that's i was amazed like that was the first time someone actually
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sat me down and told me how to lift because i know in high school i did the usual typical strength
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and conditioning and the coaches basically just say okay there's a squat rack there's the bench
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that's it um and i learned a lot of bad habits that way but i'm curious what makes for i mean what
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what makes rip such a good coach you're like what should people look for if they're wanting to hire
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a coach to help with their their strength programming what makes for a good strength coach
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sure well i mean there's a handful of things one of them is that the coach has done it before
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right so not just coached it but have they actually been under the barbell because you you have to ask
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man it is hard to get under three sets of five of heavy heavy squats and you're asking something
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that's not just physically demanding but extremely emotionally and mentally demanding of your clients
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and so if you haven't been there if you don't know what it's like to get under the bar and think i don't
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know if i'm getting through this set or if you if you haven't gotten there and go like i i might pass
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out on this or i might i could die right if you haven't been there how can you ask that of your
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clients so one is have they been there and then two is uh you know charlie munger has a quote that
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that i love where he says i i've never met or heard of anybody in my life who didn't totally and
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completely immerse himself in books right and so another thing that makes a good coach is this this
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guy who wants to constantly learn it i don't care how long you've done it one of the things about rip
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my favorite thing with rip i i see rip at least once a month we do seminars together uh one of our
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favorite things to do is we go back in his hotel room after the seminars we hang out we have a drink
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and we talk about the stuff we're reading so i mean here's a guy who's coached for 40 years right
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barbell training is owns one of the oldest longest standing single proprietorship gyms in the country
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the most well-known strength coach of all time and the guy is still reading everything he can get his
00:26:23.400
hands on to be a better coach every single day and so that's one of the things that makes a great
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coach and then and then from there there are some actual kind of genetic pieces that are hard to learn
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a great coach is a great communicator and one of the things that makes rip so great is he's a great
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communicator both in person with spoken word and with written word if you've ever read starting
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strength or you've read you've read the articles that he writes he's really really good at
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communicating he's efficient and he's effective at communication and so a good coach has got to be
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able to do that with their clients when when i'm watching you squat and we're going to go do a session
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here in a few minutes right so i'm going to use the fewest words i can to fix your squat that makes a
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great coach so if your knees aren't going out and i want them to go out i'm not going to say
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okay brett what i want you to do is i want you to get your knees out that was way too many words
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i have already told you knees out so if you're in the middle of a set here's what i have to say
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knees or at very worst knees out and they go out and so you've got to have somebody that
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understands has the content knowledge anatomy physiology biomechanics and then is able to
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communicate what you're doing based on a model we have a model starting strength has provided that
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model for us we know what a squat is supposed to look like we know what a deadlift is supposed to
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look like if i know the model if i know the anatomy if i know the physics i can then watch you squat
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and compare it to the model and if it doesn't hit the model exactly and it probably won't it's going
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to be off a little bit i know what to say efficiently to fix it that's what makes a good coach and some of
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that is experience i mean it's just experience well on that same line i mean what you've you've
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you've spent your almost your entire career coaching right whether it was 60 kids in a single
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gym or now with your gym that you have now in your online coaching i'm curious what your in what
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your idea of an ideal student i guess we'd call them i mean how do you be is there are there traits
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that a coach a coachable person has yeah they'll do anything i say i've got a kid right now um he'll
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hear this and he'll know who i'm talking about i got i got a college kid tall red-haired kid who
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literally will do anything i ask and will never question it right and and look you've got a lot
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of trust in your coach to do that right i'm not saying you should do that with with all of your
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coaches you got to make sure you've got a great coach but i have a kid who never complains right
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as a matter of fact this kid squatted he had rotator cuff surgery about six weeks ago and five
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days after rotator cuff surgery he was in squatting we put a safety squat bar on his back which is a
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little bit different kind of bar that's got a yoke he can hang on to and it protects his shoulders
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and the kid squatted and so one of the things i'm looking for is is somebody that walks in
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and says hey you know what i don't know what i'm doing um i've read up enough to know that you
00:28:59.900
know what you're doing and so i just want you to tell me what to do i'm not going to complain i'm
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going to do it and so you know i've had a lot of clients like that that that come in and they're
00:29:08.400
just their man they're joy to work with and then what what will happen over time is you develop a
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camaraderie i mean you spend a lot of time with your clients right so i i am really close friends
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with all my clients all of them um and so you know i've got that same 79 year old lady she's the
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organist at her church when she has a concert i go to her concerts right we've developed this
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friendship because we spend a lot of time together every week and so but i've also had clients that
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walk in and every single day when they walk in their first thing that they tell you is they
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complain about something or they call in every every other workout right and so consistency is huge i i
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had a lady that i had for several years it was a great great athlete i mean she she had no genetic
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skills as an athlete whatsoever but she never missed a workout and so a lot of times we talk about
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i talk about blue collar days in the gym and so those blue collar days are days that you absolutely
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do not feel like training you don't want to train you don't want to go in but you go in you take your
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time card you take your punch card you time you clock in you get your work done you clock out and
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you leave those are the days that make you better right so everybody has the days where they go in
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everything feels great and everything feels light and they're hitting prs everybody has those days
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those don't make good lifters great lifters people who make incredible changes to their body are the
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ones who will never ever miss now there's caveats all right you wake up and you're running 102 degree
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fever you shouldn't go to the gym but outside of that like you know you got the sniffles your stomach's
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kind of hurting or you're just achy or sore walk in the gym punch in your time card punch out get
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your work and that makes a great client so matt one thing i've encountered with barbell training is
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that at a certain point when i started getting really heavy with the weights uh injuries start
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not really injuries just weird pains happen um and we just published a post of yours about bicep
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tendonitis it's something that i've struggled with with the the low bar squat i'm curious besides the
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some of the stuff that we've we talked about on the website do you emphasize like prehab or like rehab
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uh in in your your programming that you do with your athletes sure we do although i'll say this that
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the best prehab is just correct barbell movement right so if you do a press correctly an overhead
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press what some people call a military press what we call the press if you do it correctly you will
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not hurt your shoulders so if we are having shoulder issues while pressing there is a problem right and
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at that point yes we have to rehab sometimes and we will do prehab there are things that i do that i
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just sometimes they just make me feel better right so there there's a lift called a face pull where you
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take a high cable like a tricep rope and and you pull you you stand away from it and you pull the
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bar back towards your temples and it's just a really good it opens up your shoulders and makes it feel
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good on your rear delts do i know if that helps my shoulders any for my press i don't know but it
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makes it feel better right so a lot of times prehab what we call prehab which is you're not really
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hurt but you're trying to keep yourself not hurt is a lot of times i think more mental rehab becomes more
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of an issue of how to deal with soft tissue and we deal with that all the time too so we see
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bicep tendonitis all the time you see muscle strains all the time hamstring muscle strains
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bicep muscle strains pec muscle strains i tore my pec uh september two years ago now so just just
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over two years ago and we have methods to fix all that stuff right so um for us we have found that
00:32:15.880
an aggressive being aggressive with the injury will often help it a lot more than letting it sit
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around if you've got and if you just think logically if you have a muscle strain which is really kind of
00:32:26.000
a small muscle tear um and you do nothing right so if you call your doctor physical therapist
00:32:31.880
whatever they say oh don't ice it don't do anything for two weeks and then come in and we're going to
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start doing some isolation movements what happens in those two weeks when you're icing it is it's
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just going to scar just gonna scar up right it would be much better if i could actually safely move
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it through a full range of motion and pump a bunch of blood into that muscle because that blood
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brings nutrients in it and it fixes it right so um you're exactly right in strength training um it has
00:32:55.320
a very low injury rate like surprisingly low injury especially compared to other sports when you look
00:32:59.600
at it compared to say soccer soccer is super dangerous right but there is a there's a pendulum
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swing here and i have to have this conversation with my clients sometime when they hire me they are
00:33:09.560
almost always very very weak and unhealthy and so then we spend let's say six months seven months eight
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months together and they get pretty strong and healthy and then they have to make a decision
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when they get pretty strong and healthy do they want to stay pretty strong and maintain their
00:33:25.080
healthiness or at that point have they been bitten by the competitive bug and do they want to get
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competitive and do they want to do power lifting or strongman or olympic weight lifting or or whatever
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that is and at the point they decide to be competitive we're going to start swinging the pendulum
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away from healthy again and back to a little bit unhealthy like nobody would argue that playing in the nfl is
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healthy it's not right but rarely does somebody say oh you shouldn't play with the nfl because i mean
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you know maybe we're getting that way with head injuries but but it's it's so that's a decision
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you have to make the reality is as you're as you're moving from very very weak to generally strong the
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chances of you being injured are very very low once you've been generally strong and now you're getting
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to an advanced level of strength like where you can compete and do well at at competitions then you
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absolutely start running the risk of of injuries and so outside of that we're looking at just really basic
00:34:11.740
so yeah we'll we use lacrosse balls and we use foam rollers and we definitely use massage i'll tell
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you this massage is significantly better than than lacrosse balls or foam rollers i mean significantly
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better because you get that lateral shear from their hands so you can't when you when you roll on a foam
00:34:26.260
roller it just smashes you you're just smashed but when you have somebody's hand that can move
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laterally or like across the surface of your skin that's really what you're looking to do because we
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need to bust up that scar tissue and adhesions and places where the skin and the tendons and the fascia are
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sticking to muscle where it shouldn't be stuck to and so we want to be able to to really kind of
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rip that away so it's almost like combing out the like like a female's tangled hair so she had tangled
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hair and her hair was all tangled you're trying to comb it out it takes a little bit of pain and
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some lateral shear you can't just mash on it and have all the tangles go away and so yeah we see that
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stuff all the time and it's just bicep tendonitis is a big deal most of the population by the time
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they're 40 years old have some form of a herniated disc in their back that's a scary word for most people
00:35:08.060
they think like oh i have a herniated disc i can't do anything there are four clear grades of
00:35:11.940
herniation grade one is not a big deal grade two is really not that big of a deal grade three is kind
00:35:15.760
of nasty and grade four means you're going to have surgery on it right but most people have a grade
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one or grade two herniation and we can work through that and get through sciatic nerve pain so so uh another
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aspect of strength training that i'm encountering i think we're going to talk a little about this today
00:35:29.480
during our workout because you sort of mentioned it is the psychological aspect of training because
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there's a certain point when you get heavy right and you you squat down with that bar and you're
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like i don't know if i can get this up or when you're in the middle of a bench right and you're
00:35:43.820
like you have that one rep uh that's it's really hard to grind to get out but you have like two more
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to go um is that at that point is this the strength training becomes more psychological than physiological
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yeah definitely probably the if there were a fourth thing that i was going to tell you would be
00:36:01.660
make us successful at strong is that we teach people how to strain you have to learn how to
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strain and straining is uncomfortable right like if you if you do a super heavy deadlift you're picking
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up something really heavy off the floor the most you've ever picked up off the floor is 100 pounds
00:36:15.200
or 200 pounds and now you're deadlifting 300 pounds that feels incredibly heavy and your mind is
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you're saying put it down put it down put it down right and so you have to learn how to strain
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through that so the best lifters i've ever seen in my entire and i've lifted with some of the
00:36:30.660
absolute best power lifters historically the best power lifters guys like kurt karwoski he was never
00:36:36.040
scared of anything he got underneath it was unbelievable the guy could throw a thousand
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and three on his back a thousand three on his back and squat it for a double that something is crazy
00:36:45.340
about that guy i mean that's not normal right so but teaching people like it's going to be okay like
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we have spent months and months and months and months making perfect form what's the worst that could
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happen the worst that happened is it's not going to go up you're not going to hurt yourself
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because we've taught you that the motor pattern in your brain and the motor pattern established in
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your body is that the form is going to be perfect whether it's the empty bar or whether it's your
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max weight and so you just decide like this is a confidence lift there's all the time of something
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like a press a heavy press i yell a word this i work yell the word confidence all the time to my
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to my clients when i feel like they need a boost yeah tell them like look i know you can get this
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and they get underneath the bar and go confidence i yell confidence and you can kind of see them
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like yeah i got this i got this that's a big piece of it and so how you take the bar out of
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the rack how you're feeling going into that's why people listen to the music they listen to
00:37:34.320
in in while they're working out because they're trying to get stuff that pumps them up and kind
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of gives them confidence you want a little bit of that adrenaline rush for those heavy sets so that
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yeah it's it's so much mental so much of that is mental all right so matt uh we're coming to an
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end here i'm curious where can people learn more about your work and can you tell us a little
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bit about the the online coaching because i think a lot of people they hear like how can a guy
00:37:56.060
coach me online can you tell us a little bit about what goes on with the online coaching sure
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yeah so uh first you can find me at reynolds strong i think i'm reynolds strong on almost
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everything social media so reynolds strong on twitter reynolds strong on instagram i'm probably most
00:38:09.460
active on instagram facebook reynolds strong and reynolds strong.com uh email is reynolds strong
00:38:14.380
at gmail.com and then and then yeah i do online coaching so here's what online coaching is
00:38:18.080
uh i send you if you're interested in coaching send me an email you're not you know just you're
00:38:23.640
not signed up to start we're not going to guarantee we're going to take money from you send me an email
00:38:27.380
hey i'm interested in online coaching i'll send you a questionnaire the questionnaire is pretty in
00:38:30.820
depth it's going to ask about all your kind of background here how have you trained you have
00:38:33.560
injuries uh what have you done over the last several weeks what's you know what do you what's
00:38:37.720
your diet look like it's kind of all that kind of stuff it'll take you a little bit of time to fill
00:38:41.020
that out measurements height weight uh waist measurement chest measurement hips measurement
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and then uh and then basically i sit down and work and it takes me quite a bit of time there's a lot
00:38:48.500
of front end work so i sit down and i really lay out a program that will work now again it's not
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necessarily complicated a lot of times for if it's an absolute beginner it's going to look a lot
00:38:56.500
like starting strength and so what am i paying for if i can just get starting strength well what
00:39:01.220
you're paying for is that the your last set of every heavy of every barbell work you videotape
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on your phone i mean we all have hd cameras on our phone now so you videotape your last set
00:39:10.360
and at the end of the day you you text me or email me your sets and then i'm able to break down those
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sets and i really just break down the form of the set okay i see here's what's going on um first three
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reps on your squat were great i noticed on four and five the bar slid forward of the midfoot a little
00:39:24.600
bit so that's why it looked harder because it didn't stay over the middle of your foot uh deadlift
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your low back got rounded a little bit it's really important to get tight there um you got a belt that
00:39:33.040
doesn't look great make sure you get a better belt right whatever so um so we can start to tweak
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those things and so then each time is and then there are times when if i've got clients who are
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who have a big day coming up and i know they've got a big day coming up they've got to hit heavy
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weights um they have my phone number and so they can text me and and in the middle of the workout
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a lot of times i'll say okay here's my last set before the heaviest set can you break and so yeah
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tweak this let's tweak this and then i text them right back real time and so look is it optimal
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compared to uh hiring me or hiring a good coach to to work with you one-on-one in real time and yelling
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at you during the set no it's not as good but but here's the deal most of us are between 100 and
00:40:08.680
200 an hour to to have us train you face to face and and online training is going to be closer to
00:40:14.960
that 100 a month for that and so um or somewhere in that ballpark right so um it's a lot cheaper
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and so you know if you live in a town that has a starting strength coach and you can go to
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startingstrength.org or startingstrength.com and find starting strength starting strength coaches
00:40:31.460
uh look them up in your town then you should hire a starting strength coach there are no
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bad starting strength coaches and there aren't very many of us i mean there's just a few
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i think there's 110 or so uh but if there's not in most cities there aren't then there's some great
00:40:44.300
options there for online coaching so i'm i'm one of them that does it but there are other guys that
00:40:47.780
are good too well yeah like i said i'm doing the coaching with you right now i'll be um posting my
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progress on instagram so you guys can follow along with that well matt reynolds uh thank you so much
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for your time it's been a pleasure thanks man thanks for having me i guess it was matt reynolds
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he's the co-owner of the gym strong gym based in springfield missouri if you live in the area go
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check it out you won't regret it it's awesome you can also find out more information about the gym
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at stronggym.co and uh make sure to check out his personal website reynoldsstrong.com lots of great
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content there as well you can find out more information about matt's online coaching program and as someone
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who's doing it right now who's seen significant progress i can't recommend enough so go check it out
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well that wraps up another edition of the art of manliness podcast for more manly tips and advice
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